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What is the status of the taj ma airport? Has the City decided to stop this project in the middle of a Bush depression? We could use the money for real needs.
What was up (or should I say down)last night on the Weblog? Anyone hear?
From Lisa DePaulo’s interview with Michael Steele, asking him to explain his pro-life views …
DePaulo: Are you saying you think women have the right to choose abortion?
Steele: Yeah. I mean, again, I think that’s an individual choice.
Will Steele beat the Roberts record for shortest RNC Chairmanship ever?
Matt Cooper discovered that the current record holder appears to be Sen. Pat Roberts’ (R-KS) dad, C. Wesley Roberts, who was chairman for four months in 1953 before a reporter discovered he’d collected a $10,000 commission on the sale of a hospital the state of Kansas owned.
“By CHRISTINA CARREGA
Meghan McCain stands with her mother, Cindy.
Meghan McCain stands with her mother, Cindy.
Last updated: 9:19 am
March 10, 2009
Posted: 2:14 am
March 10, 2009
Looking like a maverick-off-the-old-block, Meghan McCain yesterday laid into conservative lightning rod Ann Coulter, calling her “offensive, radical, insulting, and confusing.”
Writing in her regular column for thedailybeast.com, McCain, daughter of Republican Sen. John McCain, complained that Coulter is among “certain” GOP women who “continue to perpetuate negative stereotypes about Republicans.
“I straight up don’t understand this woman or her popularity,” McCain wrote.
“I find her offensive, radical, insulting and confusing all at the same time.”
Coulter, at Radio City Music Hall last night for a debate with TV host and pundit Bill Maher, blew off the criticism.
“Surprisingly, I’m not upset,” she deadpanned.
Maher, asked if he agreed that Coulter was just as McCain described, quipped: “Yes, to all four.”
In her column, McCain said it was Coulter’s “demeanor” that she found most troubling.
“Everything about her is extreme: her voice, her interview tactics and, especially, the public statements she makes about liberals,” she wrote. “Maybe her popularity stems from the fact that watching her is sometimes like watching a train wreck.”
Meghan McCain was among the sold-out, 6,000-seat Radio City crowd.
“I’m here!” she shouted when the debate mediator asked where she was sitting. It was front-row center, but she didn’t participate in the debate onstage.
On the other hand, people in the crowd left no doubt about their distaste for Coulter.
Her 15-minute introduction was peppered with “boos” and “shut-up”s from one male spectator who was tossed out.
On your mark, let’s start the Family FEUD!
Why do libturds hate free speech?
Stumbled on old news on Global Warming. Cannot be correct. It comes from National Geographic Magazine, and they support GW. But this article indicates warming is a local event.
“There’s a tendency for people to take this temperature increase and draw quick conclusions, which is a mistake,” said Douglas R. Hardy, a climatologist at the University of Massachusetts in Amherst, who monitored Kilimanjaro’s glaciers from mountaintop weather stations since 2000. “The real explanations are much more complex. Global warming plays a part, but a variety of factors are really involved.”
According to Hardy, forest reduction in the areas surrounding Kilimanjaro, and not global warming, might be the strongest human influence on glacial recession. “Clearing for agriculture and forest fires—often caused by honey collectors trying to smoke bees out of their hives—have greatly reduced the surrounding forests,” he says. The loss of foliage causes less moisture to be pumped into the atmosphere, leading to reduced cloud cover and precipitation and increased solar radiation and glacial evaporation.”
http://www.stimuluswatch.org/
Plenty of ammo for everyone.
H.R. 1207:
111th Congress
Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2009
To amend title 31, United States Code, to reform the manner in which the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System is audited by the Comptroller General of the United States and the manner in which such audits are reported, and for other purposes.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1207
“Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2009″
Sounds like a good idea….
The truth the cons condemn. This is what they’d never allow in a newspaper if they ruled the world.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29651005/
The Obama democrats better start throwing some more money at the economic crisis:
“WASHINGTON (Market Watch) – The U.S. federal government budget widened to $192.8 billion in February as tax receipts fell to the lowest level in 14 years, the Treasury Department reported Wednesday. It’s the second largest monthly deficit on record, exceeded only by $237.2 billion gap in October. For the first five months of the fiscal year, the deficit has increased by a half trillion dollars to a record $764.5 billion. Out lays were flat compared with a year earlier at $280.1 billion, while receipts dropped 17% to $87.3 billion, the lowest since February 1995. In February, individual income taxes fell 64% to just $8.7 billion. That’s the lowest monthly total for individual income taxes since May 1985.”
Throw in a few earmarks for republicans and it will pass.
More news the con’s won’t like
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29643700/
Corporations head to low-tax Switzerland; Escape Obama’s tax-seeking administration…
http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssEnergyNews/idUSL312427120090312?feedType=RSS&feedName=rbssEnergyNews&rpc=22
Is anybody really surprised. Confiscatory, punitive tax systems drive successful companies away and bury those not willing to do what is necessary to survive.
I’m beginning to wonder if there is an unstated agenda about this global warming thing, but moreso as to it’s effects….on somebody’s bottom line. The University of Manitoba conducted an investigation and series of observations about these new “green” bulbs. Given a 40W bulb consumes the same energy regrdless of the make, the “green” bulbs produce less heat. So much so that people in northern climes who have done the “green” thing by installing these new bulbs find themselves turning up the thermostat a wee bit compensate. This just increases the carbon footprint by reason of more generation. Nobody has figured out a safe way to get rid of them when used up, for they contain mercury, and should you break one you must use rubber gloves, wear a mask, avoid inhaling around the breakage area for a few minutes, rinse and clean the brush and pan and throw out the gloves and mask. But now they are worried about the debris being sent into the sewer system. It is also recommended you not be exposed to the bulbs for any length of time plus the light quality is not very good. Those who have switched are to some degree switiching back, only using the “green” bulbs but outside for the patio, porch or pool…and my local hardware store thinks it’s all a cash grab by the manufacturers ’cause the “green” bulbs are much more expensive. David Suzuki who is an ecotype guy and a spokesperson for the bulb doesn’t use them in his own home apparently. Something must be done to bring us all more in line with what the earth needs, we must stop the wholesale ruination of the planet, but in this case maybe someone has just come up with a great was to make a fast buck. Manufactrers of the “green” product claim it meets industry standards, but guess who sets the standards
The USA a paper tiger. Obama and team will make it so.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03122009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/china_tests___and_team_bam_blinks_159154.htm
“Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2009?
Signing legislation in private and scrubbing your name from an earmark after you claim earmarks have got to stop.
I bet Obama won’t sign that in private. “Do as I say not as I do”.
Don’t worry about it sumrum. The florescent bulbs are obsolete, soon to be replace by LEDs, which are even more efficient. BTW, we’ve had billions of florescent fixtures for years. Why are they now so suddenly dangerous? Methinks you are piling on a bit; as for the quality of light, horsepucky. Florescent bulbs can be made to radiate any wave length or any combination of wave lengths.
“Please refer to our state disposal policies page. In most states, fluorescent and compact fluorescent light bulbs used at home can be disposed of in the same way as regular light bulbs. While all fluorescent bulbs contain a trace amount of mercury, the quantity is so minute that disposal is not regulated by federal standards (established by the EPA, the Environmental Protection Agency). You would have to dispose of an incredibly large amount of fluorescent bulbs — around 360 4-foot fluorescent tubes — before you would be subject to federal disposal standards. However, individual states and provinces also have established disposal standards, so you should check the disposal policies in your area.” – General Electric.
It would be entirely logical to add the standard insult at this point, but you can’t hurt something that would rather consume propaganda than enjoy the light.
sursum, but but but but, GE owner of liberal news MSNBC and maker of wind turbins make those light bulbs. How dare you, “denier”. They belong to the church of AGW.
cosMo, sic um!!!!!!
“scrubbing your name from an earmark”
donndublin, Obama was ashamed.
I’ll bet he went through a BIG darn eraser!
Obama, “Hand me another #2 pencil Michelle, I’ve used this one up.”
O’Bama stimulating the economy…just not ours.
ZUG, Switzerland, March 12 (Reuters) – The tidy towns and mountain vistas of Switzerland are an unlikely setting for an oil boom.
Yet a wave of energy companies has in the last few months announced plans to move to Switzerland — mainly for its appeal as a low-tax corporate domicile that looks relatively likely to stay out of reach of Barack Obama’s tax-seeking administration.
Stephen Colbert takes on John Galt and Howard Fineman.
http://www.colbertnation.com/home
It’s funny ‘cuz it’s true.
Stephen Colbert, Leader of the Democrat Party.
“It would be entirely logical to add the standard insult at this point, but you can’t hurt something that would rather consume propaganda than enjoy the light.”
Watch much MSNBC propaganda do you blaber?
Another warm and fuzzy from O’Bama – He promises that your energy bill costs will rise, along with carbon caps that will oppress business growth, while stifling capital growth or the willingness for private ventures to invest for the future.
thanks man – can we get the bu.t.t. end of the whip now?
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Monkeyhawk
Posted March 12, 2009 at 8:46 am | Permalink
Stephen Colbert takes on John Galt and Howard Fineman.
http://www.colbertnation.com/home
It’s funny ‘cuz it’s true.
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So was the one about Obama’s earmarks.
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Regular
Posted March 12, 2009 at 8:54 am | Permalink
Another warm and fuzzy from O’Bama – He promises that your energy bill costs will rise, along with carbon caps that will oppress business growth, while stifling capital growth or the willingness for private ventures to invest for the future.
thanks man – can we get the bu.t.t. end of the whip now?
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Yeah Reg, that’s why we need more stimulus bills and earmarks.
that will oppress business growth, while stifling capital growth
You dirty rotten filthy stinking liar. It will NOT!!!!
It will simply move to Switzerland ;~>
donndublin posted March 12, 2009 at 8:43 am
cosMo, sic um!!!!!!
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donndublin,
I don’t need to do anything. . . but you need to refute AGW science.
You better hurry, you’re running out of time!
I guess it’s getting pretty bad across the country. People are begging Obama for help:
http://stickerpatch.blogspot.com/2009/02/obama-at-dobson-high.html
cosMo, Since mother nature is doing such a good job, I’ll let her do it for me.
SO…. it looks like the AGW crowd is the one running out of time.
According to BJ’s logic, since it’s the third day in a row of below normal temps, it must be global cooling.
donndublin,
Thank you for again proving that you, a “Professional Engineer”, do not understand climate science.
More trouble on the horizon from the terrorists, will we be prepared to answer?
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/Dawn%20Content%20Library/dawn/news/world/taliban-operate-freely-from-quetta-us–za
cosMo, Thank you again for proving you are not a scientist and know about as much as kindergartner.
I’ll let my fellow real science and engineering practitioners on this blog like Reg, Anti, Sol, ect. show how gullible you and the other poli-science, journalists and blowhards.
You, BJ and chas make pretty poor consensus.
FBI raids office of D.C. CTO, Obama appointee
Federal agents this morning are searching the office Washington, D.C.’s Chief Technology Officer.
The search is part of “an ongoing investigation,” said a spokeswoman for the FBI’s D.C. Field Office, Lindsay Gotwin, said. She declined to comment further on the raid of office, at 1 Judiciary Square.
The outgoing Chief Technology Officer, Vivek Kundra, was appointed last week Chief Information Officer by the Obama administration. His last day at the city government office was February 4, a spokeswoman for D.C. Mayor Adrian Fenty, Leslie Kershaw, said. He was appointed to the Washington post in 2007.
“We know the FBI is over there but that’s all we know,” said a staffer in the D.C. CTO’s office, Mario Field, who was working from a separate location. Another source familiar with the raid said the FBI had sent all staffers other than senior executives home for the day.
A White House spokesman had no immediate comment.
D.C. mayor’s spokeswoman Kershaw said, “Our office has been alerted of FBI’s being at CTO office, but we cannot comment until it’s over and we get more details.”
Obama’s choice for top security posts withdraws candidature
Our President sure can pick em’.
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ANTI
Posted March 12, 2009 at 10:11 am | Permalink
Obama’s choice for top security posts withdraws candidature
Our President sure can pick em’.
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O’Bama uses the Chicago Political Book of Style and Graft Personnel Selection Services
Although a majority of Americans believe the seriousness of global warming is either correctly portrayed in the news or underestimated, a record-high 41% now say it is exaggerated. This represents the highest level of public skepticism about mainstream reporting on global warming seen in more than a decade of Gallup polling on the subject.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116590/Increased-Number-Think-Global-Warming-Exaggerated.aspx
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Who’s in a hurry Mo?
“Obama’s choice for top security posts withdraws candidature
Our President sure can pick em’.”
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I’ve done a lot of reading on this for the last couple of days. This article sums up pretty well all the info I’ve found.
“Charles “Chas” Freeman, Obama’s pick to head the National Intelligence Council, has withdrawn from contention for the job. The Daily Beast’s Max Blumenthal reported that the leader of the campaign against Freeman was Steven Rosen, a former director of AIPAC awaiting trial on espionage charges, who has a long history of attacking and undermining anybody he deems hostile to Israel.”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-03-10/obamarsquos-mideast-policy-smackdown/full/
The government can’t handout that FREE MONEY fast enough.
OMB directs agencies to review grants management systems immediately:
“The Office of Management and Budget is directing federal agencies to immediately review and upgrade computer systems related to grants management to prepare for the expected spike in applications from the stimulus.
“Recovery.gov funds must not be stuck in a bottleneck because of inadequate systems or overwhelmed network servers,” OMB Director Peter Orszag said in a statement on Wednesday. The government expects a 60 percent increase in grant application volume between April and August as agencies begin to disburse the $787 billion in stimulus funds.” Nextgov.com
“A leading US senator warned on Wednesday that deferring potentially costly actions to combat climate change because of the global economic slump amounted to “a mutual suicide pact.”
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.5ce05834a0919b70bceb002f810b5e70.fb1&show_article=1
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Another scientist(sarc) who’s in a hurry to get his “carbon credits”.
LOL!
donndublin definitely does NOT understand scientific methodology.
It’s better for the cabinet selectees to drop out before confirmation because if they got in it’d be hell and $$ to get them out.
donndublin definitely does NOT understand scientific methodology.
Apparently neither does hansen. Isn’t quality control pretty important? Guess not for hansen….
But do keep swallowing cosmos.
Praise be.
Maduff taken to jail pled guilty to all charges and bond is revoked, I did not lose any money on his behalf but to be honest a death sentence will be too kind.
Madoff sorry
(CNSNews.com) – The Department of Justice (DOJ) has launched an investigation of the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office in Arizona following requests by congressional Democrats and allegations by liberal activists that the department has violated the civil rights of illegal aliens.
Reps. John Conyers (D-Mich.), Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.), and Robert Scott (D-Va.) requested the investigation, and activists groups such as National Day Laborer Organizer Network and ACORN launched petition drives and rallies in support of the probe.
Dem Idiots.
I heard Charles Freeman interviewed on NPR about why he withdrew.. Any contras here care to listen?
I’m sorry the Lie Machine won this round.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=101754720
“Freeman tells NPR’s Robert Siegel. “When it became apparent that anything I was associated with would be subject to fairly unscrupulous attack and criticism, I decided that in fact it was best for country, for me, to withdraw.”
The New Republic’s Martin Peretz wrote that Freeman was “a bought man, having been ambassador to Saudi Arabia and then having supped at its tables for almost two decades.” Peretz, who is a strong supporter of Israel, wrote, “That Freeman would be chosen as the president’s gatekeeper to national intelligence is an absurdity. It would be as if I were appointed the gatekeeper to that intelligence.”
Freeman calls Peretz’s writings “absurd.”
“The allegation that somehow I have benefited financially from my service to my country during Desert Shield and Desert Storm is insulting and I resent it very much,” Freeman says.
Freeman says that the Middle East Policy Council that he headed for 12 years has a budget of $600,000 a year, and about one-twelfth of that comes from the Saudi government in any given year.
“And of course that doesn’t go to me,” Freeman says.
Freeman says he has been a donor to the council and accepted $76,000 in salary a year, including expenses.”
More Dem Idiots.
LOST and Found: Senate Moves Toward Ratification of U.N.’s ‘Law of the Sea Treaty’
The Senate is gearing up to ratify a decades-old U.N. treaty that critics warn could create a massive U.N. bureaucracy that could even claim powers over American waterways.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/12/lost-found-senate-moves-ratification-un-treaty/
“I’ll let my fellow real science and engineering practitioners on this blog like Reg, Anti, Sol,”
Oh now THERE’S a credible group!
Last year, more than 50 million people around the world, including 34 million in the US observed Earth hour.
How many millions more will join us this year?
The debate is over.
howdy jay, hope all is well with you and yours
According to the conservative Heritage Foundation, the Bush Administration supported ratification of the Law of the Sea Treaty…
and
Wikipedia “On May 15, 2007, President Bush announced that he had urged the Senate to approve the UNCLOS.”
Dr. No strikes again.
DavidB
Posted March 12, 2009 at 11:28 am | Permalink
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And it STILL is a bad idea!
David what gave you the idea that I supported Bush?
SolDevVB posted March 12, 2009 at 10:56 am | Permalink
donndublin definitely does NOT understand scientific methodology.
Apparently neither does hansen. Isn’t quality control pretty important? Guess not for hansen….
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SolDevVB also definitely does NOT understand scientific methodology.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2008/
“In the past our procedure has been to run the analysis program upon receipt of all three data sets and make the analysis publicly available immediately. This procedure worked very well from a scientific perspective, with the broad availability of the analysis helping reveal any problems with input data sets. However, because confusion was generated in the media after one of the October 2008 input data sets was found to contain significant flaws (some October station records inadvertently repeated September data in the October data slot), we have instituted a new procedure. The GISS analysis is first made available internally before it is released publicly. If any suspect data are detected, they will be reported back to the data providers for resolution. This process may introduce significant delays. We apologize for any inconvenience due to this delay, but it should reduce the likelihood of instances of future confusion and misinformation.”
because confusion was generated in the media after one of the October 2008
It seems cosmos believes everything she reads – as long as it goes along with her faith. Ever heard of passive voice? Any reason why they would use it here?
So…. that data was never checked before it was run? Greeeeat quality control. Outstanding.
That there is some SCIENCE fer ya.
It seems cosmos does not understand quality control, but she still swallows everything they feed her.
does NOT understand scientific methodology.
And as this seems to be one of your favorite phrases, why don’t you give us your definition? That way it will be clear and we can use that as a measurement against hansen’s work.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2008/
“In the past our procedure has been to run the analysis program upon receipt of all three data sets and make the analysis publicly available immediately. This procedure worked very well from a scientific perspective, with the broad availability of the analysis helping reveal any problems with input data sets.
“The debate is over.”
Although a majority of Americans believe the seriousness of global warming is either correctly portrayed in the news or underestimated, a record-high 41% now say it is exaggerated. This represents the highest level of public skepticism about mainstream reporting on global warming seen in more than a decade of Gallup polling on the subject.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116590/Increased-Number-Think-Global-Warming-Exaggerated.aspx
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Only when you start losing do you claim it is over.
BJ, according to your micro-logic, the last three days of below normal temps must prove that global cooling is here.
That proves to the AGW crowd it’s more about poli-science than real science.
I can here it now from cosMo:
“donndublin definitely really really really does NOT understand scientific methodology.”
Since I’ve forgotten more about “scientific methodology” than you can comprehend, that makes you look like your IQ is lower than room temperature.
with the broad availability of the analysis helping reveal any problems with input data sets.
LMFAO !!!! Hansen didn’t catch it!!!! You are so freakin STUPID !!!!!
And again, zero quality control. Good Lord talk about non-scientific!!!
Numbers is numbers. Plug em in and we’ll sell what comes out.
And cosmos is first in line to buy it. How pathetic.
Oh this is too rich. The IPCC puts blatant lies in the draft reports and waits to see how many the public picks up on.
Hansen plugs whatever numbers he wants in and waits to see if anyone else notices.
This is the science[sic] that cosmos worships. So about that ocean front property in Ohio cosmos? I can get you a great deal on it.
Hmmm.
http://www.obamadeception.net/
thx pleef.
sho nuff…
“Since 1997, Republicans have grown increasingly likely to believe media coverage of global warming is exaggerated, and that trend continues in the 2009 survey; however, this year marks a relatively sharp increase among independents as well. In just the past year, Republican doubters grew from 59% to 66%, and independents from 33% to 44%, while the rate among Democrats remained close to 20%.”
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Keep up the good work Mo. Only the dims are buying your propaganda in large numbers. The independents are coming around to seeing the scam.
Better hurry.
Anybody see the small article (maybe in eagle, maybe on line) about the catholic priest who excomunicated a doctor for performing an abortion on a 9 year old girl who had been raped by her step-father? Don’t believe it was in USA.
The Daily show tonight, 10PM, will have Cramer on. That should make for one of the most intriguing shows in a long time. The Stewart/Cramer battle will come to a head, and it will be fun!
The AGW hysterics want to shut the world down, harming millions upon millions of people by destroying the world economy and making life difficult. And, doing so over very unsettled ’science’ at that.
Gee cosmos, lets just ban, world wide, the use of mechanized agricultural equipment like tractors and combines for food production. Just think we can lower the carbon footprint and reach 100% employment with people just trying to stay alive. Let’s ban the burning of all fossil fuels and rely only on renewable fuels like wood. Never mind the particulate air pollution as that will help shield us from radiant energy warming the planet. We will be decreasing CO2 production and saving the planet…to he11 with people freezing and dying, it’s worth it.
Oh, and AGW is the greatest excuse we could possible come up with for taxing the heck out of everything and everybody to advance our political agenda and power.
Yeah…what a plan!!!
I’m not up on my text abbreviation, what does AGW mean? See it a lot and curious.
Alarmist
Getting
Wacky
makes more sense than what I was imagining: As God Wishes or Wills
Al
Gore
Windfall
Anthropologic Global Warming
Always getting wasted
THERE YOU GO !!!!
The college mantra….
Excuse please. I mistyped it.
Anthropological Global Warming
Al
Gore
Whining?
“JMWalker” reminds –
“The Daily show tonight, 10PM, will have Cramer on. That should make for one of the most intriguing shows in a long time. The Stewart/Cramer battle will come to a head, and it will be fun!”
I think it’ll be fun but it will be subtle.
Stewart’s staff is crackerjack and he will be well-prepared.
Cramer will come on with arrogant bombast and I suspect Jon will treat him as if Cramer is a kitten batting at yarn.
I’ve heard they’ve scheduled two segments with Stewart and Cramer. When Jon pitches to commercial, he might toss out a zinger.
The real suspense will be if Cramer comes back for Round Two.
Apes
Gone
Wild
Bush Admin scuttled “Clean Coal Project” based on poor math.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/11/science/earth/11coal.html?_r=1
According to the report, in calculating the costs of the project, the Energy Department mistakenly compared two numbers that should not have been used together. One cost estimate was made in so-called constant dollars, reflecting the purchasing power of a dollar in 2005, and the other in dollars as they would have been spent over the following few years, worth less each year because of inflation.
The Bush administration said the projected cost had nearly doubled, to $1.8 billion from $950 million; the auditors said it had gone to $1.3 billion, up 39 percent.
shavedclean,
It’s Anthropogenic Global Warming, the term meaning “caused by humans.”
Sol and the other unhinged denialists think it’s a conspiracy. . .
Al
Gore’s
Wealth
Sol and the other unhinged denialists think it’s a conspiracy. .
So do the thermometers!!!
Course it is founded on some rock solid science
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/03/open-thread-312-2/comment-page-2/#comment-535990
Feel free to live in a grass hut and wipe with your hand, Rage.
“Oh this is too rich. The IPCC puts blatant lies in the draft reports and waits to see how many the public picks up on.”
This from the guy who typed “Global Cooling” into Google Scholar and came up with a list of abstracts from articles discussing events in remote geologic time (yes, I looked).
1) You have in no way established that the “IPCC lied”. You seem to confuse the self correcting nature of science with lying.
2) You have this obsession with Hansen, as if if you discredit him, you discredit AGW. As has been pointed out to you multiple times before, you don’t.
You are still opposing the cumulative findings of multiple research projects from around the world that have convinced the vast majority of people in relevant fields. You are still opposing the considered opinion and position statements of, for example, the National Academy of Sciences (you know, the national honors society for scientists). And what do you have? Nothing but political links and the bad mockery you resort to when cosmos responds directly to your allegations.
“The AGW hysterics want to shut the world down, harming millions upon millions of people by destroying the world economy and making life difficult.”
Shut the world down? LOL. No.
Cleaner energy, used more efficiently is the basic idea.
No one has problem with that.
Oh, and trolling.
“Excuse please. I mistyped it.
Anthropological Global Warming”
Re: Sol
DNFTT
shavedclean,
Sorry, I presume you were asking about AGW from my post above. I would have answered your question immediately but left after posting to answer work calls and place orders.
You got the ‘correct answer’ and several I really like even better, though not used often enough, ha.
As Sol said it is ‘Anthropological Global Warming’, climate warming due to the influence of man. One of the most self-important, egotistical concepts of our age. As if we are so influential in the world to cause or correct it much.
But, it’s a good enough concept to totally consume folks like ‘comatose cosmos’ who have based their whole life on that one agenda. To each their own, and I don’t mind, except when it causes me and mine expense, discomfort and higher taxes.
Re: Agnatha
DNFTDB
There I go not reading carefully.
It’s ‘Anthropogenic Global Warming’, not ‘Anthropological’.
Baylor is up by three, 1:09 left in the game. Those Jayhawks are out to kill me.
“Feel free to live in a grass hut and wipe with your hand, Rage.” — Ranti
So, Ranti, you use what; your tongue?
“As Sol said it is ‘Anthropological Global Warming’, climate warming due to the influence of man. One of the most self-important, egotistical concepts of our age. As if we are so influential in the world to cause or correct it much.”
Here, we see why bawks refuses to accept science.
It makes man bigger than his God. Can’t have that!
Fortunately, the God most Christians know is considerable larger that the God according to bawks. These good people of faith recognize their own obligation to be good stewards of this Earth.
And sol? Well he’s just a crank.
Beaker,
I should have stated ‘bare hand’, sorry for the confusion.
1) You have in no way established that the “IPCC lied”. You seem to confuse the self correcting nature of science with lying.
What a crock of crap!!! Been waiting for this all day. Here we go folks…
”
It is a bit of a stretch to claim three centuries of awareness of greenhouse gases contributing to a
possible climate warming effect
is several centuries old. I think it was Arrhenius who actually made a public case of it, in just a bit over century and a decade ago.
[Jerry Mahlman]
”
Status
Noted. Text has been edited.
Emphasis mine.
”
One could quibble with the idea that “observations … are the foundation of our science”,
since the whole IPCC enterprise is motivated by the theory of global warming due to
increasing greenhouse gases. I’d suggest changing “the foundation” to “a foundation”.
[Dian Seidel]
”
Status:
Accepted. Text has been edited.
Emphasis mine.
I tell you what — the Jayhawks got just what they deserved out of this game, but they broke my heart in doing it!
As you can observe, the CONs’ denial of climate change is centered on its most visible spokesperson.
There’s serious stuff going on with Earth’s weather patterns.
That’s a given.
When serious stuff is going on it’s not irrational to ask, “What can we do?!”
The laziest answer — far lazier that a “welfare queen eating bon-bons in her Section 8 apartment with the Cadillac sitting out front warming up to take her to pick up her ADC checks — is when the Climate Change Deniers say, “What can we do? Nothing!”
Instead, some people went to work and started studying the “What can we do?” question with a rational response: “What have we done?”
We’ve done a lot, we humans.
We’ve burned coal and petroleum and spewed gases and particulates into the atmosphere on a daily basis for 150 years or more. And, in some ways, it’s affected the planet (on a daily basis, mind you) the way Krakatau affected the planet in 1883.
Funny how scientific monitoring (albeit, with 19th Century technology) began to be recorded in the 1880s.
With that data, either side can cherry-pick all sorts of stats. Contemporary CON cherry-picking has been pretty much reduced to stuff on the order of “Haw haw haw! It’s snowing in December and where’s global warming?! Haw haw haw!”
Real climate science studies macroweather patterns, ocean and atmospheric systems changes and suggests maybe spewing fossil fuel residue into the air we breathe might be something to reconsider.
Y’know, “SOCIALISM!!!!”
“
“Over the last decade global land-surface sets have been able to increase the number of
stations substantially”. Is untrue.There has been a substantial reduction in the number of stations since 1980. see T C Peterson and R S Vose 1997 “An Overview of the Global
Historical Climatology Network Temperature Database” Bulletin of the Royal
Meteorological Society Vol 78, pages 2837-2849. There has been a particularly large
reduction in the former Soviet Union. Delete from “decade” on line 30 to “not” on line 33
and replace with “substantial reductions in numbers of stations, and in their reliability,
since 1980, have affected accuracy of recent figures”.
[Vincent Gray]
”
Status:
Noted. Text has been edited.
Emphasis mine.
”
Replace “Remarkable success” with “usefulness” No model has yet succeeded in
predicting a future climate change and until one does they cannot be considered
particularly “successful”
[Vincent Gray]
”
Status:
Noted. Text has been edited.
Emphasis mine.
“Unstated here is the mega-challenge on how to properly initialize the complete climate
system in our models. Many tricks are employed that produce an equilibrated state, but
not necessarily comfortably close
”
Emphasis mine.
”
We always have to be very careful when we discuss “abrupt climate change”. Typically,
such “abrupt”climate changes take decades to centuries to millenia, e.g. thermohaline
circulation slowdown/collapse(50-100 years), West Antarctic ice sheet collapse(500-
1000years) ; Arctic summer sea ice melting roughly a century or so).
[Jerry Mahlman]
”
Status:
The point is well taken, although much
faster changes than those cited by the
reviewer are now known to occur. We
will alter the text to clarify the concept
of abrupt climate change.
Oh look out, he loose!
This has to be my favorite one…
No model has yet succeeded in predicting a future climate change
Even after — Many tricks are employed
They still can’t get it right.
That there is some science for you.
The above posts are from the IPCC draft report that “Joe Public” had to correct.
Correcting nature of science indeed.
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DavidB
Posted March 12, 2009 at 1:15 pm | Permalink
“The AGW hysterics want to shut the world down, harming millions upon millions of people by destroying the world economy and making life difficult.”
Shut the world down? LOL. No.
Cleaner energy, used more efficiently is the basic idea.
No one has problem with that.
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I have a real problem with a politician (Algore) claiming that it’s “settled science” when the “self correcting nature of science” says otherwise. When that same politician who doesn’t practice what he preaches and stands to profit big time from compulsory taxes and laws. I have a problem when he claims to have a “overwhelming consensus” and then will not reveal the numbers.
I also have a problem when we use food sources for fuel to allegedly save the future generations when millions are starving now.
Is global warming real? Perhaps so. Is it caused by man. Maybe. Can we turn it around? Probably not. Should we stop the debate and implement the socialist Dragonian measures suggested by the Algore and the IPPC. Absolutely not.
2) You have this obsession with Hansen, as if if you discredit him, you discredit AGW. As has been pointed out to you multiple times before, you don’t.
Yeah, throw any numbers you want in there. cosmos and aggie will swallow it hook, line and sinker. Quality control? We don’t need no steeeeenking quality control.
“beber’s” full post from –
“Feel free to live in a grass hut and wipe with your hand, Rage.” — Ranti
So, Ranti, you use what; your tongue?
Why wouldn’t “ANTI” wipe with his tongue?
His head’s already up his ass.
Having your head up your a$$ best describes being fired from a DJ job….How tough can it be?
How bad does one need to be in order to be fired from this ‘job’?
whats wrong with living in grass huts?
SolDevVB,
When you finish nit-picking the unpublished DRAFT of the Summary, or whatever you’re posting, refute the science in published Chapters 1 thru 11 at,
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
That also requires refuting the science in the published papers listed in the “References” at the end of each of those chapters.
whats wrong with living in grass huts?
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They are drafty.
What’s next in your career Monkeyhawk, working in a toll booth?
When you finish nit-picking the unpublished DRAFT
Why were the lies in there in the first place? I love how you redirect. Get your a$$ handed to you? Change the subject.
And just how many lies did “Joe Public” miss?
Praise be.
SolDevVB seems unable to understand obvious and simple facts:
1) Preliminary scientific data is unchecked data.
2) Preliminary data/analysis is often released, with the warning and understanding that it is preliminary.
3) Analysis of preliminary (unchecked) data can help find errors in the data.
Wether that grass hut is a mansion or a prison all depends on your point of view.
Not much on mother nature huh?
Was the draft, with lies intact, peer reviewed?
I know that cons can be a little intimidated by change or new ideas.
Think of it this way.
We don’t have to change how we LIVE.
We do very much need to change HOW we live.
We Americans are a population of only 300 million. Yet we consume some 25% of the Earth’s resources.
Other nations now aspire to our standard of living. THAT throws roughly another 3 billion people into how we do things….now.
This wonderful little planet we live on just is not up to that. It isn’t even fair to ask.
More energy flows or shines around this world than human beings could ever dream of generating. Too, we are shamefully wasteful of the energy we use.
Who can argue with better exploring the former while being more mindful of the latter? Why?
America can lead the world in to a more responsible age of how we treat our world. We have everything to gain and only the ease of unlabored thought to lose.
Not much on mother nature huh?
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I love mother nature, but that b*tch can bite!
SolDevVBcosmos seems unable to understand obvious and simple facts:hansen screwed the pooch and someone else had to tell him.
That there is a scientist fer ya!!!
lots of personal insults here, huh?
A house divided shall not stand.
I wonder if Rush ever read the bible?
“donndublin” tries –
“…the “self correcting nature of science”
Reminded me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw
From the 20th Century Mark Twain.
(It’ll upset both sides. Enjoy.)
“There’s serious stuff going on with Earth’s weather patterns.
That’s a given.”–Monkey
Uh huh, just like there has always been. So what?
And I’m reminded of this Mark Twain quotation –
“When the End of the World comes I hope I’m in Kansas, since they’re 20 years behind on everything.”
(Okay, he said “Kentucky,” but my version is apropos today.)
Sol, your first impression on me from years ago was that of a sincere caring christian, wether we agreed or not. We still had decent discussions, didn’t we?
Just my humble observation, this place has changed you. That’s a shame. I liked the old you better.
“I should have stated ‘bare hand’, sorry for the confusion.” — Ranty
You use a glove?
“howdy jay, hope all is well with you and yours”
Hello and welcome back Tracy! Sorry I missed that.
I sorta get in the habit of looking for harangues littered with caps and punctuation.
We’re fine. Though my son will be the death of me if I don’t kill him first!*
I hope you’re well.
*Cons be aware that this was just a figure of speech.
Beber,
I know wiping your own a$$ is a concept lost on Libs.
Trace – I’m cool with those that are cool. If you are an a$$, I treat you like an a$$. I don’t think I’ve done anything negative towards you.
“ANTI” asks –
“What’s next in your career Monkeyhawk, working in a toll booth?”
I dunno.
Ask “donndublin,” who seems to think I’m living in the lap of luxury.
According to “donndublin,” my future will likely result in me being your master, “ANTI.”
Peel me another grape.
no u haven’t
an eye for an eye
u guys were blind years ago
sorry
wwjd?
According to “donndublin,” my future will likely result in me being your master, “ANTI.”
Weren’t you the blog czar or something? I remember something about hats and red robes…
What would scooby do?
According to “donndublin,” my future will likely result in me being your master, “ANTI.”
Peel me another grape.
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Well, give me a heads up.
I’m short on arsenic.
I just don’t see many people here setting examples for anyone. If we want to make sure our nation (children) fail, we can just have them act like the divided house I see here.
Some of ya’ll make congresscritters seem pretty angelic.
And who the fuq peels grapes?
“Here, we see why bawks refuses to accept science.”—BlowJ
Like BlowJ refuses to accept that he’s an immature simpleton.
” We Americans are a population of only 300 million. Yet we consume some 25% of the Earth’s resources.
Other nations now aspire to our standard of living. THAT throws roughly another 3 billion people into how we do things….now.
This wonderful little planet we live on just is not up to that. It isn’t even fair to ask.”–BlowJ
We use more because we are industrious and have done well, including bringing much to the rest of the world.
BlowJ would do away with that of course and have us living in huts contributing nothing.
So if other nations aspire to our standard of living BlowJ thinks we should lower our standard of living instead of helping them come up.
BlowJ, you have no idea what this planet is is up to, you are Blowing out your butt is all.
You have an agenda and fact’s be damned, nothing is going to get in the way of that agenda.
News…..oh yes there are, and you will be left in the dust of progress, as if that’s not exactly where you are now anyway.
now u believe in scooby?
why not the flying spaghetti monster?
BL20 makes my point…perfectly.
somebody wept, scooby or whoever….
Tarkus,
I think Rush edited it to fit the God he believes in.
OK, I take that back. He’s not here to defend himself.
“We Americans are a population of only 300 million. Yet we consume some 25% of the Earth’s resources.”
That’s changing very quickly and America has “led the world in to a more responsible age of how we treat our world.” It won’t happen with socialism.
China will soon become the worlds leader in energy consumption and is now the largest producer of GHGs. They are also the world’s leading socialist country. If you think you can save the world, you’re barking up the wrong tree.
Bawks you do a very poor job of speaking for yourself here. When you get better at that, you may ask permission to speak for me.
“For now, this is where we make our stand”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M
Rush is poster child for hypocrisy.
Not much defense for him.
My Jesus comndems Rush’s views.
I don’t disagree with my Jesus.
I find him to be one of the most dispicable human beings on the planet and I’m saying that because of his hate of Obama. he has a history of inflaming topics to feather his own nest. he’s an “infotaner” and not much else.
“We Americans are a population of only 300 million. Yet we consume some 25% of the Earth’s resources.”
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North America has only 6% of the world adult population, it accounts for 34% of household wealth.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it. :D
Sorry, that should be..
“The Earth is where we make our stand.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M
Of course you all heard about Cheney’s assassination squad?
Sad but true.
“The Earth is where we make our stand.”
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I stand on Earth everyday.
I did not hear about the hit squad,
however,…this just in from W’s higher power….
Owe nothing to any man, but to love one another; for he that loveth another, hath fulfilled the Law.
W said this is who he answers to.
I hope he believes in hell.
TARKUS
Posted March 12, 2009 at 2:21 pm | Permalink
I did not hear about the hit squad,
however,…this just in from W’s higher power….
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Waylon is dead.
Willy is not.
Wut? Waylons dead?
y was I not informed?
February 13, 2002
“ANTI” steps up with –
“And who the fuq peels grapes?”
WHOOSH!!!
“ANTI” contributes –
Posted March 12, 2009 at 2:32 pm | Permalink
February 13, 2002
You’re channeling Rain Man, right?
Appropriate.
Monkeyhawk,
Again, stop sending me mix tapes.
WASHINGTON (AP) – The White House objected Thursday to U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon’s description of the United States as a “deadbeat” donor to the world body.
Ban used the phrase Wednesday during a private meeting with lawmakers at the Capitol, one day after he met with President Barack Obama in the Oval Office.
White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Ban’s “word choice was unfortunate,” given that the U.S. is the largest contributor to the United Nations.
The United States pays 22 percent of the organization’s nearly $5 billion operating budget but is perennially late paying its dues.
I still wanna hear about dead-eye Dick’s hit squad.
Surely they shoot better than their boss?
Let’s try again (stupid word press)
Sol, you are Bullwinkle.
I said: “1) You have in no way established that the “IPCC lied”. You seem to confuse the self correcting nature of science with lying.”
You responded with:
“What a crock of crap!!! Been waiting for this all day. Here we go folks…”
This is where the Bullwinkle part comes in. Sol evidently really is dumb enough to think that the following are “gotchas”.
“It is a bit of a stretch to claim three centuries of awareness of greenhouse gases contributing to a
possible climate warming effect
is several centuries old. I think it was Arrhenius who actually made a public case of it, in just a bit over century and a decade ago.”
The context of the quote is provided by the quote, the author was talking about the history of global warming theory. The bolding is typical of the nature of scientific writing. Conclusions are written tenatively. That is SOP for any scientific field. Where’s the “lie” Bullwinkle?
“‘Over the last decade global land-surface sets have been able to increase the number of
stations substantially’. Is untrue.There has been a substantial reduction in the number of stations since 1980. see T C Peterson and R S Vose 1997 ‘An Overview of the Global
Historical Climatology Network Temperature Database’ Bulletin of the Royal
Meteorological Society Vol 78, pages 2837-2849. There has been a particularly large
reduction in the former Soviet Union. Delete from ‘decade’ on line 30 to ‘not’ on line 33
and replace with ’substantial reductions in numbers of stations, and in their reliability,
since 1980, have affected accuracy of recent figures’.”
Uhm, where did you get this text again? (Rhetorical question, I already know the answer-What you seem to fail to understand is how the answer discredits the very claim you think this quotation supports)
“One could quibble with the idea that observations … are the foundation of our science’,
since the whole IPCC enterprise is motivated by the theory of global warming due to
increasing greenhouse gases. I’d suggest changing ‘the foundation’ to ‘a foundation’.”
[Dian Seidel]
“Status:
Accepted. Text has been edited.”
Again, where did you get this, and who accepted the editing of the text (which basically discussed the nature of the basis of science, theory or observation-btw, I think the author here was correct as well). Where’s the “lie”, Bullwinkle?
“Replace ‘Remarkable success’ with ‘usefulness’ No model has yet succeeded in
predicting a future climate change and until one does they cannot be considered
particularly ’successful’
[Vincent Gray]
“Status:
Noted. Text has been edited.”
Why replace it with “useful”? Do you even realize WHY climate scientists have overwhelmingly accepted the hypothesis of global warming/climate change due to human activity? Actually, I would quibble somewhat with Vicent Gray here, but he is correct here in that supporting evidence for the model comes not primarily from predicting temperature increases, but by connecting observed increases to hypothesized human activity by eliminating competing explanations. If you think this is a smoking gun, you just confirm that you have no idea what you are even arguing against.
Speaking of confirmation that you have no idea what you are arguing against…
“Unstated here is the mega-challenge on how to properly initialize the complete climate
system in our models. Many tricks are employed that produce an equilibrated state, but
not necessarily comfortably close”
Ohhhh, there is is, the smoking gun! Those dirty IPCCer’s are using tricks!!!
“We always have to be very careful when we discuss ‘abrupt climate change’. Typically,
such ‘abrupt’ climate changes take decades to centuries to millenia, e.g. thermohaline
circulation slowdown/collapse(50-100 years), West Antarctic ice sheet collapse(500-
1000years) ; Arctic summer sea ice melting roughly a century or so).
[Jerry Mahlman]
“Status:
The point is well taken, although much
faster changes than those cited by the
reviewer are now known to occur. We
will alter the text to clarify the concept
of abrupt climate change.”
I added the italics. No further comment should be necessary.
Here’s Sol’s “coup de grace”:
“No model has yet succeeded in predicting a future climate change
“Even after — Many tricks are employed
“They still can’t get it right.
“That there is some science for you.”
You know, it is really pathetic when someone doesn’t even understand the subject he presumes to criticize to even know how to dishonestly quote mine it. You provided the contexts of the quotes, quite obviously because you didn’t understand them, or how they undercut the very case you think you were building.
Sol, the quotes you pulled out are typical of the sorts of comments that are made to any sort of scientific paper draft (in fact, you typically would expect much harsher comments). The IPCC INVITED these critiques. The comments were the indications of how the critiques were responded to and incorporated into the report. ANY scientific work will have have these kinds of comments, as anyone who has done science (no matter the field) and worked to publish through peer review (which is like having a colonoscopy without anesthetic while the doctor finds all sorts of polyps that you will have to remove yourself) would understand. You don’t. You evidently think this was a devestating response to my first point when in fact you completely substantiated my claim that you “confuse the self correcting nature of science with lying.” Science is tentative and constantly self correcting. To provide quotes that demonstrate this process and think that they are smoking guns for “Lies” from the IPCC simply reveals your ignorance. And since you obviously have chosen to wallow in that ignorance, it is obviously willful ignorance.
The IPCC lies?
Where did you get this stuff again?
“The above posts are from the IPCC draft report that ‘Joe Public’ had to correct.”
You mean they allowed public comment on their report and accepted some of the suggested changes? Those crafty bast*rds!
Sol, this is what is known as a Bullwinkle moment. You know, where Bullwinkle says “Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!”, then proceeds to pull out a lion. The difference is, at least Bullwinkle knew that he had the wrong hat! This is your second Bullwinkle moment on this issue (your other one was when you went ahead and used Rage’s Google Scholar link, typed in “Global Cooling” and then evidently went “Woo Hoo, I got a whole page of stuff!” without bothering to read what the abstracts actually said).
Thanks for confirming so well this statement:
1) You have in no way established that the “IPCC lied”. You seem to confuse the self correcting nature of science with lying.
And also this statement from cosmos:
“SolDevVB seems unable to understand obvious and simple facts:
“1) Preliminary scientific data is unchecked data.
“2) Preliminary data/analysis is often released, with the warning and understanding that it is preliminary.
“3) Analysis of preliminary (unchecked) data can help find errors in the data.”
See the bolded part? That’s cosmos being kind.
Way to go, Bullwinkle.
Oooops.
Lost the formatting. Note: In the original post, I preserved the formatting Sol did and added some in a couple of places. But, WordPress evidently doesn’t like “bast*rds”.
Here was the example of cosmos being kind…
“SolDevVB seems unable to understand obvious and simple facts:”
And he was.
WOW!
That was winded.
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BlueJay
Posted March 12, 2009 at 2:14 pm | Permalink
Sorry, that should be..
“The Earth is where we make our stand.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M
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BJ, Why don’t you go to China like Crapon did and sell your snake oil. I’m sure you will feel right at home. You can teach them to sing kumbiya if they don’t shoot you first.
When you ‘mine’ quotes, they tend to backfire and explode.
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ANTI
Posted March 12, 2009 at 3:01 pm | Permalink
WOW!
That was winded.
———-
Kinda like my dog after she eats people food.
Donnie, why dont you eat some of your doggie’s food?? Might improve your insight… Then again, probably not…
DFTDPF
About those “green” bulbs. There was as story about a Brandy Bridges of Ellsworth, Maine who found it was going to really cost to clean up the mess of a broken “green” bulb for the contamination in the room rose to 6 times the accepted level. Not knowing what to do in the first place, she called the Dept.of Environment Protection who did the evaluation, sealed up the area and turned her over to an enviornmental clean up specialist who quoted a minimum of $2000.000 to clean up the bedroom. Because of the mercury pollutant the insurance company denied coverage, so she paid out of pocket. Walmart figured to sell 100 millon of these bulbs in 2007, at 5 times the cost of a regular bulb. Like this is real stuff, you can’t make it up! I still gotta think there is an unstated agenda here. But if I was thinking I would have stayed with this thread… I took the bride to the Mall to-day.
Aggie,
“It is a bit of a stretch to claim three centuries of awareness of greenhouse gases contributing to a possible climate warming effect is several centuries old. I think it was Arrhenius who actually made a public case of it, in just a bit over century and a decade ago.”
You don’t see the problem with that? Color me shocked. The bolding was mine. Your first clue should have been the “Emphasis mine.” At the end of each post.
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‘Over the last decade global land-surface sets have been able to increase the number of stations substantially’
. Is untrue.There has been a substantial reduction in the number of stations since 1980.
There has been a particularly large reduction in the former Soviet Union.
… ’substantial reductions in numbers of stations, and in their reliability, since 1980, have affected accuracy of recent figures’.”
Yeah, I can see where you got confused. Eye roll.
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Replace ‘Remarkable success’ with ‘usefulness’ No model has yet succeeded in predicting a future climate change and until one does they cannot be considered particularly ’successful’
And you still believe the models. What does that say about you???
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Ohhhh, there is is, the smoking gun! Those dirty IPCCer’s are using tricks!!!
Even when they trick their models, they still can’t produce the results. Outstanding.
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Three centuries vs. a century and a decade. Close enough for government work huh? Man that must have been really hard to research.
Increase the number of stations vs. substantial reductions. Yeah. No problems there.
Models that have failed every time to date. That there is some science for you. And talk about some robust peer reviewing…
The quotes were taken from http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Comments/wg1-commentFrameset.html
Which, big shock, has been taken down. I wouldn’t want my a$$ hanging out there like that either.
Chas, where do you preach? Anybody know? I didn’t know the church of Satan here.
was here in Kansas.
We could all be wiped out in an unforseen cosmic calamity. We are even vulnerable to sun flares.
Why don’t we quit arguing about it and do the next right thing, that is, take care of the environment.
We don’t have very good odds for long term survival.
The only thing we can do is try to limit the damage we do.
I believe reasonable people of all political parties can agree with this, huh?
I’d love to get off foreign oil and going solar is job protection for me.
But don’t lie and don’t get all hysterical. Don’t raise prices across the board over a farce. Don’t sell me the farce with a has-been politician and a bought and paid for NASA employee.
Energy independence, new sources of energy? Sure. They hype, hoopla and lies? Take ‘em and shove ‘em.
“donndublin” sits and frets about –
“…the church of Satan here.”
Unlike you, apparently, I’ve read your book.
Your side wins.
If you believe your book.
So what’s the problem?
I agree TARKUS.
I saw last night on the History channel about the expected earth quake off the NW coast that’s due anytime now that cause a tsunami. Then there’s the catastrophic volcano near Seattle that will make Mount St Helen’s look small. We won’t have to worry about GW when it blows. We’ll be worrying about the cooling affect it will create.
well don, that’s kinda agreeing..
do u agree we should take care of the environment?
warming, cooling or whatever
IT’S NOT GOOD TO MUCK WITH MOTHER NATURE
she is VERY unforgiving
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Monkeyhawk
Posted March 12, 2009 at 3:27 pm | Permalink
“donndublin” sits and frets about –
“…the church of Satan here.”
Unlike you, apparently, I’ve read your book.
Your side wins.
If you believe your book.
So what’s the problem?
___________________
No, I’ve read it more than once and I still read it. I’m very aware of who wins and who loses. No problem for me Monk.
Did it torment the demons you embrace when you read it?
”
I saw last night on the History channel about the expected earth quake off the NW coast that’s due anytime now that cause a tsunami. Then there’s the catastrophic volcano near Seattle that will make Mount St Helen’s look small. We won’t have to worry about GW when it blows. We’ll be worrying about the cooling affect it will create.”
Just like a con; science on the educational channels is fine, except when the program is about man-caused climate change.
Taxable income over– Not over– Tax is:
$0 $7,825 10% ofamount over $0
$7,825 $31,850 $782.50 plus 15% of
the amount over 7,825
$31,850 $77,100 $4,386.25 plus 25% of
the amount over 31,850
$77,100 $160,850 $15,698.75 plus 28% of
the amount over 77,100
$160,850 $349,700 $39,148.75 plus 33% of
the amount over 160,850
$349,700 no limit $101,469.25 plus 35% of
the amount over 349,700
The Awful Dreaded Tax on Small Business… This is NOT for Total Business Income… but only for TAXABLE income….
TARKUS, Yes I agree about that too.
I’ve done more in my line of work to clean up the environment than all the libs on this blog put together.
In the last 35 years I’ve done consulting work on hundreds of millions of dollars worth of sewer treatment plants and lines, ground water contamination, windmill farms, flood control projects and geothermal facilities, just to name a few in more than just Kansas. I guess you could say I was a environmental engineer.
And you?
Yes blaber I consider all scientific causes not just “man made” causes.
I also remember watching a show about how we’re still coming out of the “Little Ice Age”.
Donnie…. I have about HAD it with you and your type… Bunch of dumb AZZ liars!!! If I wanted you to know where I preach, I would tell you…. I wouldnt want you to mess up my parish with your out and out blasphemy… You have NO CLUE what you write about… Furthermore, you should be glad you’re not standing in front of me with your SWILL…. Forgive me, but you would find yourself flat on your back!! Nowhere does my Bible tell me I have to LIKE your sorry AZZ… And I sure as he!! dont like YOURS!!
You really should go get a doggie snack… to improve your character!!
Sad to say, the Church of Satan does exist in Kansas… Maybe you should go visit it… They have a lot of perverts just like you… You might find the experience enlightening…
Re: donndublin
DNFTLYINGT
“sewer treatment plants” [Donnie]
NOW we know where he gets his shi**y outlook on life!! Not to mention why so many of his posts STINK!!! LOL
He’s a Meth-o-dist.
(Claycomb)
In the last 35 years I’ve done consulting work on hundreds of millions of dollars worth of sewer treatment plants and lines, ground water contamination, windmill farms, flood control projects and geothermal facilities, just to name a few in more than just Kansas. I guess you could say I was a environmental engineer.
Uh-huh. And I have super-powers and x-ray vision.
Chas, if you’re a professional like a doctor, lawyer or engineer that rate is 35% whether it’s $10 or $10 million.
I’d love to get off foreign oil and going solar is job protection for me.
That, at least, I know is a true statement.
you would find yourself flat on your back!!
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Chas,
For a man of God, you seem very violent.
donndublin
Posted March 12, 2009 at 3:59 pm | Permalink
Chas, if you’re a professional like a doctor, lawyer or engineer that rate is 35% whether it’s $10 or $10 million.
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Another flaming LIE… Any idiot knows that your tax rate isnt based on your type of employment… And it sure the he!! doesnt start at $10…
C’mon Donnie, I know you’re not the brightest bulb on the marquee, but not even you are that stupid!!
Dond I don’t have environmental credentials.
I’m just trying to find common ground of benefit to all.
One thing I think we agree on is that mankind has really done a poor job as caretaker.
I don’t want to argue about differing opinions on what the consequences are, or will be.
I see Chas is in his flaming name calling mood today.
dondub, if that’s the case, surely you will be happy about the 1.3 million that Pitt State’s school of technology got for bio-plastics research?
Sounds like a good use of our money.
Has this been posted yet? I haven’t been checking:
Study: World’s coral reefs likely to ‘dissolve completely’
http://blogs.usatoday.com/weather/2009/03/study-worlds-co.html
Not a big enough :( in the world for ocean lovers like me :(
While everyone bickers every day about the temperature, I wish more people would pay attention to this pressing result of anthropogenic CO2 production.
:(, if I haven’t made myself clear.
geez muhneez peoples
yer more interested in making each other angry than anything else.
Boooorrrrriiiiinnngggg.
Hello Tara from Hawaii.
I remember you.
This is Tracy.
Hope your schooling has gone well.
Wahine_Tara
Posted March 12, 2009 at 4:10 pm | Permalink
Has this been posted yet? I haven’t been checking:
Study: World’s coral reefs likely to ‘dissolve completely’
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The reefs have already disappeared here in Kansas.
It’s crazy!
Anti has a sense of humor.
That’s encouraging.
I was amused.
TARKUS
Posted March 12, 2009 at 4:15 pm | Permalink
Anti has a sense of humor.
That’s encouraging.
I was amused.
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With so much depressing news these days a guy needs a sense of humor.
Well chas maybe if you tell me where your church is we can see who finds themselves flat on their back. We’ll also let your parishioners see how you talk like a sailor and lie like the devil himself.
The church I attend wouldn’t let you be a janitor and it’s the largest church in town. The staff is probably bigger than your congregation and has an outreach program twice the size of your entire budget. We’d love to have you come visit, it might save your sorry soul.
“blasphemy”??????? Since when did you become God.
Eat it chas!!!!
“Professional Corporations who choose (C¦ Corporation status may be treated as “Personal Services Corporations,” subject to a flat thirty-five (35%) percent tax rate, instead of the graduated tax rate afforded to individuals.
http://www.ainerfraker.com/index.asp?pgid=49
Good luck getting that apology, Don.
Chas is never wrong, as you and I both know…except when he types.
http://ellsworthmaine.com/site/index.php/200704127446/Latest/Fluorescent-Bulb-Break-Creates-Costly-Hassle.html
There’s the original (apparently) Brandy Bridges story. You have to read all the way to the bottom to get the whole story. Although there is a small danger of mercury contamination from a broken compact fluorescent bulb, basically, you just pick up the broken glass, seal it in a bag and put it in the trash. Ms. Bridges is looking for a cause, a lawsuit, and a pile of money, more than likely. Anyway, if you’re worried about it, buy the new, really expensive LED bulbs coming out. They’ll last forever, and are more efficient than the compact bulbs.
Well, anyway, thanks sumrum. You’ve just made me richer. I’m going to stockpile a whole roomful of incandescent light bulbs, and sell them to paranoid cons once the bulbs are taken off the market for good.
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Rage
Posted March 12, 2009 at 3:57 pm | Permalink
In the last 35 years I’ve done consulting work on hundreds of millions of dollars worth of sewer treatment plants and lines, ground water contamination, windmill farms, flood control projects and geothermal facilities, just to name a few in more than just Kansas. I guess you could say I was a environmental engineer.
Uh-huh. And I have super-powers and x-ray vision.
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No Rage I just like to “whoop yo a$$” methaphorically speaking.
Study: World’s coral reefs likely to ‘dissolve completely’
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The good news is that shark attacks should decrease.
Only a con could believe that a new, more efficient lighting source is a greeny plot. You know, you can still buy Coleman lanterns that burn kerosene, if you really want to be safe.
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TARKUS
Posted March 12, 2009 at 4:09 pm | Permalink
dondub, if that’s the case, surely you will be happy about the 1.3 million that Pitt State’s school of technology got for bio-plastics research?
Sounds like a good use of our money.
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That’s right. Like I’ve said elsewhere, I don’t blame Republicans for getting their piece of the pork pie, but then again, this really isn’t pork.
You know, you can still buy Coleman lanterns that burn kerosene, if you really want to be safe.
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I use a lit tire, it last longer.
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ANTI
Posted March 12, 2009 at 4:27 pm | Permalink
Good luck getting that apology, Don.
Chas is never wrong, as you and I both know…except when he types.
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Yeah, no wonder he thinks he’s god.
Anti, see we do find common ground.
Akways have to keep humor.
It helps keep things in perspective.
TARKUS
Posted March 12, 2009 at 4:40 pm | Permalink
Anti, see we do find common ground.
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TARKUS,
If the Libs see your post, they may black ball you…
They hate me.
(Looking side to side)
Light the tire on the pond bank so you can see yer trot lines, also good fer skeeters.
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Chas
Posted March 12, 2009 at 3:56 pm | Permalink
“sewer treatment plants” [Donnie]
NOW we know where he gets his shi**y outlook on life!! Not to mention why so many of his posts STINK!!! LOL
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Charlie boy could use his own personal STP for all the crap he spews from his mouth.
“The reefs have already disappeared here in Kansas. It’s crazy!” — ANTI
Don’t we still have a lot of beach, especially out west? Does the beach need to front an ocean before you can advertise beachfront property?
Light the tire on the pond bank so you can see yer trot lines, also good fer skeeters.
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LOL
Does the beach need to front an ocean before you can advertise beachfront property?
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Well that is a slippery slope….All depends on the wording of the Ad, Linda.
TARKUS, you’re alright for a lib. At least you’re not a hypocriter.
Anti, my own brother is my political opposite.
I love him like a brother.
We just don’t discuss politics/religion.
Being opposite in these areas does not mean we should hate each other.
I’ll be back, gotta go for now.
It’s getting ugly out there, for sure.
Doesn’t mean I hafta hate everybody.
Donnie, dude, you’re gonna blow your stack there… and if you keep on flaming without a point, you’re gonna need a fire extinguisher to put out your flames!! LOL
I really dont care how big your congregation is, but if its the one I am thinking about, I wouldnt want to attend it… IF its the one I am thinking, its too full of hypocrites… I wouldnt fit in very well with that group!! LOL
Go get another doggie snack… they always help my doggie’s breath…. usually within minutes…. And it improves their attitudes!! You REALLY need that!!!
Like most CONS on this Blog, you dish it out freely… you dont know how to take it!!!
BTW TARKUS, I’m really sorry I confused you with chas. You have more class than chas could ever pull out of his a$$.
That could be the beginning of a country song.
ANTI — For all of the lying bit*hing you do about BlueJay being a 24/7 blogger, it’s sort of funny how much your “nic” has been here today, and how few posts BluJay has here today… Well, not HA HA funny… more like weird funny…. Been like that numerous times lately….
Ohhhh I get it… ANTI doesnt have a job!!!
That tends to make anybody grouchy!! LOL
And with that, I am outta here… Meetings are frequent during Lent… Y’all have a good evening!!!
Chas
Posted March 12, 2009 at 4:52 pm | Permalink
ANTI — For all of the lying bit*hing you do about BlueJay being a 24/7..blah, blah, blah.
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I think you have me confused with someone else.
I say very little to BJ these days and have for some time now.
Charlie boy, my stack is cool. You’re the one threatening violence.
In all my years I’ve never know a pastor who has such views contrary to what Jesus thought, but that’s your choice and you’re free to do that. A preacher who supports gay marriage, abortion and godless socialism and blows his top at the drop of a hat is beyond me. That’s my opinion and I’m entitled to that.
You’re in a small minority from what I can see. It appears most of the libs on this blog are atheists and mock Christianity. Talk about hypocrisy.
Love and humility is what Jesus taught and I see none of that in you. I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings and if you think the “lol” is a way of apologizing that for calling me a liar about professional tax rates or what I do, then I’ll except that. That makes me a bigger person than you will ever be.
“Professional Corporations who choose (C¦ Corporation status may be treated as “Personal Services Corporations,” subject to a flat thirty-five (35%) percent tax rate, instead of the graduated tax rate afforded to individuals.
http://www.ainerfraker.com/index.asp?pgid=49
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Chas would rather ignore the truth than admit he’s wrong. I guess that makes him a god. I pity him when he stands before the real God.
Strange Donnie, I dont see “Engineers” on this list… (from your link)
Currently, practitioners of the following professions may incorporate their practices as Professional Corporations:
Accounting
Acupuncture
Architecture
Chiropractic
Clinical social work
Dentistry
Law
Marriage, family, and child counseling
Medicine
Nursing
Optometry
Osteopathy
Pharmacy
Physical therapy
Physician assistants
Podiatry
Psychology
Shorthand court reporters
Speech-language pathology and audiology
Also, your link lists the 35% tax as an ASSET to Professional Corporations…. LOL
House Speaker Witch Nancy does not want to lower Congress wages. It’s ok for everyone except our elite Congress boobs.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090312/ap_on_go_co/congress_pay
Oh yea, that 35% ALSO only applies to “Taxable” income… not from $10 – $10 Million as you referenced above…. AND your link also tells you that you can avoid some of the bad stuff by using the S-Corp status instead….
Since you are an Engineer and all, I KNOW you can read better than that!!
Well, my ride is here… Later Y’all!! have a nice evening!!
What does anyone wanna bet he’s still monitoring this thread but in order to avoid the truth, he says he’s gone. Pride comes before the fall.
What a loser.
Argentina parallel …to what is happening in the US today .
Argentina
Jeffrey Kuhner , Washington Times. 2/21/09
The disastrous path on which America is currently embarked was tried in another country. A fact not well known is that Argentina , prior to World War II, was an economic powerhouse. Beginning in the 1880s and continuing through the 1920s and 1930s, it was regarded as one of the most prosperous and advanced nations in the world. Then Juan Peron and his wife Eva took control in the 1940s until a coup in 1955 ousted them from power.
Argentina had a strong industrial base, thriving agricultural exports, huge cattle ranches, and a broad and expanding middle class. Like America , it served as a magnet for immigrants from all over the world, especially Italians. Within 15 years under the Perons, Argentina , however, went from being one of the richest to one of the poorest countries. To date it has never fully recovered.
Upon coming to office, Peron, along with his popular beautiful wife, Eva, created a state characterized by lavish social spending, elaborate welfare programs, protectionism, confiscatory taxation, and runaway deficits. Juan Peron used class warfare rhetoric. He attacked big business, the banks, the private corporations, and the propertied class. He gave the labor unions power and made them pivotal allies of his regime. Then Peron expanded the bloated government bureaucracy to intervene in every aspect of business and life, which led to internal corruption.
Peron’s central socialist economic planning destroyed industrial productivity and growth. The world’s investment capital fled. Taxes, inflation, unemployment, and interest rates soared and the middle class was wiped out. Finally, an independent judiciary and media ceased to exist. Eva’s cult of supporters fostered a climate of violence and political enemies of the regime were exterminated. Argentina degenerated into the typical debt-ridden Latin American country that it still is today.
The failure of Argentina under Peron should serve as a warning to us. Socialism and a sky-rocketing debt can permanently impoverish even the wealthiest of nations and America is not immune from the laws of economics.
Obama is taking the first dangerous steps toward an American version of Peronism. His followers see him as a political messiah and a revolutionary change agent. He and the Democrats are plundering the country, using it as a vehicle to reward supporters and punish foes. They plan to confiscate wealth by taxing the rich and successful business class. Obama’s plan to do away with secret ballets will strengthen the labor unions. His wife, Michelle, is the Eva Peron of our time, a glamorous, chic, socialist fashion trend-setter who is beloved by the media.
Just remember, “Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it.
“Well, my ride is here… Later Y’all!! have a nice evening!!”
Chas do you ride on the handle bars or do you try to straddle the rear fender?
Wow….Jefferson was Pro-Life!
“The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government.”
— Thomas Jefferson
I don’t know about anybody else’s Jesus.
My Jesus believes we are all brothers here,
and loving tolerance should be our style.
Pride and self rightousness do not fit in well with what I believe.
If you beliefs do not work for the general good of all, if you wish to tear down and not build up your fellow workers, then that’s not for me.
Chas, dondub, whoever here is fueding, I sure wish things were different for you. I urge you to re-evaluate how you treat others. Things are not good in today’s society, I urge you to find good, positive constructive things to fill your time.
Time is short, life is short and precious.
We should do the next right thing, whatever it is.
At the official halfway point of the President’s first 100 days, there seem to be two recurring themes: disregard for human life and abuse of taxpayer dollars.
Wow….what a guy little Barry is turning out to be.
Well, I guess someone better go tell the State Board of Technical Professions that that Chas just said engineers are no longer professionals.
That link I provided did not have a complete list and I was using it to verify the Federal tax rates on Professional corporations. It’s an asset for liability reasons which is something foreign to libs.
http://openlibrary.org/b/OL939154M
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Chas
Posted March 12, 2009 at 5:16 pm | Permalink
Oh yea, that 35% ALSO only applies to “Taxable” income… not from $10 – $10 Million as you referenced above…. AND your link also tells you that you can avoid some of the bad stuff by using the S-Corp status instead….
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I was referring to taxable income which was in response to your earlier post idiot. I bet chas thinks he knows more about running a doctor’s office than his doctor does too.
Frozen embryos that are destined for the trash don’t seem to be even potential human life, if that’s what you are alluding to.
About the money, POT, MEET KETTLE.
Hey Trace?
I’m optimistic.
I don’t guess you’ve been reading here. I myself got to participate in some good news.
That vile Fred Phelps gang came to Wichita to protest at a school! More, he specifically chose a location where his sick message could have been seen by kids from 5-18.
There was Shirley(I think) with a less than interested looking teenager and two bewildered looking little kids waving those signs we’ve seen so much of.
Except no one could see them. As those four were outnumbered about 400 to 4! More? Now while it is too bad that the counter protest went unnoticed, neither the Eagle nor any of the local TV stations covered Fred’s goons….at all. Not a line of print. Not a bit of video.
I wish all of my friends could have seen all those enthusiastic young people that day. It reaffirmed my faith in the future.
BlueJay sings…
And the future is electric youth
Boxlock: You missed one rather important bit about Argentina. Severe drought and locusts outbreaks crippled her grain and cattle production, but mostly because it’s total export market of Europe dried up when Truman pressured Europe to cut off Argentina because he felt Perron was a damn fascist, not socialist who hid Nazis etc. That caused the decline in what had been a rather good economic story, repatriating the railroads, energy etc. from foreign ownership. She was not much of manufacturing powerhouse in the first place relying on overseas markets for her agricultural based bedrock for standards of living and GDP. However from the Washington Times one must expect these slanted pro-Con “paid by the word to bolster my point” comments. Perron is still a saint to most folks there who kinda feel their country is doing just fine.
TARKUS, You sound much more like a preacher than chas ever has. I’ll keep him in my prayers though, it’s the least I can do.
Uh, yeah right…locust and drought brought down Argentina, how about today. I think socialism had much more to do with it and continues to today.
Leavitt says stimulus bill could lead to economic downfall
February 23rd, 2009
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=5672022
(KSL News) Former Utah Gov. Michael Leavitt says the recently passed economic stimulus bill could lead to the financial downfall of the nation.
Speaking this weekend at a meeting of the National Governors Association, Leavitt said he sees parallels between the current situation in the U.S. and the economic troubles that brought about the crash of Argentina’s financial system.
Leavitt also said that governors need to take actions to secure health care systems in their states.
Leavitt’s most recent position was that of Secretary of Health and Human Services under President Bush.
DonD thank you.
I’m not evangelistic though. Your beliefs are just that. I don’t do church very damned often either.
I may not be the brightest bulb in the box, but I do remember the crux of the message:
LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS THYSELF.
Jay, great to hear from you!
I wish I could have been there just to see the good outdoing obvious evil!!!
Not enough of that in the world, fer sure.
Berber: Your are right I did not read the same item you did, but both things I refer to to-day goes to the same point. I note from the article you cite the Maine DEP, on it’s website, suggests you get a mercury clean up kit and pat the area with sticky paper, but if you break anything bigger than a thermometer, call the Dept. of Enviornemntal Protection right away. Hmmmm….
My fiancee’s son was at the school too. That’s one thing we can agree on BJ.
I thought you fight wars to win. I guess not with the libs. More strings on bombs you can use.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090312/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_cluster_bombs_1
I just heard on the news that the space station was evacuated today because of a problem. Where the hell did they evacuate to?
“Where the hell did they evacuate to?”
The basement next door!
They call it an escape module.
Waterman and Washington: Upgrades will improve water service and arena area traffic
Reconstruction of the Waterman and Washington intersection began today. The improvements, which are designed to enhance arena-area traffic flow and water supply capacity to southeast Wichita, should be completed by mid-September, 2009.
The $2.8 million project will provide turn lanes at all four approaches of the Washington and Waterman intersection, and include a new storm water sewer system, upgraded traffic signals and wider sidewalks. A 48-inch diameter water line will be installed as part of a new supply line to southeast Wichita. Sedgwick County will pay $1.6 million of the improvement costs, and the City of Wichita will pay $1.2 million for the water line work.
Access to area businesses will be maintained during all phases of the project.
In the early stages, Waterman will be closed from Washington to Mosley (one block); northbound Washington traffic will be detoured at Lewis; and southbound Washington will be restricted to one lane for approximately 3 months.
In the second half of the project, both Waterman and Lewis east of Washington will be closed, and Washington will carry one lane of traffic in each direction for approximately 3 months.
George, no lectures about CBU’s please.
I worked there where they were made.
The type they are speaking of are obsolete anyway, it’s really a non-issue.
Newer munitions are designed to leave a “clean” battlefield, i.e, there is no unexploded ordinance after the battle.
Also, liberal is not a pacifistic thing.
BTW george, I knew a lady who was killed on the job making these, so maybe I’m a little touchy about this.
donndublin posted March 12, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Then there’s the catastrophic volcano near Seattle that will make Mount St Helen’s look small. We won’t have to worry about GW when it blows. We’ll be worrying about the cooling affect it will create.
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Is it likely to cause more cooling than the 1991 Mt. Pinatubo eruption? Is it going to erupt for many decades, until humans get the global GHG levels down?
DIRE EMERGENCY CANCELLED:
Obama Declares: Economic crisis ‘not as bad as we think’…
Does this man just say what pops into his head?
Does anything he says really mean anything?
I’d be embarrassed if I had voted for him. But since I didnt I’ll have to just be disgusted.
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cosmos_originally
Posted March 12, 2009 at 6:53 pm | Permalink
Is it likely to cause more cooling than the 1991 Mt. Pinatubo eruption? Is it going to erupt for many decades, until humans get the global GHG levels down?
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Okay, I’ll bite.
What does volcanic activity that occurs mainly underground have to do with humans causing GHG?
I think cosmos would try to connect bird statues and AGW if he could, probably already has.
I’m proud of voting for him Heck.
Sorry you’re disgusted but I can relate after the last 8 years.
As far as spouting extremely inane things, I refer you to the last 8 years.
Tarkus
Does he mean it when he says this is the worst economy since the Great Depression?
Or does he mean it when he says “it’s not as bad as we think”????
WTFO???
….teleprompter must have broken down…..
Heckler,
For O’Bama, it depends what audience he is talking to, he’ll tell them what they want to hear, which is not necessarily the whole truth and nothing but truth. O’Bama is the master of spin and side step.
…somewhere Bin Laden (if he’s alive) is saying “damn, I got that animal Bush. Why didn’t I just wait for this joker?!?!?
Wasn’t he being criticized for “talking down” the economy a few days ago?
Now he injects some measured optimism and he is criticized..
Fair and Balanced??
“Obama, speaking to top executives of the Business Roundtable, expressed an optimistic vision and called for patience.
Richard Parsons, chairman of beleaguered Citigroup Inc., asked if Obama could offer some help in a national battle “between confidence and fear.”
“A smidgen of good news and suddenly everything is doing great. A little bit of bad news and ooohh , we’re down on the dumps,” Obama said. “And I am obviously an object of this constantly varying assessment. I am the object in chief of this varying assessment.”
“I don’t think things are ever as good as they say, or ever as bad as they say,” Obama added. “Things two years ago were not as good as we thought because there were a lot of underlying weaknesses in the economy. They’re not as bad as we think they are now.”
DavidB
Why doesn’t he just tell it like it is?
But it might be tough to pass massive pork bills unless you scare the crap out of everyone….never mind.
Heckler, it’s politics. AS usual.
I don’t find anything that alarming about it.
Europeans Could Balk at Geithner’s Call for More Spending
The U.S. mantra of spend, spend, spend is starting to wear thin on the other side of the pond.
European countries appear to be at odds with Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner’s fresh calls to unleash more stimulus money and free up a half-trillion dollars to lend to struggling countries.
It could lead to a tense discussion as Geithner heads to Britain to meet with finance officials from the Group of 20 nations Friday and Saturday. Those meetings come ahead of an April 2 summit of the G-20 in London.
As the U.S. calls for more spending, more Eastern European countries also are coming to the table hat in hand, looking for financial help from the International Monetary Fund and other groups — but does the rest of the world have the money to give?
“We’re just getting into the worst of the crisis in a global sense,” said Ralph Bryant, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution who specializes in international economic issues. “Many developing countries … are just beginning to feel the really bad effects.”
cont’d at:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/12/europeans-balk-geithner-spending/
This is SO amazingly cool!
Who can doubt that they are intelligent? Are we watching them or are they watching us?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMCf7SNUb-Q
David one problem I have with Obama is the way he constantly tries to bring in W and the past to make himself look good. I will say this for Bush as much as he could have said about Clinton he never did. He took the high road. Something he got little credit for. Obama hasn’t let a day go by that he hasn’t dumped on Bush either directly or indirectly.
He has an arrogance that isn’t attractive. We didn’t see this during the campaign but he didn’t wait long to display it after taking office. Maybe it is a defensive measure because he is taking lots of criticism and he isn’t used to that.
He needs to understand the campaign is over, he won, Bush is back in Texas and He (Obama) is in charge. The budget bill just passed is his, the stimulous bill just passed is his, he needs to man up and move on.
BJ sorry your link is no longer working. Dolphins are amazing. My granddaughter got to swim with them this summer and they intelligence is amazing.
The simpliest finger directive is all that is needed to get them to do many things. When they want call them all in they put a white ring in the water and they line up around it until they are told to do something else.
Fascinating creatures.
I just clicked on the link and it worked fine.
It may be getting a lot of viewing as parts of it were featured on Countdown.
This is not simple play. They create bubble rings and then do unfathomably complicated things with them with the greatest of ease.
They create something, then manipulate it at will for their amusement. That’s fairly close to sentience.
BJ when I clicked on the link again it said it was no longer available. Are you accessing it from that link?
I just clicked it, here, again and it worked.
It’s probably busy. It should be.
BJ’s link worked for me. That maybe the only thing of or about BJ that works, but it worked fine for me.
A few years ago when my son and I were fishing in the Sea of Cortez we were returning from a day fishing for tuna and a large pod of Dolphins approached and surrounded our Panga.
They were playing with us, swimming directly in front of the bow of the Panga with us leaning out over the front watching them even though we were moving quite fast. They would race up close and ahead, then drop back and do it again. There were dozens and dozens of them. Beautiful, Free and Fascinating.
Anti @ 2:02pm: “And who the fuq peels grapes?”
I don’t know how old you are Anti, so if you are fairly young and never heard of Mae West, it is ok that you asked the question.
In one of her movies, she says to her maid: “Buleah, peel me a grape.” I know that just the line by itself doesn’t seem all that funny, but its context in the movie generates laughter.
What amazes me about them is how mothering they are. They sensed when a child was frightened and would swim up to them and gently nudge them so they wouldn’t be afraid and then they would swim under them and let them ride on their backs.
Hannah was 7 and she loved it.
THird time was a charm. I just watched it. BJ you did good. It was great.
OOPS, I mispelled Beulah, left that darn e out.
Professional Corporations
Certain professionals v those who must be licensed by the State of California to carry on their professional trade v may only incorporate their practice as a Professional Corporation.
Professional Corporations can not shield the professional from malpractice claims against them, stemming from the practice of their profession. However, a Professional Corporation offers the same protection as other corporations for all other claims against the corporation (other than malpractice).
Professional Corporations are governed by the Moscone-Knox Professional Corporations Act (Corporations Code ++ 13400-13410).
Currently, practitioners of the following professions may incorporate their practices as Professional Corporations:
Accounting
Acupuncture
Architecture
Chiropractic
Clinical social work
Dentistry
Law
Marriage, family, and child counseling
Medicine
Nursing
Optometry
Osteopathy
Pharmacy
Physical therapy
Physician assistants
Podiatry
Psychology
Shorthand court reporters
Speech-language pathology and audiology
Requirements for a Professional Corporation
In addition to being a member of one of these professions, a practice that wishes to incorporate as a Professional Corporation must abide by the following rules:
(1) The practice must be authorized to incorporate by the relevant professional board having jurisdiction over it
(2) Generally, only licensed professionals in that industry may be shareholders in the corporation
(3) Shareholders must maintain minimum amounts of malpractice liability insurance; the minimums are generally set by the governing board of each profession
(4) The purpose clause in the Articles of Incorporation must state the professional practice that the corporation will engage in – and only that profession may be practiced by the corporation.
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Anything in here that says this is a Partial Listing??? On the professions listed??
Regular posted March 12, 2009 at 6:58 pm
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cosmos_originally
Posted March 12, 2009 at 6:53 pm | Permalink
Is it likely to cause more cooling than the 1991 Mt. Pinatubo eruption? Is it going to erupt for many decades, until humans get the global GHG levels down?
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Okay, I’ll bite.
What does volcanic activity that occurs mainly underground have to do with humans causing GHG?
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Large eruptions (like Mt. Pinatubo) can inject aerosols into the stratosphere. Those aerosols can cause cooling while they remain in the stratosphere for a few years. That cooling can help offset the warming caused by AGW.
How noble that Bush did not blame Clinton for passing on to him a robust economy, a large job pool and a budget surplus…
Chas what you are missing is that they are many kinds of corporations. Cs, Ss, LLC, etc…
The link below is a good place to start. Donn was right is what he said about tax rates. Look at the double taxation for C corps. Also see how a S corp is taxing small businesses for money they never take out of the company. Under a C it is called owners equity.
This is a very informative site.
http://www.companiesinc.com/corporation/types.asp
David the ‘robust’ economy you refer to was a recession. You can state anything you like but you can’t change facts. The republican congress had dragged Clinton screaming and hollering to a balanced budget so things were in pretty good shape.
That won’t be the case here. Two much power in the hands of one party isn’t good. Be they dems or repubs.
DavidB
Posted March 12, 2009 at 8:44 pm | Permalink
How noble that Bush did not blame Clinton for passing on to him a robust economy, a large job pool and a budget surplus…
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And how noble that his staff smeared Clinton’s staff with accusations of petty theft and vandalism. yeah, Bush was real classy that way…
As far as I can tell, neither Obama nor his staff has slandered Bush with charges of vandalism and petty theft during the transition.
okobserver
Posted March 12, 2009 at 8:51 pm | Permalink
David the ‘robust’ economy you refer to was a recession.
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No, it was not a recession. Bush inherited slowing growth, but GDP certainly grew in both January and February 2001. January GDP was larger than December, and February 2001 was larger than January.
GDP was still growing when Bush took office.
According to the NBER, the recession began in March 2001, two months after Bush took office.
Pedant you are in denial. Thats fine. Keep your head in the sand. Bush was a person with class. Whether you liked his politics or not. He left the White House in a timely manner. Didn’t have a moving van in the front drive way where he was hauling off government things he would have to bring back as the Clintons did.
Anyway. Say and believe what you will but Obama is the prez now not bush. He needs to man up and handle the job. Stop trying to pass the blame on to someone else. He owns whatever is happening now. He signed a budget with almost 9000 earmarks making himself a liar early in his term.
Enough said.
Anti: 4:42pm post: “If the Libs see your post, they may black ball you…They hate me.”
Aw, Anti, not all libs hate you. I’m pretty liberal compared to many on this blog and I don’t hate anybody. I may not like what someone says or does, but it would only rebound on me if I hated because of that. Besides, I believe we are all sons or daughters of God, and I couldn’t hate family! I might want to avoid some of them occasionally, but certainly not hate them.
Looks like aggie and cosmos ( are they the same) don’t want to play. What a shock.
Not a problem.
Let’s just be clear, though.
Bush wasn’t classy enough to avoid slandering Clinton during the transition, and GDP continued to grow into Bush’s first term.
“You can state anything you like but you can’t change facts.”
–okobserver
Pedant,
Ok, give us a quote of Bush blaming Clinton.
Pedant I don’t have the facts in front of me right now and don’t have time to research it but what I remember is that Bush downplayed the accusations some staffers said about the Clintons. He also refused to let the media keep it front and center.
I could be wrong and will look when I have time but this is what I remember.
I’m sorry, a quote of Bush “slandering” Clinton.
Okobserver,
You are right. I don’t believe you can find very many quotes if any at all of Bush EVER blaming Clinton or “slandering” him as Pedant would claim.
However, lets see what Pedant can come up with.
SolDevVB,
I’m still waiting for you to respond to this.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/03/open-thread-312-2/comment-page-6/#comment-536085
Some EOP staff said they believed that what they observed during the
transition, such as broken furniture and excessive trash left behind, was
done intentionally. Incidents such as the removal of keys from computer
keyboards; the theft of various items; the leaving of certain voice mail
messages, signs, and written messages; and the placing of glue on desk
drawers clearly were done intentionally. However, regarding other
observations, we generally could not make judgments about whether they
were acts of vandalism because we did not have information regarding who
was responsible for them, when they occurred, or why they occurred.
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d02360.pdf
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Actually Pedant the GAO report that came out after investigation into the transition said that things did happen as you can see by reading the report.
Bush didn’t want to make a big deal about it and let it die and of course the liberal media never printed the truth did they or you would have known it.
I say again Bush was a class act and history will treat him much kinder than the libs treated him.
Nathan I couldn’t run off without finishing the story. As you can see yes the Ws were taken. Other keys were glued down. In all over $15,000 dollars worth of damage was done. Still the libs never knew this because the media was as tenacious as I was.
was not as tenacious
I really do have to go now.
I dove with a wild dolphin once in the Caymen Islands, he was obviously in captivity at one time, because he was way too friendly for a wild dolphin and allowed us to touch him and hold onto him while he swam around. I heard he has since gone back to the wild where he belongs.
I’ve attempted to swim with wild dolphins, buy they don’t let you get too close. They love the wake the boat creates and will often swim along side. I’ve seen hundreds of them in a group at a time, it’s a beautiful sight.
bush was too disinterested in the job to have much of an opinion on anything. That is why history will judge him the worst President in history.
nit-picking
What a total tard. Look at the lies cosmos. open your eyes.
It will be interesting to watch the Orlando pod going forward.
Perhaps they will learn to work in the bubbles, like art.
It is amazing to me the things that they do with a gas in a fluid and with nothing but the water currents from their blowhole and mouth.
Boclock: Once Argentina dumped the IMF stategies for growth life got better for our gaucho friends. Google the rise in GDP over the last few years…like I said, they’re doing fine, and Perron IS a national icon. Try to read balanced items and get more than one viewpoint on a topic old chap. Always read a history from a few sides to get at the truth, don’t rely on the propaganda sheets totally. But then again maybe you should stay your course, folks like you can take refuge from facts that way.
Dolphins are incredibly smart, they can sense when a human in the ocean is in trouble and will attempt to come to the rescue, and they will keep sharks away.
Bluejay I saw in Bush a man who was deeply involved in his job. A man who carried on his shoulders responsibilities we can only guess at. He made several mistakes when in office. Every prez has done this. He faced things no president before him was ever asked to face.
I see him as a class act. Much like a Truman who made decisions that weren’t popular he faced unpopularity at the end of his term. History showed that Truman while making a very unpopular decision, made the right decision.
This is what I saw.
You’re kidding right? He made “several” mistakes? His whole presidency was a mistake. History will not judge him kindly and I know he’ll always be at the top of the list for one of the worst presidents we ever had.
okobserver
Posted March 12, 2009 at 9:17 pm | Permalink
… what I remember is that Bush downplayed the accusations some staffers said about the Clintons. He also refused to let the media keep it front and center.
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The investigation was undertaken in response to a request from Representative Bob Barr, Republican of Georgia, one of Mr. Clinton’s harshest critics. ”The Clinton administration treated the White House worse than college freshmen checking out of their dorm rooms,” Mr. Barr said today.
The Bush White House was deeply disappointed with the report. Alberto R. Gonzales, counsel to President Bush, had demanded that the accounting office provide more detail, including the full text of graffiti and other messages that were ”especially offensive or vulgar.”
The accounting office said such details were unnecessary and inappropriate. But Bush administration officials said the details would have revealed the ”mind-set or intentions” of Clinton administration pranksters. Moreover, in a response much longer than the actual report, the Bush administration said, ”It appears that the G.A.O. has undertaken a concerted effort to downplay the damage found in the White House complex.”
In several instances, it appears, Clinton and Bush administration officials simply disagreed about the normal condition of federal offices. Bush officials said they had found offices full of trash, broken furniture and filthy carpets. Clinton administration officials insisted that the dirt and damage reflected normal wear and tear.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/flashback-wh-vandalized-in-transition
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Supposedly it’s an American tradition to pull these kinds of hijinks on the incoming administration.
For example. story has it that George HW Bush’s staff left desks piled on top of each other, to the ceiling, in the transition to Clinton. And there are stories that Reagan’s staff pulled similar hijinks on Smart Bush.
Augustus Stupidus was the first, and only, POTUS to complain about it.
Pretty classy.
The mistakes of the Bush administration is too numerous to even list. He did more damage to our country than any other president in my lifetime, including Nixon.
“May 18, 2001 the General Accounting Office issued a three-page letter that said that it was unable confirm the damage largely to a lack of records from the White House. The letter also said that the condition of the White House offices was “…consistent with what we would expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after an extended occupancy.”
http://talk.baltimoresun.com/showthread.php?t=182304
“He faced things no president before him was ever asked to face.”
No? What about the mess he left President Obama?
bush saw the Presidency as a series of photo ops and ribbon cuttings. THAT and doing the bidding of Daddy’s friends. No he did NOT expect the things that happened and he seems to have cared even less about them.
I am only willing to afford him that he was not a bad man in observing that he was too disinterested and incurious to be dedicated to BEING bad.
Mary I’m glad you’re still here. This is Tracy.
Hope all is well. Just popped in for a minute.
Talk to you later.
I don’t think Bush didn’t care, I just think he was too stupid to handle anything in an effective way.
The biggest ‘mistake’ was the supreme court intervening on W’s behalf.
Not constitutional.
Hey Tracy! Good to see ya…I’m not here much anymore…it’s gotten too negative and I do have a life.
The root word of “President” is preside.
I believe that is all bush ever intended to do. Preside over the actions as his makers worked to systematically dismantle and disable Government.
Sorry Oberman plays the damn video too many times and I get sick of seeing Limbaugh jumping around.
So to make the video more enjoyable I had to look this one up again! I laugh every time I watch it.
So cool!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsL_Qf-3cWE
” The bolding was mine. Your first clue should have been the “Emphasis mine.” At the end of each post.”
I knew who bolded the text, Sol. Like I said, my original post carried over the formatting, but it was lost when I copied the post from “post awaiting moderation” (which usually never comes)…
As I said:
“Lost the formatting. Note: In the original post, I preserved the formatting Sol did and added some in a couple of places. But, WordPress evidently doesn’t like ‘bast*rds’.”
The fact is, Bullwinkle, you remain clueless about the context of the quotes you provided, and continue to try to label the lion you pulled out of your hat a rabbit. Your bolding, when you preserved the context of the quotes, just makes you look even more clueless.
In that post, you provided confirmation that you don’t even understand what you are purporting to criticize.
“‘It is a bit of a stretch to claim three centuries of awareness of greenhouse gases contributing to a possible climate warming effect is several centuries old. I think it was Arrhenius who actually made a public case of it, in just a bit over century and a decade ago.‘
“You don’t see the problem with that?”
Funny rhetorical question, since you clearly don’t understand it. What do you think, the IPCC tried to pull a fast one and add a couple of centuries to make themselves look more credible? Only in Bullwinkle world.
By the way, you changed the bolded emphasis in this reposting.
Here is the original bolding…
“It is a bit of a stretch to claim three centuries of awareness of greenhouse gases contributing to a
possible climate warming effect
is several centuries old. I think it was Arrhenius who actually made a public case of it, in just a bit over century and a decade ago.
[Jerry Mahlman]‘”
“‘Status
Noted. Text has been edited.’
Emphasis mine.”
Here is what I said in response:
“The context of the quote is provided by the quote, the author was talking about the history of global warming theory. The bolding is typical of the nature of scientific writing. Conclusions are written tenatively. That is SOP for any scientific field. Where’s the ‘lie’ Bullwinkle?”
Just in case you were confused, I wasn’t saying that the act of bolding was typical of the nature of scientific writing. I was saying the bolded text, using the modifier “possible” was typical of scientific writing. Since that was the text you ORIGINALLY chose to bold, I am thinking you thought the term “possible” was a smoking gun. Only to someone who is illiterate in the area of scientific writing…
…which you obviously are.
I remember the stories (spread by that radio guy , among others) that the “W” keys were pried off keyboards at the White House. These claims were later found to be totally bogus.
Bush reminds me of the emperior without his clothes…everybody could see he was a moron, but he only surrounded himself with those who told him what he wanted to hear.
Bush only made a few disastrous ‘world changing” mistakes. The rest are negligible in comparison and can easily be undone, as Obama is doing daily… http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing_room/PresidentialActions/
Funny.. no comments from the Contras about the stock market performance in past few days as the economy is showing tiny signs of improvement…
Hypocrites… cite “evidence” until it no longer serves rabid partisan goals…
bush will always have his 28percenters to defend him. I’m just so happy those years are over so we can begin to clean up the many messes he left!
Mary_Caruso
Posted March 12, 2009 at 9:48 pm | Permalink
You’re kidding right? He made “several” mistakes? His whole presidency was a mistake. History will not judge him kindly and I know he’ll always be at the top of the list for one of the worst presidents we ever had.
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Mary I have to laugh at what you just said to Tracy. “Hey Tracy! Good to see ya…I’m not here much anymore…it’s gotten too negative and I do have a life.” And you guys really take yourselfs seriously. Thanks for the entertainment.
Tracy what you just said about the court decision was wrong in so many ways that I won’t even attempt to address them all. 1. Gore screwed himself when he asked for a partial recount and not a full recount. That is what the court addressed as being legally wrong. 2. Independent news reporters paid for a full recount of the state of Florida and Bush won.
The libs try to ignore these fact but truth is truth.
Bluejay you are of course allowed to have an opinion about Bush just as I am. I believe he was painted with a broad brush to make him look inept. The press was only too happy to do this and the democrats were only too happy to believe all they printed.
Yes Mary he made mistakes. Some more serious than others. The Iraq war in my view was a mistake. But I like many others including the top democrats in the nation thought at the time it was the thing to do. You don’t get do overs when you are prez.
Well I’ve had my laughs for the night. Carry on.
Linda as a proud 28 percenter I will just say that you will reap what you have sown and lady you have sown a field full of weeds. Enjoy today. Every day we see your hope and change becoming dimmer and dimmer.
Obama still has a chance to do what he campaigned on but I don’t think his arrogance will allow him to do this. As for his blaming others for the mess he has already made – well he had to do something. He can’t just vote present any longer.
I am patient.
David read the GAO account. The ws were missing from some keyboards. Are you guy really that dense. The evidence is there right in front of you and still you say it didn’t happen.
This is denial like I have never seen before.
Mary I just can’t stand the sunshine you are spreading while the rest of us are so ‘negative’ so guess I will go to bed.
You can’t recognize a lie because you lie to yourself daily.
Thanks for the entertainment.
Jim Cramer is just digging his hole deeper!
Okay, let us just agree: Bush was a class act while he wrecked America like a drunken driver…..
Source: Obama official on leave after FBI raids
Source: Obama technology official on leave after FBI raids his old DC office, arrests 2
Devlin Barrett and Nedra Pickler, Associated Press Writers
Thursday March 12, 2009, 6:38 pm EDT
WASHINGTON (AP) — An aide to President Barack Obama is on leave from his White House job after the FBI raided his old District of Columbia government office Thursday, arresting a city employee and a technology consultant on corruption charges, a White House official said.
The charges were lodged against the two men at a federal court hearing as the FBI finished searching the city’s technology office, which was led until recently by Obama’s new computer chief, Vivek Kundra.
Kundra is on leave from his White House job until further details of the case become known, according to a White House official speaking on condition of anonymity because the official did not want to publicly discuss personnel matters.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Source-Obama-official-on-apf-14623083.html
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Does Obama know anyone who follows the laws, pays their taxes and would make a good employee?
He was never a class act! I can’t agree to that part.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ux3DKxxFoM
Say it isn’t so! Another dimocrat that has bent the hill out of the law and used her influence to further her own financial gain.
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WASHINGTON — When Rep. Barney Frank was looking to aid a Boston-based lender last fall, the Massachusetts Democrat urged Maxine Waters, a colleague on the House Financial Services Committee, to “stay out of it,” he says.
The reason: Ms. Waters, a longtime congresswoman from California, had close ties to the minority-owned institution, OneUnited Bank.
Ms. Waters and her husband have both held financial stakes in the bank. Until recently, her husband was a director. At the same time, Ms. Waters has publicly boosted OneUnited’s executives and criticized its government regulators during congressional hearings. Last fall, she helped secure the bank a meeting with Treasury officials.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123682571772404053.html
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I could do this all night but it is getting old. The ’smart’ democrat party can’t find an honest politician and they call Bush a moron. Hummmm?
Well Linda a hard question for you? What moron thinks there are 57 states in our union?
Must be one of the dimocrats.
Did Obama even know the aid that was arrested? The Bribery case seems to not involve the White House official. Or so the FBI said it did not.
I admit I was wrong. Some “W” keys were pried off some keyboards by bitter Clinton staffers as they entrusted him with a robust economy, a large job pool and a budget surplus…
$15K in damages!! OUCH!!!!
And Bush’s tab?? Not even counting the four thousand dead soldiers?? What $24 trillion?? And his doubling the national debt?
All together now.. “CLASS ACT!”
BUT DOG… Okie must be cold and needs something to flame the fires tonight… Thats all she’s got… Nothing but whine, whine, whine!!!
And somebody who possibly saw Obama walk across a street on Chicago’s south side, Might have been in an armed robbery there over the weekend… Let’s impeach Obama!!!
Bunch of deflection, distortion, and downright slanderous crap out of Grannie and her kind… ANYthing to flame on Obama… at ANY cost!!!
GOOD NIGHT CONS and TROLLS!! May you have a good night, sleeping under the under your bridges, and flop houses!!
blessings to all!!
so mote it be!!!
well this might be an interesting take…. O’Reilly is going to be talking about the dust off between Mathews and Fleisher yesterday.
Good night all.
Repeating the 57 state crap again? You really think this Harvard graduate does not know there are 50 states? You do not know he corrected his slip minutes after the speech?
Please review Bush’s speeches and compare them to Mr Obama’s.
Please. Compare and contrast…
Try YouTube… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4-XOPeDDhw&feature=related
SolDevVB posted March 12, 2009 at 9:38 pm
nit-picking
What a total tard. Look at the lies cosmos. open your eyes.
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Yes SolDevVB, you’re nit-picking.
You’re attacking summary passages that were being corrected in confidential draft versions. And IIRC, some of those corrected passages were so unimportant they were completely omitted from the final published report.
You’re ignoring the peer-reviewed science published since 1970’s (and earlier) that supports the compiled reports.
And you’re ignoring the fact that you AGW deniers cannot refute the AGW theory.
You attack errors in the draft process of compiling the huge amount of decades of published AGW science — while you AGW deniers cannot even publish any credible scientific papers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bSi13Pw7ZM&feature=related
Priceless…
David I wasn’t the one calling Bush a moron. I just gave you back some of what you and yours were dishing. Doesn’t sound so good on the flip side does it?
Of course he knew how many states there are. Bush misspoke and was ridiculed forever for each one. Obama has four years and I am sure he will have other truisms and misquotes. I’ll try to remember how the dems handled Bush’s and treat O in the same manner.
Night all.
Nite nite Grannie Troll!!! LOL
Anybody got Bush’s “Fool me once” travesty?? LOL That one was just TOO funny!!
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The Management
Okobbie, you just seem out to twist stuff and flame people. Not that you’re the only one.
I’m reading Bugliosi’s account of the stolen election.
I trust his facts.
If you don’t agree, that’s quite OK.
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/bushvideos/v/bushfoolme.htm
TARKUS
Posted March 12, 2009 at 11:12 pm | Permalink
Okobbie, you just seem out to twist stuff and flame people. Not that you’re the only one.
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Then why did you pick her out? There are plenty of Libs here that do the same thing.
Why didn’t you pick one of them?
Chas is especially notorious for calling people names.
He calls Okob the “B” word and wench often.
I did point out that there are others.
Did not know that it was a she, but ok.
I don’t wanna be a cussing flamer, or deal with them.
Oko just happened to be the last post of that type.
If you would rather I not choose your friend as an example, I understand that. Human nature.
From Hannity no less!
41% of Americans thing Global warming is exaggerated.
But 57% of Americans say Global warming is underestimated.
When in doubt, and there is not much reason for doubt, we must defer to protecting the planet.
Your post seems to confirm her status as a flaming twister.
Thanks.
Same ol’ two faced Tracy.
TARKUS,
Regular falsely insisted that:
“The truth hurts when told, the Sierra Club screwed the Levees in New Orleans.”
For your enjoyment, some examples of Regular’s proof(sic) of his false claim,
“cosmos gasbagging his way to more one liners of attack. It’s not a wonder that cosmos large intestines are the size of fire hose and just as deadly with the expulsion of stinky fumes.”
“I have no idea why cosmos has such a ‘hard on’ for the Sierra Club. Maybe he’s a local president of them, I don’t know. But he’s definetely in butt lust with them.”
“Yet more of cosmos denials and lies and his incessant lustful butt thrusting about the Sierra Club.
”
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Regular (formerly JM, Republikhan, and other nics) has also posted that he represents “Kansas values”.
Hey Tracy?
Since you’ve been gone, a face has been put to “Regular”.
And amazingly enough, he has stuck in that nic, among others for more than a year. You may remember him as “JM” or any number of other nics.
Steven actually met the blog pariah. I myself got a good look at him.
Think a member of ZZtop is attacked by a dumpster and the dumpster wins.
Predictable…
BlueJay posted March 12, 2009 at 11:42 pm
From Hannity no less!
41% of Americans thing Global warming is exaggerated.
But 57% of Americans say Global warming is underestimated.
When in doubt, and there is not much reason for doubt, we must defer to protecting the planet.
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There is also a very large amount of uncertainty re the future affects of natural positive feedbacks — large amounts of GHG’s released from thawing permafrost, decreases in carbon ’sinks’, etc.
Hi, there Night Owls, Insomniacs, and Time-Shifters!
I just got off a Skype conference with people in Mumbai — they’re 3:30 in the afternoon and I’m 3 in the morning in Kansas; something like that — and have wondered if anyone else who reads WE Blog is around this time of day/night.
Anyway.
I just thought I’d share the link to Thursday’s show-down between Jon Stewart and Jim Cramer. This is un-edited and uncensored and has about eight more minutes than the Daily Show could fit into its half-hour.
You really don’t want to miss this.
Start here:
http://www.dailykostv.com/w/000988/
Monkeyhawk,
So I’m not the only person who posts early in the morning. It is around 4:30am now and getting close to my sleepy time. Yep, I feel a yawn coming on.
Sleep well, all who are still awake.
I was surprised at how easily Mr. Cramer capitulated. I expect more of a knock down type on Jon’s show. Jon certainly found some interesting video of Cramer explaining to someone how to do some things that were against the regulations and he would follow that with a remark that whoever was the regulator for whatever the topic was wouldn’t know anything about the results. Basically, he was teaching someone how to cheat.
Yeah, Cramer is just the kind of guy I’d want to have manage my portfolio if I had a portfolio to manange.
Wasn’t global warming supposed to bring increased hurricane activity? I mean according to the Goracle?
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Global hurricane activity has decreased to the lowest level in 30 years.
As previously reported here and here at Climate Audit, and chronicled at my Florida State Global Hurricane Update page, both Northern Hemisphere and overall Global hurricane activity has continued to sink to levels not seen since the 1970s. Even more astounding, when the Southern Hemisphere hurricane data is analyzed to create a global value, we see that Global Hurricane Energy has sunk to 30-year lows, at the least. Since hurricane intensity and detection data is problematic as one goes back in time, when reporting and observing practices were different than today, it is possible that we underestimated global hurricane energy during the 1970s. See notes at bottom to avoid terminology discombobulation.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/03/12/global-hurricane-activity-has-decreased-to-the-lowest-level-in-30-years/#more-6185
“When in doubt, and there is not much reason for doubt, we must defer to protecting the planet.”—BlowJ
Quit blowing BlowJ, you have no idea what is or isn’t going on and nether does anyone else for sure.
So…”we must defer to protecting” the economy and our way of life not risking harming people with increased taxes and restrictive regulation that will do nothing in all probability.
sursum,
Maybe you should take your own advice and look at several sides. Here are the facts I found.
Maybe you are taking refuge from them.
“In recent decades Argentina has experienced both inflation and recession. Privatization and other economic reforms begun by President Menem in the early 1990s produced unprecedented economic growth, but significant economic problems remained, including high unemployment and a massive national debt (due to freehanded government spending and widespread tax evasion). The economy was hurt by Brazil’s recession and currency devaluation in the late 1990s, but the pegging of the peso to the dollar combined with Argentina’s own economic problems resulted in economic collapse in 2001. The economy did not begin to grow strongly again until 2003.
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/world/A0856690.html
cont.
cont. pg2
“In the year 1989, when President Carlos Menem took office, the country had piled up huge external debts, inflation had reached 200% per month, and output was plummeting. To combat the economic crisis,the government embarked on a path of trade liberalization, deregulation, and privatization. In 1991, it implemented radical monetary reforms which pegged the peso to the US dollar and limited the growth in the monetary base by law to the growth in reserves. Inflation fell sharply in subsequent years. The government privatized most state-controlled companies, opened the economy to foreign trade and investment, improved tax collection, and created private pension and workers compensation systems.”
http://www.mapsofworld.com/country-profile/argentina1.html
Get it? “To combat the economic crisis,the government embarked on a path of trade liberalization, deregulation, and privatization.”
Not socialization and nationalization.
“While publicly identifying with the nation’s have-nots, the Obama administration has been cultivating the Beltway social elite behind the scenes.
Earlier this year, the Obama administration invited top editors of three of Washington’s local luxury lifestyle magazines — Capitol File, DC magazine and Washington Life — to a meeting where they discussed, among other things, how President Obama and first lady Michelle Obama can embrace Washington’s glittery social scene.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/13/everyman-obama-hobnobs-socialites/
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How dare business executives live a lavish lifestyle by fling on private jet and dining at exclusive resorts. Only the Washington elite are entitled to that. Pelosi has her government jets and Obama lives like a king while asking everyone else to sacrifice.
janeeyre,
Thank You.
I know who Mae West is but don’t think I have seen any of her movies.
Aggie, bless your heart, you’re making yourself dizzy.
1) “It is a bit of a stretch to claim three centuries… in just a bit over century and a decade ago.”
a. If a third grader got dates this wrong on a report, she would fail.
b. This is an obvious lie. What the lie is about is irrelevant. This body is supposed to represent the global scientific standard for global warming. But the can’t even get a date within two centuries? What else have they exaggerated?
2) The context of the quote is provided by the quote, the author was talking about the history of global warming theory. The bolding is typical of the nature of scientific writing. Conclusions are written tenatively. That is SOP for any scientific field. Where’s the “lie” Bullwinkle?.
a. You apparently did think the bolding was from the report even though you wrote latter : I knew who bolded the text, Sol. You supposedly pulled that quote from blogs.kansas dot com/weblog/2009/03/open-thread-312-2/#comment-536159 but as you can see, that quote does not exist. Shame shame on aggie.
3) The fact is, Bullwinkle, you remain clueless about the context of the quotes you provided,
a. Missing a couple centuries is pretty easy to spot. Did you have difficulty spotting it?
4) Funny rhetorical question, since you clearly don’t understand it. What do you think, the IPCC tried to pull a fast one and add a couple of centuries to make themselves look more credible?
a. A lie is a lie is a lie. This from what is supposed to be the most prominent scientific body on global warming. You’d think they could get the accuracy closer than a couple centuries.
5) global land-surface sets have been able to increase the number of stations substantially’. … There has been a substantial reduction in the number of stations since 1980 … ’substantial reductions in numbers of stations, and in their reliability, since 1980’
And your response was:
Again, where did you get this, and who accepted the editing of the text (which basically discussed the nature of the basis of science, theory or observation-btw, I think the author here was correct as well). Where’s the “lie”, Bullwinkle?
a. It is pretty easy to spot: global land-surface sets have been able to increase the number of stations substantially’.
When in fact:
There has been a substantial reduction in the number of stations in their reliability, since 1980’
b. Sorry you missed that. Thought it was pretty clear.
I reckon that is enough for now. Maybe latter will talk about how the computer models have failed every time to date and how Hansen fudges his numbers.
“So…”we must defer to protecting” the economy and our way of life not risking harming people with increased taxes and restrictive regulation”
What a very tellingly selfish and short sighted sentiment. Defensively so too. As if “our way of life” was some sort of unchangeable, concrete bunker to shrink down into. This is a disease common among conservatives. You don’t even know what you said and you’re probably not open minded enough to understand it even if I tell you.
Oh good grief! Awaiting moderation AGAIN?????!!!!!!
Fix this!!!!!!!!!!!
Test
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(buuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrttttt)
Oh good grief! Awaiting moderation AGAIN?????!!!!!!
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It is a pain.
Forces you to use variations of the English language.
“Aggie, bless your heart, you’re making yourself dizzy.
1) ‘It is a bit of a stretch to claim three centuries… in just a bit over century and a decade ago.‘
“a. If a third grader got dates this wrong on a report, she would fail.
b. This is an obvious lie. What the lie is about is irrelevant. This body is supposed to represent the global scientific standard for global warming. But the can’t even get a date within two centuries? What else have they exaggerated?”
a. The reason why the original authors wrote three centuries is not clear. There was clearly a disagreement between the original author and the commentator. It does not mean that the original authors were “wrong”, but that the follow-up comment was more easily documented in the eyes of the reviewers.
b. You really are thick aren’t you (a rhetorical question, but one that is right on)? The IPCC left this open for comment and got it. If the agenda of the IPCC was to intentionally exaggerate, then why allow comment at all? Why make the change? Like I said, you clearly don’t know squat about scientific writing or the review process. And you continue to revel in your ignorance. Your claim that this is an “obvious lie” simply reveals you for the willfully ignorant, reading impaired doofus that you are. You don’t even know how to quote mine right.
“2) ‘The context of the quote is provided by the quote, the author was talking about the history of global warming theory. The bolding is typical of the nature of scientific writing. Conclusions are written tenatively. That is SOP for any scientific field. Where’s the “lie” Bullwinkle?.’
“a. You apparently did think the bolding was from the report even though you wrote latter : I knew who bolded the text, Sol. You supposedly pulled that quote from blogs.kansas dot com/weblog/2009/03/open-thread-312-2/#comment-536159 but as you can see, that quote does not exist. Shame shame on aggie.”
You apparently can’t read.
Here’s Sol’s post in question:
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/03/open-thread-312-2/#comment-536064
“It is a bit of a stretch to claim three centuries of awareness of greenhouse gases contributing to a
possible climate warming effect
is several centuries old.”
The bolding here, that I responded to, matches the bolding in the post linked to above.
When I talk about negativity, OKobserver, I’m speaking of the nasty way you and others like you are insulting toward anyone who doesn’t share your narrow political views, and the way you’re all praying for our president to fail. I’ve never seen any group of people who have such mean-spirited personalities, and who are so are filled with intolerance, hatred, and animosity. But what surprises me the most is how you all lack compassion for anyone who isn’t like you and yet you all claim to be Christian…..you have nothing in common with Jesus or live the way he taught us to live.
That’s why I’m spending less and less time here…I just get sick of the hypocrisy and mean spirited behavior.
The ‘jawless fish’ does not agree with cosmos that that AGW science is settled, but rather in a draft mode.
Usually they are spot on!
(smirks)
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