It’s terrible enough that priests and nuns terrorized and abused thousands of boys and girls in Ireland, according to a commission report released Wednesday. But — as was the case with some of the sex-abuse scandals in the United States — the Catholic Church covered it up and, as a result, helped perpetuate it. The report concluded that church officials shielded their orders’ pedophiles from arrest to protect their own reputations, the Washington Post reported.
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The Catholic Church also owned slaves in Ireland until the 1970s until it was exposed.
“In some schools a high level of ritualized beating was routine. … Girls were struck with implements designed to maximize pain and were struck on all parts of the body,” the report said. “Personal and family denigration was widespread.”
Ritualized child abuse, slavery, rape, thank goodness I wasn’t given a religious upbringing. No wonder so many fundies here approve of violence, murder and torture, they were taught such things from childhood.
The big split, I’ve observed, is this:
Liberals want schools that teach kids how to think.
CONs want schools to teach what to think.
That’s called indoctrination.
That’s what brain-washing is all about.
You refer to fundamentalists, catholics and evagelicals in the same breathe.
Yes Kia, you can have rabid dogs of different breeds but they are still rabid.
They all worship the same God, don’t they, Kia?
“Victims of the abuse, who are now in their 50s to 80s, lobbied long and hard for an official investigation. They say that for all its incredible detail, the report doesn’t nail down what really matters _ the names of their abusers”.
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“Victims of the abuse, who are now in their 50s to 80s” Really Mr. Brownlee. A story of abuse 30 plus years ago in Ireland has what relevance at this blog?
The answer is, of course, none. But it is a topic that can get emotions stirred up as the haters attack religion and help the old website visits count.
“Mr_Kia” –
The problem is fundamentalism; the cock-sure belief what you believe is God’s truth.
Fundamentalism can’t deal with ambiguity. Fundamentalism has no use for nuance.
Fundamentalism cannot compromise.
Fundamentalism cannot live and let live.
There are fundamentalist evangelicals, fundamentalist Catholics, fundamentalist Jews, fundamentalist Muslims and arguably, fundamentalist atheists.
There’s no such thing as a fundamentalist agnostic.
I think we just found out what denomination outlander is.
Good ol outlander, protecting child abusers and pedophiles.
There’s no such thing as a fundamentalist agnostic. – Another brilliant Monkey revelation
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Chuckle….
There is also no such thing as a cold blooded mammal, a peaceful war, or an ugly beauty queen.
“But it is a topic that can get emotions stirred up as the haters attack religion and help the old website visits count”. – Me
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Monkeyhawk
Posted May 21, 2009 at 8:27 am | Permalink
As so many Catholic priests said –
“If they’re too young for confirmation, fuc# ‘em.”
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No wonder so many fundies here approve of violence, murder and torture, they were taught such things from childhood. ——- MaggotPunk
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Maggotpunk
Posted May 21, 2009 at 8:21 am | Permalink
Good ol outlander, protecting child abusers and pedophiles.
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See, what did I tell you Phillip? You must be so proud. Ok, I concede, vile moronic haters’ posts count just as much as those of reasonable folks.
I maybe a hater of pedophiles and child abusers but…oh wait, why should I make an excuse for that? Those making excuses are those who still belong to this criminal, tax-exempt organization.
“Victims of the abuse, who are now in their 50s to 80s” Really Mr. Brownlee. A story of abuse 30 plus years ago in Ireland has what relevance at this blog?
The answer is, of course, none. But it is a topic that can get emotions stirred up as the haters attack religion and help the old website visits count.
The Guardian and the NYT have been running stories of abuse by the Catholic hurch in priest ridden Ireland for the last few days, the comments are horrors to read. These guys also ran schools for native kids in Canada where they (brothers, sisters and priests) physicalyy and sexually abused kids for years. In Quebec, more priest ridden than Ireland, unwanted babies, orphans or “probem” kids were taken by the Church and classified as mentally defecient thus getting a higher per diem stipend from the government. Thousands of Quebecers to this day are still trying to get their lives back from their cash flow generated stigma.
Goodness, previously there was a letter to the editor saying it was part of the Christian heritage to slaughter gays and now Regular is saying it’s part of the Christian religion to molest and beat children. I’m supposing non-sadists need not apply.
Yeah, but Sursum, the Pope apologized for the 100 years of abuse.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30480591/
So I guess we are supposed to forget all about it and just keep on donating. Gee, all of this ended a mere 30 years ago and the fundies want to think this is all ancient history and should be swept under the rug. I suppose if we forget so they can get back to molesting children.
” But it is a topic that can get emotions stirred up as the haters attack religion”
Well hell, SOME of the faithful who post here are good for that.
Anyone proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of child molestation should be shot in the face shortly after conviction.
Mr_Kia
Posted May 21, 2009 at 8:01 am | Permalink
You refer to fundamentalists, catholics and evagelicals in the same breathe.
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Maggotpunk
Posted May 21, 2009 at 8:04 am | Permalink
Yes Kia, you can have rabid dogs of different breeds but they are still rabid.
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Predestined
Posted May 21, 2009 at 8:04 am | Permalink
They all worship the same God, don’t they, Kia?
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Why do y’all hate Obama so much? He is after all a self described Christian.
Who was it that spoke at his inauguration? Wasn’t it a world renowned evangelical?
Obama haters.
An occasional church abuse story–regardless how old and musty–must be necessary so as to allow the rabid anti-God, Christian-haters to practice their religion and spread their good word…of hate.
I think Obama’s presence at the University of Notre Dame’s graduation shows as much support for Catholic Church policy on these issues as I have.
Truth hurts, how about you church folks just stop molesting and beating kids? If we remained as silent as the churches would it make you happier because the abuse could continue unimpeded?
how about you church folks just stop molesting and beating kids?
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How about the Blacks just stop eating all the tasty watermelons?
A Dave Matthews video teaches a lesson on ‘Everyday.’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMBgSfQI49E
Hulu has announced that it’ll be live-streaming a concert for the first time: a June 1 show by the Dave Matthews Band at New York’s Beacon Theater. The online video hub will be the only place streaming the small concert live, at least legally.
Maggotpunk, you have the same mindset as a racist.
Yeah, sorry I can’t love child rapists the way you do Anti.
Maggotpunk
Posted May 21, 2009 at 9:23 am | Permalink
Yeah, sorry I can’t love child rapists the way you do Anti.
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Your mind works in strange ways.
You think my wanting to shoot child rapist in the face if a form of love?
That is messed up, Maggotpunk.
Maggotpunk
Posted May 21, 2009 at 9:16 am | Permalink
Truth hurts, how about you church folks just stop molesting and beating kids?
Obama is molesting kids?
Hillary is beating kids?
Where are the news stories?
So Anti, are you claiming you have the mindset of a racist?
So Anti, are you claiming you have the mindset of a racist?
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Damn your dumb.
Maggotpunk, you have the same mindset as a racist.
Obama is molesting kids?
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Biden thought he was molesting a kid, turns out it was a dead squirrel.
you’re..heh heh
“ANTI” resorts to –
“How about the Blacks just stop eating all the tasty watermelons?”
No comment needed.
Monkeyhawk
Posted May 21, 2009 at 9:30 am | Permalink
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I see you haven’t taken the vasectomy well.
Get back to waxing your Vespa and maybe this afternoon you can wash your Miata.
I love watermelon. Seriously, there is nothing tastier on hot summer day.
Re” Clarence Thomas
“Although he was held in bondage and considered a sub-species to white cotton planters, the “House N*gger was smart enough to get along by going along. J.C. Watts was the (literal) “*House* N*gger” for the Republic Party until he realized his political career was going nowhere except to be a (rare) black face of Republicanism”. – Monkeyhawk
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No comment needed.
Gee, “ANTI” –
If it weren’t for non sequiturs you’d have no sequiturs at all.
The idea that all Christians beat and molest their kids is no different than the idea that all Blacks drive Cadillacs and eat watermelon.
Sorry Monkeyhawk and Maggotpunk are to dense to understand this.
Anti, I didn’t realize fundies were the true Christians. That’s a very racist like thing for you to say.
ANTI
Posted May 21, 2009 at 9:40 am | Permalink
Sorry Monkeyhawk and Maggotpunk are to dense to understand this.
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Not at all a surprise however.
Maggotpunk
Posted May 21, 2009 at 9:43 am | Permalink
Anti, I didn’t realize..
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Well, you don’t realize a lot of things.
Anti, I’m guessing you’ll tell everyone that non-fundamentalists are the equivalent to “race traitors”.
Anti, I’m guessing you’ll tell everyone that non-fundamentalists are the equivalent to “race traitors”.
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I suggest you keep guessing, so far you haven’t gotten anything right.
It’s difficult to get things right when trying to understand your nonsense.
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ANTI
Posted May 21, 2009 at 9:40 am | Permalink
The idea that all Christians beat and molest their kids is no different than the idea that all Blacks drive Cadillacs and eat watermelon.
Sorry Monkeyhawk and Maggotpunk are to dense to understand this.
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What’s to understand? You’re comparison makes no logical sense. You seem to imply that driving Cadillacs and eating watermelon are bad things.
Beating and molesting children are obviously bad things to most people.
Cadillacs and eating watermelon
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Replace with rape and murder.
The idea that all Christians beat and molest their kids is no different than the idea that all Blacks are rapist and murderous animals.
Sorry Monkeyhawk and Maggotpunk are to dense to understand this.
Is that better Daniel?
ANTI
Posted May 21, 2009 at 9:56 am | Permalink
Cadillacs and eating watermelon
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Replace with rape and murder.
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I would have chose drug dealing.
So Anti, you are saying that making an generalization about Blacks is the same as repeating a stated fact that the Catholic Church conducted acts of institutionalized rape and abuse? Funny how I can point to a report that supports this (hint, it’s at the top of the page) but there’s nothing to support that all Blacks eat watermelon and drive Caddys.
Perhaps logic just isn’t your strong suit.
there’s nothing to support that all Blacks eat watermelon and drive Caddys.
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But there is something to support all Christians are child abusers and pedophiles?
the Catholic Church conducted acts
The report covers evey Catholic Church in the world? We reading the same report?
I can produce a “report” that shows a black man comitted a crime.
Samey same?
“But there is something to support all Christians are child abusers and pedophiles?”
No, but nobody made that claim either.
“The report covers evey Catholic Church in the world? We reading the same report?
I can produce a “report” that shows a black man comitted a crime.
Samey same?”
I didn’t realize Blacks were an institution with a hierarchy. Perhaps you’ll claim this same Black guy was committing the crime for a hundred years.
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SolDevVB
Posted May 21, 2009 at 10:05 am | Permalink
the Catholic Church conducted acts
The report covers evey Catholic Church in the world? We reading the same report?
I can produce a “report” that shows a black man comitted a crime.
Samey same?
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There is only one Catholic Church. The individual parishes are sort of like franchises.
It’s really not set up all that different than corporations.
“ANTI” tries –
“The idea that all Christians beat and molest their kids…”
…is a classic CON straw man. (Check in with the virgin prophet “Nathaniel” on that one, “ANTI.” He hates those kinds of arguments.)
Of course there are some “christians” who don’t beat and molest kids. Dozens of ‘em, for all I know.
But the cold hard solid facts of the issue is some “christians” — many of them in authority — have, in fact, molested kids, done meth with gay hookers, boinked the church secretary, diddled around to get the preacher’s wife to blow him away with a shotgun….
And the only answer the “christians” have in response is along the lines of “Non-christians do it, TOO!”
So…
What’s the difference?
What’s the advantage of being a vociferous evangelical fundamentalist?
What makes the twice-born somehow role-models whose lives are somehow something others might aspire to?
For all I know, Pope Ratso hasn’t wanted to slaughter Jews since the Hitler Youth shut down.
On the basis of recent evidence, Jimmy Swaggart hasn’t checked into a roadside motel with a hooker since 1988.
David Koresh (despite evidence given from his victims) may or may not have known (in the Biblical sense) the daughters of his flock.
Polygamist sects of the Mormon Church sure have a solid basis for their beliefs in the Holy Scriptures.
But no, “ANTI.”
Not ALL “christians beat and molest their kids.” I never said that. You lied when you alleged I did.
I’m used to you CONs’ tactics.
This is a particularly lame one. It never works. You CONs just seem to go back to it when you have nothing to defend your case.
Of course there are some “christians” who don’t beat and molest kids. Dozens of ‘em, for all I know.
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How generous of you, bigot.
duh Libs appear to be experts on the subject of child molestation.
I’d think the reasonable person would acknowledge that the Catholic Church has engaged in criminal activity and demand the Church apologize for such behavior. However we have the apologists who go after the critics. I guess the critics and the victims are to blame.
Like it’s the woman’s fault for getting raped.
I didn’t realize Blacks were an institution with a hierarchy.
And that has relevance here?
Perhaps you’ll claim this same Black guy was committing the crime for a hundred years.
Why does it have to be the same black guy? Was it the same priest/nun/whatever that beat and abused children?
You don’t do well when cornered do you?
Monkeyhawk
Posted May 21, 2009 at 10:08 am | Permalink
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As usual, a whole lot of words to say nothing presented to us by Monkeyhawk.
Atta boy.
Sol, you’re the one who made the analogy so don’t blame me if your analogy doesn’t make sense.
Barack Obama used cocaine. He is the leader of the Democrat party. They have a hierarchy. They have been around for ~100 years.
Democrats are coke heads.
your analogy doesn’t make sense.
Actually it is you that does not make sense. Broad blanket statements often make you look foolish. You have mastered the art.
Here’s an analogy to the Catholic Church scandal. Chevron Oil is facing a lawsuit due to it’s deeds in the Amazon and the massive pollution it’s claimed to have caused over a period of 23 years.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/01/60minutes/main4983549.shtml
The apologists here would say it’s not Chevron’s fault but the actions of a few individuals. Sure they were employees of Chevron, and the company stood by while the polluting occurred, but the company is not at fault.
Somehow if the company used that reasoning in court I doubt they’d be very successful.
“Barack Obama used cocaine. He is the leader of the Democrat party.”
Democrat party? See, you don’t even know what you are talking about. Thanks for proving you have no intention on being intelligent today.
Sol, I’m interested. Can you provide any information that President Obama used cocaine when he was the leader of the DEMOCRATIC party. Democratic party, perhaps you’ve heard of it?
He was a democrat when he did it right? Think he wrote about it in a book or something.
No Sol, you said he was the head of the party, so can you support your claim?
Democrats are thieves and liars. Jefferson is a democrat. I stole $90,000 and lied about it.
Democrats are thieves and liars.
Remember Shoe.
No Sol, you said he was the head of the party,
Doesn’t being the president make you the leader of your party?
When did he use cocaine? Like 30 years ago? How old is this thread’s story?
Were any of the child abusers the leader of the Catholic church?
You really don’t do well when cornered.
Good comparison Sol, because when Jefferson was busted the Democratic party responded and stripped him of his committee assignments. What did the Catholic Church do over the years?
Once again your comparisons fail. Perhaps child rapists should get a better advocate than you.
I stole $90,000 should be he stole $90,000
Defrocked priest back in prison
Defrocked priest back in prison
Sex offender Campobello picked up for probation violation
April 9, 2009
Sol, you claimed President Obama was the head of the Democratic party when he used cocaine. Can you support that? Really he didn’t, nor was he even an employee of the Democratic party, nor was his acts covered and protected by the Democratic party.
Sol, thanks for proving once again your intention on being a complete moron.
You really should quit when you’re beat. You keep digging yourself in deeper and deeper…
Maggotpunk
Posted May 21, 2009 at 10:26 am | Permalink
Sol, you claimed President Obama was the head of the Democratic party when he used cocaine.
SolDevVB
Posted May 21, 2009 at 10:14 am | Permalink
Barack Obama used cocaine. He is the leader of the Democrat party.
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Maggotpunk
Posted May 21, 2009 at 10:24 am | Permalink
Good comparison Sol, because when Jefferson was busted the
And by using your blanket statement, this still makes the Democrat party thieves and liars.
Comprising less than 1 percent of the population, Homosexuals are responsible for a significant number of pedophile attacks on young males
32 percent of those child molestation cases involved homosexuals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the population.
Judith Reisman, in her book, Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences describes the research done by Dr. Gene Abel. In a sample of 153 homosexual molesters, they confessed to a total of 22,981 molestations. This is equivalent to 150 children per molester.
This means that 40% of child molestations were by homosexuals. (Los Angeles Times)
And coke heads.
Over a decade ago a story came on about the Gray Nuns and their abuse of orphans.
For the first time I learned of my dad’s deep and abiding hatred of Nuns.
Which taking into account most of the family is Catholics seemed odd to me.
He attended a Catholic school until High school, I had to ask him why he hated Nuns.
He told me of abuses and the ridged standards that there were no mercy shown or understanding for the situation. He admitted that things were not as sever as with the Gray Nuns, but he had no doubt considering what he was subject to and what he had saw. That it was true and that Nuns would be fully capable of such abuses.
So why now with this report? Darkness hates light, to keep such darkness hidden in darkness allows it to grow. Even if it is not continuing, to admit it did happen keeps it and other abuses from happening again.
Now, this report and what my dad endure is not the Catholic church as a whole. Churches are made of human beings and that is a species that can be prone to faults and evils by the individuals that make up a church. Nor is it the entire Christian faith, it should not be taken as such.
Nothing can be done about Sol’s stupidity today, he is just so intent on protecting child molesters and child abusers today. Perhaps something in his past is affecting him.
Comprising less than 1 percent of the population, Homosexuals are responsible for a significant number of pedophile attacks on young males
32 percent of those child molestation cases involved homosexuals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the population.
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Someone should keep a close eye on Maggotpunk.
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ANTI
Posted May 21, 2009 at 10:34 am | Permalink
Comprising less than 1 percent of the population, Homosexuals are responsible for a significant number of pedophile attacks on young males
32 percent of those child molestation cases involved homosexuals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the population.
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Someone should keep a close eye on Maggotpunk.
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I wonder if he lives near an elementary school?
And you at least proved the liar part maggot. Thank you.
Can you copy paste anything I have written here that defends your statement?
You just don’t do well when cornered maggie.
I wonder if he lives near an elementary school?
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I do know he is fond of ground up babies…That’s just sick.
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ANTI
Posted May 21, 2009 at 10:37 am | Permalink
I wonder if he lives near an elementary school?
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I do know he is fond of ground up babies…That’s just sick.
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Maggot probably has the ‘troll line’ out on FaceBook and MySpace.
This issue is that we see is accusations of the Catholic church sweeping widespread allegations under the rug in a blase fashion, and in numerous different parishes on two continents.
That would be appear to an institutional issue.
But not to worry: since they are the Church, they are the source of morality, so sit down and shut up. Any qualms non-Catholics–let alone agnostics/heathens might raise–are irrelevant, because such persons have only “subject judgments” rather than a reliable source of morality such as the Church. /sarcasmOFF
“Dig Doug Deeper”, is that pedophile code, Maggotpunk?
Child abusers should be tried in court, goes without saying.
As per your statement Rage, and Regular’s, you would have to condemn homosexuals as well.
Blanket statements don’t work. Not allowing priests to marry doesn’t seem to work either. If Catholics would remove that ridiculous restraint, there may not be as many problems.
Nuns involved with children tend to be pretty harsh as well. Not all of them, but the ones I’ve run into proved that point.
Maybe if they all just got laid things would be better.
GLBT youth in the United States represent the highest number of AIDS cases.
Blanket statements don’t work.
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Correct.
As per your statement Rage, and Regular’s, you would have to condemn homosexuals as well.
Huh???
Condemn homosexuals for what?
Child abuse Rage. Check the thread.
Child abuse Rage. Check the thread.
I read the thread. What you’re saying clearly makes no sense whatsover, at least to anyone with a reasonable familiarity with logic.
That would be appear to an institutional issue.
32 percent of those child molestation cases involved homosexuals.
For those of you who are scoring at home –
Refer back to my 10:08 post.
Look at all that was ignored by CONs in their desperate attempts to somehow rationalize their silly outrage.
Personal attacks. Schoolyard snarks. It’s all they’ve got when faced with facts and logic.
I’m not sure anyone on this forum pay any attention to my Netflix suggestions. But if there are, watch “Doubt.”
If for no other reason that it shows Meryl Streep and Phillip Seymour Hoffman at their best, this is an important film. It’s an elegant script which leaves you in, y’know, doubt. About what happened, about how the church dealt with it in 1964, about how dangerous it is when one does not need evidence to be certain.
I understand that in Arizona where Rage lives there is an abnormally high incident rate of child molestation and child kidnapping.
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Regular
Posted May 21, 2009 at 10:29 am | Permalink
Comprising less than 1 percent of the population, Homosexuals are responsible for a significant number of pedophile attacks on young males
32 percent of those child molestation cases involved homosexuals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the population.
Judith Reisman, in her book, Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences describes the research done by Dr. Gene Abel. In a sample of 153 homosexual molesters, they confessed to a total of 22,981 molestations. This is equivalent to 150 children per molester.
This means that 40% of child molestations were by homosexuals. (Los Angeles Times)
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Do you have a link to this information, Regular?
32 percent of those child molestation cases involved homosexuals.
Sigh. . . ,
For your incredibly stupid analogy to even approach relevance, there would have to be widespread allegations of misconduct within a single organization, say the Human Rights Campaign, and perhaps a reticence by Joe Solomonese to address them.
If someone had claimed “X percent of Catholics molest children, therefore Catholics are child molesters,” that would fit the bill. No one–of course–is saying such a thing (even Maggotpunk is condemning the institutional Church itself).
I’m done here. I can actually feel my brain shrinking.
P.S. Even if such allegations were made about the HRC, it would not taint all gays. Try again.
I can actually feel my brain shrinking.
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Being a LIB does that to people.
Do you have a link to this information, Regular?
Just type in the authors or the newspaper + the keywords, it’s all over the Internet.
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ANTI
Posted May 21, 2009 at 11:11 am | Permalink
I can actually feel my brain shrinking.
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Being a LIB does that to people.
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You’re on fire today, ANTI.
“Someone should keep a close eye on Maggotpunk.”
Why Anti, do you think Sol or one of the other advocates of institutional abuse is planning on molesting me? Thank you for your concern.
Why Anti, do you think Sol or one of the other advocates of institutional abuse is planning on molesting me? Thank you for your concern.
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What did that take, like 45 minutes to come up with?
Sorry Anti, I’m just not glued to the computer to wait for your next post.
I’m just not glued to the computer to wait for your next post.
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Then what are you glued to?
And you continue to prove that Democrats are liars.
advocates of institutional abuse
Sol, you just learned today that it’s the Democratic party, not the Democrat party, so what’s makes you think anyone should trust you concerning a position on the Democratic party?
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Regular
Posted May 21, 2009 at 11:12 am | Permalink
Do you have a link to this information, Regular?
Just type in the authors or the newspaper + the keywords, it’s all over the Internet.
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I see now. I don’t blame you for not wanting to post a link to that.
A 22 year-old study of 199 teachers that begins with the faulty premise that homosexuals only comprise 1% of the population?
And, of course, ANTI and SolDevVB quote the 32% figure from your post and present it as fact proving that stupidity really is contagious.
And, of course, ANTI and SolDevVB quote the 32% figure from your post and present it as fact proving that stupidity really is contagious.
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We were using Maggotpunk example of debate to show how ridiculous it is.
A 22 year-old study of 199 teachers that begins with the faulty premise that homosexuals only comprise 1% of the population?
Sort of like a 30 year old case on Irish child abuse eh?
Regular, who is in charge of homosexuals? Do they operate as a business or a church? I’m wondering how you can make a comparison.
Besides, it’s not a 30 years case with the Catholic Church, it has been going on since the late 19th century. Perhaps you aren’t familiar with the topic of this thread.
The Democrat party. Lead by a coke head, therefore all Democrats are coke heads. With members that lie and steal, therefore all Democrats are liars and thieves.
That the Democrat party you are referring to maggie?
who is in charge of homosexuals?
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A Queen.
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Maggotpunk
Posted May 21, 2009 at 11:44 am | Permalink
Regular, who is in charge of homosexuals? Do they operate as a business or a church? I’m wondering how you can make a comparison.
Besides, it’s not a 30 years case with the Catholic Church, it has been going on since the late 19th century. Perhaps you aren’t familiar with the topic of this thread.
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Some people actual read what’s below the topic header.
It’s terrible enough that priests and nuns terrorized and abused thousands of boys and girls in Ireland, according to a commission report released Wednesday.
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Regular
Posted May 21, 2009 at 11:41 am | Permalink
A 22 year-old study of 199 teachers that begins with the faulty premise that homosexuals only comprise 1% of the population?
Sort of like a 30 year old case on Irish child abuse eh?
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The ’study’ you cited is fantasy. The 30 year old case on Irish child abuse is reality.
I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised that you are unable to differentiate between the two.
“The Democrat party. Lead by a coke head, therefore all Democrats are coke heads. With members that lie and steal, therefore all Democrats are liars and thieves.
That the Democrat party you are referring to maggie?”
Yup Sol, I see you are incapable of learning something immensely simple. There is no Democrat Party, but I guess you’re stuck on stupid today.
“Some people actual read what’s below the topic header.
It’s terrible enough that priests and nuns terrorized and abused thousands of boys and girls in Ireland, according to a commission report released Wednesday.”
I suppose you can read but you still can’t comprehend.
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SolDevVB
Posted May 21, 2009 at 11:44 am | Permalink
The Democrat party. Lead by a coke head, therefore all Democrats are coke heads. With members that lie and steal, therefore all Democrats are liars and thieves.
That the Democrat party you are referring to maggie?
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It’s funny that you keep posting that because I’d wager that Obama’s coke use pales in comparison to W’s coke-addled years down in Houston.
It’s funny that you keep posting that
Yeah and it is funny that you people can’t back down from blanket statements even after you are made to look foolish.
Whether you personally, Daniel, made a blanket statement or not, using maggie’s logic, you are lumped into the same regardless.
Daniel
Posted May 21, 2009 at 11:54 am | Permalink
The ’study’ you cited is fantasy. The 30 year old case on Irish child abuse is reality.
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“In 1987, Dr. Stephen Rubin of Whitman College conducted a ten-state study of sex abuse cases
involving school teachers. He studied 199 cases. Of those, 122 male teachers had molested girls,
while 14 female teachers had molested boys. He also discovered that 59 homosexual male teachers had molested boys and female homosexual teachers had molested girls. In other words, 32 percent of those child molestation cases involved homosexuals. Nearly a third of these cases come from 1-2 percent of the population.”
http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2009/02/child-molestation-and-homosexuality-2/
Fictional eh? :)
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SolDevVB
Posted May 21, 2009 at 12:01 pm | Permalink
It’s funny that you keep posting that
Yeah and it is funny that you people can’t back down from blanket statements even after you are made to look foolish.
Whether you personally, Daniel, made a blanket statement or not, using maggie’s logic, you are lumped into the same regardless.
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If you read upthread you’ll see that it was Mr_Kia who introduced blanket statements to the discussion.
And, FWIW, I’m responsible for my posts and no one else’s. You can lump whatever you want to….I don’t really care.
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Regular
Posted May 21, 2009 at 12:04 pm | Permalink
Fictional eh? :)
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It’s on the internet so it must be true?
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Daniel
Posted May 21, 2009 at 12:25 pm | Permalink
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Regular
Posted May 21, 2009 at 12:04 pm | Permalink
Fictional eh? :)
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It’s on the internet so it must be true?
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Prove that it isn’t.
Or get off the pot…
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Regular
Posted May 21, 2009 at 12:28 pm | Permalink
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Daniel
Posted May 21, 2009 at 12:25 pm | Permalink
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Regular
Posted May 21, 2009 at 12:04 pm | Permalink
Fictional eh? :)
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It’s on the internet so it must be true?
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Prove that it isn’t.
Or get off the pot…
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You’re asking me to prove a negative? Think about that for awhile. I’ll be back after lunch.
Two comments:
1) The Catholic Church, as an institution, has shown the continued regrettable tendancy to take whatever power they can get, and to protect the reputation of the institution first. The Catholic Church is not only a religion, it is an institution (and as such it is largely unique). The horrors described in Ireland were not that long ago, and the church continued to try to stonewall those horrors up until the present. In particular, they were determined to hide their culpability in terms of hiding not only pedophiles, but institutional abuse. One wonders what behavior is still justified under the umbrella of the church in places such as Poland and Brazil. It isn’t that the church doesn’t do considerable good as well, but Ratzinger and his ilk truly believe that the church should wield as much power and influence as they are allowed to in any given location, and their selfish pragmatism is underestimated at everyone’s peril.
2) The grand old troll sites an article about the quack (and that’s putting it waaay too kindly) Judith Reisman. She has a Ph.D. in “Communications” and once wrote for Captain Kangaroo, and I am not sure how that qualifies her to be an expert in “erototoxins”. Her ability to describe the research of Gene Abel is, too put it way to kindly, laughable (btw, Abel did not say anything about 32 percent of child molestation cases involving homosexuals, in fact, that claim was at first reported to come from completely different sources, incorrectly sited by the nutjob Paul Cameron). Reisman just recycled it and claimed another source for it.
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Daniel
Posted May 21, 2009 at 12:31 pm | Permalink
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Regular
Posted May 21, 2009 at 12:28 pm | Permalink
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Daniel
Posted May 21, 2009 at 12:25 pm | Permalink
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Regular
Posted May 21, 2009 at 12:04 pm | Permalink
Fictional eh? :)
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It’s on the internet so it must be true?
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Prove that it isn’t.
Or get off the pot…
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You’re asking me to prove a negative? Think about that for awhile. I’ll be back after lunch.
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No, a negative would be something that doesn’t exist.
Obviously, I gave you a link, the author’s name, time and place to show the authenticity.
Evidently, your unwillingness to come forth with anything that disputes those facts is an indicator of your intellectual ineptness.
The ‘jawless fish’ is afraid to site sources.
cite too…
Re: Regular
DNFTT
trolls…
http://www.flayme.com/troll/
“ANTI
Posted May 21, 2009 at 8:50 am | Permalink
Anyone proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of child molestation should be shot in the face shortly after conviction.”
I would only agree to that if false accusations carried the same punishment. (or in the case of accusations by kids, jail until 18 then the shooting; their parents could be shot immediately though)
I would only agree to that if false accusations carried the same punishment. (or in the case of accusations by kids, jail until 18 then the shooting; their parents could be shot immediately though)
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I can dig it.
The Catholic Church is/was omnipotent in some places and nobody could get elected with a diminishing comment from the pulpit. If you were a leftist regime and did not give the Church it’s due, they worked against you with the full support of the US. If you were a rigthist regime and did not do the Church’s bidding they fomented “freedom fighters” or something called liberation theology. Do we recall the Vatican/Nazi non-interference pact engineered by Pacelli soon to be Pius X11? Mussolini arrived at a concordat as well with the Pope in which the Facists were left alone in exchange for a picture of the Pope and a crucifix in every classroom, voiding a tradition of non-sectarian schooling of a United Italy. In Poland the Church in a great part, brought down the Communist party when it would not comply more with its’ wishes, for after 50 years of co-operation the Commies thought the Church was still happy with the relationship.In 2004 the Church forced the Irish government to never disclose the name of the molesters and capped any damages at 120 million pounds. To this day the culprits go unnamed and the pay-out so far by the Irish Government is over 1.2 billion pounds in other words, the victims are doing the penance. Unless you grew up in a Catholic milleau, their power to ostricize and intimidate would amaze you. Kids who complained were called liars and their parents,if they persued the matter, were threated with lawsuits and or excommunication. The priests actually knocked on your door demanding to know if you were using the rhythm method or bith control or to expain why you only had 1-2 kids. I saw it! Just recently that graduate of the Hitler Youth refused to call a holocaust denier Cardinal to account and under Franco the Spanish Military actually had a rank of Aide de Camp to the Blessed Virgin Mary. Where torture was a part of the “justice” code (Chile under Pinochette,etc) the Church offered solace and therapy to the torturers who were having a tough time accepting their jobs.
Sorry to interject some reason and logic to this, Pedophiles are stuck in a mode. They are in the age of sexual attraction when it was developed. It tends to reflect the focus of that sexual attraction, some it is not so much homosexual as it is whom they had their first sexual contact with. Long story but it is far more common for the first sexual contact to be with the same sex. Be it male or female it is often with the same sex. Simply enough, if 12 y.o. Johnny asks if 12 y.o. Mary down the street can sleep over in his bedroom there is objection! If Johnny asks if Bobby down the street can sleep over in his bedroom it is agreed to.
It is not consider homosexual desire as much as simply sexual exploration.
Peds who go after young boys are stuck in that age range.
OK now back to illogic bashing of Homosexuals and associating them to molesting children. Later kiss-kiss bye-bye!
Writer Dog — good observation… Just one word — The percentage of pedophiles that are homosexual isnt terribly high… Most of them are, in fact, heterosexual… They have a major screw loose…
However, homphobes wont back off of their insane bigotry against gays… That is their loose screw!!
Trolls are usually sad, lonely folk, with few social skills; they rarely make what most people would consider intelligent conversation. However, they frequently have an obsession with their IQ and feel the need to tell everyone. This is so frequent, that it is diagnostic! Somewhere on the web there must be an Intelligence Test for Trolls – rigged to always say “above 150″
http://www.flayme.com/troll
OK now back to illogical bashing of Christians and associating them to molesting children.
That is what this thread is about Writerdog, ask Maggotpunk.
Beautiful day for anything but typing… Enjoy it while we have it!
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Chas
Posted May 21, 2009 at 2:05 pm | Permalink
Trolls are usually sad, lonely folk, with few social skills; they rarely make what most people would consider intelligent conversation. However, they frequently have an obsession with their IQ and feel the need to tell everyone. This is so frequent, that it is diagnostic! Somewhere on the web there must be an Intelligence Test for Trolls – rigged to always say “above 150?
http://www.flayme.com/troll
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Re: Chas
D.N.F.T.T.
Say Chas,
Aren’t you a Christian Pastor?…
Church protected abusers
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Chas?
Is Chas abusing himself again?
Did the church protect him?
Is that Chas I hear ‘qweefing?’
The religious nuts here are claiming the story from Ireland was an isolated incident from 30yrs ago. Yet the curch has had to pay billions and billions to abuse victims just in this country, and more are turning up daily.
Historically, the 11th century church owned brothels that they hoped would keep the priests and monks away from their nuns. The 18th century Jesuit schools were well known in their day for sexual and physical abuse of students and each other. The Marquis de Sade got his start from them. Casanova was a priest. And how many popes had concubines?
And that’s just the catholics. Protestantism has opened whole new venues for abuse and has been just about as rife with scandals. You’ve heard about them, from Aime Semple McPherson to Jim Jones to Jimmy Swaggart to Jim Bakker to all the others that are in the news lately.
Now I’m not saying that the cause is religion- abuse has been around a lot longer than churches- but churches have dealt with it in ways that are designed to protect the church and not the victims, and insure that the abuse will be ongoing. They could have admitted it and prosecuted it or turned it over to the state to prosecute. They could have at least tried to bring justice and healing to the victims. They didn’t on either count. When charges arose, they tried to smear victims, they transferred priests to other places to molest more kids, they made settlements with victims and families of victims that enforced silence. It was all about covering their own asses. Now the church is in a crisis that it may not survive, and the church brought it on itself, and is desperately casting about for someone else to bear the blame (see above posts).
Jed,
I read your post from last night, thanks for taking my ribbing with humor and a grain of salt. I meant no disrespect.
Jed
Posted May 21, 2009 at 3:59 pm | Permalink
The religious nuts here are claiming the story from Ireland was an isolated incident from 30yrs ago. Yet the curch has had to pay billions and billions to abuse victims just in this country…
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At least they were compensated…
The rogue homosexuals that molest children left them with nothing but AIDS and other STD’s.
The consistent theme I see here (no, actually daily), is that most Dems believe religion is stupid, and all Christians are child abusers/molesters and flaming hypcrites. Once again, I suggest Dems should all run on that platform going forward, I’m sure it’ll be a winner!
BFD,
All? Certainly not, but the many who post here exhibit many of the character flaws that make the religious a poor working example of of the morality they attempt to impose on the rest of society. Get busy cleaning up up your own back yard instead of blogging bleats and maybe you’ll get treated with the respect you so yearn for.
reggie,
“At least they were compensated…”
Only because the courts finally stepped in and forced the church to take responsibility for their actions. The vast majority died long before justice was available to them. They were called liars by the church or threatened or coerced into silence to protect the reputation of corrupt popes, cardinals, bishops, priests monks and nuns. Others were delayed justice by the secrecy of the church until the statutes of limitations denied it. Only because a courageous few managed to finally be heard were many more able to come forward. I suspect that the true magnatude of the sexual/physical abuse scandal has yet to see daylight. When it does, it will bring down what could have been a force for great good, had it only been honest with itself.
DEJ – “all”..oh, you’re right, I missed MH’s qualifier above:
“Of course there are some “christians” who don’t beat and molest kids. Dozens of ‘em, for all I know.”
Out of a billion or so, there’s “dozens”.
It is interesting that you apparently know so much about my “back yard”. And I can’t say anything more clearly than…I ain’t yearning for ANYTHING from you.
Did I somehow suggest that I support the morally corrupt who hide behind religion, such as the Irish reported on above…or did I simply suggest that instead of thrashing religion on a daily basis on this lame blog, people who feel the need should step up and say it out loud by running as a candidate who shares that view of Christians with the world?
Trolls are usually lonely folk, with few social skills; they rarely make what most people would consider intelligent conversation. However, they frequently have an obsession with their IQ and feel the need to tell everyone. This is so frequent, that it is diagnostic! Somewhere on the web there must be an Intelligence Test for Trolls – rigged to always say “above 150?
http://www.flayme.com/troll
Troll left a STD at his link.
Don’t click on it.
“Regular
Posted May 21, 2009 at 4:02 pm | Permalink
…The rogue homosexuals that molest children left them with nothing but AIDS and other STD’s.”
It’s a good thing those are imaginary creatures. Or at least very very rare.
“JimJohnson
Posted May 21, 2009 at 5:27 pm | Permalink
Troll left a STD at his link.
Don’t click on it.”
You scared people will find out more truths about you?
Since Chas is posting this same post repeatedly on different topics today, it would be wise to think before clicking on a link that IT is so forcefully trying some to click on.
And Chas has the audacity to post the WE Blog posting policy today!
Ant,
“I meant no disrespect.”
I know. I wouldn’t have made it to this advanced age without a sense of humor. And those grains of salt are what fell off the potato chips. I still have plenty of those left.
I can vouch for that link. I posted it before chas did on this blog, and I posted it several weeks ago when the topic came up.
Are you sure there is no other reason you don’t want your fellow bloggers to learn about trolls and how to deal with them?
BFD,
“And I can’t say anything more clearly than…I ain’t yearning for ANYTHING from you.”
And yet you are constantly trying to engage me in some debate or other, especially on the subject of religion.
If it’s my soul you are concerned with, I’ll tell ya what; the worst hell I can imagine would be to be trapped for eternity with an endless pack of you religious nutcases. So if you really want to keep my soul out of hell, please don’t try to take me with you!
DEJ – man, you really must be as old as they say, because your memory’s really slipping. Show me where I engaged you by name with my first posting. And as I said, please promote all your freakshow candidates to use terms like “religious nutcases” as early and often as possible. Grow some sack and say it loud and proud, all together as a party!
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But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith .. paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons . . . by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron . . . men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth . . . For everything created by God is good .. and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude . . . for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer
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The Bible .. context
The Apostle Paul’s first letter to Timothy
Chapter 4 ~ 57 AD
Audio = Real Answers Radio
Am I supposed to be surprised?? Nothing that organized religion does surprises me at all. Most of them are the worst of the evil. Jesus came into the world to SAVE it and if he had any idea how his teachings would be taken and twisted buy today’s religious nutcases and churches, he probably would have had second thoughts about that mission!
no .. his mission is right on track . . . false religious systems and cults are a sign that we are in the last days
PS: . . . it only gets worse from here
Yeah, “dadman” –
Except we’ve been “in the last days” for 2000 years or more.
One of my favorite bumper stickers:
“In case of Rapture, I get your stuff.”
Monkey . . . you can have my stuff .. :)
The Future of Israel . . . listen and learn
http://community.beliefnet.com/placements/go/thread/view/52291/14666171/The_Future_of_Israel?sdb=1&post_num=1#293789191
Daddyboy,
Every generation since Jesus has seen the signs and assumed it was in the end days. So far those end days have lasted almost 2,000 years. What makes you so certain they won’t last a few thousand more? Not something you ought to be depending on.
Know this first of all [ Jed ] .. that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking .. following after their own lusts .. and saying .. “Where is the promise of His coming? .. For ever since the fathers fell asleep .. all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation” .. For when they maintain this .. it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water .. through which the world at that time was destroyed .. being flooded with water .. But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire .. kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men .. But do not let this one fact escape your notice .. beloved .. that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years .. and a thousand years like one day .. The Lord is not slow about His promise .. as some count slowness .. but is patient toward you .. not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance .. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief .. in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat .. and the earth and its works will be burned up .. Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way .. what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness .. looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God .. because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning .. and the elements will melt with intense heat .. But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth .. in which righteousness dwells . . . . II Peter 3
Daddyboy,
And?
What exactly is it that makes these last days any different that all the previous last days? Or all the future last days?
One of the most interesting of the end days stories I heard was about a bunch of religious nuts whose preacher took them out in the woods to await the last judgement, which he figured was due on October 7th, 1913. When a reporter showed up around the first of November to ask wha’ Happen?, he was told by the preacher that the world ended as scheduled, and he couldn’t be blamed if the reporter was too dumb to notice!
keep an eye on Israel .. the confirmation of the covenant and the building of a third Jewish Temple