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Why is there lower crime in Scotland? It’s because they employ Jedis, the one true religion.
“Strathclyde Police said the officers and two of its civilian staff claimed to follow the faith, which features in the Star Wars movies.
The details were obtained in a Freedom of Information request by Jane’s Police Review.
Strathclyde was the only force in the UK to admit it had Jedi officers.”
More at:
http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/04/the-force-is-strong-with-these-cops/
This story should upset a lot of the folks who were out teabagging yesterday. Here this lazy bum comes back and demands AIG give him a new leg and glasses. Why doesn’t this bum get a job? AIG is hurting and their execs are being harassed for their bonuses which they worked so hard for. Instead of demanding a new leg this guy should be telling Congress he wants tax cuts for the CEOs.
Blind Amputee Has to Fight AIG for New Plastic Leg, Wheelchair
An Oklahoma man who lost an eye and a leg in Iraq says the giant insurance company AIG refused to provide him a new plastic leg and fought to keep from paying for a wheelchair or glasses for the eye in which he has 30 percent vision.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=7346693&page=1
And for the final story of the morning. A report comes out on the brilliant success of NAFTA. Thanks to millions of jobs being sent to Mexico the amount of trucks importing goods, that were once made in USA, has greatly increased. Since we don’t want to raise taxes for inspection, drugs are shipped into the trucks and get by without even a peek inside. Kinda makes this entire “war on drugs” look like an even bigger joke.
Cocaine Highways: Post-NAFTA, Most Drugs Cross U.S. Borders in Trucks
Mexican Cartels Using Huge Fleet of 18-Wheelers, Only 5% Inspected at Border Crossing
Most of the drug shipments smuggled into the United States by the Mexican cartels are hidden in trucks that drive across U.S. border checkpoints in plain sight, with little fear of inspection, U.S. law enforcement officials tell ABC News.
Only about 5 percent of trucks coming into the country from Mexico are inspected, according to U.S. officials.
More at:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=7354412&page=1
WASHINGTON (CNN) – Steve Schmidt, a key architect of John McCain’s presidential campaign, is making his first public return to Washington a bold one.
Schmidt will use a speech Friday to Log Cabin Republicans, a gay rights group, to urge conservative Republicans to drop their opposition to same-sex marriage, CNN has learned.
“There is a sound conservative argument to be made for same-sex marriage,” Schmidt will say, according to speech excerpts obtained by CNN. “I believe conservatives, more than liberals, insist that rights come with responsibilities. No other exercise of one’s liberty comes with greater responsibilities than marriage.”
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Hmmm…this exposes the CONs here as extreme right wing fanatics.
Perhaps there is something to the idea that they are NOT CONs at all but radicals trying to destroy America. Takes their guns and lock ‘em up!
Banner on CNN this morning: Bush era memo O.K.s insect use for interrogation.
From Ann
Democrats governed California the way Democrats always govern. They bought the votes of government workers with taxpayer-funded jobs, salaries and benefits — and then turned around and accused the productive class of “greed” for wanting not to have their taxes raised through the roof.
Having run out of things to tax, now the California legislature is considering a tax on taxes. Seriously. The only way out now for California is a tax on Botox and steroids. Sure, the governor will protest, but it is the best solution …
California was, in fact, a laboratory of Democratic policies. The rabbit died, so now Obama is trying it on a national level.
That’s what the tea parties are about.”
Al Queida suspects forced to watch Karate Kid sequels for days on end in CIA black ops prisons.
Let it Be played for months in prisoner’s cells.
Terror movement causes WASPish reaction.
Maybe the old elementary school “spider down the shirt” method?
Regarding Ann the troll’s bullsh*t in the morning.
California is in the mess it is in because they have easy referenda, which allows taxpayers to simultaneously vote themselves increased spending and put lids on or cut their taxes. Yes, like too many other states, California over spent in good times, but both in collecting revenue and in having a responsive housing market the state has been hamstrung by Jarvis’ incalculably stupid Prop. 13. Given the means to do so, too many people will vote themselves money from the treasury while also voting to minimize their contribution to it. California is a living cautionary tale of what happens when you allow voters to do that.
maggotpunk: I know the Strathclyde area of Scotland enough to ask:- Do the Jedi recruits still use the central theme of sacramental offerings as do other Glaswegians, ie Scotch with a beer chasers? Is partaking of the liquid sacramental offering the base or ultimate experience of conversion? Does the choir sing “Just a wee doch and doris” followed by the near Natonal Anthem “I Belong to Glasgow?” And finally did the story first come to light on April 1? PS: The Brits have a deligtful sense of humor, and eccentricity is a revered trait
I looked up the insect thing. It was nothing. One of the interogees was afraid of bugs. So they put bugs in the tiny dark box they kept him in. Or said they were going to. Now then, locking people in toy chests, that’s scary. Ask my little brother. Warped him for life. Haw, haw, haw.
“When carrots are planted, beat will be produced.”- Gourd Artnickle
If you’ve never heard of Gourd Artnickle, that’s because he lives in the same unrealistic fantasy world as the mind of O’Bama.
In the actual verbiage of the memo….the terrorist was apparently scared of caterpillars…so the “insect was a caterpillar…so they approved putting him in a box with a prepubescent butterfly!! Good thing it wasn’t lady bugs or lightning bugs….now THAT would’ve been truly life altering terror….
The French Prez must be hoping O’Bama fails:
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The US President is weak, the Spanish leader is dim, the German Chancellor is clinging on to France’s coat-tails and the head of the European Commission is irrelevant.
That, at any rate, is the world according to President Sarkozy, who has spent the week airing his unvarnished opinions of Barack Obama and an array of international politicians — abruptly ending France’s honeymoon with the US and needling Washington on several strategic issues.
Who cares about ‘Old Europe’, back to freedom fries!
Lesson 243: How the right thinks.
“The federal courts have gone too far in restricting evidence that can be used in criminal trials, one of the nation’s top federal judges said Thursday during a visit to Wichita.
Edith Jones, chief judge for the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Houston, said the so-call exclusionary rule, which bars the admission of evidence obtained when police break the law during a search, has limited the effectiveness of criminal justice systems.
Many nations have laws that restricting confessions obtained through torture and other evidence obtained through blatant civil-rights violations. But she said the United States is the only country that routinely bars evidence obtained through good-faith efforts of law enforcement officers who make minor mistakes”
Now let’s hear no more carping from the right about utilizing thought from the judiciary in other nations.
Listen too the complaints, just stop and think, “do we want Bush and the ignorant Republicans back in office”, I don’t think so, the country could not take it. Our problems of today came from the Republicans and Bush.
NEW YORK – Citigroup lost money and General Electric’s profits fell but both beat Wall Street’s expectations
Weird.
Gov. Perry should be arrested and charged with subversion.
If you’re not wif us, you’re agin us!
O’Bama was ‘agin’ Guantanamo before he was ‘fer’ it.
Listen too the complaints…
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To them I will listen.
Regular posted April 17, 2009 at 1:18 am
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cosmos_originally
Posted April 17, 2009 at 12:05 am | Permalink
Regular posted April 16, 2009 at 11:43 pm
Take two bottles of your favorite carbonated beverage.
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I guess the old multi-nic’d Industrial Hygiene engineer thinks that coal-fired plants, IC engines, etc, are just big bottles of carbonated beverages? LOL!
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co2 obeys the laws of chemical physics, regardless of the source. co2 reaction to temperature doesn’t change just because it’s in a can or in the atmosphere.
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LOL!
Flail your arms wildly some more, multi-nic’d Regular!
Vegas sees latest snowfall on record…
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We’re all gonna die!!!!
‘New study warns damage to forests from climate change could cost the planet its major keeper of greenhouse gases‘
At UN forum on forests, scientists release analysis showing forests at risk of becoming net sources of carbon instead of net sinks
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-04/bc-nrw041409.php
‘New study warns damage to forests from climate change could cost the planet its major keeper of greenhouse gases‘
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Are those the same forest that the polar bears live in?
ANTI,
Those are the forests that in the future could act like your favourite bottle of (warm) carbonated beverage.
Anti, Donn,
GMail brothers.
Those are the forests that in the future could act like your favourite bottle of (warm) carbonated beverage.
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They are going to explode?
I’ll check it tonight Sol.
Thanks.
Hot can of Coke ™ (well shaken) on a hot summer day and a little .22 rifle. Lots of fun and you get to do your part to add CO2 – and some spent cordite- to the atmosphere.
‘Lack of permanent Arctic ice surprises explorers‘
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSTRE53G3GP20090417
Hot can of Coke ™ (well shaken) on a hot summer day and a little .22 rifle.
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I enjoy that. But there are times when more CO2 needs to be released.
For this I use a 2 liter of Coke in line with a .357 mag projectile.
Just doin’ my part.
Mentos and 2 liters of Diet Coke when you are within city limits. :D
ANTI posted April 17, 2009 at 9:54 am
Those are the forests that in the future could act like your favourite bottle of (warm) carbonated beverage.
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They are going to explode?
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Ask your arm-flailing friend and carbonated beverage expert, multi-nic’d Regular.
Ask your arm-flailing friend and carbonated beverage expert, multi-nic’d Regular.
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I’m asking you Cosmos.
This will probably eventually be one of the most viewed items on youtube of all time.
The crowd is ready for her to fail. They WANT her to fail. You can see the taste for blood in their eyes. It says a lot about the inherent meanness in society. But then this simple lady sings the first note and flips the crowd from the worst in humanity to the best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp0IWv8QZY&NR=1
BlueJay
Posted April 17, 2009 at 10:15 am | Permalink
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She has an absolutely beautiful voice.
Outstanding!
cosmos_originally
Posted April 17, 2009 at 10:03 am | Permalink
‘Lack of permanent Arctic ice surprises explorers‘
Hey SWEET!!! New shipping lanes. You think we could bring back those old coal fired steamers? Get those nice thick black plumes of smoke going over the horizon?
But then this simple lady sings the first note and flips the crowd from the worst in humanity to the best.
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Oh, Brother
WASHINGTON — The Environmental Protection Agency has concluded that carbon dioxide and five other greenhouse gases are a danger to public health and welfare. It is the first step to regulating pollution linked to climate change.
Congressional sources told The Associated Press that EPA will announce its proposed finding Friday and begin a comment period before issuing a final ruling. The EPA also will say tailpipe emissions from motor vehicles contribute to climate change. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the finding hasn’t been announced.
The action was prompted by a Supreme Court ruling two years that said greenhouse gases are pollutants under the Clean Air Act and must be regulated if found to be a human health danger.
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Here it comes!
I smell taxes.
soldevvb posted April 17, 2009 at 10:23 am
cosmos_originally
Posted April 17, 2009 at 10:03 am | Permalink
‘Lack of permanent Arctic ice surprises explorers‘
Hey SWEET!!! New shipping lanes. You think we could bring back those old coal fired steamers? Get those nice thick black plumes of smoke going over the horizon?
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Of course! It’d be excellent proof that you AGW science deniers are very stupid, self-centered, and do not care about the future.
cosmo “denier” HitParade”:
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AGW science deniers believe that their opinion is science.
You AGW science deniers are very weaselly.
You deniers lost the AGW science debate decades ago,
It’d be excellent proof that you AGW science deniers are very stupid, self-centered, and do not care about the future.
Let’s list Regular’s ignorance and denial of climate science. . .
That basically sums up the AGW deniers arguments.
You were/are too dumb, and/or too deep in denial, to understand the carbon cycle.
So you could not find any proof that you, and the other AGW deniers here, understand scientific methodology?
Now that there is some AGW deniers science fer ya.
Now list Happer’s paper(s) out of those “over 200? that support his AGW science denial.
How much does your beloved ignorant denial of climate science reduce emissions by?
That’s “true” only for ignorant and/or dumb AGW deniers.
you silly AGW science deniers.
You AGW deniers sure have some “interesting” comments
climate science that supports their AGW denial
AGW deniers Shimkus and Lord Christopher Monckton
soldevvb is a liar. I’ve said that they do not have any credible science to support their AGW science denial.
Ignorance sustains your AGW denial, soldevvb.
Yes soldevvb, David J. Bellamy is a shiny object for you silly AGW science deniers.
Global cooling in Vegas, latest date for snow setting a record. Hope Gore and Reid was there spending the big bucks they make.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/43087482.html
Of course! It’d be excellent proof that you AGW science deniers are very stupid, self-centered, and do not care about the future.
And when the ice fails to melt – remember 8 years and no warming linktard – I’ll laugh at you just as hard as I do with every one of your posts.
Shouldn’t you be in school? Does your mommy know you ditched?
We should send no more US ships unarmed on the high seas. Knives will not work against Pirates weapons.
The captured pirate will cost us big bucks to save his rights by our friendly lawyers.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/04172009/news/nationalnews/crew_took_mercy_on_fiends_164836.htm
And now, sitting down to rewrite five hundred years of international maritime law we have… “george.”
What could possibly go wrong?
fleettwood,
Thank you for the reminders that you people are dumb.
george, thank you for the link.
“Temperatures will return to the 70s and 80s by the weekend. It could reach 90 degrees by Tuesday, Lindaman said.”
soldevvb,
Thank you for yet again proving that you don’t understand short-term temperature trends.
And thanks to all of you, for proving that my 10:45 am post was accurate.
It is amazing to me, how so many AGW deniers want to be known as good religious folks, but who at the same time show little, if any, desire to be partners in creation, as they are directed to be in Genesis…
Cant figure out how that antithesis works…
Yeah chas,
Almost as funny as you claiming to be a man of the cloth. Yuk yuk yuk.. good one.
Chas,
We don’t simply deny AGW just because.
1. There is not enough evidence to support AGW.
2. The so called “solutions” are based more on political control than actually solving any real problem.
I don’t understand why it is that people like you not only believe AGW, but you are supporting it as if it were the Gospel.
cosmo “you don’t understand” GreatestHits:
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Perhaps donndublin does not understand
Thank you for yet again proving that you don’t understand short-term temperature trends.
And you also do not seem to understand the projections.
You do not seem to understand the climate projections.
soldevvb does not even understand what the 3.2% number means.
Do you not understand the word “vulnerable”,
And also try to post some proof that you, and the other AGW deniers here, understand scientific methodology.
So you still could not find any proof that you, and the other AGW deniers here, understand scientific methodology?
soldevvb is unable to understand the obvious differences between suggesting research, and “wants” to implement.
Poor soldevvb just cannot understand that nature “sinks” the CO2 that it “sources”.
soldevvb has already proven, multiple times, that he is unable to understand climate science.
Thank you soldevvb, for yet again proving that you are unable to understand scientific methodology.
soldevvb is unable to understand credible science, which is based on scientific methodology.
It’s obvious from soldevvb’s post that he does not understand scientific methodology.
If you can’t understand the obvious problems with our big global “experiment”,
And do you really not understand the obvious, donndublin?
You do understand scientific methodology. . . don’t you?
No bigotbawks, you’re “so disrespectful” to climate science, because you do not understand climate science.
Plus you do not seem to understand the possible dire consequences
Is Hank unable to understand the difference between journalism and science?
and does not even understand the meaning of the word “can”.
Thank you soldevvb, for again proving that you do not understand climate science.
soldevvb,
Keep attacking me, if you are not smart enough to understand that does not make the draft credible.
bigotbawks is so stupid, he cannot understand that it’s not about the climate models.
The EPA is spewing out Global warming crap just like a Volcano. It all means more control and taxes by the Greenies. We all will need pooper scoopers to carry around.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/17/epa-takes-step-regulating-pollution-linked-climate-change/
Nathaniel posted April 17, 2009 at 11:36 am
We don’t simply deny AGW just because.
1. There is not enough evidence to support AGW.
2. The so called “solutions” are based more on political control than actually solving any real problem.
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1. Nathaniel believes that falsehoods from Steven Milloy, Dennis Avery, et al = contradictory “evidence”.
2. and 3. Nathaniel does not understand the obvious differences between:
* Climate science, and governmental policies.
* Scientific methodology, and religion.
fleettwood,
Thank you for more reminders that you people are dumb.
george,
Carbon taxes will be enacted soon, and you can’t stop them.
Carbon taxes will be enacted soon,
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It won’t do a damn bit of good to save the environment.
It will just make the poor, poorer.
Taxes, that is..
george posted April 17, 2009 at 11:45 am
The EPA is spewing out Global warming crap just like a Volcano.
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george, you should at least learn the basics of climate science.
Volcanoes emit only about 1% of what humans emit.
So you said the the EPA is “spewing out” a fairly insignificant amount.
Volcanoes emit only about 1% of what humans emit.
1% of 1%? Wow, so what is producing the other 99%
99%. Wow, that is like, almost ALL CO2 contribution. From that evil old Mother Nature.
Maybe we should levy a tax on her.
Watch “Uncounted” on encore if y’all get a chance…
Volcanoes emit only about 1% of what humans emit.
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I’d like to see the lava-emitting human.
Sounds like a circus act.
Cosmos,
“1. Nathaniel believes that falsehoods from Steven Milloy, Dennis Avery, et al = contradictory “evidence”.”
And here you are with your false strawman arguments.
All you can do is lie about those who disagree with you because you are an intellectual coward.
You run away from questions you know show how absurd you are and what you believe in is.
“2. and 3. Nathaniel does not understand the obvious differences between:
* Climate science, and governmental policies.
* Scientific methodology, and religion.”
Again, all you can do is attack people.
You obviously don’t understand that if AGW were such a problem, as you claim it is, that cap and trade is not the solution.
Yet you support such things and the government agencies which push them and support AGW.
Cosmos,
“george, you should at least learn the basics of climate science.
Volcanoes emit only about 1% of what humans emit.
So you said the the EPA is “spewing out” a fairly insignificant amount.”
Really?
Since you seem to know how much is emitted perhaps you can answer this for us:
-How much natural CO2 is released each year?
-How much man made CO2 is released each year?
Yes, volcanoes are insignificant. They only make islands, up heave entire mountain chains, cause oceans to change their chemistry, wipe out entire regions when they erupt, etc. etc.
Other than that, they are insignificant.
Posted April 17, 2009 at 9:37 am | Permalink
‘New study warns damage to forests from climate change could cost the planet its major keeper of greenhouse gases‘
At UN forum on forests, scientists release analysis showing forests at risk of becoming net sources of carbon instead of net sinks
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-04/bc-nrw041409.php
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cosMo believes only what has been blessed by the socialists at the UN a.k.a IPCC a.k.a. CCCP.
Every thing else is “arm-flailing”.
Praise be
Nathan, as a believer, what do you believe your responsibilities are to God, to take care of the Earth… ya know, God’s gift to us??
The virgin prophet “Nathaniel” has been posting all morning, but not to me.
I thought he was going to challenge me last night or this morning.
Nope.
Chas,
I believe in being a good steward of the Earth. However, I also believe the Earth was given to us to use as well. You know, like God said it was.
I simply do not believe that AGW is:
1. A problem.
2. Something man is causing which is a problem.
3. That any of the solutions offered would actually solve the “problem” even if it were true.
MonkeyHawk,
Sorry, I got cuaght up in my response to Agnatha.
A person who has proven their ability to debate and attempts to actually do so.
I’ll get to you when I get to you. I am not going anywhere are you?
Besides, if you are in such a hurry to debate you could start it. There is nothing stopping you from doing that instead of spending all your time pestering me like I am hiding from you.
“…Earth was given to us to use as well.” [Nathan]
But not to abuse… or pollute… or simply ignore…
Are you also opposed to catalytic converters?? Low emissions standards for fossil fuel vehicles?? Or are those things you DO support??
1. Consumption of vegetation by animals & microbes – 220 gt
2, Respiration by vegetation – 220 Gt
3, Ocean releases about 330 Gt
4, Human emissions – 26.4 Gt
796.4 Gt total
Of which Human emissions are about 3 percent of total co2 emissions.
So, c02 from natural sources account for 97 percent of all co2 emissions.
*Gt-gigatonnes = X.0^11 tonnes
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Nathaniel
Posted April 17, 2009 at 12:32 pm | Permalink
Cosmos,
“1. Nathaniel believes that falsehoods from Steven Milloy, Dennis Avery, et al = contradictory “evidence”.”
And here you are with your false strawman arguments.
All you can do is lie about those who disagree with you because you are an intellectual coward.
You run away from questions you know show how absurd you are and what you believe in is.
Again, all you can do is attack people.
You obviously don’t understand that if AGW were such a problem, as you claim it is, that cap and trade is not the solution.
Yet you support such things and the government agencies which push them and support AGW.
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cosMo continues to run away from my questions about CARTOGRAPHIC climate change too. I’ve asked him to present the empirical evidence and all he can say is:
“”Perhaps donndublin does not understand
Thank you for yet again proving that you don’t understand short-term temperature trends.
And you also do not seem to understand the projections.
You do not seem to understand the climate projections.
Do you not understand the word “vulnerable”,
And also try to post some proof that you, and the other AGW deniers here, understand scientific methodology.
So you still could not find any proof that you, and the other AGW deniers
If you can’t understand the obvious problems with our big global “experiment”,
And do you really not understand the obvious, donndublin?
You do understand scientific methodology. . . don’t you? “”
OR…. He will beat a dead horse about posting one minute time stamps which he claims is proof that only alarmists like him through their worship of the IPCC can understand climate science.
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Chas
Posted April 17, 2009 at 11:27 am | Permalink
It is amazing to me, how so many AGW deniers want to be known as good religious folks, but who at the same time show little, if any, desire to be partners in creation, as they are directed to be in Genesis…
Cant figure out how that antithesis works…
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Chas believes that the socialists at the UN are the only way to save the earth. His faith in them seems to be greater than his faith in God.
Chas,
I have answered your questions and you don’t answer mine.
Why is it that you believe in AGW?
How will cap and trade help that problem even if it were true?
Regular,
Exactly! Now, what is the margin of error for those “natural” CO2 emissions?
It is as large as what humans produce!
Nathaniel,
Thank you for proving that my 11:36 am post was accurate.
You do rely on non-scientific sources.
And you are unable to understand the obvious differences that I listed.
Re the amount of human-added CO2, are you really unable to understand the following points?
* The significance of the amount that nature cannot sink.
* The long lifetime of CO2, which allows accumulation over time.
* The decrease in future natural carbon sinks.
* Positive feedbacks, such as GHG’s released from thawing permafrost, etc.
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MSNBC, CNN Use Tea Parties as Platform for Sex Jokes…
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I suppose those who watch Fox only do so because they don’t believe the reporting. Fox has more the the other cable networks combined.
* The long lifetime of CO2, which allows accumulation over time.
Long life time – about 20 years under idea conditions.
Which means as climate changes, co2 levels change dependent on natural climate variation.
“Of which Human emissions are about 3 percent of total co2 emissions.”
Is that from respiration or does it have the burning of fossil fuels added with it?
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Nathaniel
Posted April 17, 2009 at 12:58 pm | Permalink
Regular,
Exactly! Now, what is the margin of error for those “natural” CO2 emissions?
It is as large as what humans produce!
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Yes and no.
Depends on how accurate the C13/C12 Isotopes are measured, which currently isn’t very accurate because of the sheer volume of our atmosphere and it has to be done by computing it.
There is no accurate mechanism to accurately measure volume of greenhouse gases, it’s an educated guess.
One reason is the greenhouse gases are in a constant cycle, not static.
So, are the forest going to explode?
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donndublin
Posted April 17, 2009 at 1:08 pm | Permalink
“Of which Human emissions are about 3 percent of total co2 emissions.”
Is that from respiration or does it have the burning of fossil fuels added with it?
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From all human causes as far as I know.
I think I read somewhere that humans emit about 2.5 tons co2 per year each. Have to re-reference that.
The virgin prophet “Nathaniel” whines –
“I have answered your questions and you don’t answer mine.”
Oh, the irony, boy.
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ANTI
Posted April 17, 2009 at 1:08 pm | Permalink
So, are the forest going to explode?
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No, but they are taking over the frozen tundra in some mountainous regions. :)
Liberal actress and political activist Janeane Garofalo, in all seriousness, said activists who attended tea parties are racists with dysfunctional brains in a recent prime-time television appearance.
“Let’s be very honest about what this is about. This is not about bashing Democrats. It’s not about taxes. They have no idea what the Boston Tea party was about. They don’t know their history at all. It’s about hating a black man in the White House,” she said on MSNBC’s “The Countdown” with Keith Olbermann Thursday evening. “This is racism straight up and is nothing but a bunch of teabagging rednecks. There is no way around that.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/back-story/2009/apr/17/liberal-actress-says-tea-parties-were-racist/
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And if “sex jokes” don’t work, pull the race card.
AN ALLEGED double killer, his accomplice and one of his victims were all carrying firearms at an anti-gun event in London, the Old Bailey heard today.
Shakah Anderson is accused of shooting dead Mohamed Korneh and Selorn Gbesenete, both 21, at the Tudor Rose night club in Southall at Unarmed 2, dedicated to stopping gun crime among young black people, the jury was told.
Regular posted April 17, 2009 at 1:05 pm
* The long lifetime of CO2, which allows accumulation over time.
Long life time – about 20 years under idea conditions.
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Regular can provide credible scientific links showing that the average lifetime of atmospheric CO2 is not roughly a century — just like he provided links re his (false) New Orleans levees claim.
MonkeyHawk,
I see you are still operating under the false assertion that I don’t answer questions.
Instead of simply pointing out the questions you liberals would like for me to answer, I guess it wouldn’t go along with your being able to constantly harp on me for not answering these “questions”
You are more interested in the harping than having any answers.
ELF blew up the New Orleans levees.
Obama is a Muslim.
Cosmos is a ‘little person’.
Germans’ really hate David Hasselhoff, they were just trying to get us to like him.
cosmo is not a scientist.
Actually, Nathan, you didnt answer my questions… Instead, you used your blog-famous end-run, trying to re-direct… You must have worked vry hard copying Sean Hannity’s tactics… But, he’s better at it than you are!!
Dogs can’t look up.
Oh, yea, Nathan… You are making false assumptions again… I have NEVER posted on this Blog, or anywhere else, that I believe in AGW… It’s not a religion, ya know… It’s science… But, nonetheless, I have never posted that I “believe” in AGW….
It’s science.
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Just like magic, eh Chas?
Magic?? Only in YOUR pea-brain!! LOL
Youre worthless, ANTI, the Troll!!
Youre worthless, ANTI, the Troll!!
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Not very Christian of you Chas.
cosmo stays at the Holiday Inn Express.
A lot.
cosmo stays at the Holiday Inn Express.
A lot.
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I think he stays in a double occupancy room with Chas.
“But, nonetheless, I have never posted that I “believe” in AGW….”
So Chas, just what is your stand on AGW?
The virgin prophet “Nathaniel” offers –
“I see you are still operating under the false assertion that I don’t answer questions.
Instead of simply pointing out the questions you liberals would like for me to answer, I guess it wouldn’t go along with your being able to constantly harp on me for not answering these “questions”
You are more interested in the harping than having any answers.”
I have no earthly idea what you are referring to, boy. For a couple of days I’ve challenged you to debate the issue of your choice.
You whine that you’re not going to answer the questions “libs” ask you if you don’t want. And today’s squirm from you was I hadn’t picked a topic.
That was after you squirmed last night you were too busy to get back to me but would present a topic and first affirmative argument last night or this morning.
We were reminded this week and proud to once again appreciate those Navy personnel called “SEALS.”
You seem to be on a mission to reveal the Marine Corps has “worms.”
ANTI posted April 17, 2009 at 1:44 pm
It’s science.
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Just like magic, eh Chas?
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Science is like magic for people like ANTI, who cannot understand science.
Science is like magic for people like ANTI, who cannot understand science.
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NOTE:
Fleettwood, add that one to your list.
Fleettwood, add that one to your list.
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DONE!
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ANTI
Posted April 17, 2009 at 2:04 pm | Permalink
Science is like magic for people like ANTI, who cannot understand science.
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NOTE:
Fleettwood, add that one to your list.
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Note that ANTI does not claim that I’m wrong.
‘Human CO2 is a tiny % of CO2 emissions‘
http://www.skepticalscience.com/human-co2-smaller-than-natural-emissions.htm
Note that ANTI does not claim that I’m wrong.
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My chicken bones are still rolling, when they stop I’ll get back with you.
They stopped.
All signs point to Cosmos being wrong.
Obama supporters;
When Obama says something how do you know what parts of it to believe and which parts not to believe?
Seriously.
Note that ANTI does not claim that I’m wrong.
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I will input data into my Nintendo look-into-the-future computer model.
I’ll let you know in a minute.
“Heckler” asks –
“Obama supporters;
When Obama says something how do you know what parts of it to believe and which parts not to believe?
Seriously.”
Good question.
Seriously.
Here’s my take:
President Barack Obama isn’t nearly as liberal as I wish he’d be.
As horrible as the thought may sound to you right-wingnuts, President Obama is a moderate.
The “Marxist-Socialist-Commie-Dictator fiend you CONs try to portray him as simply does not exist.
He’s not confiscated your guns. He’s not made you stand in line behind a homeless cat-lady to get a shot of penicillin. You can still drive your Camro amd there will still be a “SOCIALIST!!!!” EMT crew respond when you wrap it around a telephone pole.
So far, the biggest criticism of President Obama’s less-than-100-days administration has been “He’s too much like Bush!.”
So what’s your gripe?
Obama is a “moderate”.
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* full funding for birth control, including abortion
* federal funding for stem cell research
* thousands of pages of Reagan-era documents, some on Iran-Contra
* a date certain for the withdrawl of all but a few security troops in Iraq
* the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act that allows a reasonable amount of time for discovery of pay inequality
* the closure of the Gitmo Torture Prison, a ban on all forms of torture, “war on terror” rhetoric discontinued, and “black sites” (torture centers) closed
* lower federal income taxes on the Middle Class
* better foreign relations with Canada and Europe, allies we need in Afghanistan to finish the job Bush cut and ran from
* the nomination of Republicon Judd Gregg as Commerce Sec’ry, proving that Obama really is reaching across the aisle. Unfortunately, Gregg’s Republicon masters wouldn’t allow him to accept.
* a “Middle-Class Task Force” headed by Joe Biden to raise living standards for the lagging American middle-class
* Bush-era torture memos
* legal travel to Cuba for Americans with family there
* dialogue with Iran about nuclear weapons
* cuts of big budget items, the F22 and missile defense, out of the military expenses
* media coverage of the caskets of killed American soldiers
* a 90 percent tax rate on bonuses of top executives of corporations that receive bail-out money (pending Senate approval) and a green light to Geithner to stop bonuses altogether
* support for the important Employee Free Choice Act, which would strengthen unions (the bill has been introduced in the House and Senate on Mar 10)
* a pledge to get a healthcare reform bill passed by the end of the year
* a pledge to cut out-sourcing the war effort
* a beginning to the end of Bush’s policy of allowing health care workers to deny patients birth control
* a raise on taxes for the rich back to pre-Bush levels
* allowed home-owners to refinance loans from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
* America Recovery and Reinvestment Plan to help pull us out of recession–a key provision is investment in renewable energy
Chas
Posted April 17, 2009 at 12:49 pm | Permalink
“…Earth was given to us to use as well.” [Nathan]
But not to abuse… or pollute… or simply ignore…
And what do you do with the precious gift He gave us, water, chas. Surely you wouldn’t urinate or defecate in the glorious gift of life giving water… being a man of the cloth and all.
cosmos_originally
Posted April 17, 2009 at 2:10 pm | Permalink
‘Human CO2 is a tiny % of CO2 emissions‘
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The IPCC has made no less than three different appraisals on how long co2 lasts in the atmosphere. They go from five to 1000 years to thousands of years.
Evidently, according to IPCC, co2 in the atmosphere is more durable than the stone construction of the pyramids and will last even longer.
If the IPCC doesn’t like the science they make up, they just change it to fit their agenda.
SOL is a pervert… or thinks he is a pervert… SOL doesnt understand that ALL humans have needs of bodily function… Being “of the cloth” or not, has no bearing on bodily functions…. Geez, how stupid!!!
Chas,
Would you invent a new nic and post under it?
You know, for old time sake..
I’ve only got one, ANTI… Talk to some of YOUR buddies about that issue…
Being “of the cloth” or not, has no bearing on bodily functions
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The Queen does not poop.
Talk to some of YOUR buddies about that issue…
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But I want to talk to you about it, Chas.
LOL!
Regular wildly flails his arms some more.
Stay classy, King family!!
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WASHINGTON – The family of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. has charged the foundation building a monument to the civil rights leader on the National Mall about $800,000 for the use of his words and image — an arrangement one leading scholar says King would have found offensive.
But, ANTI, I dont have discussions with Trolls, such as yourself… And I only have one “nic”
your racism is showing again, Fleettwood!! Thought maybe you might want to cover it up before it gets loose….
an arrangement one leading scholar says King would have found offensive.
But, ANTI, I dont have discussions with Trolls,
-Chas
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Bigot.
Trolls arent HUMAN… They are lower than human… Trolls are a disgrace… even to themselves… Go away Troll ANTI…
Chas
Posted April 17, 2009 at 3:56 pm | Permalink
Trolls arent HUMAN… They are lower than human… Trolls are a disgrace…
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WOW, your hatred has no bounds!
Bigot.
cosmos’s unscientific responses
LOL!
Flail your arms wildly some more, multi-nic’d Regular!
Those are the forests that in the future could act like your favourite bottle of (warm) carbonated beverage.
Ask your arm-flailing friend and carbonated beverage expert, multi-nic’d Regular.
Of course! It’d be excellent proof that you AGW science deniers are very stupid, self-centered, and do not care about the future.
Thank you for yet again proving that you don’t understand short-term temperature trends.
Nathaniel believes that falsehoods from Steven Milloy, Dennis Avery, et al = contradictory “evidence”.
fleettwood,
Thank you for more reminders that you people are dumb.
Of course! It’d be excellent proof that you AGW science deniers are very stupid, self-centered, and do not care about the future.
Science is like magic for people like ANTI, who cannot understand science.
Regular wildly flails his arms some more.
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All this from a partial day of posting by cosmos.
AND AGNATHA DOES NOT CALL COSMOS A TROLL?
WTF?
“I don’t think the Jefferson family, the Lincoln family … I don’t think any other group of family ancestors has been paid a licensing fee for a memorial in Washington,” said Cambridge University historian David Garrow, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his biography of King.
Chas
Posted April 17, 2009 at 3:56 pm | Permalink
Trolls arent HUMAN… They are lower than human… Trolls are a disgrace… even to themselves… Go away Troll ANTI…
And chas, the man of the cloth denigrates one of God’s creations. As God created all mankind in His image, chas, man of the cloth, have you just blasphemed and called Anti, a child of Christ, and by proxy made in God’s image, a troll and not human?
Are you sure you are ordained?
I see the caps are back chas. Stroke flash backs?
chas:
Your racism is showing.
I see the caps are back chas. Stroke flash backs?
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Que Billy Squire
All this from a partial day of posting by cosmos.
AND AGNATHA DOES NOT CALL COSMOS A TROLL?
WTF? [Regular]
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Ummmm because Trolls only LIE… Cosmos speaks only truth… :-)
chas:
Why do you think Black people aren’t human?
Regular,
Do you have a credible scientific link(s) to support your claim?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/04/open-thread-417-2/comment-page-3/#comment-556873
Oh yea, SOL… And being ordained, we are taught very well how to recognize demonic forces at work…. That would be a Troll…
And I really dont give a freakin damn if you like CAPS or not… Since you wouldnt know “editorial” license if it bit you… I will ignore your Trollish remarks about Caps…
As for your constant ranting about another human being’s residual damage from a stroke… That would nearly put YOU into the category of demonic forces as well…
Except that you actually have some positive things to offer…. when you actually put your mind to it… LOL
Regular,
Maybe you’d like to again defend the non-scientific nonsense from E.G. Beck?
Regular can really flail his arms wildly re Beck’s CO2 claims.
Cosmos is not Chinese and does not own a dry-cleaning business.
ANTI
Posted April 17, 2009 at 3:57 pm | Permalink
Chas
Posted April 17, 2009 at 3:56 pm | Permalink
Trolls arent HUMAN… They are lower than human… Trolls are a disgrace…
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WOW, your hatred has no bounds!
Bigot.
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No hatred ANTI… Just facts!!
E. G. Beck’s CO2 graph.
‘More Nonsense about CO2‘
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006/10/more_nonsense_about_co2.php
More Nonsense about CO2
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Tell me about it!
I’ve thought it was a fraud all along.
ANTI
Posted April 17, 2009 at 4:24 pm | Permalink
chas:
Why do you think Black people are a disgrace?
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I would like to know that as well, Chas.
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Why dont you ask fleettwood… he is the LIAR that made up the stolen post… Why dont you READ my post at 3:56… I said NOTHING of the sort….
Demonic forces. Oh my. Call an old priest, a young priest and boil some holy water.
SOL — I said not one word about possession.. and they dont boil holy water… And I’m not Catholic… So, Pi$$ on it SOL!!!
Chas
Posted April 17, 2009 at 4:39 pm | Permalink
SOL — I said not one word about possession.. and they dont boil holy water… And I’m not Catholic… So, Pi$$ on it SOL!!!
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That’s right Chas, Methodist boil eggs.
Do they boil pi$$?
A blast from the past — Regular (aka Republican, aka Republikhan) praising E. G Beck’s non-scientific CO2 nonsense.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/is_there_a_carb/#comment-253676
Great arm flailing there, Regular!
fleettwood
Posted April 17, 2009 at 4:39 pm | Permalink
Chas
Posted April 17, 2009 at 3:56 pm | Permalink
Blacks arent HUMAN… They are lower than human… Blacks are a disgrace… even to themselves… Go away Black ANTI…
Sad
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Yea, fleettwood…. YOU are one sad PERVERT!! Lying piece of GOP ooze… and nothing but a lousy god forsaken RACIST PIG!!! After your stupid tea party, I doubt the Editors will put up with your lousy, lying BS much longer!!
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Chas
Posted April 17, 2009 at 4:11 pm | Permalink
All this from a partial day of posting by cosmos.
AND AGNATHA DOES NOT CALL COSMOS A TROLL?
WTF? [Regular]
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Ummmm because Trolls only LIE… Cosmos speaks only truth… :-)
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Surprised you admitted you are a Troll Chas.
Chas,
Please go back to using triples instead of doubles, it adds more emphasis.
The double: !!
The Triple: !!!
You see what I mean?
and nothing but a lousy god forsaken RACIST PIG!!!
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I just happened to point out the King family is charging a lot of money to the folks who are building him a monument for the use of MLK’s words and image. As a right thinking capitalist, I’m all for it. Not too classy, though.
Please go back to using triples instead of doubles, it adds more emphasis.
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Dare we tell him of the QuadraSlam????
Fang Chi Xue, 38, of Massachusetts, was treated for self-inflicted stab wounds to the arms and abdomen at Boston Medical Center and is expected to be arraigned on two counts of murder. She was 7 1/2 months pregnant and killed her 9-year-old daughter in addition to her baby.
parkay
Posted April 17, 2009 at 4:56 pm | Permalink
You are early!!!!
Regular
Posted April 17, 2009 at 4:44 pm | Permalink
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Chas
Posted April 17, 2009 at 4:11 pm | Permalink
All this from a partial day of posting by cosmos.
AND AGNATHA DOES NOT CALL COSMOS A TROLL?
WTF? [Regular]
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Ummmm because Trolls only LIE… Cosmos speaks only truth… :-)
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Surprised you admitted you are a Troll Chas.
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And Regular LIES yet again…. It just wouldnt be a day on the Blog, without Regular’s blatant LIES!!
That just makes Regular one of the longest lasting LYING TROLLS on this Blog!! LOL
Hey, Reg., your sister is calling you for dinner!!
Chas
Posted April 17, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Hey, Reg., your sister is calling you for dinner!!
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That would be a first, since I do all the cooking.
Source: Independent UK
Iraq air raids hit mostly women and children
Report urges review of military strategy when targeting urban areas
By Kim Sengupta, Defence correspondent
Thursday, 16 April 2009
Air strikes and artillery barrages have taken a heavy toll among the most vulnerable of the Iraqi people, with children and women forming a disproportionate number of the dead. Analysis carried out for the research group Iraq Body Count (IBC) found that 39 per cent of those killed in air raids by the US-led coalition were children and 46 per cent were women. Fatalities caused by mortars, used by American and Iraqi government forces as well as insurgents, were 42 per cent children and 44 per cent women.
Twelve per cent of those killed by suicide bombings, mainly the tool of militant Sunni groups, were children and 16 per cent were females. One in five (21 per cent) of those killed by car bombs, used by both Shia and Sunni fighters, was a child; one in four (28 per cent) was a woman. The figures, compiled by academics at King’s College and Royal Holloway, University of London, show that hi-tech weaponry has caused lethal damage to those in the population who would be furthest away from the conflict.
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Wow. You gung-ho CONs who are all for the Iraq War as long as you don’t have to fight in it or pay for it must be so proud . . .
John Sloboda (b. June 13th, 1950) is the Executive Director of the Oxford Research Group, an NGO that seeks to develop non-violent approaches to national and international security issues. He is also one of the founders of the Iraq Body Count Project.
“parkay
Posted April 17, 2009 at 4:56 pm | Permalink
Fang Chi Xue, 38, of Massachusetts, was treated for self-inflicted stab wounds to the arms and abdomen at Boston Medical Center and is expected to be arraigned on two counts of murder. She was 7 1/2 months pregnant and killed her 9-year-old daughter in addition to her baby.”
Maybe that wouldn’t have happened if she had safe legal access to terminate her preganancy…
The level of intellectual commentary by CONs today –
“fleettwood”
Posted April 17, 2009 at 4:42 pm | Permalink
“Do they boil pi$$?”
And you CONs wonder why you’re considered a joke.
A bad joke.
Badly told.
Maybe that wouldn’t have happened if she had safe legal access to terminate her preganancy…
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Tell that to her 9 year old. Oh, wait. Too late.
Math Error by the IPCC
The long-term climate forecasts that they examined were based only on the opinions of the scientists. The opinions were expressed in complex mathematical terms. There was no validation of the methodologies.
1. Based on opinion
2. No peer review
3. No validation of the methodologies used.
Laundering the pseudo science of Climate Change – it’s what the IPCC does.
Laundering the pseudo science of Climate Change – it’s what the IPCC does.
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Regular, you are such a buffon.
Polar Bear Warnings: IPCC ignored Eighty four percent of Polar Bear Studies to draw a conclusion
They concluded that the government forecasts were based on false assumptions and their polar bear population forecasts contravened many principles for scientific forecasting. Indeed, the reports followed fewer than one-sixth of the relevant principles. Given the importance of the forecasts, all principles should be properly applied. In short, the government reports do not provide relevant information for this decision.
Ynscientific forecasting procedures by the IPCC have led nations such as the U.S. to make misinformed choices on Polar Bears. Majority of Polar Bear studies show that the polar bear population is currently thriving.
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fleettwood
Posted April 17, 2009 at 5:30 pm | Permalink
Laundering the pseudo science of Climate Change – it’s what the IPCC does.
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Regular, you are such a buffon.
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I use brass polish to keep my buffon shiny.
cosMo continues to run away from my questions about CARTOGRAPHIC climate change. I’ve asked him to present the empirical evidence and all he can say is:
“”Perhaps donndublin does not understand
Thank you for yet again proving that you don’t understand short-term temperature trends.
And you also do not seem to understand the projections.
You do not seem to understand the climate projections.
Do you not understand the word “vulnerable”,
And also try to post some proof that you, and the other AGW deniers here, understand scientific methodology.
So you still could not find any proof that you, and the other AGW deniers
If you can’t understand the obvious problems with our big global “experiment”,
And do you really not understand the obvious, donndublin?
You do understand scientific methodology. . . don’t you? “”
OR…. He will beat a dead horse about posting one minute time stamps which he claims is proof that only alarmists like him through their worship of the IPCC can understand climate science.
Maybe cosMo has to go find some aborted babies to sacrifice to the AGW computer model gods before he can get his “projections”.
Sea level rising studies are suspect
To date, there are no IPCC forecasts of sea levels that adhere to proper (scientific) forecasting methodology. As shown in Green and Armstrong (2007) experts’ forecasts have no validity in situations characterized by high complexity, high uncertainty, and poor feedback.
Dr. Richard S. Courtney, a climate and atmospheric science consultant and a UN IPCC expert reviewer ridiculed Sea Level rise scare tactics published by the AP.
“Rarely have I read such a collection of unsubstantiated and scare-mongering twaddle. Not only do real studies show no increase to rate of sea level change, the reasons given for concern of catastrophic sea level rises are nonsense,”
More on Scare tactics of Sea Level Rise by IPCC
State of Florida Climatologist Dr. Jim O’Brien of Florida State University countered the AP article.
“The best measurements of sea level rise are from satellite instrument called altimeters. Currently they measure 14 inches in 100 years. Everyone agrees that there is no acceleration. Even the UN IPCC quotes this,” O’Brien wrote to EPW on September 23. O’Brien is also the director of the Center for Ocean-Atmospheric Prediction Studies.
“If you increase the rate of rise by four times, it will take 146 years to rise to five feet. Sea level rise is the ‘scare tactic’ for these guys,” O’Brien added.
CapnAmerica
Posted April 17, 2009 at 5:06 pm | Permalink
Source: Independent UK
Iraq air raids hit mostly women and children
Report urges review of military strategy when targeting urban areas
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Crapon, Did the IPCC peer review (cook) those numbers too? If not cosMo is going to call to say,
And you also do not seem to understand the projections.
You do not seem to understand the dead projections.
Do you not understand the word “vulnerable”,
And also try to post some proof that you, and the other American deniers here, understand scientific methodology.
So you still could not find any proof that you, and the other American deniers
If you can’t understand the obvious problems with our big global “experiment”,
And do you really not understand the obvious?
You do understand scientific methodology. . . don’t you? “”
Yet another Expert thrashes the scare tactics of IPCC on Sea level rises
Prominent scientist Professor Nils-Axel Morner, declared “the rapid rise in sea levels predicted by computer models simply cannot happen.” Morner, a leading world authority on sea levels and coastal erosion who headed the Department of Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics at Stockholm University, called the “Sea level Rise” story “propaganda.”
Morner previously noted on August 6, 2007: “When we were coming out of the last ice age, huge ice sheets were melting rapidly and the sea level rose at an average of one meter per century. If the Greenland ice sheet stated to melt at the same rate – which is unlikely – sea level would rise by less than 100 mm – 4 inches per century.”
Morner, who was president of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution from 1999 to 2003, has published a new booklet entitled “The Greatest Lie Ever Told,” to refute claims of catastrophic sea level rise.
In most places, pregancy termination is considered a medical procedure not a moral or legal issue. One of those places to-day stated that their airlines may not charge more for obese flyers stating that it is a health problem and not open to avaricial surcharges ….but then they think additiction to a substances is a health problem, not a criminal statistic and that juvenile crime is an prime indicator of a sick society. Darn socialists…..
“Regular” brags –
“…I use brass polish to keep my buffon shiny.”
Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
Reg, Isn’t sea level rise one of the CATASTROPHIC climate change predictions that the AGW alarmists “projected”?
The Canadian Wildlife folks do not think polar bears are at risk. With the majority of the total population within their borders 19 of the subspecies or tribes 16 are flourishing and the balance stable.
IPCC Computer Climate Models (CCM) or Con Game?
There are 19 forecasting principles that provide guidance on identifying, collecting, and preparing data to be used for forecasting. These principles include:
3.3 Avoid biased data sources,
3.4 Use diverse sources of data,
4.1 Use unbiased and systematic procedures to collect data,
4.2 Ensure that information is reliable and that measurement error is low,
4.3 Ensure that the information is valid,
4.4 Obtain all of the important data,
4.6 Obtain the most recent data,
5.1 Clean the data, and
5.4 Adjust for unsystematic past events.
The principles are often violated in practice with the consequence that CCM forecasts are poorly implemented or even totally invalid.
I can hear cosMo now:
“Nils-Axel Morner you also do not seem to understand the projections.
Nils-Axel Morner you do not seem to understand the AGW projections.
Nils-Axel Morner, Do you not understand the word “vulnerable”,
Nils-Axel Morner, And also try to post some proof that you, and the other AGW deniers here, understand scientific methodology.
Nils-Axel Morner, So you still could not find any proof that you, and the other AGW deniers
If you can’t understand the obvious problems with our big global “experiment”,
And do you really not understand the obvious?
You do understand scientific methodology. . . don’t you? “”
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donndublin
Posted April 17, 2009 at 5:55 pm | Permalink
Reg, Isn’t sea level rise one of the CATASTROPHIC climate change predictions that the AGW alarmists “projected”?
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Yes, IPCC and cosmos use ‘chicken little’ forecasts almost daily on it.
Reg is sounds like the computer models don’t understand “scientific methodology”. But that’s OK, how else will Algore make billions in carbon trading or the UM taxing everything that breaths or farts.
OPPs
It sounds
that’s UN on UM damn fingers.
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Regular
Posted April 17, 2009 at 5:35 pm | Permalink
Polar Bear Warnings: IPCC ignored Eighty four percent of Polar Bear Studies to draw a conclusion
They concluded that the government forecasts were based on false assumptions and their polar bear population forecasts contravened many principles for scientific forecasting. Indeed, the reports followed fewer than one-sixth of the relevant principles. Given the importance of the forecasts, all principles should be properly applied. In short, the government reports do not provide relevant information for this decision.
Ynscientific forecasting procedures by the IPCC have led nations such as the U.S. to make misinformed choices on Polar Bears. Majority of Polar Bear studies show that the polar bear population is currently thriving.
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Did you see where a woman in Germany jumped into the polar bear exhibit and was attacked? That must have been cosMo trying to give the big fellas and hug.
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donndublin
Posted April 17, 2009 at 6:04 pm | Permalink
Reg is sounds like the computer models don’t understand “scientific methodology”. But that’s OK, how else will Algore make billions in carbon trading or the UM taxing everything that breaths or farts.
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Well, IPCC has single handedly politicize climate science and made it highly suspect.
It’s their own doing.
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If you need something more quickly, please let us know and we can arrange to have the process expedited for a small fee to cover research costs.
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Here’s what the AGW gestapo does to any one who disagrees with their religion. The DeSmerBlog. Look at the logo and see how the dark fellow is saluting Nazi style while the others stand at attention.
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donndublin
Posted April 17, 2009 at 6:39 pm | Permalink
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Monday, 05 May 2008
DeSmogBlog, a Web site created to attack conservative and free-market nonprofit organizations, targeted The Heartland Institute in late April 2008, and in particular two lists posted on Heartland’s Web site of scientists whose published work contradicts some of the main tenets of global warming alarmism. The blog persuaded some of the scientists appearing in the lists to ask that their names be removed from the lists.
In response to the complaints, The Heartland Institute has changed the headlines that its PR department had chosen for some of the documents related to the lists, from “500 Scientists with Documented Doubts of Man-Made Global Warming Scares” to “500 Scientists Whose Research Contradicts Man-Made Global Warming Scares.”
http://www.climatechangefraud.com/content/view/1106/233/
donndublin,
Your opinions are your responsibility.
If you carefully researched Nils-Axel Morner and Richard S. Courtney, and concluded that they are credible climate scientists, why should I object?
And if you want to believe multi-nic’d Regular’s wild arm flailing about climate science, that’s okay with me.
sursum,
IIRC, the warming in the Arctic may cause a short-term population increase in some polar bear groups — because the thinner sea ice has more leads, so bears have easier access to food.
But eventually the loss of ice sharply cuts off the food supply for the bears.
donndublin posted April 17, 2009 at 6:40 pm
In response to the complaints, The Heartland Institute has changed the headlines that its PR department had chosen for some of the documents related to the lists, . . .
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LOL! That’s a funny one.
Heartland cites the scientist’s research, but Heartland insists that the scientists are wrong about what their own research signifies.
“* federal funding for stem cell research “
Yep, everyone loves the new rules.
“The draft guidelines released Friday by the National Institutes of Health — requiring federally funded scientists to use only stem cells culled from fertility clinic embryos that otherwise would be thrown away — is an unpopular move on both sides of the issue.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/17/stem-cell-guidelines-limit-research-fertility-clinic-embryos/
““* the closure of the Gitmo Torture Prison,”
Yes, but no date has been set. The date of closure is dependent upon the completion of the facilities at Bagram Air Base. Another “Torture Prison” authorized by bHo???
US STOCKS-Market jumps for 6th week on economic hopes, GE
NEW YORK, April 17 (Reuters) – U.S. stocks rose on Friday, capping the S&P 500’s longest weekly winning streak since 2007, helped by a reassuring report on the mood of consumers and stabilization in General Electric (GE.N) and Citigroup’s (C.N) quarterly results.
http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN1735464120090417
Hi teabaggers!
All you folks who had your little teabag party the other day?
Michael Steele is on Hannity. YOU know? Michael Steele? The Republican National committee chair? Yeah him.
He was just saying he was impressed with the 300,000 people who came out for the teabagging.
Not a million. Not a half a million.
300,000.
That is one tenth of one percent of the national population.
It appears that Junior has hatred for Gay people as he abuses the term ‘teabagging.’ Evidently, Junior thinks its fun to mock gay men and their practices by utilizing the term on his political foes.
Why is BlueJay such a bigot?
“It appears that Junior has hatred for Gay people as he abuses the term ‘teabagging.’ Evidently, Junior thinks its fun to mock gay men and their practices by utilizing the term on his political foes.
Why is BlueJay such a bigot?”
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What makes you think that ‘teabagging’ is specific to homosexual sex acts?
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Daniel
Posted April 17, 2009 at 8:34 pm | Permalink
“It appears that Junior has hatred for Gay people as he abuses the term ‘teabagging.’ Evidently, Junior thinks its fun to mock gay men and their practices by utilizing the term on his political foes.
Why is BlueJay such a bigot?”
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What makes you think that ‘teabagging’ is specific to homosexual sex acts?
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What makes you think it is not?
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Regular
Posted April 17, 2009 at 8:39 pm | Permalink
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Daniel
Posted April 17, 2009 at 8:34 pm | Permalink
“It appears that Junior has hatred for Gay people as he abuses the term ‘teabagging.’ Evidently, Junior thinks its fun to mock gay men and their practices by utilizing the term on his political foes.
Why is BlueJay such a bigot?”
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What makes you think that ‘teabagging’ is specific to homosexual sex acts?
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What makes you think it is not?
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I asked you first.
You do realize that there are experiences which exist outside your personal catalog of experiences, don’t you?
Teabagging
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This goes out from me to the lovable BlueJay:
Enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcNWQ_VWMDk&feature=related
Regular,
It’s great that you falsely blame the IPCC for the AGW science consensus.
Regular seems to believe that he is 100% pwned by the UN, when actually he’s pwned by the climate scientists worldwide.
Daniel
Posted April 17, 2009 at 8:34 pm | Permalink
“It appears that Junior has hatred for Gay people as he abuses the term ‘teabagging.’ Evidently, Junior thinks its fun to mock gay men and their practices by utilizing the term on his political foes.
Why is BlueJay such a bigot?”
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What makes you think that ‘teabagging’ is specific to homosexual sex acts?
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What makes you think it is not?
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I asked you first.
You do realize that there are experiences which exist outside your personal catalog of experiences, don’t you?
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Experiences yes, common sense no.
One would have to be a rube or non-realist to infer that ‘teabagging’ isn’t a homosexual act. It’s certainly not a heterosexual act, now is it.
So my statement stands.
Why is BlueJay such a bigot?
Why is BlueJay such a bigot?
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He’s a Lib.
It’s kinda what they do.
So the Koch’s ARE funding that silly outfit… 4 1/2 million bucks, too Thanks for the link…
http://www.desmogblog.com/research-sponsors-behind-heartlands-new-york-climate-change-conference
Bigot?
Against Republicans you mean? Since when is that news?
My post was about Republicans. I didn’t even MENTION homosexuals.
DavidB,
I think Heartland (or some group connected to them) was giving a discount to people attending the conference, if they signed the OISM petition.
“I didn’t even MENTION homosexuals.”
He did not “MENTION” Republicans either.
I think he was talking about himself.
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Regular
Posted April 17, 2009 at 8:53 pm | Permalink
“It appears that Junior has hatred for Gay people as he abuses the term ‘teabagging.’ Evidently, Junior thinks its fun to mock gay men and their practices by utilizing the term on his political foes.
Why is BlueJay such a bigot?”
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What makes you think that ‘teabagging’ is specific to homosexual sex acts?
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What makes you think it is not?
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I asked you first.
You do realize that there are experiences which exist outside your personal catalog of experiences, don’t you?
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Experiences yes, common sense no.
One would have to be a rube or non-realist to infer that ‘teabagging’ isn’t a homosexual act. It’s certainly not a heterosexual act, now is it.
So my statement stands.
Why is BlueJay such a bigot?
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Apparently, you only have personal experience or understanding of ‘teabagging’ in a homosexual context and I’m certainly not judging you for that. Whatever floats your boat, man. Live and let live is my philosophy.
However, your personal experience or understanding of ‘teabagging’ as specifically a homosexual act does not preclude the possibility that ‘teabagging’ does occur in a heterosexual context.
Run a GIS in ‘SafeSearch is off’ mode and you’ll find depictions of ‘teabagging’ involving both genders.
I think BlueJay wants to suck on my salty chocolate balls, and frankly that makes me feel uncomfortable.
Please stop the harassment, BlueJay!
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Daniel
Posted April 17, 2009 at 9:13 pm | Permalink
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Regular
Posted April 17, 2009 at 8:53 pm | Permalink
“It appears that Junior has hatred for Gay people as he abuses the term ‘teabagging.’ Evidently, Junior thinks its fun to mock gay men and their practices by utilizing the term on his political foes.
Why is BlueJay such a bigot?”
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What makes you think that ‘teabagging’ is specific to homosexual sex acts?
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What makes you think it is not?
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I asked you first.
You do realize that there are experiences which exist outside your personal catalog of experiences, don’t you?
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Experiences yes, common sense no.
One would have to be a rube or non-realist to infer that ‘teabagging’ isn’t a homosexual act. It’s certainly not a heterosexual act, now is it.
So my statement stands.
Why is BlueJay such a bigot?
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Apparently, you only have personal experience or understanding of ‘teabagging’ in a homosexual context and I’m certainly not judging you for that. Whatever floats your boat, man. Live and let live is my philosophy.
However, your personal experience or understanding of ‘teabagging’ as specifically a homosexual act does not preclude the possibility that ‘teabagging’ does occur in a heterosexual context.
Run a GIS in ‘SafeSearch is off’ mode and you’ll find depictions of ‘teabagging’ involving both genders.
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Both genders? I don’t think so.
I’m not taking off safe mode, too many virus and script kiddie crap out there.
First time I heard of it, was when some high school bullies did it to a male (kid). It traumitized him so much, he became a drop out and a drug abuser. Was several years ago in the news.
Regardless, there were children at the Tea Parties as well.
Is BlueJay suggesting that this perverted act was perpetrated on children as well?
BlueJay knows what it means, and he intended it to be a male oriented attack, therefore homosexual in nature.
How about stop defending the indefensible?
Hey, I didn’t tell the Republican party to make its new symbol the teabag. And I was completely unaware of any other meaning for that collection of letters UNTIL they did.
The things we DO learn from Republicans. Like when Idaho Republican Senator Larry Craig taught us about anonymous airport bathroom sex and Republican Congressman Mark Foley taught us about pedophilia.
I wonder what “Regular” could share with us about a grown man living with his sister?
BlueJay knows what it means, and he intended it to be a male oriented attack, therefore homosexual in nature.
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As well as most of the Lib posters, who by the way demand Gay Marriage be incorporated into society…which is odd, given their negative humor about the Tea Parties.
Perhaps we should call them ‘Dark Day Parties’ and see how many Black jokes the Libs can make in public and on CNN and get away with it.
“Is BlueJay suggesting that this perverted act was perpetrated on children as well?”
Hey, what you cons do in private or in large crowds with your kids is none of my business.
So it appears that BlueJay is a bigot against homosexuals by his answers.
Posted April 17, 2009 at 9:22 pm | Permalink
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“It appears that Junior has hatred for Gay people as he abuses the term ‘teabagging.’ Evidently, Junior thinks its fun to mock gay men and their practices by utilizing the term on his political foes.
Why is BlueJay such a bigot?”
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What makes you think that ‘teabagging’ is specific to homosexual sex acts?
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What makes you think it is not?
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I asked you first.
You do realize that there are experiences which exist outside your personal catalog of experiences, don’t you?
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Experiences yes, common sense no.
One would have to be a rube or non-realist to infer that ‘teabagging’ isn’t a homosexual act. It’s certainly not a heterosexual act, now is it.
So my statement stands.
Why is BlueJay such a bigot?
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Apparently, you only have personal experience or understanding of ‘teabagging’ in a homosexual context and I’m certainly not judging you for that. Whatever floats your boat, man. Live and let live is my philosophy.
However, your personal experience or understanding of ‘teabagging’ as specifically a homosexual act does not preclude the possibility that ‘teabagging’ does occur in a heterosexual context.
Run a GIS in ‘SafeSearch is off’ mode and you’ll find depictions of ‘teabagging’ involving both genders.
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Both genders? I don’t think so.
I’m not taking off safe mode, too many virus and script kiddie crap out there.
First time I heard of it, was when some high school bullies did it to a male (kid). It traumitized him so much, he became a drop out and a drug abuser. Was several years ago in the news.
Regardless, there were children at the Tea Parties as well.
Is BlueJay suggesting that this perverted act was perpetrated on children as well?
BlueJay knows what it means, and he intended it to be a male oriented attack, therefore homosexual in nature.
How about stop defending the indefensible?
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-Sorry, but ‘teabagging’ does occur in a heterosexual context. Don’t ask me how I know this, just take my word for it.
-‘SafeSearch is off’ mode has nothing to do with viruses or scripts and refers to the type of images that the search engine will retrieve. With safe search ‘on’ the search engine won’t retrieve images of a sexual nature. In ‘SafeSearch is off’ mode the search engine will retrieve images of a sexual nature. Take a look for yourself or continue on in your state of self-imposed ignorance, at this point I really don’t care.
Your argument is analogous to this argument:
During my lifetime I have been involved in two auto accidents. Both accidents occurred on a Tuesday. Therefore, auto accidents do not occur on Mondays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays, or Sundays.
I don’t know why anyone responds to BlowJ. He hates anyone that has shown any success in finances or life in general for that matter.
Why?
Because it highlights the fact that he is such a utter failure in anything and everything he does.
His only solution to everything is to steal from those that have worked for what they have.
Disgusting.
BlueJay, why do you think Gays putting each others ball sack in their mouths is wrong…is it because of the ‘ick factor’ or is it because you are an intolerant hypocrite?
I may be intolerant, but I am not a hypocrite.
The left has proven to be both.
I don’t know why anyone responds to BlowJ.
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I find it interesting and humorous.
“BlueJay, why do you think Gays putting each others ball sack in their mouths is wrong”
In almost 4 years of posting here, I have never posted anything that could even remotely be twisted into that.
I also am not responsible for the cons covering themselves in teabags for their little ….party?
You all know about Twitter – the micro networking sensation where you can tell people what you’re doing in 140 characters or less. Twitter is so 2008.
Now there is Litter – where you can Trash-talk in four characters or less. Some recent examples of Leets left on the WE Blog:
STFU
WTF
ESAD
FU
NoFU
And the list goes on…
Daniel
Posted April 17, 2009 at 9:44 pm
-Sorry, but ‘teabagging’ does occur in a heterosexual context. Don’t ask me how I know this, just take my word for it.
-‘SafeSearch is off’ mode has nothing to do with viruses or scripts and refers to the type of images that the search engine will retrieve. With safe search ‘on’ the search engine won’t retrieve images of a sexual nature. In ‘SafeSearch is off’ mode the search engine will retrieve images of a sexual nature. Take a look for yourself or continue on in your state of self-imposed ignorance, at this point I really don’t care.
Your argument is analogous to this argument:
During my lifetime I have been involved in two auto accidents. Both accidents occurred on a Tuesday. Therefore, auto accidents do not occur on Mondays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays, or Sundays.
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I know what safe mode in browser is, I don’t need an explanation.
Your analogy skills suck.
You go from personal events to an inclusion that it happens to every one because of your two accident events.
I’m a trained Safety Engineer with a lot of Risk Assessment training and don’t need explanations in car accident analogies.
In almost 4 years of posting here, I have never posted anything that could even remotely be twisted into that.
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You have never posted the words, “Teabaggers, Teabagging”?
ANTI is right.
BlueJay is a hypocrite.
I’ll add that he is a liar as well.
BlueJay knew full well what he meant by the comment.
Thanks Regular.
I’ve got a vehicle issue to research, so I’m out.
Enjoy.
I didn’t tell the Republican party to make its new symbol the teabag.
I didn’t tell them to carry signs and wear hats covered with teabags. IF they have, once again made themselves the subject of humor and ridicule?
Hey they are the party that gave us Sarah Palin.
Happy teabagging to teabaggers everywhere
In the bedroom, or the public square!
Yes BlueJay, we know you are not responsible for a damn thing, you don’t need to keep reminding us.
I know what safe mode in browser is, I don’t need an explanation.
Then why did you mention viruses and scripts in reference to ‘SafeSearch is off’ mode?
Your analogy skills suck.
You go from personal events to an inclusion that it happens to every one because of your two accident events.
Yes, because you were arguing that since you had only experienced ‘teabagging’ in a homosexual context (personal events) that ‘teabagging’ could not possibly occur in a heterosexual context. (everyone else) This is what makes the two arguments analogous.
I’m a trained Safety Engineer with a lot of Risk Assessment training and don’t need explanations in car accident analogies.
Ummm…congratulations? I just hope that understanding the concept analogous arguments is not a critical component of your job skill set.
“Regular” is not a safety engineer.
Bluejay you little liar you. You said upthread that Michael Steel said there were 300,000 protestors on TEA day. He said no such thing. He said there were 3000 people in Indiana last night with him and Sarah Palin protesting the taking of innocent life by abortion.
Now if you are going to report on that lying FOX news at least be honest. Of course for you that would be impossible.
Poor pathetic person with no just cause so you try to put down the conservative movement. You have just seen the first verse. Wait for the stanza.
And blowhard the only people ‘teabagging’ here are the libs. The conservatives had a Taxed Enough Already day. That is shortened to TAX Day.
Too bad the reading comprehension on the left is so poor. The result of public schools I guess.
okobserver posted April 17, 2009 at 11:17 pm
The conservatives had a Taxed Enough Already day. That is shortened to TAX Day.
Too bad the reading comprehension on the left is so poor. The result of public schools I guess.
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TEA = TAX?
“You said upthread that Michael Steel said there were 300,000 protestors on TEA day. He said no such thing.”
That IS what I heard him say. If you can prove me a liar, you may feel free to do so. But first?
I invite you to prove YOUR claim that you post to a blog full of Democrats who are sorry that they voted for President Obama. THEN, you can find proof of your post that the President was shouted at by hecklers.
“The conservatives had a Taxed Enough Already day. That is shortened to TAX Day.”
It is?
Since when does “already” start with X?
Oh and you told us there were Democrats among the teabaggers. But you never proved that either.
Late at night typo. I listened to Steele and he didn’t say anything resembling that. You are a liar and worse.
The left is sure hung up on the teabagging thing.
Lying and obsessing. You have got it bad.
Pathetic.
You said Steele said something he didn’t. I listened again to hear him say it and he didn’t. Prove your own lies blowhard.
It for the night. Have a great one.
I have been to Fox news and on the site for the “Hannity” show.
The interview with Michael Steele is not there. I cannot prove that I heard him say that he was grateful for the 300,000 who showed up at the tea parties.
But I maintain that I did hear him say it.
I guess it will be my word against your okie.
I’m ok with that.
Google Search “hannity 30,000″
Hannity Atlanta Tea Party April – 12:36am
Hannity – FOXNews.com 28 Mar 2009 … More than 30000 people turned out for tea parties around the country last month. ..and many, many more are finding …
hannity-atlanta-tea-party-april.we11april.us/ – Similar pages
Daniel
Posted April 17, 2009 at 9:44 pm
I know what safe mode in browser is, I don’t need an explanation.
Then why did you mention viruses and scripts in reference to ‘SafeSearch is off’ mode?
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You can’t possibly be that Web illiterate.
It’s been known for years that Web Pages that have porn or vulgar content will load you up with all sorts of viruses, worms, scripts, keyloggers, etc.
The page owner might even be aware that its there or doesn’t care.
Sorry, I get plenty of good and reasonable information in Web Browser Safe mode, I don’t need to fill my mind with corrupt images and content. And I certainly don’t need to put my computer at risk.
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Regular
Posted April 18, 2009 at 2:00 am | Permalink
Daniel
Posted April 17, 2009 at 9:44 pm
I know what safe mode in browser is, I don’t need an explanation.
Then why did you mention viruses and scripts in reference to ‘SafeSearch is off’ mode?
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You can’t possibly be that Web illiterate.
It’s been known for years that Web Pages that have porn or vulgar content will load you up with all sorts of viruses, worms, scripts, keyloggers, etc.
The page owner might even be aware that its there or doesn’t care.
Sorry, I get plenty of good and reasonable information in Web Browser Safe mode, I don’t need to fill my mind with corrupt images and content. And I certainly don’t need to put my computer at risk.
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OK, fine. To each his own, I suppose.
So, given all your Internet ‘research,’ do you still contend that ‘teabagging’ is an act that is limited only to homosexual sexual activity?
Daniel,
“So, given all your Internet ‘research,’ do you still contend that ‘teabagging’ is an act that is limited only to homosexual sexual activity?”
Must be! He’s hetero, and ne’s never gotten any.
“Jed” –
Or, the only way “Regular” has experienced “tea-bagging” is at a Cub Scout sleep-over.
DavidB
Posted April 18, 2009 at 1:37 am | Permalink
Google Search “hannity 30,000?
Hannity Atlanta Tea Party April – 12:36am
Hannity – FOXNews.com 28 Mar 2009 … More than 30000 people turned out for tea parties around the country last month. ..and many, many more are finding …
hannity-atlanta-tea-party-april.we11april.us/ – Similar pages
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What does something from 28 mar 2009 have to do with an event that happened on April 15th?
BJ I listened to it at 11 because I didn’t hear that at 8. He didn’t say it. This is a lame tool of the left to make up facts to support their conclusion.
Pathetic.
“okobserver” –
I frequently have one of the news channels playing in the background and I’m pretty sure I heard Michael Steele talk about “300,000″ participants at your TEA parties.
I can’t swear to it.
But once you extrapolate the 5,000 people in Sacramento and the 500 people in Washington, DC and the 12 people in Warrensburg, Missouri… “300,000″ seems like a generous estimation. And in a nation of 300 Million people, it’s pretty inconsequential.
What’s consequential is how you, “okobserver,” have latched on to this particular tangential factoid as a vehicle for your perceived superior political outlook.
As a former CON, “BlueJay” sometimes comes off as pushy and extremist as recovering alcoholics, newly “saved” Twice-Borners, and peoeple who used to order Pepsi Clear. A little too much passion but genuinely convinced by their enlightenment.
But the herd behavior of CONs in this forum, piling on “BlueJay” for no particular reason other than being a bunch of bullies gets a little tiresome.
You CONs remind me of George Kennedy in the fight scene in “Cool Hand Luke.” Ol’ “Blue Jay” is Paul Newman and the crazy SOB keeps getting back up!”
God love ‘im.
“BJ I listened to it at 11 because I didn’t hear that at 8. He didn’t say it. This is a lame tool of the left to make up facts to support their conclusion.”
I did NOT listen again at 11.
I have said, I cannot prove that I heard Michael Steele, Republican National Committee chair, say that he was grateful for the 300,000 who turned out for the tea parties. It is my assertion that I DID hear it.
Likewise, you have shown no proof, (other than your many times demonstrated worthless word), that Michael Steele did NOT say it.
I suppose that readers will have to decide who it is they choose to believe. I am, as I said, comfortable with that.
Likewise, you have shown no proof, (other than your many times demonstrated worthless word), that Michael Steele did NOT say it.
I suppose that readers will have to decide who it is they choose to believe. I am, as I said, comfortable with that.
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Nice JR weasel out there blowhard. You lie, get caught and then make assertions about my honesty. Way to go. As you said the readers will make up their minds. HaHaHa
Monkey I piled on because it was an absurd statement that he made up out of wholecloth and it had no basis what so ever. I watch it again just to be sure before posting.
He made it up. I called him on it. Just another way the left is trying to diminish the turnout for the biggest citizen driven protest in our history.
And BTW I knew Paul Newman and BJ is no Paul Newman.;-)
I heard Michael Steele say that he was happy about 300,000 people turning out for the tea parties. I cannot prove that anymore than okobserver can disprove it. It is possible I heard wrong but I cannot prove that either. Neither can okie. What I CAN point out is that okobserver has been caught in any number of mistakes, distortions AND outright lies. I never have. I place my word against that of obobserver and am comfortable with it.
“Just another way the left is trying to diminish the turnout for the biggest citizen driven protest in our history.”
I’M doubting that your little con vention was the biggest citizen driven protest in history. I don’t think it even comes close. Unless you prove otherwise, you are, by your own standards, a liar.
Again.
Yeah, “BlueJay” –
But “okobserver” was BFF with Paul Newman.
She bought a jar of his salad dressing!
I got a packet of Newman dressing one time at McDonalds. Paul was a good guy but he never called.
I’ll just cut loose a few more at your tea party there okie.
It could HARDLY be called organized. Every con crank with a beef was there. Why here in Wichita, I saw one sign that said “Repeal the Patriot Act!”. It’s a wonder the assembled cons could focus on a collective interest for more than a few minutes and LUCKY there was not outright fisticuffs. Remember ALSO that any attendance estimates ALSO include people who showed up just for free food or music as well as people there to COUNTER demonstrate.
Hell okie, you couldn’t even be bothered to adorn your walker with teabags and trundle out to attend.
Nah okie, I take this “movement” only slightly serious. It was squeaky, creaky, and whack job freaky.
Pooh pooh to the cons and their righteous indignation.
okobserver wrote:
“He made it up. I called him on it. Just another way the left is trying to diminish the turnout for the biggest citizen driven protest in our history.”
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Sorry, you’re wrong and BlueJay is correct. Follow this link:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,516947,00.html
The link goes to a transcript of Hannity’s interview with Kristin Chenoweth. Just a bit below the picture of Chenoweth is a link labeled “Video: Watch Sean’s interview”
Follow this link and a new page will open that is titled TOP VIDEOS> SHOWS> HANNITY. Below the video player are a series of videos. Click on the video titled, “Return of American Outrage.” It is the 4th video in the queue and shows an image of Steele’s face.
The video is approximately nine minutes long and the video player counts down the time. Steele comes in at about the 6:40 mark and while exchanging pleasantries with Hannity makes reference to the 300,000 Americans who came out and stood up for their families, freedom, etc…
Thanks Daniel! I owe ya one.
I was pretty sure I heard that right. Thank you for the assist.
No problem. It just bothered me that okobserver was so quick to label someone a LIAR!!! multiple times without offering up any proof.
The truth is usually out there somewhere, you just have to know how to find it.
Daniel thanks for looking that up. As I said he didn’t say there were 300,000 protesters. He said there were ‘over 300,000 protestors’. That video was a good one for the left to watch and see their own heros in action saying people should speak out when they are outraged with what their gov is doing.
If you want to see an accurate count;http://www.hench.net/2009/teaparty.htm
After gathering numbers from all over the country the low end number is just a few shy of 700,000. Jr doesn’t want to see the truth and certainly not hear it. So he shades the truth and you just helped him out.
Thats ok. The right is mad and they aren’t going to take it anymore. I heard that somewhere.
As I said he didn’t say there were 300.000 people but ‘more than 300,000. The poor man was getting numbers from the MSM and heavens knows they don’t want the truth out.
You called me a liar okie.
THEN you said you listened to what I said I heard and called me a liar again.
Two possibilities here.
Either your hearing was off when you listened to the re- broadcast at 11.
OR you deliberately lied with the hope that I would have no further way to prove myself.
It is not for me to decide which.
When I first posted what it was I was sure I heard Michael Steele say, I figured that it would be Michael Steele who would fall under attack.
Now, I will be right about that as well.
“Jr doesn’t want to see the truth and certainly not hear it. So he shades the truth …”
Still TRYING to make ME the dishonest one eh?
I didn’t shade anything. I didn’t avoid anything.
I told the forum what I heard Michael Steele say.
As apologies go okie, yours does not surprise me and says more about you than it does me.
No kidding, Jay.
Oko was simply wrong after she called you out on it.
Now, she can’t simply admit she was wrong.
Always being right is important to CONs, for they start with the conclusions and then work backwards to find the evidence they want.
If they start admitting that they’re wrong, the next thing you know, they’ll actually have to start using facts to draw conclusions instead of what they do now.
As for me, I’m a total pragmatist.
If tax cuts for the rich actually helped everyone, like the CONs say, then I’d be for them.
We had eight years of tax cuts for the rich. It failed miserably.
If private healthcare worked, I’d be all for it. It doesn’t work. We have more costs and worse outcomes than freaking Taiwan.
We’ve had a test of what the CONs want.
That’s why more Americans voted for Barack Obama than in any other election since George Washington . . . the CON attempts have been tried and they failed.
BJ in no way was I putting Steele down. In case you missed it I said the MSM was at fault for not reporting one of the biggest citizen revolts in the history of our country.
I am sorry for calling you a liar. I should have just said you didn’t accurately report what you heard.
And Capn what about Obamas plan is working? Unemployment is going up daily. Tax cuts have worked under Kennedy, Reagan and Bush 43. This is a fact. I have always said the country will recover from this recession as it has from others. The difference will be the length. This will hinge on how it is handled by the prez and congress. So far this massive spending isn’t working and it is putting future generations in a debt they will never be able to pay back. That is what the TEA party is all about.
Again BJ sorry for the label. I don’t like it when it is applied to me either. But I really think you should tell the entire story instead of being selective in your info.
ALMOST!
You almost made it through your post without AGAIN assaulting my honesty.
“I really think you should tell the entire story instead of being selective in your info.”
AGAIN you imply an attempt at dishonesty on my part. I said that Michael Steele was pleased that 300,000 people turned out to the tea parties. How am I leaving anything out? I didn’t look at Daniel’s link. The only thing you MIGHT have me on are two words “more than.” As in Michael Steele was pleased that more than 300,000 people turned out.
My leaving out two words was not dishonest. I didn’t hear “more than”. Even if I had what is the try for deception between “300,000″ and “more than 300,000″? The number is small enough, I don’t need to deviously whittle it down to round numbers.
What an ignorant statement. How many americans were there when washington was elecyed?
How many voted for clinton over bush?
okobserver wrote:
Daniel thanks for looking that up. As I said he didn’t say there were 300,000 protesters. He said there were ‘over 300,000 protestors’. That video was a good one for the left to watch and see their own heros in action saying people should speak out when they are outraged with what their gov is doing.
If you want to see an accurate count;http://www.hench.net/2009/teaparty.htm
After gathering numbers from all over the country the low end number is just a few shy of 700,000. Jr doesn’t want to see the truth and certainly not hear it. So he shades the truth and you just helped him out.
Thats ok. The right is mad and they aren’t going to take it anymore. I heard that somewhere.
As I said he didn’t say there were 300.000 people but ‘more than 300,000. The poor man was getting numbers from the MSM and heavens knows they don’t want the truth out.
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I’m sorry, but you are still wrong. The bold sections in your comment do not accurately reflect what Michael Steele said.
As for your link, I think those numbers are suspect. They list the low, mid, and high number all at 4,000. How do they arrive at a number of 4,000? Does this number reflect estimates reported by local media outlets? Why are the low, mid, and high numbers all the same considering that local media estimated the number at 1,000? If the numbers reported for Wichita are inflated how can the rest of the numbers be trusted?
I was there Wednesday at 6:45 and there is no way that there were 4,000 people in attendance. My best estimate would be between 1,500 and 2,000.
Also, I haven’t seen a single post made by anyone saying that the teabaggers don’t have a right to protest. I totally agree with the notion that dissent is patriotic. However, others have the same right to ridicule or poke fun.
BlueJay
Posted April 17, 2009 at 8:10 pm | Permalink
Hi teabaggers!
All you folks who had your little teabag party the other day?
Michael Steele is on Hannity. YOU know? Michael Steele? The Republican National committee chair? Yeah him.
He was just saying he was impressed with the 300,000 people who came out for the teabagging.
Not a million. Not a half a million.
300,000.
That is one tenth of one percent of the national population.
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OK blowhard I tried to be nice to your sorry behind but once again you make that impossible. Your are a liar and a loser. See what you wrote and what Steele actually said. You even made a comparison to the national population.]
Your quote was a lie. Your comparison was inaccurate and your attempt to put down the importance of what happened failed.
Now does that make you glad? Back on a solid footing. You really shouldn’t put anyone down for a physical infirmity. As slow as I am I can still outwork you.
I didn’t quote anybody.
If I did, I would have quoted them exactly and put quotation marks around it. THAT is what it is to quote some one.
But if you would like to continue running into the door.
Michael Steele said essentially just what I said he said. Your beef is with him not me.
I made no comparisons let alone inaccurate ones.
My math is reasonably accurate.
IF my conclusions trouble you, then it must be that my assessment is sound enough at least to get at you. Otherwise why not just dismiss me instead of making such Herculean efforts to make me either a fool or a liar?
The truth hurts.
“He was just saying he was impressed with the 300,000 people who came out for the teabagging.
Not a million. Not a half a million.
300,000.
That is one tenth of one percent of the national population.”
Your quote nitwit – it was a lie. Have you always had this much trouble with reading.
WHAT lie?
Okobserver you are clearly not playing with a full deck. You even exhibit symptoms of bipolar disorder.
Let’s review.
You called me a liar. THEN you lied to try and make me a liar. THEN you got caught and made a half hearted apology. NOW you are back to calling me a liar again?
Lady? And I use the term with respect you have not earned.
You are crazy.
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Blue,
So we’re all the way up to 1/5 of 1%. Don’t knock it! I’m utterly surprised they got that many people to publicly admit to being ‘publican these days!
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