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A recently published scientific study helps confirm the notion that the more religious a person is, the less their brain is functioning. Yes, fervent believers are mentally deficient. A part of their brain which responds to errors is less likely to fire which makes sense as fundies aren’t terribly intellectually curious. I wondered how they could accept absurd stories like talking snakes and women being cloned from ribs, it’s because fundies just don’t care about being wrong.
“Researchers find brain differences between believers and non-believers
Compared to non-believers, the religious participants showed significantly less activity in the anterior cingulate cortex (ACC), a portion of the brain that helps modify behavior by signaling when attention and control are needed, usually as a result of some anxiety-producing event like making a mistake. The stronger their religious zeal and the more they believed in God, the less their ACC fired in response to their own errors, and the fewer errors they made.
“You could think of this part of the brain like a cortical alarm bell that rings when an individual has just made a mistake or experiences uncertainty,” says lead author Inzlicht, who teaches and conducts research at the University of Toronto Scarborough. “We found that religious people or even people who simply believe in the existence of God show significantly less brain activity in relation to their own errors. They’re much less anxious and feel less stressed when they have made an error.”"
More about why fundies are mentally deficient at:
http://www.physorg.com/news155404273.html%5B2%5D%C3%82%C2%A0Researchers/
News you can use! Tonight, spring your clocks forward at midnight … daylight savings time is here again … except in Arizona. This doesn’t add an hour to the day … it only shifts an hour of sun light from morning to evening.
Also get ready … full moon on Wednesday, March 11th, of this week.
Surprise, surprise, Republican Bill Warren took millions in taxpayer money, which he said would go to upgrading his theater, and simply paid off his debts.
http://www.kansas.com/news/story/724725.html
Once again the taxpayers are robbed, a Republican gets wealthier, and everyone else gets the shaft. However, this is no surprise as all this was predicted when Warren begged the City Council for the interest free loan.
Looks like it’s going to be another beautiful day. I hope the forecast for rain this evening is correct. Sure is dry and windy.
“spring your clocks forward at midnight”
How about 2 am?
Greetings Wichitans,
Dubya waves hi to y’all. :D
oopsie hehehe
Maggotpunk
Posted March 7, 2009 at 6:01 am | Permalink
A recently published scientific study helps confirm the notion that the more religious a person is, the less their brain is functioning. Yes, fervent believers are mentally deficient.
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That’s quite a leap of logic, Maggot. So now, Christians are mentally deficient? I guess you missed this part:
“These correlations remained strong even after controlling for personality and cognitive ability, says Inzlicht, who also found that religious participants made fewer errors on the Stroop task than their non-believing counterparts.”
Religious participants made fewer errors on the Stroop task than their non-believing counterparts. I guess that means that Christians are smarter than non-believers.
Your posts would support that idea.
Crushing Those Animal Spirits
by Michael Barone
“Animal spirits,” said John Maynard Keynes, are the essential spring of capitalism. We depend on the animal spirits of investors, high earners and entrepreneurs for a growing economy.
Keynes, a subtler analyst of market economies than the single-minded booster of high government spending that so-called Keynesian economists depict, knew whereof he spoke. People don’t just respond in linear quantum jumps to the incentives and disincentives they perceive around them. They perk up when their animal spirits are aroused, and they slump down into inertia when they are not.
Barack Obama’s tax plans, announced in his budget message last week, threaten to depress the animal spirits that we depend on for economic recovery.
The Obama tax plan, combined with major state tax plans, puts not a three in front of the high earners’ tax rate as the Clinton plan did, it puts a four or a five in front of it. And at that point, I fear, the animal spirits of high earners are going to be directed away from productive investment and toward tax avoidance and tax shelters. Away from creating new enterprises that can provide avenues upward for any and all, and toward gaming the system for the well-connected and shrewd insiders. Away from an economy that grows more than anyone imagined and toward an economy where system-gamers take shares of a static pie away from the rest of us. Is that where we really want to go?”
And by the way Maggot, I know of NOT A SINGLE conservative real Republican that agreed with giving Warren any taxpayer money, but in fact resented it as a typical inside ‘good ol boy’ political ploy. The kind Dimocrats are famous for.
yeah maggot, and your brain function simply is “it’s somebody else’s fault”
Thank goodness Rush Limbaugh isn’t fat like Michael Moore. The CONs would have a reason to hate him.
Plug-In Hybrid Scooter Coming to U.S. in 2010
Paolo Timoni, President and CEO of Piaggio Group Americas — maker of the Piaggio and Vespa brands of motor scooters — confirmed to FOXNews.com that the company is planning to sell a plug-in hybrid version of one of its vehicles in the United States starting in early 2010. If the gas-electric scooter makes it into showrooms on schedule, it will be the first plug-in hybrid vehicle to go on sale in the U.S., beating the Volt to market by several months, at least.
According to Piaggio, the three-wheel scooter will travel several miles on battery power alone, and get up to 141 miles per gallon overall, which would make it one of the most fuel efficient vehicles ever made.
more at:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,506768,00.html
Did you know that Bigfoot is a space alien? Or Bigfoot is a creature from a different dimension.
Both are an explanation for why no bodies have been found and there is little actual physical evidence to support the existence of Bigfoot. So now it is animal spirits that causes Capitalism? Sorry but perhaps everyone need to grasp a straw as there seems to be several grasping for straws. We might soon be out of straws!
I just love it, when lacking a logical reason to be apposed to the Obama plans than the illogical comes out.
Stories of successful people with intent becoming less successful to avoid paying a little more in taxes.
Now its Obama is oppressing the animal spirits that create Capitalism. Lets stick to we can not afford it or this is not the time to be adding to the debit with programs that will not bring recovery for ten years down the road. But voodoo logic is like the following:
Abet to Costello: “HOW STUPID CAN YOU GET?”
Costello to Abet: “How stupid do you want me to be?”.
Ahh not this stupid… sigh.
No writerdog, it is YOU that are “Stupid” if you are so slow as to not understand simple euphemisms.
writerdog,
I am convinced you ARE that slow, so here I’ll help.
“animal spirits” = a risk taking entrepreneurial spirit that will venture capital to build companies, employ people for those companies and grow the economy for everyone. A “spirit” squelched by high taxation and big confiscatory government action.
“The stronger their religious zeal and the more they believed in God, the less their ACC fired in response to their own errors, and the fewer errors they made.”
“We found that religious people or even people who simply believe in the existence of God show significantly less brain activity in relation to their own errors. They’re much less anxious and feel less stressed when they have made an error.””
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Hmmm… Fewer errors, less stress. Thanks for the commercial promoting religion Maggie.
You may have made an error posting that. Can I get you something for your stress?
Good morning,XXX
Mr Maggotpunk has a square hole and a big hammer. The name of his hole is ‘Christians are dumb’.
With his big hammer he can pound any peg into his hole.
They are only dumb when it comes to religion, HLPless. As anyone can easily conclude from Mr. Larvae’s study, God made athiests.
From Maggotpunk’s link. This one para explains a lot of bush the lessor’s term in office.
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“Obviously, anxiety can be negative because if you have too much, you’re paralyzed with fear,” he says. “However, it also serves a very useful function in that it alerts us when we’re making mistakes. If you don’t experience anxiety when you make an error, what impetus do you have to change or improve your behavior so you don’t make the same mistakes again and again?”
“If you don’t experience anxiety when you make an error, what impetus do you have to change or improve your behavior so you don’t make the same mistakes again and again?”
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I get a kick out of researchers as they struggle with bending conclusions to their preconceived ideas. Sounds like he is talking about a lab rat.
That has to be a classic. What a moron.
Philippians 4:6-9, True Peace in Your Life
Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. 7And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. 8Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable — if anything is excellent or praiseworthy — think about such things. 9Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me — put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you. (NIV)
Maggotpunk lies about the conclusions of the study.
The results of the study have nothing to do with “…the notion that the more religious a person is, the less their brain is functioning.” or “…fundies aren’t terribly intellectually curious.”
Maggotpunk is a liar and will use any ridiculous premise to bash Christians.
From the sub-title of Maggotpunk’s link:
“Believing in God can help block anxiety and minimize stress, according to new University of Toronto research that shows distinct brain differences between believers and non-believers.”
Only a fool could turn the results of this study into a rant against Fundies!
I did understand what this was about Boxlock20 but lets use some real logic. Why do people really want to be successful? Yesterday and I wish I could give credit but I do not recall whom it was. but someone gave a glimpse into their early childhood. Cockroaches in the cereals and having to live in a lower class household.
They swore they would not live like that again or have their children live such a childhood.
It is the drive that causes them to successes. That is an example of what it meant by “animal spirits” no voodoo, no fancy baser human instinct. AND certainly nothing that Obama could control or discourage.
There is no one that is giving up a multi million dollar job, throwing up their hands and refusing to succeed because they have to pay more in taxes or not use a private jet. They will as one firm did just call a bonus something else and keep giving them out. There is no magic or mystery to those that succeed they simply desire something that others do not! No hidden beast spirits and they are not any more special then anyone else. Good Lord I have been around enough of them, they even take a crap once in a while that is just how human they are!
But as extensive and improbable as it is for him to bring about. He might be able to start the path to the day no other children have to shake the box to get the Cockroaches out of. I think it may not be likely in my lifetime. But then I did not think it was possible in my lifetime to see a Black man elected as President of the United States. When that day comes that a child no longer has to live with the Cockroaches, that is the true definition of Success!
How it that for understanding? I hope it is good enough, I am a lousy artist and can not draw pictures worth a crap.
“Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me — put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you”
Doesn’t sound like the agenda of most right wing republican christians.
“fundies aren’t terribly intellectually curious.”
To be intellectually curious, one has to question his own beliefs and consider other’s thoughts and opinions…I’d say fundies fall pretty short on that requirement for being intellectual.
“Doesn’t sound like the agenda of most right wing republican (C)hristians.”
Sounds a little judgmental first thing in the morning!
Just stating the obvious, Hank!
“To be intellectually curious, one has to question his own beliefs and consider other’s thoughts and opinions…I’d say fundies fall pretty short on that requirement for being intellectual.”
Really Mary? Could this be your own prejudices talking?
HLP
Posted March 7, 2009 at 8:20 am | Permalink
Good morning,XXX
Mr Maggotpunk has a square hole and a big hammer. The name of his hole is ‘Christians are dumb’.
With his big hammer he can pound any peg into his hole.
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Good morning, Hank.
It makes one wonder what kind of person starts the morning with an attack on Christians. What makes Maggot so afraid of us?
Mary “never judges”.
Obvious to who?
When was the last time you questioned your beliefs?
I still remember you and your sister in my prayers, I assume when you need God you ask for his help or do you just ask the ‘true beleivers’ to do your praying?
Well, XXX,
I’m a pretty lovable, friendly old sheep herder.
You on the other hand, are a pretty scary biker dude.
Well I believe in God and Jesus Christ is the Lord and savior… LOL But then I am also that slow…arrrrrrr! excuse me I need to wipe the drewl of my chin.
off sorry
XXX, HLP – I have to agree with you. While I am not a Christian I do not feel a need to bash them. I will bash ‘ChristISTS’ – i.e. those who would impose their version of Sharia law upon society. However, I will not bash ‘real Christians’ like my wife.
However, I will not bash ‘real Christians’ like my wife.
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That’s probably a good idea!
“I still remember you and your sister in my prayers, I assume when you need God you ask for his help or do you just ask the ‘true beleivers’ to do your praying?”
Thank you for your prayers, Hank. I also pray. One doesn’t have to be a Christian to pray, and I don’t believe that being Christian makes you anymore of a “true believer” than a Buddist or a Hindu or a Jew. No one has a monopoly on the path to God.
I believe that those who share their beliefs should walk the walk, not just use their religion as a weapon to condemn others to hell.
And I also belive that those who profess to follow the teachings of Jesus should emulate Jesus and treat their fellow man the way Jesus would..by being an advocate for the downtrodden and living a life of self sacrifice and service, not wearing their religion on their sleeve and being abusive and condesending to others who may not believe the way they do.
BTW, you don’t have to be a Christian to know that Jesus was a great teacher and choosing to live one’s life according to the principles he taught.
“Really Mary? Could this be your own prejudices talking?”
I have to admit, I haven’t met too many “fundies” that are willing to think outside the box.
U.S. Bankcorp CEO gets a 6% pay increase even though:
“Still, the Minneapolis-based bank reported a 72 percent drop in earnings in the final three months of last year — its eighth-straight quarterly profit decline — as it set aside more money to cover loan losses. U.S. Bancorp has said it expects loan losses to continue to rise during 2009.
I’m a show me kinda guy.
Let’s have with the blessings. Any worshiping or genuflecting will need to be paid in advance. Make my life easier. Make cons less hard headed and more warm hearted.
Until then? I see religion as a net negative to society. I’d rather see us work together hear on Earth on things we can actually see and make a difference in.
Hank posted March 7, 2009 at 9:06 am
When was the last time you questioned your beliefs?
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Hank,
Have you questioned your belief that because you did a little Navy “liason”(sic) duty, you know more about Earth’s average global temperature than the worlds top climate scientists?
here too,
Too many Christians think that if anyone disagrees with them or points out their hyprocrisy, then they’re “bashing” Christianity….it’s just the opposite. As one who spent many, many years studying the Christian religion and living it’s dogma, my only intention is to hold Christians accountable for their actions.
Probably none of my business but I’m going to say it anyway. You have a lot of bitterness Mary. Seems to me you let examples of human failures and weakness get in the way of your relationship with God.
And frankly, it seems that you are doing to others the very things that you accuse them of.
“The Dragons of Eden” by Carl Sagan is a good read. It explains the need nearly hard wired into the depths of the human brain to follow leaders and worship this or that bigger or more mysterious thing.
If I HAD to worship something? It would be the Earth.
Good morning, Hank.
It makes one wonder what kind of person starts the morning with an attack on Christians. What makes Maggot so afraid of us?
We do XXX, by all that non-believers ever get to see of the actions of Christians in the public venue is standing against this or standing against that. The Phelps of the world are getting the air time and yes even Pastor Joe Wright (whom I have never met) and Pastor Terry Fox (who married my son and daughter-in-law and I have talked to several times) are the pictures of Christianity that are seen. Any anti-porn groups cover their actions in the name of the Lord. Spirit one church with their bold and inflammatory sign in from of the church.
But is that Christianity? No and it is that fact that we need to show the non-believers. They will know the Lord by knowing us. Certainly it is the peace and assurance that comes with the Lord we need to show.
The above Pastors have made a horror-able mistake, an attempt to impose God’s laws on those whom do not believe. To force others to live by those laws and faith that they have no reason to obey. It said to them that God is an angry master whom has no understanding or compassion with his children.
The Bible said as a member of the faith you shall not be Homosexual, you shall not be lustful. But that is the law for those of the faith.
“my only intention is to hold Christians accountable for their actions.”
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Oh, and I believe that is God’s job.
“Seems to me you let examples of human failures and weakness get in the way of your relationship with God.”
No, my relationship with God is my own and has evolved over many years of exploring myself and the world around me. I’m not bitter with God, I’m bitter with the way humans use religion to justify their hatred, intolerance, and suppresion of their fellow man. From the likes of the pastors that writerdog pointed out above, to the people on this blog who are condesending, disrespectful, and abusive to those who have the audacity to disagree with them. If you’re going to claim you’re a Christian, then act like one.
I’m NOT a Christian and yet I act more like one than many self proclaimed Christians on this blog.
“HLP” gets up on his hind legs and pontificates –
“When was the last time you questioned your beliefs?”
Speaking only for myself, I’d say “Just about all the time.”
My spiritual journey is more about questions than answers since every fundie of every persuasion seems to think THEY and only they have the only answers.
And I kinda suspect God is bigger than “HLP” or the twice-born preacher at the store-front church or the televangelist with the hot-and-cold-running Learjets or the Pope or the Ayatollah du jour.
You, on the other hand, “HLP” don’t have anything except a book which you and the boy insist must be taken literally, except of course, according to the Gospel According to “Nathaniel” –
“Taking the bible literally, doesn’t mean and never did that you literally take every word literally.”
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outlander
Posted March 7, 2009 at 9:56 am | Permalink
“my only intention is to hold Christians accountable for their actions.”
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Oh, and I believe that is God’s job.
An attitude explained WELL by Senator Al Franken in his book “Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them”. He has a whole chapter devoted to supply side Jesus.
You should question your faith, to not means that your faith may not be strong enough to endure the question. You after all believe in someone that you can not point out to others. You believe in a loving and benevolent God that daily the news is full of stories such as the other day when three children were murdered. Good people suffer a horror-able death in an accident or actions of less then good people.
A beloved is taken from you or you as a true believer suffer an illness that threatens your life.
There are so many reason to question your faith and questioning is one gift that God gave us.
We lack the reasoning to understand all things so it is natural to question. If you can not question your faith and keep it. How can you show others that your faith is worth sharing?
“Oh, and I believe that is God’s job.”
No, it’s everyone’s job to point out injustice and hypocrisy when they see it.
See ya all later…I’m going to go make “eggs in a basket” for breakfast just like my daughter in law showed me this week. YUM!
Athiests who believe in spirtual journies bore me.
Speaking of Senator Franken…
“Once Franken does get to Washington, the Senate Republicans will have 41 votes to the Democrats’ 59, which means the Republicans sole hold on national power will involve getting every single party member to vote together to stop progress on whatever it is the Democrats are trying to do.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/07/opinion/07collins.html?_r=2
http://www.unicef.org.uk/youthvoice/pdfs/uncrc.pdf
The way of Obama’s new order. He’ll end up signing this and then…
Here’s an article about the above post:
http://www.borderfirereport.net/dana-gabriel/the-united-nations-our-childrens-new-parents.php
“They’re much less anxious and feel less stressed when they have made an error.”” [MP quote]
“Hmmm… Fewer errors, less stress. Thanks for the commercial promoting religion Maggie.
You may have made an error posting that. Can I get you something for your stress? [outlander]
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Outlander, you fail to read properly… Read it again…. The religious feel less anxious and less stressed WHEN THEY MAKE AN ERROR — THAT is the salient point…
That would seem obvious, since you never seem to even realize when you make a gaffe like the one above…. LOL
beber
Posted March 7, 2009 at 10:12 am | Permalink
Athiests who believe in spirtual journies bore me.
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Interesting question, beber…. Must one believe in god/s ion order to make a spiritual journey?? Does being spiritual require a belief in a Deity??
Having studied a fairly good amount on Buddhism, I would have to say NO… For the Buddhists have no Deity… No “god” —
“Chas” –
But the Twice Born are inerrant. I’m sure they always pray to have their posts spell-checked and rendered accurate before they contribute to this forum.
The result?
Divine Perfection, of course.
How could we possibly disagree?
True, Monkey….
bj work together?…that would be a first for you…..you must want more handouts
Pleefer
Posted March 7, 2009 at 10:20 am | Permalink
http://www.unicef.org.uk/youthvoice/pdfs/uncrc.pdf
The way of Obama’s new order. He’ll end up signing this and then…
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Pleefer, exactly what is it that you find upsetting about the U.N. Convention of the Rights of Children??
And, since it is not a legislative Bill, how do you figure Obama would sign it??
Pleefer, the U.S. President is not the ambassador to the U. N.
lindainks55
Posted March 7, 2009 at 10:12 am | Permalink
Speaking of Senator Franken…
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Yep, Linda… Those obstructionist Republicans could block anything they wanted that requires a super majority vote… And then they will just say, “The Democrats arent doing anything” LOL
linda.progress…bit of an over statement?
“There is no magic or mystery to those that succeed they simply desire something that others do not! No hidden beast spirits and they are not any more special then anyone else.”—writerdog
If “they simply desire something that others do not”, then why should the others get that ’something’ when they don’t want it enough to work for it themselves? Why should those that do want it, and are willing to do what is necessary to archive it, have it taxed away to give to those not willing to put forth the effort.
I never said anyone was “more special”, that’s the way your mind works, not mine. People are free to make choices and should live with those choices, and their consequences. That’s what teaches folks how to live in society. NOT a Marxist/Socialist government providing for them on the backs of the producers.
“Boxlock20″ –
You left out “Maoist.”
C’mon.
This “Marxist/Socialist” paradigm you’re wheezing about involves a marginal tax rate that goes from 36% to 39% percent on every dollar earned over $250,000 in a calendar year.
Even you should be able to figure out how absurd that sounds to sane people.
(Well, maybe not.)
hahaha!
(chortles)
Rush Limbaugh’s former ‘Man in Washington’ is leaving Sen. Inhofe (R-Oil), to spread his AGW denial falsehoods via a Scaife group.
‘Marc Morano Jumps the Sinking Inhofe Ship‘
http://www.desmogblog.com/marc-morano-jumps-sinking-inhofe-ship
Can anybody (please) answer the following:
1.What does Jesus have to do with capitalism? Where in the good book does Jesus promote the acquisition of material gain at the expense of human suffering?
2. Where does Jesus preach about the necessity of political affiliation and flag-waving politics?
3.Where does Jesus teach the “Christian World Viewpoint” and the importance of sacrificing our children in wars of geopolitical poker?
4.Where does Jesus teach it is important to destroy the environment for the sake of monetary profit?
I really think you will have trouble finding a Jesus that has a 401K, drives a Lexus, and listens to Rush. How so many Americans continue in their attempt to marry Hebrew myths and stories about a stonemason (not carpenter) to a culture that promotes materialism, greed, and war is beyond rational understanding.
Box-o-rocks, “winged-devil, running-dog” Marxist/Socialist government sounds better to me.
Somebody told me that that guy from Nazareth talked a lot about caring for the poor.
From the article Maggotpunk quoted:
“‘Obviously, anxiety can be negative because if you have too much, you’re paralyzed with fear,’ he says. ‘However, it also serves a very useful function in that it alerts us when we’re making mistakes. If you don’t experience anxiety when you make an error, what impetus do you have to change or improve your behaviour so you don’t make the same mistakes again and again?‘”
I don’t know whether I would consider myself an anxious person, but I personally find the kind of objectivity, including self objectivity and even self skepticism that comes with my non-theism, a healthy part of the agnostic outlook I endeavor to cultivate.
“Agnosticism, in fact, is not a creed, but a method, the essence of which lies in the rigorous application of a single principle. That principle is of great antiquity; it is as old as Socrates; as old as the writer who said, ‘Try all things, hold fast by that which is good’; it is the foundation of the Reformation, which simply illustrated the axiom that every man should be able to give a reason for the faith that is in him, it is the great principle of Descartes; it is the fundamental axiom of modern science. Positively the principle may be expressed: In matters of the intellect, follow your reason as far as it will take you, without regard to any other consideration. And negatively: In matters of the intellect, do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable. That I take to be the agnostic faith, which if a man keep whole and undefiled, he shall not be ashamed to look the universe in the face, whatever the future may have in store for him.”
Thomas H. Huxley
Put another way, things are what they are and are not what they are not, and what we belive about the matter doesn’t matter. The acceptance of that reality is something I personally find quite calming, not anxiety producing.
I detect much tension in JGalt.
“JGalt” –
Obviously Jesus wasn’t up to the job He’d been given.
If He’d been a little better he would have addressed capitalism and gay rights and God’s will to pollute the planet and the need to vote a straight (emphasis on “straight”) Republic Party ticket.
Jesus tried to teach people a lot of things — love your neighbor, turn the other cheek, “blessed are the poor…,” — but neglected to get to the important stuff.
About the only lesson we’re left with — which the “Christ-ists” never seem to understand is:
He didn’t get hung up over Easter.
I wonder what they’re saved for.
“Put another way, things are what they are and are not what they are not, and what we belive about the matter doesn’t matter.”
Yuck.
Put another way, things are what they are and are not what they are not, and what we believe changes neither.
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Since Regular keeps posting an image of “Jesus”(sic) that goes into the next poster’s space, I guess we need to add blank lines to the top of our posts.
“cosmos_originally” –
That’s “Jesus?”
I thought it was the lead guitarist for Quicksilver Messenger Service.
add spaces yes…
so david b…………you want to protect the bomber next door and the 9-11 hijackers…………….i got your backing on the 2nd amendnent?
amendnent=amendment
“What does Jesus have to do with capitalism”
It’s the perfect marriage. Those who have can reassure themselves that they are right with God. Those who don’t can be blamed for falling short of Grace and adomonished that sin layeth at the door. The REALLY sick trick is when they convince people that suffering is some sort of gift from God. If practiced correctly, Christianity is very useful for removing from its followers any and all obligation to society or their fellow man WHILE elevating the same self centered folk to the station of divinely assigned.
The “good book” starts in early with cryptic examples of this. Consider Cain and Abel. Abel offered up his fattest lamb. Cain brought grain.
Who did more work in this equation? Cain had to clear the land and plant, tend and harvest the crop. All Abel had to do was sit on his butt and let a couple of horny sheep do what comes naturally. Inexplicably, God is impressed more with Abel’s offer. Frustrated (justifiably so) by this, Cain is admonished that it’s his own fault. He’s just supposed to suck it up and accept this injustice. The knife is even twisted a little with “then sin layeth at the door”.
WWJD?
“And lo, the rights of the flock to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
agnatha………..and?
Damn, “BlueJay” –
It really gets uncomfortable for the Fundies when someone actually reads the book.
You’re just supposed to believe in it; not read it.
agnatha…interpret for me…wwjd.
agnatha…….so what about the bombers?
That one didn’t work troll, which is a shame.
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Monkeyhawk,
The link says that it’a “jesus_01″.
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w258/Robby1957/zzzzz/nt/jesus_01.jpg
Agnatha posted March 7, 2009 at 11:24 am
WWJD?
“And lo, the rights of the flock to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
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Especially not the “good” rifles, which someone like Nathaniel can use to kill someone over a thousand yards away. . .
ag……….so no response?……….obama got your tongue?
“You’re just supposed to believe in it; not read it.” [Monkeyhawk]
But only the parts you believe in Monkey… Remember your post from yesterday???
Those OLD laws are wiped out by the NEW laws… Cause the OLD laws are, well, OLD…
Regular,
Thank you for the FSM jpg at 11:35 am. It goes well with my 11:40 am post.
“Chas” –
I think it was Steven Wright who noted the “New” Testament is pretty old.
And by this time it probably should be called the “Newer” Testament.
So religion is the topic again today?
Raise your hand if you’ve seen “Religulous”, and then we’ll talk.
For those of you who haven’t, do you have your tickets to the Holy Land Experience in Orlanda, complete with blonde Jesus?
Only seen the previews, PreD…. looks like a great flick!!
I’d love to see it..unfortunately, controversial films don’t stay very long here in Doodah.
It came out on DVD a couple of weeks ago. Much more fun to watch it that way. The deleted scenes alone are worth it.
The end will give you much to think about.
When it comes to God, I have no problem with faith. It’s religion and its followers that make me roll my eyes.
Faith can be a good thing. Most people have some kind of faith, whether in a “god” or in themselves.
It’s religions that come along and dictate faith. Religions tell people how to behave (not always in a good way) and set up laws and restrictions on how to live, although most people choose what laws and restrictions of their religious dogma they will follow.
beber said:
“Athiests who believe in spirtual journies bore me.”
Do you equote athiests with spiritualism or is it that spiritualism itself that bores you?
I’ve found that often atheism is the result of following a spiritual path, of asking questions of faith and getting no reasonable response or directly oppositional responses.
equote=equate
You can’t see that spiritual athiesim is an oxy-moron?
They’ll have to pry that sow’s ear from their cold dead hands!
“The Party of “NO!” is now looking like the Party of PorkPosted by: Red Vixen : Category: Rush Limbaugh, Stmulus Bill, greed, pork
John McCain sponsored a bill to cut all the pork out of the new budget plan. Nine Republicans are voting against the amendement. It’s no wonder. Here is the list of the top 10 porky pigs in line at the trough, according to the watch group, Taxpayers for Common Sense. 14 out of the top 20 porkers who will receive porkly earmarks are Republicans. Here’s the list of the nine Republicans that voted against McCain and for all the pork. All of them are still slated to get big porky pieces of the spending pie: Senators Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, Robert Bennett of Utah, Christopher Bond of Missouri, Thad Cochran of Mississippi, Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Richard Shelby of Alabama, Olympia Snowe of Maine and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania.
Wait a second! I thought the Republicans didn’t have time to even read the stimulus package? They were hollering, “No, No, NO!” We can’t vote on this stimulus package!
Remember all the hullaballoo? Well, I guess you don’t need to read the thing to get your porky projects inserted by a mega-lobby firm outfit called PMA Group being investigated and busted by the FBI just last November. The obvious thing to do would be to take out all the questionable PMA Group pork, as was proposed by Republican, Tom Coburn(R-Okla). But then, you’d have to guess again. Coburn met as much resistance to this idea from his own party as he did from the Democrats. From yesterday’s news:
Just over an hour ago, by a vote of 43 to 52, the Senate rejected Sen. Tom Coburn’s (R, Okla.) amendment to eliminate the PMA earmarks from the Omnibus bill. Coburn’s statement explains the details:
“Instead of draining the swamp, Congress is protecting the polluters. The Senate could have removed 13 earmarks from this bill that are associated with the PMA Group, a K Street lobbying firm under investigation by the Justice Department over whether the firm made illegal campaign contributions to members of Congress who requested earmarks. Yet, the Senate decided to defend business as usual at the earmark favor factory. The American people want change now. They shouldn’t have to wait for further investigations, search warrants and possibly prosecutions to motivate us to restore the public’s trust in Congress.”
Anyone who has seen Rush Limbaugh lately can see why the Republicans have got Rush as their perfect Mascot to go along with the “New Party” ideas. The GOP’ers just cannot get enough of Fat, Bloated, Porky Programs! Did they really think we wouldn’t notice all the useless spending they’ve inserted? When will they get a clue that taxpayers and voters are fed up?
I just found this website which appears to be functional about Nola Foulston,here is the link:
http://districtattorneynolafoulston.com/districtattorneynolafoulston.aspx
The website states:
Nola Foulston answers your questions with
Truth, Integrity and Professionalism…
You can count on District Attorney Nola Foulston
You must be kidding FOUL-ston,your office is the primary purveoyor of wrongful acts under the color of law. There are other adjectives more befitting Foulston and her band of criminals dressed as government officials:
EVIL,NEFARIOUS,REPREHENSIBLE.
Hey FOUL-ston,too bad about your home gals PILSHAW,and WARE. Maybe YOU will be next in line to be disgraced and removed from office!
If you are going to hang an innocent MAN,you had better make sure he is dead,oops too late!
beber
Posted March 7, 2009 at 1:08 pm | Permalink
You can’t see that spiritual athiesim is an oxy-moron?
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It is only an oxymoron IF you are of the opinion that one cannot be spiritual unless one believes in a god(s)…
That would make the Buddhists very upset with you… See, Buddhists have no Deity(s)
Predestined
Posted March 7, 2009 at 12:21 pm | Permalink
So religion is the topic again today?
Raise your hand if you’ve seen “Religulous”, and then we’ll talk.
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I saw it. I wasn’t impressed. Bill Maher’s bloated ego is a real turn off.
But you see they are Buddhists, not athiests.
beber — they have no god!! What more do you want from an atheist??
Jesus said . . . . Whoever acknowledges me before men I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven But whoever disowns me before men I will disown him before my Father in heaven
Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me Whoever finds his life will lose it and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it He who receives you receives me and he who receives me receives the one who sent me Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward and anyone who receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man’s reward And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is my disciple I tell you the truth he will certainly not lose his reward
They elevate themselves to that status when they are enlightened. Now then, if you consider yourself a “spritual person” because you get awestruck and gooey-eyed when you observe nature, just remember, a NASCAR dad feels the same way when he sees a souped up Chevy covered with bad logos.
(BTW: I get awestruck and gooey-eyed when I observe nature. Have you seen the ducks this year? My Gawd, how many kinds are there?)
What is your point, beber?? My point is that one doesnt have to believe in god(s) in order to be spiritual… And that idea is as old as the ancient Greek Gnostics…. And again, Buddhism has NO GOD(S)….
geez, dadman, you fighting with your family over religious issues, too?? hmmmm???
“For I have come to turn a man against his father a daughter against her mother a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household” [dadman]
Guess Jesus wasnt real big on that commandment that says: Honor your Father and Mother…
Hehe, yesterday I predicted my post would set the mentally impaired fundies in a rage. They are so predictable.
Hank whines,
“Maggotpunk is a liar and will use any ridiculous premise to bash Christians.”
It’s not my fault the study shows that you are mentally deficient. Why bother attacking the messenger. I suppose there’s no point in correcting you since that part of the brain doesn’t appear to be working.
Since it’s scientifically shown that fundies are mentally disabled should they get handicapped parking spots for their condition?
Here, in all honesty, is what I think of when I read dadman’s posts.
http://www.chick.com/default.asp
Just frickin’ nuts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Chick
Agnatha posted March 7, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Here, in all honesty, is what I think of when I read dadman’s posts.
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We’re supposed to read his posts? I just scroll past them.
Agnatha
Posted March 7, 2009 at 3:42 pm | Permalink
Here, in all honesty, is what I think of when I read dadman’s posts.
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Isn’t that where he gets his posts?
Maggotpunk posted March 7, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Since it’s scientifically shown that fundies are mentally disabled should they get handicapped parking spots for their condition?
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No. . . let them pray for a convenient parking spot.
What is amusing is that maggie’s article only spoke about folks who believe in God with no further deliniation. So that puts Chas right in the middle of it with the evangelicals and catholics, although he is over in the corner cowering.
Buck up Chas. The study was a great commercial for religion. Thanks again Maggie! Belief in God = Fewer mistakes, less stress.
Smarter and better looking too.
I finally found KFH. Sheesh. I’m trying to be thoughtful about the people experiencing bad weather but couldn’t they run the game score across the bottom the same as they do the weather when the game is being shown??
61 to 58 Texas
Actually, the reason Christian kids perform well on tests and under stress is simple. They have two extra days, Saturday and Sunday, that their parents commit to them.
Plus, there are formal lessons to be studied and questions are often asked in Sundays Schools. Most Churches have mentoring programs for youth. That is, they develop their talents, whether it be in music, study or just activities in general.
There are both male and female role models around the Church for the children to observe.
This is a far cry from the household where the families only get busy on weekends after 12 noon, only to go to malls for gratuitous spending or worse, let the kids fend for themselves while they plant themselves in front of video games or TV or worse.
Tithing teaches the children to budget. Whether they get an allowance or make money by other means, the Christian parents instruct their children how to budget their money with first giving consideration to tithing.
All of this results with the children to be attentive, mindful and deliberate under times of stress or challenging situations.
Of course, not all homes are equal and there are external and internal factors that affect emotion, learning and experiencing life in general.
Reminds me of my neighborhood where I live. Some of the most respectful young, Black people one can meet, have a grandmother, mother, father, sister, brother or someone who has taught them the lessons of the Bible and how to handle life’s challenges. These young men and women turn out thoughtful, intelligent and active participants in their community as positive role models.
True, not all are Christian – I’ve met some very nice Muslim families.
But, no one is perfect and we all fall short of the glory of God.
These concepts appear to be alien to the non-believer or the back slider as they make excuses, point fingers and accuse others as hypocrites. It is so easy to do that and the inherent evil in us makes it just that much easier.
Now that I have been verbose and left bait for the Libs, I’ll be back to prattle on about something else.
:)
The Wichita Fire Department is reminding residents to change batteries in smoke alarms on Sunday, March 8, for daylight savings time.
“Change your clocks and change your batteries,” Fire Marshal Bricknell said. “It only takes a few minutes, minutes that may save your life. Most fires start at night, when people are sleeping. With a fully functioning smoke alarm, your chances of survival will double by giving you the critical time needed to escape.”
Wichita has experienced 24 fire deaths since 2006. In half of the cases, there was no working smoke alarm. Following are tips regarding smoke alarms and fire safety:
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Install a smoke alarm on each level of your home; or each bedroom.
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Test and clean smoke alarms once a month. Dust and cobwebs can impair them.
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Replace batteries twice a year or when the alarm “chirps” which indicates a low battery.
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Never disable a smoke alarm.
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Replace smoke alarms according to the manufacture’s recommendation, usually every 10 years.
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Plan regular fire drills so everyone knows what to do in case of a fire. Hold several practices at night.
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Meet at a pre-determined location outside the home: Once outside, stay outside.
Kansas 65, Texas 63 just over 7 minutes left
ohKAY
My younger brother just called me to complain that Merril Teller keeps interrupting his basketball game with bothersome news about a tornado near Hutchison.
He was less clear on what he thought I could do about it and downright angry that I suggested the weather alerts might be a good idea. Further research shows a line of severe storms to the west.
Severe weather in early March. But there’s no global warming or anything.
Call him back and tell him to tune in KFH, 1240 AM.
PMom, you getting wet? Hope that’s all you get!
73 to 69 KU
4 minutes to go
They finally put a tiny box at the bottom showing the game! Bet they fielded a few calls!
I can practically HEAR my brother screaming at the TV.
Hmm, they giveth that box and then they tooketh it away.
IF we get any rain, it looks like it will be brief and heavy.
Here east of Tornado Alley, it’s cloudy.
And the ‘Hawks win.
COME ON OBAMA, ADMIT YOU ARE A SOCIALIST!!!
Chavez Urges Obama to Turn to Socialism
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez gleefully declared Friday that President Obama may have no choice but to turn to socialism because capitalism in America has “failed.”
Saturday, March 07, 2009
In a plea evoking Darth Vader’s attempt to turn Luke Skywalker to the dark side, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Friday urged President Obama to join the socialist movement.
“I recommend to Obama — they’re criticizing him because they say he’s moving towards socialism — come Obama, ally with us on the path to socialism, it’s the only road,” he said on Venezuelan state television, according to a Bloomberg report.
“Imagine a socialist revolution in the U.S. Nothing is impossible,” he added.
Obama’s $787 billion stimulus package and his talk of addressing income inequalities through government policies have drawn accusations that he favors a wealth redistribution plan that would replace the free markets with socialism.
But Obama has said he has no intention of eliminating capitalism; he is simply trying to fix the economic crisis with a long-term view by reforming education, energy and health care.
As for Chavez, he gleefully declared in his speech Friday that capitalism in America has failed.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/07/chavez-urges-obama-adopt-socialism/
http://www.tornadochaser.com/2000history.htm
One of my favorite weather websites. March tornadoes, even big ones are not unusual.
Well, I see checkingin here that Outie STILL cant read what was posted about the stress and anxiety factors….
And still wont admit to reading it wrong… Just as stated in MP’s quote earlier… LOL
Folks, ya just cant fix stupid….
Where is Cosmos and the rest of the chicken little goon squad to yell at BlueJay about not knowing the difference beween weather and climate????
Outie, FYI, the quote distinctly said that “religious” folk have less stress and anxiety after MAKING ERRORS…. Why do you want to run this into the territory of the absurd??? If you have a counter attack on what MP posted, show it… But, if you cant even get the gist of the quote… go back to your special corner, and put on the special hat…. LOL
“the difference beween weather and climate?”
The other day he had flowers blooming because of GW.
Just don’t confuse him with facts.
While local weather is not a good observational instrument for studying climate, the fact that we did just have the warmest February BY FAR at least merits mention as regards global warming.
BlueJay,
And all those record cold days and record snow falls this year?
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Chas
Posted March 7, 2009 at 5:27 pm | Permalink
Well, I see checkingin here that Outie STILL cant read what was posted about the stress and anxiety factors….
And still wont admit to reading it wrong… Just as stated in MP’s quote earlier… LOL
Folks, ya just cant fix stupid….
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Buck up Chas. You don’t need to be ashamed of not being able to read or of being a Christian(alleged).
Oh and I did not invite debate.
That’s over.
If Chas is a Christian then I am a black militant muslim…
Of course it is an unusual combination for a minister.
BlueJay sings….
Imagine there’s no Heaven.
It’s easy if you try.
“If Chas is a Christian then I am a black militant muslim…”
Hey Chas…
DNFTHolierThanThouT
Agnatha,
You know, ignoring other posters works better when you actually ignore them.
Constantly posting DNFTT kind of defeats the purpose.
“Oh and I did not invite debate.”
When it comes to debates he sounds like Al Gore.
BlueJay,
Why don’t you imagine that working = money and then you don’t have to sit around hoping the government takes from others to provide for you.
Sorry Nathan.
Anything from you has to be submitted in the form of a stone tablet.
Nathan said: “You know, ignoring other posters works better when you actually ignore them.
“Constantly posting DNFTT kind of defeats the purpose.”
Actually, a fair, and non-trollish, statement, and thus worthy of a response. However, I indicated my rationale a couple of days ago.
Included in my response to Sam regarding the lame Superman villain: “The best way to deal with them is to identify them by saying DNFTT and then stick to it when the troll engages in subsequent attempts to get a response from you.”
Nathan, by the way, is usually just trollish with regards to cosmos (because he really has nothing else) and Chas (who reliably responded to baits about him not being a Christian). Otherwise, while there is plenty wrong with the nonsense that he posts, Nathan is not trollish.
Advice I know probably won’t be taken: Chas, either ignore Nathan, or point out the ignorance he demonstrates of Christian history (which you should be qualified to do). Don’t respond in caps and exclamation points about how he is a liar, because the pathetic thing is, Nathan is saying what he honestly believes.
And he appears to have no idea how badly that reflects on him.
Those poor Union workers, I wonder why Obama didn’t bail out the newspapers? After all, they were on HIS side. I guess he doesn’t care.
Newspaper workers must not be on the SAVE list. Obama’s saving or creating 3.5 million or 4 million jobs.
Anybody see the February statistics for the Number of Jobs SAVED?
(If ya get a bailout, then you don’t have to take a pay cut)
MNI after hours trading is up to 68 cents, after Union workers agreed to pay cut.
Poor McClatchy, hang in there. Your stock might be worth a Buck someday.
Sacramento Bee staffers approve pay cuts
By STEVE LAWRENCE – 20 hours ago
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — Newspaper Guild members at The Sacramento Bee agreed Friday to take pay cuts of up to 6 percent to save jobs at the 152-year-old paper.
Members voted 65 percent to 35 percent to accept the deal, said Ed Fletcher, a reporter who heads the Guild’s local at the Bee.
Even with the pay cuts, Bee managers plan to cut 34 of the 268 Guild-covered positions in the editorial and advertising departments. Another 19 jobs would have been in jeopardy if the union had rejected the pay cuts.
“I think it was a very difficult decision for unit members,” Fletcher said. “On the one hand, you wanted to save the jobs for other people. But on the other hand, it’s difficult to absorb a series of pay cuts on top of a salary freeze that’s been in effect for a year already.”
He said union members were voting under a cloud of uncertainty. Even by accepting the pay cuts, there was no assurance that they would keep their jobs if the recession and the Bee’s revenue picture get worse.
Under the proposal, Guild-covered employees earning at least $50,000 a year would have their pay cut 6 percent. Employees making between $25,000 and $50,000 would lose 3 percent. Those making $25,000 or less would not face a wage cut.
http://tinyurl.com/bu9bs9
What good is a Union if your Union negotiates pay CUTS for you?
Huh. Go figure.
“We found that religious people or even people who simply believe in the existence of God show significantly less brain activity in relation to their own errors. They’re much less anxious and feel less stressed when they have made an error.”
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when they have made an error.”
Nathan: Allah Hokbar!!!
“What good is a Union if your Union negotiates pay CUTS for you?”
Better a pay cut, than a job lost!! LOL
Agnatha,
“…point out the ignorance he demonstrates of Christian history (which you should be qualified to do).” [Agnatha]
Doesnt work… he just tells me he knows how to read the bible better, and that i am stupid, and no christian…. easier to just ignore it most of the time… thanks for the reminder, though!!
“The stronger their religious zeal and the more they believed in God, the less their ACC fired in response to their own errors, and the fewer errors they made.”
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Hmmm… Fewer errors Chas.
And less stress.
You’d think a minister would welcome that…
I wonder what posters who are against federal funding for embryonic stem cell research think of the questions asked and the compromises proposed in this article? Is there a common ground in your opinion?
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/religion/post/2009/03/63782405/1
Hud posted March 7, 2009 at 5:44 pm
“Oh and I did not invite debate.”
When it comes to debates he sounds like Al Gore.
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Scientific debate is done with scientific methodology, not by talking.
You want to debate? Then refute the climate science, such as in the reports and references here,
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
Deserves reposting,
Rage posted March 6, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Why do the AGW deniers refuse to provide science that refutes the AGW theory?
Let’s see them try (hehe!) Here ya go, folks:
http://scholar.google.com
Knock yerselves out.
BOOM goes the dynamite.
BlueJay sings….
He blinded them with science.
“They’re much less anxious and feel less stressed when they have made an error.”
I know McPherson got hail, but we got only sprinkles here.
JR, March is typically the big storm month, and has been for quite awhile. My daughter is 18, and it was 19 years ago that the Hesston tornado took out half that town. Right before my birthday in March. I remember cuz I was pregnant with her and was driving to Missouri to be with my dad and dodged that tornado and many others on the way.
During the Bush administration, America was subject to what can only be called antiscientific governance. Scientists were ignored, threatened, suppressed, and censored across agencies, across areas of expertise, and across issues. Policies went forward repeatedly without adequate scientific input and sometimes in spite of it, and subsequently backfired.
At the same time — and perhaps not coincidentally — the fortunes of the nation suffered and the prospects of many Americans, of the American Dream itself, diminished.
Science doesn’t merely provide a way of expanding knowledge of the world. It doesn’t just provide answers to pressing questions; it changes the conversation itself. Science — and the broader way of thinking that comes with it — trains its adherents and practitioners to relish the very act of questioning for its own sake, of figuring out what’s true and false, of determining what works and what fails. Science can detect dark matter and dark energy; it can also build you dependable levees.
A great leader should stir citizens to aspire to the very rationality, logic, and reason on which the scientific method is based. Americans’ public health, job security, well-being, defense, and quality of life depend on an ability to do just that. So does the nation’s standing as a global power.
In the coming decades, China and India in particular are forecast to grow into major centers for innovation. China, powered by a leadership determined to achieve scientific advancement, is now second only to the US in its annual investment in research and development. India, meanwhile, is churning out 2.5 million science and engineering graduates per year.
It is abundantly evident that science can refuel economic growth, address the energy and climate challenge, and help restore America’s soft power around the world.
President Obama has vowed to restore integrity to the role of science. Science is a way of governing, not just something to be governed. Science offers a methodology and philosophy rooted in evidence, kept in check by persistent inquiry, and bounded by the constraints of a self-critical and rigorous method. Science is a lens through which we can and should visualize and solve complex problems, organize government and multilateral bodies, establish international alliances, inspire national pride, restore positive feelings about America around the globe, embolden democracy, and ultimately, lead the world.
seedmagazine.com
There is evidence of a party swept up in its own revolutionary fervor — caught up in the self-flattering belief that history has called upon it to solve all problems at once.
Be very afraid. Be very very afraid. Obama actually believes he is the One.
PMom,
Did I tell you that Steven Davis has a birthday the day after yours?
Stop with the magical religiosity. There is no “One.”
Many of us, Mr Obama included, perhaps, think the world is at a tipping point between the old ways and the future…
A huge global recession is on.. can you grasp that?
There are turning points in history. Perhaps we are at one now…
“A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.”
“Doesnt work… he just tells me he knows how to read the bible better, and that i am stupid, and no christian…. easier to just ignore it most of the time… thanks for the reminder, though!!”
You are not going to change his mind. You either respond by making your case (bearing in mind others are reading, or you don’t bother, particularly when you know you are being trolled).
Should be:
“You either respond by making your case (bearing in mind others are reading) or you don’t bother, particularly when you know you are being trolled.
I’ll play Linda. I’m against embryonic stem cell research. Federal funding or not.
Even though your link is based on ’straw men’ arguments and false premises I’ll answer some of the questions.
“Would you refuse — for your parent, your child or yourself — a treatment for a terrible ailment because it was developed with embryonic stem cell research?”
Honest answer? No, of course not. Now, tell me what ‘terrible ailment’ has been cured by embryonic stem cell research? And how does that compare with ailments that have had success with non-embryonic stem cell research?
“Would you want your doctor to keep you in the dark about such a treatment because he or she is morally opposed to it?”
Interesting question. How would a doctor keep me in the dark about a treatment he was morally opposed to? This question is based on the false premise that this could or has happened.
Let me ask you a couple of questions now.
Bush compromised and allowed federal funds to be used for 22 embryonic stem cell lines but there are no restrictions for the use of private funds for the other established stem cell lines.
Why should my tax dollars be used for research that has not proven to be effective and why should it be used for research I think is morally wrong?
“A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.”
That’s right. Use the crisis, or make it worse, in order to get the masses to accept change.
Hitler had the Reichstag fire.
If Republicans ever listen to this level-headed member of their own party, they will roar back into being a robust and valid political party.
“Why Rush is Wrong
The party of Buckley and Reagan is now bereft and dominated by the politics of Limbaugh. A conservative’s lament.”
http://www.newsweek.com/id/188279/page/1
So programs are piled on top of each other and we wind up with a gargantuan $3.6 trillion budget. We end up with deficits that, when considered realistically, are $1 trillion a year and stretch as far as the eye can see.
The nation cannot withstand this onslaught of perverted spending. There are insufficient funds in everyones pockets to pay the Obama bills.
“If Republicans ever listen to this level-headed member ”
Sorry it isn’t republicans annoiting Rush. It’s the democrats themselves. They are fixated on Rush. In fact it appears you are all focused more on the republican party – than the trillion dollars Obama is spending or the recession.
The point in the article:
“Both [obama]wish to see Rush anointed as the leader of the Republican party.”
US economy: Obama – “Did I do that?”
http://activitypit.ning.com/photo/photo/show?id=1981927%3APhoto%3A763039
Thank you for answering, Hank. I don’t expect to change anyone’s opinion. I have spoken with people who understand the numbers of excess embryos incinerated daily at fertility clinics. I found that story and wondered if there was a common ground. Two times a bill was passed by our legislatures and both times those bills were vetoed by bush. The restrictions were because of one man who no longer has any say.
One person who contributed to the article I linked said he could find a middle ground if:
“Embryos for research should only be excess embryos from fertility clinics, embryos which were going to be destroyed anyway. It should be forbidden to buy, cell or create embryos expressly for research. Researchers should show that their work could not be done with any other form of stem cell — yet. But their goal should be to move toward using only non-embryonic stem cells, Reese suggests.”
The questions posed in the article weren’t mine. I feel no obligation to address those. Since you have your mind made up, why would I even want to?
Embryonic stem cells weren’t even discovered until 1998. Adult stem cells — those which have already been programmed to be a specific tissue — have been studied since the 1940s.
It is worth celebrating that after sixty years there are treatments for blood disorders from adult blood stem cells!
Hank asks, “Why should my tax dollars be used for research that has not proven to be effective and why should it be used for research I think is morally wrong?”
The best answer I can give is that the majority decides in our country. President Obama will sign an executive order reversing the limitations on federal funding for embryonic funding and the legislature will move forward with enacting legislation making a new law that follows that executive order. The new law won’t be as easily overturned by a future president as just an executive order might have been. We’ll have expediency with the executive order and a new law.
The research won’t be restricted, forced to have dedicated equipment to avoid commingling private donations with government grants. Scientists will be able to use the same microscope for federally approved research and for analyzing newly derived stem cell lines, they won’t need to wonder if someone will charge them with breaking a law when they use their university e-mail accounts to discuss their research.
The cures and treatments will be available to all who suffer, whether they approve or not. Integrity will be returned to science and scientific thought.
“That’s right. Use the crisis, or make it worse, in order to get the masses to accept change.
Hitler had the Reichstag fire.”
bush had 911. SOME scholars now tell us that from 2001 to 2008, the United States of America was effectively a dictatorship.
Rush Limbaugh said that liberals were invested in American failure in Iraq.
I would argue that he and the main body of Republicans are invested in the failure of America. They have the money to pick up the pieces and make it even WORSE than it has been these last many years.
But if America succeeds? The Republican party is finished. Probably for good.
“Sorry it isn’t republicans annoiting Rush.” — American_Way
The article I linked explained fully who was listening to rush, and what the implications are. I’m extremely pleased few will read it and fewer will heed the excellent advice.
“That’s right. Use the crisis, or make it worse, in order to get the masses to accept change.
Hitler had the Reichstag fire.”
bush had 911. SOME scholars argue he used it assume all the powers of a dictator.
I will tell you why it is that Republicans are invested in the failure of America.
It is because they have the money to pick up the pieces and make it worse, oh FAR worse than the miserable place it has been these last many years.
But they know that if America DOESN’T fail? They and all of their ideals are likely extinct.
There ARE reasonable people among the cons. But there are also a large body of folk who we should treat as dangerous enemies to our and our children’s future.
I’ll read the main body of your article later linda.
It mentions a rant by loon Mark Levin. I HEARD that rant live as he vomited it.
At the very first ever WE Blog meetup, I told the two conservative attendees that “We all want what is best for America.”
I was wrong. There are a large number of cons who may wave the flag well. They may even have a few redeeming qualities. But at their core, they are very narrow, cruel and self motivated folk who care nothing for country or countryman.
” the miserable place it has been these last many years.”
That is not how I would characterize America at any time in my life. I also don’t believe most people feel this way about their personal lives.
It’s a pretty long article but Mark Levin makes a great deal of sense in his advice. I hope no one pays any attention to him!
I do agree that the Republicans worst nightmare is that President Obama will be successful. They have posed no ideas, no alternatives — they’ve only obstructed. Their only hope is that one day they will be able to say, “We told you so.”
bush had 911. SOME scholars argue he used it assume all the powers of a dictator.
And let’s not forget the anthrax attacks on administration’s most likely political opponents, which just happened to originate from the same facility that did the investigation.
Not to get all Pleefer on ya, but that continues to smell.
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/nj12_holt/030309.html
“There are a large number of cons who may wave the flag well. They may even have a few redeeming qualities. But at their core, they are very narrow, cruel and self motivated folk who care nothing for country or countryman.”—BlowJ
Don’t project your own feelings and motivations onto other people BlowJ.
You’ve never been correct about anything else…you certainly aren’t with that either. But it is quite revealing as to where you are coming from, and where your moronic mind is.
Bluejay you are funny!
Obama runs the nation into the ground, spending trillions, nationalizing banks, taking over all busines is the country, and the stock market still crashing.
And you are bitter toward Republicans – and attempt to blame them for WANTING it to happen?
Think about what you are posting.
The ship is sinking and instead of bailing water or discussing how to save it – you point to the passengers.
As if someone WANTING it to happen, removes any responsibility from the party making it happen.
“They have posed no ideas, no alternatives — they’ve only obstructed. “—lindainks55
Oh, you mean like the Dims did for years.
SEE?
I hit a nerve. Reaction from reactionaries.
Bawks your rhetoric posted here before defines you.
And seconds ago, on another thread, I made “American(Hank) way” a hypocrite.
“The ship is sinking and instead of bailing water or discussing how to save it – you point to the passengers.”—American_Way
What else have we come to expect from the big BlowJ…NOTHING! He ALWAYS blames someone else, never himself with anything.
BlowJ, don’t pat yourself on the back so much, you have not hit a nerve.
I am simply reminding you that you are a complete dolt.
“The ship is sinking”
No, the stock market is sinking. And that does bring with it attendant ills.
They are ALL traceable to con policies of the last 25 years.
“I am simply reminding you that you are a complete dolt.”
I don’t HAVE to call you names. You defame yourself well enough.
MORE! MORE!
And you are bitter toward Republicans – and attempt to blame them for WANTING it to happen?
There is no question that Bush’s PNAC pals were praying for an event like that–they said so in print, and promptly abused their authority when the opportunity arose.
Well, thanks for revealing how much you approved of Bush’s fascist post-9-11 power grab.
Incidently, you might have noticed I have repeatedly criticized the Obama’s adminstration’s indefensible adoption of Bush-era legal positions in the area of detention, civil suits, and disclosure. I will be addressing those again, with the latest headlines, on Monday (for a larger “audience”).
Now, your turn: Didn’t the Bush administration embrace an absolute lawless, monarchistic concept of government? (and by the way, whatever you might think of the stimulus bill, it’s the not the same thing at all).
“They are ALL traceable to con policies of the last 25 years.”–BlowJ
See, nothing there of any cognitive intelligence, simply a moronic dolt.
Really no emotional/maturity intelligence that I can detect either.
“You’ve never been correct about anything else”
No?
I was correct when I said that the “McCain supporter MUTILATED by Obama supporter!” story was a hoax.
You brought that story here.
And your examples of where I have been wrong? Let alone dangerously inflammatory, as you have been?
I don’t have to call you names BlowJ, but they are accurate.
“They are ALL traceable to con policies of the last 25 years.”–BlowJ
See, nothing there of any cognitive intelligence, simply a moronic dolt.
Really no emotional/maturity intelligence that I can detect either.
Uhm,no. Actually, it’s the response of someone who coherently remembers the Reagan years, and see the similarities in policies and results.
Calling Barack Obama’s plan socialistic lacks any class
“…market deregulation – the never-ending transfer of wealth to the already obscenely wealthy that went on for the last eight years – was not an act of class warfare. The fact that, adjusting for inflation, the average American earned 16% less in 2004 than in the 1970s, was not class warfare. Even the destruction of the country’s economy by their own unbridled greed was not class warfare on the poor and middle class.
But President Obama’s budget, which attempts to reverse some of the “toxic” economic trends he inherited from the same critics with a modest proposal for a fairer tax code and a more equitable distribution of wealth – well, that’s different, that’s dangerous, that is a declaration of class war, they say.
You have to admire these people’s gall.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/03/07/2009-03-07_calling_barack_obamas_plan_socialistic_l.html
“Barack Obama’s plan socialistic”
Who cares about class? Call a spade a spade.
United Socialist States of America is Obama’s true goal.
“Really no emotional/maturity intelligence that I can detect either.”
Careful bawks. You are flirting with exposing your own, well known deficit in same.
Like when you wished that another poster had had his brains bashed in as an infant?
United Socialist States of America is Obama’s true goal.
LOL!
“Call a spade a spade.”
Interesting choice of terms. No doubt from a limited vocabulary and well worn prejudice.
Bigot.
BlowJ, you continue to show you are weak, and I mean extremely weak.
That story was first posted on the local news where it happened and then on several national news outlets with nothing said initially about it being false. Yes I brought it here and from the information I had been given there was nothing wrong with bringing it here.
But again, after you prove yourself to be a childish hothead, who issues challenges to meet in parking lots to settle disagreements, and being thoroughly punked like I did to you, one would think you would learn. But no, that’s not the case…like I said, a dolt. And, with nothing more significant that you can claim credit for. Pretty pathetic.
“BlowJ, you continue to show you are weak, and I mean extremely weak.”
Then why do I here again, as usual, have you on the run TRYING to defend yourself?
ahh yes, trot out the good old red-baiting.. wear it out until it means nothing at all.. please, please keep it up…
When dueling bawks, I frequently have to stop myself short of taunting….
Why ya hittin’ yourself?
Hello old friends, if any are still here.
It’s me, it’s me…..
It’s TracyP
“That story was first posted on the local news where it happened and then on several national news outlets”
Let’s remind our readers.
This refers to the story about how a young, white, female supporter of John McCain was attacked and mutilated by a black, male supporter of Barack Obama. Within 24 hours, the story was proved a hoax. The only “national news outlets” that bawks could have heard it from were the Drudge report and the Sean Hannity show. I don’t know if Drudge ever apologized. Hannity didn’t. Bawks DID, but continues to …get this…blame everyone but himself.
Hi Linda.
I’m bored obviously.
Hey, Trace—welcome back to the zoo!
I was gonna do something else ’til I saw your post.
You been lurking much?
Has anybody here read Hunter S Thompson’s
“Confessions of a Political Junkie”?
Just wonder if it’s worth the time.
Rage, I was RP Mcmurphy for a while.
Since then, I got “economy-ized” at work.
That is, terminated due to no work coming in.
I have not been lurking any for some time.
“Then why do I here again, as usual, have you on the run TRYING to defend yourself?”—BlowJ
I’m not on the run, I am participating in sport, and beating you up and down the field at it again. You lie BlowJ, face it, you are a liar plan and simple. And I simply set the record straight. You call that defending or beating myself, but see..you lie about that too. You grasp at straws and try and make something out of them.
Frankly you are not much sport anymore, and actually someone to pity. You are a loser BlowJ, you will be a loser tomorrow, and next week and next year and probably the rest of your insignificant life. Why, because you choose it to be that way, but want to blame it on everyone else, especially those that have made something of themselves. As a fellow human being I once thought it might help to point out to you exactly what you are, but you seem incapable of learning anything or wanting to.
Your comment about your cat playing with the mouse and killing it. BlowJ, you are the mouse, and though I don’t wish you harm, you are becoming boring, in fact rancid. I really have little interest in you anymore.
BlueJay sings…
Oops I did it again.
Hey Tracy… Welcome Back!!
Rage, I was RP Mcmurphy for a while.
I suspected as much. Why didn’t you email me, homeboy, when I asked you. ;-)
That is, terminated due to no work coming in.
I have not been lurking any for some time.
Scary, sucky, times man. People are doing whatever they have to do to get by.
good night; good luck; god bless —
whatever you conceive god to be!!
blessings all!!
blessings on “Spring Forward”
so mote it be!!
I see the usual sworn enemies still meet here at the weblog…..
BlueJay sings…
Oops HE did it again.
“Your comment about your cat playing with the mouse and killing it.”
HUH? Link it or eat it.
I see the usual sworn enemies still meet here at the weblog…..
Heh, pretty much. We still have the cringe-inducing soap-opera blow-ups, too. I usually just try to stay out of the way.
Just when I’m thinking “the hell with it!” we have a really, good, intelligent, amusing thread. What can I say!
Rage, please send email address to linda, have her forward. If u have old addy it is still good.
When I swore of this crap ages ago, I eventually cleaned out my addy’s from weblog.
I think linda and VT are the only ones I have left.
What the hell, even KFG quit responding to my emails..I figgered it was all just part of my past.
Rage, please send email address to linda, have her forward. If u have old addy it is still good.
When I swore of this crap ages ago, I eventually cleaned out my addy’s from weblog.
I think linda and VT are the only ones I have left.
What the hell, even KFG quit responding to my emails..I figgered it was all just part of my past.
Crapping laptop here at home.
SUCKS!
“I don’t know if Drudge ever apologized. Hannity didn’t. Bawks DID, but continues to …get this…blame everyone but himself.”–BlowJ
Again, an example of BlowJ’s insignificance. That’s all he’s got to run with.
He admits I apologized for bringing a story to the blog within minutes or hours of when it first broke and that was on as he says for close to 24 hrs before being retracted and that he makes a big deal out of.
Hey little man…is that all you’ve got, no wonder you are becoming so boring. Grow up a little if you want to play here.
Off to bed and read, this is a waste of time with BlowJ here.
Rage, please send email address to linda, have her forward. If u have old addy it is still good.
Still got it, man–both of them (I assume the one no longer works :( ).
the “other” one. . .
damnit im gettin moderated just trying to answer.
the yahoo.com addy is good………
“He admits I apologized for bringing a story to the blog within minutes or hours of when it first broke and that was on as he says for close to 24 hrs before being retracted and that he makes a big deal out of.”
You called me a liar and wrong. I PROVED you the same.
Substantiation for your charge is still absent.
whats the word with BL20?
a dittohead or sumpin?
Trace–check your email (it’s only a test email).
And with that. . .I’m outta here!!
a dittohead or sumpin?
Uhm .. . yeah. Full on.
And with that, I’m really gone.
awright rage
g’night
Another Bushie caught:
Mr. Stadd, who joined the National Aeronautics and Space Administration as chief of staff in 2001 and left the agency in 2003, served as President-elect George W. Bush’s NASA transition chief in 2000.
A former top NASA official has been indicted on charges of steering $9.6 million in agency money to a consulting client.
The United States attorney’s office announced a three-count indictment on Friday against the former official, Courtney Stadd of Bethesda, Md., who had served as NASA’s chief of staff and White House liaison.
The indictment accuses Mr. Stadd of steering money from an earth science appropriation to Mississippi State University, which was paying him as a consultant. Mr. Stadd is also accused of lying to NASA ethics officials investigating the matter. He faces up to 15 years in prison if convicted on all three charges.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/washington/08nasa.html
“You called me a liar and wrong. I PROVED you the same.”—BlowJ
You proved nothing moron, I brought a published story here, I didn’t write it, I didn’t lie like you do. There was no intent to deceive. Do you not know what a lie is, I wouldn’t be surprised as it seems so natural for you. To lie is to deceive by intent, that’s what you do BlowJ
You are a little person if that’s all you’ve got.
the bushies have nearly brought the whole world down.
i cant think of any worth sparing…….can u?
What he wants some more?
“I brought a published story here,”
From Drudge? Thanks for helping to discredit him and yourself.
“I didn’t lie like you do.”
Now you SAY this again and again. But you offer no proof.
“To lie is to deceive by intent, that’s what you do BlowJ”
AND you doubled down with no proof.
“You are a little person if that’s all you’ve got.”
That’s SOME of what I’ve got.
And you?
You’d do better to run away from me bawks.
Like you said you were going to?
I’m pleased to see that you won’t because you can’t. You are forever on the defensive because that is the person you are.
no mercy for dittoheads
stewpud peeples shoodent breed
Here is what I’ll let you do bawks.
You can shoot at me the rest of the night and I won’t fire back.
Dig deep. See what you’ve got. See even what you can make up.
I’ll get back to you.
Tarkus, nice to see you again :)
Nice to hear yer gonna talk to me.
I was surprised u sent me an email awhile back.
Had some time to read lately
Been checking out “socialist democracy”.
Pmom, I kept my yap shut all this time, trying to stay outta the crap.
Now that the richest in the country are trying to stop Obama from helping, I’m jusst mad as hell.
Good luck pmom, we gotta stick together.
From the Washington Monthly –
Obama is not proposing to raise the personal income tax. He is proposing to allow the Bush tax cuts on families making over $250,000 a year to expire. The Republicans wrote that expiration into law to conceal to hide the costs of their tax cuts. Under the law they wrote, the top marginal tax rate will go up from 35% to 39.6% in 2011.
If a top marginal tax rate of 39.6% is socialism, then there are a lot of socialists in the world. For instance, Japan, South Korea, Australia, along with a lot of the OECD: all have rates higher than Obama is proposing. (Note: I just chose some countries at random. I’m sure I could have found more.) No wonder the world economy is in trouble! There’s socialism and class warfare everywhere you look!
But it’s even stranger than that. Did you know that Margaret Thatcher (pdf) declared war on the wealthy, a war so extreme it makes Obama’s seem meek by comparison? The top tax rate in the UK was 60% for most of her term in office, and 40% for the last year or so. At no point was it lower than what Obama proposes — and that’s without taking into account the VAT.
Likewise, Ronald Reagan was apparently a Class Warrior: for six of the eight years during which Reagan was President, the top tax bracket was 50%. It’s a wonder anyone worked at all! In Reagan’s defense, though, he was just carrying on a long tradition of wealth expropriation carried out by socialists like Harry Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower and John F. Kennedy.
“You are forever on the defensive because that is the person you are.”—BlowJ*b
And you are the person you are, crawl back under your rock, slug. Like I said you are a little person, and your own worst punishment just being the low character you are.
Hey, I’m still waiting for you to “make me famous” by outing me as you promised to. Remember, name, email, address, etc., you said it BlowJ*b.
Uh…BlowJ, I haven’t seen anything, as usual another of your totally empty childish challenges.
Yikes, even sleep can’t soothe the savage Bawks. What do you drink in the MORNING, bile? You signed off careening around the deck and get up the same way.
“. Remember, name, email, address, etc., you said it BlowJ*b.”
I never said anything remotely like that.
I said I’d make you famous. And every time I send you bouncing off the walls, you help me show our readers ever more about you. I’m not gonna run a poll. But my guess is that unless Paulie comes back, your position as most discredited, irrational, cruel natured perfect illustrations of the depths of the con mind is secure for the foreseeable future.
AND growing!
Now. What fresh humiliation can I bring you today?
You most certainly did said you were going to out my personal info., there you go lying again.
Do you ever tire of lying? Must not.
I love the sport of figuratively poking a stick at you BlowJ*b because you dance and jump all over the blog.
I’ve never had anyone so enthralled with coming after me before.
Really now, I’m not all that unusual, you must lead a terribly boring miserable life. Ha.
“Obama is not proposing to raise the personal income tax. He is proposing to allow the Bush tax cuts on families making over $250,000 a year to expire.”
Monkeyhawk you KNOW that is bull$hit.
If someone is paying less taxes now, but will pay more because the president and congress do NOT act – will pay MORE tax dollars in 2010.
That IS a tax increase.
This is a perfect example of liberal thinking and twisting of the truth.
The whole purpose of letting the Bush tax cuts expire (but just on the rich, no one credits him for cutting taxes on the poor and middle class – but he did),
is to raise more revenue. You do that by increasing the taxes of taxpayers.
In this case, Obama is increasing revenue by collecting MORE tax revenue from those making over 200K.
A tax increase.