“America has always been, and remains, a deeply religious nation. At our best, we live up to our national ideals of defending the equality and dignity of each and every human life. Public policy decisions are all about deciding what type of nation we shall be. And the sacredness of the human person is a principle that tends to get lost in that decision-making process as societies become more secular.” — Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., in a CNSNews.com commentary about polls showing a decline in religious observance
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Looks like Sen. Brownback is attempting to reach the only constituency he can clutch for … the religous right. He would be better served to find a small Baptist or Catholic Church somewhere in the south for a podium to rant from.
Sam’s taking a page from W’s playbook – well good buddy, I aint gonna be out-christianed by anyone!!!
Note to Senator B, we’re all sick of that – promoting religion while picking everyone’s pockets.
Get a new gig, try governing for a change.
I read Brownback’s ludicrous editorial. What a bunch of complete hooey.
Just as one example, Brownback’s claim that the “breakdown” of the family is more “Advanced” in Europe than in the United States. Aside from the fact that any truth to that claim would not be evidence for Brownback’s supposed cause for that claim (more secularization in European states), the claim is not even true.
http://www.divorcereform.org/gul.html
Certainly, there is no correlation between regions of the country in terms of the proportions of their population that describe themselves as secular and divorce rates.
As for Brownback’s contentions that lack of religious observances is negatively correlated with children’s outcomes, the methodological flaws of the studies that are the source for Brownback’s claim are well known. Basically, people who were too disorganized to engage in any sort of structured practice (including religious observations) were lumped in with people who chose a secular lifestyle. When that factor is controlled for, the differences in outcomes for children fade.
Should be:
“Certainly, there is no correlation between regions of this country in terms of the proportions of their population that describe themselves as secular and divorce rates.”
Even Mel Gibson is getting divorced and he’s a more kooky Catholic than Brownback
It’s not faith which is keeping us strong. According to VP Biden – it is Barack Obama which is keeping this nation strong.
An excellent article by Sen. Brownback. It was a religious, disciplined people who built this country into the greatest in the world. Eliminate those attributes and it’s a crap shoot where we go from here.
As Governor Brownback, Kansas will then OFFICIAL become the only state with a theocracy as its state government. This man can NOT win that race even if we have to elect a dead monkey instead.
outlander: “It was a religious, disciplined people who built this country into the greatest in the world.”
Some of the most important people in the history of building this country were not “religious” in any sort of traditional sense. Others of course were.
outlander: “Eliminate those attributes and it’s a crap shoot where we go from here.”
Religious does not equal disciplined, and being religious (particularly in the narrow sense of being a “Christian” like Brownback, and almost certainly you, mean it) is not predictive of how productive a person is.
And to infer that people who lack the attribute of being “religious” are not disciplined and therefore are non-productive truly is a classic example of religious bigotry.
Sen. Brownnose needs to follow his former fuhrer into a well-deserved extinction.
Hey Aggie. Whatcha think of old Shaved Clean’s paranoia?
BTW, I didn’t attribute discipline to only the religious, although most certainly as a group they would be more than the heathens. Were you looking hard to find a point to make?
You can’t deny the religious heritage of this country.
The ‘jawless fish’ has fear of becoming a church mouse.
“Hey Aggie. Whatcha think of old Shaved Clean’s paranoia?”
A Governor Brownback, in conjuction with the current wingnut legislature, would certainly try to implement some theocratic policies. However, they haven’t been doing very well in statewide elections for awhile now in the face of moderate Republican alternatives. As long as he keeps writing editorials like this that reinforce his Christain Right credentials, he is not likely to make it past Ron Thornburgh. The wingnuts get elected in their districts because they control the machinery of the party. You still don’t seem to get it, outlander. Your side of the political and religious spectrum is turning people off.
“BTW, I didn’t attribute discipline to only the religious, although most certainly as a group they would be more than the heathens. Were you looking hard to find a point to make?”
Hardly, you made the pairing:
“It was a religious, disciplined people who built this country into the greatest in the world.”
To try to claim in retrospect that I was “lloking hard to find a point to make” is simply weak revisionism.
The sentence:
“The wingnuts get elected in their districts because they control the machinery of the party.”
Should precede the sentence:
“However, they haven’t been doing very well in statewide elections for awhile now in the face of moderate Republican alternatives.”
“It was a religious, disciplined people who built this country into the greatest in the world.” – little ol’ me
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But look what you inferred from that sentence Aggie.
“Religious does not equal disciplined, and being religious (particularly in the narrow sense of being a “Christian” like Brownback, and almost certainly you, mean it) is not predictive of how productive a person is.
And to infer that people who lack the attribute of being “religious” are not disciplined and therefore are non-productive truly is a classic example of religious bigotry”.
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Good grief.
“Agnatha; making stuff up, and as always, saying less in two paragraphs than most people are able to say in a sentence”.
The debate is not settled. Did Pearl pollute the San Antonio river or does San Antonio River water pollute Pearl beer?
DAMNIT !!! Wrong thread again.
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outlander
Posted April 14, 2009 at 1:58 pm | Permalink
“Agnatha; making stuff up, and as always, saying less in two paragraphs than most people are able to say in a sentence”.
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Yes, Agnatha, don’t you realize that the con bloggers here at the Wichita garbage dump are incapable of understanding anything containing more than one sentence? You really need to apply the rule, KISS, when attempting to communicate with them.
You really need to apply the rule, KISS, when attempting to communicate with them.
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Hey Walker, I got something for your KISS.
How’s your golf game?
Brownback: Faith helped make America strong
Not HIS type of faith it didn’t.
Dear XXXXX,
Just a quick note to remind everyone to get your taxes postmarked by Wednesday.
April 15th has the dubious distinction of being the day that reminds everyone why small, limited government is the best way to go.
I’m going to be spending Tax Day traveling across Kansas to attend Tea Parties in Junction City, Wichita and Topeka. These meetings will help draw attention to the irresponsible tax-and-spend policies contained in the stimulus package and the budget packages passed by the House and Senate. A bad precedent was set with the astronomical bailouts, and the President’s budget just continues the wasteful spending. Plain and simple, the new budget spends too much, borrows too much, and most importantly, taxes too much!
Families across Kansas are trying to spend responsibly in this economic downturn, and its troubling that the federal government doesn’t believe that it needs to tighten the belt as well. The spending policies of the current administration have far reaching consequences, and none of us want our children and grandchildren to have to pay for the irresponsible spending that’s going on now.
I also wanted to invite you to come join me at the tax day events tomorrow. You can see the schedule of events below:
Junction City Tax Day Tea Party
Wednesday, April 15 12:00 p.m. – 12:45 p.m.
Central City Municipal Building
7th and Jefferson
Junction City, Kansas
Wichita Tax Day Tea Party
Wednesday, April 15 4:15 p.m. – 5:15 p.m.
Central Wichita Airport Post Office
7117 W. Harry St.
Wichita, Kansas
Topeka Tax Day Tea Party
Wednesday, April 15 6:45 p.m. – 7:30 p.m.
Central North Topeka Post Office Annex
1410 NW Gage Boulevard
Topeka, Kansas
I hope you had a wonderful Easter! All the best,
Very Respectfully,
sam brownback
Sam Brownback
outlander: “‘It was a religious, disciplined people who built this country into the greatest in the world.’ – little ol’ me”
Nice try, your sentence appeared in this context:
“An excellent article by Sen. Brownback. It was a religious, disciplined people who built this country into the greatest in the world. Eliminate those attributes and it’s a crap shoot where we go from here.”
1) You paired religious with disciplined. Therefore, the clear inference is that one at least entails the other.
2) You indicated that it was the “religious, disciplined people who built this country into the greatest in the world.” The clear inference is that those who are not religious are not the sort of disciplined folk who were productive enough to build this country into the greatest in the world.
3) Also, point of reality. You have a posting history here. Your perspectives regarding religion and politics are well known to anyone who frequents this board. That history, in combination with what you said, makes me fully confident that my interpretation of your post is justified.
outlander then attempts some snark: “Agnatha; making stuff up, and as always, saying less in two paragraphs than most people are able to say in a sentence.”
Translation: Gee you write long posts. I don’t really have a way to refute them. but I can try to say something snarky about the length of your posts.
Translation: Gee you write long posts. I don’t really have a way to refute them. but I can try to say something snarky about the length of your posts.
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Aggie: Don’t read my posts if you can’t handle snark. Because if anyone deserves snark, it’s you. No, that’s not right. That would be CapnAmerica. But you’re close. You invite it. You’re a legend in your on mind.
Honestly, I don’t mind long posts. It’s just that when you bloviate as usual AND on top of that make things up, pretending to mind read that I get a little perturbed.
Anyway, how ’bout them Royals?
So why aren’t you up in front of the U.S. Senate every day, telling Congress how your faith and that of many millions of Americans demands standing staunchly against every pro-abortion extremist nominee like Bilious Sebelius that Obamanation throws at the Senate for confirmation?
You haven’t got the guts, you spineless turncoat.
“Don’t read my posts if you can’t handle snark.”
Followed by…
“You’re a legend in your own mind.”
LOL
If you inferred that I can’t handle your attempts at snark, I’m not the one who is a legend in his own mind.
Haven’t been following the Royals this season (I have generally gotten pretty disgusted with Major League Baseball). Wish they had gotten better ownership since Kauffman died, although Glass gradually seems to be getting a clue.
Yeah, makes you long for the 80’s with Brett, White, Wilson, Quiz etc… But they have some good young talent they are raising up for the Yankees, and a GM who looks like he knows what he is doing.
As far as being contenders, if the Twinkies can do it…
Sam Brownhole is an embarrassment to all of Kansas. He’s just sucking up to the only fools who still fall for his schtick.
Too bad there are so many of them here.
“…defending the equality and dignity of each and every human life.”
Except if he decides to support an unjust war ending hundreds of thousands of human lifes and condoning the dignity depriving pratice of torture.
Thats what it means to be deeply religious, any abhorant behaviour can be justified because they are deluded about obtaining forgiveness in some imagnary afterlife.
Let’s remember, Brownback is catholic (I have no problem with this) and the catholic church is run by the leader (The Pope)of a foreign country (Te vatican). Are we to allow a foreign country to dictate what our elected officials are to do and how they should act?