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Tax cuts for newspaper in WA. Hey WE get on board the news media helped bring on this economic downtown.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009212482_apwanewspapertaxcuts.html
Jesse Ventura says:
” [Water-boarding] is torture… It’s drowning. It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you — I’ll put it to you this way, you give me a water board, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I’ll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.”
heh-heh
SPPI’s authoritative Monthly CO2 Report for April 2009 reveals that:
(1) Unpredicted ocean cooling over the past five years disproves the theory that manmade “global warming” has a significant effect on the Earth’s temperature. None of the IPCC’s computer models had predicted ocean cooling. All had predicted ocean warming. They were wrong.
2) Rapid surface atmospheric cooling, especially in the Northern Hemisphere, has now continued for seven and a half years.
(3) The IPCC assumes CO2 concentration will reach 836 ppmv by 2100. However, for seven years, CO2 concentration has headed straight for only 575 ppmv by 2100. This alone halves all of the IPCC’s temperature projections.
(4) Since 1980 temperature has risen at only 2.5 F (1.5 C) per century, not the 7 F (3.9 C) the IPCC imagines. For 600 million years there has been no correlation between CO2 concentration and the Earth’s temperature.
5) Sea level rose just 8 inches in the 20th century and has been rising at just 1 foot/century since 1993. Though James Hansen of NASA says sea level will rise 246 feet, sea level has scarcely risen since the beginning of 2006.
(6) Sea ice extent in the Arctic is above the 30-year average, and has set a nine-year record high. In the Antarctic, sea ice extent reached a record high in 2007, and is now the third-highest in 30 years. Global sea ice extent shows little trend for 30 years.
(7) The Accumulated Cyclone Energy Index is a 2-year running monthly sum of activity in all hurricanes, typhoons and tropical cyclones. It shows that there is now less severe tropical-storm activity than at any time in 30 years.
(8) Solar activity is at a 100-year record low. We may be facing a 70-year Maunder Minimum – extreme cooling.
(9) Science Focus this month studies “data revisionism” – how scientific results are bent to promote false alarmism.
Are you praying correctly? Perhaps not, it’s apparently a real science. You have to have your head tilted corrected and your hands aimed the correct way to maximize the prayer energy.
http://www.spiritualresearchfoundation.org/articles/id/aboutspiritualresearch/SpiritualPractice/prayer/howprayerworks
I don’t know if it’s a joke site because some people take this nonsense seriously.
MP,
Looked it over- seems to be something along the lines of TM.
MP – Jed…
Looks like maybe a little bit of TM, a little bit of “Scientology” and a bit of influence from “British Spiritualism” — Not for blind faith, or weak minded for sure…
I have a hard time calling it science, but it does appear to use charts and graphs to show some possible correlations between activities(experiences) and results..
Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/12/senate-backs-allowing-loaded-guns-national-parks/
WASHINGTON (AP) — The House majority leader reluctantly agreed Tuesday that congressional hearings should investigate Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s assertion that she wasn’t informed, more than six years ago, that harsh interrogation methods were used on an al-Qaida leader.
Smokers, drinkers to carry tax burden?
If you make big bucks — or enjoy alcohol, cigarettes and Coke — the government might hit you up to pay for fixing the nation’s health care system.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22444.html
ANTI
Posted May 13, 2009 at 9:14 am | Permalink
Smokers, drinkers to carry tax burden?
If you make big bucks — or enjoy alcohol, cigarettes and Coke — the government might hit you up to pay for fixing the nation’s health care system.
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Soft drinks too…
All you Mountain Dew, Pepsi and Coke drinkers will be paying higher taxes in order to keep the revolving revenue door in D.C. spinning.
Soda Tax Weighed to Pay for Health Care
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124208505896608647.html
95% get a tax cut, my ass!
WASHINGTON (AP) – House Democratic leaders are scaling back plans to curb global warming and make the transition to cleaner energy in the hopes that they can get a bill passed this year.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090513/D9851SSO0.html
ANTI
Posted May 13, 2009 at 9:20 am | Permalink
95% get a tax cut, my ass!
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INCOME tax cut, ANTI…
These are called “sin” taxes.. the poor man’s equivalent to the rich man’s “luxzury” tax…
Since “sin” is a word with religious overtones, I dont think it is right for the government to declare something a “sin” — Hey, one man’s “sin” might be another man’s pleasure… Keep government out of religion!!
Keep government out of religion!!
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Keep government out my ‘tater chips!!
ANTI
Posted May 13, 2009 at 9:23 am | Permalink
WASHINGTON (AP) – House Democratic leaders are scaling back plans to curb global warming and make the transition to cleaner energy in the hopes that they can get a bill passed this year.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090513/D9851SSO0.html
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I like that idea… After all, cleaner energy helps with the global warming issue… even if you dont believe in man-made global warming…
LIke I said long ago, Palin’s future is with FOX, or at least with Murdoch:
“Palin, who was Sen. John McCain’s vice presidential pick, did not disclose how much she would be paid by the publisher, which is owned by Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp.
Who decided sugar was a “sin”?
It’s a shell game and the general public is stupid enough to fall for it.
Yea, I’m “lowering” your taxes (income).
And raises taxes on all other goods and services you consume.
“Keep government out my ‘tater chips!!”
Yea, that too… and out of Whoppers, and Big mac’s, and Pizza!! Allof those “good eats”…
About time we got the Government actually working again! It takes a village.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Science_and_Public_Policy_Institute
And while tehey are at it, how many smokers can sit in a “smoking place” some a few cigarettes or cigars, or a couple of pipes, and go out to their cars, and obliviously run into a school bus full of kids; only to claim they didnt remember it… :-)
All experts say we should have as broad of a tax base as possible and thus the lowest rates possible. Everyone should pay!
Tax breathing.
That’s carbon emmissions.
Soon as it can be accurately measured, it’s coming.
Monkeyhawk
Posted May 13, 2009 at 7:10 am | Permalink
Jesse Ventura says:
” [Water-boarding] is torture… It’s drowning. It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you — I’ll put it to you this way, you give me a water board, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I’ll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.”
heh-heh
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I’ll send Jesse right down to Wal-Mart to see if he can buy a water board. I think they’re next to the left handed screw drivers.
Don’t forget pot…it’s the real honeyhole for living up to the tax cut for 95% of taxpayers promise…besides, it’s for the children! Legalize prostitution, tax it too, and the govt will be at surplus levels just in time to get Obama re-elected in ‘12!
That’s carbon emmissions.
Soon as it can be accurately measured, it’s coming.
It’s those damn joggers. You know they triple their CO2 output???
Will the companies get carbon offsets for keeping their lawns nice? Planting a few more trees? If you are going to tax them on carbon output, you have to credit them for carbon uptake right?
Awwww, market not liking obama today Phantom?
DJIA – 142
World Food Program Wants Even More Money, Despite Ease in Crisis
A little more than a year after the United Nations World Food Program declared that the globe faced a “silent tsunami” of rising food prices and oil costs, the crisis appears to be over. But for the WFP the fact that the tsunami has receded hasn’t stopped it from asking for more money than ever.
WFP says it needs $6.3 billion this year, and roughly the same amount in 2010 and 2011 to feed the world’s most desperately hungry. That’s $600 million more than last year, when the so-called hunger tsunami was at its worst. And it’s considerably more than double the roughly $2.7 billion annually that the agency spent before WFP chief Josette Sheeran declared the existence of a food crisis on April 22, 2008.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520033,00.html
preordained1 posted May 13, 2009 at 9:49 am
All experts say we should have as broad of a tax base as possible and thus the lowest rates possible. Everyone should pay!
Tax breathing.
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Only if their diet is coal and/or oil.
Such RACISTS!!!
Chicago Family’s ‘Buy Black’ Experiment Becoming a Nationwide Movement
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,519965,00.html
Only if their diet is coal and/or oil.
Therein lays cosmo’s agenda. It isn’t about saving the planet or the climate, she just hates the fossil fuel industry.
ANTI
Posted May 13, 2009 at 10:22 am | Permalink
World Food Program Wants Even More Money, Despite Ease in Crisis
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So they can pay more ransoms to Somali pirates.
ANTI
Posted May 13, 2009 at 10:22 am | Permalink
World Food Program Wants Even More Money, Despite Ease in Crisis
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Avctually, I am surprised that the need isnt greater, after some recent conversations with several over-seas missionaries… not to mention the added burdens of wild fire and flooding victims…
Hunger is one thing that isnt likely to go away…
soldevvb,
Have a nice, big plate of coal, covered with 10W-30 oil, for lunch.
Bon appetit!
soldevvb,
And drink a couple glasses of vintage diesel. Bon appetit!
#
cosmos_originally
Posted May 13, 2009 at 10:34 am | Permalink
soldevvb,
Have a nice, big plate of coal, covered with 10W-30 oil, for lunch.
Bon appetit!
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Would probably taste better than that canola oil crap they cook everything in now.
cosmo,
Get al-Gore’s male appendage out of your… whichever orifice it is currently in.
Retail Sales Fall Unexpectedly in April
The Commerce Department says retail sales fell 0.4 percent last month, much worse than the flat reading economists expected.
Fox News
Sol – the agenda’s not hard to see in terms of Dems hate of fossil fuels. The vast majority of states that have fossil fuel reserves are “red states” (TX, AK, OK, UT, WY, WV, TN, KS, LA – they don’t care about W PA coal, because it’s sparsely populated there and their money’s in Philly), and unions have never been able to dominate that industry like they plan to with “green energy”.
Finally a plan that will keep both liberals and conservatives happy:
Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists and Obama supporters, et al:
We have stuck together since the late 1950’s, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has run its course. Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is right so let’s just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way.
Here is a model separation agreement:
Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes.
We don’t like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU. Since you hate guns and war, we’ll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O’Donnell (You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them).
We’ll keep the capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street. You can have your beloved homeless, homeboys, hippies and illegal aliens.
We’ll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO’s and rednecks. We’ll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood.
You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we’ll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us. You can have the peaceniks and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we’ll help provide them security.
We’ll keep our Judeo-Christian values.. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism and Shirley McClain. You can also have the U.N.. but we will no longer be paying the bill.
We’ll keep the SUVs, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Subaru station wagon you can find.
You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors. We’ll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury and not a right. We’ll keep The Battle Hymn of the Republic and the National Anthem. I’m sure you’ll be happy to substitute Imagine, I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing, Kum Ba Ya or We Are the World.
We’ll practice trickle down economics and you can give trickle up poverty your best shot. Since it often so offends you, we’ll keep our history, our name and our flag.
Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like minded liberal and conservative patriots and if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the spirit of friendly parting, I’ll bet you ANWAR which one of us will need whose help in 15 years.
Sincerely, John J. Wall
Law Student and an American
P.S. Also, please take Barbara Streisand & Jane Fonda with you.
DFB,
All the more help come 2010 and 2012.
SolDevVB
Posted May 13, 2009 at 10:26 am | Permalink
Such RACISTS!!!
Chicago Family’s ‘Buy Black’ Experiment Becoming a Nationwide Movement
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,519965,00.html
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They do know when that would have been easier right?
SolDevVB posted May 13, 2009 at 10:38 am
cosmo,
Get al-Gore’s male appendage out of your… whichever orifice it is currently in.
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soldevvb,
Thank you for the excellent example of the type of argument used by you anti-science AGW science deniers.
“Though some say anthropogenic ‘global warming’ is the most serious issue facing humankind, security of energy supply is a far more serious problem, since the fossil fuels that cause ‘global warming’ may soon be exhausted. The Institute urges critical appraisal of legislative ‘climate fixes’ for their social, political, and economic and security costs, along with their relative utility or futility.
“Proposals demanding prodigious economic or political sacrifices for the sake of negligible climatic benefits should be rejected in favor of policies to address graver, more immediate concerns about which something constructive can actually be done.”
Once again, organizations that start with their conclusion are not doing science. Science attempts to explore the natural world as it is, not as would be policy advocates and wonks want it to be.
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/our_mission.html
Sol – agreed. All that’s left is for them to run on the same platform the libs from this blog want them to, ie, God is stupid & high taxes are grrreeeat, instead of hiding behind candidates who claim to be religious and against high taxes..isn’t weird how no Dem ever steps up and says during a campaign speech, “I think religion is stupid and anyone who’s religious believes in fairy tales. And taxes need to be raised on anything and everything to pay for the “services” I’m going to create.” Think they need to take Powell’s advice and make it a core of their message in ‘10/’12 that people WANT to pay taxes and they want MORE govt in their life, not less.
Yeah I see what you mean cosmo.
cosmos_originally
Posted May 13, 2009 at 10:34 am | Permalink
soldevvb,
Have a nice, big plate of coal, covered with 10W-30 oil, for lunch.
Bon appetit!
What a dolt.
Once again, organizations that start with their conclusion are not doing science
Sounds like the IPCC. Guess they should stop trying to make policy. They sure as he ll aren’t doing science.
DFB
Posted May 13, 2009 at 11:27 am | Permalink
Yeah but that would be campaigning on honesty. That would confuse the liberal masses.
Regular
Posted May 13, 2009 at 9:18 am | Permalink
Soda Tax Weighed to Pay for Health Care
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124208505896608647.html
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
I love it! Tax the He11 out of anything with lots of sugar, especially soda. Half the people in this country are addicted to sugar and need to pay for the medical problems caused by sugar.
Since I consume very little sugar, I won’t be affected.
After all, of the 2,500 IPCC “expert”[sic] scientists, something like ~20% have had some dealing with climate.
Since I consume very little sugar, I won’t be affected.
Sounds like an “I got mine, F you” statement. Isn’t that what the libs scream about the conservatives doing?
Just sayin…
You down with the PPP?
BRING ON that divorce agreement.
Now, there’s just a few things.
You cons will want to move to land that has not been developed or otherwise changed by taxpayer dollars. No roads or infrastructure. And NO, I do not mean you get the National parks. Those are ours. Ditto the public lands. You all never approved of the idea, so you’ll understand if we keep it and them. I’m not real sure where that leaves you to go. But I’ll be happy to help you look! A contiguous border or a large area seems unlikely. And of course the communication infrastructure and internet are ours. I recommend short wave radio in order to keep your scattered fiefdoms in contact. Or you might check out carrier pigeons.
You’ll be needing a military since that is ours. We’ll be glad to sell you some since we have WAY too much of it.
Custody of the future. It’s so sad we have to drag the kids into this. But the future and the kids were ALWAYS our concern. We grant you uncontested custody of the past and grant you visitation to the future and the kids to be determined provisionally on decision as to your fitness. We can’t MAKE them love you.
It’s still OPP.
Other People’s Pepsi.
SolDevVB
Posted May 13, 2009 at 11:38 am | Permalink
Since I consume very little sugar, I won’t be affected.
Sounds like an “I got mine, F you” statement.
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Makes me sound like a Republican when it comes to healthcare or any program that helps poor people.
Don’t sweat it, Sol. I’m a little bitter about this cr ap.
I smoke.
BJ – Just because the Government “controls” them doesn’t mean they “own” them.
A microcosm of what is wrong with your entire world view.
BREAKING: The White House will object to the release of detainee abuse photos, an administration official says, due to concerns about national security.
http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0509/detainee_photos_6756c84d-cd0a-4f09-88da-cafe02b32c16.html
I’m a little bitter
…
I think that might be the growing sentiment in this country.
Sad.
ANTI
Posted May 13, 2009 at 11:46 am | Permalink
BREAKING: The White House will object to the release of detainee abuse photos, an administration official says, due to concerns about national security.
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Fear mongers!
Uh-oh, CONs –
FBI agent Ali Soufan is testifying today. Greg Sargent points out significant parts of his written testimony:
Soufan will directly contradict key claims by torture apologists that the techniques elicited high-value information. He will say flat out that the claim that Abu Zubaydah didn’t start giving up info until August 2002, when he was waterboarded, is false. “The truth is that we got actionable intelligence from him in the first hour of interrogating him,” Soufan will say.
Soufan will also contradict claims that waterboarding got Abu Zubaydah to cough up info leading to the capture of so-called “dirty bomber” Jose Padilla. He will point out that waterboarding wasn’t approved until August of 2002, while Padilla was captured in May of 2002.
And Soufan will deny yet another key claim of torture apologists: That torture revealed Khalid Shaikh Mohammed’s involvement in 9/11. “That was discovered in April 2002, while waterboarding was not introduced until almost three months later.” Soufan will say.
In other words, (The Big) Dick Cheney’s been lying.
BREAKING: The White House will object to the release of detainee abuse photos, an administration official says, due to concerns about national security.
ACLU SLAMS: “If it’s true that they’re reversing position, we find that wholly unacceptable,” ACLU attorney Jameel Jaffer told POLITICO. “It’s inconsistent with the commitment they’ve made to the court and its inconsistent with the promise of transparency that they’ve repeated many times both before the election and since.”
Jaffer said the ACLU had not been officially informed of the government’s change in stance, which he earlier called an effort to “renege” on the administration’s prior promise. – Same link
Monkeyhawk
Posted May 13, 2009 at 11:49 am | Permalink
You people have been pis sing, moaning and threatening to do something for years now.
Are you people and your chosen leaders just this impotent or do you just not have anything worth prosecuting.
Schit or get off the pot already.
Where was the ACLU when Miss California’s freedom of speech was violated? Where are they on the issue of releasing the results of the interrogations?
Seems only terrorists have rights under the Obama administration.
Miss California had her free speech violated?
Care to explain?
Heard this morning on Bortz an article about some big backers of Obama. Seems they are pretty upset that when he was preaching class warfare in his campaign he really meant it. Now they are worried that it is their assets he is after since there are more wealthy democrats than republicans.
I see the swing starting to move and the wind is getting stronger.
So lay off the beans okie.
BlueJay
Posted May 13, 2009 at 12:04 pm | Permalink
Miss California had her free speech violated?
Care to explain?
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No.
SolDevVB posted May 13, 2009 at 11:28 am
Yeah I see what you mean cosmo.
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soldevvb,
So you do understand that the CO2 humans exhale is carbon neutral?
And you understand that if we ate fossil fuels, the CO2 we exhale would NOT be carbon neutral?
Okay.
That’s rich, “okobserver” –
Care to explain?
“No.”
That makes it a lot easier for you, doesn’t it.
“Care to explain?
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No.”
So then okobserver, you are unwilling to defend your declarative statement, “Miss California’s freedom of speech was violated.”?
At the least, you have posted an error. At the worst a lie.
Which column do we put this one in?
0.01% cosmo. Over ~160 years.
Temps are down the last 8 years. Oceans cooling. Ice growing…
Better hurry.
Agnatha posted May 13, 2009 at 11:26 am
Once again, organizations that start with their conclusion are not doing science. Science attempts to explore the natural world as it is, not as would be policy advocates and wonks want it to be.
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Lord Monckton, who writes for SPPI, does not do science.
‘Monckton’s deliberate manipulation‘
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/05/moncktons-deliberate-manipulation/langswitch_lang/zh
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/OceanCooling/page1.php
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2008/pr20081216.html
MH blowhard is on my ‘do not respond’ list. You are almost there. I know one time jr read a book so I am sure he can read the news and find out for himself how her freedom was violated and her reputation sullied by vicious lefties.
MH i am still waiting for you to offer something to the debate beyond your usual barbs.
Can’t we all just get along?
“okobserver” –
Seems like Carrie Prejean spoke at the pageant. Cable news covered her news conference yesterday. She’s been — as you’ve noted — “in the news non-stop since April 19th.
Just where was her Freedom of Speech violated?
Short lunch break here to hit the blogs and request that fellow Christians and other religious posters here please take a moment to say a prayer for our astronauts on the shapce shuttle Atlantis.
This has been a risky flight and there have been a few challenges already in their flight.
Thank-you
HD, US Chaplain Corp
PS: For those christian bashers perhaps you could fire off an email or pray to Obama for his spiritual guidance.
shapce should be space as in space shuttle.
Sorry about that.
“HDChaplainCorps” –
In this particular case, I have more faith in the men and women at NASA than your little lunch-hour vespers.
They’re pretty good at what they do.
And after all it is rocket science.
Looks like we are going to put this up for an actual vote in the Senate instead of blocking because of a lack of an Environmental Impact Statement as was done by the Brady Bunch.
Senate backs allowing guns in national parks
http://www.bellinghamherald.com/latestheadlines/story/907617.html
WASHINGTON The Senate on Tuesday backed an amendment that would allow people to carry loaded guns in national parks and wildlife refuges.
You gentlemen may want to take a look at some of the lawsuits your ACLU have brought in cases of Freedom of Speech.
Miss Prejean’s incident is not that different. With the exception of course that it was a conservative viewpoint.
EPA Holding a Smoking Gun Memo
Senator John Barrasso (R-Wyo.) today exposed a “smoking gun” White House memo to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). The memo warns that regulation of small CO2 emitters will have “serious economic consequences” for businesses and the overall economy.
Barrasso produced the memo while questioning EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson during the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee budget hearing. “I received a memo this morning, that’s marked ‘Deliberative: Attorney-Client Privilege’. In this memo Counsel for the White House repeatedly, repeatedly suggests a lack of scientific support for this proposed finding. This is a smoking gun, saying that your findings were political and not scientific”, Barrasso said.
Another state is pushing to pass concealed carry on campus. It won’t be long before Kansas follows along!
House committee moves to allow guns on campus
http://www.wwltv.com/topstories/stories/wwl051209cbguns.1d1e1546.html
Link for my last…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-SvGLPjm5w
Saying that someone’s freedom of speech was violated is a very serious charge okobserver. You diminish serious consideration of such a thing when you make a careless and unfounded statement such as you did. A BETTER blogger would qualify the charge or apologize for exaggeration.
We’re waiting.
ANTI
Posted May 13, 2009 at 9:27 am | Permalink
Keep government out of religion!!
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Keep government out my ‘tater chips!!
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Wow and I thought that about the cigarette taxes.
Welcome all you non-smokers to our world!
Damn Nathaniel, I bet if you were denied your little pop guns for even a few minutes you’d probably break into a cold sweat, have a seizure and wet yourself. No one has a good use for a gun in a National park.
BlueJay,
Kind of like how you liberals carelessly tossed the charge around to Bush over the last 8 years?
BlueJay,
I bet the people who are raped, robbed, and attacked in National Parks might have a good use for them.
Of course you don’t care about that…
Or even about those who are attacked by animals either.
Perhaps YOU would care to explain how Miss California’s free speech was violated Nathaniel?
BlueJay
Posted May 13, 2009 at 1:21 pm | Permalink
No one has a good use for a gun in a National park.
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Then why do rangers have them?
‘Orszag: No global warming dispute‘
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22434.html
No one has a good use for a gun in a National park.
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The debate is over.
You lose.
The bill to allow concealed carry on campus in Missouri is now in the Senate:
http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/32d619eb-80ce-0971-0147-aed41292178b
I spent time in National parks Nathaniel.
Not once was I ever in fear for my life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America_by_decade
Obama blocks release of detainee treatment photos.
BlueJay,
As long as you are safe, screw everyone else, right?
“WASHINGTON The Senate on Tuesday backed an amendment that would allow people to carry loaded guns in national parks and wildlife refuges.”
I’m sorry, but in this particular case, that is just idiocy. There are logical reasons for not allowing loaded guns to be carried around within National Parks or Wildlife Refuges, just as there are for not allowing people to carry loaded guns into a courtroom. I’m usually pretty neutral on these 2nd Amendment issues (I think both sides overreact, there are reasonable restrictions but there are also unreasonable restrictions, and conceal and carry does not seem to result in changes in gun violence), but in areas where the intent is to protect ecosystems that include endangered animals, allowing unrestricted carrying of firearms and forcing the Park Service into a reactive stance is just asking for trouble.
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Date: October 9, 2007
Contact: Al Nash, 307-344-2010
Contact: Stacy Vallie, 307-344-2012
National Park Service
U.S. Department of the Interior
Yellowstone National Park
P.O. Box 168
Yellowstone National Park, WY 82190
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
October 9, 2007 07-97
Al Nash or Stacy Vallie (307) 344-2010 or 344-2012
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YELLOWSTONE NATIONAL PARK NEWS RELEASE
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Bear Attack Prompts Second Temporary Area Closure
A section of Yellowstone National Park west of the town of Gardiner, Montana, has been temporarily closed for the second time this fall to address bear-human safety concerns.
A man was mauled by a grizzly sow with three cubs Saturday morning while bow hunting for elk with friends in the Beattie Gulch area, north of the boundary of Yellowstone National Park.
http://www.nps.gov/yell/parknews/0797.htm
BlueJay,
I have never had a fire in my home or anywhere I have ever lived. I am not “afraid” of a fire.
I still have smoke alarms and fire extinguishers though.
I don’t think there is a substantial number of people just itching to carry guns in National parks Nathaniel. And I am suspicious the motives of those who want to.
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cosmos_originally
Posted May 13, 2009 at 10:26 am | Permalink
preordained1 posted May 13, 2009 at 9:49 am
All experts say we should have as broad of a tax base as possible and thus the lowest rates possible. Everyone should pay!
Tax breathing.
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Only if their diet is coal and/or oil.
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Except if they’re China and or India. We’ll let them continue to increase so they will be able to overtake the West.
How do you say “SIEG HEIL” in Chinese?
Well said Agnatha.
You get some yokel like Nathaniel carrying a gun in park and he’s just gonna ITCH to see if his pop gun can bring down a moose.
You get some yokel like Nathaniel carrying a gun in park and he’s just gonna ITCH to see if his pop gun can bring down a moose.
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Hunting is allowed in National Parks, Sparky.
BlueJay,
There are laws against poaching and I am a Hunters Safety Instructor. I would never “itch” to just shoot a moose.
Just another lame attack on the character of others which has nothing to do with the point.
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Chas
Posted May 13, 2009 at 10:33 am | Permalink
ANTI
Posted May 13, 2009 at 10:22 am | Permalink
World Food Program Wants Even More Money, Despite Ease in Crisis
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Avctually, I am surprised that the need isnt greater, after some recent conversations with several over-seas missionaries… not to mention the added burdens of wild fire and flooding victims…
Hunger is one thing that isnt likely to go away…
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That’s because we are using food sources as fuel which has no effect of CO2 emissions. It only sounds good and punishes the oil and coal industries.
“A man was mauled by a grizzly sow with three cubs Saturday morning”
Now Anti you know of course, that had this man had a gun (legally), and shot the bear, he would have been arrested. He would be hard pressed to prove self-defense.
It’s the way the world works now.
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Mr_Kia
Posted May 13, 2009 at 1:11 pm | Permalink
You gentlemen may want to take a look at some of the lawsuits your ACLU have brought in cases of Freedom of Speech.
Miss Prejean’s incident is not that different. With the exception of course that it was a conservative viewpoint.
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Perhaps you would be so kind as to provide just one example of such a case.
Guns should be sold out of vending machines. At arcades, convenience stores, theme parks, and wrestling matches.
Got a problem with that, boy?
“You get some yokel like Nathaniel carrying a gun in park and he’s just gonna ITCH to see if his pop gun can bring down a moose.”
I truly doubt that. Nathan is pretty much a self admitted Second Amendment fundamentalist, but in this case, this action by the Senate is really putting Park Service agents at risk, as well as wildlife. Now, the reasons for carrying guns on Park Service land are pretty well known, and in fact are likely to indicate intent to commit a crime, such as poaching. Policing large tracts of land by perhaps the most understaffed law enforcement agency in the country is hard enough without making them have to react after the fact to poaching crimes being committed. To know how well that works, look at what happens in wildlife refuges ion Africa. True, there are differences, but this change in law, if the House is silly enough to go along with it (and they probably will to protect the primary purpose of the law) and if the president signs it, this is simply asking for trouble.
“I am a Hunters Safety Instructor.”
How safe is hunting for the animals?
This is absurd… I can’t figure out why my comment is awaiting moderation… so I will break it up:
Agnatha,
You can thank the Brady Bunch for that. At first it was a simple rule change which Bush got changed before he left office. A rule change which allowed those who have concealed carry permits in their states to carry concealed in the National Parks.
Then the Brady Bunch fought the rule change because…
http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/gen/30331prs20070702.html
How were Mr. Herman’s Free Speech rights violated?
He said them didn’t he?
it didn’t have an Environmental Impact statement and a liberal judge bought their illogical
‘Going bananas for energy in Africa‘
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8044092.stm
reasoning and issued
BlueJay
Posted May 13, 2009 at 1:38 pm | Permalink
“I am a Hunters Safety Instructor.”
How safe is hunting for the animals?
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Safer than starvation. Or being hit by a car.
How safe is hunting for the animals?
How safe are abortions for the unborn?
Ok, looks like in-junc-tion is a moderated word.
Absurd.
Agnatha, (One more time)
You can thank the Brady Bunch for that. At first it was a simple rule change which Bush got passed before he left office. A rule change which allowed those who have concealed carry permits in their states to carry concealed in the National Parks.
Then the Brady Bunch fought the rule change because it didn’t have an Environmental Impact statement and a liberal judge bought their fallacous reasoning and issued an in-j-u-n-c-t-i-o-n on the rule change.
The Obama administration decided not to fight it.
Now the Senate is going to get involved and pass an amendment allowing even greater 2nd Amendment freedom in the Parks.
Now, the reasons for carrying guns on Park Service land are pretty well known, and in fact are likely to indicate intent to commit a crime, such as poaching.
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Ridiculous.
Poaching is already illegal.
Poachers will poach regardless of the law)
I’m not interested in your link kia.
How were miss california’s free speech rights violated?
She was asked a question in a public forum. Her answer has gotten her attention.
She is not in jail. No one was holding a gun on her when she answered the question. She wanted to stand up for “God” or what she thinks she believes in and she did so. That she is uncomfortable with the result is no violation of her rights.
Conjunction.
That was in response to Daniel’s request for a link.
I believe the ACLU has brought numerous lawsuits in similar situations, of course only with a liberal view.
No they weren’t violated in my opinion. But they brought undo slander from the likes of vile sodomites everywhere. Which by ACLU standards, do seem to be a violation.
You support the ACLU don’t you?
There’s a news piece from the Denver Post about a CON legislator who paid extra for the vanity license plate “ACLUSUX.”
The local ALCU wrote him a letter offering their assistance to sue the state if they disallowed the plate.
And Limbaugh turned to the ACLU when he was caught up in that Oxy-in-the-Parking-Lot deal he was in a few years ago.
The ACLU defended the frickin’ NAZIs right to parade in Skokie, Illinois.
In its many cases against the Ku Klux Klan, the Southern Poverty Law Center frequently had to deal with challenges from the ACLU.
The ACLU exists solely to make sure we live up to the Constitution of the United States. And that frequently has meant they stand up for people who, in a less civilized republic, would summarily renditioned, tortured, and/or executed simply because the world would be a better place without them.
Constitutional Democracy is not for wimps. The cliche is “‘Tis better 9 guilty men go free than one innocent man be convicted.” And it’s a truism that makes us all, regardless of political affiliation, gnash our teeth when an O.J. Simpson gets acquitted or a Richard Nixon gets pardoned.
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Mr_Kia
Posted May 13, 2009 at 1:40 pm | Permalink
http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/gen/30331prs20070702.html
How were Mr. Herman’s Free Speech rights violated?
He said them didn’t he?
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Apples and Oranges.
Your 1st Amendment rights cannont be violated by a private entity. Mr. Herman filed suit against a governmental entity; the city of Boston.
I know Obama has been on a SOCIALISM!!!! spree as of late, but unless he has nationalized Trump’s little beauty pageant it would be impossible for Miss California’s 1st Amendment rights to have been violated.
MonkeyBrains throws some more crap on the wall…
“The ACLU exists solely to make sure we live up to the Constitution of the United States”
Yeah, the ACLU stands to protect the 2nd Amendment rights?
Oh yeah, they don’t think that one applies to individuals…
or the first Amendment to Christians…
Did anyone look closely at the actual Social Security release?
“The projected point at which tax revenues will fall below program costs comes in 2016 — one year sooner than the estimate in last year’s report.
“The projected point at which the Trust Funds will be exhausted comes in 2037 — four years sooner than the estimate in last year’s report.”
But I believe these estimates are based upon a too rosy “guesstimate” of projected
future economic activity and data:
-Productivity (Total U.S. economy) will soar in 2010-2011. (not seen for years)
-GDP Price Index will double in by 2013. (haha)
-And that the real GDP (gross domestic product) will reach 4.3 in 2011.
-And total employment in 2012 will reach levels not seen since 2000.
In just a couple of years: The US will be as robust as we were in the 1990’s!
Could it be that because the ONLY members of the SS Board of Trustees
are all Obama appointees?
The Board of Trustees is comprised of six members. Four serve by virtue of their positions with the federal government: Timothy F. Geithner, Secretary of the Treasury and Managing Trustee; Michael J. Astrue, Commissioner of Social Security; Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of Health and Human Services; and Hilda L. Solis, Secretary of Labor. The two public trustee positions are currently vacant.
Naaaa@! That can’t be it!@
http://www.ssa.gov/pressoffice/pr/trustee09-pr.htm
Daniel
Posted May 13, 2009 at 1:51 pm | Permalink
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Mr_Kia
Posted May 13, 2009 at 1:40 pm | Permalink
http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/gen/30331prs20070702.html
How were Mr. Herman’s Free Speech rights violated?
He said them didn’t he?
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Apples and Oranges.
Your 1st Amendment rights cannont be violated by a private entity. Mr. Herman filed suit against a governmental entity; the city of Boston.
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Follow the ball dude.
The pageant isn’t the entity in question.
Where has the loudest shouting down of her come from?
Murtha Rival Says Congressman’s Top Aide Threatened to Have Him Court-Martialed
Bill Russell, an Iraq war veteran who served with the Army, says Rep. John Murtha’s chief of staff threatened to have him court-martialed when he ran against the Democratic congressman in 2008.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/13/murtha-rival-says-aide-threatened-court-martialed/
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Mr_Kia
Posted May 13, 2009 at 2:00 pm | Permalink
Daniel
Posted May 13, 2009 at 1:51 pm | Permalink
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Mr_Kia
Posted May 13, 2009 at 1:40 pm | Permalink
http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/gen/30331prs20070702.html
How were Mr. Herman’s Free Speech rights violated?
He said them didn’t he?
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Apples and Oranges.
Your 1st Amendment rights cannont be violated by a private entity. Mr. Herman filed suit against a governmental entity; the city of Boston.
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Follow the ball dude.
The pageant isn’t the entity in question.
Where has the loudest shouting down of her come from?
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I don’t have time today to play guessing games with you.
Just tell me, specifically, who violated Miss California’s 1st Amendment rights or any other Constitutional rights that you think may have been violated.
Can’t see the slope you are on can you?
“But they brought undo slander from the likes of vile sodomites everywhere.”
Uh oh! You better hope those “vile sodomites” don’t action your comment.
I originally had a grudging respect for Miss California. Wrong as she is, it WAS courageous for her to answer as she did. But now she has lost my respect. There were better ways to answer the question she was asked. But she made her stand. She does not get to cry “victim!” for the results.
“You can thank the Brady Bunch for that. At first it was a simple rule change which Bush got passed before he left office.”
Which was quite controversial at the time. Bush’s “rule change” was one of those 11th hour rule changes that a president tries to get away with.
“A rule change which allowed those who have concealed carry permits in their states to carry concealed in the National Parks.”
And like I said, there are good reasons for not allowing that in a National Park or Wildlife Refuge.
“Then the Brady Bunch fought the rule change because it didn’t have an Environmental Impact statement and a liberal judge bought their fallacous reasoning and issued an in-j-u-n-c-t-i-o-n on the rule change.
“The Obama administration decided not to fight it.”
And why do you think that is?
“Now the Senate is going to get involved and pass an amendment allowing even greater 2nd Amendment freedom in the Parks.”
And it’s still a bad idea.
I wouldn’t say her 1st Amendment rights were violated, but I would say the homos slandered her pretty good.
Drop it then because I never said they were.
However, you take Miss Maine who answers “yes” and replace the vile sodomite Perez Hilton with say, James Dobson, who basically calls her every name the vile sodomite has called Miss California and tell me where the story is going to be.
Amway – scary part is, that’s just the bad news for SS, which was in far better financial shape than Medicare/Medicaid…last estimated shortfall date I remember for Medicare was 2017…wonder what it’s projected to be now. I’m sure that has noooothing to do with the rabid moves to try and shift healthcare premiums/profits into the govt coffers. Wonder how the CBO handled those projections in their 10 yr deficit proforma.
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Nathaniel
Posted May 13, 2009 at 1:52 pm | Permalink
MonkeyBrains throws some more crap on the wall…
“The ACLU exists solely to make sure we live up to the Constitution of the United States”
Yeah, the ACLU stands to protect the 2nd Amendment rights?
Oh yeah, they don’t think that one applies to individuals…
or the first Amendment to Christians…
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The ACLU doesn’t defend the Constitutional rights of Christians?
That’s news to me.
http://www.aclufightsforchristians.com/
“or the first Amendment to Christians…”
Frankfurtian bullsh*t. The ACLU has been very consistent in protecting all sorts of free speech, regardless of where people fall on the political spectrum. Evangelical Christian Rightists might tend to choose the Rutherford Institute to support them, but Christian plaintiffs have been supported by the ACLU in the past.
BlueJay
Posted May 13, 2009 at 2:09 pm | Permalink
I originally had a grudging respect for Miss California. Wrong as she is, it WAS courageous for her to answer as she did. But now she has lost my respect. There were better ways to answer the question she was asked. But she made her stand. She does not get to cry “victim!” for the results.
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But as I said in another thread why don’t those attacking her have the sack to go after..umm..say the President or another elected official who has the power to enact the change they seek (but answer the same was as Miss California)?
Why pick on a powerless girl with an opinion?
Pick on a powerful politician with the same.
I’d like that one explained to me.
Nathaniel,
More here if your interested but the cases in this link aren’t limited to Christianity.
http://www.aclu.org/religion/govtfunding/26526res20060824.html
The virgin prophet “Nathaniel” whines –
“…the ACLU stands to protect the 2nd Amendment rights?”
I dunno.
As anyone ever asked them?
“…they don’t think that one applies to individuals…”
And on this issue, boy, you and I have no dog to fight.
I’m strongly in favor of capable, competent, and responsible individuals owning any damned weapon available.
I think it’s probably a more manageable issue if incorporated with the 2nd Amendment’s language of a well-regulated militia. But that’s straining at minutia.
“…or the first Amendment to Christians…”
You’ll have to be more specific, boy, about how your first amendment rights — as a “Christian” — have been infringed.
Seems like there are a lot of you. And you don’t seem oppressed to me.
Share with us how you’ve been victimized by the ACLU.
The market is taking a beating this week.
Hey, where are my updates from Phantom?
“I’m sure that has noooothing to do with the rabid moves to try and shift healthcare premiums/profits into the govt coffers. Wonder how the CBO handled those projections in their 10 yr deficit proforma.”
DFB good point. I think SS is now going to default (revenues less than expenses) about the same time as Medicare.
The report moves the dates up to the problem coming sooner – but not soon enough (rosy projections by Obama’s own staff).
SS has been telling us about this for years.
But they will make a BIG DEAL about it now.
The democrats have the full throttle power up.
NOW it will be an emergency.
Another emergency Obama can rush through congress and change.
Miss California just voiced the same opinion on marriage as President Obama and Hillary Clinton.
That’s all.
But I don’t see liberal websites and organizations calling them a beotch and hore.
Hmmmm. Standards?
Obama’s new tax plan will give a tax break to 91 percent of the people who pay taxes.
The other 9 percent will get a tax hike.
To the CONs, who are in the 91 percent, that’s class warfare, proving once again that you can’t fix stupid.
Miss California’s comments after Trump ruled in her favor:
“On April 19 on that stage I exercised my freedom of speech, and I was punished for doing so,” said Prejean. “This should not happen in America,” she added.”
She certainly thought her freedom of speech rights were violated.
Where was the ACLU? They are busy getting rights for terrorists under our constitution. What is wrong with this picture?
“Why pick on a powerless girl with an opinion?”
Oh is that all it is?
Sorry but a powerless girl with an opinion would not be milking the situation. A “powerless girl with an opinion” would not have RUN as fast as she could to be a guest on the Sean Hannity show. IF she sees herself as some new found leader or advocate for a cause, it’s not gonna all be hearts and flowers from the right. She will have to take the attention she is asking for and quit whining about it.
Obama’s new tax plan will give a tax break to 91 percent of the people who pay taxes.
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WTF happened to 95%?
The MissUSA loser’s opinion is not news.
It is the CONservative media’s latest “victim outrage” — i.e., shiny object to distract the masses from their real problems like an unsustainable health care system and the riching stealing from the poor.
American_Way
Posted May 13, 2009 at 2:25 pm | Permalink
Miss California just voiced the same opinion on marriage as President Obama and Hillary Clinton.
That’s all.
But I don’t see liberal websites and organizations calling them a beotch and hore.
Hmmmm. Standards?
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Precisely the point.
And not only double standards. Elected officials that actually have the power to make a difference in their fight get given not only a free pass but a vote! LOL.
Easier to attack a Christian beauty queen with no power than a Liberal politician with power.
BlueJay
Posted May 13, 2009 at 2:27 pm | Permalink
“Why pick on a powerless girl with an opinion?”
Oh is that all it is?
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No, that’s not all it is.
Why don’t you explain how the President who has the same opinion isn’t subject to the same slander?
I mean if you could change his opinion you might actually get somewhere wouldn’t you?
““On April 19 on that stage I exercised my freedom of speech, and I was punished for doing so,” said Prejean. “This should not happen in America,” she added.”
Awww POOR BABY!
How is it punishment to take a stand and then experience the results? This little cupcake has no IDEA what real persecution is. The littlest taste of it and she applies for status as a martyr.
BlueJay hates women.
Awww POOR BABY!
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Seems like that prissy f@g Perez did more whining than anyone.
Not about what has happened to Prejean.
It’s about why the same hasn’t happened to Obama.
The Capn and other Libs on this blog, secretly want to put a double-lip lock on Perez Hilton’s projection. That’s why they support the bashing of Prejean for her statement.
“ANTI,” on Carrie Prejean –
“…homos slandered her pretty good.”
Got anything to back that up?
They — that’s a big thing with you CONs, isn’t it? the “THEY” factor — disagreed.
That’s all of a sudden “slander?!”
If “they” had photoshopped Carrie’s face on some other nudie photo, that might eke in as misrepresentation. But Carrie admits she posed for soft-porn pix and specifically told Donald Trump’s Miss U.S.A. Pageant she’d never done that.
And the bottom line — which CONs don’t want to address — is she came off as an absolute bimbo when she answered Hilton’s question.
I don’t know and I don’t care what the judging categories are for the all-important post of “Miss U.S.A.,” but I think that particular element of the competition is to judge poise. (Swim Suit is for hip flab. Evening Gown is for boobs. State Costume is for who from California best sucked up to Disney — I mean, the mouse ears were a bit much.)
And because she came off as a mindless bimbo, Miss California thinks her 1st Amendment rights have been infringed?!
By (as “ANTI” proclaims) homos?!
Frankly, there’s nothing gayer than the Miss U.S.A. pageant. Everyone knows gay guys dress them and coach them and raise money for breast implants. Carrie must have balls of brass to walk into that room and tell everyone who supports that Donald Trump business she’s above them.
It’d be like “BlueJay” attending the annual Ducks Unlimited dinner and announcing he’d brought everyone together so the “libs” could attack their homes, kick their wives, rape their Bibles, and confiscate their guns. Not particularly bright in the ol’ “poise” competition.
Carrie Prejean’s fame serves only to distract us from Sarah Louise Palin.
And probably makes Carrie Michelle the Moose-Dresser’s heir apparent. (Palin won’t be a MILF much longer.)
“The MissUSA loser’s opinion is not news.
It is the CONservative media’s”
That’s funny Capn, Seems the WEBLOG had the following Thread on May 7th which was pretty negative (and oh the comments by libs!).
Prejean in hot water over racy photos
No thread now that she’s been vindicated?
No thread with Trumps comments about her comments being the same on marriage as Prez Obama and Hillary Clinton? No thread about the dirty website which started this craaap?
Sure Capn. Keep dreaming. It’s a cons media. HA!
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Mr_Kia
Posted May 13, 2009 at 2:30 pm | Permalink
American_Way
Posted May 13, 2009 at 2:25 pm | Permalink
Miss California just voiced the same opinion on marriage as President Obama and Hillary Clinton.
That’s all.
But I don’t see liberal websites and organizations calling them a beotch and hore.
Hmmmm. Standards?
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Precisely the point.
And not only double standards. Elected officials that actually have the power to make a difference in their fight get given not only a free pass but a vote! LOL.
Easier to attack a Christian beauty queen with no power than a Liberal politician with power.
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Mr_Kia,
C’mon….you made the claim that her Constitutional rights were violated and that the ACLU should come to her defense.
Specifically, who violated her Constitutional rights and what rights were violated?
“I’ve stated my opposition to this. I think it’s unnecessary,” Obama told MTV. “I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage.
Little miss cupcake and the rest of you cons better get used to feeling hurt and abused.
You’ve done enough of it yourselves to people for a LONG time. You’ve earned the payback.
If her schtick is gonna be “look at poor persecuted me!” then I for one will be happy to give her something to keep whining about.
“That’s why they support the bashing of Prejean for her statement.”
Yep. Ticked the libs off pretty bad her keeping her title. Jealous.
Can you imagine the thread if her title had been pulled?
YOU KNOW IT!!!!
So what gives libs? Obama feels (and has stated) the same as Prejean. Where is your outrage at your Chosen One?
Just a little biased I see. Is it because he is black you are afraid to say anything?
Got anything to back that up?
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Perez Hilton.
What amazes me about Prejean is that you don’t even see anybody pulling the string that allows her to talk.
“Math is hard.”
“I love shopping.”
Remember Talking Barbie?
Show me where I said that Daniel.
I’ve said more than once I don’t believe they were.
Though the ACLU imho have brought suits over similar cases to protect liberal viewpoints.
My issue is with the fact the left attacks her but gives a free pass to their own politicians (Democrats) who share the same opinion.
That’s all.
“I’ve stated my opposition to this. I think it’s unnecessary,” Obama told MTV. “I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage.
Remember O’Bama?
BlueJay
Posted May 13, 2009 at 2:39 pm | Permalink
Little miss cupcake and the rest of you cons better get used to feeling hurt and abused.
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What about Obama? He’s hurting and abusing homosexuals too by being against their marriages!?
ANTI
Posted May 13, 2009 at 2:40 pm | Permalink
Got anything to back that up?
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Perez Hilton.
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Why have a flaming homo as a judge?
Thats a little weird.
Why does Obama treat GLT(I forgot one…) like second class citizens? Why does he deny them what “straight” couples enjoy?
Bigot huh?
To this day, gay people, among others, incur public wrath for no reason at all let alone if they assert themselves.
I spoke up for Miss California initially. She could have answered the question she did better and not compromised her beliefs. But I respected her for taking a stand.
Whether she thinks she believes it or not, her answer was hurtful to people. Now, she herself is in much the same place. Moreover, she has decided to make the situation elongate what would otherwise be little more than 15 minutes of fame.
She is enjoying her “persecution” and so in a way perpetuating it. This little bit of perceived injustice has become who she is to herself and who she asks to be to the public.
“My issue is with the fact the left attacks her but gives a free pass to their own politicians (Democrats) who share the same opinion.
That’s all.”
Obviously, you really haven’t hung around liberals, virtually or actually, much have you?
And perhaps you’ve forgotten, but some of us have been very critical of both Obama and his campaign with regards to people who are gay and his stance.
And for what it’s worth, I think Obama is quite wrong on this issue, as is Hillary Clinton and most other prominient Democrats as well.
Now for the news you won’t read in the American press:
Blogged by Brad Friedman on 5/10/2009 8:18PM
Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, whose false tortured confession was used as basis for Bush’s war, has reportedly committed suicide…
British journalist and historian Andy Worthington, an expert and author on Guantanamo, reports that the man who had supplied a key false tie between Iraq and al-Qaeda — after being tortured in Egypt, where he had been rendered by the U.S. — has died in a Libyan prison. “Dead of suicide in his cell,” according to a Libyan newspaper.
Worthington has excellent coverage of the story tonight, which, he says, is “ablaze” in the Arabic media, but so far unreported in all but one English language outlet.
“What about Obama? He’s hurting and abusing homosexuals too …”
Certainly debatable. And we know he paid a price for that and continues to.
But he is not claiming the right to martyrdom as Miss California is.
BlueJay
Posted May 13, 2009 at 2:39 pm | Permalink
Little miss cupcake and the rest of you cons better get used to feeling hurt and abused.
You’ve done enough of it yourselves to people for a LONG time. You’ve earned the payback.
If her schtick is gonna be “look at poor persecuted me!” then I for one will be happy to give her something to keep whining about.
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Just for the record I am compiling a folder of all of the threatening post Jr puts on here. When my folder get full I will forward it to the proper authorities. It is just about there.
I sense a lot of violence here.
her answer was hurtful to people
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“I’ve stated my opposition to this. I think it’s unnecessary,” Obama told MTV. “I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage.
Whether she thinks she believes it or not, her answer was hurtful to people.
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If a beauty pageant contestant’s answer ‘hurts’ you, you have some issues you need to deal with.
BAgnatha- And for what it’s worth, I think Obama is quite wrong on this issue, as is Hillary Clinton and most other prominient Democrats as well.
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why did you leave out the 85% of americans that agree with her.
has died in a Libyan prison. “Dead of suicide in his cell,” according to a Libyan newspaper.
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Fantastic!
Knock yourself out okobserver. It’s in no way threatening to observe that people who persecute are entitled to and well deserving of the same.
Correction–
According to the Brookings Institute Tax Policy Center model:
Allowing Bush tax cuts to expire (top rate of 39.6 percent) will affect less than ONE PERCENT of tax payers.
Other tax increases will affect only 3.3 percent of tax payers.
CapnAmerica
Posted May 13, 2009 at 2:30 pm | Permalink
The MissUSA loser’s opinion is not news.
It is the CONservative media’s latest “victim outrage” — i.e., shiny object to distract the masses from their real problems like an unsustainable health care system and the riching stealing from the poor.
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Cap you have posted on this thread many time how well you married and how your parents were well off – how well traveled you are – all those things the super rich enjoy.
Well I for one want a list of the poor people you have been stealing from. It’s time to come clean and admit finally that you are one of the ‘riching’ that take advantage of the Jrs of the world.
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Mr_Kia
Posted May 13, 2009 at 2:42 pm | Permalink
Show me where I said that Daniel.
I’ve said more than once I don’t believe they were.
Though the ACLU imho have brought suits over similar cases to protect liberal viewpoints.
My issue is with the fact the left attacks her but gives a free pass to their own politicians (Democrats) who share the same opinion.
That’s all.
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Mr_Kia
Posted May 13, 2009 at 1:11 pm | Permalink
You gentlemen may want to take a look at some of the lawsuits your ACLU have brought in cases of Freedom of Speech.
Miss Prejean’s incident is not that different. With the exception of course that it was a conservative viewpoint.
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I don’t know what EVER gave me the idea that you were claiming her 1st Amendment Constitutional right to free speech had been violated.
FWIW, I wasn’t at all offended by what she said at the pageant. She has every right in the world to hold that opinion and to voice it publicly.
Where she lost my sympathy was when she started whining that she was being punished for her opinion. The Constitution doesn’t shield any of us from the consequences of voicing our opinions.
Crap-on-America- Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, whose false tortured confession was used as basis for Bush’s war, has reportedly committed suicide…
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You truely are a waste of space.
Well, It didn’t take the LIBs long to implode today.
Other tax increases will affect only 3.3 percent of tax payers.
That count the soda tax too?
That soda tax going to be on sweat tea too?
THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
I’m just passing this thought along ….
Have you ever wondered if the one dollar bills in your wallet were ever in a strippers’s butt crack?
If not, you’re wondering now.
Have a nice day.
Where did capn and jr run off to. I am still waiting for a list of the poor that capn is stealing from and I really want to know what jr is going to do to Miss California if she doesn’t stop ‘whining’. Just when it get good they take off.
Where did capn and jr run off to. I am still waiting for a list of the poor that capn is stealing from and I really want to know what jr is going to do to Miss California if she doesn’t stop ‘whining’. Just when it get good they take off.
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Whimpering back to the coop, I suppose.
Should have been:
And perhaps you’ve forgotten, but some of us have been very critical on this blog of both Obama and his campaign with regards to people who are gay and his stance.
And in fact, Mr. Kia, your memory impairment is quite remarkable considering your complete meltdown during a discussion of this topic, when Obama was criticized for inviting Rick Warren to give an invocation at his inauguration, and you took over the top issue with criticisms leveled towards Warren.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/12/obama-reaching-out-with-warren/#comments
To claim that blog “liberals” have not criticized Obama is just being willfully disingenuous.
“SolDevVB” clammors –
“That soda tax going to be on sweat tea too?”
Nah.
Drink all the sweat you want.
No i don’t know any body that cheap, but i mite half to check my five’s & ten’s
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SolDevVB
Posted May 13, 2009 at 3:17 pm | Permalink
THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
I’m just passing this thought along ….
Have you ever wondered if the one dollar bills in your wallet were ever in a strippers’s butt crack?
If not, you’re wondering now.
Have a nice day.
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Or retrieved from a pool of drunken vomit.
Dropped in a toilet which hasn’t been cleaned in years.
Or retrieved from a pool of drunken vomit.
Dropped in a toilet which hasn’t been cleaned in years.
Me? I’d leave the damn thing there. Maybe tell JR where it was ;~>
LMFAO.
Yup. Fingers engaged before brain.
Sweet
Thanks for pointing it out Monkey.
Sweat tea…(still laughing at myself…)
“going to do to Miss California if she doesn’t stop ‘whining’.”
Wasn’t I obvious?
I’m gonna help her stay famous! I LIKE where you cons gave to go these days for heroes. I want to help any way I can. If a vacuous, vain, egomaniacal crybaby is your poster girl, I want the whole world to know it!
Let’s have that again.
If a vacuous, vain, egomaniacal wishywashy bigot crybaby is your poster girl, I want the whole world to know it!
SolDevVB
Posted May 13, 2009 at 3:17 pm | Permalink
THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
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Yes, in fact I smell all my $1 before I put it in my clip.
Always.
If a vacuous, vain, egomaniacal wishywashy bigot crybaby is your poster girl, I want the whole world to know it!
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We do not consider Perez Hilton one of ours.
Pucker factor? I’d say around 8. What’s got you so scard Carl? (you POS)
Democrats: CIA is out to get us
Democrats charged Tuesday that the CIA has released documents about congressional briefings on harsh interrogation techniques in order to deflect attention and blame away from itself.
“I think there is so much embarrassment in some quarters [of the CIA] that people are going to try to shift some of the responsibility to others — that’s what I think,” said Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), who sat on the Senate Intelligence Committee and was briefed on interrogation techniques five times between 2006 and 2007.
And he did what about it?
Good Lord I can’t type today.
I think the whole prejean episode was programmed by Trump. Just a couple weeks ago he had that Paris guy be a judge on one of his apprentice episodes.
Trump seems to have played his cards and the cons very well.
ANTI
Posted May 13, 2009 at 3:38 pm | Permalink
If a vacuous, vain, egomaniacal wishywashy bigot crybaby is your poster girl, I want the whole world to know it!
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We do not consider Perez Hilton one of ours.
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Oh BUUURRRRRRRRNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!
he,heh
jesus wept.
Oko–
If you’ve hired a roofing crew lately, you probably noticed that 3/4ths of the crew speak Spanish. Ditto for hotel maids, nursing home staff, short order cooks and concrete work.
How many doctors, surgeons, lawyers, consultants, dentists, college professors, CEO’s, psychologists, physical therapists or CPA’s have you hired that speak Spanish as their first language?
This is not a result of “free trade.” It is not a natural and inevitable consequence of the way trade has to work.
It is a direct result of gov’t regulation to expose laborers and manufacturing workers to global competition and outsourcing while shielding professionals at the top from the same kind of competition.
This has the effect of increasing the wealth for people like me and decreasing the wealth for those who work as laborers. It increases my buying power by driving down wages for others.
So, yes, I do unfairly benefit from the system here.
This has the effect of increasing the wealth for people like me and decreasing the wealth for those who work as laborers. It increases my buying power by driving down wages for others.
So, yes, I do unfairly benefit from the system here.
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You scoundrel!
Does anyone know if the soda tax is based upon sugar?
Will it be on my Coke Zero? (no sugar zero calories low sodium – makes a perfect R&C coupled with my Appleton Gold Reserve).
Inquiring minds want to know. I don’t drink soda or pop. Just Coke Zero which has no sugar.
Anti–
That’s why I’m trying to change the system.
One big help would be to bring back the protections that Unions had before Reagan stripped them.
What are you biased, 11?
I don’t know a lot about Perez Hilton. He does seem to be pretty much the same person he was before he asked his question.
I can’t say the same of Miss California.
In her original answer, she is just a little hesitant. She centers the answer on “I think I believe” and does a lot of qualifying.
That is not the person she has become now.
I understand she is now ACTIVELY working against gay marriage. This is something that does not seem to have been the case before the pageant.
She IS getting a lot of fire. But she is also getting a lot of self affirmation from people who may agree with her opinion but really do not much care about her at all.
She did not come across initially as a DEDICATED bigot. But she does seem to be growing into the part.
Even for a beauty contestant, I am very disappointed in her clear lack of any real, core character. It seems her identity is being made for her and she is ready willing and able to act the part.
That’s sad. Because she will be a bright star but only among a small, dark crowd.
Bluejay, just catching up on todays threads here.
But it’s already obvious guy: You need to get laid.
You gotta stop beatin on it man.
One big help would be to bring back the protections that Unions had before Reagan stripped them.
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What?
You think the Unions need more power?
” Reagan stripped them.”
Reagan stripped from them? Heck, you haven’t been following the union concessions made under Barack Obama have you boy?
Obama has already negotiated more union concessions than Reagan did in his entire presidency!
And closed quite a few union shops down.
Gooooooo Obama!
Capn’A,
If you feel you have too much money, I would be willing to help you get down to a more modest level.
ATLANTA – Federal authorities in Atlanta on Wednesday announced the biggest seizure of Mexican crystal methamphetamine ever recorded east of the Mississippi River.
Federal drug enforcement agents seized about 351 pounds of meth from two houses in Duluth, in suburban Atlanta, in an operation that began Sunday and extended into Monday morning. They arrested four Mexican nationals, three of whom are in the U.S. illegally.
May 13 (Bloomberg) — Foreclosure filings in the U.S. rose to a record for the second consecutive month in April as banks increased efforts to seize homes from delinquent borrowers. Worst in US history.
The retail sales report showed sales sank for the second-straight month – worse than any time previously.
Wall Street took its biggest tumble in nearly four weeks.
I think it is becoming pretty obvious that democrats have a bumbling idiot in the white house.
This president in less than four months has put this nation on a downward spin not seen in
the history of the nation.
Obama is going to be noted as the Herbert Hoover of the century!
Obama Defends Reversal on Releasing Detainee Photos
President Obama has decided to not release the photos which the Pentagon had planned to release by May 28 in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union. Fox News
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O’BAMA knows if he releases the photos, it will set a precedent that may not be able to be overcome.
Plus, I imagine the uproar amongst the troops. They are probably mumbling that everything they do might be released to the press, which would compromise every military operation in the future.
A continued attack on the military will drive down recruitment in the military. Then what? A draft?
WEll capn if you just spread YOUR wealth around think how many of these poor spanish speaking people you could bring up to your level. Of course that would mean you will have to go down to their level. But isn’t that what wealth redistribution is all about. If you preach the sermon you should live the life.
Capn my thoughts on your picture of the poor and trod upon. When you illegally come to a country at least learn the language. We have one and maybe two states that are bankrupt now because of the drain on the resources of those tax payers to provide extra teachers for those who don’t speak english, to provide healthcare for those who use the ER as their family physician. If I sound unsympathetic it might be because I am. We have a group of illegals that are content to work illegally and be paid under the table with no taxes withheld. These workers make it very hard for companies that try to obey the laws and get real I9s for their workers.
You think this is a union problem. You are just divorced from reality. But keep trying.
The Capn is the ‘Ted Haggard’ of the local Lib population. Capn evangelizes the secular speak, then gets a little on the side for his own pleasure.
‘Arctic explorers find more evidence of global thaw‘
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSTRE54C6GS20090513
okobserver,
I wonder why you assume that the people CapnAmerica speaks of are here illegally. He never made any mention of their citizenship status.
Aimee White is suing the Army quacks who twice botched her abortion in 2006 at Fort Stewart, GA, based on an inconclusive test. They prescribed an abortion drug, then a D&C abortion. (10% of RU-486 abortions are dangerously incomplete and require a follow-up surgical abortion.) Weeks later, at Fort Lewis, she was found to be still pregnant, and later at 7 1/2 months gestation, delivered her daughter by C-section, alive but suffering from premature birth, lung damage, and brain injuries from the botched abortion. Today the girl requires constant care, another of the many survivors of botched abortions that Obamanation has stated and voted that are not worth the trouble of keeping alive.
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Ratcheting up Notre Dame for violating the institution’s pro-life mission, pro-lifers are threatening to hang permanent abortion collaborator status on the university, though many pro-life students are boycotting Obamanation’s speech from his undeserved platform.
The Notre Dame campus may be starting to look like a real battleground. Maybe the feds will consider getting out the dogs and fire hoses for May 17. There will be no easing of culture war tensions on that day.
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Obamanation blinked on repealing the Defense of Marriage Act and Don’t Ask Don’t Tell military policy tolerating celibate, closeted sodomites, scrubbing the policies out or watering them down in his agenda.
Guess there wasn’t enough profit in sodomy, like there is in expanding abortion mill profits, for raking a cut into Democrat campaign coffers.
SolDevVB posted April 21, 2009 at 11:57 am
Australia’s foremost Earth scientist, Ian Plimer, publishes Heaven And Earth: Global-Warming – The Missing Science.
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‘Ian Enting is checking Plimer’s claims ‘
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/05/ian_enting_is_checking_plimers.php
parkay
Posted May 13, 2009 at 5:09 pm
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You’re late.
3 day suspension.
being born at 71/2 months would cause all of the things that parkay also described. I’m sure that the girl is suing because her abortion wasn’t performed. Had she been allowed a PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION, that poor child would not be suffering now. but you can rest assured that Parkay is thrilled to death that this child has to live this way.
The only people who are freaking about Notre Dame are the psycho fundy freaks. That’s why Obama is winning.
And the polls for allowing gays to be open in the military are enormously pro-gay. Better luck next time Parkay. Just wait till God gets ahold of em.
Are you the one who posts as Jim Jones?
Yesterday I drove past that traffic accident that left a van on its roof blocking Kellogg. And today a city councilman who happened to be a witness can get his outrage at our driving style into the paper. At least no one was killed this time. It occurred to me some time back that folks who learned to drive in small towns with only two lane roads are having difficulty coping with multi-lane roads in Wichita. Where they were building their driving habits there was no need to plan ahead to get into the right lane. Maybe there should be a driving school supplement for those moving to Wichita from rural areas. Or maybe they should just drive in Los Angeles for six months–those who survive would be just fine here.
No, you crazy drivers in Wichita are the problem, not us in the small towns. The roads are horribly set up in Wichita too, the on/off ramps should not be on the same stretch. YOu have people trying to speed up to merge at the same time you have people trying to slow down to exit, and its pure chaos.
The hatred of our president by the Right Wing, so-called Christians, is truly nauseating. I will say that those on the Left hated GWB, but these statements and attitudes from the Right go WAAAYYYY beyond whatever the Left may have said about George.
The Right wants the COUNTRY to fail – that is beyond sad. The Left never wanted a failure of our country.
It saddens me that the Right Wing Christian (?) Republicans won’t even give Obama a chance – their hatred knows no bounds.
Perhaps if Barack was a fat, ugly, white guy, the Right would love him – unfortunately the country is moving in another direction.
It sucks to be a fat, ugly, white guy these days.
Don’t worry WS, its only a few. And we’re going to continue to stomp a mud hole in them.
I dunno, “Political_mama” –
There aren’t that many of them in the grand scheme of things, but the CONs sure have tenacity of their delusions.
They’re going through the dissolution of the Republic Party, their only link to political relevance. They’re getting desperate, as we see every day on WE Blog.
Be alert for cornered rats.
Ant,
“parkay
Posted May 13, 2009 at 5:09 pm
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You’re late.
3 day suspension.”
By his thumbs maybe?
Hey, I’ve got a solution for all those who object to those who carry concealed weapons in their vicinity.
We can make a list, modeled on the “Do Not Call List” of people who do not want people with heaters around them or their children. Those who are carrying concealed firearms would by law maintain a distance equal to the effective range of their weapon from anyone anyone on that list. Those who violate that law will be subject to having their roscoe confiscated.
Is that a reasonable compromise for the gun nuts and civilized citizens alike?
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Obama will ’solve’ North Korea problem just like he solves all problems – He’ll Throw Taxpayer Money At It!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,522062,00.html
North Korea Launches More Missiles Following Nuclear Test, Lashes Out at U.S.
JimJohnson properly posted his spam on the old spammers thread.
Ah, War Games or the Real Deal?
Israel Holds War Games as Tension With Iran Grows
Friday, May 22, 2009
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,521204,00.html
Israel to have largest ever defense drill
http://www.etaiwannews.com/etn/news_content.php?id=958934&lang=eng_news
(Watch for Big News This Weekend)
The nuclear-armed regime also plans to begin an extensive five-day nationwide military drill called “Turning Point 3″ on May 31.
During the drill, Israeli forces and civilians will simulate a war against Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria and Iran while also practicing counterinsurgency tactics against Israeli Arabs.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=95990§ionid=351020202
Tehran summit
The importance of Iran’s trilateral summit last Sunday with Presidents Karzai of Afghanistan and Zardari of Pakistan does not lie in the verbose ‘Tehran Declaration’ that was issued.
That the summit took place, so soon after Karzai and Zardari returned from their joint Washington parleys with President Obama, is in itself a powerful signal of Iran’s growing diplomatic clout.
New Delhi would note that there has not been a murmur of protest from the Washington establishment, which had made so much noise about India’s relations with Iran in recent years, against the travels of Karzai and Zardari to Tehran. The US Congress, which is being asked to write such large checks to Afghanistan and Pakistan these days, surely could not have been unaware of Tehran’s persistent summons to Karzai and Zardari.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/persian-connection/466429/2
cosmos_originally
Posted May 26, 2009 at 8:43 pm | Permalink
JimJohnson properly posted his spam on the old spammers thread.
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If anyone on the WE Blog is full of Spam – It Be Cosmos.
JimJohnson,
What is today’s date, and what is the date of this ‘open’ thread?
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