Pro-con on Sotomayor

APTOPIX Obama Supreme CourtAlthough Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor must withstand scrutiny from the Senate, barring some unlikely revelation of impropriety she should be confirmed expeditiously, in time to join the court for its fall term. Sotomayor satisfies President Obama’s criteria: experience, erudition and, as he put it, “a common touch and a sense of compassion, an understanding of how the world works and how ordinary people live.” Conservatives pounced on the empathy standard, arguing that it conflicted with a judge’s oath to “do equal right to the poor and to the rich.” But Obama’s point was that the court benefits when justices have a lived experience of the law rather than a more abstract appreciation for doctrine. Sotomayor’s experiences as a Hispanic raised in a housing project who went on to excel at Princeton and Yale don’t in themselves qualify her for the court. They do, however, complement her sterling credentials and equip her with perspectives that could illuminate legal issues that come before her. So does her experience as a trial judge, applying the often abstract rulings of the Supreme Court to particular cases. None of the eight justices she would join has comparable experience. — Los Angeles Times editorial

With his nomination of Judge Sonia Sotomayor for the U.S. Supreme Court, President Obama has abandoned all pretense of being a post-partisan president. While he may like to think of himself as a thoughtful moderate soaring above the issues that divide America, his actions reveal what hides under that hopeful lining. Presidents usually nominate judges that espouse their philosophy. So what does this nomination tell us about Obama’s true colors? Even the liberal establishment worries that Sotomayor tilts too far to the left. New Republic essayist Jeffrey Rosen reports that fellow liberals who have watched or worked with her closely “expressed questions about her temperament, her judicial craftsmanship, and . . . (they have said) she is ‘not that smart and kind of a bully on the bench.’” A suspiciously high number of her decisions have been overruled by higher courts. Wendy Long of the Judicial Confirmation Network said that record shows “she is far more of a liberal activist than even the current liberal activist Supreme Court.” Sotomayor seems to be the most radical person ever nominated for the high court. To continue to command public respect, the Senate will have to ask her some hard questions. The simplest one to ask will be the hardest one for her to answer: Given her statements against whites and males, can she be fair to all Americans? — Washington Times editorial

94 Comments

  1. Regular
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 7:19 am | Permalink

    Here’s an excerpt from the New York Times:

    “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race,” Chief Justice Roberts wrote in 2007, summing up his approach in one of the most memorable lines of his opinions.

    Samuel Issacharoff, a professor at New York University Law School, said, “There is a tendency to say ‘The time has run, things are different, change has happened,’ ” adding, “It is an emerging theme of the Roberts court.”

  2. Pedant
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 7:43 am | Permalink

    This whole discussion is moot, you know.

    Here’s why Sotomayor will be confirmed by August (and probably sooner).

    One, the GOP can’t risk losing Hispanics. And adding Hispanics as a natural GOP constituent was about the only smart idea Karl Rove ever had (Spain has always been, and remains, an inherently conservative culture). Lately the GOP has been shedding constituent groups like and old white guy sheds hair, but shedding Hispanics would probably be fatal to the party’s prospects in California, Texas, and Florida.

    Two, the GOP no longer has any politicians skillful enough to oppose Sotomayor without sounding rascist. Those people have either left the party or do not actually oppose her nomination.

    So the die is cast here, folks. Sotomayor is in like Flynn.

  3. Pedant
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 7:47 am | Permalink

    Losing California, Texas, and Florida to the Democrats means the GOP would never again occupy the Oval Office.

    Hence Sotomayor gets confirmed pronto this summer.

  4. lindainks55
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    I agree completely with you Pedant, but the Republicans sure are making fools of themselves in the meantime!

  5. Regular
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 8:16 am | Permalink

    Two, the GOP no longer has any politicians skillful enough to oppose Sotomayor without sounding rascist. Those people have either left the party or do not actually oppose her nomination.

    Bull carp.

    Even if a Republican Senator just mentions the word Hispanic, duh Libs will call him/her a racist.

  6. Pedant
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 8:23 am | Permalink

    lindainks55
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 8:13 am | Permalink
    … the Republicans sure are making fools of themselves in the meantime!

    It’s a trend for the GOP.

    Beginning with Limbaugh’s hilarious “Operation Chaos” (aka, the GOP ventilates its feet with high velocity lead projectiles), and proceeding to the nomination of Sarah Paln to its “loyal” opposition to President Obama, everything they touch turns to sh*t.

    I agree, though. The longer this drags out the more damage the GOP will inflict on itself. Looks like the GOP will be entering year 2 of providing high entertainment for thinking Americans.

  7. American_Way
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    Is this the one worth sacrificing the potential votes from 14 percent of the population but 25 percent of the live births?

    Is this one-for-one replacement of a liberal judge going to be the downfall of America, or republican ideals? Further the democrats have the votes to guarantee the eventual outcome.

    Learn to pick your battles.

  8. American_Way
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    ACORN owned union supports Sotomayor:

    “Beyond her brilliance, her three-decade career in the law and her distinguished record, Judge Sotomayor’s personal story of achievement has given her a rare insight into the lives of people who get up and go to work each day to make a better life for their families,” says SEIU Secretary-Treasurer Anna Burger.”

  9. American_Way
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    Judge Sonia Sotomayor is listed as a member of the National Council of La Raza, a group that’s promoted driver’s licenses for illegal aliens, amnesty programs, and no immigration law enforcement by local and state police.
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?f...
    La Raza means “the RACE”

  10. American_Way
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    Unions support Sotomayor.

    Judge Sonia Sotomayor, President Obama’s nominee for the U.S. Supreme Court, says she understands the “real-world consequences” of her decisions. AFL-CIO President John Sweeney says Sotomayor “has consistently interpreted our labor laws in
    the manner in which they were intended.”

  11. Pedant
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    La Raza means “the RACE”

    lol

    Hispanics have a long love of literature. From Cervantes to Márquez to del Toro, Hispanic love of finding truth in storytelling and their respect for the craft of fiction is legendary.

    I don’t care who you are, you gotta wince a little when you see a guy trying to attract smart Hispanics by hitting them over the head with his ignorance of the dual meaning of “race” in La Raza.

  12. Pedant
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    Oh wait, I guess he was actually trying to attract old white guys who might have a knee-jerk reaction to the word “race” used by Hispanics.

    Which makes things even worse for the GOP…

    lol

  13. WSClark
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    “and no immigration law enforcement by local and state police.”

    Enforcing immigration law is the province of the Federal government – local and state LE are not funded to enforce said statutes.

  14. American_Way
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    Actually, the name of the group was very thoughtfully applied by the organization which supports breaking American law. Take it either way you want it to (like I do). The race to protect illegal aliens or the race to ensure they are the dominate force in America, or their hispanic race.

    Keep throwing out bait Pedant.

  15. American_Way
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    “Enforcing immigration law is the province of the Federal government – local and state LE are not funded to enforce said statutes.”

    I guess cops should stop catching any crooks suspected of breaking any federal law, is that what you are saying WSCLARK? Please think carefully.

    Do you imply selective enforcement of the laws of our land?

  16. Pedant
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 9:42 am | Permalink
    Keep throwing out bait Pedant.

    …and you’ll keep ignoring the 19/0 hooks inside, yeah I know.

    lol

  17. Agnatha
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    The Washington/Moonie Times Editorial is an incredible piece of bullsh*t. The fact is, the Moonie Times would be writing in opposition to any Obama nominee. The Republicans see a Supreme Court fight as an opportunity to motivate their base. This is a third rail, however, because their base is a big part of the reason why they are the minority party, and appealing to them turns off almost anyone else, including potetentially much of the growing hispanic portion of the population.

    To the right wing’s end, saying that “Even the liberal establishment worries that Sotomayor tilts too far to the left” is a classic example of Frankfurtian bullsh*t. This is no far left liberal activist nominee (it would not surprise me, for example, if she runs to the right of the justice she is replacing, especially on abortion), and everyone knows this administration is not going to nominate a conservative activist judge, and that is the only kind of justice the Moonie Times would accept.

  18. Agnatha
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    Speaking of Frankfurtian bullsh*t, I see AmWay is throwing out red meat guilt by association garbage.

  19. Regular
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    The ‘jawless fish’ is hoping for a judicial activist on the Supreme Court that supports ‘gerbeling.’

  20. Agnatha
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    “The ‘jawless fish’ is hoping for a judicial activist on the Supreme Court that supports ‘gerbeling.’”

    Trolling early I see.

    This is all the soup you get.

    No
    More
    Soup
    For
    You
    Troll

    Re: Regular
    DNFTT

  21. American_Way
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    “and you’ll keep ignoring the 19/0 hooks inside”

    It takes more than a big hook to catch a big fish.
    Think: Trilene. 20 test.

  22. American_Way
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    “Frankfurtian bullsh*t, I see ”

    How dare you ever call others a troll.
    Your DNFTT rings hollow with everyone but you.

  23. American_Way
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    guilt by association: She is a member. Yes. That counts. Silly rabbit.

  24. American_Way
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    La Raza supports illegal criminal activity. This reflects on character.

    Besides, go read the Obama Administration notice on internal terrorist organizations. Shocking.

  25. WSClark
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    “Do you imply selective enforcement of the laws of our land?”

    Of course not – not in the least – but even IF local LE were to become aware that an individual was illegal, they would need to have INS deal with them.

    Immigration violations are a Federal offense, not state or local.

  26. JimJohnson
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    Regular
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 10:13 am | Permalink
    The ‘jawless fish’ is hoping for a judicial activist on the Supreme Court that supports ‘gerbeling.’
    ============================

    Wow, she’s into that?

    She’ll never get the ASPCA to support her.

  27. Pedant
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 10:22 am | Permalink
    “and you’ll keep ignoring the 19/0 hooks inside”

    It takes more than a big hook to catch a big fish.

    True, but it only takes a biting on a 19/0 hook to do some pretty spectacular damage.

    Like I said upthread, it looks as if we’ve embarked merrily on year 2 of GOP ca2009: The Funny Years.

    By all means, carry on. ;)

  28. BlueJay
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    Moot point.

    She WILL be confirmed. It’s a done deal. That’s how the votes roll. Aint a thing the cons can do about it but stomp their little feet and hold their breath.

  29. Posted May 30, 2009 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    The “La Raza” initiatives…
    National Council of La Raza (NCLR) works on a variety of different issues affecting the Latino community in the U.S. such as health, housing, education, workforce development, and youth leadership.
    NCLR’s Institute for Hispanic Health works to reduce the incidence, burden, and impact of health conditions such as diabetes, heart disease, cancer, and HIV/AIDS.

    The NCLR Homeownership Network operates in 20 states and provides counseling on purchasing a home and managing the investment after purchase. NCLR also has both early childhood and secondary education programs which stress literacy, college preparation, and parent involvement. The organization’s education programs also address the needs of Latino and English language learner students through a network of community-based charter schools.

    In addition, NCLR works to increase employment opportunities for Latino youth through its Escalera program. Youth leadership is also stressed in the Líderes initiative that links youth development organizations around the country into one national network. Through all these programs, NCLR provides technical assistance to its network of community-based organizations around the country working on the same issues.

    NCLR’s policy team also works on a range of similar issues including civic engagement, criminal and juvenile justice, wealth-building, housing, education, health, and that for which they are most well-known, immigration.

    http://www.nclr.org/

    SHOCKING! RADICAL! “Like the Ku Klux Klan” according to some right wing talking head on TV.

    Go ahead… Keep it up… Lose the final few Latino Republican voters…

  30. American_Way
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    “Immigration violations are a Federal offense, not state or local.”

    So you really are for selective law enforcement. Just those laws you think are important.

    Too bad for you. Polls show both libs and cons want are opposed to illegal immigration, lack of enforcement, and want something done.

    Like polls show most Americans favor marriage as between a man and a woman. Like Obama.

  31. Agnatha
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    AmWay attempts to snark:

    “How dare you ever call others a troll.
    Your DNFTT rings hollow with everyone but you.”

    You clearly don’t know either the definition that I am operating under for troll or bullsh*t (which is why I use the term “Frankfurtian”).

    A troll is someone who posts just to get responses, and does not care about discourse. Regular’s post that I referred to is an example of trolling. Anti also provides classic examples of trolling. They are, in fact, quite good at it. Other common trolls here include Chas. (who, I am now pretty much convinced simulates emotional breakdowns to collect responses) and for that matter Maggotpunk, who reliably taunts conservatives, particularly religious conservatives, by pushing broad definitions he knows will get a rise from them (such as when he launches a broadside insult against religious fundamentalists, taking care to include Christian fundamentalists, while posting an example of Islamist fundamentalist extremism). Then there is Boxlock, who simply trolls for responses by namecalling and posting insults. He probably isn’t nearly as intelligent as the four trolls I listed above, but on the other hand, an effective troll can also intentionally act as a dumb*ss to collect responses. There are other clear trolls and posters who are suspiciously trollish as well.

    A troll is not necessarily someone who posts flames or insults, although many primitive trolls (like Boxlock) do. However, there are some who actually practice trolling almost as an artform, and the four that I listed above Boxlock certainly would be among their number. There are also some people who occasionally make trollish posts; Hank (who will commonly troll by proxy by posting something from someone like Ann Coulter who will realy get the natives riled up), KsFarmgrrl (when she is on a heheheh roll in particular), Monkeyhawk (less frequently now, however, and again, don’t confuse snark with trolling), and some conservative posters when they are dealing with cosmos (for example, Nathan has posted trollish responses, but only to cosmos. And yes, I have on occasion posted a trollish post myself, such asyesterday, in response to buffon, which Anti and Regular chuckled at because it originated with Chas.-yes, guys, I already knew that, for example. However, snark does not equal trolling. For that matter, I find you one of the most ideologically irritating people on this blog, and yes, a Frankfurtian bullsh*tter who will find and post anything to advance your ideology, but you are sincere and I can not think of ANY post from you that I would label trollish. You are not a troll AmWay.

    As for the “bullsh*t” label, here is what I mean (from Harry Frankfurt, on bullsh*t):

    “This is the crux of the distinction between him and the liar. Both he and the liar represent themselves falsely as endeavoring to communicate the truth. The success of each depends upon deceiving us about that. But the fact about himself that the liar hides is that he is attempting to lead us away from a correct apprehension of reality; we are not to know that he wants us to believe something he supposes to be false. The fact about himself that the bullsh*tter hides, on the other hand, is that the truth-values of his statements are of no central interest to him; what we are not to understand is that his intention is neither to report the truth nor co conceal it. This does not mean that his speech is anarchically impulsive, but that the motive guiding and controlling it is unconcerned with how the things about which he speaks truly are.”

    The only quibble I would have with Harry Frankfurt is that I don’t think a bullsh*tter necessarily hides what he is doing, if he is so ideologically committed that he will use the google to find things that agree with him, while intentionally ignoring things he does not agree with. Ideologues tend to be reliable bullsh*tters, and I do think you are an admitted conservative ideologue (and in spite of what you might think, given my consistency in arguing with you, while I am many things, I am not an ideologue, and I really try NOT to be a bullsh*tter).

  32. okobserver
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    By Agnatha’s definition this is an example of troll bait.

    “BlueJay
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 10:28 am | Permalink
    Moot point.

    She WILL be confirmed. It’s a done deal. That’s how the votes roll. Aint a thing the cons can do about it but stomp their little feet and hold their breath.”

    So the libs consider Jr a troll. Just like the cons do.

  33. BlueJay
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    That’s just the facts.

  34. Agnatha
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    Speaking of Frankfurtian bullsh*t.

    “La Raza supports illegal criminal activity. This reflects on character.”

    La Raza is a huge organization with a large history. Some extreme rhetoric has come out of it, but also some very sound policy suggestions. That’s like saying that someone being a member of CPAC “reflects on their character” because of some of the radical nonsense that has come out of that. And of course, I can see you hitting the right wing blogosphere to support your claims. That is precisely what I mean by Frankfurtian bullsh*t. Some of the stuff posted would be true (technically), but it would also be embedded in exaggeration and outright lying.

    “Besides, go read the Obama Administration notice on internal terrorist organizations. Shocking.”

    And yet, the head of that administration selected a member of a terrorist organization. Shocking? No, just more bullsh*t. And the fact that Obama selected a woman who has been a long time federal justice despite her “membership” in a terrorist organization clearly indicates that the insinuation that comes from bringing up La Raza, both about her character and the woman herself, clearly identifies this as bullsh*t.

  35. WSClark
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    “So you really are for selective law enforcement. Just those laws you think are important.”

    Nice job of trying to twist my words, AmWay, but you’ll have to point out where I said that I didn’t want immigrations laws enforced.

    But to help you out, my position has never changed – I want the law enforced by the proper authorities.

    Simple.

  36. Agnatha
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    “BlueJay
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 10:28 am | Permalink
    Moot point.

    “She WILL be confirmed. It’s a done deal. That’s how the votes roll. Aint a thing the cons can do about it but stomp their little feet and hold their breath.”

    You’re probably right. So is this.

    “So the libs consider Jr a troll. Just like the cons do.”

  37. Agnatha
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Correction:

    “for example, Nathan has posted trollish responses, but only to cosmos” And Chas., I forgot Chas., but he invites it.

  38. Posted May 30, 2009 at 11:04 am | Permalink

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  39. Agnatha
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    Boy, I may have made some enemies today.

    But like I said:

    “On behalf of the League of Supervillains, Doctor Doom ordered that I pass this along:

    “The correct spelling is buffoon, dolt. ;-)”

    I have trolled myself on occasion.

  40. Posted May 30, 2009 at 11:05 am | Permalink

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  41. Monkeyhawk
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    Gee! Gordon Liddy offered this tidbit to the CONs’ all-out assault on Maria Sonia Sotomayor:

    Let’s hope that the key conferences aren’t when she’s menstruating or something, or just before she’s going to menstruate. That would really be bad. Lord knows what we would get then.”

    Really classy, CONs.

  42. Posted May 30, 2009 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    In fairness, we should consider the arguments against the judge.

  43. BlueJay
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    “To continue to command public respect, the Senate will have to ask her some hard questions.”

    The confirmation hearings. THAT’S what it comes down to.

    So FAR, the best the cons have on denying this woman a seat on the High court is ONE sentence taken out of context from something she said 8 years ago.

    As many know, I make it my painful duty to monitor the microphone marines in talk radio.

    The current whips for the GOP? Yeah.

    Even THEY are conceding that this nomination cannot fail. They merely want to make as much noise and light with it as they can just for the sake of doing it. We’re lucky the GOP is not in the place of nominating a Supreme Court Justice. THEY would have to run the nominee past Rush Limbaugh to even be considered.

  44. Agnatha
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    “Even THEY are conceding that this nomination cannot fail. They merely want to make as much noise and light with it as they can just for the sake of doing it. We’re lucky the GOP is not in the place of nominating a Supreme Court Justice. THEY would have to run the nominee past Rush Limbaugh to even be considered.”

    This is correct. The Right Wing Noise Machine has a stake (financial as well as political) in milking division and partisanship for all that it is worth, and a SCOTUS nomination from the Obama Administration is an opportunity they can not pass up (and yes, there are examples of left wing noise machines that do the same thing, but while growing they are not nearly as big a factor as those on the right, IMVSO).

  45. Agnatha
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    By the way, that post of Blue Jay’s I responded to just now?

    NOT a troll post.

  46. Agnatha
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    Should be:

    “And the fact that Obama selected a woman who has been a long time federal justice despite her “membership” in a terrorist organization clearly indicates that the insinuation that comes from bringing up La Raza, both about her character and the woman herself, is itself bullsh*t.”

  47. Monkeyhawk
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    “Agnatha” says –

    “The Right Wing Noise Machine has a stake (financial as well as political) in milking division and partisanship….”

    Yeah, maybe.

    I think they just don’t know better. They’re carrying on George WMD Bush’s bubble, listening only to each other and thinking they’re making points.

    (The Big) Dick Cheney is the voice of the future? Rush (”Hi, little boy. I’ve got Viagra) Limbaugh?? Gee! Gordon Liddy?! Newt (”How’s the chemo going, honey, and by the way I want a divorce”) Gingrich?!?!

    These are the CONs’ champions in this fight.

    Reminds me of Daffy Duck in this classic –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPt0sjn0jSw

    (That Porky Pig. What an actor!)

  48. WSClark
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    “Boy, I may have made some enemies today.”

    It’s all good, Ag, it’s just the blog ‘o sphere.

    But as penance for your misdeeds, you have to go mow your lawn.

    With a push mower.

    At four o’clock this afternoon.

    In a wool sweater.

    No Gatorade.

  49. WSClark
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    Was that a troll post, Ag? ;-)

  50. Monkeyhawk
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    Gee! Gordon Liddy offered this tidbit to the CONs’ all-out assault on Maria Sonia Sotomayor:

    “Let’s hope that the key conferences aren’t when she’s menstruating or something, or just before she’s going to menstruate. That would really be bad. Lord knows what we would get then.”

    Since then, from the CONs….

    (crickets chirping)

  51. Phantom
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    Yes, she’ll be confirmed, but this is a much needed and long awaited opportunity for the RW to raise a few bucks, and they badly need them since they keep losing party members.
    So, they don’t care how foolish they look, the need to milk the suckers.

  52. American_Way
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    ” AmWay, but you’ll have to point out where I said that I didn’t want immigrations laws enforced.”

    If you are waiting for federal agents to patrol every town, burg, and city in America looking for illegal agents – I think you will have a long wait.

    I know you libs look to your God Government to suckle from from birth to death, but reality is something different I’m afraid.

    Better, if any state, city, county, or law enforcement agency wants to continue to receive handouts from the federal trough, then they should enforce the federal laws. Else be cut off.

    But since they are receiving mommies milk, then they should support and enforce the laws of the United States.

    Your standard, “Let the feds catch the illegals if they want them” is just an excuse to avoid the law.

    Just an opinion.

  53. Monkeyhawk
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    From Thursday’s Kansas City Star –

    “A huge human trafficking ring based in Kansas City allegedly lured hundreds of foreign workers into low-paying jobs illegally and turned them into “modern-day slaves,” federal officials announced Wednesday.”

    “American_Way” would prefer we just let Barney Fife lose to slap around brown people.

  54. Monkeyhawk
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    “lose” s/b “loose”

  55. Posted May 30, 2009 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

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  56. Agnatha
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    “Was that a troll post, Ag? ;-)”

    Yeah, but it was funny.

    Good thing I had already mowed the lawn.

  57. American_Way
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    Behind the respectable front of the National Council of La Raza lies the real agenda of the La Raza movement, the agenda that led to those thousands of illegal immigrants in the streets of American cities, waving Mexican flags, brazenly defying our laws, and demanding concessions.

    Key among the secondary organizations is the radical racist group Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan, or Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan (MEChA), one of the most anti-American groups in the country, which has permeated U.S. campuses since the 1960s, and continues its push to carve a racist nation out of the American West.

    One of America’s greatest strengths has always been taking in immigrants from cultures around the world, and assimilating them into our country as Americans. By being citizens of the U.S. we are Americans first, and only, in our national loyalties.

    This is totally opposed by MEChA for the hordes of illegal immigrants pouring across our borders, to whom they say:

    “Chicano is our identity; it defines who we are as people. It rejects the notion that we…should assimilate into the Anglo-American melting pot…Aztlan was the legendary homeland of the Aztecas … It became synonymous with the vast territories of the Southwest, brutally stolen from a Mexican people marginalized and betrayed by the hostile custodians of the Manifest Destiny.” (Statement on University of Oregon MEChA Website, Jan. 3, 2006)

    MEChA isn’t at all shy about their goals, or their views of other races. Their founding principles are contained in these words in “El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan” (The Spiritual Plan for Aztlan):

    “In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal gringo invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny. … Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. … We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan. For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.”

    That closing two-sentence motto is chilling to everyone who values equal rights for all. It says: “For The Race everything. Outside The Race, nothing.”

  58. Agnatha
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    Remember what I said earlier regarding what AmWay would probably do?

    “And of course, I can see you hitting the right wing blogosphere to support your claims. That is precisely what I mean by Frankfurtian bullsh*t. Some of the stuff posted would be true (technically), but it would also be embedded in exaggeration and outright lying.”

    Uh huh. Here is the source for AmWay’s nonsense (of course, it could have been picked up by multiple sources in the right wing blogosphere by now).

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=13863

    Human Events is a right wing rag. And notice what the author of this article does. He takes a perfunctory slam at La Raza, and then immediately goes to a “secondary organization”, MEChA, that is really scary kids (think best Count Floyd voice).

    Right, and a long serving federal justice should immediately be tarred and feathered for her association with La Raza, which gives her a degree of seperation from MEChA.

    Another perfect example of guilt by association politics, and indeed, Frankfurtian bullsh*t.

  59. Agnatha
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    If Republican Senators were stupid enough to use Human Events type tactics, they really would be shooting themselves in both feet.

  60. Regular
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    The ‘jawless fish’ is all for compromise in the political arena – just as long as there is no competing party.

  61. Posted May 30, 2009 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    Umm — poor AmWay.. . first Obama took his guns, now the Latinos are going to take the rest away. Does Amway have real estate in Aztlan?

    Is Sotomayor a member of MEChA?

    Is he tired of ACORN and in need of a new boogey man?? This is so pathetic…

    All over a Judge that George Bush senior appointed to the bench!! LOL!!!

  62. Daniel
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if any Marines (remember, there are no ex-Marines) are members of the Imperial Klans of America, White Aryan Resistance, or the KKK? The sheer number of Marines in existence would suggest that one could safely assume that some Marines have found their way into one of these groups.

    Would it be fair to assume that American_Way holds the same racist views as some of his fellow Marines? Of course not.

    Will American_Way continue to smear Judge Sotomayor with the same BS ‘guilt by association’ logic? If the past is any indication, most likely.

  63. Pedant
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    lol

    Frankly, if you’re on the fence — do I vote Republic or Democrat? Hmmm… — then for your own good ignore A_Way.

    Put your decision on ice until the GOP emerges from the Funny Years.

    It may be a while, be patient. Or vote Democrat, that’s the option they’re nuttiness leaves you in the meantime.

    Again, though: concerning that “meantime,” try your best to ice AWay and his opinions until the like more rational elements of the GOP emerge.

    They gotta emerge, right? lol

  64. Pedant
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    their

  65. American_Way
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    “Would it be fair to assume that American_Way holds the same racist views as some of his fellow Marines? Of course not.”

    Not the same thing Daniel. I was a Marine as my profession. The mission of the Marine Corps was mission. Nice try.

    “Judge Sonia Sotomayor is listed as a member of the National Council of La Raza, a group that’s promoted driver’s licenses for illegal aliens, amnesty programs, and no immigration law enforcement by local and state police.”

    This is a voluntary membership. The mission of the group is to promote illegals. Criminals.

    Now using your rationale, I would not join the KKK because I disagree with their mission. Whether or not “some” of their members burn crosses on lawns is not the issue. I do not BELIEVE the KKK represents my beliefs. Regardless of A positive blood types join the KKK, I would not be affiliated.

    Further, a subset of the La Raza group, like the KKK supports extreme measures (e.g., the return of SW USA to Mexico). Again, if you join a group that burns crosses, whether you do or not – you are supporting that group. But my post on that subject really was geared to Pedants 9:27 am post regarding definition of “race”.

    Lastly, I have posted since the initial announcement by O’bama that there is really no point for republicans to fight a one party system.
    I have posted to choose your battles. This isn’t one. One lib judge replacing a retiring lib. Net gain is zero. Potential loss of hispanics by Repukes is great.

    So post on folks. If the balance was republican, you guys would be screaming bloody murder, as proven by past republican nominees.

    Your girl this time admits she will judge based upon her race. Beyond that, she is a member of an organization which spits in the face of US law regarding illegals. You can live with that.
    Law matters when it supports your point of view.

    Lib through and through.

  66. Daniel
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    American_Way,

    It’s no more fair for you to label MEChA a subset of the NCLR than it would be for me to label the KKK as a subset of the USMC.

    Immigration violations are a Federal matter and can be dealt with by ICE officers.

    I guess you are only a strict Constitutionalist when it supports your point of view, huh?

  67. American_Way
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    MSU MEChA and La Raza Seize Bridge on Campus

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLr7dcSLpoI

  68. Daniel
    Posted May 30, 2009 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    That was an interesting video….what does it have to do with NCLR or Judge Sotomayor?

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