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		<title>By: bth</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/reconsider-river-access-vote/#comment-571221</link>
		<dc:creator>bth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 13:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct Phantom.  I left that part out.

You can buy flexible hosing at hardware stores to carry the water away from the foudations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct Phantom.  I left that part out.</p>
<p>You can buy flexible hosing at hardware stores to carry the water away from the foudations.</p>
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		<title>By: Phantom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/reconsider-river-access-vote/#comment-571099</link>
		<dc:creator>Phantom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 03:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fill in low spots around the basement walls and elevate around the walls higher than the rest of the yard would help prevent water from seeping into the sump pump.
I also have basement window wells that would catch alot of water, made covers for them and the sump has ran very little even with all the rain we had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fill in low spots around the basement walls and elevate around the walls higher than the rest of the yard would help prevent water from seeping into the sump pump.<br />
I also have basement window wells that would catch alot of water, made covers for them and the sump has ran very little even with all the rain we had.</p>
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		<title>By: bth</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/reconsider-river-access-vote/#comment-570934</link>
		<dc:creator>bth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 18:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JW - ever study the hydrogeology around Kiowa County?  Look at their various municipal wells?  They do NOT pump from the hand-dug well; they have several other &quot;modern&quot; ones around town.  And they have had issues caused by &quot;recycle&quot; through recharge from the surface.

&quot;The well was used as the town&#039;s water supply until 1932&quot;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greensburg,_Kansas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JW &#8211; ever study the hydrogeology around Kiowa County?  Look at their various municipal wells?  They do NOT pump from the hand-dug well; they have several other &#8220;modern&#8221; ones around town.  And they have had issues caused by &#8220;recycle&#8221; through recharge from the surface.</p>
<p>&#8220;The well was used as the town&#8217;s water supply until 1932&#8243;</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greensburg,_Kansas" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greensburg,_Kansas</a></p>
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		<title>By: JWink</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/reconsider-river-access-vote/#comment-570931</link>
		<dc:creator>JWink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 18:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bth:  One of the advantages to those living in Greensburg, Kansas ... their drinking water is pumped up from the bottom of the &quot;World&#039;s deepest handdug well.&quot;  At the bottom of this circa 1890&#039;s well flows cool, clear, sparkling clean water from the still flowing Ogallala aquifer. 

Of course, the new 895 megawatt coal-fired electrical power plant near Garden City/Holcomb will threaten the continued flow of this wonderful water.  Only time will tell how much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bth:  One of the advantages to those living in Greensburg, Kansas &#8230; their drinking water is pumped up from the bottom of the &#8220;World&#8217;s deepest handdug well.&#8221;  At the bottom of this circa 1890&#8217;s well flows cool, clear, sparkling clean water from the still flowing Ogallala aquifer. </p>
<p>Of course, the new 895 megawatt coal-fired electrical power plant near Garden City/Holcomb will threaten the continued flow of this wonderful water.  Only time will tell how much.</p>
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		<title>By: JWink</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/reconsider-river-access-vote/#comment-570930</link>
		<dc:creator>JWink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 18:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bth:  Depends on which town or municipality you live in.  Some water is more recycled than other water.  

Needless to say, if your doctor tries to prescribe anti-biotics or blood pressure medicine, just tell him:  No thanks ... you get them in your Wichita recycled drinking water!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bth:  Depends on which town or municipality you live in.  Some water is more recycled than other water.  </p>
<p>Needless to say, if your doctor tries to prescribe anti-biotics or blood pressure medicine, just tell him:  No thanks &#8230; you get them in your Wichita recycled drinking water!</p>
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		<title>By: bth</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/reconsider-river-access-vote/#comment-570928</link>
		<dc:creator>bth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 17:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BlueJay - depending on the lay of your yard your best approach might be a low spot on the yard away from the house.  Then use downspout extenders to direct the water away from the foundation.  This is what I did - result a dry basement and a not-constantly-running sump pump.

&#039;Passive&#039; is always best.

JW - all water is recycled water.  The aquifer we draw from is recharged by runoff etc.  We may as well get used to the idea and then do it right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BlueJay &#8211; depending on the lay of your yard your best approach might be a low spot on the yard away from the house.  Then use downspout extenders to direct the water away from the foundation.  This is what I did &#8211; result a dry basement and a not-constantly-running sump pump.</p>
<p>&#8216;Passive&#8217; is always best.</p>
<p>JW &#8211; all water is recycled water.  The aquifer we draw from is recharged by runoff etc.  We may as well get used to the idea and then do it right.</p>
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		<title>By: Jed</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/reconsider-river-access-vote/#comment-570924</link>
		<dc:creator>Jed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 17:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blue,
There&#039;s a home salvage yard on 63rd S. West of K-15 where I bought a couple of used 55gal. plastic drums several years ago. You might check there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blue,<br />
There&#8217;s a home salvage yard on 63rd S. West of K-15 where I bought a couple of used 55gal. plastic drums several years ago. You might check there.</p>
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		<title>By: Jed</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/reconsider-river-access-vote/#comment-570923</link>
		<dc:creator>Jed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 17:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wink,
Now we know who wasn&#039;t one of Etheridge&#039;s investors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wink,<br />
Now we know who wasn&#8217;t one of Etheridge&#8217;s investors.</p>
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		<title>By: JWink</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/reconsider-river-access-vote/#comment-570921</link>
		<dc:creator>JWink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 17:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bth: Your remark just gave me an idea.  You said something to the effect, &quot;A lot of private funds were donated to fund the study of Arkansas River points of entry for canoes.&quot;    

Actually, I attended one of those public meetings.   Seems like it might have been held at the &quot;4-H building&quot; at 21st and Ridge.  The consultants were from out of town, perhaps Kansas City.  It was obvious they didn&#039;t want to answer any questions. 

Anyway, Thomas Etheredge should have kept his restaurant going and merely prepared a &quot;study and recommendations&quot; of HOW to build an outdoor recreational park in Park City.   Etheredge could have suggested that great site along I-135.  He could have sketched his suggestions for rides and placement within the park.  He could have suggested food service that would complement the park.  

And Thomas Etheredge could have offered to put his Hopalong Cassidy museum in the park AFTER SEDGWICK COUNTY BUILT THE RECREATIONAL VENUE PARK WITH A GIANT SALES TAX. 

Then the taxpayers would have picked up the tab with a bottomless pot of money and all this squabbling over the crumbs could have been avoided.  

But Etheredge dreamed too big.  He jumped in with both cowboy boots slinging mud.   His investors saw a man of action and jumped in with him.  But now they are claiming they were duped ... didn&#039;t know what he was trying to do.  They say the wool was pulled over their eyes.  

It happens.  Bad deal.  Now close the case and get on with life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bth: Your remark just gave me an idea.  You said something to the effect, &#8220;A lot of private funds were donated to fund the study of Arkansas River points of entry for canoes.&#8221;    </p>
<p>Actually, I attended one of those public meetings.   Seems like it might have been held at the &#8220;4-H building&#8221; at 21st and Ridge.  The consultants were from out of town, perhaps Kansas City.  It was obvious they didn&#8217;t want to answer any questions. </p>
<p>Anyway, Thomas Etheredge should have kept his restaurant going and merely prepared a &#8220;study and recommendations&#8221; of HOW to build an outdoor recreational park in Park City.   Etheredge could have suggested that great site along I-135.  He could have sketched his suggestions for rides and placement within the park.  He could have suggested food service that would complement the park.  </p>
<p>And Thomas Etheredge could have offered to put his Hopalong Cassidy museum in the park AFTER SEDGWICK COUNTY BUILT THE RECREATIONAL VENUE PARK WITH A GIANT SALES TAX. </p>
<p>Then the taxpayers would have picked up the tab with a bottomless pot of money and all this squabbling over the crumbs could have been avoided.  </p>
<p>But Etheredge dreamed too big.  He jumped in with both cowboy boots slinging mud.   His investors saw a man of action and jumped in with him.  But now they are claiming they were duped &#8230; didn&#8217;t know what he was trying to do.  They say the wool was pulled over their eyes.  </p>
<p>It happens.  Bad deal.  Now close the case and get on with life.</p>
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		<title>By: BlueJay</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/reconsider-river-access-vote/#comment-570890</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 16:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well,

   I have gutters and a sump pump. My brother has gutters but no sump pump.

    The idea here is to catch and store the water for more even distribution and use.

    I am aware that the drums are recycled because they are plastic and that&#039;s good.

    But there must be a way to get safe, used empty ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well,</p>
<p>   I have gutters and a sump pump. My brother has gutters but no sump pump.</p>
<p>    The idea here is to catch and store the water for more even distribution and use.</p>
<p>    I am aware that the drums are recycled because they are plastic and that&#8217;s good.</p>
<p>    But there must be a way to get safe, used empty ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Monkeyhawk</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/reconsider-river-access-vote/#comment-570888</link>
		<dc:creator>Monkeyhawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 16:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;BlueJay&quot; --
 
Gutters are your friend.  Keep &#039;em clean and make sure the outflow extends away from the foundation.

Sump pumps are good, too.  Just don&#039;t take the easy way out and have &#039;em pump their water out too close to the house; otherwise they&#039;ll seem like some perpetual motion machine.

When I lived in Wichita (if you can call that living) I was on the Little Ark&#039;s riverbanks.  Loved the trees, the Canada Geese in winter, the raccoons and other critters who got fat grazing the neighbors&#039; dogs&#039; food dishes.  The fattest possum I&#039;ve seen in my life was down there by our place.  

One night, during a glorious spring evening, my kitty strolled into my office from the patio and gave be a look that said, &quot;This is above my pay grade.  Your call.&quot;

I walked into the living room and there was a mother raccoon with four pups (kittens?) in tow.  

It wasn&#039;t a big deal to calmly negotiate with the mama and persuade her she and her brood weren&#039;t all that welcome in my house.  

If you&#039;re gonna live in such a god-forsaken place like Wichita, at least get some shade in the summer and enjoy what semblance of nature still exists near the riversides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;BlueJay&#8221; &#8211;</p>
<p>Gutters are your friend.  Keep &#8216;em clean and make sure the outflow extends away from the foundation.</p>
<p>Sump pumps are good, too.  Just don&#8217;t take the easy way out and have &#8216;em pump their water out too close to the house; otherwise they&#8217;ll seem like some perpetual motion machine.</p>
<p>When I lived in Wichita (if you can call that living) I was on the Little Ark&#8217;s riverbanks.  Loved the trees, the Canada Geese in winter, the raccoons and other critters who got fat grazing the neighbors&#8217; dogs&#8217; food dishes.  The fattest possum I&#8217;ve seen in my life was down there by our place.  </p>
<p>One night, during a glorious spring evening, my kitty strolled into my office from the patio and gave be a look that said, &#8220;This is above my pay grade.  Your call.&#8221;</p>
<p>I walked into the living room and there was a mother raccoon with four pups (kittens?) in tow.  </p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t a big deal to calmly negotiate with the mama and persuade her she and her brood weren&#8217;t all that welcome in my house.  </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re gonna live in such a god-forsaken place like Wichita, at least get some shade in the summer and enjoy what semblance of nature still exists near the riversides.</p>
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		<title>By: JWink</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/reconsider-river-access-vote/#comment-570887</link>
		<dc:creator>JWink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 16:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BJ:  Install a sump pump.  The plumber will install a plastic liner in the pit that he digs in your basement floor in which to set the sump pump and collect the water.   

If you live in an older house, there might be an old cistern outside near a corner of your house for the very purpose of catching rain water for washing clothes, etc. Most were filled in many years ago.  

Another alternative:  when it is raining, take a large plastic bag outside and catch the rain in it as it pours off your roof!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BJ:  Install a sump pump.  The plumber will install a plastic liner in the pit that he digs in your basement floor in which to set the sump pump and collect the water.   </p>
<p>If you live in an older house, there might be an old cistern outside near a corner of your house for the very purpose of catching rain water for washing clothes, etc. Most were filled in many years ago.  </p>
<p>Another alternative:  when it is raining, take a large plastic bag outside and catch the rain in it as it pours off your roof!</p>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/reconsider-river-access-vote/#comment-570886</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 16:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blue Jay,  you might  check  with  Lowes,  Home Depot, or Sutherlands...  I&#039;m not sure how  safe  &quot;used&quot; drums  would  be,  depending  on  what  they  were  used for originally...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blue Jay,  you might  check  with  Lowes,  Home Depot, or Sutherlands&#8230;  I&#8217;m not sure how  safe  &#8220;used&#8221; drums  would  be,  depending  on  what  they  were  used for originally&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: BlueJay</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/reconsider-river-access-vote/#comment-570885</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 15:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps this is the proper place for a request.

    My basement floods.

   It would. The water that hits the roof ends up all around the foundation.

    Does anybody know where to get empty 55 gallon plastic drums?

   I want to build a rainwater storage and even distribution system to keep my basement dry and the aquifer wet.

    I want to get ahead of the curve as I believe water is the gold of the future in Kansas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps this is the proper place for a request.</p>
<p>    My basement floods.</p>
<p>   It would. The water that hits the roof ends up all around the foundation.</p>
<p>    Does anybody know where to get empty 55 gallon plastic drums?</p>
<p>   I want to build a rainwater storage and even distribution system to keep my basement dry and the aquifer wet.</p>
<p>    I want to get ahead of the curve as I believe water is the gold of the future in Kansas.</p>
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		<title>By: JWink</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/reconsider-river-access-vote/#comment-570884</link>
		<dc:creator>JWink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 15:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bth:  I have a suggestion for the Sierra Club which I often times sympathize with but do not belong to.  That is, mark the spot water begins running in the Arkansas River.  I call it the dry line.  I&#039;m told it is moving gradually but exorbitantly eastward towards the big bend in the Arkansas River at Great Bend.  It will then move southeasterly towards Hutchinson and Wichita.  

To slow this movement, the Ogallala underground water aquifer should be protected by our state government.  But instead, our elected representatives of Kansas people, our politicians, keep selling out the so-called &quot;water rights&quot; as though this water will last forever.  I give it ten years and the underground aquifer water will be gone forever.  

Kansans will have no choice but to drink recycled sewage effluent and chemically dangerous river water that is still left.  But no matter ... NASA&#039;s shuttle crews are doing it now.  

BTH, you take the first drink.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bth:  I have a suggestion for the Sierra Club which I often times sympathize with but do not belong to.  That is, mark the spot water begins running in the Arkansas River.  I call it the dry line.  I&#8217;m told it is moving gradually but exorbitantly eastward towards the big bend in the Arkansas River at Great Bend.  It will then move southeasterly towards Hutchinson and Wichita.  </p>
<p>To slow this movement, the Ogallala underground water aquifer should be protected by our state government.  But instead, our elected representatives of Kansas people, our politicians, keep selling out the so-called &#8220;water rights&#8221; as though this water will last forever.  I give it ten years and the underground aquifer water will be gone forever.  </p>
<p>Kansans will have no choice but to drink recycled sewage effluent and chemically dangerous river water that is still left.  But no matter &#8230; NASA&#8217;s shuttle crews are doing it now.  </p>
<p>BTH, you take the first drink.</p>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/reconsider-river-access-vote/#comment-570882</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 15:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben  --  I  remember growing up,  on Summer  Sunday afternoons,  the  many boating  enthusiasts  who would  get out on the River, and  have  family outings in the Parks...  It  was always  a great thing to see...  Also,  on the  &quot;little&quot; river,  when the old  Boathouse was  on Murdock,  and  they  rented  canoes... 

It was great... I think its something  that  needs  to be  brought  back  to  the wider  culture of Wichita, and  other  places  along  the  River...  

At one time,  North High was one of a very small number of High Schools in the  entire country that offered canoeing  as part of  the  Phys. Ed. program...  

And  who can forget that the  original &quot;River Fest&quot;  was the North High Water Carnival...  Brings  back lots of  memories...  I  took part in  the  old  Water Carnival  for  a  number of  years,  in  Jr. High,  AND in  High School...  Great times!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben  &#8212;  I  remember growing up,  on Summer  Sunday afternoons,  the  many boating  enthusiasts  who would  get out on the River, and  have  family outings in the Parks&#8230;  It  was always  a great thing to see&#8230;  Also,  on the  &#8220;little&#8221; river,  when the old  Boathouse was  on Murdock,  and  they  rented  canoes&#8230; </p>
<p>It was great&#8230; I think its something  that  needs  to be  brought  back  to  the wider  culture of Wichita, and  other  places  along  the  River&#8230;  </p>
<p>At one time,  North High was one of a very small number of High Schools in the  entire country that offered canoeing  as part of  the  Phys. Ed. program&#8230;  </p>
<p>And  who can forget that the  original &#8220;River Fest&#8221;  was the North High Water Carnival&#8230;  Brings  back lots of  memories&#8230;  I  took part in  the  old  Water Carnival  for  a  number of  years,  in  Jr. High,  AND in  High School&#8230;  Great times!!</p>
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		<title>By: bth</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/reconsider-river-access-vote/#comment-570879</link>
		<dc:creator>bth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 15:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTH: Perhaps your canoes and kayaks could be outfitted with wheels and engines to be usable when the Arkansas River water level is down or gone. 

Not needed.  Reno/Sedgwick/Sumner counties there is sufficient water.  That is the ARCAP study area.

And JWink - a lot of private donations went into funding that study.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTH: Perhaps your canoes and kayaks could be outfitted with wheels and engines to be usable when the Arkansas River water level is down or gone. </p>
<p>Not needed.  Reno/Sedgwick/Sumner counties there is sufficient water.  That is the ARCAP study area.</p>
<p>And JWink &#8211; a lot of private donations went into funding that study.</p>
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		<title>By: JWink</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/reconsider-river-access-vote/#comment-570878</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 15:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s that saying, something to the effect, &quot;Ordinary people make ordinary mistakes; people in high positions make extraordinarily big disasterous mistakes.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s that saying, something to the effect, &#8220;Ordinary people make ordinary mistakes; people in high positions make extraordinarily big disasterous mistakes.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: bth</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/reconsider-river-access-vote/#comment-570877</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 15:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately I was not at the meeting.  A few others did get wind of it.  

By the way - Kelly Parks has indicated he plans another such &#039;star chamber&#039; hearing for the area south of 53rd St but will not divulge when.  As I noted - their agenda is the complete conversion of this pubic waterway to their private constituents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately I was not at the meeting.  A few others did get wind of it.  </p>
<p>By the way &#8211; Kelly Parks has indicated he plans another such &#8217;star chamber&#8217; hearing for the area south of 53rd St but will not divulge when.  As I noted &#8211; their agenda is the complete conversion of this pubic waterway to their private constituents.</p>
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		<title>By: JWink</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/reconsider-river-access-vote/#comment-570875</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 15:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTH:  Perhaps your canoes and kayaks could be outfitted with wheels and engines to be usable when the Arkansas River water level is down or gone.   

Actually friends in Dodge City tell me the totally dry sandy Arkansas River channel out there is mostly used by off-road vehicles for racing, etc.  Next month, I hope to drive west to Greensburg, then north to Highway 50 and west into Kinsley to see where the Arkansas River begins to pick up water.  Then perhaps down to Dodge City to follow Highway 56 southwestward to Montezuma and Satanta.  My parents bought a gasoline service station in Satanta in 1935 as the western Kansas dust storms zeroed in there. 

The disasterous &quot;Gov. Mark Parkinson coal fired power plant&quot; he just approved for Holcomb/Garden City will go a long way towards bringing back those dust storms of yesteryear and bleached bones of cattle carcasses in the dry arroyos of the western Kansas counties of Finney, Ford, Scott and Gove counties.  

But not to worry, Parkinson will be long gone by the time the power plant is put on line ... another Kansas &quot;music man&quot; taking the money and not producing any band uniforms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTH:  Perhaps your canoes and kayaks could be outfitted with wheels and engines to be usable when the Arkansas River water level is down or gone.   </p>
<p>Actually friends in Dodge City tell me the totally dry sandy Arkansas River channel out there is mostly used by off-road vehicles for racing, etc.  Next month, I hope to drive west to Greensburg, then north to Highway 50 and west into Kinsley to see where the Arkansas River begins to pick up water.  Then perhaps down to Dodge City to follow Highway 56 southwestward to Montezuma and Satanta.  My parents bought a gasoline service station in Satanta in 1935 as the western Kansas dust storms zeroed in there. </p>
<p>The disasterous &#8220;Gov. Mark Parkinson coal fired power plant&#8221; he just approved for Holcomb/Garden City will go a long way towards bringing back those dust storms of yesteryear and bleached bones of cattle carcasses in the dry arroyos of the western Kansas counties of Finney, Ford, Scott and Gove counties.  </p>
<p>But not to worry, Parkinson will be long gone by the time the power plant is put on line &#8230; another Kansas &#8220;music man&#8221; taking the money and not producing any band uniforms.</p>
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		<title>By: XXX</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/reconsider-river-access-vote/#comment-570852</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 14:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As ever, it&#039;s the money. The moneyed landowners get the first place at the table. In this country, you get the best law-making that money can buy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As ever, it&#8217;s the money. The moneyed landowners get the first place at the table. In this country, you get the best law-making that money can buy.</p>
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		<title>By: BlueJay</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/reconsider-river-access-vote/#comment-570831</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 14:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GOOD on you for being at that rather surprise of a meeting the other day there bth. I read all about it in the paper. Sneaky stuff that on the council&#039;s part.

   It seems the landowners are better organized at advancing their agenda. Particularly when they get to decide when sudden, surprise decisions like this are made.

    I don&#039;t think it has to be a done deal. If more people KNEW what was really going on and knew when the meetings were, the council might be forced to make a better, or at least more representative decision.

    Don&#039;t give up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOOD on you for being at that rather surprise of a meeting the other day there bth. I read all about it in the paper. Sneaky stuff that on the council&#8217;s part.</p>
<p>   It seems the landowners are better organized at advancing their agenda. Particularly when they get to decide when sudden, surprise decisions like this are made.</p>
<p>    I don&#8217;t think it has to be a done deal. If more people KNEW what was really going on and knew when the meetings were, the council might be forced to make a better, or at least more representative decision.</p>
<p>    Don&#8217;t give up!</p>
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		<title>By: bth</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/reconsider-river-access-vote/#comment-570822</link>
		<dc:creator>bth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 14:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BlueJay - you are 100% correct.  And THAT is the Parks/Peterjohn agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BlueJay &#8211; you are 100% correct.  And THAT is the Parks/Peterjohn agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Monkeyhawk</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/reconsider-river-access-vote/#comment-570816</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 13:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My experience with with canoeists in other areas of the country -- southeast Texas, California, mid-Illinois, etc.... -- was summed up with:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;They take nothing but pictures.  They leave nothing but footprints.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience with with canoeists in other areas of the country &#8212; southeast Texas, California, mid-Illinois, etc&#8230;. &#8212; was summed up with:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;They take nothing but pictures.  They leave nothing but footprints.&#8221;</i></p>
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		<title>By: BlueJay</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/reconsider-river-access-vote/#comment-570811</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 13:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;“dump where we want to. always have, always will”

   And they don&#039;t want eyes on the river to maybe report on what they are doing. That doesn&#039;t surprise me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“dump where we want to. always have, always will”</p>
<p>   And they don&#8217;t want eyes on the river to maybe report on what they are doing. That doesn&#8217;t surprise me.</p>
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