Gov. Mark Parkinson wasted no time making a mark on an area of public policy of special interest to him, hammering out a deal with Sunflower Electric Power Corp. to allow a single 895-megawatt coal-fired plant near Holcomb if lawmakers pass a comprehensive package of renewable energy measures. Kansas will get the jobs and part of the power, and many fewer tons of carbon dioxide than under the two-plan proposal. Best of all, what had become an absurd political and lobbying fight appears to be over.
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My my, just look at all those co2 emissions they will be preventing. :D
“Parkinson said the settlement, reached about 9 p.m. Sunday, was an acknowledgment that the two sides had reached an impasse that neither could win.”
What total BS. Governor Sebelius had already won TWICE.
I wonder if maybe Parkinson didn’t get a little money under the table?
Impeach the rat.
“and many fewer tons of carbon dioxide than under the two-plan proposal”
O.K., like only one deadly plant instead of two is a good thing?
Seasonal winds will blow the pollutants right over Bluejay’s house.
Instead of star dust for Obama, Bluejay will be sucking coal dust from Holcomb.
I hope Parkinson was not planning on running for re-election.
THAT’S over.It took him one week to commit political suicide.
Parkinson is a sell out. Why the compromise for 6.6 million tons when the Republicans were claiming it was going to be a clean coal facility? On one hand we have the Republicans lying about pollution and we have Parkinson lying about being a Democrat.
Guess who will be policing the emissions? Probably Holcomb and they’ll get a yawn from the government when they pollute too much.
(points and laughs)
Still, not too bad overall.
WE picked up a United States Senator.
I guess we can trade the Governor of a state that doesn’t matter anyway.
Posted on the open thread before this one came up but more appropriate here now.
Governor, Sunflower agree on one coal plant near Holcomb
Hallelujah, finally some reason and not just political posturing like we’ve had out of the Governor’s office for too long in fact her entire career.
Oh, and comatose cosmos, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!
And you BlowJb, go eat a chunk of coal, ha.
“WE” you got a mouse in your pocket BlueJay? You didn’t pick up anything except maybe your block of free cheese at the assistance center.
“WE” Bluejay? Do you feel empowered now that Obama is in the white house? Do you wear an Obama badge down at the salvation army store and now you get the added benefit of choice between paper and plastic?
“Sulfates, which come primarily from the burning of coal and oil, scatter incoming solar radiation and have a net cooling effect on climate. Over the past three decades, the United States and European countries have passed a series of laws that have reduced sulfate emissions by 50 percent. While improving air quality and aiding public health, the result has been less atmospheric cooling from sulfates.
At the same time, black carbon emissions have steadily risen, largely because of increasing emissions from Asia. Black carbon — small, soot-like particles produced by industrial processes and the combustion of diesel and biofuels — absorb incoming solar radiation and have a strong warming influence on the atmosphere.”
http://esciencenews.com/articles/2009/04/08/aerosols.may.drive.a.significant.portion.arctic.warming
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According to this study we may need the sulfate from the coal to counter the black carbon coal from Asia.
Funny how the article contradicts itself.
One step instead of two steps towards turning the State of Kansas back into the great American desert. Back in the 1800’s, it looked like western Kansas was the great American desert because water was sometimes hard to find. Many dry creeks. Some years little rain.
Then the vast underground lake of water, as large as some of the Great Lakes, known as the fantastic underground Ogallala aquifer was discovered under Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma and Texas …. and the race was on to mine this vast water supply. No matter that it isn’t rechargable and now in the early 21st Century is already on it’s way to oblivion.
The bigger rivers did run water because they got their start high in the Rocky Mountains. The Arkansas River for example starts not far east of Aspen, Colorado, as the crow flies. The Arkansas River obviously begins on the east side of the Great Divide, that magical ridge line that determines whether Rocky Mountain snow melt rivers run east towards Kansas and the Mississippi River or west towards Arizona and the Pacific Ocean. The Arkansas River is a gushing mountain stream through Colorado’s Royal Gorge.
But the State of Colorado holds and redistributes the Arkansas River water long before it reaches the Kansas-Colorado line. For a considerable number of years now, the Arkansas River has not flowed a drop of water in its historic channel through Garden City and Dodge City.
Currently the Arkansas River begins to pick up water in its channel out around Kinsley and Great Bend as flows toward Wichita. Of course this water is loaded with poisonous agricultural chemicals, sewage effluent and salt brine from oil wells along the way. That’s why the City of Wichita does not take any of its drinking water from the Arkansas River …. so far.
Now the State of Colorado has found another way to attack the water owned by Kansas taxpayers but generously appropriated to Colorado by Kansas politicians including new Kansas Governor Mark Parkinson with applause of our sniveling state wide U.S. Senators and Congressmen and some state legislators.
That is, allowing Sunflower Power Company to build this water gulping coal powered electric power plant on the Kansas side of the state line near Holcomb/Garden City. The primary purpose is to provide electric power to the rapidly growing Denver metropolitan area and other Rocky Mountain front range cities.
And give Kansas the critical black eye from loss of its drinking water from the valuable and declining Ogallala underground water aquifer and air pollution from the coal burning by-products.
Some legislators who are pro-coal burning power plants have the attitude they are old enough now they will be dead before these detrimental environmental chickens come home to roost. The danger will be to the young people of Kansas.
Governor Mark Parkinson does not own Kansas water and air. He’s only been governor for a few days and already making decisions that will turn Kansas into an arid manufacturing site comparable to Chenobyl nuclear accident site in Russia.
Something for traditional loyal Kansans to think about.
donndublin Posted May 4, 2009 at 7:12 pm
“Sulfates, which come primarily from the burning of coal and oil, scatter incoming solar radiation and have a net cooling effect on climate.”
donndublin, I’m sure you saw where some hysterical omnipotent feeling liberal actually recommended releasing pollutants into the atmosphere to ward off global warming by the cooling effects you describe.
I do hope these plants plans include recovering the steam, condensing it and reusing the water over and over and over, making that aspect a nearly closed system and not using lots of ground water.
donndublin posted May 4, 2009 at 7:12 pm
According to this study we may need the sulfate from the coal to counter the black carbon coal from Asia.
Funny how the article contradicts itself.
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The article does not contradict itself — it explains how human-added aerosols appear to have a powerful short-term effect on Earth’s climate.
bigotbawks,
Who “actually recommended releasing pollutants into the atmosphere to ward off global warming by the cooling effects you describe”? Post a link quoting them.
Holcomb’s plan is to evaporate (waste) the ground water.
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2009/050409.html
‘Can summer ice extent affect winter weather?‘
See image, ‘Winter Precipitation Tendencies Following Summers with Little Sea Ice’.
I really would like to see some of that nonexistent “clean” coal they’re gonna be using there. Suppose it’s white?
Now maybe all you “clean coal” supporters will be moving next door to the plant? No?
Strangely enough one of the side effects of the Oil Sands is the pressure now being put onto them to clean up their act, especially as to carbon emission pollutants. Seems they have developed a type of carbon catching ability that can direct the gas underground and are near to making it part of the day-to-day production skills. There is an ability to capture gas from coal, science has known this for decades but not in a practical sense, so the Alberta techies are looking to do the same carbon capturing and re-directing thereby offering a “clean” energy source not thought avialable from such a dirty mineral. If they get it right, it can mean a helluva reduction in foreign dependency for energy.
Dear Sunflower,
The upshot of this decision is I will be cutting my electrical use even further!
This summer’s thermostat setting will be 85 degrees!
Big Coal sucking republicans.
“Dear Sunflower,
The upshot of this decision is I will be cutting my electrical use even further!
This summer’s thermostat setting will be 85 degrees!”
What a dumbass….you don’t have power from Sunflower. And even if you did they would probably cut off your power due to non-payment.
“Who “actually recommended releasing pollutants into the atmosphere to ward off global warming by the cooling effects you describe”? Post a link quoting them.”–the mentally comatose cosmos
Obama looking at cooling air to fight warming
April 8th, 2009 By SETH BORENSTEIN , AP Science Writer
John Holdren talks about his role as President Obama’s science adviser during an interview with The Associated Press, in Washington, Wednesday, April 8, 2009. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)
AP) — “Tinkering with Earth’s climate to chill runaway global warming – a radical idea once dismissed out of hand – is being discussed by the White House as a potential emergency option, the president’s new science adviser said Wednesday.
The concept of using technology to purposely cool the climate is called geoengineering. One option raised by Holdren and proposed by a Nobel Prize-winning scientist includes shooting pollution particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect the sun’s rays.”
http://www.physorg.com/news158416336.html
What a bunch of egomaniacs that are just full of themselves and what they consider to be their intellectual brilliance.
Actually what a bunch of numskulls, like cosmos.
The guy didn’t even wait for his first approval numbers.
SO, we won’t actually see him drop 25 points and more in favorability. He’ll just always be hated.
“SO, we won’t actually see him drop 25 points and more in favorability. He’ll just always be hated.”
Not by a majority of people in Kansas.
I like him some, for a Dimocrat that is.
He shows good sense, not just political agenda.
Hey, I’m tickled by this, I like efficient coal plants and coal trains as well.
Be happy for me BlowJ, ha!!
I was coming home from northwest KS last week and headed east along I-70 up north of Ellsworth.
There are miles and miles and miles of electric generating wind turbines just north of the interstate there.
Hundreds of them I bet……and not one, not a single one, of them turning in the wind, of which there was plenty. What good were they doing?
The people of Kansas did not want the coal plant.
The opposition to it was bipartisan, as we see from the posters here.
I say that there is money or an after office job in this for Parkinson. Unfortunately, because Kansas is a con wasteland of toadies to business and industry, there will likely never be an investigation.
Kansas, for a brief time, set precedent in denying the construction of an unwanted and un needed coal fire plant. That Kansas has now lost that distinction is sad.
But the precedent that was set? That stands. Kansas is and always will be a lost cause to more progressive thought. But for a brief little time, it was NOT the place farthest from the bright center of the universe.
Bawks is a good example of why Kansas is AGAIN the place farthest from the bright center of the universe and a place many Kansas natives are deeply ashamed of.
Doesn’t sound like a truce, sounds like appeasement. Having gotten one, they’ll use its approaval to sue for the other.
Didn’t he come in saying he’d veto (don’t remember anything about a compromize statement). You know if they had the votes to override, they never would’ve compromized.
compromised.
The people most at risk are not any of us posting here.
They are the unborn and the new borns.
Developing children are at high risk for the deadly neuro-toxin mercury which coal contains in abundance and which coal plants spread to the four winds when it is burned.
So much for caring about kids, eh, Pukes?
If there’s money to be made, F-’em.
And let your sins be upon your heads.
As for Parkinson, what a sell-out basturd.
Oh brother…
BTW, Rhonda, exactly how much of the power does Kansas get?
Because we get 100 effing percent of the toxic emissions . . .
According to George W. Bush’s EPA, coal fired plants are “the largest remaining sources of mercury emissions in the country.”
Mercury is a toxic, persistent pollutant that accumulates in the food chain. Mercury in the air is a global problem. While fossil fuel-fired power plants are the largest remaining source of human-generated mercury emissions in the United States.
Atmospheric mercury falls to Earth through rain, snow and dry deposition and enters lakes, rivers and estuaries. Once there, it can transform into, methylmercury.
Because the developing fetus is the most sensitive to the toxic effects of methylmercury, women of childbearing age are regarded as the population of greatest concern. Children who are exposed to methylmercury before birth may be at increased risk of poor performance on neurobehavioral tasks, such as those measuring attention, fine motor function, language skills, visual-spatial abilities and verbal memory.
bigotbawks posted May 4, 2009 at 9:24 pm
What a bunch of egomaniacs that are just full of themselves and what they consider to be their intellectual brilliance.
Actually what a bunch of numskulls, like cosmos.
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bigotbawks is so incredibly brilliant(sic), she believes that researching an option to possibly use in the future = has already (past tense) “actually recommended”.
CapnAmerica,
And the entire global atmosphere gets the CO2 emissions, for a long, long time.
bigotbawks is so incredibly brilliant(sic), she believes that researching a potential emergency option, that might possibly need to be used in the future = has already “actually recommended”.
I’m serious.
I want a move started to impeach this jerk.
I do not care much for state politics, as Kansas is just the place where I am unfortunate enough to live and beyond that it does not matter. But I want to know how this rotten doublecrosser got to be lieutenant Governor.
Yeah, BlueJay – impeach that Democrat – it will do your party good. :)
You are sputtering and spewing again cosmos, shows you are frightened.
Your acclaimed peer reviewed scientists don’t know whether to ban pollutants or intentionally spew them into the atmosphere.
Which is it cosmos….one thing one day and another on another day, ha.
They look like a fools, and so do you.
“Bawks is a good example of why Kansas is AGAIN the place farthest from the bright center of the universe and a place many Kansas natives are deeply ashamed of.”—the BlowJb
Then get the hell out….I’d like to see you go and think the state would be far better off with out slugs like you.
Remember BlowJb, we are figuratively living right next to each other in this state, but I am prosperous with career, family and friends….what’s your excuse.
Think about it!
“But I want to know how this rotten doublecrosser got to be lieutenant Governor.”
Well don’t you remember…..dear Kathy picked him.
This is just too funny, she picks him, she veto’s and then he passes the construction.
Wonder if she’s stewing as much as BlowJ and comatose?
“but I am prosperous with career, family and friends”
Trying to convince me?
Or yourself?
This was, for a short time, a shining moment for Kansas.
WE mattered. We led the nation in policy that WILL guide the future. Sure, it didn’t last. Nothing worth anything in Kansas can or will.
Dwell on this.
The frontiers of getting beyond fossil fuels were pushed forward by KANSAS.
A woman’s right to choose is nowhere better available than in KANSAS.
As victories go, this isn’t much of one for the con forces of evil.
Ya get it after a lengthy battle and from the hands of a sellout politician.
So celebrate cons. Kansas screwed the pooch!
But get used to such lesser victories. If ya have to retreat to….ugh…Kansas to win?
You’ve already lost.
I see.
8,000,000 pounds of C02 is ok but 14,000,000 is not.
Gotcha.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUKTRE5440LK20090505
“Sunflower CEO Earl Watkins said construction could start on the plant in 12 to 18 months. Construction would take about four years.”
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I wonder what it’ll cost investors and/or rate-payers if construction is halted after being partly completed? Or if the plant is completed, but is shutdown due to GHG emissions, after being online only a few years?
I’m gonna make copies of my bumper sticker.
Should be a big seller!
“Future X Kansan”
“but I am prosperous with career, family and friends”
“Trying to convince me?
Or yourself?”
Nope….just fact.
Here’s one for you BlowJ, just to irritate you more.
Today just my metals holdings alone went up over $2800+ while I worked on other things and took it easy part of the time, and the market did pretty well too.
How’d you do ‘partner’?
Not bragging other than to pi$$ you off because you deserve it.
bigotbawks,
I’m not “stewing”. I’m wondering how much funding it’ll waste, that could’ve been spent more wisely on energy efficiency and renewables. And how much time it’ll waste.
“construction could start on the plant in 12 to 18 months. Construction would take about four years.””
And boy are we going to need that power by then if the wind generators aren’t doing any better than they were last week…..hundreds of them, dead still.
Night all, I’ve got to get to bed and dream of miles long coal trains.
Obama is all FOR Clean Coal.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/04/22/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4961750.shtml
April 22, 2009 2:07 PM
RFK Jr. Slams Obama On “Clean Coal”
In an interview with ABC News, environmental lawyer Robert F. Kennedy Jr. criticized President Obama and other political leaders for choosing “to endorse conditions that clearly are wrong” in the debate over so-called “clean coal.”
“The coal industry and the carbon industry in general are the largest contributors to the political process,” he said. “So, you know, you have politicians who have essentially become indentured servants to these, and adopt the talking points of these industries.”
(ABC News has been criticized for suggesting in the opening of its story on the interview that Kennedy directly called Mr. Obama an “indentured servant.” He did not do so, though he did include the president – whom he calls a “great man” – with other politicians who “feel the need to parrot the talking points of this industry that is so destructive to our country.”)
More broadly, “clean coal” refers to coal that can be produced more cleanly because the carbon dioxide created in the process, which contributes to global warming, can be captured and stored in the earth. Critics dub the idea a “fantasy” designed to prolong the country’s usage of coal at the behest of the industry.
“Never was there an oxymoron more insidious, or more dangerous to our public health [than clean coal],” wrote Jeff Biggers in the Washington Post last month. “Invoked as often by the Democratic presidential candidates as by the Republicans and by liberals and conservatives alike, this slogan has blindsided any meaningful progress toward a sustainable energy policy.”
As ABC News notes, the president proposed spending $3.4 billion in stimulus dollars on “clean coal” projects; the coal industry is using Mr. Obama in an ad promoting “clean coal” in which the president says “you can’t tell me we can’t figure out a way to burn coal that we mine right here in the United States and make it work.”
“I was coming home from northwest KS last week and headed east along I-70 up north of Ellsworth.
There are miles and miles and miles of electric generating wind turbines just north of the interstate there.”
Is THAT right?
I haven’t been out that way since 2001.
There were NO turbines there then.
Thanks for the good news!
Like I said, every now and again, Kansas escapes the dark ages.
Obama Ad FOR Clean Coal:
http://www.americaspower.org/var/abec/storage/images/news/ad-archive/together-we-can.-together-we-will/9805-1-eng-US/Together-we-can.-Together-we-will.jpg
“Night all, I’ve got to get to bed and dream of miles long coal trains.”
That’s what a con dreams of?
Enjoy your very minor victory.
There are nightmares (for you) to come that will not disappear with the morning!
Dirty Clean Coal Lobby Gave $240,000 to Obama Presidential Campaign
by Matthew McDermott, New York, NY on 04.23.09
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/04/clean-coal-lobby-have-240000-dollars-obama-presidential-campaign.php
OBAMA IS ROLLIN IN COAL!!!!
OBAMA LOVES COAL!!!!
COAL!
COAL!
COAL!
Just more fuel to pile on my son’s hate for Republicans!
Electric youth! The results may be quite shocking!
Al Gore Attacks Clean Coal BUT, Coal industry loves Obama’s new cabinet
(Obama – bought and paid for!)
Coal Industry Digs Itself Out of a Hole in the Capitol
Stephen Power and Siobhan Hughes | Wall Street Journall | 01.15.2009
Big Coal is on a roll in the nation’s capital, winning early rounds this week in what promises to be a long fight over fossil fuels and climate change.
Despite a well-funded ad campaign by environmentalists attacking the industry, and a huge coal-ash spill in Tennessee that has led to calls for more regulation, the industry has received positive assurances this week from President-elect Barack Obama’s nominees that the new administration is committed to keeping coal a big part of the nation’s energy source.
On Wednesday, Mr. Obama’s choice to lead the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, Lisa Jackson, described coal to a Senate panel as “a vital resource” for the country. A day earlier, Mr. Obama’s nominee to run the Energy Department, physicist Steven Chu, referred to coal as a “great natural resource.” Two years ago, he called the expansion of coal-fired power plants his “worst nightmare.”
The comments indicated the new administration is trying to steer toward the center in the debate over the costs associated with curbing fossil fuels and the greenhouse gases they produce.
Environmental groups are ratcheting up attacks on the industry. Last month, a group led by former Vice President Al Gore ran a national TV and print ad campaign lampooning the promise of so-called clean-coal technology and suggesting it would be risky for the U.S. to hold off on regulation of carbon-dioxide emissions until such technology becomes commercially available.
http://www.greenchange.org/article.php?id=3818
Citizen Kaine: Does Obama Love Coal?
So Virginia governor Tim Kaine is apparently in the pole position for the Obama veepstakes. Aside from all the other considerations—do vice-presidential candidates even help carry states any more, and how much is that Honduran vote worth, anyway?—one question does spring to mind.
Why would a presidential candidate determined to cut emissions of greenhouse gases by 80% and who has declared war on coal pick a running mate who made national headlines precisely by fighting environmentalists tooth-and-nail to get a big, new coal-fired power plant for southwestern Virginia?
http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalcapital/2008/08/01/citizen-kaine-does-obama-love-coal/
A Scenic Wonderland, for now..West Virginia Rises »Obama Loves Coal
http://amountainjourney.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/obama-loves-coal/
After intense pressure from moveon.org and thousands of environmentally conscience citizens, Barak Obama stepped down from his platform and publicly denounced the coal industry for frying the world with carbon dioxide. This was before his big surge. Now, Obama is once again flirting with King Coal. It is a smart political strategy, seeing how Big Coal has Big Money and did alot to get George Bush elected. Obama has pledged to initiate “coal friendly” programs. This translates to no cap on carbon dioxide emissions, the continuation of mountain top removal mining, and more than likely more coal barons in the EPA, OSM, and DNR. If Obama gets the Democratic nomination, the wildlife, people, culture, ecosystems, streams, and vistas of Central Appalachia can count their days. Perhaps, the world can too.
Here is a great post from the grist.org about the topic:
WTF happened to a ‘new direction’?
Obama condemns mining reform package as too hard on the mining industry
BlueJay
Posted May 4, 2009 at 11:43 pm | Permalink
Just more fuel to pile on my son’s hate for Republicans!
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HATE!
BJ IS SO BITTER AND FULL OF HATE.
And he teaches his kid to HATE too.
ObamaNationalism – BJ’s kid will soon be wearing a little school uniform and saluting Obama’s photo every morning, instead of saying the Pledge of Allegiance to the American Flag.
“Jim”
You carry a gun. Probably because you are someone that people hate.
But you call it self defense.
I teach my son to hate Republicans as despoilers of the Earth and users of other human beings.
I also call self defense.
It’s perfect, isn’t it?
Chatty Kathy, who was only ever really a Democrat because of her Secretary of Health’s solid stand against an unneeded and unwanted coal fired plant, uses the stance she did NOT take to leap to higher office…
…and leaves a little con troll in her place to maintain the status quo and thwart (after she is outta the way) the only good decision she could ever tie herself to.
Damn I hate Kansas.
Any of you that want to know about (and have strong stomachs) the effects of environmental mercury and a typical industrial response:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minamata_disease
Sursum,
Since you are so knowledgeable on the subject, maybe you can tell us concerned citizens where we can find the only functioning clean coal generating plant in the world.
Hint: try looking in the wastebasket next to the drawing board.
The Coal Coalition has even tried to supplant the term “Clean” coal with “Green” coal!
I’m not comfortable with Parkinson’s compromise, but hope there is enough in the language of the agreement to hold Sunflower to its claim of a “clean” coal plant.
Hold ‘em to their promises.
If they can come up with a clean power plant fired by coal, right on!
If they can do it without sucking down the Olagalla Aquifer, more power to ‘em.
If they come back and try to build a run-of-the-mill pollution-spewing smokestack plant… well, then we’ll need to talk.
Truce?
Sounds like a clear victory to me. Building one plant, and can now concentrate getting approval for another.
Sounds like a win-win for the power company.
” Is THAT right?
I haven’t been out that way since 2001.
There were NO turbines there then.
Thanks for the good news!
Like I said, every now and again, Kansas escapes the dark ages.”—-the bitter hateful BlowJb
That is right. And not a single one (zero) was operating in spite of wind.
Why are they there?
Jim, BlowJ’s kid will grow up and begin to look at others attitudes, beliefs and value system and when he does he well may come to resent the hate his father shows and tries to instill in him, and then tragically come to hate that part of him as well.
” That’s what a con dreams of?
Enjoy your very minor victory.
There are nightmares (for you) to come that will not disappear with the morning!”—BlowJ
Didn’t happen last night, slept quite well in fact.
BlueJay
Posted May 4, 2009 at 11:56 pm | Permalink
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I teach my son to hate
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Nuff said. Some folks just shouldn’t breed.
“Sounds like a clear victory to me. Building one plant, and can now concentrate getting approval for another.
Sounds like a win-win for the power company.”
Me too American_Way, and this proves it. Here is the open door for later. Ha!
“Parkinson agreed to limit the authority of the secretary of health and environment to regulate greenhouse gases, which is unwise but apparently was necessary to reach a deal.” Eagle Opinions
Parky only has the Gov. job a short time.
No doubt, this is the first of many favors he will do for big business in order to make a bed for the rest of his sorry life. Maybe he could write a book?
“How to become the most hated man in Kansas in 7 days or less”
How’s your blood pressure doing there BlowJ?
Think about what the next shoe to drop will be, that should make it soar.
Remember, Secretary of KDHE Roderick L. Bremby is now limited to the law!!! Not his own and Kathy’s arbitrary political agendas.
Maybe the gov can ask the Sunflower Corp to start paying some carbon taxes or buy carbon credits!
That’s surely cut down on the emissions we breath. [snort, snort, chortle]
“How’s your blood pressure doing there BlowJ?”
Lot’s of anger. Democrats are very angry people.
My blood pressure’s just fine their bawks.
I can hear your arteries hardening though.
Like I say, if a turncoat politician in a backwater, third rate state is the best you can do for victories these days?
It only gets worse for you from here.
A good pragmatic solution that considers the viewpoints of both sides has been worked out. What’s not to like?
Lets not minimize that Secretary of KDHE Bremby can no longer regulate so called greenhouse gasses.
That’s big!
Now these things will be left to the written law, as it should have been, and not arbitrary political agendas and faulty science.
Do we see another request on the horizon.
“Lets not minimize that Secretary of KDHE Bremby can no longer regulate so called greenhouse gasses.”
In Kansas?
Big deal. In a few years, almost no one will even live here anyway.
The precedent that was set was reaffirmed by the Supreme Court! Bremby’s courageous and forward thinking action will LONG out live and out do Governor Parkinson’s treachery.
In Kansas?
Big deal. In a few years, almost no one will even live here anyway.
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(Points and laughs)
BlueJay
Posted May 4, 2009 at 10:03 pm | Permalink
The people of Kansas did not want the coal plant.
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Care to provide proof of that airhead. I don’t think asking a few people in your little world then claiming the debate is settled is going to cut it.
Wind towers are an Eco-disaster waiting to happen.
I’ll bet the LIBs don’t know why.
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JimJohnson
Posted May 4, 2009 at 11:51 pm | Permalink
BlueJay
Posted May 4, 2009 at 11:43 pm | Permalink
Just more fuel to pile on my son’s hate for Republicans!
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HATE!
BJ IS SO BITTER AND FULL OF HATE.
And he teaches his kid to HATE too.
ObamaNationalism – BJ’s kid will soon be wearing a little school uniform and saluting Obama’s photo every morning, instead of saying the Pledge of Allegiance to the American Flag.
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BJ,
Since Obama loves coal, why aren’t you calling for his impeachment too?
Does Hopey McChange know about this?
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Last month, BP Solar said it would outsource assembly to Europe, laying off 140 workers, about 20 percent of the work force at the plant, in November. The company also stopped construction of a $100 million, 140,000-square-foot addition in April.
A current poll at kansas.com shows sentiment “It’s a shame that a plant will be built” leading.
“Rep. Raj Goyle, D-Wichita, called the agreement a “hopeful sign that we can move across party lines for a common-sense solution on a comprehensive energy policy for the state of Kansas.”
That one I can do something about. Mr Goyle just lost my vote.
BlueJay, can you tell us why wind farms are an Eco-disaster waiting to happen?
Or can you not think for yourself?
(Capn’A, BlueJay needs your guidance)
American_Way posted May 5, 2009 at 7:55 am
Maybe the gov can ask the Sunflower Corp to start paying some carbon taxes or buy carbon credits!
That’s surely cut down on the emissions we breath. [snort, snort, chortle]
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Future Holcomb rate-payers will pay higher utility bills, because carbon taxes will be enacted.
Enjoy celebrating your denial of climate science American_Way. . . it will cause higher utility bills.
Watch Sunflower find a way for all their rate payers to share in the increased costs.
Cosmos – where did I deny “climate science”?
And I have posted before: BRING ON THE CARBON TAXES!
Cant’s wait to see the poor folk struggle to pay their utility bills. Who ya gonna blame?
DEMORATS!
Watch Sunflower find a way for all their rate payers to share in the increased costs.
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You will have O’Bama to thank for that!
Cosmos,
What is the biggest potential environmental threat that wind farms pose?
Hint: It’s your favorite enemy.
Yeah Amway, cosmos wants the elderly widow ladies to pay more for their heating and cooling bills.
And like the jest of my post: Those carbon taxes have in this very situation been proven to NOT LOWER POLLUTION OR GLOBAL WARMING ONE TINY BIT.
Building the plant increases CO2 emissions.
I’m tempted to call those who believe these carbon credits/taxes will save the plant – idiots. (nothing personal)
But any new tax is just another method for government to collect revenue to spend on whatever whim comes their way. There is nothing to state the revenue raises, and higher utility bills WE will all pay, will be used directly for green purposes.
Zip. Zero. Nada.
Be careful what you ask for.
save the planet vice save the plant.
(unless for use as a pharmaceutical product only)
“cosmos wants the elderly widow ladies to pay more for their heating and cooling bills.”
The only problem herein lies with Obama has thought of this. His energy budget actually includes money to subsidize the higher utility bills for low income folks (e.g. Bluejay).
In other words, the rest of us WHO STILL PAY TAXES will pay both higher utility bills and higher tax bills.
ANTI posted May 5, 2009 at 9:43 am
Watch Sunflower find a way for all their rate payers to share in the increased costs.
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You will have O’Bama to thank for that!
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No, you will have all of the people (like Sunflower, and AGW deniers) who advocated the Holcomb coal-fired project, despite future carbon taxes being an almost guaranteed certainty.
Cosmos – where did I deny “climate science”?
Cosmos,
Wind farms? LIBs? Answer?
It has almost always been standard practise for utility companies customers to fund new development. Rate increase requests in both KS and MO have included justification for new plants. State regulators usually approve them, sometimes reducing them.
Not to be confused with carbon taxes/carbon credits. These will be something new. Additional.
(can I have another lump please)
Coal plants are less environmentally dangerous than wind farms…and more reliable.
bigotbawks posted May 5, 2009 at 8:19 am
Lets not minimize that Secretary of KDHE Bremby can no longer regulate so called greenhouse gasses.
That’s big!
Now these things will be left to the written law, as it should have been, and not arbitrary political agendas and faulty science.
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Yeah. . . let’s all pretend that “so called greenhouse gasses” do not exist, and do not warm our Earth by about 60 degrees F. And let’s call the lies spread by people like Monckton accurate and correct science. /sarcasm OFF
‘Monckton’s deliberate manipulation‘
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/05/moncktons-deliberate-manipulation/langswitch_lang/zh
I’m wondering, since 2/3 of the customers will be out of state, will Ks. have any rate setting authority over out of state customers, or will the 1/3 in Ks. pick up the tab for any cost increases?
cosmos_originally
Posted May 5, 2009 at 9:37 am
Enjoy celebrating your denial of climate science American_Way. . . it will cause higher utility bills.
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Cosmos, where did I post a “denial of climate science”?
Can you support your post?
American_Way posted May 5, 2009 at 9:54 am
It has almost always been standard practise for utility companies customers to fund new development.
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. . . and the wiser utilities are investing in higher energy efficiency, so the more expensive solution (new power plants) do not have to be built.
ANTI is not a proficient angler.
Daniel
Posted May 5, 2009 at 10:01 am | Permalink
ANTI is not a proficient angler.
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Now that is a flat out LIE!!! ;-)
“or will the 1/3 in Ks. pick up the tab for any cost increases?”
Actually Phantom you have a say in this. You can email, write, and even appear before the regulatory body.
I plan on appearing. My motion will be that those living closest to the plant: SW Kansas bear the full burden of paying for this fine specimen of electrical power. Those living on the eastern seaboard should be excluded from any rate incresae.
“and the wiser utilities are investing in higher energy efficiency, so the more expensive solution (new power plants) do not have to be built.”
Not all of them. Sunflower for instance….
I do find it interesting the Greenies don’t like to talk about the massive problems with Alt-Energy, but they love to bash existing, proven sources of energy.
American_Way,
Are you insisting that you agree with the AGW science?
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus.htm
If so, then I apologize for misstating your position.
‘Monckton’s deliberate manipulation‘
No cosmos,
Setting 280ppm of co2 as a pre-industrial standard is manipulation.
Making predictions with computer climate models that have incomplete observation data is manipulation.
Not acknowledging ice core samples have micro fissures and lose their gaseous content is manipulation.
Cherry picking average temperatures to put on a chart is manipulation.
I could go on, but the ‘Warmers’ alarmism is all about manipulation.
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American_Way
Posted May 5, 2009 at 10:05 am | Permalink
“and the wiser utilities are investing in higher energy efficiency, so the more expensive solution (new power plants) do not have to be built.”
Not all of them. Sunflower for instance….
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The future will probably prove that the new Holcomb plant (if it’s built) was an unwise strategy.
Cosmos believes the risk of millions of gallons of oil being spilled on the pristine prairie and turning it to a dead zone is a risk worth taking.
Regular and ANTI are not proficient anglers.
Cosmos believes the risk of millions of gallons of oil being spilled on the pristine prairie and turning it to a dead zone is a risk worth taking.
Cosmos is in bed with ‘Big Oil’.
and turning it to a dead zone is a risk worth taking.
cosmo doesn’t care about the environment. She only cares about attacking people and the coal industry.
Haven’t you read any of her posts?
She doesn’t even know what percentage of atmospheric CO2 is directly contributed by humans burning fossil fuels.
Attack, detract, redirect, repeat.
“If so, then I apologize for misstating your position.”
Thanks Cosmos. I know what my stated position has been. You will remember it shortly.
I posted: I don’t give a dam about GW!
That doesn’t make me a denier or an advocate.
The relationship of the issue however, does affect my greedy tightwad pocketbook. To that end, you will see me involved in the debate.
Does this fishing discussion by chance have anything to do with “bait”?
If so, LoL, you are good.
It may have been bait, however my point still stands.
Coal plants= Bad!!!
Putting thousands of gigantic fiberglass shoe boxes filled with thousands of gallons of gear oil each, 200 feet in the air in tornado alley= Good!!!
I smell stupid.
So cos, what percentage of atmospheric CO2 is directly contributed to humans burning fossil fuels.
Surely you are not ignorant of the founding tenet of your faith. Why so afraid?
“200 feet in the air in tornado alley= Good!!!”
That would make an awesome video. I’ll bet that could fetch a high price with the news outlets.
Passing on to chasers……
cos? Libs? Alarmists?
Do any of you know what percentage is directly contributed by humans burning fossil fuels?
Surely you are not so ignorant as to swallow everything those people put in your mouths. Surely you have done some research.
Are you really this ignorant? Championing a tax you don’t even understand the impact of?
“SolDevVB” parrots –
“Do any of you know what percentage is directly contributed by humans burning fossil fuels?”
Do you?
If you do, why ask?
If you don’t, look it up.
So you don’t then. But you support the tax. How ignorant of you.
Swallow hard monkey, it is a biter pill.
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ANTI
Posted May 5, 2009 at 10:26 am | Permalink
Coal plants= Bad!!!
Putting thousands of gigantic fiberglass shoe boxes filled with thousands of gallons of gear oil each, 200 feet in the air in tornado alley= Good!!!
I smell stupid.
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Wind turbines aren’t brand new technology so I’m sure there are hundreds of documented news accounts of tornadoes striking turbines and wreaking environmental havoc to be found on the net…..or not.
I couldn’t find a single story. That’s not to say it hasn’t happened. Maybe you can find a link.
P.S. A shower will probably get that stupid smell off of you. ;-)
Monkeyhawk,
soldevvb doesn’t even know who he quoted, when he made his empty attacks on AGW science.
“get that stupid smell off of you”
That and telling Anti he can’t fish?
Ouch!
That’s 2 for Daniel and
Anti?
Anti!!!!!!!
Wind turbines aren’t brand new technology
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No, but their use in tornado alley is. As far as tornado strikes, it’s a gamble just like living in Greensburg, they didn’t have a problem for many years…..
But we are talking about the evil oil suspended in the air above the prairie, it’s just a matter of time. Exxon Valdez on the prairie.
BTW, I have assisted in the construction of 3 of the wind farms in Kansas.
BTW, I have assisted in the construction of 3 of the wind farms in Kansas.
That would explain the ‘kilroy’ graphics on some of them then.
Daniel,
I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of questionable environmental catastrophes…
I guess it’s just OK to discuss the evil coal plants.
soldevvb,
Who is your source for the 2 paragraphs you copy/pasted?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/open-thread-51-2/#comment-564439
“warm our Earth by about 60 degrees F”—comatose
No wonder cosmos is comatose, he/she has a cooked brain.
Warmed “60 degrees F”, that’s a pretty big increase comatose, ya sticking with that. We are talking about increases after all as a potential problem, though I think non-existant.
By the way it’s only in the low/mid 50s now, ya saying it should be -10*F in May?
More about one of the leaders of the AGW science deniers.
‘Monckton caught making things up. Yet again‘
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/05/monckton_caught_making_things.php
“One is his reference to himself as “a member of the Upper House of the United Kingdom legislature” in a letter to two American senators. He is not of course and never has been.
. . .
The other thing Private Eye notes is his logo, which he is using on his graphs and letters – a portcullis topped with a crown, bearing a striking resemblance to the insignia of the House of Parliament.”
What’s wrong cos?
Can’t answer and easy question?
Always spinning to find someone to attack.
No one to attack cos, just a question.
And you seem terrified of the answer.
Rightfully so cos. Rightfully so.
Attack attack attack.
But you can’t even answer one of the most basic questions your faith is founded on.
What is is cos? What is the percentage?
All cosmos does all day long on the blog is to attack people, anywhere, anytime or anyplace.
Do you really want to leave the future to people like cosmos?
I didn’t think so.
Attack attack attack.
But you can’t even answer one of the most basic questions your faith is founded on.
What is is cos? What is the percentage?
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Deflect deflect deflect.
You won’t even answer a basic question about what your denial is founded on.
Where was it sol? Where did you copy/paste it from?
LMAO
Where was it sol? Where did you copy/paste it from?
LMAO
Laugh it up. What difference does it make where it came from? I mean other than you wanting to attack the source…
The bigger issue is talk of cap and trade. This is based on what exactly?
Do you even know what the tax will do? What percentage of what will be lowered?
You seem too ignorant to understand the basic concept ===>
The percent of human added CO2 from burning fossil fuel is so ridiculously low that cosmo is too afraid to post it.
You all are.
But bring on cap and trade right? You haven’t the foggiest if it will even make a measurable difference.
The greenies, alarmist and some libs want it, so you swallow it right down.
There are none as blind as they who choose not to see.
Cons–people who oppose abortion to punish women who accidentally get pregnant while coddling polluters who poison the unborn child in the womb.
Cons, when you get to hell, enjoy the warm weather.
Cons, when you get to hell, enjoy the warm weather.
There will be no more room in H3ll when they slam the gate behind you Capn. :)
soldevvb posted May 5, 2009 at 1:17 pm
What difference does it make where it came from?
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It makes absolutely no difference to soldevvb that his source is lying about climate science.
women who accidentally get pregnant
Oh… whoops… it slipped.
So capn, after you wipe your tears from that heart felt statement, by what percentage would cap and trade reduce atmospheric CO2?
At that point, what would be the percentage of atmospheric CO2 directly contributed by humans burning fossil fuels?
You idiots rail for these taxes and you have not clue one what is being taxed nor what the outcome would be.
Damn y’all are just stoopid !!!
It makes absolutely no difference to soldevvb that his source is lying about climate science.
Prove I am lying by posting a correct number.
Any takers? I got $100 says cos can’t do it. She can’t post a valid number. She just wants to attack attack attack.
Capn? Damning “Con’s”? Tell em their going to Hades?
Please consider anger management classes.
CapnAmerica
Posted May 5, 2009 at 1:47 pm | Permalink
Cons–people who oppose abortion to punish women who accidentally get pregnant while coddling polluters who poison the unborn child in the womb.
Cons, when you get to hell, enjoy the warm weather.
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This is Hate Speech.
Oh… whoops… it slipped.
People like Sol who have no first-hand experience with sexual passion may have a difficult time understanding how strong the drive is.
Lord knows, somebody out there is using all that Levitra . . .
first-hand experience
I prefer women. If you stick with your hand though capn, you won’t have to worry about getting a female pregnant.
The Capn subscribes to the ancient art of one-hand fapping…
understanding how strong the drive is
You married? You cheat on your wife? How do you control that drive?
Libs–”there but for the grace of God go I”
Cons–”because God made me better, I’m not YOU.”
CapnAmerica
Posted May 5, 2009 at 2:58 pm | Permalink
Libs–”there but for the grace of God go I”
Cons–”because God made me better, I’m not YOU.”
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This is Hate Speech.
The De-Cider.
Libs–”there but for the grace of
GodObama go I”Fixed it for you. First one is free.
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cosmos_originally
Posted May 5, 2009 at 2:09 pm | Permalink
soldevvb posted May 5, 2009 at 1:17 pm
What difference does it make where it came from?
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It makes absolutely no difference to soldevvb that his source is lying about climate science.
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cosMo,
If you say that Sol’s source is lying then you must know how much CO2 man contributes or you don’t know and therefore you have no way of knowing if it’s a lie or not.
Why don’t you just answer the question and put it to rest or say you don’t know. Your diminished creditability is approaching zero.
“donndublin” –
If you know the answer, share it with us.
If you don’t, look it up.
This is for all of you so worried about what Sunflower might do to its ratepayers:
Sunflower is a RURAL ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE. That means its shareholders and its ratepayers are THE SAME PEOPLE. Its ratepayers got to vote on this project. And they voted to take the risk. If it succeeds, they reap the rewards. If it fails they take the loss. Its partner in the venture, Tri-State is also a cooperative. Its ratepayers and shareholders are also the same people.
And for the reader who questioned what’s happening at Ellsworth… Smoky Hill phase 1 went down to a transformer blowout last December and has been shut down since.
Drive by Meridian Way near Concordia. It is also standing still because of ongoing problems (months now) with sensors.
Monkeyhawk,
What’s funny, is their all-important number is meaningless without including the other factors.
* CO2 has a long lifetime in Earth’s atmosphere. If it had a shorter lifetime, not as much would’ve accumulated.
* Nature has been able to absorb some, but not all of the human-caused CO2.
If nature had been able to sink all of the human-caused CO2, levels would’ve stayed flat, instead of climbing so high/fast.
And vice-versa — if nature had sank less, levels would’ve climbed even higher/faster.
* The amount nature sinks/sources has been changed by humans, and will change in the future (positive feedback).
Bottom line –nature had an approximate balance between carbon sources and sinks before humans starting burning fossil fuels, and caused land changes. Humans have caused CO2 to increase from about 280 ppm to 380+ ppm, which causes about an extra 1.5 watts/meter-squared of radiative forcing.
newshound posted May 5, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Its ratepayers got to vote on this project. And they voted to take the risk.
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They voted to risk paying higher utility rates in the future, due to future carbon taxes?
Yep, sure did.
They also voted to spend money to generate electricity to sell to other people, even HORROR! to out-of-staters.
You see they are all farmers. They are used to producing things they sell to other people in other states and even other countries. And many of them figured electricity (and eventually algae for biodiesel and ethanol) would be a more profitable crop than irrigated corn, especially corn grown in the sandhills of Kansas.
They also knew that developing wind would take transmission lines and they voted to let Colorado pay for that infrastructure.
“cosmos_originally” –
Yeah, well.
But I am not a scientist.
Just seems to me a hundred years of spewing smokestack and exhaust pipe gasses in the air while deforesting thousands of square miles of Brazilian jungles might catch up with us.
In the mean time, fossil fuels are a finite resource. And God screws up and put non-Christians on top of all our oil.
Meanwhile, there are plenty of alternative sources of energy which don’t sap the planet’s carbon-based resources and polar bears and penguins might be able to have a habitat.
While I respect your efforts against the climate change deniers on WE Blog, I sometimes wonder why you bother. Many of them think the Universe is 8,000 years old; how can you even enter into a scientific discussion with such types?
It’s as if I decided to enter into a discussion of race relations in America… only limited the discussion to the beginning of Michael Jordan’s NBA career. No slavery. No Jim Crow laws. No Martin Luther King, Jr. No, the fact Michael Jordan was the most popular athlete in America PROVES all African-Americans are highly paid media stars.
Now that Parkinson has sold out to Sunflower, I want to see what Sunflower presents as a “clean” coal power plant.
Meanwhile, CONs whose only dog in this fight is their visceral hatred for Al Gore, taunt you with minutia.
It’s odd to watch.
Many of them think the Universe is 8,000 years old;
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Many?
I don’t think so.
I should ask Jed how old the Earth is….
“ANTI” –
Ask “HLP” or “Nathaniel” how old the universe is.
Monkeyhawk
Posted May 5, 2009 at 4:29 pm | Permalink
“ANTI” –
Ask “HLP” or “Nathaniel” how old the universe is.
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Are they what you classify as ‘many’?
newshound posted May 5, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Yep, sure did.
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Okay. . . I guess they wont care when it’s cheaper to run nat-gas plants at maximum capacity instead of buying coal-fired power, which will reduce the demand at the coal plants.
BTW, they have a right to their beliefs.
Now that Parkinson has sold out to Sunflower, I want to see what Sunflower presents as a “clean” coal power plant.
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The old plant is one of the cleanest in the nation.
I think you people are fighting in the wrong area.
Okay. . . I guess they wont care when it’s cheaper to run nat-gas plants at maximum capacity
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Sure, when we are all getting around in our flying cars.
fleettwood posted May 5, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Okay. . . I guess they wont care when it’s cheaper to run nat-gas plants at maximum capacity
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Sure, when we are all getting around in our flying cars.
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Coal emits more CO2 than nat-gas. The “switch-over” point is relatively low, and could happen during the early stages of carbon taxes, as the rates are gradually increased.
ANTI posted May 5, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Now that Parkinson has sold out to Sunflower, I want to see what Sunflower presents as a “clean” coal power plant.
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The old plant is one of the cleanest in the nation.
I think you people are fighting in the wrong area.
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No, you people are denying reality, and climate science.
Ant,
“I should ask Jed how old the Earth is….”
4.5-4.9 Billion years by recent reckonings, and depending at what point it’s considered to have become Earth.
And by the way, I’m not a denier of AGW, I’ve been a welcomer of it all winter. I may change that view temporarily for summer wear.
Looks like we’ll be seening environmental legislation sometime in May. According to the article repubs in the midwest have a line in the sand against cap and trade. I’d add repubs in the midwest have their heads in the sand!
Not only do we have alot of coal burning utilities, but we continue to build more.
“House Republicans said they were dead set against any cap and trade legislation and instead called for increasing domestic energy production, encouraging conservation and promoting alternative fuels.
An official of one environmental group said the Republican ideas “look an awful lot like business as usual.”
Representative Fred Upton of Michigan, a senior Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, told reporters: “The Democrats know that we have a pretty solid line in the sand” against cap and trade, which he called “a dagger to the Midwest.”
Midwestern states rely heavily on coal, a major emitter of carbon dioxide, to power electric utilities.
Upton said Republicans, as well as some Democrats, have so many amendments to the bill, including measures to kill cap and trade, that it could take up to two weeks for the committee to wade through them.
CRUCIAL TO INTERNATIONAL TALKS
Representatives Mike Doyle of Pennsylvania and Gene Green of Texas — two Democrats who worried that the steel and oil refinery industries could suffer — told reporters that their concerns were being addressed.
Democrats said Obama’s firm support for the bill would help because wavering lawmakers would have the popular president “selling the legislation” to the public.
The legislation, which would require U.S. industry to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide, is crucial to the U.S. position in international talks on global warming due to take place in December
“Sure, when we are all getting around in our flying cars.”
Just like George Jetson! I’ll bet I can get hired by Cogswell Cogs. They aren’t very GW minded..
Phantom: Democrats have a clear majority. GO FOR IT!!! Enact Carbon Credits/cap and trade. Increase those tax dollars.
I pray to god you GO FOR IT!!!!!
Oh please, please do. Democrats all vote yes, and republicans all voting no.
Please let it be so…..
And suffer the consequences…..
And by the way, I’m not a denier of AGW, I’ve been a welcomer of it all winter. I may change that view temporarily for summer wear.
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Well played ole boy, well played!
LMFAO!
If cap and trade is the “right thing” to do, then your politicians should approve it.
All democrats should vote for it – as soon as possible!
You could get a few movies from holywood, lib actors, and actresses to do spot commercials endorsing it.
You are missing a hel l of an opportunity here.
Sounds like a good idea, use most of the money raised to help the consumer out.
“Chief among the loose ends is a “cap and trade” proposal that would set a ceiling and put a price on greenhouse gas emissions. Companies could either purchase or receive their allowance for free, and then buy or sell portions of their allotment to meet emissions limits.
Obama’s budget expects to raise $650 billion by auctioning off all the allowances to companies that release heat-trapping gases, with the bulk of the money going back to families to help with higher energy prices
Ks. has been given ample notice, if they build it higher prices will come.
Ant,
There are other benefits besides comfort to AGW;
1. Since 70% of the country’s population lives on the coasts, when sea levels rise and force all those people inland, my soon-to-be-beachfront Kansas property will exponentially increase in value.
2. Not having to put up with blizzards or polar bears or those soppy baby seals and their ghoulish hunter videos anymore.
3. Expanded areas for development of tropical resorts, and increased employment for Eskimos as Cabana Towel Boys.
4. More rainforests to exploit.
5. Bigger oceans will increase potential revenues for shipping companies.
6. Reduced ozone will allow faster tanning.
‘Good and Bad News About Coal (Plus Video) ‘
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-nilles/good-and-bad-news-about-c_b_199244.html
“The new coal plant actually increases Kansas’ contributions to global warming (PDF). “
http://kansas.sierraclub.org/Wind/FactSheet-Parkinson-Sunflower-ByVolland.pdf
“Overall, however, the Governor has vastly exaggerated the extent to which the settlement compensates for, or offsets, the 6.7 million tons of new heat-trapping greenhouse gas emissions that would be generated by Holcomb 2 in the state of Kansas. It contains much ambiguous language and numerous escape hatches whereby Sunflower may avoid some future performance requirements.”