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Oops, four more morally superior religious people were busted for plotting acts of terrorism. Thankfully they were too stupid and ended up buying fake bombs from the FBI.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/nyregion/21arrests.html?_r=1
Goodness, and nobody had to be tortured to catch these guys. I suppose we’ll have to let them go because, according to Brownback, Roberts and Tiahrt we can’t hold suspected terrorists in prison, because they are just too clever. Judging by this latest bust I’d have to disagree but compared to Tiahrt they may qualify as clever.
Lots of interesting energy analysis in this piece.
It’s Alive!
Alternative energy subsidies make their biggest comeback since Jimmy Carter.(but the best won’t need subsidies)
snip
“For instance, the Argonne National Laboratory has developed a technology it calls the integrated fast reactor (IFR). The IFR, which is cooled by liquid sodium rather than water, is called a “fast” reactor because it uses fast neutrons instead of slow ones in its nuclear chain reaction. In addition to consuming nuclear waste and plutonium from nuclear stockpiles to produce electricity, the IFR uses uranium with 100 to 300 times the efficiency of light-water reactors.
Backers of the technology argue that fast reactors could provide all the electricity the country needs for centuries, using only uranium that has already been mined. So far no such plants have been proposed for construction in the U.S.”
http://www.reason.com/news/show/133227.html
sorry, forgot the linky thingy
Heh HEH!
“NOT go well.
Nevertheless, it was DELIGHTFUL, by God. In the clip below, watch as Barbara Walters and Whoopi Goldberg pin Beck down for lying on the radio about an encounter they all had on the train to the White House Correspondents’ Dinner. Beck is forced, at first, to walk back his “mischaracterization” of the encounter. But then, things go ZOMGY as Goldberg calls him a “LYING SACK OF DOG MESS,” which is hilarious. Then Walters freaks out on him for claiming to be a reporter and yet not bothering to check his facts. And really, it just gets even more bonkers from there. Honestly, if you were to take a drink every time Beck comes off as totally disingenuous, you will require a new liver by the end of the segment. DO NOT DO THIS, OBVIOUSLY.
[WATCH.]
In the second segment, the discussion gets itself partially back on the rails, but only in that the show’s hosts are no longer venting their aggravation with Beck telling falsehoods about their train encounter. Beck talks about how he hates everyone in Congress and how everyone should resign. But then Beck gets stumped by a question from Barbara: “What are your real convictions?”
His answer: “I believe in God. I believe in the founding of this country. I believe George Washington, James Madison, Thomas Jefferson were geniuses.”
So there you have it. Glenn Beck really, really believes in God, the names of some Presidents, and that the United States was founded, somehow, at some point in the past.
UPDATE: Via Media Monitor Teri McCarthy, here’s the second part, which goes okay until Walters starts asking Beck for his convictions:
GOTTA see it.
Glenn Beck completely destroyed by Barbara Walters and Whoopi Goldberg.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/20/whoopi-goldberg-calls-gle_n_205845.html
“BlueJay” –
Here’s another great smack-down.
Olbermann vs. Limbaugh
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/20/olbermann-wtf-moment-rush_n_206137.html
Good stuff MH!
Limbaugh: The bouncing mound of reactionary sound
The correct nomenclature is: Limbaugh, His Gasbagness.
A lesser known radio personality, but who recently had one of his stalker videos on Hannity and O’Reilly’s show, gets beaten down by Air America’s Sam Seder.
http://airamerica.com/breakroomlive/blog/2009/may/20/garofalo-stalker-catches-beating-sam-seder
Over and over again it’s proven that conservatives can’t actually debate the issues with a liberal. Even professional gasbags get pwned every time by a liberal. That probably explains why Tiahrt always refuses to debate his opponents.
Did anyone else see this on Sunday nights 10 PM, KAKE news cast. (Paraphrasing – no context needed)
They were giving away a TV Station logo
umbrella to the one that writes with a good reason to have the TV Stations umbrella (I believe that was the premise) not making this up.
The anchor read the winners answer from PECK, KANSAS that said paraphrasing …
” I would like the umbrella because I would be better known / famous / stand out among my fellow PEC*ERS.”
Okay, “Indie” –
That’s funny.
On this date, May 21st, record setting temperatures for Wichita Kansas
High: 99 °F (1925)
Low: 36 °F (1967)
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Monkeyhawk
Posted May 21, 2009 at 7:40 am | Permalink
“BlueJay” –
Here’s another great smack-down.
Olbermann vs. Limbaugh
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/20/olbermann-wtf-moment-rush_n_206137.html
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Smack down!!!! ROFLMAO
Olberman takes his little silk glove and like Tiny Tim tip toes over to Rush with his little pinkie sticking out lightly taps Rush across the face.
I can’t wait to here Rush’s response later today. I usually don’t listen to Rush but today I sure will.
Air America????? Never heard of it. Oh wait isn’t that the lib radio talk show that failed after about a week on the air? No wonder nobodies ever heard of it. LOL
Don, Air America is still on the air. Clearly you haven’t been paying attention.
Senate to Approve Obama’s $91B War Fund Request
Fox News
The head War Monger in Chief has spoken.
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Maggotpunk
Posted May 21, 2009 at 8:29 am | Permalink
Don, Air America is still on the air. Clearly you haven’t been paying attention.
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Maggot I don’t pay attention to lib lies or talk shows that nobody listens to. So now I see that Air America has been bailed out by a very wealthy lib looking for a tax right off and it still losing money.
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/04/19/air-america-asking-for-donations-failure/
Next thing you know Air America will asking for a government bailout.
That’s funny Donny, because Rupert Murdoch’s news businesses continue to lose billions each year. I’m guessing he’s just looking for a tax write off. $6.4 billion in one quarter.
http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2009/02/05/20090205biz-Earns-NewsCorp0205.html?&wired
Air America though, is making a profit.
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Air America though, is making a profit.
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Was that before or since the bankruptcy?
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Kia, try thinking before posting.
WTF is with the Spam?
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donndublin
Posted May 21, 2009 at 8:46 am | Permalink
Next thing you know Air America will asking for a government bailout.
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This could be the first step.
Democrats seek financial rescue of minority-owned broadcasters
By Silla Brush
Posted: 05/19/09 06:13 PM [ET]
High-ranking House Democrats are urging the Treasury Department to prop up minority-owned broadcasters suffering from a lack of capital and lost advertising revenue amid the economic slump.
House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) is leading an effort to convince Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner to take “decisive action” by extending credit to this sector of the broadcasting industry.
Clyburn and other senior members, including House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.) and Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), argue that minority-owned broadcasters are sound businesses, but that the recession could undermine the government’s efforts to diversify the airwaves.
A number of members from the Congressional Black Caucus signed the letter, too.
“While many jobs are at stake, a more important principle — the government’s fundamental interest in promoting a diversity of voices, including service to underserved communities — is severely threatened,” the members write in a draft of a letter that was scheduled to be sent Tuesday.
The letter comes as some of the biggest recipients of government bailout money, including JPMorgan Chase & Co., Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, jockey to repay government bailout money. As banks seek a way out from the government’s restrictions, other industries struggle and seek government support. Some firms seeking to repay the government argue that the government’s restrictions have burdened their businesses.
The congressmen suggest the Treasury Department could provide access to capital to minority-owned broadcasters, which they say represent less than 7 percent of full-power radio stations and a “negligible” ownership of television stations.
“They are looking for continued access to capital to continue their otherwise fundamentally sound operations,” the members write.
The letter suggests Treasury could set up a credit facility specific to the industry, similar to the government’s efforts to support auto suppliers, or possibly set up a program for bridge financing and government-backed loans until the economy improves.
“In addition to the credit crisis, also weighing heavily on minority broadcasters is a significant decline in advertising revenues, particularly the loss of automobile advertising,” the congressmen write.
The members are asking for a meeting with the Treasury Department and minority-owned broadcast entities and representatives from the National Association of Black Owned Broadcasters.
Other members signing the letter are Democratic Reps. Bobby Rush (Ill.), Edolphus Towns (N.Y.), Maurice Hinchey (N.Y.), Carolyn Maloney (N.Y.), Maxine Waters (Calif.), Gregory Meeks (N.Y.), G.K. Butterfield (N.C.), Barbara Lee (Calif.), Lynn Woolsey (Calif.) and Bennie Thompson (Miss.)
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Funny Hispanic outlets seem to be doing just fine.
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ANTI
Posted May 21, 2009 at 8:55 am | Permalink
WTF is with the Spam?
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I’ve noticed one thing in common is they all have URL links.
Block the URL feature or remove it entirely would be my suggestion.
Democrats seek financial rescue of minority-owned broadcasters
Damn racists.
donndublin
Posted May 21, 2009 at 8:23 am | Permalink
Smack down!!!! ROFLMAO
Olberman takes his little silk glove and like Tiny Tim tip toes over to Rush with his little pinkie sticking out lightly taps Rush across the face.
I can’t wait to here Rush’s response later today. I usually don’t listen to Rush but today I sure will.
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I’ll bet that Olbermann doesn’t roll around on the hardwood floor while wearing knee pads.
I’ll bet that Olbermann doesn’t roll around on the hardwood floor while wearing knee pads.
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BURN!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry, Donn.
(I still think Olbermann is a hack)
So ultimately on Olbermann’s part, that’s a No to Rush’s challenge.
Maggie, You’re going to have to provide a link to show that “Air America though, is making a profit”. You don’t have much creditability on that.
Donny, you claim you haven’t even heard of Air America or listen to it, so I really don’t care about impressing someone who works hard to remain clueless.
Good ol’ capitalism. While oil inventories are high, and demand is low oil prices continue to rise because speculators are pushing up the price.
http://www.miamiherald.com/business/nation/story/1057972.html
Air America is represented in less than 20% of the nations radio markets.
I honestly didn’t know they existed any longer.
I suppose if I worshiped at the church of Olbermann and Maddow however I would have known another source for the daily bread.
Maggie, If Air America “is making a profit”, why were they recently begging it’s listeners for donations? NON-profit organizations do that to cover their operating costs.
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Mr_Kia
Posted May 21, 2009 at 9:16 am | Permalink
So ultimately on Olbermann’s part, that’s a No to Rush’s challenge.
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Mr_Kia,
I challenge you to not post on WE Blog until June 21st. See you in a month.
Olbermann, Rush, Hannity, Beck, and Maddow are nothing more than entertainers. They read/repeat what their writers and producers tell them to mostly with some personal opinion in the mix.
“I’ll bet that Olbermann doesn’t roll around on the hardwood floor while wearing knee pads.”
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I doubt Olberman rolls around either “on the hardwood floor while wearing knee pads” he’s too busy sucking.
You’re cute Daniel.
Are you as obsessed with me as Olbermann and the MSNBC pukes seem to be with Rush?
I’m not a big Limbaugh fan by any means.
But I’m not sure why a so-called political network spends the majority of its time bashing a commentator whose political beliefs are similar with a party that is right now obsolete in law making.
Legitimate political commentary would be on the law makers themselves wouldn’t it?
XXX
Posted May 21, 2009 at 9:31 am | Permalink
Olbermann, Rush, Hannity, Beck, and Maddow are nothing more than entertainers.
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BINGO.
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XXX
Posted May 21, 2009 at 9:31 am | Permalink
Olbermann, Rush, Hannity, Beck, and Maddow are nothing more than entertainers. They read/repeat what their writers and producers tell them to mostly with some personal opinion in the mix.
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Hate to agree with XXX, but he’s right.
In the info-entertainment business, it’s EGO over the TRUTH.
Donny, Air America isn’t asking for donations so why ponder your absurd notion? What they are trying to do is increase their subscriber base. Those who don’t get AAR over the air can subscribe to listen to podcasts, it’s not a donation, any more than than subscribing to the Wichita Eagle is a donation.
Thanks for proving once again that you are completely clueless.
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Maggotpunk
Posted May 21, 2009 at 9:25 am | Permalink
Donny, you claim you haven’t even heard of Air America or listen to it, so I really don’t care about impressing someone who works hard to remain clueless.
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Maggot, capitulates again and can’t prove that “Air America though, is making a profit”.
I think he just likes to lie which according to his lib world view is relative truth.
Perhaps you ought to listen to AAR sometime Donny.
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Mr_Kia
Posted May 21, 2009 at 9:32 am | Permalink
You’re cute Daniel.
Are you as obsessed with me as Olbermann and the MSNBC pukes seem to be with Rush?
I’m not a big Limbaugh fan by any means.
But I’m not sure why a so-called political network spends the majority of its time bashing a commentator whose political beliefs are similar with a party that is right now obsolete in law making.
Legitimate political commentary would be on the law makers themselves wouldn’t it?
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So ultimately on your part, that’s a No to my challenge.
Three minutes…..you couldn’t even make it more than three minutes.
I’m sorry, donndublin.
I just couldn’t resist the knee pad comment. I’ll never mention your knee pads again.
Do you make your living this way?
That’s the difference BRUTHA
Strip away the politics if you can.
It really was a pathetic example of Limbaugh whining like the fat kid on the playground who’s sick and tired of wedgies.
“Don’t talk about me for thirty days! Please?!”
What a wimp.
No, I don’t.
I guess the point is that it would be just as ridiculous for a broadcaster to allow another broadcaster to dictate the terms of his broadcasts as it would be for you to allow anther poster on WE Blog to limit your ability to post.
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Maggotpunk
Posted May 21, 2009 at 9:39 am | Permalink
Perhaps you ought to listen to AAR sometime Donny.
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I was only kidding about never hearing about it. Fact is, I did once when Al Frankin was host. My dog started growling and my cat hissed at the radio. Then I had to go puke.
NO thanks.
I would what Limbaugh did a “dare.”
Can you find something else to cover but me for 30 days?
Olbermann fancies himself as the Walter Winchell of the digital age.
He can’t come up with anything better day after day among his top stories than what Rush said today?
Limbaugh makes his living (a good one at that) by talking about others daily. Yet no one should talk about what limbaugh says? Where would limbaugh be if he hadn’t talked about Clinton daily during Clinton’s terms? He’d be a nobody.
Obama’s giving a very good speech about GITMO, the rule of law, and America’s former values (pre-bush). Says he knows the fear mongers will exploit the situation, how right he is, it’s all they’ve got, for that matter, ever had. Put Tiahrt and Brownback on the fear mongering list.
Put Tiahrt and Brownback on the fear mongering list.
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Better add the majority of Democrats that oppose closing Gitmo to that list.
Didn’t Air America spawn the next Senator of Minnesotta?
This is bound to be the Big Topic of the day, so WE Eagle, please make a new category for Obama’s Guantanamo speech.
Obama’s 5th Category of Guantanamo Detainees:
“– and those who cannot be prosecuted yet who pose a clear danger to the American people. Obama defined them as detainees who have trained at Al Qaeda camps, commanded Taliban troops in battle, expressed allegiance to Usama bin Laden or “made it clear that they want to kill Americans.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/21/obama-tries-circle-square-guantanamo-box/
Bush caught holy he11 for this. Obama will be praised as the next JC.
This is bound to be the Big Topic of the day, so WE Eagle, please make a new category for Obama’s Guantanamo speech.
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Let me guess, he blamed Bush for everything?
I love how the libs here are waxing eloquent on Limbaugh and Beck getting ’slapped down’ and in the real world they’re shutting Detroit down literally. Unemployment almost 13% in Michigan and on the national front:
“May 21 (Bloomberg) — More Americans than forecast filed claims for unemployment insurance last week, and the total number of workers receiving benefits rose to a record, signs the job market continues to weaken even as the economic slump eases.
Initial jobless claims fell by 12,000 to 631,000 in the week ended May 16, from a revised 643,000 the prior week that was higher than initially estimated, the Labor Department said today in Washington. The total number of people collecting benefits rose to 6.66 million, a record reading for a 16th straight week, and a sign companies are still not hiring.”
What is ‘the one’ doing to create jobs. How about saving the jobs that were there when he took over. Spending more money than any prez ever and still the jobs are leaving.
Despite what C Powell said people in CA – the bluest of blue states – said enough – ‘no more taxes’. They are leaving the state in droves. Businesses are relocating. And still the demos keep trying to raise taxes.
Thankfully some dems are finally standing up and saying ‘enough’ hence the vote on GITMO.
The swing is starting to move and the wind is picking up.
What?! The Daily Kos doeth Criticize THE ONE????
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/5/21/733994/-The-Fifth-Category-and-Obamas-Constitutional-Pragmatism
“The Fifth Category” and Obama’s Constitutional Pragmatism
Obama’s national security speech this morning confirmed his desire to codify the erosion of the Right to a Trial by Jury. The President set forth five categories of Guantanamo detainees and suggested that a different approach was appropriate for each. In addition to trials in Article III courts, military commissions for violations of the laws of war, transfer to foreign countries, and court-ordered release, Obama described a disturbing “fifth category.” Detainees who cannot “plausibly” be brought to trial, he said, should be subjected to a new legal framework, designed to preserve the rule of law and due process while permitting the U.S. to detain people preventatively rather than merely for crimes they have committed. He has not yet given details of who will fit into the new legal framework or what process they will receive, but it is clear that having training in weapons and having intent to harm the U.S. would both be grounds for detention.
What?! The Daily Kos doeth Criticize THE ONE????
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/5/21/733994/-The-Fifth-Category-and-Obamas-Constitutional-Pragmatism
“The Fifth Category” and Obama’s Constitutional Pragmatism
The “Fifth Category” suggests that Obama is interested in interpreting the Constitution pragmatically, not in absolute terms.
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No matter how the context of the modern world has changed things, it has not reduced the need for certain minimal protections against government intrusions on individual rights. Just as when the Constitution was ratified, the right to not be detained without a trial is the most basic right that a person needs. Obama rightly acknowledges that one of the primary reasons Guantánamo was a mistake was that it sought to avoid the reach of the.
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The Bill of Rights exists because we do not trust the government to make exceptions, even when it perceives grave danger. Obama’s “Fifth Category” and its proposal for a preventive detention framework could not be upheld under the U.S. Constitution, and should be rejected as a matter of policy.
Just in case the dims aren’t doing enough to damage private businesses they now feel the need to dictate vacation times.
“Rep. Alan Grayson was standing in the middle of Disney World when it hit him: What Americans really need is a week of paid vacation.
So on Thursday, the Florida Democrat will introduce the Paid Vacation Act — legislation that would be the first to make paid vacation time a requirement under federal law.
The bill would require companies with more than 100 employees to offer a week of paid vacation for both full-time and part-time employees after they’ve put in a year on the job. Three years after the effective date of the law, those same companies would be required to provide two weeks of paid vacation, and companies with 50 or more employees would have to provide one week.”
Dims – everything to everyone – hows that working out for workers. There are still a few still employeed!
ANTI
Posted May 21, 2009 at 11:13 am | Permalink
This is bound to be the Big Topic of the day, so WE Eagle, please make a new category for Obama’s Guantanamo speech.
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Let me guess, he blamed Bush for everything?
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Of course.
He inherited everything from Bush. Bush caused every problem on the planet.
THE real expose here, is how Obama is going to, or not going to, in this case, uphold and defend the US Constitution.
Even the Daily Kos criticizes Obama today on this. So what does THAT tell you?
I guess the dims are wrong about Cheney and his effectiveness in putting down Obama’s fight against ‘man made disasters’ or terrorists.
“WASHINGTON (CNN) — The same day Dick Cheney delivered a major speech on the battle against terrorism, a new national poll suggests that favorable opinions of the former vice president are on the rise.
But the CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey, released Wednesday morning, indicates that a majority of Americans still have an unfavorable opinion of Cheney.
Fifty-five percent of people questioned in the poll say they have an unfavorable opinion of the former vice president. Thirty-seven percent say they have a favorable opinion of Cheney, up eight points from January when he left office.”
Yep the swing is moving.
Oops, four more morally superior religious people were busted for plotting acts of terrorism.
Those would be Muslim terrorists. Think we have a war or two with them at the moment. What was your point?
“ANTI” begs –
“Let me guess….”
Nah.
I think we’ve experienced far too much of you guessing.
How ’bout you stop guessing and base your posts on facts?
I realize that’d get in the way of your political agenda. But it might make you a tad more relevant.
“Those would be Muslim terrorists. Think we have a war or two with them at the moment. What was your point?”
Maybe you could have found out but I suppose my post was a bit too long for you to read without assistance.
How ’bout you stop guessing and base your posts on facts?
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I’ll do the gentlemanly thing and allow you to go first, Monkeyhawk.
Government taking over Corporations obliterates the Constitution.
Selectively ignoring Due Process obliterates the Constitution.
Free Speech next? Right to Keep AND Bear Arms next?
Pick and Choose what rights to uphold, that’s what Obama will do. It’s what he’s always done. No big surprise there.
What happened to a woman’s right to choose when it comes to her child?
“SLEEPY EYE, Minn. (AP) – A courtroom clash between medicine and faith took a criminal turn, with police around the country on the lookout Wednesday for a Minnesota mother who fled with her cancer-stricken 13-year-old son rather than consent to chemotherapy.
Colleen Hauser and her son, Daniel, were seen as recently as Tuesday morning in Southern California and might be headed to Mexico to seek treatment for Daniel’s Hodgkin’s lymphoma, authorities said Wednesday night. They would only say the pair’s location was based on “reliable information.”
A court-ordered X-ray on Monday showed a tumor growing in Daniel’s chest, and doctors said it will probably kill him without conventional medical treatment.
Before she took off, Hauser told a judge that she wished to treat her son’s cancer with natural healing methods advocated by an American Indian religious group known as the Nemenhah Band. But even that group’s founder said Hauser made a mistake by running from the law.”
Nice comparison/constrast piece on Cheney and Obama:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2009/05/67104589/1
Cheney’s prepared text includes these gems:
“To call this a program of torture is to libel the dedicated professionals who have saved American lives, and to cast terrorists and murderers as innocent victims. What’s more, to completely rule out enhanced interrogation methods in the future is unwise in the extreme. It is recklessness cloaked in righteousness, and it would make the American people less safe.”
“The (Obama) administration seems to pride itself on searching for some kind of middle ground in policies addressing terrorism. But in the fight against terrorism, there is no middle ground, and half measures keep you half exposed.”
“I think the president will find, upon reflection, that to bring the worst of the worst terrorists inside the United States would be cause for great danger and regret for years to come.”
Obama the Hypocrite:
Obama defended his decision to release justice department memos detailing the Bush administration’s legal rationale for waterboarding, sleep deprivation and other harsh interrogation techniques. He said those techniques had already been publicised and he had already banned them.
“In short, I released these memos because there was no overriding reason to protect them,” he said. “And the ensuing debate has helped the American people better understand how these interrogation methods came to be authorised and used.”
He defended his decision not to release photographs of US-held prisoners similar to those taken at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. He said he feared they would inflame world opinion against the US and endanger US troops.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/21/barack-obama-guantanamo-close
(He released the interrogation memos to get Pelosi fired.)
“Government taking over Corporations obliterates the Constitution.”
I didn’t realize corporations were considered people. I suppose if they are people then it’s illegal to own them as that would be a violation of the Constitution since it forbids slavery.
Another dem dealing under the table – tell me it isn’t so? Guess when they get through with John Edwards they already have their next target.
“May 21 (Bloomberg) — Representative Jesse Jackson Jr.’s congressional campaign organization has paid his wife at least $247,500 since 2001, including at least $95,000 after Sandra Jackson joined the Chicago City Council two years ago, according to federal election records.
Jackson’s political committee also gave at least $298,927 in cash and in-kind contributions to Sandra Jackson’s campaign fund, which bankrolled her races for a city council seat that pays more than $100,000 per year and an unpaid position on the Cook County Democratic Committee.”
Across town, Cheney is about to get started with these words: “In my long experience in Washington, few matters have inspired so much contrived indignation and phony moralizing as the interrogation methods applied to a few captured terrorists.”
Update at 10:55 a.m. ET: Obama makes the case for banning harsh interrogation tactics this way:
“I categorically reject the assertion that these are the most effective means of interrogation … They undermine the rule of law. They alienate us in the world. They serve as a recruitment tool for terrorists … They risk the lives of our troops.” He quotes Sen. John McCain, his opponent last year, and some former members of the Bush administration as being anti-torture.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2009/05/67104589/1
Maggot why don’t you show us where in the constitution it says the gov can take over private businesses?
“To the very end of our administration, we kept al-Qaeda terrorists busy with other problems. We focused on getting their secrets instead of sharing ours with them. And on our watch, they never hit this country again.”
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2009/05/67104589/1
Maggotpunk
Posted May 21, 2009 at 11:31 am | Permalink
“Government taking over Corporations obliterates the Constitution.”
I didn’t realize corporations were considered people. I suppose if they are people then it’s illegal to own them as that would be a violation of the Constitution since it forbids slavery.
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I suppose Corporations are owned and operated by robots?
Seizing the property of stock holders is stealing from people.
Seizing property from car dealers is stealing from people.
What is it some people don’t understand about stealing? If the Socialism transfers wealth TO them and not FROM them, then it must be OK.
okobserver
Posted May 21, 2009 at 11:20 am | Permalink
Just in case the dims aren’t doing enough to damage private businesses they now feel the need to dictate vacation times.
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Again, The Obama Nation ignores our Rights of Freedom.
Their actions are designed to take complete control.
Heil!
okobserver
Posted May 21, 2009 at 11:32 am | Permalink
Another dem dealing under the table – tell me it isn’t so? Guess when they get through with John Edwards they already have their next target.
“May 21 (Bloomberg) — Representative Jesse Jackson Jr.’s congressional campaign organization has paid his wife at least $247,500 since 2001, including at least $95,000 after Sandra Jackson joined the Chicago City Council two years ago, according to federal election records.
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Culture of Corruption Continues…..
Governments confiscate property all the time by fines for illegal activity. There’s a due process clause in the Constitution, perhaps you ought to look it up. For that matter, where are corporations even mentioned in the Constitution?
May 19th, 2009 Posted By MDVet.
American Thinker
letter to the editor
My name is George C. Joseph. I am the sole owner of Sunshine Dodge-Isuzu, a family owned and operated business in Melbourne, Florida. My family bought and paid for this automobile franchise 35 years ago in 1974. I am the second generation to manage this business.
We currently employ 50+ people and before the economic slowdown we employed over 70 local people. We are active in the community and the local chamber of commerce. We deal with several dozen local vendors on a day to day basis and many more during a month. All depend on our business for part of their livelihood. We are financially strong with great respect in the market place and community. We have strong local presence and stability.
I work every day the store is open, nine to ten hours a day. I know most of our customers and all our employees. Sunshine Dodge is my life.
On Thursday, May 14, 2009 I was notified that my Dodge franchise, that we purchased, will be taken away from my family on June 9, 2009 without compensation and given to another dealer at no cost to them. My new vehicle inventory consists of 125 vehicles with a financed balance of 3 million dollars. This inventory becomes impossible to sell with no factory incentives beyond June 9, 2009. Without the Dodge franchise we can no longer sell a new Dodge as “new,” nor will we be able to do any warranty service work. Additionally, my Dodge parts inventory, (approximately $300,000.) is virtually worthless without the ability to perform warranty service. There is no offer from Chrysler to buy back the vehicles or parts inventory.
Our facility was recently totally renovated at Chrysler’s insistence, incurring a multi-million dollar debt in the form of a mortgage at Sun Trust Bank.
HOW IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA CAN THIS HAPPEN?
THIS IS A PRIVATE BUSINESS NOT A GOVERNMENT ENTITY
This is beyond imagination! My business is being stolen from me through NO FAULT OF OUR OWN. We did NOTHING wrong.
This atrocity will most likely force my family into bankruptcy. This will also cause our 50+ employees to be unemployed. How will they provide for their families? This is a total economic disaster.
HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN IN A FREE MARKET ECONOMY IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?
I beseech your help, and look forward to your reply. Thank you.
Sincerely,
George C. Joseph
President & Owner
Sunshine Dodge-Isuzu
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This is what is unconstitutional. Not in my America. The dims on this blog are dimmer than usual this morning.
okobserver
Posted May 21, 2009 at 11:15 am | Permalink
I love how the libs here are waxing eloquent on Limbaugh and Beck getting ’slapped down’ and in the real world they’re shutting Detroit down literally. Unemployment almost 13% in Michigan and on the national front:
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Gosh, you mean when Government takes over control of those Big Evil Corporations, that jobs (even UNION Jobs!) are being lost at the rate of 20,000 per day?
Attack the Corporations, lose your job.
Huh.
Maggot still waiting for an answer that shows you have actually looked at what you are writing.
Maggotpunk
Posted May 21, 2009 at 11:40 am | Permalink
Governments confiscate property all the time by fines for illegal activity. There’s a due process clause in the Constitution, perhaps you ought to look it up. For that matter, where are corporations even mentioned in the Constitution?
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What due process was given to the stockholders of these corporations?
What due process was given to the car dealer OKObserver cited at 11:41?
okobserver
Posted May 21, 2009 at 11:27 am | Permalink
What happened to a woman’s right to choose when it comes to her child?
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Would you allow a woman to starve her 13-year-old son to death?
Maggotpunk
Posted May 21, 2009 at 11:40 am | Permalink
Governments confiscate property all the time by fines for illegal activity.
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Oh, and give one example.
If it happens all the time, surely you can find one example where a Corporation was taken over by the Government for illegal activity.
There’s a due process clause in the Constitution
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I think what Maggotpunk is trying to say is that due process should only be given to detained terrorist.
And what illegal activity was being done by the Insurance Companies and Banks and Auto Companies taken over by Obama?
ANTI
Posted May 21, 2009 at 11:46 am | Permalink
There’s a due process clause in the Constitution
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I think what Maggotpunk is trying to say is that due process should only be given to detained terrorist.
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Right. Now I understand.
“What due process was given to the car dealer OKObserver cited at 11:41?”
I wasn’t aware Chrysler is the U.S. government. Starbucks closed a store in Wichita, I suppose you’ll blame the government for that one too.
Maggot Chryler is the gov. Don’t you keep up with the news. Obama and his men are now running it. So I guess it is the government.
Boy you have to move faster than that. You are being left in the dust.
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Daniel, actually I don’t even think it is right for a woman to kill her viable infant in a late term abortion. Just pointing out the hipocricy of the left in what they say is ok or not ok.
“If it happens all the time, surely you can find one example where a Corporation was taken over by the Government for illegal activity.”
I suppose you missed out on the Savings & Loan scandal.
Chrysler’s strings are clearly being pulled by Obama & Co.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aRyHgTljlyFI
The U.S. Treasury, which still is negotiating on Chrysler’s behalf with the company’s secured lenders, has little room to give the banks more equity. Fiat SpA would get 20 percent of the company to start, with the ability to increase ownership to 35 percent by hitting performance goals. The Treasury would keep 10 percent.
“Maggot Chryler is the gov. Don’t you keep up with the news. Obama and his men are now running it. So I guess it is the government.”
I guess I missed hearing Obama being named Chairman of the Board.
Separately yesterday, General Motors Corp. said it will be at least half owned by the U.S. government under a plan to slash its debt and cut dealer ranks nearly in half.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aRyHgTljlyFI
What’s that tell you folks, when the Maggot denies Government is controlling the Car Companies and the Banks?
1. He’s completely Ignorant of the events of the last 6 months.
2. He’s lying to defend his precious Obama.
Jimmy, the United Autoworkers of America is a union, it’s not the federal government. According to the article the U.S. Treasury has only 10% of the company’s stock. I suppose in your world having 10% of a company means being owned by the company. The UAW owns the company.
Is it just me or are the cons especially dense today?
Maggot, your being as brilliant today as you were with your Norway story the other day.
Who do you think is handing control of the auto makers to the UAW?
How much is UAW paying to buy the company?
When the UAW owns the company, then will it Strike Against Itself someday?
Who will the Union blame when the Union IS Management?
Maggot, you are completely irrelevant.
As for GM:
http://www.reuters.com/article/mergersNews/idUSN1943363120090519
GM sold stock to the United States government, it wasn’t confiscated. This was done to secure loans from the government to avoid bankruptcy. The agreement was settled in bankruptcy court. The closing of dealerships was a decision made by GM executives, not the United States government
It’s best to actually have the facts on your side.
Maggot the facts give a lie to your reasoning. Obama said the GM had to go. He went. He said the ’secured debtors and stockholders’ had to cave or be ruined by the White House press corp. They did.
What does your poor little mind tell you? WHO is in charge here?
The lawsuits are coming and all of the facts are going to be made public. The socialist has spread his wings too wide and they are going to be clipped.
That’s right Jimmy, lash out in anger because you have been pwned by a liberal once again.
The Boy King got up today and criticized the previous administrations policies in the war on terror…..why????…to please the fever swampers???
….while electing to maintain virtually all of those same policies. unCHANGEd.
The Man got up today and set the Boy King straight-
“Triangulation is a political strategy, not a national security strategy”
Cheney is a leader. TBK is a lightweight.
Maggot, maggot, maggot you have to get out in the sun more often. The stale air has frosted your brain. You are even more dense today than usual. Oh wait, you are just in denial like most libs on this blog.
The sunshine and my garden are calling my name and a conversation with you today is going in circles.
Your assignment for today – read something besides the leftwing rags and really find out what is happening in the world we live in.
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JimJohnson
Posted May 21, 2009 at 12:02 pm | Permalink
Who do you think is handing control of the auto makers to the UAW?
How much is UAW paying to buy the company?
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Actually, it’s the UAW pension fund which is receiving a 55% equity share in lieu of monies owed. If I remember correctly, they have one non-voting seat on the Board of Directors. They say they plan to sell their share as soon as it’s feasible to do so.
This happened before in the early 80’s when Chrysler was bailed out.
O’BAMA supporters make headlines in terrorist act
James Cromitie, one of four nabbed in plot to blow up two NYC synagogues, allegedly told FBI informant he wanted to do ’something to America,’ and ‘die a martyr.’ Fox News
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Maggotpunk
Posted May 21, 2009 at 11:58 am | Permalink
Jimmy, the United Autoworkers of America is a union, it’s not the federal government. According to the article the U.S. Treasury has only 10% of the company’s stock. I suppose in your world having 10% of a company means being owned by the company. The UAW owns the company.
Is it just me or are the cons especially dense today?
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The maggot is is especially dense everyday. Of course socialists a don’t comprehend how the free market and business’s are suppose to work.
He lies about Air America making a profit, then he denies that the government is not running private companies.
BTW: Hitler didn’t own the German companies in Nazi Germany, but he dictated what and how much they produced.
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Maggotpunk
Posted May 21, 2009 at 12:03 pm | Permalink
As for GM:
http://www.reuters.com/article/mergersNews/idUSN1943363120090519
GM sold stock to the United States government, it wasn’t confiscated. This was done to secure loans from the government to avoid bankruptcy. The agreement was settled in bankruptcy court. The closing of dealerships was a decision made by GM executives, not the United States government
It’s best to actually have the facts on your side.
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OUCH!!!! That’s gotta hurt, Jimbo. He just blew your stupid shiat right out of the water.
Daniel you really should do your own research before agreeing with maggot. There are ’stock holder’ the real owners of a public corporatin that were stiffed. There were franchise owners, they bought and paid for them, that were jipped out of said dealerships. There were threats made to the owners of ’secured’ notes that they would be ruined if they didn’t go along. The union, an unsecured participant here was given 55% ownership. Pension funds all over the country went bust because of this manipulation. So retired teachers aren’t as important as union auto workers?
What about this picture do the dems find so hard to see? You guys really are dimmer this morning than usual. It must hurt to see the big O batting zero.
China confirmed Thursday that it will demand rich nations cut greenhouse gas emissions by 40 percent from 1990 levels by 2020 in upcoming global climate change negotiations.
In a position paper published for negotiations to be held in Copenhagen in December, China — one of the world’s largest emitters of greenhouse gases that cause global warming — did not commit to any legally binding reductions.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.34524d91ed9226d24f193be246b20ea8.191&show_article=1
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China is the worlds largest emitter of CO2 but they want to dictate to us what our emissions should be.
cosMo must be proud of them.
Washington — The Treasury Department is preparing to announce as early as today that it will invest an additional $7.5 billion in GMAC LLC in a deal that could allow the U.S. government to hold a majority stake in the Detroit-based auto finance company.
http://www.detnews.com/article/20090520/AUTO01/905200376/Feds-to-inject-$7.5B-more-into-GMAC
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Just put the frog in the the pot of water and turn the heat up slowly.
Donn the saddest part of the China saga is that the big O will roll over and say ‘Yes we can’.
Who do you think is handing control of the auto makers to the UAW?
How much is UAW paying to buy the company?
When the UAW owns the company, then will it Strike Against Itself someday? [Johnson]
Question # 1 — This was a brokered deal.. Since the government doesnt own Chrysler, the government cant hand control to anybody. (And 10% isnt even close to a majority)
Question # 2 — Again, it is a brokerred deal.. And it isnt the UAW that will have controlling ownership… It is the RETIRED UAW Workers… So, they are not employees anymore…
Question # — Since the UAW wont be the owner of the Company, NO they wont be striking against themselves…
Ever hear of Weirton Steel?? When USX was about to go belly up, the WORKERS bought the company… The USW remains intact, along with all of the other unions that run the Mill… Strikes are extremely RARE now, because the Board of Directors is made up of former Mill workers. Binding arbitration settles contract issues… no work stoppage… no loss of income by workers… works pretty good!!
I suspect Weirton Steel would be a good model for Chrysler to follow…
Sometimes, Johnson, you need to take off your Bias Glasses, to see what is really happening…
Weirton Steel is Chas’ example for Chyrsler?
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/mar2004/weir-m13.shtml
US: Weirton Steel cancels health care for 10,000 retirees
http://www.makingsteel.com/weirton.html
The Strange Case of Weirton Steel
Lauded by ISG’s Mott, Weirton was left to “swing” by Mittal and Schorsch
However, toward the end of the century Weirton Steel had fallen on hard times. In the early 1980’s it was purchased from National Steel by the employees, thus at that time, making it the worlds largest Employee Stock Ownership Plan (ESOP).
Sadly this was not enough to ensure the longterm viability of the company. It finally went bankrupt in the early 21 century just short of its 100th birthday. By court order, the assets were auctioned with most being acquired by ISG.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weirton_Steel
Great model for Chrysler, and example of how successful employee-owned companies can be!
ISG Weirton Steel was once a fully integrated steel producer and one of the world’s largest producers of tin plate products. Founded by Ernest T. Weir in 1909 as Weirton Steel, the company later became part of the National Steel Corporation. In 1983, employees agreed to purchase the operation from National Steel and form into an employee-owned corporation. In the last years of its life, Weirton withered away and filed for bankruptcy protection in May 2003. The International Steel Group purchased Weirton and formed ISG Weirton Inc. in 2004. ISG was sold to Mittal Steel, who currently is in the process of downsizing the mill.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISG_Weirton_Steel
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http://www.flayme.com/troll
Chas
Posted May 21, 2009 at 2:09 pm | Permalink
Trolls are usually sad, lonely folk, with few social skills;
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re: Chas
D.N.F.T.T.
Say Chas, in your wunnerful Weirton Steel example, at one point, there were 14,000 employees at their Steel Plant in Weirton, WV.
How many employees are working at that same plant in Weirton, WV today?
donndublin posted May 21, 2009 at 12:54 pm
China is the worlds largest emitter of CO2 but they want to dictate to us what our emissions should be.
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‘Contributions to Global Warming: Historic Carbon Dioxide Emissions from Fossil Fuel Combustion, 1900-1999 ‘
http://earthtrends.wri.org/text/climate-atmosphere/map-488.html
I found Chas’ Weirton source:
http://www.converge.org.nz/pirm/own.htm
(This site describes Chas to a T.)
Another section from Chas’ website:
http://www.converge.org.nz/pirm/frames/united!f.htm
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/mar2004/weir-m13.shtml
Johnson doesnt much like socialists… except for when, ya know, he does!! LOL
Johnson, Weirton Steel, like many other heavy industries, has lost much of its former clout… Many of the former employees at Weirton, now work for the Japanese Electric fired furnace mill just a few miles down river…
Many of the former employees at Weirton, now work for the Japanese Electric fired furnace mill just a few miles down river…
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So your model was a complete failure.
Chas wants Chrysler to fail and it’s employees to work for the Japanese.
JimJohnson
Posted May 21, 2009 at 2:15 pm | Permalink
Say Chas, in your wunnerful Weirton Steel example, at one point, there were 14,000 employees at their Steel Plant in Weirton, WV.
How many employees are working at that same plant in Weirton, WV today?
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Take your time Chas in finding the answer to this.
It will take you a long, long, time to count the Weirton, WV Steel Mill employees, so take your time.
Great example of employee ownership Chas!
ANTI
Posted May 21, 2009 at 2:29 pm | Permalink
Many of the former employees at Weirton, now work for the Japanese Electric fired furnace mill just a few miles down river…
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So your model was a complete failure.
Chas wants Chrysler to fail and it’s employees to work for the Japanese.
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Yes, Chas’ model for Chrysler was a COMPLETE and TOTAL FAILURE.
SSDD
Trolls are usually sad, lonely folk, with few social skills; they rarely make what most people would consider intelligent conversation. However, they frequently have an obsession with their IQ and feel the need to tell everyone. This is so frequent, that it is diagnostic! Somewhere on the web there must be an Intelligence Test for Trolls – rigged to always say “above 150?
http://www.flayme.com/troll
JimJohnson
Posted May 21, 2009 at 2:15 pm | Permalink
Say Chas, in your wunnerful Weirton Steel example, at one point, there were 14,000 employees at their Steel Plant in Weirton, WV.
How many employees are working at that same plant in Weirton, WV today?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/open-thread-521-2/comment-page-3/#comment-577508
So Chas, the answer is ZERO.
Great example for Chrysler!
Chas was wrong.
Boys the dims are really dim today. Their arguments are even more groundless than normal. But after listening to the big O today I can see what is driving them. Fear – fear that they put a community organizer in charge of the country and he is a dismal failure so far and going down faster than the Titanic.
What is your IQ chas?
Chas
Posted May 21, 2009 at 2:34 pm | Permalink
Trolls are usually sad, lonely folk, with few social skills; they rarely make what most people would consider intelligent conversation. However, they frequently have an obsession with their IQ and feel the need to tell everyone.
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Chas you really shouldn’t feel so bad about this disorder. It is prevalent to the whole leftist movement. The other lefties have left you here all alone twisting in the wind.
The swing is moving and the wind you are in is helping it move faster.
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cosmos_originally
Posted May 21, 2009 at 2:22 pm | Permalink
donndublin posted May 21, 2009 at 12:54 pm
China is the worlds largest emitter of CO2 but they want to dictate to us what our emissions should be.
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‘Contributions to Global Warming: Historic Carbon Dioxide Emissions from Fossil Fuel Combustion, 1900-1999 ‘
http://earthtrends.wri.org/text/climate-atmosphere/map-488.html
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cosMo uses a link that is 10 years old. Since that time China has become the worlds leading CO2 and pollution emitter. If the trend continues, in 20 years China will emit 10 times the amount of the US and Europe combined.
This proves that the cosMo can give a rat’s azz about the climate. It’s all about socialism to him.
Daniel
Posted May 21, 2009 at 12:08 pm | Permalink
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JimJohnson
Posted May 21, 2009 at 12:02 pm | Permalink
Who do you think is handing control of the auto makers to the UAW?
How much is UAW paying to buy the company?
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Actually, it’s the UAW pension fund which is receiving a 55% equity share in lieu of monies owed. If I remember correctly, they have one non-voting seat on the Board of Directors. They say they plan to sell their share as soon as it’s feasible to do so.
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So who owns the UAW pension fund?
And why do they want to sell their shares as soon as possible? (A. They recognize a bad investment when they see one. B. They don’t want to get blamed when it goes bust. C. They need someone else to Strike against.)
ANTI
Posted May 21, 2009 at 2:37 pm | Permalink
Chas was wrong.
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G A S P !!!
okobserver
Posted May 21, 2009 at 2:38 pm | Permalink
Boys the dims are really dim today. Their arguments are even more groundless than normal. But after listening to the big O today I can see what is driving them. Fear – fear that they put a community organizer in charge of the country and he is a dismal failure so far and going down faster than the Titanic.
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Going down faster then Lewinsky even!
So who owns the UAW pension fund?
And why do they want to sell their shares as soon as possible? (A. They recognize a bad investment when they see one. B. They don’t want to get blamed when it goes bust. C. They need someone else to Strike against.)
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I choose the letter Squirrel.
In other news:
Barack Obama is giving Iran the time it needs to build a nuclear bomb
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/concoughlin/5363486/Barack-Obama-is-giving-Iran-the-time-it-needs-to-build-a-nuclear-bomb.html
Iran nuclear bomb would be calamitous: U.S. military
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The consequences of Iran acquiring a nuclear weapon would be “calamitous” and major powers must act together to prevent it, the top U.S. military officer said on Thursday.
Admiral Mike Mullen’s remarks came the day after Iran’s president announced the country had tested a missile that analysts said could hit Israel and U.S. bases in the Gulf, a major source of crude oil for the United States.
The United States and other Western powers are concerned that Iran could combine elements of its uranium enrichment and missile programs to create a nuclear weapon, although Tehran denies it intends to do this.
“I’m one who believes that Iran getting a nuclear weapon is calamitous for the region and for the world,” Mullen, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE54K5LI20090521
O’Bama is opening the windows for a terrorist attack on the USA.
BTW O’Bama, WTG on Iran numb nuts.
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Wake up Obama!
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Iran!
Wake up Obama!
(He’s busy multi-tasking….)
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ANTI
Posted May 21, 2009 at 3:24 pm | Permalink
O’Bama is opening the windows for a terrorist attack on the USA.
BTW O’Bama, WTG on Iran numb nuts.
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No worries mate! O’Bama is gonna ‘TALK’ to them!
No worries mate! O’Bama is gonna ‘TALK’ to them!
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Schitt, we’re screwed!
(He’s busy
multi-tasking….looking for his teleprompter)Where is phantom with my market update?
Down 129.91
Dems Swat Down GOP Demand for Probe of Pelosi CIA Claims
GOP members lost on a resolution calling for a probe into whether the CIA misled Pelosi on waterboarding. Fox News
C O V E R U P ! ! !
Apparently the Board of Dir seats that the gov gets (3) plus the UAW (1) plus the Canadian govt (1), out of a total of 9 seats, giving govt & the UAW a majority vote in any on-going business matters doesn’t mean anything…or the measly 8% ownership the “car czar” Ratner managed to negotiate on behalf of taxpayers who’d already invested billions and are now going to give them another $4.5B, plus another $5B if they don’t go belly up before then.
Obama ‘Distracted’ by Biden’s ‘Indiscipline,’ Book Asserts
The president is so “distracted by his vice president’s indiscipline” that he has been forced to rebuke privately Vice President Biden, according to a new book by Richard Wolffe.
“He can’t keep his mouth shut,” Wolffe quotes a “senior Obama aide” as saying of the gaffe-prone Biden in “Renegade: The Making of a President,” set for release June 2.
O’Bama is more of a whiner than a leader.
Suck it up, nancy!
From Reggie’s link:
“This is partisan politics and an attempt by the Republicans to distract from the real issue of creating jobs and making progress on health care, energy and education,” said Pelosi spokesman Nadeam Elshami.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAH
Huuuuuuugh
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAH
HOT TOPICS BY THE EDITORS TODAY!
(Nuthin on Obama’s Big Guantanamo Speech)
-Late-night laughs
-Don’t let delay be death of land deal
-Church protected abusers
-Athletic corporations need more transparency
How many jobs has Obama created or saved so far?
City of Wichita Holiday Closures
Date: May 21, 2009
Contact: Communications Team
In observance of Memorial Day, City of Wichita facilities will be closed Monday, May 25. This includes City Hall, Park and Recreation Centers, the Wichita Art Museum and Wichita Transit.
CityArts will be closed Saturday, May 23 and Monday, May 25.
The Old Cowtown Museum will be closed Monday, May 25 and Tuesday, May 26.
The Mid-America All Indian Center will be closed Sunday through Tuesday, May 24 through May 26.
All Wichita Public Library locations will be closed Sunday, May 24 and Monday, May 25.
All Neighborhood City Halls will close at 5 p.m. on Friday, May 22 and will be closed Monday, May 25.
The Botanica Gardens will be open 9 a.m. to 5 p.m.
The Animal Shelter will be open holiday hours from 1 p.m. to 5 p.m.
25 until the end of the year, then those 25 will be fired.
Student Who Auctioned Virginity Online May Have to Pay Half Her Earnings in Taxes
WTF? Fox News
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520982,00.html?test=latestnews
Stimulus benefits are uniform
Number of jobs created, saved similar by state.
As President Obama signed the $787 billion stimulus bill Tuesday, the White House distributed its estimates of the legislation’s impact on each state and congressional district. The administration estimates that the bill will “create or save” 75,000 jobs in Indiana, with 8,300 of those in northeast Indiana’s 3rd Congressional District.
A news release accompanying the estimates explained they were derived from an analysis of the legislation “conducted by Christina Romer, Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers, and Jared Bernstein, Chief Economist for the Vice President, and detailed estimates of the working age population, employment, and industrial composition of each state.”
The estimates show a curious uniformity, given the widely varying unemployment rates and economic conditions among states and regions within states.
The White House says the bill will save or create 3.5 million jobs – a number equal to about 1.1 percent of the U.S. population, according to the most recent census figures.
In Indiana, the jobs that will purportedly be saved or created equal about 1.2 percent of the population; in Ohio, about 1.2 percent; in Michigan, 1.1 percent; in Illinois, about 1.1 percent; and in Kentucky, about 1.1 percent.
Similarly, the job benefits of the bill appear spread among congressional districts with exceptional equity. In Indiana, the jobs saved or created, district by district, range from 7,900 to 9,400. In California, the job benefits for all 53 congressional districts fall within a range almost as narrow, from 6,500 to 9,200.
Administration spokesmen Tuesday did not return a call seeking further explanation as to how the stimulus bill had been crafted to produce such a precisely equitable distribution of benefits.
http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090218/NEWS/902180349
ANTI
Posted May 21, 2009 at 3:45 pm | Permalink
25 until the end of the year, then those 25 will be fired
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Remarkably, Obama’s plan was crafted so cleverly, and carefully as to ensure an even distribution of jobs saved across the entire country.
If O’Bama is ’saving or creating’ all of these jobs, why is unemployment increasing?
Regular
Posted May 21, 2009 at 3:51 pm | Permalink
Student Who Auctioned Virginity Online May Have to Pay Half Her Earnings in Taxes
WTF? Fox News
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520982,00.html?test=latestnews
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Always get scre wed by the Government in the end.
(Suprised there are any virgins left.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhhkF3dqXR0
THE WHITE HOUSE SAID: The stimulus has created or saved 150,000 jobs.
THE FACTS: Since February, the nation has lost more than 1.3 million jobs, according to the Department of Labor. To make the case that the country created jobs over that same stretch, the White House has put forward a benchmark of jobs created “or saved.” The argument is that the job numbers would have been even worse had it not been for the stimulus, and the difference between those numbers is a net positive.
To visualize that disconnect, consider this: The administration has promised to create or save 600,000 more jobs in the next 100 days. Even if the nation loses another 5 million jobs during that span (a highly unlikely prospect) the White House could still claim success.
There are few hard numbers when it comes to tracking stimulus jobs. The Obama administration numbers are based on estimates by the White House Council of Economic Advisers, based largely on a formula Obama’s transition team put forward. It estimates the effect of tax breaks, government spending and social programs on job growth.
Spending money will put people to work. But spending has a cost. At some point, Washington will have to pay for this program, either by raising taxes or interest rates, and those policies typically hurt job growth. The Obama administration’s job data do not take into consideration this back-end cost, an omission some economists, particularly conservative economists, say is a flaw in the analysis.
http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=116&sid=1675213
LMAO Sol! :)
Tracking Obama’s Success at Saving Or Creating Jobs:
This post will track the 3.5 million jobs. There are a number of ways to measure jobs in the US. Some people work several different jobs at a time while others change employers frequently, so measuring jobs is not as simple as it might seem. There was a cartoon from the Clinton era showing the President speaking at a dinner that he had created 8 million jobs and an overworked waiter thinking that he had three of them. Obama’s economic team define jobs as use the payroll data (see here for their original report).
Just before the stimulus bill passed the Department of Labor issued a report (see here). The number of people working (see Table B1, about 2/3 of the way down, with the heading “Establishment Data”) was 134,580,000 (seasonally adjusted). This is a preliminary measure and will be revised next month and probably revised again in a year. Using the Obama team methodology, without the stimulus bill employment would be expected to fall by around 1,613,000 jobs during the next two years so that without the stimulus bill we would expect employment to be 132,967,000 in January 2011.
With the revised estimate of 3,500,000 jobs “saved or created”, employment should be 136,467,000, creating 1,887,000 in addition to the 1,613,000 jobs saved.
Nice table here: http://understandingthemarket.com/?p=63
Jim,
“(Suprised there are any virgins left.)”
This is a more serious problem than ever. We at STU! must get an accurate census of both Plains and Mountain Unicorns to present to the US Fish and Wildlife Service so they can be placed in the Endangered Species Program. The extreme rarity of virgins has made conducting such a count nearly impossible, since they can only be approached and tagged by a virgin. We have even asked the Catholic Diocese for the help of their nuns, but were declined without explanation. If we are unable to locate a sizable contingent of virgins soon, it may result in the total extinction of one of the rarest and truest wonders of nature, the Unicorn.
Save The Unicorns!
Trolls are usually sad, lonely folk, with few social skills; they rarely make what most people would consider intelligent conversation. However, they frequently have an obsession with their IQ and feel the need to tell everyone. This is so frequent, that it is diagnostic! Somewhere on the web there must be an Intelligence Test for Trolls – rigged to always say “above 150?
http://www.flayme.com/troll
Aw shucks Jed, I’ll volunteer to help search.
You can trust ME!
Chas, how many times are you going to post that carp today?
Chas, how many times are you going to post that carp today?
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Until,
yada yada yada….so mote it be.
Then 3 more times.
That’s my bet.
At least as many times as he says goodnite.
Mom kills her 3 year old in Playground.
Abortion is a moral choice that all woman take seriously. Obama thinks that all woman make the right choice no matter what since they all know it is a moral choice. This woman in Albuquerque suffocated her 3 year son, brought him back to life and then changed her mind and suffocated him again. Then she buried him in the playground.
Obviously, she thought about it. So that means she must have made the right choice. Thanks to justifications supporting Roe v. Wade, she made the logical choice that killing her 3 year old was a moral choice that she alone gets to decide.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/21/national/main5031423.shtml?tag=topHome;topStories
Chas back away from the keyboard. Your stroke finger is stuck on the send button.
You gotta love this one!!! Read to the end!
BEST COMEBACK RESPONSE OF THE YEAR
If you ever testify in court, you might wish you could have been as sharp as this policeman. He was being cross-examined by a defense attorney during a felony trial. The lawyer was trying to undermine the police officer’s credibility…
Q: ‘Officer — did you see my client fleeing the scene?’
A: ‘No sir. But I subsequently observed a person matching the description of the offender, running several blocks away.’
Q: ‘Officer — who provided this description?’
A: ‘The officer who responded to the scene.’
Q: ‘A fellow officer provided the description of this so-called offender. Do you trust your fellow officers?’
A: ‘Yes, sir. With my life.’
Q: ‘With your life? Let me ask you this then officer. Do you have a room where you change your clothes in preparation for your daily duties?’
A: ‘Yes sir, we do!’
Q: ‘And do you have a locker in the room?’
A: ‘Yes sir, I do.’
Q: ‘And do you have a lock on your locker?’
A: ‘Yes sir.’
Q: ‘Now why is it, officer, if you trust your fellow officers with your life, you find it necessary to lock your locker in a room you share with these same officers?’
A: ‘You see, sir — we share the building with the court complex, and sometimes lawyers have been known to walk through that room.’
The courtroom EXPLODED with laughter, and a prompt recess was called. The officer on the stand has been nominated for this year’s ‘Best Comeback’ line — and we think he’ll win
Trolls are usually lonely folk, with few social skills; they rarely make what most people would consider intelligent conversation. However, they frequently have an obsession with their IQ and feel the need to tell everyone. This is so frequent, that it is diagnostic! Somewhere on the web there must be an Intelligence Test for Trolls – rigged to always say “above 150?
http://www.flayme.com/troll
Good post Chas.
Ooops.
Spoke too soon.
Chas, that post keeps falling out of your diaper.
I hope it’s time for a change.
I was going to compliment you Chas, but then you did this:
Chas
Posted May 21, 2009 at 4:46 pm | Permalink
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CHAS IS A FReeaKING LYING TROLl!!!!
ANTI — Shhhh!! Dont tell everybody we’re related!! Geez!!
Chas,
I’m just pulling your prehensile tail.
Last week, a sobbing Texas man leaving Tiller’s Wichita, KS abortion mill was consoled briefly by pro-lifers, after he had followed his wife there from Texas in another vehicle. He was unsuccessful at stopping her abortion of twin babies who had tested positive for the possibility of Down Syndrome.
A serum screening test has a 5-to-8% false positive rate. Eugenicist quacks often prod mothers into unwanted abortions in such screening tests with positive results, without bothering to provide them with full information.
If these twins were destined to be afflicted with a disability, though, Obamanation will be elated that there are two less to burden America’s health care systems with predictable heart and vision and learning problems, and two less that could probably eventually embarrass him by beating his bowling score, and by showing more love for their fellow human beings.
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Washington Gov. Chris Gregoire, who has claimed to be a Catholic, at a NARAL fundraising event Monday told attendees that the state was “blessed” to have Washington NARAL there leading the charge for unlimited abortions. Gregoire has also tried to force pro-life pharmacists to dispense the morning after abortifacient against their rights of conscience. However, U.S. District Judge Ronald Leighton ruled that pharmacists can refuse to fill a prescription for the morning after pill or other objectionable drugs if they refer the customer to another store where they can get the order filled.
[If rights of conscience exist, then they preclude any such false requirement to make referrals for abortifacient prescriptions.]
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Louisiana nurse Toni Lemly won her battle at the state Supreme Court last Friday when it refused to hear a hospital’s appeal of a lower court decision. Lemly sued St. Tammany Parish Hospital in 2005 after it refused to grant a reasonable accommodation for her religious beliefs against administering morning after abortifacients, costing her loss of full-time working hours, pay, and benefits, a violation of her rights as a valuable, principled employee.
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In a new Rasmussen poll, 58% of Americans think most abortions are morally wrong. 64% of American women think that, compared to 51% of men. Men, whether they are the husband, boyfriend, employer, landlord, coach, counselor, or eugenicist quack, often coerce abortions. Abortions are rarely ever decided by just a mother and her abortionist quack.
Trolls are usually sad and lonely folk, with few social skills; they rarely make what most people would consider intelligent conversation. However, they frequently have an obsession with their IQ and feel the need to tell everyone. This is so frequent, that it is diagnostic! Somewhere on the web there must be an Intelligence Test for Trolls – rigged to always say “above 150?
http://www.flayme.com/troll
Parkay — Maybe you should move to the PORTH POLE — Kansas is getting pretty warm now, and before you know it, your fake butter will melt, and turn you into one big drip…..
Oooops, sorry… I SEE IT ALREADY HAS!!
PORTH POLE S/B NORTH POLE
Say Chas, in your wunnerful Weirton Steel example, at one point, there were 14,000 employees at their Steel Plant in Weirton, WV.
How many employees are working at that same plant in Weirton, WV today?
Are you too busy trolling to answer?
Rush on a roll today, with his little hard and quick stories on what is happening in the USA. Cars,libs, nuclear plants and it’s all right here just a click way.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_052109/content/01125104.guest.html
Chas, here’s another comeback to add to the mix:
FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
So, General Cosgrove, what things are you going to teach these young boys when they visit your base?
GENERAL COSGROVE:
We’re going to teach them climbing, canoeing, archery and shooting.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
Shooting! That’s a bit irresponsible, isn’t it?
GENERAL COSGROVE:
I don’t see why, they’ll be properly supervised on the rifle range.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
Don’t you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
GENERAL COSGROVE:
I don’t see how. We will be teaching them proper rifle discipline before they even touch a firearm.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
But you’re equipping them to become violent killers.
GENERAL COSGROVE:
Well, Ma’am, you’re equipped to be a prostitute, but you’re not one, are you?
The radio went silent.
“He was unsuccessful at stopping her abortion of twin babies who had tested positive for the possibility of Down Syndrome.”
I suspect this man’s problem is more a control issue over the mother. That is his problem. He doesn’t get to make it every one else’s. If he followed her all the way from Texas, her life may be in danger and she should seek a restraining order.
Oh and by the way parkay?
Without citing a source or providing a link, your little story is just that.
Bluejay it could also have been a loving father who was prepared to love his children even if they weren’t perfect.
Jed
Posted May 21, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Save The Unicorns!(STU)
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Jed, perhaps you should contact Chas, he’s a member of the diaspora STFU.
“after he had followed his wife there from Texas in another vehicle.”
What is it to Texas? About 500 miles?
If they didn’t make this decision together, SO much so that the woman traveled here alone with him on her tail the whole way, theirs is a marriage that is doomed. I maintain, the fetuses were what he would use to hold her. They meant nothing more to him than that whether he admits that to himself or not. He would have thus been a very poor parent.
“contact Chas, he’s a member of the diaspora STFU.”
Does anyone remember what Chas finally came up with for what he said SFFU stood for?
As I recall it took him about a week to find some off the wall material to cover his *ss.
Can’t remember what it was. I do remember the contest for everyone else to come up with the best alternative meaning. I still like
See
The
Funny
Unicorn
best.
What no thread on the President of the United States getting disked by his own Congress?
If this was, was, whats-his-name, you know darn well it would be front page material. Libs would be masterb*ting all over it.
Darn liberal press. They are no fun.
Stand
The
Floor
UP
BJ I don’t know why people spend months and even years in couseling. They could put a paragraph in a blog and you could diagnose and solve all of their problems. This could be a money maker for you.
Amway,
Unicorns are not only beautiful creatures, they may be invaluable to the world as well. The larger Plains Unicorn has red and gold pigmentation on the tip of its horn that contains a catalyst shown extremely effective (only while the unicorn remains alive and attached to the horn) in restoring highly chemically and bacterially contaminated water sources to their original state of purity. Given the state of many of our water resources, this could save untold thousands of lives.
The smaller and rarer Northern Rocky Mountain Unicorn has not been sufficiently researched to know with certainty what benefits may accrue from its continued existence, but as breeding stocks may already be too low to prevent its extinction, we may not have the opportunity to find out.
We need virgins, and we need them soon to conduct the required census. Mr. Johnson has offered to aid us in our quest, stating that we can trust him to maintain the virginity of any young women he might find. Are there any here who can vouch with absolute certainty for his trustworthiness in such matters?
Are you suggesting that a marriage made up of a woman who flees her husband across two state lines and a man who pursues her is a healthy one?
Ya don’t have to be Joyce Brothers on this one.
As a candidate, Mr. Obama promised to end the Iraq war by withdrawing all troops by March 2009. As president, he set a slower pace of drawdown. He has also said he will leave as many as 50,000 Americans troops there.
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HEY, Libs, how does it feel to be lied to?
I’ll vouch for JJ. Any virgin would be in very good hands with this Johnson.
The unicorn is too precious to loose.
A woman in the final stages of a pregnancy is very hormonal hence unpredictable, overly emotional and unstable in many ways. You as a man wouldn’t know this but as the mother of three I can vouch for its truthfuless.
A concerned husband would certainly follow his unstable wife trying to stop her from making an emotional decision she might certainly regret later.
Much much here we don’t know and you jumped to a premature conclusion that was based on your own bias. Easy enough to do. This is why strangers should stay out of others personal business unless invited in.
BlueJay
Posted May 21, 2009 at 7:35 am | Permalink
GOTTA see it.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted May 21, 2009 at 7:40 am | Permalink
“BlueJay” –
Here’s another great smack-down.
Olbermann vs. Limbaugh
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Damn, you libs are ret@rds!
You libs are believers in comic books!
LIBs, the monument of HATE speech.
It would do the LIBs good if they would take off their pee stained styrofoam helmets and their Popsicle gooed eyeglasses and see the world for what it is….
P.S. No Unicorns or Mermaids.
“American_Way” got this up –
“I’ll vouch for JJ. Any virgin would be in very good hands with this Johnson.”
I don’t even want to think about how you came to know about “JimJohnson’s” …uhm… johnson.
“Parkay” made it our business when he posted the story here.
For what it is worth, I doubt the story is even true.
But HIS intent in bringing it here was to use it in his quest to ban all abortion. Probably why he left out the details, IF there are any.
YOU have further filled out in favor of his unstated evaluation of the story. That’s fair. The points you make are SOMEWHAT valid.
“Much much here we don’t know and you jumped to a premature conclusion that was based on your own bias. Easy enough to do. ”
Yup. YOU just did.
“A woman in the final stages of a pregnancy is very hormonal hence unpredictable, overly emotional and unstable in many ways. ”
I think you just insinuated the hypothetical mother was irrational.
It’s a long drive with little to do but think. Oh and worry about your husband following you. LOTS of time for second thoughts.
Just as lack of information works to your argument, it works just as well or better to mine.
Down syndrome occurs more frequently with pregnancy in older women. Perhaps the woman here is older. Maybe her life or health are in danger from carrying the pregnancy to term? We can’t know can we?
CLEARLY, the husband does not respect or support the decision of his wife. And it IS ultimately her decision and must be.
peace out.
Much much here we don’t know and you jumped to a premature conclusion that was based on your own bias. Easy enough to do. This is why strangers should stay out of others personal business unless invited in.
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Agreed. That also goes for people who want the government to interfere in the personal decisions arrived at by a woman and her physician.
“A woman in the final stages of a pregnancy”
And just what jumps you to THAT conclusion?
“You as a man wouldn’t know this but as the mother of three I can vouch for its truthfuless.”
Oh but I HAVE been involved with a Down syndrome pregnancy.
It was not my decision to make. But society would not have helped the mother or me in support for either her, me, or both of us make such a lifelong commitment.
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RightAngle
Posted May 21, 2009 at 8:32 pm | Permalink
As a candidate, Mr. Obama promised to end the Iraq war by withdrawing all troops by March 2009. As president, he set a slower pace of drawdown. He has also said he will leave as many as 50,000 Americans troops there.
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HEY, Libs, how does it feel to be lied to?
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When did Obama promise to have all troops out of Iraq by March 2009? Please provide a link.
Trolls are usually sad folks, with few social skills; they rarely make what most people would consider intelligent conversation. However, they frequently have an obsession with their IQ and feel the need to tell everyone. This is so frequent, that it is diagnostic! Somewhere on the web there must be an Intelligence Test for Trolls – rigged to always say “above 150?
http://www.flayme.com/troll
A quick search finds the benefit of the doubt favors me there okie.
“Down’s Syndrome
Down’s syndrome (DS) is the commonest single cause of significant learning disability in children of school age. It is caused by a change in one of the genes in the egg before it is fertilised by the sperm (at the time of conception). This is usually a completely random happening, though it is more common in older mothers. Throughout the world, the frequency of DS is about 3 per 2000 births.
Amniocentesis
Down syndrome can be diagnosed early in pregnancy (at about 15 to 16 weeks) by amniocentesis. This involves a very fine needle being passed into the womb, under guidance by ultrasound, and sampling of the (amniotic) fluid around the baby. It is done under local anaesthetic, and most women don’t find it too uncomfortable. There is a risk, however, of about 1 in 100 to 200 of a spontaneous miscarriage after the procedure.
Because of this miscarriage rate, amniocentesis is only offered to women deemed to be at high risk of having a baby with Down’s syndrome. Similarly, it must be something that you have thought about at length, discussed with your partner and feel that you would opt for a termination of the pregnancy, were you found to be carrying a baby with DS. Clearly, if this is not something you would consider, then you most likely would not wish to risk miscarriage, just to know.
Some
Trolls
F*rt
Umbrellas
:-)
See
Trolls
Fondle
Uvula
TrollShifting
It regularly frequents at least twenty news groups, including many rabid/sex/ racist groups.
Normally it starts off with reasonable, even witty lines, but rapidly drifts into lies, abuse and stupidity. It is a sad creature, deserving of pity, not anger. Any direct response simply feeds it, but it will go away if you ignore it. You may check it at:
http://groups.google.com/
I just ran across this at Mental Floss –
In September 1990, a group of drug crime suspects in Corunna, Michigan, received an invitation to a wedding from a well–known drug dealer in the area. Attendees were asked to check their guns at the entrance, apparently a common occurrence at these events. As part of a five-month undercover investigation, the police staged and advertised a wedding on a Friday night, figuring it was easier to make drug suspects come to them than to round them up. The groom was an undercover investigator, the bride a Flint police officer, and the bride’s father (and reputed crime boss) was the police chief. That evening, after the vows, the toasts, and the dancing, the band, called SPOC, or COPS spelled backward, played “Fought the Law,” setting off the cue for the evening’s real agenda. All the police officers were then asked to stand, and those who remained seated were arrested. A dozen suspects were booked and, by Saturday afternoon, 16 were in custody.”
Why am I NOT surprised?
I’ve used various parts of “Parkay”’s post as search terms.
I’m not finding the story.
Care to assist “parkay”?
Anyone? Anyone?
“CLEARLY, the husband does not respect or support the decision of his wife. And it IS ultimately her decision and must be.”
Not clear at all. He might have been very worried about her. The fact that he followed her all the way here without harming her and she didn’t stop along the way to alert law inforcement tells me this was a loving relationship and a concerned husband.
As far as the instability of a pregnant woman – Bill Cosby was out at the coliseum in the late eighties. The routine he did about his pregnant wife was hilarious and so true to life I couldn’t stop laughing. All around me I saw men and women saying he must have been watching us. If you get a chance listen to it.
As for our discussion. I see it one way and you another. Neither of us have enough info to make an informed opinion so I am calling it a night. Off to the Lake of the Ozarks tomorrow.
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Good One Monkey… Sounds like the plot for a “made-for-TV” movie I saw once… It was good!!
Monkey,
Law and Order: SVU once did a show where they caught a kiddie porn ring, by posing their officers as members and a leader of a sex molester “12 step” type group… When they had all of their admissions on tape… They sprung the trap, and took down the whole ring… Good stuff…
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good night’ good luck; god bless —
whatever you conceive god to be!!
blessings all!! (even trolls)
so mote it be!!
I’m going to point out- autism is 1 in 150. So that should beat out Downs now.
Pregnancy makes women lose their minds…yes it can…and very much so if it is a stressful pregnancy. But it doesn’t change the fact that she has the right to still make her own decisions regarding her care. YOu don’t sign over your legal rights to make decisions when you get pregnant. I suppose that is next on the list for the antis.
You can also never believe any of Parkay’s posts, he lies over and over again.
“The fact that he followed her all the way here without harming her and she didn’t stop along the way to alert law inforcement tells me this was a loving relationship and a concerned husband.”
My opponent is not about. But I will point out that she has no source for her assumption.
Indeed, as I stated above, I can find no confirmation for this story.
“Off to the Lake of the Ozarks tomorrow.”
I wonder if the prison labor she and her husband exploit to pay for her high living have the weekend off.
Blue,
Regarding Troyboy’s post:
“Last week, a sobbing Texas man leaving Tiller’s Wichita, KS abortion mill was consoled briefly by pro-lifers, after he had followed his wife there from Texas in another vehicle. He was unsuccessful at stopping her abortion of twin babies who had tested positive for the possibility of Down Syndrome.
A serum screening test has a 5-to-8% false positive rate. Eugenicist quacks often prod mothers into unwanted abortions in such screening tests with positive results, without bothering to provide them with full information.”
1. The serum test (which yes, does have some false-positives) is only the first of three tests, followed by a sonogram and amniocentesis. If a serum test is positive, any physician who wishes to keep his license immediately schedules the other two, and strongly counsels that no decisions of any kind be made until the result are fully in.
2. No place in troyboy’s post did he mention what stage of pregnancy the mother was in. Granny’s supposition that her decision was strictly hormonal is not only insulting to women but entirely uncalled for.
3. There is a myth that Down’s babies are just little bundles of joy. Half of all Down’s children suffer severe heart defects, only some of which can be repaired. Those who can’t be fixed suffer a slow and awful death. Further, Down’s sufferers usually need extensive and painful multiple surgeries to correct spinal and bowel deformities and to reduce the size of their tongues, and usually require years of speech/cognitive and physical therapy. They often require so much special attention that other children and spouses are left neglected, often destroying the family. The financial burden, often in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars worth of so much medical treatment that most health insurance doesn’t cover often contributes to the breakup of the marriage. In the end, assuming they survive to 40, Down’s sufferers usually succumb to early-onset rapid-progression Alzheimers. Not exactly the piece of cake they paint that glowing picture of.
4. Yes, some families do not only survive but strengthen in such circumstances. It depends a lot on their initial financial and emotional assets and liabilities whether they survive or destroy themselves and their children. It isn’t the state’s job to make the needed assessments and decide what to do; that is the duty of the parents. There are several options:
a) Continue the pregnancy and keep the baby or babies no matter what, in full knowledge of all the possible consequences.
b) Continue the pregnancy and find an adoptive family- a real longshot!
c) Continue the pregnancy and institutionalize the child. Private institutions are extremely costly, state ones are often hellholes.
d) Have an abortion.
None of these choices are ideal outcomes, and none should be entered into lightly. Only the parents have any idea what they may or may not be able to do or survive. Only they will know what is being sacrificed. Only they have the right to make whatever choice they do. Nobody, not even troyboy has the right to criticize that choice.
Well presented Jed.
Let’s see if “Parkay” has a rebuttal. If not, I’m thinking he is pretty much done here.
IF he wasn’t already.
Yeah, C’mon Troy, let’s see your stuff or your absence.
His last post was at 5:01 pm I say he was done then?
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