MSNBC’s First Read blog asks: “Would Dick Cheney have spoken out as aggressively — or at all — on defending the Bush administration’s interrogation tactics (if) John McCain had won in November? Remember that McCain, a torture victim, spoke out against waterboarding and torture, and likely would have discontinued their practices as president.”
Meanwhile, many Republicans are concerned about — and Democrats are pleased with — Cheney’s high-profile defense of torture, the Washington Post reported. “Given that Dick Cheney is as popular as Britney Spears at a Sunday-school teacher convention, we hope he continues to be the face of the Republican Party,” said Hari Sevugan of the Democratic National Committee.
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Cheney is responding to the ‘chosen one’s’ and his administration’s relentless and unprecidented attacks on the Bush administration.
So, in answer to the question, no.
Cheney has the dems running scared. Their whole purpose in bringing up the so called ‘torture’ crap they are merely still campaigning.
It’s turning on the dems and they are running for cover.
Who would ever know? Who would even care?
What’s the point to this thread?
Simple, AmWay,
Stretch Pelosi continues with her never ending, embarrasing parade of lies about what she knew and when she knew it and all Rhonda and the rest of the libs have to counter her lies is ‘beat up on Cheney’.
They’ve picked the wrong man. Cheney is turning the public opinion against them. Truth doesn’t need a majority.
After the election, Dick’s hate mail probably fell way off. He feeds on how much people hate him like a vampire feeds on blood. SO he is out there now self reaffirming. IF he is hated, he is still alive.
“HLP” claims –
“Cheney has the dems running scared.”
What? Have you started drinking early this morning?
Democrats are thrilled (The Big) Dick Cheney is the voice of the “new,” “rebranded” Republic Party.
Thanks for the first laugh of the day, HLP!
Cheney would have taken McCain hunting.
Saw on the cable news ‘Powell aide says torture used to build case for the war’.
Now there’s an accusation that cheney should get out in front of.
Why is this being avoided editors?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22550.html
Here we go again. Who knows? Why even guess?
Guesses are like a holes. We all have them and they all stink.
How is Pat Roberts being left out of the question of who knew what, when?
Because Pat Roberts isn’t a hypocrite (at least on this issue) far as I can tell.
The only way to get the truth from Cheney is to waterboard him.
Only because Roberts has been flying under the radar.
I don’t understand the Roberts reference.
Is it that he was also briefed at the same time as Pelosi but is keeping his mouth shut as to what was in them?
That’s simple – he’s giving her enough rope to hang herself.
Mr_Kia
Posted May 15, 2009 at 9:13 am | Permalink
I don’t understand the Roberts reference.
Is it that he was also briefed at the same time as Pelosi but is keeping his mouth shut as to what was in them?
That’s simple – he’s giving her enough rope to hang herself.
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Then why not do as she has suggested? Declassify the memos and let the chips fall where they may.
Or are you not man enough to do that?
Pat Roberts is up to his bald head with the Bush Administration. Remember, it was Pat who was holding up that 9/11 report for how long??? Was that thing ever released?
No, Pat was a dutiful lockstep soldier.
Dick Cheney told Bob Schieffer on Sunday that he has told Congress he is willing to come testify but when asked if he would testify under oath – he said no.
What use is testifying if the man is only going to lie?
Maybe if we told Dick he would be paid what his beloved Halliburton has gotten in all those no-contract bids for Iraq War personally – then he might, just might, testify under oath.
After all, the only thing that seems to touch this man’s cold heart is money – it certainly isn’t any loyalty to America.
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totoinks
Posted May 15, 2009 at 10:23 am | Permalink
Dick Cheney told Bob Schieffer on Sunday that he has told Congress he is willing to come testify but when asked if he would testify under oath – he said no.
What use is testifying if the man is only going to lie?
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He refused to meet with the 9-11 Commission if the condition was the he be placed under oath.
That would make for a fun transcript –
BAILIFF — Do you solemnly swear the testimony you give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
CHENEY — Go fuc# yourself!
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totoinks
Posted May 15, 2009 at 10:23 am | Permalink
Dick Cheney told Bob Schieffer on Sunday that he has told Congress he is willing to come testify but when asked if he would testify under oath – he said no.
What use is testifying if the man is only going to lie?
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Asking a former vice president to testify under oath is insulting at best. A cheap political stunt at it’s worst.
Cheney didn’t say ‘no’ to testifying under oath to Schieffer’s question, he said he’d have to see what kind of precedent it would establish.
The democrats are playing politics with national security. Cheney can get his message out in a variety of ways without playing the democrat games.
He’s got them running scared.
If McCain had reverse the Bush doctrine on torture, detainment and the world view.
Yes Cheney would have attack him, its not about Republican/Democrat or the country for that matter. It’s about the Ideology and the view of it, no matter how badly its has worked out. They were right and everyone else are just to dumb to see the big picture.
This topic is making the same mistake that quite a few makes. Thinking its about partisanship. It being blinded by the partisanship to facts and realities. Shame of Ronda for falling for this blindness.
Dick thinks why testify if you can’t lie. This is the same guy that told America what a threat Saddam working with Al-Quida was.
Dick’s the same guy that said the resistance was in their last throes.
Cheney is making a huge fool of himself. Hank Price joins him today.
“HLP” blithers –
“Asking a former vice president to testify under oath is insulting at best. A cheap political stunt at it’s worst….”
So, one must assume, questioning former Vice-President Gore about his personal financial interest in dealing with climate change is “insulting?” Or a “cheap political stunt?”
Good morning, Mr. Davis
Congrats for getting off (or on) your meds ling enough to make a post!
Why not work on one lith a little substance next time?
ling = long
So, one must assume, questioning former Vice-President Gore about his personal financial interest in dealing with climate change is “insulting?” Or a “cheap political stunt?”
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It’s the ‘under oath’ part that’s the issue.
focus
nitwit
Besides, no need to question Algore, his personal financial interest is a matter of public record.
But, thanks for playing.
nitwit
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HLP
Posted May 15, 2009 at 11:18 am | Permalink
So, one must assume, questioning former Vice-President Gore about his personal financial interest in dealing with climate change is “insulting?” Or a “cheap political stunt?”
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It’s the ‘under oath’ part that’s the issue.
focus
nitwit
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What about a sitting President? Should a sitting President be compelled to testify under oath or would that be a cheap political stunt?
“HLP” –
So was it “insulting” or a “cheap political stunt” to ask President Clinton to testify under oath in the Paula Jones case”
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HLP
Posted May 15, 2009 at 6:49 am | Permalink
Cheney is responding to the ‘chosen one’s’ and his administration’s relentless and unprecidented attacks on the Bush administration.
So, in answer to the question, no.
Cheney has the dems running scared. Their whole purpose in bringing up the so called ‘torture’ crap they are merely still campaigning.
It’s turning on the dems and they are running for cover.
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HLP
Posted May 15, 2009 at 7:00 am | Permalink
Simple, AmWay,
Stretch Pelosi continues with her never ending, embarrasing parade of lies about what she knew and when she knew it and all Rhonda and the rest of the libs have to counter her lies is ‘beat up on Cheney’.
They’ve picked the wrong man. Cheney is turning the public opinion against them. Truth doesn’t need a majority.
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Your correct truth doesn’t need a majority, but it does help if the so-called truth you spew has anything grounded in actual truth.
Cheney is a five times deferred chicken hawk who attacked a real American Hero in General Powell in favor of a thrice divorced, also deferred, drug addicted chicken hawk. Cheney didn’t have the huevos to put on the uniform of an American serviceman, but thinks he has the right slam those same men and women.
Jesse Ventura, a Navy Seal, said this about waterboarding and Cheney,
““It’s drowning,” Ventura responded. “It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you — I’ll put it to you this way, you give me a water board, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I’ll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.””
Cheney backed waterboarding not to protect this country, but to find some fairytale link between Sadaam and OBL in order to justify a war on Iraq. Cheney is part of the problem, not a solution. And telling the truth about that pos is hardly beating up on him.
As for Polosi, even the CIA admits it can’t recall what was said at the meetings, nor give a concrete list of who was even at them.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called Thursday for the release of notes from a CIA briefing in 2002. Pelosi, a California Democrat, said that the agency is lying when it says that she was briefed on the ongoing use of waterboarding and that, rather, she was only told that the administration had determined that they could use the technique in the future.
The notes, she said, would show that she is telling the truth. “I would be very happy if they would release the briefings,” she said.
That hardly sounds like someone lying to me. You accuse the Liberals of lying all the time, but you have no problem taking beltway and or blog spin and hurl it as truth with little or no backing whatsoever.
Us Democrats aren’t running for cover, we’re standing and fighting the lies and just plain bs you so-called Christians are tossing around like they’re some kind of truths. And that must scare the h-e-l-l out of you. I have a feeling if the CIA does release those notes and the truth comes out, the essence of the Republican plan to divert attention from itself on waterboarding, and paste Democrats as the evil ones, will come crashing down like a house of cards.
Come on Walker,
. . .’so-called Christians’?
Are you really that small of a man?
Oh, by the way, where’s the love for Obama after he got the leaders of Pakistan and Afghanistan together, and the Pakistan leader then decided to tear up all treaties with the Taliban and has attacked them with a vengeance? That must really scare the h-e-l-l out of you all that diplomacy, something Bush can’t even pronounce, actually works.
HLP
Posted May 15, 2009 at 11:28 am | Permalink
Come on Walker,
. . .’so-called Christians’?
Are you really that small of a man?
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Yes he is.
Oh, and by the way, Jesse the wrestler ws never a ’seal’.
And Pelosi has the notes. If she wanted them released we’d have ‘em.
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HLP
Posted May 15, 2009 at 11:28 am | Permalink
Come on Walker,
. . .’so-called Christians’?
Are you really that small of a man?
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I think it’s the other way around, Hank. When you spread innuendo and gossip, it goes against the grain of what a Christian is. Apparently, many of you have become so ingrained in Liberal bashing, the actual truth becomes something you are afraid of. A Christian would never be afraid of the truth.
Who cares, Pelosi’s got man-hands, so they should just quit showing her flailing them around as if somehow that makes anything she says matter. She’d do herself a favor to pull a Bush and go to radio silence mode. Steny Hoyer wants her job and her bestus buddy Reid has Obama’s boy Durbin waiting in the wings for him to expend some political capital defending her.
I am so pleased with cheney’s media tour.
A small number of people support him and his wacky ideas. They pull from more mainstream Republican voters (those who think fiscal responsibility should still mean as much to the GOP as ’social’ issues and military dominance of the world). Republicans already had too few votes to win at the national level. When they’re splintered it makes too few votes, even fewer. ;-)
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HLP
Posted May 15, 2009 at 11:30 am | Permalink
Oh, and by the way, Jesse the wrestler ws never a ’seal’.
And Pelosi has the notes. If she wanted them released we’d have ‘em.
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From September 11, 1969 to September 10, 1975, during the Vietnam War era, he served in the United States Navy. While on active duty, from January 5, 1970 to December 10, 1973, Ventura was part of Underwater Demolition Team 12. According to the United States Naval Special Warfare Command policy, Ventura is entitled to use the title “SEAL”, due to both his service in the UDT and SEAL teams, and his successful graduation from UDT-R (now BUD/S) training)
Does the truth hurt?
Some special operations forces go through water boarding, all have appeared to live and lead productive lives – including Jesse Ventura, former Governor.
And Polosi does not have the notes, or simply stated, prove she does. That’s proof, Hank, not gossip or innuendo.
“I was water boarded, so I know — at SERE School, Survival Escape Resistance Evasion,” the former wrestler who gained his first mainstream fame playing a role in the sci-fi actioner Predator told CNN’s Larry King. “It was a required school you had to go to prior to going into the combat zone, which in my era was Vietnam. All of us had to go there. We were all, in essence — every one of us was water boarded. It is torture.”
King asked, “What was it like?”
“It’s drowning,” Ventura responded. “It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you — I’ll put it to you this way, you give me a water board, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I’ll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.”
I think it’s the other way around, Hank. When you spread innuendo and gossip, it goes against the grain of what a Christian is.
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What an interesting comment, Walker.
Innuendo? I apologize for any statements that you might have taken as innuendo. I’ve tried to be clear and painfully blunt with my opinions.
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Apparently, many of you have become so ingrained in Liberal bashing, the actual truth becomes something you are afraid of.
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Really, have you an example of any ‘truth’ you feel I’m afraid of or are you merely using any excuse for ‘Christian bashing’?
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A Christian would never be afraid of the truth.
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Liberals aren’t afraid of the truth, they refuse to recognize it.
Put up or shut up, small man.
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JMWalker
Posted May 15, 2009 at 11:36 am | Permalink
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HLP
Posted May 15, 2009 at 11:30 am | Permalink
Oh, and by the way, Jesse the wrestler ws never a ’seal’.
And Pelosi has the notes. If she wanted them released we’d have ‘em.
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From September 11, 1969 to September 10, 1975, during the Vietnam War era, he served in the United States Navy. While on active duty, from January 5, 1970 to December 10, 1973, Ventura was part of Underwater Demolition Team 12. According to the United States Naval Special Warfare Command policy, Ventura is entitled to use the title “SEAL”, due to both his service in the UDT and SEAL teams, and his successful graduation from UDT-R (now BUD/S) training)
Does the truth hurt?
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UDT’s are not SEAL’s.
Pelosio knew full well what was going on. Her dog and pony show to get Bush is going to backfire on her.
Now she OWES it to the American people to prove to us the CIA is lying to our Congress.
The most powerful woman in America needs to back up her word.
If the CIA lied: It needs a full and public investigation. With all the facts revealed.
“HappyHeathen
Posted May 15, 2009 at 9:02 am | Permalink
The only way to get the truth from Cheney is to waterboard him.”
LMAO!
There would be no shortage of volunteers.
UDT’s are not SEAL’s.
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According to the United States Naval Special Warfare Command policy, Ventura is entitled to use the title “SEAL”, due to both his service in the UDT and SEAL teams, and his successful graduation from UDT-R (now BUD/S) training)
Seems plain enough to me.
“American_Way
Posted May 15, 2009 at 12:03 pm | Permalink
…If the CIA lied: It needs a full and public investigation. With all the facts revealed.”
But if Bush and Cheney lied it shouldn’t be investigated, eh?
What an interesting comment, Walker.
Innuendo? I apologize for any statements that you might have taken as innuendo. I’ve tried to be clear and painfully blunt with my opinions.
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Being blunt hardly equates as truth. Opinion is just that. How about you come out with actual proof about Polosi, instead of lies and gossip? Apparently, even the CIA is unable to do so, which makes your “Opinion” suspect.
“Regular
Posted May 15, 2009 at 11:37 am | Permalink
Some special operations forces go through water boarding, all have appeared to live and lead productive lives – including Jesse Ventura, former Governor.”
What is your point with this?
Some kids get badly abused then grow up to live and lead productive lives. Does that mean abusing kids is OK to you?
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JMWalker
Posted May 15, 2009 at 12:10 pm | Permalink
UDT’s are not SEAL’s.
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According to the United States Naval Special Warfare Command policy, Ventura is entitled to use the title “SEAL”, due to both his service in the UDT and SEAL teams, and his successful graduation from UDT-R (now BUD/S) training)
Seems plain enough to me.
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No, he is not entitled.
Ventura never served the six months under direct armed, combat conditions nor did he receive combat and control training in special operations warfare tactics. Nor did Ventura ever receive certification as a SEAL, only in UDT.
Pararescue members of the Air Force take Army Airborne training, but they are not Army Airborne – their mission is entirely different.
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brian_nuevo
Posted May 15, 2009 at 12:13 pm | Permalink
“Regular
Posted May 15, 2009 at 11:37 am | Permalink
Some special operations forces go through water boarding, all have appeared to live and lead productive lives – including Jesse Ventura, former Governor.”
What is your point with this?
Some kids get badly abused then grow up to live and lead productive lives. Does that mean abusing kids is OK to you?
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The point is that we can water board people who go through special operations training and it’s not called torture.
Liberals aren’t afraid of the truth, they refuse to recognize it.
Put up or shut up, small man.
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Calling me a “small man” hardly qualifies your posts. It’s a shame you cons have to attempt diversions, as in Polosi, instead of facing your basic problems: this country was screwed over by the last administration, and you still fail to see that. The majority seem to agree. Small man? Look at the mess Bush left, then take a look in the mirror; you’ll see a reflection of what constitutes small.
“Regular” –
Perhaps you should take the issue up personally with Mr. Ventura.
(Can I sell tickets?)
“JMWalker
Posted May 15, 2009 at 12:18 pm | Permalink
Liberals aren’t afraid of the truth, they refuse to recognize it.
Put up or shut up, small man.
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Calling me a “small man” hardly qualifies your posts”
Name calling, ad hominem attacks, and other puerile behavior is the resort of those who cannot argue on substance or fact.
Regular, you seem to be unable to assimilate facts. If the Navy says Ventura is entitled to be called a Seal, how is it that apparently you have dominion over them. Seems we have a conundrum here. Or is it the fact cons are unable to accept facts.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted May 15, 2009 at 12:20 pm | Permalink
“Regular” –
Perhaps you should take the issue up personally with Mr. Ventura.
(Can I sell tickets?)
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Sure, I’ll call him a liar to his face. Nothing he can do about it, because he’s knows that he’s lying.
Ventura was attached to a demolition team. He was never in an operational SEAL unit that was involved in direct combat. Direct combat and the associated training is a mandatory requirement to carry the title SEAL.
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JMWalker
Posted May 15, 2009 at 12:22 pm | Permalink
Regular, you seem to be unable to assimilate facts. If the Navy says Ventura is entitled to be called a Seal, how is it that apparently you have dominion over them. Seems we have a conundrum here. Or is it the fact cons are unable to accept facts.
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Show me the statement where an official Navy release allows Ventura to call himself a SEAL.
I’ll wait.
who effin cares?
“Calling me a “small man” hardly qualifies your posts””
JMWALKER, are you short?
Not name calling. Just looking for a possible explanation.
Really, have you an example of any ‘truth’ you feel I’m afraid of or are you merely using any excuse for ‘Christian bashing’?
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One of the major tenements of this country is a person is innocent until PROVEN guilty. Apparently the republican side of the aisle has conveniently forgotten that. If Polosi knew about waterboarding, it will come out at some time as fact. It hasn’t done so yet. Nor has it come out as fact she was misled. But according to you “stretch Polosi” is guilty and should be run out of town on a rail.
Through this whole election cycle, gossip and innuendo has been the cons calling card. Facts be dam-ned. While both sides of the aisle are guilty of it, the cons have taken it to new heights, using any means at their disposal to put gossip before truth in order to affect voters. Just how does that and Christianity measure up standing side by side?
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Regular
Posted May 15, 2009 at 12:24 pm | Permalink
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JMWalker
Posted May 15, 2009 at 12:22 pm | Permalink
Show me the statement where an official Navy release allows Ventura to call himself a SEAL.
I’ll wait.
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I already did. End of discussion.
Horizontally challenged?
I wish Christianity/religion would be dropped by both sides as part of the public debate.
Looks like Walker is admitting to being an infidel.
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JMWalker
Posted May 15, 2009 at 12:37 pm | Permalink
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Regular
Posted May 15, 2009 at 12:24 pm | Permalink
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JMWalker
Posted May 15, 2009 at 12:22 pm | Permalink
Show me the statement where an official Navy release allows Ventura to call himself a SEAL.
I’ll wait.
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I already did. End of discussion.
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No you didn’t.
You took a reference from Wikipedia. If you will note right after the quote you copy and pasted it says (citation needed).
In other words, you have nothing, but unsubstantiated hogwash.
“JMWALKER, are you short?”
He is not.
He stands head and shoulders over “HLP”.
Amway that would be my hope also.
JM maybe Pelosi is a pure as the driven snow. I really don’t know. She has accused the CIA of lying to congress. This is a federal offense. To me this means we are going to have to have hearings to get to the bottom of what did happen.
I think what rankles me most about this whole ‘prove Pelosi’ lied thing is that if she were repub the hearings would be going on already.
We see Rangle, Murtha, Feinstein, and other high profile dems clearly doing questionable things that border on the illegal and nothing is happening.
Sorry if the repubs appear to be a little touchy here. Cheney is doing what someone had to do. The Obama administration has put our fine military in danger with the release of the first documents. Thankfully someone with good sense or more politically savy got to him before the second release. I applaud him for his failure to bow to the ACLU on this.
We now see him backing down on his promise to shut GITMO and move the prisoners to the US. Another good move. Inexperience in the beginning led to many bad decisions. He appears to be moving in the right direction although not there now yet.
As for the topic of this thread, McCain has said those first releases should never have happened. That would make this topic non-existent. He actually served in the military and knows the dangers they face.
“okobserver
Posted May 15, 2009 at 12:48 pm | Permalink
…The Obama administration has put our fine military in danger with the release of the first documents”
exactly how is that?
Then why not do as she has suggested? Declassify the memos and let the chips fall where they may.
Or are you not man enough to do that?
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Sorry I don’t have that power myself.
And if I’m correct it is your team in power now with the opportunity to do so. Which should be done. And picking and choosing as has been done so far is BS.
“Regular” struts –
“Sure, I’ll call him a liar to his face. Nothing he can do about it….”
LETTT’S get ready to HUMBLLLLLE!!!!!
Okay, Wichita!
We finally have an even worthy of the new arena!
I guarantee I can sell out the house when “Jesse (the Body) Ventura) takes on “Regular” (the Basement Troll) McClure in a winner-take-all, Texas-Death-Match Rules fight for credibility!!!
SEE!
“Regular” defeat Ventura’s “Inverted Bear Hug” with his explanation how he built a few Heathkits back in the day!
GASP!!
As “Regular” neutralizes Ventura’s “Body Breaker” by calling him names!!
THRILL!!!
As “Regular” is declared the winner on a technicality since Ventura’s signature “Overhead Gutwrench Backbreaker Rack” move is ruled redundant against such a pathetic human specimen as “Regular!!!”
MOURN!!!!
The loss of “Regular” as a pathetic example of CON-thought on WE Blog!!!!
(I could probably pack the arena the next day for your funeral, “Regular.”)
Cute MonkeyHock, but that’s not how real life works.
Hank actually blusters: “Cheney is responding to the ‘chosen one’s’ and his administration’s relentless and unprecidented attacks on the Bush administration.
“So, in answer to the question, no.
“Cheney has the dems running scared. Their whole purpose in bringing up the so called ‘torture’ crap they are merely still campaigning.”
And then…
“Stretch Pelosi continues with her never ending, embarrasing parade of lies about what she knew and when she knew it and all Rhonda and the rest of the libs have to counter her lies is ‘beat up on Cheney’.
“They’ve picked the wrong man. Cheney is turning the public opinion against them. Truth doesn’t need a majority.”
Truly, I am ROTFLMAO. Saying that Dick Cheney, of all people, has the Democrats running scared is truly one of the silliest things I have ever seen posted on this board. Part of it, of course, is the identity of the source. If the flaming troll had said it, I would have chuckled and moved on. I know you are a flat out raging conservative, Hank, but surely, surely you know better than this.
The idea that Cheney, Dick Cheney(!!!!), is turning public opinion against anyone but himself is deluded. Pelosi’s problems are due primarily to Nancy Pelosi and her response to Republicans desperate to attack the Democrats in Congress because their attacks on the president are not going so well. But even then the best that they can hope for is to make Pelosi’s positives a mere 20-30 times that of Dick Cheney by brushing her with the slime that has buried our former Vice President. And in fact, I suspect that Cheney knows this. He is not trying to rescue his reputation, he is trying to drag down some of his enemies with him, because that’s the best he can hope for.
And far from having the Democrats running scared, they truely LOVE having Cheney out there defending torture, because as long as he is doing so, the lowest they can drag Pelosi down on this is (”Well, she knew more than she is saying and now she is trying to cover it up.”), but then the public will always have Dick Cheney there to provide contrast. Dick Cheney, who not only cheerleads the use of torture but also comes across as a complete assh*le while doing it. If Pelosi is politically harmed by this, it will be because of her apparent hypocrisy, and then another Democrat such as her successor as the ranking member of the Intelligence Committee will benefit. The LAST person to benefit from this would be Dick Cheney. That’s reality.
And by the way, when someone dismisses Rhonda Holman as a liberal, he simply identifies himself as person whose own perspective is so far to the right that his perceptions are hopelessly distorted.
brian_nuevo
Posted May 15, 2009 at 12:51 pm | Permalink
“okobserver
Posted May 15, 2009 at 12:48 pm | Permalink
…The Obama administration has put our fine military in danger with the release of the first documents”
exactly how is that?
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Brian my proof is in the fact that yesterday Obama acknowledged that releasing the pictures he was going to release would put our military in jeopardy.
Those first memos are perfect recruitment tools for the terrorists or ‘man made disaster perpetrators’ to be more pc.
Even the libs have admitted as much. What they didn’t realize or they probably wouldn’t have started this entire episode was that the dems would come out looking complicite. That is where we are now.
“Regular” thinks professional wrestling isn’t “real.”
Pro Wrestling is like Tai chi chuan, in that it is appearance theater, but not very effective in combat martial arts.
Cheney has seen just as much combat as Jesse (the body) Ventura.
Cheney has also given a greater percentage of his income to charity than any other democrat you can mention.
Cheney never lied to get a deferment from the military, unlike slick ( you oughta put some ice on that ) willlie.
Cheney has the girly boy dems running scared.
hehehehe
“Cute MonkeyHock, but that’s not how real life works.”
I thought you were going to call him cute, but that you already have a dog.
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HLP
Posted May 15, 2009 at 1:20 pm | Permalink
Cheney has seen just as much combat as Jesse (the body) Ventura.
Cheney has also given a greater percentage of his income to charity than any other democrat you can mention.
Cheney never lied to get a deferment from the military, unlike slick ( you oughta put some ice on that ) willlie.
Cheney has the girly boy dems running scared.
hehehehe
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Oh, now it’s Clinton’s fault. You are getting smaller and smaller, Hank, when you drag out that kind of bs. Cheney’s a chicken hawk who attacked a well respected, at least until Bush and Cheney threw him under the bus, true American hero. A man who served his country honorably as a General. Cheney is a little-respected man who used the intelligence departments as an excuse to invade a sovereign country.
It’s no wonder I rarely post here anymore: the fruitcakes have taken over.
I’m outta here. Continue on with your small, limbaugh controlled lives. I got better things to do.
Oh, now it’s Clinton’s fault.
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It’s your side that brought the admitted felon into the frey, not me.
Cheney has been in more combat zones than Clinton (Bill, not the Hilda Beast) or Ventura put together.
It must really be painful to see Pelosi twist in the wind of her own lies. Go ahead, take a few cheap shots and run away.
“Cheney has seen just as much combat as Jesse (the body) Ventura.
“Cheney has also given a greater percentage of his income to charity than any other democrat you can mention.
“Cheney never lied to get a deferment from the military, unlike slick ( you oughta put some ice on that ) willlie.
“Cheney has the girly boy dems running scared.
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This is pure and simple trolling.
Re: HLP
DNFTT (at least it wasn’t trolling by proxy though Ann Coulter)
A National Journal poll of top GOP political insiders and strategists finds that Republicans believe former Vice President Dick Cheney has hurt the party since leaving office.
Of 100 insiders polled, fully 57 percent believe Cheney has hurt the party, and only 33 percent believe he has helped. The poll also includes quotes from unnamed insiders.
“Anything that reminds the public of the Bush administration harms the party’s ability to turn the page. If he’d had any concern for his public image when he was in office, he wouldn’t have to worry as much about defending his reputation now.”
“There is nothing Dick Cheney can say or do to help the Republican Party today. The best thing he can do is disappear for the next 10 years.”
“Let’s face it: The guy doesn’t know anything about winning elections outside of Wyoming.”
“Not even a close call. With Cheney out there, Obama doesn’t even need to remind the American people about the mess that was the Bush years.”
“Cheney represents the grumpy intolerance that has come to characterize the GOP. Get off the stage!”
The poll also asked party insiders about which governors they see as “having the brightest political futures.” Twenty-two percent of Democrats picked Virginia Governor Tim Kaine, while 21 percent of Republicans chose Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal as having the brightest future.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/ip_20090516_8934.php
If Pelosi is found to be complicit she deserves to have her part laid out clearly so the voters can see it. This is serious stuff and those responsible should be held accountable — from all parts of the political spectrum!
I personally would rather move beyond the past, and work on our many current challenges while doing everything possible to lessen their affect on our future. But cheney is doing much of the keeping it alive, keeping it in the news. I guess I can understand why he doesn’t want our country to move forward and prove further the bushco incompetence.
The part of the cheney media tour that makes me happiest is that he keeps the bushco years front and center in the news coverage. Voters recently said they wanted no more of the bushco policies. And if there was a worst part of the train wreck that was the bushco years, wasn’t cheney that part?
Grumpy cheney in front of a microphone and a camera seems to speak to a few — too few to win elections. Turns off the many, and reminds them of those years that got us into two wars, sullied our worldwide reputation, while the deepest recession since the Great Depression started with more than a year of the bushco term left. Oh, and reminds us too that they have no ideas, they’re still living in the past.
Maybe someone already pointed it out, but as usual Jon Stewart nailed the stupidity of President Obama’s decision to not release the latest torture photos and added how stupid his decision is to not weigh in on ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ Go to The Daily Show site and watch “Moral Kombat.”
Sad when a comedy show gets to the important parts of issues, but our politicians and MSM can’t.
This is particularly bizarre –
Karl Rove claims Pelosi is “guilty of being an accessory to torture.” His word, “torture,” not mine.
And if the Speaker is, in fact, guilty, then Shrub/Cheney actually committed war crimes.
Pelosi’s alleged “crime” is she knew about the Bush/Dick war crimes and didn’t blow the whistle. A crime of omission, at best. (Sorta like the critical CIA briefing in which Pelosi says the term “waterboarding” was not mentioned; only the euphemistic “Enhanced Interrogation Techniques.”
Good luck with this, CONs.
Pelosi has renewed her call for a Truth Commission; let the chips fall where they may. She’s called the CONs’ bluff and they’re scrambling like cockroaches.
The only real difference is: cockroaches have a survival instinct. The Republic Party, not so much.
“You are getting smaller and smaller, Hank,”
You sound surprised.
I’m not.
Hank, and Rush Limbaugh and Dick Cheney, these ARE the faces of the Republican party. It’s a mistake to think that they can be worked with in any way. Whether it feels good or not, we have to learn to think of them as enemies.
Because that is what they are.
Has Cheney lost his mind!!! I’m sorry, but there is no form of acceptable torture. If you can’t get it out of your prisoner appropriately then half-way killing them is not going to be any more acceptable. To think people make this a Republican Vs. Democrat issue is ludicrous. Has everyone lost their minds?
Yes, they have.