Will the regime change at the White House lead to more states approving the use of medicinal marijuana? Doing so seemed foolhardy as long as the Bush administration was raiding and prosecuting dispensaries in California and other states, which is why former Kansas Attorney General Robert Stephan’s advocacy of a medicinal marijuana law went nowhere in Topeka in 2007. But Attorney General Eric Holder has said the Justice Department plans to leave those operations alone as long as they comply with state laws. During his online town hall, President Obama drew the line at legalizing marijuana to fight the recession, though, saying he didn’t think that was good economic policy.
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We’ll see…
As if the alcohol prohibition were good economic policy. Well if you’re from Chicago….
The problem isn’t as big as the attempted solution. And the solution doesn’t work.
“as long as they comply with state laws. ”
Is this an issue of states rights, or is the Fed signalling that smoking dope shouldn’t be a criminal offense.
Wish they’d make up our minds. We can save the billions spent on law enforcement, incarceration, and rehabing offenders. On the other hand, legalization would be like legalizing cigarettes for the first time in 2009 – knowing full well the health care costs associated with smoking.
Doctors can provide THC in a pill. The medical use is a smoke screen for advocates of legalization.
So what’s really at play here?
Just what this country needs more use of drugs.
“more use of drugs”
The drugs are already here. Will allowing medical use of marijuana lead to more use?
This is just more wishy-washy policy on enforcing the laws we have on the books.
“Boxlock20″ gives us –
“Just what this country needs more use of drugs.”
So one must assume you, “Boxlock20″ would run out and buy a bong and a pound of Panama Red the moment it were legalized?
That the only thing keeping you from becoming a hopped-up Cheech & Chong clone is the law?
Yeah, I worry about that, too. Legalize marijuana and all the ladies’ quilting bees will turn into hookah parties in the church basement.
12 months imprisonment of a kid with a joint at a rock concert is a much more rational approach to the “problem.”
“Panama Red ”
Maui Wowie. Columbian Gold Bud.
I think Boxlock is more refined than that old ditch weed.
“American_Way” –
I guess I’m not up to date with the current product offerings.
I just remembered the song.
Oh I’m not up-to-date either. And yes, I just remember hearing other kids talking about those names in my youth. I understand today’s product is many times stronger than the dope people smoked in the sixties. You know, today’s leaders.
“I understand today’s product is many times stronger than the dope people smoked in the sixties. You know, today’s leaders.”
Another myth. It’s about two times stronger. Very strong strains are available. I prefer the old Columbian myself.
Monkey,
I don’t know that I would have a problem with the strictly MEDICAL use of marijuana if it is controlled appropriately.
Frankly, the problem for me is that you DimLibs expect those that conduct their lives appropriately to PAY for those that don’t.
You expect that in many areas of irresponsibility but most certainly drug abuse and addiction.
Alcohol is legal, and it is the most widely abused drug. With even greater availability of other drugs comes increased abuse and in turn need for treatment and it follows cost to those you don’t have the problem.
Many of the legal pain medications, especially the synthetic narcotics, are greatly abused and require treatment for that abuse.
Drugs, including alcohol, are a debilitating crutch when used irresponsibly.
I don’t care what people do personally, it’s none of my business as long as it’s not MADE my business, but if I’m being made to pay for it, it is my business.
“and it follows cost to those you don’t have the problem.”
should read;
‘and it follows a cost to those ‘who’ don’t have the problem.’
Amway,
“Doctors can provide THC in a pill. The medical use is a smoke screen for advocates of legalization.”
The dose of THC in Marinol is so small and hard to absorb, and its use is so regulated by the govt that it is for most purposes as useless as it is difficult to obtain.
Just another excuse for potheads to come up with imaginary diseases, get fraudulent prescriptions from careless physicians so they can smoke an illegal substance.
I’d rather see someone high on pot than drunk….they’re much less dangerous.
A doctor once told me that the two chemicals that keep the ERs in business are alcohol and testosterone.
Legalize. The only people that oppose it are the people that need to smoke it the most.
Or keep it criminalized and also, criminalize religion.
Not being a pot smoker, I can only take the word that the drug has been refined and strengthened. But even if it has, it is still more natural than some of the crap they prescribe and charge an arm and a leg for.
I just wonder how many doobers you can buy with what was given to AIG. Or Citibank. Or…….
I reckon us dimlibs are expected to pay for those who don’t conduct their lives appropriately.
“Is this an issue of states rights, or is the Fed signalling that smoking dope shouldn’t be a criminal offense” — American Way.
That’s two sensible thoughts you’ve had in a week American Way. I didn’t know you had it in you. The only way to find out is for a state to legalize it, then we’ll see.
If Dr. Feelgood over in Haysville had been writing prescriptions for medical marijuana instead of pain-killers pushed on us by the pharmaceutical industry, he’d have had a lot less dead patients.
I love the circular logic which seems to be so prevalent when marijuana is discussed whether it be in the context of medicinal or recreational use.
Q: What’s so bad about marijuana?
A: It’s bad because it is illegal!
Q: Why is it illegal?
A: Because it’s bad!
And on and on it goes.
Criminalization of pot has got to be one of the dumbest laws on the books. It’s the ultimate victimless crime. And then there are the forfiture laws that go with it. Get caught with pot in your house; they can take your house. Get caught with it in your car; they can take your car. What kind of justice is that?
“Is this an issue of states rights, or is the Fed signalling that smoking dope shouldn’t be a criminal offense” — American Way.
This administration has no concepts of ’states rights’, they don’t appear to have even read the Constitution, let alone adhere to upholding like they pledged to do.
I think Boxlock should be given a state to have and run for his very own, without the help of any federal government. It would be interesting to see how he does.
The big question? Would he close his borders and only allow those in who agreed with everything? Would it be a democracy, theocracy, or what?
Oops, I forgot to finish the thought/sentence.
“Would he close his borders and only allow those in who agreed with everthing HE DID OR DECIDED?
Or pith the ones who disagree?
“I just wonder how many doobers you can buy with what was given to AIG. Or Citibank. Or…….
I reckon us dimlibs are expected to pay for those who don’t conduct their lives appropriately.”
You are absolutely right. And those of us who were and are opposed to corporate bailouts as well as the social are being consistent.
I wonder if they legalize dope, if we will see a higher number of unwed mothers and abortions? That would cost the American taxpayers.
Stoned women might forget to put in their diaphragms, or put them in backwards. Guys might forget to break out the rubber. And girls might
forget to remind the guys not to forget to put on a rubber.
Or maybe I’m totally wrong. Maybe in their smoke filled haze they forget to have sex? Instead maybe they go out and consume munchies, which would be good for the economy.
American_Way
Posted March 30, 2009 at 11:13 am | Permalink
I wonder if they legalize dope, if we will see a higher number of unwed mothers and abortions? That would cost the American taxpayers.
Stoned women might forget to put in their diaphragms, or put them in backwards. Guys might forget to break out the rubber. And girls might
forget to remind the guys not to forget to put on a rubber.
Or maybe I’m totally wrong. Maybe in their smoke filled haze they forget to have sex? Instead maybe they go out and consume munchies, which would be good for the economy.
_______________________________________
Thank God such things never happen when booze is involved.
“Thank God such things never happen when booze is involved.”
It’s much worse. It works with scientific precision and mathematical exactness. The number of drinks determines how many ugly girls get laid.
Hm,
Based on Amway’s post, I’d think Republican women would be all over legalization.
But could you really smoke enough dope to make Malkin look good?
Coulter?
I was referring to your booze post.
Pot leads to carpentry and late bills, that is about it….maybe obesity.
The THC pill “marional” does not do the same things that smoking, eating ,or vaporizing.I think all of you who have never had to take other DRUGS like oxycotton or morphine for pain need to shut the hell up!I can smoke pot and take nothing for all my pain so I can go to work, clean my house, and take care of my kids.I also have ashma and have not had an attack since I’ve been smoking for 21 years!I could be a drug addict if I took all the painkillers the Dr.perscribes.I’d rather be ablr to work and not be on welfare and be coherant enough to take care of my kids.
Pre,
” think Boxlock should be given a state to have and run for his very own…”
Make it a small one. No doubt he’d shoot immigrants on sight, so it’ll have a lower population density than the Gobi. He can do whagtever he wants to (alone) and the rest of us will sleep a bit better knowing he’s out of range.
On the next thread down, there is a discussion about the new Obama cigarette tax – highest ever! All on the guise of the increased health care
costs smokers add to society. So why would we legalize another substance which will increase our healthcare costs?
Another revenue source for the government. I wonder if only poor people smoke dope? The tax on smokes is $1.01. I think that would be a very fair tax for dopers to pay on their evil weed.
Hey FFFFF! How much would you estimate you spend on Visine annually?
There is entirely too much profit to be had by keeping cannabis illegal. Google “asset forfeiture laws” and “privatized prison industry” for shining examples. Cannabis users represent maximum profit and minimum risk, plain and simple.
Also, for those of you who are firmly opposed to cannabis legalization/decriminalization, what are your views on industrial hemp? Please explain the rationale and justification for the ban on industrial hemp.
Predestined Posted March 30, 2009 at 10:26 am |
“Oops, I forgot to finish the thought/sentence.”
Boy, does that ever happen a lot.
Maybe you should think first before opening your big yap. But then it really doesn’t help those with big mouths and small brains.
“I think Boxlock should be given a state to have and run for his very own, without the help of any federal government. It would be interesting to see how he does.”—Predestined
Hey, I’m game….you think you’re are a real-hot shot so get on that would ya.
It would be conservative libertarian in political posture. I wouldn’t have to control who came in as the DimLibs would be so uncomfortable they would stay the he11 out all by themselves.
You see there would be no government nanny teat to suckle on.
“Boxlock20″ –
I seem to remember you retreating from this forum last night because you had lots of “work” today.
Turns out you have plenty of time today between your toils to snark out insults and anger… just like every other day (and night).
You’ve frequently admitted your participation in WE Blog is to lure the “libs” into your spite fests; the classic definition of an Internet troll.
How proud you must be of yourself.
Home for lunch dunce, remember I work from my home and my car.
But you keep trying monkey, it amuses me.
If you troubled yourself to read closely, I know that’s tough for you monkey, you would see my “toils to snark out insults and anger” are in response to the same being thrown at me first.
I’m just obliging.
You seem to get heated over it simply because I win at it is all.
“Lunch” at 2:41 pm.
That’s not brunch it’s… “lupper?”
I frequently don’t get to eat lunch until 2 or 3 in the afternoon, or at all, it depends on my appointments and who needs what. I don’t work 8 to 5 with an hour at noon. I work whenever I’m out, or whenever the phone rings. I even work the phone when I’m on ‘vacation’ out of state.
But, thanks for making the comment in what I consider to be a courteous and humorous tone.
There’s literally a thousand uses for hemp that could stimulate the economy that cant be ultiilzines as long as it is illegal
“Stir it up, little darling, stir it up!” B.M.
“Monkeyhawk
Posted March 30, 2009 at 3:04 pm | Permalink
“Lunch” at 2:41 pm.
That’s not brunch it’s… “lupper?””
Lunner
“Lunner”–brian
Okay….I’ll take that one too. That’s what it is.
Boxic,
6:58, 7:48, 7:51, 10:00, 1:50, 1:58, 2:41 2:46, 3:40….
It’s obvious you don’t work 9-5, in fact it’s obvious that you hardly work at all.
“Boxic,
6:58, 7:48, 7:51, 10:00, 1:50, 1:58, 2:41 2:46, 3:40….
It’s obvious you don’t work 9-5, in fact it’s obvious that you hardly work at all.”–Jerk, er Jed
Like I said Jerk, I mean Jed (Ha), I work from home on the computer and phone. I can go between them anytime I choose when I’m not on the road.
And though it may sound like bragging, or not, depending on your frame of reference, it yields a rather good income for me….how about you Jerk, I mean Jed?
Income isn’t everything, or even what’s in first place of importance, but it sure is an easy and unbiased way to keep score, and I’ll bet I’m dragging your butt through the dirt score wise.
I am flattered, and think it’s cute, that you care so much you went looking for all my posts. I must really have an effect on you…..GOOD!
…4:31, 4:49, 5:28….
Ya got something going for me there Jed?
You should know by now I don’t much like that perversion.
Queer you have the interest and time to wait, read and count.
But small projects occupy small minds I guess.
This debate is so old. The human brain developed Cannaboid receptors through evolution through the documented thousands of years of use that humans have used it. Marijuana is unique, there is no other plant that has cannaboids in it besides marijuana. Our brains have cannaboid receptors only because they evolved in our brains with 10’s of thousands of years of human’s using and ingesting marijuana. We owe a small part of our current evolved state to marijuana, the food we eat, alcohol, and everything humans have been putting into their bodies for millenniums.
Scooter,
There’s also the theory that marijuana evolved the cannabinoid resins through the process of natural selection and cultivation because the resins bind to already existing receptors. Or both. Symbiosis!
Scooter,
It’s also a documented fact that the leavened bread we eat, that’s mentioned so often in the bible, was invented by the Egyptians as byproduct of brewing beer.
Gee boxic,
I give you all of two minutes of attention and you’re all hot and bothered? I’m gonna have to watch out!
There’s a whole cottage industry in pills and potions and procedures to beat urine tests.
Most of ‘em, probably, are merely scams. But as long as there are geeks (and probably they’re the same geeks who invent and peddle drug-testing kits to employers and law enforcement) there’ll be people tokin’ an’ smokin’ and snortin’ all the way through life without a positive test result.
“I give you all of two minutes of attention and you’re all hot and bothered? I’m gonna have to watch out!”—Jerk, er Jed
That’s about 60 times more than the two seconds I consider you are worth.
Like I said;
Queer you have the interest and time to wait, read and count.
But small projects occupy small minds I guess.