Open thread 2/28

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  1. XXX
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 6:01 am | Permalink

    2. Maggotpunk
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 6:09 am |
    Okay, now you’re done scrolling over here’s some of the latest science news. Wondering when your ancestors started walking on feet like yours? The answer, 1.5 million years ago (or as creationists believe, last August).
    Humans Walked On Modern Feet 1.5 Million Years Ago, Fossil Footprints Show
    ScienceDaily (Feb. 27, 2009) — Ancient footprints found at Rutgers’ Koobi Fora Field School show that some of the earliest humans walked like us and did so on anatomically modern feet 1.5 million years ago.
    Published as the cover story in the Feb. 27 issue of the journal Science, this anatomical interpretation is the conclusion of Rutgers Professor John W.K. Harris* and an international team of colleagues.
    Harris is also director of the field school which Rutgers University operates in collaboration with the National Museums of Kenya. From 2006 to 2008, the field school group of mostly American undergraduates, including Rutgers students, excavated the site yielding the footprints.
    More real science, not from a guy who hides from congressional subpoenas at:

    3. Heckler
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 6:30 am
    “Liberals insist that the war on terror be carried out with search warrants and indictments because of al-Qaeda’s Constitutional rights, but the Second Amendment has got to go because there’s violence in Mexico”
    teehee.
    4. writerdog
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 7:02 am |
    I swear Heckler you are going to turn me into a frocking Sybil saying things like that!
    5. Agnatha
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 7:11 am |
    Karl Rove chiding someone for using strawman.
    Irony is not only not dead, it is jumping up and down doing the can-can.
    I’d say Re: Hank
    DNFTTbyProxy but…oooops!
    I already did.
    No MORE soup for you.
    6. shavedclean
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 7:16 am |
    Rove is a criminal as is Cheney
    7. beber
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 7:30 am |
    Sorry, shaved. Sometimes I oversimplfy. It is a blog you know. Don’t need to be writing books here.
    8. shavedclean
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 7:36 am |
    No one gave me the rule book, sorry.
    9. biased1
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 7:44 am |
    L-RON_Maggotpuke-
    “journal Science”
    heheheheh…
    tin foil hat…
    hehehehe…
    10. BlueJay
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 7:49 am |
    Good day and welcome to the first day of life after the end of Bill O’Reilly’s radio career! “The Factor” is no more. Now Billo can devote more time to writing bad porn novels.
    11. Boxlock20
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 8:01 am | Permalink
    Psychiatrist: Obama corrupting America with socialism
    Book author warns economic ‘rescue’ will turn citizens into ‘wards of state’
    By Chelsea Schilling
    “Rossiter is a forensic psychiatrist and author of “The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness.” In his book, he explains how the kind of liberalism being displayed by both Barack Obama and the Democratic Party can only be understood as a psychological disorder. He examines how modern liberal collectivism undermines the legal and moral foundations of ordered liberty.
    “This is not a stimulus program that is going to work economically,” Rossiter said. “In the meantime, the character of the people – virtues of self-reliance, self-direction, self-determination, altruistic concern for others, charitable care for others rather than government-mandated welfare programs, regulation and taxation – all the capacities that made this country great are being contaminated.”
    “We are being corrupted by these programs.”
    “Rossiter said Obama has seduced Americans into believing he can deliver them from economic distress associated with the housing, banking and unemployment crises.
    “He has a particular gift for rhetorical speech that’s inspiring, seductive and inviting,” he said. “He’s a quite charming person in his manner. People have been looking for someone to rescue them, and Obama has presented himself as the hero of the day.”
    However, Rossiter predicts Obama’s collectivist rescue plan will end in disaster.
    “He’s headed for a very severe fall because the expectations are far in excess of what anyone could possibly provide,” he said. “We’ve reached the point where, not only can the economy not respond to the stimulus, we have an incredible amount of debt. The entire project is going to collapse, and he will be humiliated.”
    Human nature is not conducive to socialism, Rossiter warned. Imposition of a collectivist system and policies encouraging citizens to seek help through government intervention and social programs may prove to be a death blow to the nation’s spirit and liberties.
    “If you keep trying to do it, you are going to destroy the character of the people,” he said. “You may be able to subjugate them and get them into this dependent state, but, ultimately, society collapses because it’s conceptually flawed.”
    While liberal policies eventually fail, he said the nation may suffer massive economic damage from oppressive taxation, stifling regulation and depreciated currencies; massive political damage in the form of irrational expectations of what government can and should do for the people; and, most of all, the permanent corruption of citizens by destroying their reverence for self-reliance, voluntary cooperation and genuine altruism.
    In his book, he reveals how the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:
    * creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
    * satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;
    * augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
    * rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government.
    Rossiter said the good news is that the collectivist agenda always self-destructs because it profoundly misconceives human nature and the human condition, but it will not do so before great damage has been done. It will attack the moral and ethical foundations of liberty, repeatedly violate the laws of economics and corrupt the character of the people as it invites them to become wards of the state.”
    Wake up America before we all find ourselves on our deathbed.
    12. biased1
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 8:02 am |
    Bluejerk- Good day and welcome to the first day of life after the end of Bill O’Reilly’s radio career! “The Factor” is no more. Now Billo can devote more time to writing bad porn novels.
    ——————————-
    And the beginning os the end for free speech…..
    Sieg Heil !!
    13. Boxlock20
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 8:03 am |
    “* creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
    * satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;
    * augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
    * rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government. ”
    Wow….that describes BlueJay EXACTLY
    14. BlueJay
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 8:18 am |
    heh heh HEH
    At last Billo is no more. I wonder if Levin will be the next to go? Perhaps detonating into a foul smelling cloud.
    15. biased1
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 8:21 am |
    Bluejerk- detonating into a foul smelling cloud.
    and change his name to Olbermann?
    16. outlander
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 8:25 am |
    Hey WEBlog; where everyone is a racist, sexist, homophobe based on the sensitivities of the hearer. Harry Callahan has a message for you.
    Eastwood thinks political correctness has made society humourless
    Fri, Feb 27 01:15 PM
    London, February 27 (ANI): Acting legend Clint Eastwood , 79, apparently believes that political correctness has rendered modern society humourless, for he accuses younger generations of spending too much time trying to avoid being offensive.
    The Dirty Harry star insists that he should be able to tell harmless jokes about nationality without fearing that people may brand him “a racist”.
    “People have lost their sense of humour. In former times we constantly made jokes about different races. You can only tell them today with one hand over your mouth or you will be insulted as a racist,” the Daily Express quoted him as saying.
    “I find that ridiculous. In those earlier days every friendly clique had a ‘Sam the Jew’ or ‘Jose the Mexican’ – but we didn’t think anything of it or have a racist thought. It was just normal that we made jokes based on our nationality or ethnicity. That was never a problem. I don’t want to be politically correct.
    We’re all spending too much time and energy trying to be politically correct about everything,” he added. (ANI)
    ANI
    17. biased1
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 8:27 am |
    Bluejerk wants everyone to speak for the new “fuhrer”…….
    or be silenced.
    Sieg Heil !!!!!
    Sieg Heil !!!!!
    Sieg Heil !!!!!
    18. ANTI
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 8:30 am |
    We’re all spending too much time and energy trying to be politically correct about everything,” he added.
    ===============
    Amen.
    That old bastid’s right.
    19. george
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 8:38 am |
    Good morning comrades. Obama spreading doom and gloom. I would say he’s right there with the news media. Here’s an article on how when the Messiah talks, stocks and confidence goes down.
    20. BlueJay
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 8:40 am |
    I think biased is taking this pretty hard!
    As the hours crawl toward Billo’s former air slot, biased must be rising to a nervous panic. WHO is looking out for him now?
    21. ANTI
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 8:42 am |
    BlueJay
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 8:18 am | Permalink
    heh heh HEH
    At last Billo is no more.
    ===================
    Looks like that frees up 3 hours a day of your life, BlueJay.
    Watcha gonna do now?
    22. BlueJay
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 8:50 am |
    Heh
    Biased sings…
    BILL! I love you so, I always will
    23. george
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 8:51 am |
    All aboard the Obama train to empty pocketbooks and freebies for all. The One knows how to play Robin Hood. Sooner or later his following will wake up and say he’s getting in my life and pockets. Lower taxes are the way to prosperity. No lib or dem has ever told me on this blog, at what point is taxes
    too high. Predestined
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 8:54 am |
    Here’s an article on how when the Messiah talks, stocks and confidence goes down.
    And the market shot UP every time Dubya opened his mouth over the last four or five months of 2008? In your dreams.
    Cons have VERY short memories.
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 8:57 am |
    Enjoy yourself with Rossiter’s fiction Box.
    24. fleettwood
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 9:01 am |
    “The Commerce Department report released Friday showed the economy sinking much faster than the 3.8 percent annualized drop for the October-December quarter first estimated last month. It also was considerably weaker than the 5.4 percent annualized decline economists expected.”
    It’s a twofer Tuesday. Double weird. Usually they are spot on.
    25. Regular
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 9:12 am |
    At this rate, Obama will surpass Nixon in the ’stagflation’ era. If the carbon tax ponzi scheme is passed, there will be deserts where gas stations once stood along with long lines and strip malls will be abandoned.
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 9:22 am |
    Karl Rove who routinely ignores Congressional subpeonas writes that Obama claims, “I reject the view that . . . says government has no role in laying the foundation for our common prosperity.” Who exactly has that view? Certainly not congressional Republicans . . .
    Ronald Reagan, 1st Inaugural Address: “government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.”
    and
    “If we look to the answer as to why for so many years we achieved so much, prospered as no other people on earth, it was because here in this land we unleashed the energy and individual genius of man to a greater extent than has ever been done before. Freedom and the dignity of the individual have been more available and assured here than in any other place on earth.”
    and
    “Every dollar the Federal Government does not take from us, every decision it does not make for us will make our economy stronger, our lives more abundant, our future more free.”
    Donald Rumsfailed
    “The Federal Government should be the last resort, not the first. Ask if a potential program is truly a federal responsibility or whether it can better be handled privately, by voluntary organizations, or by local or state governments.”
    Thomas Sowell, idiot CONmentator
    “The assumption that spending more of the taxpayer’s money will make things better has survived all kinds of evidence that it has made things worse. The black family- which survived slavery, discrimination, poverty, wars and depressions- began to come apart as the federal government moved in with its well-financed programs to ‘help.’”
    George W. Bush
    “Our new faith-based laws have removed government as a roadblock”
    “We have finally learned that government programs cannot solve our problems. Government can hand out money, but government cannot put hope in our hearts or a sense of purpose in our lives.”
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 9:26 am | george–
    Taxes are historically low in the United States right now, especially on rich people.
    26. outlander
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 9:28 am |
    Since our nation’s retirement plans are almost totally dependent upon the stock market, if Obama wants to be around for a second term he best see that his domestic plans and policies do not conflict with producing a favorable business climate.
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 9:30 am | Every local clique had a Sam the Jew or Jose the Mexican . . .
    Yeah. Our group had a “Clint, the shi*head.”
    What are the odds of that?
    27. outlander
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 9:31 am | Those are great quotes with a lot truth. Thank you Capn.
    28. Regular
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 9:32 am |
    #
    CapnAmerica
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 9:30 am | Permalink
    Every local clique had a Sam the Jew or Jose the Mexican . . .
    Yeah. Our group had a “Clint, the shi*head.”
    What are the odds of that?
    ———————
    Or Brad the ‘booger-eater’
    29. Pleefer
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 9:33 am |
    Gotta dig Eastwood, he knows Americans have been pussified. He knows Americans spend too much time and effort TRYING to be offended.
    30. ghotiphaze
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 9:36 am |
    Eastwood thinks political correctness has made society humourless
    Fri, Feb 27 01:15 PM
    Y’know, Clint was on one of the comedy shows–Stewart or Co-Bear, can’t remember–plugging that movie when it first came out and he said the same thing. You might start getting a source a bit more current. (not as bad as getting science lessons from a 3500 year old book, I guess).
    “Good morning comrades. Obama spreading doom and gloom”
    El-Ketta gonna git cha!!! Run! Hide! Hoard!!!!
    ’bout ’nuff said o’ that. You all lost all credibility on the fear factor canard.
    31. ANTI
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 9:36 am |
    Pleefer
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 9:33 am | Permalink
    Gotta dig Eastwood, he knows Americans have been pussified.
    ===========================
    True dat homes.
    32. Boxlock20
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 9:39 am |
    “Enjoy yourself with Rossiter’s fiction Box.”—bth
    Not only will little crap for brains Barry be a one term mistake, he will go out in flames and ridicule.
    That will not help the Democrats one bit.
    Hey Crapn, what’s a matter, a 79 yr. old actor got you riled up again…ha. Do you have some racial prejudiced yourself, or are you a hyper sensitive over reactive one yourself.
    I’m still laughing at YOU for your tantrum in righteous anger over a video you didn’t even understand or interpret accurately.
    What a nitwit.
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 9:43 am |
    Box–
    I was refuting Rove’s point.
    Guess you couldn’t see it.
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 9:44 am |
    As for your racist video, yeah, I don’t suffer that sh*t lightly, as no real American would.
    33. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 9:46 am |
    “little crap for brains Barry”
    So much for the cons not calling names as amway and reg tried to convince us of yesterday.
    How very christian of you bigotbawks.
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 9:49 am |
    “Not only will little crap for brains Barry be a one term mistake.”
    This from the guy who thought that McCain would win the election.
    Heh.
    34. Boxlock20
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 9:49 am |
    “As for your racist video, yeah, I don’t suffer that sh*t lightly, as no real American would.”===Capn
    It wasn’taa racist video, but you sure were able to falsely make it so in your mind.
    Sounds to me like a case of major feelings of inadequacy on your part, and inability to laugh anytime you think your worth is challenged in your own mind. Must be tough to live there.
    35. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 9:50 am |
    “Psychiatrist: Obama corrupting America with socialism”
    Bigotbawks source? World Nut Daily?
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAHAH
    36. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 9:52 am |
    I guess now we know why bigotbawks doesnt post his sources. He’s ashamed.
    And where is fleetie to call him out on the source?
    37. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 9:52 am |
    IOKIYAAR
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 9:55 am |
    “Major feelings of inadequacy . . . ”
    All too true, Box. I’ve resigned myself to the conclusion that despite my best arguments CONs will never see reason.
    I used to think that anyone could change their mind when their position is proven wrong, but now after many years here, I fully understand the mindless hatred of the right.
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 9:58 am |
    Although as for emotional “inadequacy,” those who like your “Tom Pain” demand racial purity are the epitome.
    Can anyone look at those pathetic KKKers or neo-Nazis and not see “I need to be better than sombody please!” written all over them?
    38. Regular
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 9:59 am |
    Frog went a courtin’ and he did ride, uh-huh
    Frog went a courtin’ and he did ride, uh-huh
    Frog went a courtin’ and he did ride
    With a sword and a pistol by his side, uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh
    He rode right up to Miss Mousie’s door, uh-huh
    He rode right up to Miss Mousie’s door, uh-huh
    He rode right up to Miss Mousie’s door
    Gave three loud raps, and a very big roar, uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh
    Said Miss Mouse, are you within, uh-huh
    Said Miss Mouse, are you within, uh-huh
    Said Miss Mouse, are you within
    Miss Mousie said, I sit and spin, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh
    Took Miss Mousie on his knee, uh-huh
    Took Miss Mousie on his knee, uh-huh
    Took Miss Mousie on his knee,
    Said Miss Mousie, will you marry me, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh
    Without my Uncle Rat’s consent, uh-huh
    Without my Uncle Rat’s consent, uh-huh
    Without my Uncle Rat’s consent,
    I wouldn’t marry the President, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh
    39. Boxlock20
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 10:03 am |
    “HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAHAH”
    And here’s where that obnoxious noise comes from.
    That’s the most intelligent way an ignorant jackass has of responding. Criticizing the source not what was said, yes the ignorant, childish way.
    But that’s what we’ve all come to expect from the chicken farmer.
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 10:04 am |
    Joe the Plumber (no longer a plumber; first name actually Samuel) popped into our town yesterday evening to sell his new book and to remind people that he’s still a plain and simple guy. Mission accomplished, on at least one of his missions.
    About 11 people wandered into the rows of seats set up hopefully in the basement of a downtown Border’s bookstore to hear Joe speak. Joe addressed them from behind a lectern and with a microphone, but that seemed unnecessarily formal.
    If you’ve already forgotten “Joe” Wurzelbacher, 35, of Toledo, Ohio, it just goes to show you how ephemeral the life of a plain-speaking, Republican Everyman is these days. Joe was the square-jawed guy briefly drafted by John McCain’s campaign to be its Voice of Regular Folks. Joe got a couple of news cycles’ worth of attention starting on Oct. 12 — he remembers the date clearly — when he was videotaped confronting Barack Obama about his small-business tax plans. He later called Obama’s plans “socialism.”
    Now, only a few months later, he’s kind of like a vestigial tail, a leftover artifact from a forgotten time. He’s Clara Peller, Willie Horton or Gennifer Flowers — names that are the questions in a “Jeopardy!” category called “Presidential Campaign Distractions.” To his credit, Wurzelbacher is hip to the audacity of hype: “I get e-mails all the time from people asking me when my 15 minutes is going to expire,” he grinned after his talk. “Sometimes they just write, ‘15 . . . 14:59 . . . 14:58 . . .’ ”
    *****
    Dude sold all of 5 books.

  2. Maggotpunk
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 6:01 am | Permalink

    Well, now we know why the cons are spending so much time online, they use Weblog as a break inbetween, er…sessions.

    Porn in the USA: Conservatives are biggest consumers

    Americans may paint themselves in increasingly bright shades of red and blue, but new research finds one thing that varies little across the nation: the liking for online pornography.

    A new nationwide study (pdf) of anonymised credit-card receipts from a major online adult entertainment provider finds little variation in consumption between states.

    “When it comes to adult entertainment, it seems people are more the same than different,” says Benjamin Edelman at Harvard Business School.

    However, there are some trends to be seen in the data. Those states that do consume the most porn tend to be more conservative and religious than states with lower levels of consumption, the study finds.

    “Some of the people who are most outraged turn out to be consumers of the very things they claimed to be outraged by,” Edelman says.

    More of the story at (and sorry cons, it’s not a porn link):
    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16680-porn-in-the-usa-conservatives-are-biggest-consumers.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news

  3. XXX
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 6:02 am | Permalink

    Now there’s a long scroll over, and I beat that fool Hank.

  4. XXX
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 6:40 am | Permalink

    ST. PAUL, Minn. — For the second time this week, the testimony of a key witness in Republican Norm Coleman’s Senate election lawsuit was halted over a failure by Coleman’s attorneys to disclose contacts she had with them before the trial.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/27/AR2009022701584.html?hpid=sec-politics
    __________________________________________________

    Jeez, Republicans just can’t get a break. It’s getting so you can’t hardly steal an election anymore.

  5. beber
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 6:53 am | Permalink

    http://www.kansascw.com/Global/story.asp?S=9899708

    Not much info, but….. Would Obama have the sense to shut down exports and close ethanol plants before it’s too late?

  6. beber
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:12 am | Permalink

    One of the most promising developments lies in a beaker of water inside a Florida laboratory. It’s an experiment called AEGIS — an acronym for Artificially Expanded Genetic Information System. Its creator, Steve Benner, says it is the first synthetic genetic system capable of Darwinian evolution.

    AEGIS is not self-sustaining, at least not yet, and with 12 DNA building blocks — as opposed to the usual four — there’s little chance it will be confused with natural life. Still, Benner is encouraged by the results.

    “It’s evolving. It’s doing what we designed it to do,” said Benner, a biochemist with the Gainesville, Fla.-based Foundation for Applied Molecular Evolution.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29430688/

    But does it accept Jesus as its savior?

  7. beber
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:24 am | Permalink

    Oh, the raptures of unfettered capitalism from China.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29435175/

    For your own edification, look up “Spice” incense from China.

  8. beber
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:26 am | Permalink

    http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2009/January/15010901.asp

    There, I did it for you.

    P.S. — it works!

  9. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:28 am | Permalink

    “Those states that do consume the most porn tend to be more conservative and religious than states with lower levels of consumption, the study finds.

    “Some of the people who are most outraged turn out to be consumers of the very things they claimed to be outraged by,” Edelman says.”

    But of course, it’s the gays who are destroying traditional marriage…

    How about a constitutional amendment banning porn?

    Nawwwww. Too many preachers would have to admit their addiction. Funny that terry and joe and phred never took up that cause!

  10. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:29 am | Permalink

    Heheheh. We cant have gay marriage because TRADITIONAL marriage is sooooooooo sacred to the fundies. Just ask Jenna Jameson.

  11. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:29 am | Permalink

    Hypocrisy, thy name is…..

  12. beber
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    Oh Fry the Duck up chicken lady. There’s plenty of porn sites for you too.

  13. beber
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    Jews in Iran:

    http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=189975

  14. Political_mama
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    Are there any documented cases of violence against the Jews in Iran or is this more about the COUNTRY ISRAEL’s acts?

    This is where I sit on the issue. Got nothing against Jews at all. I am upset with Israel as a country. I also don’t love Iran, either. I can say that none of them are behaving properly. Again, has nothing to do with what race or religion they belong to, but rather their acts as people or a nation.

  15. Political_mama
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    XXX WTF? Don’t troll up the board just to make a point. Gawd.

  16. Political_mama
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    Had the funniest thing happen at work last week. One of the women I work with happens to be a friend and neighbor. So we’re well versed on each other’s politics, she’s staunchly conservative republican but without the religion- ex Catholic.

    We’re arguing about whether or not to fire a worker who is just not a good worker. She’s making all these excuses for her, and I say “dang it, I’m supposed to be the bleeding heart liberal here, YOU are supposed to be the hard-assed republican. What happened to ‘personal responsibility?” She says “you’re really a closet republican”.

    See, to them its all about whether or not they like you. Not based on the quality of their actual work. Personal responsibility only comes into play if they don’t have your back.

    In the republican world, you’re going to go farther if you play nice and kiss butt- even if your work is only mediocre.

  17. Monkeyhawk
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    “ksfarmgrrl” –

    This is for you and your girls –

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/joyengel/sweaters-for-chicken-t7

  18. george
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    Obama & the dems shuts down the little red hens. The One is a true socialist. A modern day Robin Hood.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/29434104

  19. Regular
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:41 am | Permalink

    You’ll find PMom, that the higher one goes in management, the more political it gets. Not in the sense of Party politics, but in the ‘GOBN’ factor of common office politics.

    Some of the most incompetent people you’ll ever meet are in high positions. How did they get there?

    Well, they play golf, or they know someone that knows someone, they got lucky, they know something about someone, they have a magnet personality and the common sense of a tree stump.

    It ain’t fair you say and you’re right.

    I’ve seen decisions for positions based on whether a person ties a ‘Windsor’ or a ‘Shelby’ knot while tying their tie.

    Ever so often one gets a great manager, conscientious and a super efficient resource handler. Rare, but it happens.

    Then comes that rare occurrence when the worker out shines the supervisor. Not necessarily because they are a more diligent worker, but become they have the ‘aura’, hat is, the office political practice of building formal relationships (boss, superiors and networking points) faster and better than their own boss.

    Nothing new in what I said, just felt like saying it.

    Now, back to drinking coffee…

  20. Rage
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    Obama sets exact date for end of combat operations in Iraq!

    Hurray!

    But leaves 50,000 “transitional” troops in the country!

    Aargh!

    But those troops will be coming home too!

    Hurray!

    At the end of 2011!

    Aargh!

    But it means the expen$ive, bloody, shameful Iraq debacle will finally be ending!

    Hurray!

    We hope. . . .

    Aargh . . .

    http://www.credoaction.com/comics/2009/02/hurray_arrgh.html

  21. Phantom
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    Robin Hood has always been a personal favorite of mine.

  22. shavedclean
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    Those who state gay marriage is a threat to traditional marriages can never seem to come up with studies, reports or facts. I guess its a belief held on faith equivalent to when we couldn’t eat meat on fridays.

  23. Political_mama
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    You know Regular, I always kindof knew that happened. However, I never thought that I’d be in the middle of it. Here I am trying to reward good behavior, keep morale up by getting rid of dead weight, and I keep hitting this dang wall.

    I want people to succeed, I lay out my expectations, I play by the rules, I work hard, and I expect others to as well. Is that so wrong?
    But I also don’t kiss butt well. Perhaps I’m doomed, but I’ll have my dam dignity.

  24. Heckler
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    Man who turned the calender back to January. That cold is brutal after highs in the 50’s and 60’s.

    In other news, I don’t care who you are this schitt here is funny-
    http://olbroad.com/2009/02/27/obamarama-214/

  25. Rage
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:07 am | Permalink

    Political_mama
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    Fascinating post, PM.

  26. writerdog
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    The little town I was a Patrol sergeant in of 1,3000 had seven churches and the racist video you could rent had a bare breasted woman running down a beach for about 20 seconds. Dancing was banned within the city limits. AND the people of the town had some of the largest porn collections of anyone I have ever encountered. I was told by the Chief that one city council member had a room in his basement that was lined with book shelves of porn tapes. In all the time I lived in Wichita I never had someone ask me, “you ever seen a woman having sex with a dog? …. You won’t to?”. Its a billion dollars a year industry, I doubt that it was Ted Bundy alone that supported it.

  27. HDChaplainCorps
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    It is likely the assets of the McClatchy group will be sold off piece-meal. I wonder if enough republicans could buy the Eagle on the cheap?

    JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 12:30 am | Permalink
    McClatchy

    Is

    Diving

    Deep

    Falling

    Fast

    To

    ZERO

    http://tinyurl.com/bl8eu8

  28. Regular
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    You’ve been around some ‘interesting’ people Dog.

    Most people I know have video tapes and CD’s of music, children and grandchildren. :)

    Never was really attracted to porn or any of its configurations. Never liked looking at something that made me antsy and feel deviant.

    Anyways, that’s another story…

  29. writerdog
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    I once theorized that the reason someone was made a boss is because they were so stupid that if they were a common worker they would screw everything up. One of my mentor in business often said, “if your spouse complains that you spend more time with your boss then you do with them. If you go out to eat more often with the boss then you do with them. Divorce them! As they will be no good for your career“.

    Business came first, it came before a child’s recital, before a wedding anniversary dinner or a child’s birthday party. As there will always be another recital, wedding anniversary or birthday, his view of life contained far more certainties than reality does.

  30. HDChaplainCorps
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    Writerdog sounds more like a disgruntaled Underdog.

  31. HDChaplainCorps
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    Great link George. I am hearing dissappointment from Obama voters across a wide spectrum of people.

    “Noteworthy up here on Wall Street, a great many Obama supporters — especially hedge-fund types who voted for “change” — are becoming disillusioned with the performances of Obama and Treasury man Geithner.

    There is a growing sense of buyer’s remorse.”

  32. Regular
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    Wichita Animal Control Changes

    Changes in animal control and protection rules are being proposed by the City of Wichita Department of Environmental Services. Community input will be solicited through District Advisory Board meetings prior to presenting final recommendations to the City Council for consideration. Comments may also be provided using the following email address: AnimalCode2009@wichita.gov.

    The proposal includes new regulations and improvements to existing regulations including new pit bull ownership restrictions, amendments to allow flexibility with rabies vaccination schedules, new animal nuisance provisions, new dog park regulations as well as other rules associated with owning livestock, large numbers of animals and breeder regulations.

    “It is a comprehensive proposal that will help address numerous neighborhood complaints,” according to Kay Johnson, Environmental Services Director.

    The need for regulatory changes regarding pit bulls is illustrated by statistics compiled by Environmental Services. The department investigated 733 dog bites and attacks in 2008, of which 246 involved pit bulls. The Wichita Animal Shelter housed over 6,000 dogs, of which nearly 1,800 were pit bulls. City animal control officers collected more than 4,600 stray dogs or dogs running at large, of which 1,279 were pit bulls.

    The regulatory changes proposed by Environmental Services are intended to encourage safe and responsible pet ownership. The draft ordinance revisions dated February 25, 2009, may be found on the City’s website at http://www.wichita.gov.

    Additional information is available by calling the City of Wichita Department of Environmental Services

  33. Regular
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    ATTORNEY: What gear were you in at the moment of the impact?
    WITNESS: Gucci sweats and Reeboks.

  34. writerdog
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    I can not disagree with you there Regular, no matter how long I live there are times those I meet amaze me!
    Their contradictions are to the extreme at times, I do think that a small town often magnifies them though.
    The same up-right religious people that was the cause of the High school seniors not being able to have their Senior prom in town. Were the same ones I would see coming back into town at 2 or 3 A.M. from a night of drinking and dancing in the next biggest town down the Highway. The same cars I witnessed coming in at 2 or 3 A.M. Saturday night would then be parked in the Assembly of God parking lot the following morning. I try not to be all that judgmental as it is just human nature its just the facts.

  35. ANTI
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    writerdog
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:28 am | Permalink
    ===============

    Did Kevin Bacon come to your town and shake it up, you know to allow dancing?

  36. Rage
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    This would be great news if didn’t look exactly like the same maneuver Bush used with Jose Padilla:

    Terrorism Suspect Headed to U.S. Court
    Obama Orders Military to Transfer Case

    Marri’s legal status had been closely watched in part because human rights advocates used him as a test case before the Supreme Court. They hope to repudiate a policy that allowed the government to indefinitely detain legal U.S. residents suspected of conspiring with al-Qaeda without charging them with a crime.

    A decision to secure an indictment against Marri in a federal court in Peoria, Ill., probably will avoid a high court hearing scheduled for late April, in which the court could have set a precedent that would tie Obama’s hands in cases involving future suspects.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/02/27/ST2009022701728.html

    Aargh.

  37. Pedant
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    HDChaplainCorps
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:44 am | Permalink
    “Noteworthy up here on Wall Street, a great many Obama supporters — especially hedge-fund types who voted for “change” — are becoming disillusioned with the performances of Obama and Treasury man Geithner.

    There is a growing sense of buyer’s remorse.”

    That would be great news if true.

    However, I think the “hedge fund types” have a bit more room for remorse given the still-ok health of the options market today.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for capitalism and strong, vigorous markets.

    But the bottom of the stock market won’t be found until the options market totally blows up, which will lead to that remorse I mentioned above.

    I think the underlying strength of the economy means that the Dow could fall to 3500-4000 before “hedge fund types” realize there’s no more eezy profit to be made any more in shorting. I don’t think we’re there yet, though.

    Once we find the bottom, there’s only one way to go, up.

  38. writerdog
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    HD here is the perfect example of the too stupid theory, one place I worked the worst possible thing you could do was listen to the vice president in charge of production. He knew nothing of what the company did or how to do it. Yet he was everyday going around telling everyone how to do their job, what he told you was wrong but he would be upset and fire you if you did not do it his way! But of course if you did it the parts would be ruined and the next day you were fired for making a mistake.

    It is often the lower level of management that have the real knowledge and skills to make a company work.
    The higher up you go the less important a member of management becomes.

  39. Regular
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    writerdog
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    I can not disagree with you there Regular, no matter how long I live there are times those I meet amaze me!
    =====================
    Well, we see what we want to see and hear what we want to hear, for the most part.

    I’ve learned not to judge people who attend my Church. Doesn’t do any good and we all have things in our past we are not proud of or even would speak to anyone about.

    What never gets mentioned are the ‘true blue’ or the rocks of a church. These are people who attend to their ill members. They bring their meals to them, they pick them up and wait for them at the hospital if they have an appointment; they shake their hand and greet them with a friendly smile without commitment or ‘dealing.’

    The people who do child care on Sundays, without pay or benefit. They do it, because it needs to be done. The people who are there on projects for the needy or something that needs attention at the church building (leaks, cleaning, painting, etc.)

    These are the people I pay attention to. The rest of the bad stuff is gonna happen no matter what I do. I find favor in the good deeds of people, the ones who unselfishly work without reward, but do it because it needs to be done or someone is in need.

    That’s my focus and it makes for a less cynical mind. :)

  40. Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    Check out the following link to see a disturbing map of “Hate Groups” in the USA. http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp
    Note that Kansas has eight recognized “hate groups” including one Racist Skinhead group (Midland Hammerskins) here in Wichita. Makes you feel proud doesn’t it?

  41. Monkeyhawk
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    “HDChaplainCorps” bears false witness with –

    “I am hearing dissappointment from Obama voters across a wide spectrum of people.”

    The President has a 68% approval rating.

    Makes me wonder about your “wide spectrum of people.”

    You must be taking opinions from just about everyone …from Glen Beck to Sean Hannity.

    The Moose-Dresser is a tax cheat who couldn’t keep her daughter’s knees together. The Louisiana Exorcist came off as Dan Quayle’s dumber, better-tanned little brother. Mitt Romney is trying to survive losing half his fortune to Bernie Madoff, thankful his portfolio was diversified (the other half was with Allen Stanford).

  42. writerdog
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    ANTI
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:50 am | \l “comment-529153″
    writerdog
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:28 am | Permalink
    ===============
    Did Kevin Bacon come to your town and shake it up, you know to allow dancing?

    Oh ANTI I am so proud of my niece and her class on this one! They discovered the High school ag barn was 15 feet outside the city limits. So they had their prom in the ag barn and yes one of the songs played was “foot loose”. The churches and city council was so outraged at this that the following meeting they annexed a mile around the town as city limits! While a cop there I so wanted to arrest someone for dancing!
    It was illegal even in your own home with the doors locked and the curtains drawn.

  43. BlueJay
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    We just had, by far, the warmest February on record.

    But there’s no global warming or anything.

    Earth hour March 23 2009 8:30 local.

  44. Regular
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    We just had, by far, the warmest February on record.

    But there’s no global warming or anything.
    ====================
    Go stand outside for about an hour in short sleeves. Let me know how warm it is today. :)

  45. DavosRancheros
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    Great, now that footloose theme song is stuck in my head…who was that again…oh yes good ole Kenny the Loggins. LOL

    Get out Get out! Get out of my head!

  46. Pedant
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    Glad yall had it warm in Feb, atypically.

    Because it was also atypical here in coastal Virginia. As in cold, freezing cold.

    Last Sunday dawned sunny and cool, moving to cloudy and cool. I was in the grocery store in the afternoon when it began to snow, big fat flakes big as quarters. Cell phones broke out everywhere to confirm with whoever that yes the end is nigh since it’s snowing here in Feb. I believe I heard a snippet or two of “Does Jindal still do exorcisms?!?” in a couple overheard conversations, not sure.

    Very odd weather here, too.

  47. shavedclean
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    neither one warm week nor one cold week does not global warming make. It’s a series of years where the temperatures are higher then the years before. We’ve, meaning the earth, has experience many warming and cooling trends. Last mini ice age was in the late 1500s, early 1600s

  48. XXX
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    #
    Political_mama
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    XXX WTF? Don’t troll up the board just to make a point. Gawd.
    _______________________________________________

    But I did make the point.

  49. Regular
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    #
    DavosRancheros
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    Great, now that footloose theme song is stuck in my head…who was that again…oh yes good ole Kenny the Loggins. LOL

    Get out Get out! Get out of my head!
    ——————————-
    Whatever you do, don’t think about the Jeopardy theme song!

    :D

  50. shavedclean
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    or a pink elephant

  51. ANTI
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    DavosRancheros
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:10 am | Permalink
    Great, now that footloose theme song is stuck in my head…who was that again…oh yes good ole Kenny the Loggins. LOL

    Get out Get out! Get out of my head!
    —————————–

    No kidding! That was the first thing that popped into my noggin’ when I read Writerdog’s post!

    Oh the torment!!

  52. Regular
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Here ya go ANTI and DavosRancheros…

    :D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwBbMXYDsXw

  53. ANTI
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    Oh ANTI I am so proud of my niece and her class on this one! They discovered the High school ag barn was 15 feet outside the city limits. So they had their prom in the ag barn and yes one of the songs played was “foot loose”. The churches and city council was so outraged at this that the following meeting they annexed a mile around the town as city limits! While a cop there I so wanted to arrest someone for dancing!
    It was illegal even in your own home with the doors locked and the curtains drawn.
    ======================

    Sounds like Arkansas. I went to a wedding down in Magnolia a few months ago and the Churches had all the liquor licenses….Couldn’t get a beer in town!

  54. JMWalker
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    Smallwood, Kansas. Supposedly located in Comanche county. Two men who helped organize Comanche county, William H Horner and A. J. Mowry, created the town to swindle the state and county in the summer of 1873.

    They persuade one J.S.Cox, who was a buffalo hunter by trade, to become the city lawyer, of which he had no experience or training. In order to hold a county election, they needed 240 votes. They found an old copy of the St Joseph, Missouri city directory, and had those names transferred as residents of Comanche County.

    An election was held, in which all of Mowry’s friends were unanimously elected. A census taker, A.Updegraff, was appointed. Bonds were issued by the state and county to the tune of $126,000, and the two swindlers left with the loot, and were never heard of again.

    That makes Smallwood, Kansas, the only town in the state that never really existed.

  55. Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    Texas has numerous “dry” counties… no beer, no wine, no hootch!! Low # of DUI’s

  56. ANTI
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    Chas, this wasn’t a dry county or town. The city releases a set number of liquor licenses and the Churches get them before anyone else can.

    Church Mafia.

  57. ANTI
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    I didn’t think that kind of thing occured these days. I was wrong.

  58. Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    Let’s see ANTI… If that town had nowhere to buy alcohol… then I guess it was a “dry” town, eh???

  59. BlueJay
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    In 2007, one city took a stand.

    In 2008, the movement went global.

    Now, we have the leaders and the mandate to change our country and change our world.

    March 23 2009 8:30 join us.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjWD8pbK5t8

  60. ANTI
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:44 am | Permalink
    Let’s see ANTI… If that town had nowhere to buy alcohol… then I guess it was a “dry” town, eh???
    ==================

    You are impossible, Chas.

  61. Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    I was working in a county in TX last spring, where the liquor issue was on the ballot…. Liquor availability was one again voted down… by a margin of 3 – 1… There were hundreds of yard signs in the town I was in blaring “VOTE NO” on booze… I didnt see even one sign that said “VOTE YES”!!

  62. Monkeyhawk
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    Remember the old days in Kansas when it was “dry” except for private clubs and 3.2% beer?

    The Reverend Richard Taylor was a Methodist minister who headed the Kansas United Dry Forces. It was, in fact, a pastorate of the Methodist Church in Kansas. He worked up a coalition with the American Legion, since they owned the only private clubs in most Kansas towns.

  63. Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    “one again” s/b *once again*

  64. Phantom
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    Jindal’s parents were in the U.S. attending college (I assume on VISAs), so the question is will the progressive repubs run their ‘anchor baby’ for pres.?

  65. BlueJay
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    Uh and on March 28 2009 too.

  66. Pedant
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    JMWalker
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:36 am | Permalink
    …That makes Smallwood, Kansas, the only town in the state that never really existed.

    lol

    It really was the Wild West.

    One of the things I loved about the best television program ever, HBO’s Deadwood, was how farcical the high fallutin’ ideals behind American democracy were in fictional Deadwood.

    For example, in the television show the only reason Al “Swedgin” Swearengen supported Deadwood’s application for US territorial status was to keep his warlord-like powers there. Swearengen’s support for democracy was conditioned only on his self interest. I loved the way that Swearengen morphed from being easily the sleaziest vilest character in season 1 to becoming almost loveable in Seasons 2 & 3. That ain’t easy to write, btw (ask Predestined).

    Sure it’s highly dramatized to elicit certain subplots, but to me it rings true. Democracy is less about the interests of others than it is about self interest, at least in the American tradition.

  67. Pleefer
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    Treble ex,

    I don’t get “your point”???

    That you spend your morning’s, rummaging through yesterdays blog, copying and pasting so as to re-cap that days “discussion”?

    Help me out, I’m slow.

    Eastwood rules!…btw

    We ain’t a “democracy”…never were. That’s some more o’ that re-writing of history, Hollywood-type craftsmanship.

    Try …”and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands, one nation under Godzilla”.

    Although, the “Pledge of Allegiance” can die off and never be spoken again, IMO, Francis Bellamy was at least right in saying republic.

  68. beber
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    “Never was really attracted to porn or any of its configurations. Never liked looking at something that made me antsy and feel deviant.” — fibulus

    Fibulus lies even to himself; why Oh Children, do you suppose it makes him “antsy and deviant.” Do you suppose it could be because he is deviant. Hey Fibulus, what are those there configurations you know so little about?

    Haw, haw, haw.

  69. cosmos_originally
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Climate is very important.

    Droughts Ravaging California, Texas
    Schwarzenegger Declares State Of Emergency As Agriculture Is Hard-Hit; Parts Of Texas Are Driest In U.S. ‘
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/02/28/national/main4835584.shtml

  70. Posted February 28, 2009 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    There are numerous wildfires this weekend in TX… due to drought conditions….

  71. Pleefer
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    The only porn I fear is that “2 girls and a cup” thing…

    That just says something about our American “culture”.

    Or maybe that dude who sawed his own junk off…I don’t think I could bring myself to watch that one.

    If porn can help ugly dudes get laid (if only in their imaginations)…more power to ‘em.

  72. Pleefer
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    Droughts come and go…from the beginning of time. Remember those stories of them in the Biblios?

    What is your point?

  73. george
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    Obama’s huge budget! I think little, lower capital gains taxes. Leave the farmers alone. Forget higher tax on wage earners making more money than $200,000. Congress get out the way and let the small business thrive.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090228/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_budget

  74. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    XXX
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 6:02 am | Permalink
    Now there’s a long scroll over, and I beat that fool Hank.
    ———————————————

    Big Victory, in the life of XXX.

    XXX set his alarm clock and spent hours to copy and paste too!

    Good job, XXX!

    Congratulations on your beating of Hank.

  75. cosmos_originally
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Pleefer posted February 28, 2009 at 11:40 am

    Droughts come and go…from the beginning of time. Remember those stories of them in the Biblios?

    What is your point?
    —————–

    My point was obvious — climate is very important.

    It affects our water supply, agriculture, property, economy, lifestyle, etc.

  76. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    McClatchy Newspapers, Inc. MNI (NYSE) 4:52pm

    02/27/2009

    $0.49

    Change: -0.03 -5.77%

    THAT’S CHANGE FOR YA!!!!!

    (You know your stock price SUCKS when a 3 Cent change in Stock Price amounts to a 5.77% drop.)

  77. Posted February 28, 2009 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Hey, Pleefer… you ever run across the “Hollow Earth” theory?? Just wonderin…

  78. cosmos_originally
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    The most informative part of the fight against Obama’s budget will probably be how the lobbyists and special interests try to stop parts of it.

  79. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    HDChaplainCorps
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:32 am | Permalink
    It is likely the assets of the McClatchy group will be sold off piece-meal. I wonder if enough republicans could buy the Eagle on the cheap?
    ———————————————-

    Doesn’t matter how cheap McClatchy is, you don’t buy a company that’s losing money in today’s environment.

    It used to be that you could buy a losing proposition, take steps to make it profitable, and payback your investment. But not anymore.

    Today, you are penalized for being profitable. Penalized for taking risks and working hard and being successful.

    There is no HOPE anymore, at least, not in Government.

  80. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    cosmos_originally
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 12:23 pm | Permalink
    The most informative part of the fight against Obama’s budget will probably be how the lobbyists and special interests try to stop parts of it.
    ——————————————

    Where’s your link?

    Or did you dream that up yourself without copying and pasting? Wow!

  81. cosmos_originally
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    JimJohnson posted February 28, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    Where’s your link?

    Or did you dream that up yourself without copying and pasting? Wow!
    —————–

    Jim is jealous of people who can think.

  82. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    Political_mama
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:24 am | Permalink
    Had the funniest thing happen at work last week. One of the women I work with happens to be a friend and neighbor. So we’re well versed on each other’s politics, she’s staunchly conservative republican but without the religion- ex Catholic.

    We’re arguing about whether or not to fire a worker who is just not a good worker. She’s making all these excuses for her, and I say “dang it, I’m supposed to be the bleeding heart liberal here, YOU are supposed to be the hard-assed republican. What happened to ‘personal responsibility?” She says “you’re really a closet republican”.

    See, to them its all about whether or not they like you. Not based on the quality of their actual work. Personal responsibility only comes into play if they don’t have your back.

    In the republican world, you’re going to go farther if you play nice and kiss butt- even if your work is only mediocre.
    —————————————–

    PMom doesn’t leap to Globalized Conclusions from ONE incident, does she? No, say it isn’t so!

    Oh and PMom, why exactly were you discussing another employee with this co-worker?

  83. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    I had a conversation with HR about a woman who takes FMLA time the first week of every month.

    I didn’t ask, but the woman had disclosed to her supervisor that she had migranes and PMS once a month.

    Well, the women HR experts pointed out that a woman’s cycle is 28 days, not a month, and so these events should not occur the first week of every month.

    Just another case of someone taking advantage of Government Bleeding Heart Regulations like FMLA.

    Some like PMom seem to PMS 24/7, so for those, I would suggest permanent disability.

  84. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    cosmos_originally
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 12:43 pm | Permalink
    JimJohnson posted February 28, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    Where’s your link?

    Or did you dream that up yourself without copying and pasting? Wow!
    —————–

    Jim is jealous of people who can think.
    ————————————————-

    No, just surprised that you can post without a link.

  85. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    Will you Libs support Obama sending our boys over to defend South Korea?

    This will be Obama’s Iraq.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,502511,00.html

    N. Korea Warns of ‘Unpredictable Military Conflicts’
    Saturday, February 28, 2009

    SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea accused the U.S. military of making provocative moves along the tense border on the divided Korean peninsula, warning Saturday of “unpredictable military conflicts.”

  86. Pedant
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 12:47 pm | Permalink
    Some like PMom seem to PMS 24/7, so for those, I would suggest permanent disability.

    lol

    This is exactly the kind of behavior that earns certain self-professed Christians, and to a perhaps unfair extent their religion, the adjective “idiotic”.

    “And why behold you the mote that is in your brother’s eye, but consider not the beam that is in your own eye?”

    Jesus bro, talk about sufferin’ from what by all indications is PMS…

  87. Pedant
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    I guess in women it’s labelled “PMS,” while in guys it’s called “cranky old guy syndrome.”

    lol

  88. Regular
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    self-professed Christians

    That’s generally the idea of Christianity.

  89. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    If I interjected religious beliefs or moral decisions into the business world, I’d be sued 10 times before this Sunday.

    Pendent, if you have no experience with employees abusing the FMLA law, then you must not have been around much OR you are a part of the tin-cup holding crowd.

  90. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    Of course, the blind woman and the woman in the wheelchair come into work faithfully, very rarely calling in sick for anything.

    Not all take advantage of the system.

  91. Pedant
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    Pedant
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 1:17 pm | Permalink
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    You gotta admit it’s pretty funny (not haha funny, tho) to have a guy come here and gripe non-stop, truly 24/7 griping, who turns around and accuses a female of a case of 24/7 PMS.

    It ain’t exactly surprising, you know, that the GOP has 2 black guys and twelve women total in the whole party.

    Can’t honestly say I’m shocked.

    [moderated version didn't use the verb "to gripe," btw]

  92. Posted February 28, 2009 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    For some women, the physical pain and emotional stress are severe enough to affect their daily routines and activities. For most of these women, signs and symptoms disappear as the menstrual period begins.

    But a small proportion of women with premenstrual syndrome have disabling symptoms every month.

  93. Posted February 28, 2009 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Link >>>>

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/premenstrual-syndrome/DS00134/DSECTION=symptoms

  94. Pleefer
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Yeah Chas, I’m aware of that theory. The Vril and things like that?

    That’s entering David Icke territory…the reptilians and blood lines…ehhh, it’s interesting and makes you think. But that’s about it (to me).

    That stuff is interesting and I’m unashamed to get enjoyment from it. But it has nothing to do with the bankers and corporatists taking over everything. All of these elites are Luciferian (as described by Albert Pike).

    Here’s a film that I’m recently “getting in to”:

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-648657053090617863

    If you are really on “the good side”, you ought to watch it.

    I don’t subscribe to what you’re trying to imply. I don’t get into El Chupacabra’s or Bigfoot or Abominable Snowmen or aliens. I stick with schtuff that you can prove.

    But yeah, the hollow Earth stuff is just as interesting as reading Tolkien. The Sumerians wrote about Enlil and Enki, Sitchen went further with it…I dunno know if it’s “true” or not.

    The things that blow me away are the writings of Charles Hapgood (The Lost Continent of Mu) and Graham Hancock (Fingerprints of the Gods)…now those books propose “theories” that try and explain the historical fact that nearly all of the early civilizations had deluge myths and a “Noah” character.

    Also, read “Rule By Secrecy”, by Jim Marrs. That book was written well before 9-11 and spells out how and why 9-11 worked “just like a charm”.

  95. Posted February 28, 2009 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    “…the historical fact that nearly all of the early civilizations had deluge myths and a “Noah” character.” [Pleefer]

    For more on the deluge myths, see Joseph Campbell, The Power of Myth available at most book stores, and at Amazon.com…

    Google “The Power of Myth”

  96. cosmos_originally
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    JimJohnson posted February 28, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    cosmos_originally
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 12:43 pm | Permalink
    JimJohnson posted February 28, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    Where’s your link?

    Or did you dream that up yourself without copying and pasting? Wow!
    —————–

    Jim is jealous of people who can think.
    ————————————————-

    No, just surprised that you can post without a link.
    ——————————————

    Jim is obviously unobservant, and also unable to think.

  97. Pleefer
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    I do think, Chas, that flouride calcifies and hinders the pineal gland (the “third eye”, if you will). And therefore produces, ignorant and “asleep” people. Hitler used flouride with great effect in the Warsaw ghettos.

    So, if that is a JBS “nutty” concept, so be it. I’ll still use Tom’s toothpaste.

  98. Pleefer
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    But to me, the “myth” of a great flood is not a myth. It was caused by the last global warming period, thawing out the last Ice Age. Both of the poles are going through an Ice Age right now.

  99. Posted February 28, 2009 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    I always liked Arm and Hammer for toothpaste myself…

  100. Posted February 28, 2009 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    Maybe a pole shift, too, eh Pleefer??

  101. Posted February 28, 2009 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    Ice shelves are crumbling in the Antarctic, and sea ice is melting in he Arcic…. Ice Age could be ending….

  102. Pleefer
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    The pine cone is revered (for some reason), even at the Vatican…have you seen that HUGE one in Vatican Square? The Assyrians and Greeks, the “pagans” and Masons. Everyone loves the pine cone. Even those from Daylight Donuts.

    The PINEal gland?

    Seems to me that the gland has at some point had a use…maybe the bad people know its use.

    I dunno, but that’s the stuff that interests me…

  103. Posted February 28, 2009 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    The “Great Flood Myth” found in virtually every culture, seems to be some kind of story explaining a planet-wide catastrophe, in which all residents of the planet were forced to seek refuge, and then re-populate the Planet… or some planet…

    (See Jeremiah Stitchen on the Planet Nuburu….)

  104. Pleefer
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, pole shift! It happens all of the time, daily on the Sun, even.

    Now, “crustal displacement” (not to be confused with “Continental drift” ie; the breaking apart of Pangaea), now there’s a hoot of a theory. That’s the Great Catyclism that the Maya talk of and the Chinese, and the Hindus and the North American Indians…from all corners of the globe. They talked of the Earth being “upside down”. Just read Fingerprints of the Gods…you’ll get it and I’ll gather that you’ll dig it too..

  105. Pleefer
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Yeah Chas, I read Sitchin. Planet X? I like it because he’s getting his info (mostly) from the Sumerian texts. How the asteroid belt was created…by Tiamat being destroyed by Nibiru.

    The Bible talked of the Nephilim the sons of God, the giants) joining with the daughters of man.

    The Bible goes a lot deeper than the modern Church lets on or allows to be discussed anyway.

  106. donndublin
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    #
    BlueJay
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    We just had, by far, the warmest February on record.

    But there’s no global warming or anything.

    Earth hour March 23 2009 8:30 local.
    __________________

    uhhh your source?

    Since when did you become a expert?

  107. cosmos_originally
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    Pleefer posted February 28, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    But to me, the “myth” of a great flood is not a myth. It was caused by the last global warming period, thawing out the last Ice Age. Both of the poles are going through an Ice Age right now.
    ——————-

    Uh-huh. . . and Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, and the Great Pumpkin are also all real. /sarcasm OFF

    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2008/Fig1.gif

    (Or maybe Pleefer means the Arctic is “going through an Ice Age right now”, because this is February?)

    I bet humans thought it was very exciting watching the massive ice sheets SLOWLY melt during the end of the last Ice Age, causing the “great flood”.

  108. BlueJay
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Since when did you become a expert?

    At what? Reading?

    Ask Merril Teller 27 February 2009

    Warm February

    Through yesterday, 20 out of 26 days this month have been 50 degrees or higher. We’ve had 5 days in the 70s, 6 in the 60s, 9 in the 50s, 5 in the 40s and 1 day in the 30s. Our average high temperature so far is a whopping 57.9 degrees. The warmest average high temperature for February in Wichita is 48.6 degrees in 1930. If we reach our forecast high the next two days, we’ll still end the month with and average high temperature of 57 degrees.

  109. Pleefer
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Cosmo, explain to me, if you will, why Mammoth steaks are still served to order in Alaska. Explain why the Animals that are still found in the Arctic today are found with undigested food still in their bellies.

    The Earth makes moves as it wants, not as you “expect” them to.

    Einstein and Hapgood thought that the ice masses at the poles got to be so huge as to throw the lithosphere across thousands of miles. Thus bringing the poles closer to the equator and vice-versa. And that would happen in a very very very short length of time…in an instant.

    You just want humans eradicated. You want people dead because we aren’t very good care-takers of the spotted owl.

    Global warming and cooling are CONSTANT phenomenon and no amount of taxing us will stop it.

    You are much too dense to understand that Green Peace and The Sierra Club and the like are all, ALL funded by the same oil tycoons that you profess to hate.

    Al Gore is an old oil man himself.

    The world is upside-down, innit?

  110. Boxlock20
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Chas,
    I’m waiting for your answer from the other thread. Where can I come and hear the word of God from you? If you are what you say and seek to help people, myself being one of those you say is in need, then where can I come and receive it.
    Here, on WeBlog, I see you promoting the very things the scriptures renounce. I see you not saying “your sins are forgiven, go and sin no more” as Jesus said, but instead you say “you have not sinned, continue living anyway you like”. There is a big difference.
    If you the minister you say you are I am asking you, am I invited or excluded?
    If not invited but instead excluded then you’re are not the same person (preacher) here and also there, and you would be living a lie, a hypocrite in fact.
    The choice is yours, what is it?

  111. Pleefer
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Boxlock, you can be a preacher too!

    I got one of these things a few years ago:

    http://www.themonastery.org/

    You can “do” weddings and everything! And as a special bonus, you get good parking at hospitals too.

  112. BlueJay
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Hey Chas, agree to meet the bawkster. He won’t show up.

    For real fun, maybe we should invite bawks to our next lunch. I’ll eat his and make him hold my jacket.

  113. Boxlock20
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the tip Pleef, ha.
    Ya know I might consider it, I mean the Libs all think cheating and taking advantage is all conservatives do, but my faith is way to important for me to lie about it like that.
    What was that big lump in your cheek when you suggested I send off to become a minister? Oh…your tongue. Ha!

  114. Boxlock20
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    See how BJ needs to use imaginary visualization to make anything at all of himself.
    Again….pathetic.

  115. Posted February 28, 2009 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Bawks, if that is what you believe, then you wouldnt want to come visit our church… Our doors re open to EVERY body… Get it?? EVERYBODY!!

    Does your church teach you that you cant sleep with your wife during her monthly time?? Thats a bible teaching….

    Does your church teach you that eating shell fish is an abomination?? Thats in the bible… right in there with catfish…

    How about eating pork?? Does your church teach against eating pork?? Thats in the bible too…

    So, am I wrong?? or are you just cherry picking which parts you want to believe, and forget the rest??

    As I told you before, times change, peoples’ opinions of “sin” change…

    Does your church ordain WOMEN as pastors??
    Mine does… has for many years…

    So, if MY church has OPEN DOORS to ALL people, then why, with your openly stated bigotry and hypocrisy to SOME people… Why would you want to come visit my church??

    And you never answered that before either…

  116. cosmos_originally
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    Pleefer,

    Explain how changing the levels of Earth’s “greenhouse” gases would not cause Earth’s temperatures to also change.

    Explain why you believe that humans cannot cause something to happen, simply because it happened naturally in the past, before humans.

  117. Boxlock20
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think the Republicans are going to have to do anything to get rid of little Barry, his own party will be doing so.

    Charity tax limits upset many; The Washington Times:
    “Democrats and Republicans poured cold water on President Obama’s budget plan to cut down on wealthy taxpayers’ charitable giving tax deductions, the second of his ambitious cost-savings plans to earn lawmakers’ scorn, and underscoring the legislative minefield he is entering….
    From his plan to cut payments to farmers, which both parties all but ruled out this week, to his goal of a complex cap-and-trade system to control greenhouse gas emissions, lawmakers predicted Mr. Obama will have to survive challenges from political friends and foes alike.”

  118. beber
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    “Through yesterday, 20 out of 26 days this month have been 50 degrees or higher. We’ve had 5 days in the 70s, 6 in the 60s, 9 in the 50s, 5 in the 40s and 1 day in the 30s. Our average high temperature so far is a whopping 57.9 degrees. The warmest average high temperature for February in Wichita is 48.6 degrees in 1930. If we reach our forecast high the next two days, we’ll still end the month with and average high temperature of 57 degrees.”

    Be real interesting to see if the average lows come in at about average, though on most nights, the temperature has fallen below freezing. I haven’t had to scrape frost off the car window except for a few times all year. The reason is there is not enough moisture in the air to form frost. That might be the reason, too, for the high temperatures. Expect lows to actually be lower than average, if I am right.

  119. Boxlock20
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    I am asking you am I invited or not.
    It’s that simple Chas, am I invited or not? Where is it so I can come and learn too. You say I need help with things, so are you willing to help or are you going to put restrictions on whether I am welcome or not?

  120. beber
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    Where you always go, Boxcock, the rest area just north of Wichita, on I-135, stall number 3.

  121. Pleefer
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    Cosmos,

    I can’t explain it. Your “sides’” argument’s are all very reasonable, I mean, I agree that our human activities most certainly do contribute. How could they not? My point is that humans are not the sole factor in “global warming”. And the sky is not falling because of us, it’s happening in spite of us.

    As the Georgia Guidestones say, “we must get the world population to no more than 500,000,000 people”. And then we’ll be ready to take care of our Earth.

    Google that one…

  122. BlueJay
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Chas doesn’t have to prove anything to you bawks. Who are you? No one here has ever met you. Several posters have met Chas.

  123. Rage
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    test

  124. Boxlock20
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    You would know about that beber, and you seem to know the location well…I sure as he|| wouldn’t.

  125. Rage
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    Folks, a brief reminder: it’s up to us to keep these folks accountable. I think Eric Holder should resign.

    Some cases where Obama’s policies are like Bush’s

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OBAMA_CHANGE_NOT_GLANCE?SITE=ORMED&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

  126. Boxlock20
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    “Who are you? No one here has ever met you.”–BlueJay

    ‘Who was that masked man’?
    What are you talking about….whew?

  127. Boxlock20
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    “As I told you before, times change, peoples’ opinions of “sin” change… “–Chas

    Chas, I don’t care about that.
    What I care about is does God’s opinions of “sin” change?
    What say you about that Chas?
    As a professed minister do you say God’s opinion of sin changes?
    We can all see where this is going…I’ll let it rest.

  128. Boxlock20
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    In honor of the mother of the octuplets, Denny’s is offering a new breakfast meal:
    “You get fourteen eggs, no sausage, and the guy next to you pays the bill!”

    The new American way of living.

  129. XXX
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    This is one of the greatest responses to the requests for bailout money I have seen thus far. As a supplier for the Big 3 this man received a letter from the President of GM North America requesting support for the bailout program. His response is classic and has to make you proud of a local guy who tells it like it is.

    Dear Employees & Suppliers,

    Congress and the current Administration will soon determine whether to provide immediate support to the domestic auto industry to help it through one of the most difficult economic times in our nation’s history. Your elected officials must hear from all of us now on why this support
    is critical to our continuing the progress we began prior to the global financial crisis. As an employee or supplier, you have a lot at stake and continue to be one of our most effective and passionate voices. I know GM can count on you to have your voice heard. Thank you for your urgent action and ongoing support.

    Troy Clarke, President General Motors North America

    Response from:
    Gregory Knox, President
    Knox Machinery Company
    Franklin, Ohio

    Gentlemen:

    In response to your request to contact legislators and ask for a bailout for the Big Three automakers, please consider the following and please pass my thoughts on to Troy Clark,
    President of General Motors North America.

    Politicians and Management of the Big 3 are both infected with the same entitlement mentality that has spread like cancerous germs in UAW halls for the last countless decades, and whose plague is now sweeping this nation, awaiting our new “messiah,” President-elect Obama, to wave his magic wand and make all our problems go away, while at the same time allowing our once great nation to keep “living the dream.” Believe me folks, The dream is over!

    This dream where we can ignore the consumer for years while management myopically focuses on its personal rewards packages at the same time that our factories have been filled with the world’s most overpaid, arrogant, ignorant and laziest entitlement minded “laborers” without paying the price for these atrocities . . . . . this dream where you still think the masses will line up to buy our products for ever and ever.

    Don’t even think about telling me I’m wrong. Don’t accuse me of not knowing of what I speak. I
    have called on Ford, GM, Chrysler, TRW, Delphi, Kelsey Hayes, American Axle and countless other automotive OEM’s throughout the Midwest during the past 30 years and what I’ve seen over those years in these union shops can only be described as disgusting.

    Troy Clarke, President of General Motors North America, states, “There is widespread sentiment throughout this country and our government, and especially via the news media, that the current crisis is completely the result of bad management — which it certainly is not.”

    You’re right Mr. Clarke, it’s not JUST management. . . . . how about the electricians who walk around the plants like lords in feudal times, making people wait on them for countless hours while they drag ass so they can come in on the weekend and make double and triple time for a job they easily could have done within their normal 40-hour work week. How about the line workers who threaten newbies with all kinds of scare tactics for putting out too many parts on a shift and for being too productive. (We certainly must not expose those lazy bums who have been getting overpaid for decades for their horrific underproduction, must we?!?)

    Do you folks really not know about this stuff?!? How about this great sentiment abridged from Mr. Clarke’s sad plea, “over the last few years we have closed the quality and efficiency gaps with our competitors.” What the hell has Detroit been doing for the last 40 years?!? Did we really JUST wake up to the gaps in quality and efficiency between us and them? The K car vs. the
    Accord? The Pinto vs. the Civic?!? Do I need to go on? What a joke!

    We are living through the inevitable outcome of the actions of the United States auto industry for decades It’s time to pay for your sins, Detroit .

    I attended an economic summit last week where a brilliant economist, Alan Beaulieu, from the Institute of Trend Research , surprised the crowd when he said he would not have given the banks a penny of “bailout money.” “Yes,” he said, “this would cause short term problems, but despite what people like politicians and corporate magnates would have us believe, the sun would in
    fact rise the next day . . . . . and the following day a very important thing would happen. Where there had been greedy and sloppy banks, new efficient ones would pop up That is how a free market system works . . . . . it does work . . . . . if we would only let it work.”

    But for some nondescript reason we are now deciding that the rest of the world is right and that capitalism doesn’t work – that we need the government to step in and “save us” Save us my ass! Hell, we’re nationalizing and unfortunately too many of our once fine nation’s citizens don’t even have a clue that this is what is really happening. But they sure can tell you the stats on their favorite sports teams Yeah that’s really important, isn’t it?

    Does it ever occur to ANYONE that the “competition” has been producing vehicles, EXTREMELY PROFITABLY, for decades in this country? How can that be? Let’s see . . . . . Fuel efficient . . . . .Listening to customers . . . . . Investing in the proper tooling and automation for the long haul . . . . .

    Not being too complacent or arrogant to listen to Dr. W. Edwards Deming four decades ago when he taught that by adopting appropriate principles of management, organizations could increase quality and simultaneously reduce costs. Ever increased productivity through quality and
    intelligent planning. Treating vendors like strategic partners rather than like “the enemy.” Efficient front and back offices. Non-union environment. Again, I could go on and on, but I really wouldn’t be telling anyone anything they really don’t already know down deep in their hearts.

    I have six children, so I am not unfamiliar with the concept of wanting someone to bail you out of a mess that you have gotten yourself into. My children do this on a weekly, if not daily basis, as I did when I was their age. I do for them what my parents did for me (one of their greatest gifts, by the way). I make them stand on their own two feet and accept the consequences of their actions
    and work through it. Radical concept, huh? Am I there for them in the wings? Of course, but only until such time as they need to be fully on their own as adults.

    I don’t want to oversimplify a complex situation, but there certainly are unmistakable parallels here between the proper role of parenting and government. Detroit and the United States need to pay for their sins. Bad news people. It’s coming whether we like it or not. The newly elected Messiah really doesn’t have a magic wand big enough to “make it all go away.” I laughed
    as I heard Obama “reeling it back in” almost immediately after the final vote count was tallied, “We really might not do it in a year . . . . . or in four . . .. .” Where the hell was that kind of talk when he was RUNNING for office.

    Stop trying to put off the inevitable folks. That house in Florida really isn’t worth $750,000. People who jump across a border really don’t deserve free health care benefits. That job driving that forklift for the Big 3 really isn’t worth $85,000 a year. We really shouldn’t allow Wal-Mart to stock their shelves with products acquired from a country that unfairly manipulates their currency and has the most atrocious human rights infractions on the face of the globe.

    That couple whose combined income is less than $50,000 really shouldn’t be living in that $485,000 home. Let the market correct itself folks – it will. Yes, it will be painful, but it’s gonna’ be painful either way, and the bright side of my proposal is that on the other side of
    it all, is a nation that appreciates what it has . . . . .and doesn’t live beyond its means . . . . . and gets back to basics . . . . . and redevelops the patriotic work ethic that made it the greatest nation in the history of the world . . . . and probably turns back to God.

    Sorry – don’t cut my head off. I’m just the messenger sharing with you the “bad news.” I
    hope you take it to heart.

    Gregory J. Knox, President
    Knox Machinery, Inc.
    Franklin, Ohio 45005

  130. HerbertWestIII
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    Sebelius too be confirmed on Monday. America will finally see the “Wrath” we have suffered, here in Kansas. I hope to be able to meet and speak with Lt. Gov. Parkinson soon. I want to discuss some issues he can correct. Herbert West 3rd, {D}, Exploratory Campaign Candidate for a 2010 Bid for Kansas Governor. west.herb@yahoo.com

  131. Posted February 28, 2009 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    Regular writes, Never liked looking at something that made me antsy and feel deviant.

    So . . . how do you avoid looking in the mirror?

  132. Posted February 28, 2009 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090228/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_lobbyists

    President Barack Obama challenged the nation’s vested interests to a legislative duel Saturday, saying he will fight to change health care, energy and education in dramatic ways that will upset the status quo.

    “The system we have now might work for the powerful and well-connected interests that have run Washington for far too long,” Obama said in his weekly radio and video address. “But I don’t. I work for the American people.”

    He said his ambitious budget plan, unveiled Thursday, will help millions of Americans, but only if Congress overcomes resistance from deep-pocket lobbies.

    “I know these steps won’t sit well with the special interests and lobbyists who are invested in the old way of doing business, and I know they’re gearing up for a fight,” Obama said, using tough-guy language reminiscent of his predecessor, George W. Bush. “My message to them is this: So am I.”

    ******

    The difference between the tough-guy language of Bush and Obama is that the former meant nothing and the latter means something.

  133. Posted February 28, 2009 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    Boxlock asks, ‘does God’s opinions of “sin” change?’

    Since an all-perfect being cannot improve beyond perfect, the answer is no.

    Humankind’s understanding of God is perfectable, i.e., changable, however.

  134. Posted February 28, 2009 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    “What I care about is does God’s opinions of “sin” change? What say you about that Chas?” [Boxie]

    And this is my answer AGAIN >>>>

    Does your church teach you that you cant sleep with your wife during her monthly time?? Thats a bible teaching….

    Does your church teach you that eating shell fish is an abomination?? Thats in the bible… right in there with catfish…

    How about eating pork?? Does your church teach against eating pork?? Thats in the bible too…

    These are all things that people once believed God called sin….

    So, am I wrong, or are you just cherry picking which parts you want to believe, and forget the rest??
    ___________________________________________

    As I told you before, times change, peoples’ opinions of “sin” change…

    Deal with it, Boxie….

  135. Posted February 28, 2009 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

    Oh yea, Boxie… Does your Church ordain women Pators?? Mine does, and has for many years… decades even….

    Oh yea, try Pine Valley Christian… on E. 21st St. in Wichita….

  136. Jed
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    Boxic,
    Less than a hundred years ago, airplanes were considered sinful because they invaded god’s realm in the clouds. Less than a hundred years ago, churches preached that it was sinful for a woman to cut her hair or wear it down, or wear makeup of any kind, or expose her ankles. Less than seventy years ago, churches preached that antibiotics were sinful because they cured diseases that were obviously punishment from god. Less than sixty years ago, most churches were segregated and considered the civil rights movement to be sinful. Less than fifty years ago, women wearing pants were considered sinful and not allowed into most churches. Even today some churches preach that women are inferior and need to be ruled by men.
    Yes, the concept of sin changes. Mostly it’s what your neighbor does that you don’t.

  137. Posted February 28, 2009 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    Spot on Jed

  138. JMWalker
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    Allen Sherman, in his classic 1973 book, Rape of the A*P*E (American Puritan Ethic) , said, “All you have to know to understand the American sexual revolution, is America invented white bread.”

    That says pretty much everything one needs to figure out why, in the 60′ and 70’s, there was a sexual revolution: You can only keep em down on the farm for so long, before they figure out what’s under them knickers.

    Women suddenly figured out lifting their hind ends to accommodate the removal of said knickers was actually fun. They figured out wearing a bra in order to keep men from lusting was just a wee bit hypocritical. They turned on the lights and themselves, and had a ball doing it.

    And men still try to keep the glass ceiling intact. And we invented white bread. Pass the pumpernickel.

  139. Pleefer
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    I gotta agree with Jed.

  140. BlueJay
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    “Sin” is irrelevant.

    I mean, I’m an atheist, so of course sin is irrelevant to me. But as I understand the faith, sin is still irrelevant.

    Christ died for all sins. He’s a free pass. As long as you believe, you can do whatever you want. And, that is exactly what many fundamentalist Christians do. Hence all the greed and exploitation in our culture. Curiously, they seem to still see that OTHERS can be called sinful for this or that behavior that the same sanctimonious folks disapprove of.

  141. Barnie
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    Santa died for all your sins, accept Santa into your life, and repent your sins, and Santa will bath you in eternal love, and save your wretched soul from the tiny Elves, and you shall be forgiven by Santa, for being born a sinner.

  142. Barnie
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    Santa Loves You. WWSD? Follow Santa’s example, and give many gifts to everybody, and the world shall be in peace, if everybody gives gifts to every single person in the world. You will need several fleets of private jets, non explosive smart missiles equipped with parachutes, a few Trillion dollars in offshore accounts, the ownership of Wal-mart, and about 20 million child laborers, a Special Gift Forces military branch, and the consent of every country to drop Gift Bombs on them.

  143. XXX
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    “Christ died for all sins. He’s a free pass. As long as you believe, you can do whatever you want.”
    ____________________

    Um, no.

  144. cosmos_originally
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    Pleefer posted February 28, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    I can’t explain it. . . .
    ————

    Uh-huh. . .

    Pleefer posted: My point is that humans are not the sole factor in “global warming”.
    ————

    Correct! There are natural positive feedbacks that increase our contribution — such as more GHG’s from thawing permafrost, more water vapour, and albedo changes.

    The climate system is non-linear, so those positive feedbacks could have serious consequences in the future.

    Pleefer posted: And the sky is not falling because of us, it’s happening in spite of us.
    ————

    Right. . . the Earth is warming because it should be cooling with less solar activity, and because Pleefer “can’t explain it”.

  145. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    ANOTHER Obama LIE!

    You Dems only cry about bringing the troops home when a Republican is in the White House. The blood is now on Obama’s hands.

    And just think about all the Welfare that could have been handed out if it wasn’t being spent in Iraq. And the deficit, oh my!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/02/28/obama-considered-different-options-iraq-withdrawal-strategy/

    At stake was the promise that most defined and drove Obama’s presidential bid: to bring all combat troops home — effectively, to end the war — 16 months after taking office. The details he offered in an appearance Friday before Marines at Camp Lejeune, North Carolina, depart from that pledge in several ways:

    –The combat withdrawal will take three months longer than he promised. It is now to be completed by the end of August 2010, 19 months after Obama’s inauguration. Though what Obama emphasized most as a candidate was his determination to bring about a quick end to the war, in the fine print of almost all his statements was a commitment to flexibility.

    –The withdrawal will not happen at an even pace of one combat brigade per month, as he had repeatedly said. Instead, it will be backloaded. The force posture for this year and into the first few months of 2010 probably will be essentially the same as it would have been under Bush. Under Obama’s plan, troops will start leaving in large numbers probably only next spring or summer. The president intends to leave decisions about the pace to field commanders.

    –Even after the drawdown, a force of as many as 50,000 troops will remain, which has caused heartache among anti-war Democrats who wanted a fuller pullout.

  146. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    But Obama will keep his gun-ban promise:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1

    Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

    Previous Ban Expired in 2004 During the Bush Administration
    By JASON RYAN
    WASHINGTON, Feb. 25, 2009

    The Obama administration will seek to reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 during the Bush administration, Attorney General Eric Holder said today.

  147. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    But Obama will keep his gun-ban promise:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1

    Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

    Previous Ban Expired in 2004 During the Bush Administration
    By JASON RYAN
    WASHINGTON, Feb. 25, 2009

    The Obama administration will seek to reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 during the Bush administration, Attorney General Eric Holder said today.

  148. Rage
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    Max, shut the hail up.

    None of us care what you think.

  149. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    Daley’s failing gun laws
    February 23, 2009
    This is in regards to Mayor Richard Daley’s remark in “Burris questioned in Blagojevich probe,” (Chicagoland, Feb. 22), when he was asked about Sen. Roland Burris and he replied: “Three people got killed [last night]. Do you think the people who killed them care who is their U.S. senator?”

    No, Mayor Daley, they do not care. They also do not care that so-called assault weapons are banned both in Chicago and Cook County, actual assault weapons have been severely restricted since 1934. They also do not care that it was illegal for them to own any type of firearm in Illinois without a Firearm Owners Identification (FOID) card, or that it is illegal to discharge a weapon within the city limits. They also do not care that they most likely are too young to own a firearm by federal statutes. They also do not care that that is illegal to commit murder and the many other laws they surely broke.

    This leads me to ask you a question Mayor Daley: If they do not care about breaking the multiple laws that they did, why do you think the solution is to pass yet another law–a ban on so-called assault weapons that they will also ignore?

    Mayor, it’s time to admit that your long-time push for tougher and tougher gun laws is simply a failure. It’s way past time that you have the political courage to attack the true causes of violent crime in Chicago: gangs, drugs, poverty and the dismal failure of the Chicago school system, just to name a few.

    –Louis J. Berardi

    Downers grove, Ill.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/letters/chi-090223berardi_briefs,0,7695643.story

  150. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    Mexico’s bloody drug war is not the fault of ‘lax U.S. gun laws’

    February 19, 1:04 AM
    by Kurt Hofmann, St. Louis Gun Rights Examiner

    A gambit that has become popular of late with the forcible citizen disarmament lobby is blaming the violence in Mexico (which sometimes spills across our Southwestern border) on “lax U.S. gun laws.” Mexico, of course, has extremely restrictive gun laws and extreme levels of violence. One might think that this would be a pretty strong rebuttal to the idea of trying to control violence by passing more and more gun laws (as if using laws to try to rein in the behavior of the lawless makes any sense). Such an expectation underestimates the stubborn determination of gun law advocates, who somehow find the energy to perform the rhetorical gymnastics required to argue instead that violence in Mexico should be blamed on “weak gun laws” here, where violence is much less pervasive.

    For example, Frida Berrigan, of Foreign Policy in Focus, writes in her piece, “Too Many Guns” (not leaving any doubt as to where her bias lies, is she?:

    The violence is fueled in part by the high-tech, high-quality weapons bought at gun shows and shops in the United States. According to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, more than 90% of guns seized after shootings or police raids in Mexico or at the border can be traced back to the United States. Last year alone, 2,455 weapons traces concluded that the guns had been purchased in the United States.

    Where do they come from? There are more than 6,700 licensed gun dealers across four states within a short drive of the United States’ 2,000-mile border with Mexico — three dealers for every mile of border territory. Each state has its own set of laws for gun sales. California has instituted a 30-day waiting period and banned the sale of assault rifles; neighboring Nevada and Arizona have not. The ease with which huge numbers of deadly weapons are bought and smuggled has led law-enforcement officials to dub the region an “iron river of guns.”Hmm . . . “High-tech, high-quality weapons,” eh? There aren’t many guns that I would categorize as “high-tech”–when I think of technologically advanced weapons, I think of guided surface-to-air missiles and the like. Guns, after all, including the “dreaded” (by the gun prohibitionists) AK-47, can be cobbled together in crude workshops (YouTube video)–some in caves–in Pakistan, by old men and young boys.

    http://www.examiner.com/x-2581-St-Louis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m2d19-Mexicos-bloody-drug-war-is-not-the-fault-of-lax-US-gun-laws

  151. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps, rather than “high-tech” weapons, she means “powerful” weapons–weapons like those described in “Mexico: The Third War”:

    In fact, just last week we noted two separate strings of grenade attacks directed against police in Durango and Michoacan states. In the Michoacan incident, police in Uruapan and Lazaro Cardenas were targeted by three grenade attacks during a 12-hour period. Then on Feb. 17, a major firefight occurred just across the border from the United States in Reynosa, when Mexican authorities attempted to apprehend several armed men seen riding in a vehicle. The men fled to a nearby residence and engaged the pursuing police with gunfire, hand grenades and rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs). After the incident, in which five cartel gunmen were killed and several gunmen, cops, soldiers and civilians were wounded, authorities recovered a 60 mm mortar, five RPG rounds and two fragmentation grenades.I won’t try to deny that grenades, RPGs, and mortars are indeed pretty powerful weapons–they’re also weapons you won’t find at any U.S. gun shop, or even at those terrible gun shows (sometimes referred to as “damned American gun shows”).

    In a bizarre new twist, Congressman Eliot Engel (D-NY) is arguing that to stop the supposed exportation of so-called “assault weapons” to Mexico, we have to stop their importation into the U.S.

    “They come to the United States from Europe and other places, and they make their way down to Mexico,” Rep. Eliot Engel, a New York Democrat, told reporters in Mexico City on Wednesday.

    [ . . . ]

    “As a result, the civilian firearms market is flooded with imported, inexpensive military-style assault weapons from primarily former Eastern bloc countries including Romania, Bulgaria and the former Yugoslavia,” the letter said.Inexpensive firearms? I thought the problem was “high-tech, high-quality weapons.” Come on, guys–at least get your stories straight.

    One “solution” that’s being tried is tossing a cool ten million dollars to the BATFE, ostensibly to combat gun smuggling to Mexico–as part of the “stimulus package.” Ten million dollars to the “most hated federal agency in America”–what could go wrong?

    Note that I am not claiming that the U.S. is without responsibility for the drug wars in Mexico, which are fueled, after all, by American drug dollars. Time to take a good hard look at the “War on Drugs”?

    http://www.examiner.com/x-2581-St-Louis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m2d19-Mexicos-bloody-drug-war-is-not-the-fault-of-lax-US-gun-laws

  152. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    MORE OBAMA LIES:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/24/fact-check-president-glosses-complex-realities/

    Fact Check: Obama’s Words on Home Aid Ring Hollow
    Obama glossed over a number of complex realities in delivering his speech to Congress and a nation hungry for economic salvation.

    AP

    Tuesday, February 24, 2009
    WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama knows Americans are unhappy that the government could rescue people who bought mansions beyond their means.

    But his assurance Tuesday night that only the deserving will get help rang hollow.

    Even officials in his administration, many supporters of the plan in Congress and the Federal Reserve chairman expect some of that money will go to people who used lousy judgment.

    The president skipped over several complex economic circumstances in his speech to Congress — and may have started an international debate among trivia lovers and auto buffs over what country invented the car.

    A look at some of his assertions:

  153. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    A look at some of his assertions:

    OBAMA: “We have launched a housing plan that will help responsible families facing the threat of foreclosure lower their monthly payments and refinance their mortgages. It’s a plan that won’t help speculators or that neighbor down the street who bought a house he could never hope to afford, but it will help millions of Americans who are struggling with declining home values.”

    THE FACTS: If the administration has come up with a way to ensure money only goes to those who got in honest trouble, it hasn’t said so.

    Defending the program Tuesday at a Senate hearing, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said it’s important to save those who made bad calls, for the greater good. He likened it to calling the fire department to put out a blaze caused by someone smoking in bed.

    “I think the smart way to deal with a situation like that is to put out the fire, save him from his own consequences of his own action but then, going forward, enact penalties and set tougher rules about smoking in bed.”

    Similarly, the head of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. suggested this month it’s not likely aid will be denied to all homeowners who overstated their income or assets to get a mortgage they couldn’t afford.

    “I think it’s just simply impractical to try to do a forensic analysis of each and every one of these delinquent loans,” Sheila Bair told National Public Radio.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/24/fact-check-president-glosses-complex-realities/

  154. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    OBAMA: “And I believe the nation that invented the automobile cannot walk away from it.”

    THE FACTS: Depends what your definition of automobiles, is. According to the Library of Congress, the inventor of the first true automobile was probably Germany’s Karl Benz, who created the first auto powered by an internal combustion gasoline engine, in 1885 or 1886. In the U.S., Charles Duryea tested what library researchers called the first successful gas-powered car in 1893. Nobody disputes that Henry Ford created the first assembly line that made cars affordable.

    ——

    OBAMA: “We have known for decades that our survival depends on finding new sources of energy. Yet we import more oil today than ever before.”

    THE FACTS: Oil imports peaked in 2005 at just over 5 billion barrels, and have been declining slightly since. The figure in 2007 was 4.9 billion barrels, or about 58 percent of total consumption. The nation is on pace this year to import 4.7 billion barrels, and government projections are for imports to hold steady or decrease a bit over the next two decades.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/24/fact-check-president-glosses-complex-realities/

  155. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    OBAMA THE LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    OBAMA THE LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    OBAMA THE LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  156. Regular
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    Traffic on Washington at First Street will be restricted to one lane, south-bound only, for approximately ten days starting March 3

    Core area drainage project progresses into Old Town area

    Construction on the Douglas Street storm water drain project will resume Tuesday, March 3 at the intersection of Washington and First Street, proceeding west to Mead. Work had been suspended for the winter months.

    Traffic on Washington at First Street will be restricted to one lane, south-bound only, for approximately ten days starting March 3. First Street will be reduced to one-lane east-bound as work progresses from Washington to Mead.

    This work is a continuation of the project begun in fall 2007 at the Wichita Drainage Canal (under I-135). The project consists of a new storm water drainage system for the downtown core area and restoration of pavement.

    The estimated completion date is June 2009.

  157. JMWalker
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    JJ is a sexually repressed white male who really needs to get laid. Perhaps him and a certain other virgin could join forces, so to speak, and procreate something? I’d make a substantive bet the offspring would have both the looks and intelligence of a semi-sentient beast. Most likely with dragging knuckles.

  158. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    OBAMA: “We have already identified $2 trillion in savings over the next decade.”

    THE FACTS: Although 10-year projections are common in government, they don’t mean much. And at times, they are a way for a president to pass on the most painful steps to his successor, by putting off big tax increases or spending cuts until someone else is in the White House.

    Obama only has a real say on spending during the four years of his term. He may not be president after that and he certainly won’t be 10 years from now.

    ——

    OBAMA: “Regulations were gutted for the sake of a quick profit at the expense of a healthy market. People bought homes they knew they couldn’t afford from banks and lenders who pushed those bad loans anyway. And all the while, critical debates and difficult decisions were put off for some other time on some other day.”

    THE FACTS: This may be so, but it isn’t only Republicans who pushed for deregulation of the financial industries. The Clinton administration championed an easing of banking regulations, including legislation that ended the barrier between regular banks and Wall Street banks. That led to a deregulation that kept regular banks under tight federal regulation but extended lax regulation of Wall Street banks. Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, later an economic adviser to candidate Obama, was in the forefront in pushing for this deregulation.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/24/fact-check-president-glosses-complex-realities/

  159. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    OBAMA THE LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    OBAMA THE LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    OBAMA THE LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    OBAMA THE LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  160. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    OBAMA: “In this budget, we will end education programs that don’t work and end direct payments to large agribusinesses that don’t need them. We’ll eliminate the no-bid contracts that have wasted billions in Iraq, and reform our defense budget so that we’re not paying for Cold War-era weapons systems we don’t use. We will root out the waste, fraud and abuse in our Medicare program that doesn’t make our seniors any healthier, and we will restore a sense of fairness and balance to our tax code by finally ending the tax breaks for corporations that ship our jobs overseas.”

    THE FACTS: First, his budget does not accomplish any of that. It only proposes those steps. That’s all a president can do, because control over spending rests with Congress. Obama’s proposals here are a wish list and some items, including corporate tax increases and cuts in agricultural aid, will be a tough sale in Congress.

    Second, waste, fraud and abuse are routinely targeted by presidents who later find that the savings realized seldom amount to significant sums. Programs that a president might consider wasteful have staunch defenders in Congress who have fought off similar efforts in the past.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/24/fact-check-president-glosses-complex-realities/

  161. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    OBAMA THE LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  162. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    OBAMA: “Thanks to our recovery plan, we will double this nation’s supply of renewable energy in the next three years.”

    THE FACTS: While the president’s stimulus package includes billions in aid for renewable energy and conservation, his goal is unlikely to be achieved through the recovery plan alone.

    In 2007, the U.S. produced 8.4 percent of its electricity from renewable sources, including hydroelectric dams, solar panels and windmills. Under the status quo, the Energy Department says, it will take more than two decades to boost that figure to 12.5 percent.

    If Obama is to achieve his much more ambitious goal, Congress would need to mandate it. That is the thrust of an energy bill that is expected to be introduced in coming weeks.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/24/fact-check-president-glosses-complex-realities/

  163. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    OBAMA THE LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  164. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    OBAMA: “Over the next two years, this plan will save or create 3.5 million jobs.”

    THE FACTS: This is a recurrent Obama formulation. But job creation projections are uncertain even in stable times, and some of the economists relied on by Obama in making his forecast acknowledge a great deal of uncertainty in their numbers.

    The president’s own economists, in a report prepared last month, stated, “It should be understood that all of the estimates presented in this memo are subject to significant margins of error.”

    Beyond that, it’s unlikely the nation will ever know how many jobs are saved as a result of the stimulus. While it’s clear when jobs are abolished, there’s no economic gauge that tracks job preservation. The estimates are based on economic assumptions of how many jobs would be lost without the stimulus.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/24/fact-check-president-glosses-complex-realities/

  165. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    “And that is why the single most important part of this Economic Recovery and Reinvestment Plan is the fact that it will save or create up to 4 million jobs, because that’s what America needs most right now.”

    Barack Hussein Obama 2/9/2009

  166. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    That is why the single most important part of this Economic Recovery and Reinvestment Plan is the fact that it will save or create up to 4 million jobs. Because that is what America needs most right now.

    http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/obamaforamerica/gGxhYB

  167. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    So which is it? Will Obama CREATE 4 million jobs?

    OR,

    Will Obama SAVE 4 million jobs?

    How will we know if 4 million jobs were saved?

  168. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    So which is it? Will Obama CREATE 3.5 million jobs?

    OR,

    Will Obama CREATE 4 million jobs?

    OR,

    Will Obama SAVE 3.5 million jobs?

    OR,

    Will Obama SAVE 4 million jobs?

  169. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    Obama LIES SOOOOOOOO FAST AND

    SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FREQUENTLY

    That even his own web site can’t keep up with his lies.

  170. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    So which is it? Will Obama CREATE 3.5 million or 4 million jobs?

    OR,

    Will Obama SAVE 3.5 million or 4 million jobs?

    How will we know if 3.5 million or 4 million jobs were saved?

    It’s easy to see if 3.5 million or 4 million jobs are created. But how will we know if 3.5 million or 4 million jobs are saved?

    Could it be that Obama has set-up One Unmeasurable Criteria for Success?

    That way, we’ll never know if HIS plan worked or not.

  171. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    Or could it be that Obama CONTINUOUSLY CHANGES his Criteria for success so that nobody can tell if his plan worked or not.

    Change.

    Change is good.

    Yup. Change is good.

    Just keep saying that.

    Change is good.

  172. Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    OBAMA: “….It’s a plan that won’t help speculators or that neighbor down the street who bought a house he could never hope to afford,

    but it will help millions of Americans who are struggling with declining home values.”

    THE FACTS: If the administration has come up with a way to ensure money only goes to those who got in honest trouble, it hasn’t said so.

    Defending the program Tuesday at a Senate hearing, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said “it’s important to save those who made bad calls, for the greater good.”
    ===========================================

    How many ways does it need to be said to satisfy your blatant ignorance, Johnson???

  173. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    What would be Reasonable Criteria to Evaluate the Success or Failure of Obama’s Plan? And how much time should be allowed to determine Success or Failure?

    -When Unemployment drops below the Bush 8-year average for 24 consecutive months?

    -When Economic Growth exceeds the Bush 8-year average for 24 consecutive months?

    -When Inflation drops below the Bush 8-year average for 24 consecutive months?

    -When Gasoline drops below the Bush 8-year average for 24 consecutive months?

    -When the Deficit drops below the Bush 8-year average for 24 consecutive months?

    -When the Crime rate drops below the Bush 8-year average for 24 consecutive months?

    -When the Home Ownership rate rises above the Bush 8-year average for 24 consecutive months?

    -When Home Foreclosures drop below the Bush 8-year average for 24 consecutive months?

    I SAY OBAMA HAS UNTIL NOVEMBER 2010 TO PROVE HIS PLAN WORKS

    OR

    NOT.

  174. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    “For the greater good.”

    Yup Chas, Obama, Marx, and you all love that expression.

  175. Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    Quick — Somebody call the Fire Department —Johnson is FLAMING again!!

  176. BlueJay
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    President Obama loves us and wants the best for America Max.

    You don’t hate America,

    do you?

  177. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    This was a fantastic post by XXX above, yet all his Lib brethern ignored it.

    I’m not surprised that JR and Chas would ignore it for the most part, but maybe at least a little “amen” or something might have been whispered from the back pews.

    =====================================================

    Response from:
    Gregory Knox, President
    Knox Machinery Company
    Franklin, Ohio

    Gentlemen:

    In response to your request to contact legislators and ask for a bailout for the Big Three automakers, please consider the following and please pass my thoughts on to Troy Clark,
    President of General Motors North America.

    Politicians and Management of the Big 3 are both infected with the same entitlement mentality that has spread like cancerous germs in UAW halls for the last countless decades, and whose plague is now sweeping this nation, awaiting our new “messiah,” President-elect Obama, to wave his magic wand and make all our problems go away, while at the same time allowing our once great nation to keep “living the dream.” Believe me folks, The dream is over!

    This dream where we can ignore the consumer for years while management myopically focuses on its personal rewards packages at the same time that our factories have been filled with the world’s most overpaid, arrogant, ignorant and laziest entitlement minded “laborers” without paying the price for these atrocities . . . . . this dream where you still think the masses will line up to buy our products for ever and ever.

    Don’t even think about telling me I’m wrong. Don’t accuse me of not knowing of what I speak. I
    have called on Ford, GM, Chrysler, TRW, Delphi, Kelsey Hayes, American Axle and countless other automotive OEM’s throughout the Midwest during the past 30 years and what I’ve seen over those years in these union shops can only be described as disgusting.

    Troy Clarke, President of General Motors North America, states, “There is widespread sentiment throughout this country and our government, and especially via the news media, that the current crisis is completely the result of bad management — which it certainly is not.”

    You’re right Mr. Clarke, it’s not JUST management. . . . . how about the electricians who walk around the plants like lords in feudal times, making people wait on them for countless hours while they drag ass so they can come in on the weekend and make double and triple time for a job they easily could have done within their normal 40-hour work week. How about the line workers who threaten newbies with all kinds of scare tactics for putting out too many parts on a shift and for being too productive. (We certainly must not expose those lazy bums who have been getting overpaid for decades for their horrific underproduction, must we?!?)

    Do you folks really not know about this stuff?!? How about this great sentiment abridged from Mr. Clarke’s sad plea, “over the last few years we have closed the quality and efficiency gaps with our competitors.” What the hell has Detroit been doing for the last 40 years?!? Did we really JUST wake up to the gaps in quality and efficiency between us and them? The K car vs. the
    Accord? The Pinto vs. the Civic?!? Do I need to go on? What a joke!

    We are living through the inevitable outcome of the actions of the United States auto industry for decades It’s time to pay for your sins, Detroit .

    I attended an economic summit last week where a brilliant economist, Alan Beaulieu, from the Institute of Trend Research , surprised the crowd when he said he would not have given the banks a penny of “bailout money.” “Yes,” he said, “this would cause short term problems, but despite what people like politicians and corporate magnates would have us believe, the sun would in
    fact rise the next day . . . . . and the following day a very important thing would happen. Where there had been greedy and sloppy banks, new efficient ones would pop up That is how a free market system works . . . . . it does work . . . . . if we would only let it work.”

    But for some nondescript reason we are now deciding that the rest of the world is right and that capitalism doesn’t work – that we need the government to step in and “save us” Save us my ass! Hell, we’re nationalizing and unfortunately too many of our once fine nation’s citizens don’t even have a clue that this is what is really happening. But they sure can tell you the stats on their favorite sports teams Yeah that’s really important, isn’t it?

    Does it ever occur to ANYONE that the “competition” has been producing vehicles, EXTREMELY PROFITABLY, for decades in this country? How can that be? Let’s see . . . . . Fuel efficient . . . . .Listening to customers . . . . . Investing in the proper tooling and automation for the long haul . . . . .

    Not being too complacent or arrogant to listen to Dr. W. Edwards Deming four decades ago when he taught that by adopting appropriate principles of management, organizations could increase quality and simultaneously reduce costs. Ever increased productivity through quality and
    intelligent planning. Treating vendors like strategic partners rather than like “the enemy.” Efficient front and back offices. Non-union environment. Again, I could go on and on, but I really wouldn’t be telling anyone anything they really don’t already know down deep in their hearts.

    I have six children, so I am not unfamiliar with the concept of wanting someone to bail you out of a mess that you have gotten yourself into. My children do this on a weekly, if not daily basis, as I did when I was their age. I do for them what my parents did for me (one of their greatest gifts, by the way). I make them stand on their own two feet and accept the consequences of their actions
    and work through it. Radical concept, huh? Am I there for them in the wings? Of course, but only until such time as they need to be fully on their own as adults.

    I don’t want to oversimplify a complex situation, but there certainly are unmistakable parallels here between the proper role of parenting and government. Detroit and the United States need to pay for their sins. Bad news people. It’s coming whether we like it or not. The newly elected Messiah really doesn’t have a magic wand big enough to “make it all go away.” I laughed
    as I heard Obama “reeling it back in” almost immediately after the final vote count was tallied, “We really might not do it in a year . . . . . or in four . . .. .” Where the hell was that kind of talk when he was RUNNING for office.

    Stop trying to put off the inevitable folks. That house in Florida really isn’t worth $750,000. People who jump across a border really don’t deserve free health care benefits. That job driving that forklift for the Big 3 really isn’t worth $85,000 a year. We really shouldn’t allow Wal-Mart to stock their shelves with products acquired from a country that unfairly manipulates their currency and has the most atrocious human rights infractions on the face of the globe.

    That couple whose combined income is less than $50,000 really shouldn’t be living in that $485,000 home. Let the market correct itself folks – it will. Yes, it will be painful, but it’s gonna’ be painful either way, and the bright side of my proposal is that on the other side of
    it all, is a nation that appreciates what it has . . . . .and doesn’t live beyond its means . . . . . and gets back to basics . . . . . and redevelops the patriotic work ethic that made it the greatest nation in the history of the world . . . . and probably turns back to God.

    Sorry – don’t cut my head off. I’m just the messenger sharing with you the “bad news.” I
    hope you take it to heart.

    Gregory J. Knox, President
    Knox Machinery, Inc.
    Franklin, Ohio 45005

  178. Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    Johnson hates America… see all of the above wasted bandwidth for evidence… :-)

  179. BlueJay
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    Republicans spent the last 25 years breaking America. It will take some time, and much money to fix the damage.

  180. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 7:59 pm | Permalink
    President Obama loves us and wants the best for America Max.
    =========================================

    Have you had YOUR koolaide today?

    “For the Greater good”, ahhh, who can be against an expression like that?

    And who could possibly oppose someone who cares for us and loves us so much?

  181. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:01 pm | Permalink
    Republicans spent the last 25 years breaking America. It will take some time, and much money to fix the damage.
    —————————–

    Math never was your strong suit JR.

    BTW, what IS your strong suit?

  182. BlueJay
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    Mr Knox is a business owner and his letter reeks of anti worker sentiment. To in any way blame the unions for the problems the auto makers are having is ludicrous.

  183. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    “I have six children, so I am not unfamiliar with the concept of wanting someone to bail you out of a mess that you have gotten yourself into. My children do this on a weekly, if not daily basis, as I did when I was their age. I do for them what my parents did for me (one of their greatest gifts, by the way). I make them stand on their own two feet and accept the consequences of their actions and work through it. Radical concept, huh?”

  184. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    “That job driving that forklift for the Big 3 really isn’t worth $85,000 a year.”

  185. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

    “That couple whose combined income is less than $50,000 really shouldn’t be living in that $485,000 home.”

  186. Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    Looks like Johnson forgot to take his anger management pills again… That made-up letter is a piece of propaganda to say the least — Thirty years ago, when I bought a Toyota, I was severely castigated for buying “Japanese Junk”…. I thought it was better than a Ford Pinto…. My dad called me a traitor to my country…. And THIS goon from Ohio says the Japanese stuff is better built than American…. I wonder if he was saying that 30 years ago??? Hmmmm???? My guess he would have been siding with my Dad 30 years ago….

    I wish some of you right wingers would use some ivestigative intelligence before you post this worthless anti-union, anti-american propagands….

    Re: Johnson >>>>
    DNFT-America hating-T

  187. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:05 pm | Permalink
    Mr Knox is a business owner and his letter reeks of anti worker sentiment. To in any way blame the unions for the problems the auto makers are having is ludicrous.
    ——————————————–

    Ahhh, so you disagree with XXX.

    Chas, you calling XXX unAmerican too?

  188. BlueJay
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    ““That job driving that forklift for the Big 3 really isn’t worth $85,000 a year.”

    Then the companies should not have negotiated the contract differently. All the workers have to defend themselves is collective bargaining. IF the management thought the demands were excessive or not sustainable, they should have let the workers go on strike.

    Of course, striking workers don’t produce stuff you can sell.

  189. BlueJay
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    Ahhh, so you disagree with XXX.

    I wouldn’t know as those words are not directly his.

    I do say again that the unions are in no way responsible for the automakers problems.

  190. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted February 27, 2009 at 11:35 pm | Permalink
    Freedom… Justice…. Equality… That’s what I post about here, Bawks….
    ====================================

    Say I don’t remember seeing Chas’ posts about Freedem, Justice, and Equality today…..

  191. Rage
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    Actually, Chas, Snopes contacted the guy. It’s for real.

    It’s the opinion of a guy who runs a machine shop, which probably supplies parts to the Big 3.

    On Snopes, he said he would have written a better letter if he knew it was going to be “famous.”

    Peronally I doubt some of his claims ($85g forklift drivers? Yeah, right).

    But it’s one man’s opinion, and can be considered as such.

  192. Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    “For the Greater good”, ahhh, who can be against an expression like that? [Johnson}

    Obviously Johnson is not for the greater good… That was principle of the lives of such propagandist idiots as Mahatma Ghandi, and Mother Theresa…

    Thanks for showing us just how FACIST you really are Johnson…. Calling the greater good “marxist” — All in your own very small narrow mind… Wake Up, Johnson!!

    YOU and your fellow GOONS Lost!! Get over it… If you dont get on the train, you will be left behind… Never mind, go ahead and get left behind… You could never survive a society where people actually CARE about each other… inspite of their diverity!!

  193. cosmos_originally
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    JimJohnson is another reason to not waste time at the WE blog.

  194. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    Chas for the greater good, you could argue that all the Jews should be eliminated.

    Individual Rights don’t matter do they? Not when there is the Greater Good to consider.

  195. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    Wow Cosmos, that’s 2 posts today without a link.

    Congratulations!

  196. BlueJay
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    “It’s the opinion of a guy who runs a machine shop, which probably supplies parts to the Big 3.”

    SO this hero Knox PROBABLY subsists on labor outsourced from the workers in the union factory. Some hero,

  197. Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    OK, Rage… so he wrote the letter…. still doesnt make him accurate….

    Besides, ANYbody can go apply for one of those fork lift jobs…

    UNLESS they prefer sitting around b*tching about the guys that have the job…

    I say to the goon in Ohio, PROVE your foolish, anti-union allegations… Such salaries are available…

  198. JimJohnson
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:15 pm | Permalink
    “For the Greater good”, ahhh, who can be against an expression like that? [Johnson}

    Obviously Johnson is not for the greater good… That was principle of the lives of such propagandist idiots as Mahatma Ghandi, and Mother Theresa…

    Thanks for showing us just how FACIST you really are Johnson…. Calling the greater good “marxist” — All in your own very small narrow mind… Wake Up, Johnson!!

    YOU and your fellow GOONS Lost!! Get over it… If you dont get on the train, you will be left behind… Never mind, go ahead and get left behind… You could never survive a society where people actually CARE about each other… inspite of their diverity!!
    ———————————

    FREEDOM
    JUSTICE
    EQUALITY

  199. BlueJay
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    I would be interested less in the letter from Mr.Knox and more in the opinion of the people he uses to make him money.

  200. Rage
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    Greater good? How about this?:

    We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.preamble.html

  201. Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    I’m sure the GMC exec had a great laugh… same as I did the first 4 or 5 times it was posted here… This time, it just urinates me off… I am getting really tired of the Anti-Americans rearing their ugly(perhaps even shaved) heads with all of their propaganda…

    Oh yea, I have only ever owned one Japanese Car, and one Japanese motorcycle… and one Volkswagen Beetle…. Best cars I have ever had have been GMC and Volkswagen… And my motorcycle cost me almost nothing in maintenance in the 15 years I owned it… And I put over 100,000 miles on it, and got as good gas mileage after all those miles as the day I bought it…

  202. Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    “FREEDOM
    JUSTICE
    EQUALITY”

    YOU betcha… And its such a shame that Johnson and so many others are so adamantly opposed to those three principles of our glorious Constitution….

  203. cosmos_originally
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    JimJohnson posted February 28, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    Wow Cosmos, that’s 2 posts today without a link.

    Congratulations!
    ———————–

    Jim proves that he cannot count.

  204. BlueJay
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:29 pm | Permalink

    I don’t disagree with entirely with Mr. Knox.

    And I don’t mean to demean his faith. But?

    “….and probably turns back to God.”

    See?

    I bet Knox is a Republican. They LIKE pain and suffering as Knox hinted at admitting.

  205. Rage
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:29 pm | Permalink

    I would be interested less in the letter from Mr.Knox and more in the opinion of the people he uses to make him money.

    Well, he did speak approvingly of a “non-union environment.” My question is: how do people who don’t work for the automakers supposedly know so much about their inner workings?

    I think it’s a given the Big 3 screwed up, and one can take the view that they should be allowed to fail. But rather than wasting such a valuable national resource, I would prefer retooling and reinventing–under legal mandates to do so.

    I believe this not because I’m opposed to the free market (to the extent there is such a thing). I just don’t believe in throwing away assets.

  206. BlueJay
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    We have to quit looking up for solutions or help.

    We need to start looking around.

  207. Rage
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    We have to quit looking up for solutions or help.

    We need to start looking around.

    Exactly right.

  208. Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    Very true BlueJay AND Rage… Not merely handouts, but a hand….

  209. Rage
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    More than that, Chas. . . we are the eyes and ears of democracy. And the voice, if we speak loudly enough.

  210. Regular
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    RADIO LEGEND PAUL HARVEY HAS DIED AT THE AGE OF 90

    Fox News Bulletin

  211. Regular
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    Sebelius Picked

    President Obama asked Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius to join his Cabinet as secretary of health and human services on Saturday and Sebelius accepted, a senior administration official told FOX News.

  212. Boxlock20
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    “These are all things that people once believed God called sin….
    So, am I wrong, or are you just cherry picking which parts you want to believe, and forget the rest??
    ______________________________________________
    As I told you before, times change, peoples’ opinions of “sin” change…
    Deal with it, Boxie…”
    —-Chas, the faux preacher

    For someone claiming himself a minister you sure seem extremely uninformed, but that’s not news to me or others. You cite laws from the Mosaic Covenant and apply that to today….uninformed Chas really.

    Those OT Laws were tied to the Mosaic Covenant, which is integrally connected to Israel’s life in the land and the conditional promises of blessing related to their living obediently in the land. Christians are not related to that land, nor are they related to the conditions for being blessed in the land. Also the Mosaic Covenant is obsolete, having been replaced by the New Covenant.
    We are not under the old covenant, but the new. We do not dwell in the Promised Land. We do not approach God via the sacrifice of animals. We live under secular governments and not a theocracy. We face pressures not from Canaanite religions but from non-Christian worldviews and philosophies.
    The moral guidelines taught in the New Testament most certainly still apply.
    Again Chas, does God’s word change with people’s opinion, with the times, does what HE declares as sin ever change?
    As a ‘minister’ you should readily declare the answer to that, I wonder if your church actually knows what you think.

  213. Boxlock20
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    Chas,
    Here is a good introduction to what I would have thought you would declare as a minister.

    In Matthew 5:17 Jesus said, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets (the Old Testament); I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”

    http://jasonaclark.com/2008/08/09/an-explanation-of-the-apparent-contradictions-between-the-old-testament-and-the-new-testament-of-the-bible/

    “Many of the Old Testament laws are restated in the New Testament as commandments for New Testament believers.
    So by comparing the Old with the New we are able to discern what is and what is not a Law that we are required to keep and act upon. It is for this reason that I can confidently say that there are no contradictions in the Bible. Where Old Testament scripture sometimes seems to contradict New Testament scripture we need only look to the teachings of Jesus and the New Testament to determine whether or not that scripture is still a law that should be kept or if it was modified or rendered obsolete by the New Covenant of the New Testament.”

  214. Boxlock20
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    “And my motorcycle cost me almost nothing in maintenance in the 15 years I owned it… And I put over 100,000 miles on it, and got as good gas mileage after all those miles as the day I bought it…”—Chas

    Chas, What do you have?
    100,000 miles….I’ll bet your butt is indelibly imprinted on that saddle.

  215. Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    So, nice to see you want to cherry pick which “laws” of God you choose to want to apply… Now, you say the OT Mosaic covenant is no more, yet you turn right around and say that just those Mosaic covenant laws that appear in the NT are applicable… Which means, Boxie, YOU dont believe the entirety of the Bible… but you would castigate me for not buying your good for nothing and quite lousy “interpretations” — and I use that word very loosely….

    NOW, why dont you deal with My questions to you instead of continuing to side step around it… Let’s try another one….

    The punishment for adultery in NT times was death by stoning… It was GOD’S LAW, Boxie…. Yet, the woman caught in adultery was forgiven, and let go by JESUS… SO, I guess Jesus didnt agree with that Law… or the law against plucking grain on the Sabbath, or healing on the Sabbath… So, laws which were once Laws… Jesus said were no longer laws… Guess Jesus changed some of that…

    As for laws in the NT??? Shame on you for suggesting such a thing…. JESUS said he came to FULFILL the Law… And when asked what are the greatest commandments… Do you recall what he said??? Love the Lord your god, with all your soul, and with all your strength and all your might…. And a second is like it… Love your neighbor as yourself….

    Just TWO commandments for Jesus, Boxie…. NOT a new set of NT Laws… Not to mention that the SOCIETY Jesus lived in accepted the OT Law… BECAUSE it was the only LAW they had!!

    Peoples’ ideas of sin change from time to time… I do believe I have shown that, as have a couple of others…. As a professional theologian, I call YOU a phony, Boxie… A Phony driven by your own desire to play GOD…. Get over it… Someday one of your grandkids might well walk in your front door, and introduce to you their “Partner” and that partner will be the same gender as your grandchild…

    When that happens…. Come see me.. Thats when you will need the help… For now?? There IS no help for a person with the negative bigoted mindset with which you view the world around you… Feel free to visit that Church I mentioned… You wont feel at home… but hey, the doors will be open, and the folks will treat you as an equal… until you show them that you arent….

    Have a good weekend, Boxie….

    And you can either stop calling me a “faux” preacher… OR, I will keep calling YOU a friggin Racist Bigot….

    nite now… have a good one!!

    byeeee!!!

  216. Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    I HAD a 1979 Kawasaki KZ 1000…. Put many, many enjoyable miles on it… I HAD that bike for 15 years… I bought it NEW… Now, if you could just read, you would know I havent had it since 1994… Last I looked this is now 2009… Did you not read my post?? Or perhaps you only read what you WANTED to read… the way you do with other types of literature…

    You Friggin Racist, Boxie…. what a shame…

  217. Boxlock20
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    You are a very very faux preacher Chas, and unable to grasp even a basic tenet of the Covenant of the Old Testament Mosaic Law in relation to the New Covenant and what Christ fulfilled.
    You simply want to live with you being your own god which won’t work for long…you should know that.
    It is really sad. Say, just where did you send off for the mail order preacher certificate?

  218. BlueJay
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    I have never seen Chas deliberately try to hurt anyone with his posts here bawks.

    I have seen you do so. Faith is a shield but mostly a weapon for you.

  219. Pleefer
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    Cosmo, at least I can admit that I don’t “know”. Let me remind you, that you don’t either. But you’ll keep acting like you do anyway. And your being able to “prove” AGW will be just as fruitful as anyone “proving” the existence of a God. One thing, I can prove that The Rockefeller Foundation is a huge money bag for The Sierra Club and Greenpeace though.

    http://www.rbf.org/grantsdatabase/grantsdatabase_show.htm?doc_id=616987

    And my point, that you so eloquently dodge, has not changed.

    Those who control oil also control those who would fight against it. It’s hard to lose a race when you own both horses eh?

  220. Boxlock20
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    I do scroll over much of what you post Chas, I can only tolerate so much you know.

    And by all means continue to call me whatever you want…you see I place NO relevance in it after reading the rest of your crap.

    The adulteress was forgiven and told to go and sin no more, not go jump back in bed Chas, remember. Do you conveniently forget the last part?

    “So, laws which were once Laws… Jesus said were no longer laws… “—Chas
    Again, Old Testament Covenant Mosaic Law, that he himself in HIS New Covenant with us fulfills.
    Jesus never said live apart from me and the Word of His Father and just forget about it.
    That would be you placing yourself in Gods place if you think that.
    Sad example Chas, a sad example.

  221. Boxlock20
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    I’m not trying to hurt him…but I won’t stand by and listen to what I consider harmful opinion from someone that should be actually trying to convey God’s Word as it is written, not as he personally decides it should be changed for today.

  222. Boxlock20
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    I’m out’a here, have a good night.
    Even Chas and BlueJay.

  223. Political_mama
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

    I just want to thank KFG for the fantastic meal and tour of the county. Really cool stuff out there, and better company! I so needed a mini vacation like that!

    And I also want to thank Linda for putting up with my selfish self for driving me all the way out there, and then I forgot so many graces…geez I feel like such a clod. I was going to give you gas money! So I certainly owe you one.

    Not only that, I learned the secrets to KFG’s fried chicken. Eat your heart out Hank. :P And I got farm fresh eggs to boot.

    Mary, you simply must go with us next time, but I hope things are better for you!

  224. cosmos_originally
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    Pleefer posted February 28, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    Cosmo, at least I can admit that I don’t “know”. Let me remind you, that you don’t either. But you’ll keep acting like you do anyway. And your being able to “prove” AGW will be just as fruitful as anyone “proving” the existence of a God. One thing, I can prove that The Rockefeller Foundation is a huge money bag for The Sierra Club and Greenpeace though.

    link

    And my point, that you so eloquently dodge, has not changed.

    Those who control oil also control those who would fight against it. It’s hard to lose a race when you own both horses eh?
    ———————

    Science offers theories, not proof.

    The AGW theory is already being validated by observations.

    I ignored your earlier stupid point. The Sierra Club and Greenpeace do not do climate science.

    Pleefer, you have to prove that oil “controlled” Arrhenius, and all of the climate scientists since the 1800’s.

    Oil did not, and does not control climate science.

    Oil and coal has instead, since the 1980’s, been funding misinformation against the science.

  225. Political_mama
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    I think Chas owned Box on that exchange. Sorry Box. What Chas said made perfect sense.

  226. HLP
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    Not only that, I learned the secrets to KFG’s fried chicken. Eat your heart out Hank. :P And I got farm fresh eggs to boot.
    ___________________________________________

    We have some very good friends that live south of Osbourn. We’ve been all over that country.

    I’m ate up with duck eggs here. If I’d known ya’ll were going I’d have sent a dozen up with you for KFG.

  227. cosmos_originally
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    Speaking of the influence of the fossil-fuel industry. . .

    Coal-sponsored CNN rejects anti-coal ad.
    http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/28/cnn-rejects-anti-coal-ad/

  228. Boxlock20
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    Sure P_mama,
    I guy who calls himself a minister and can’t reconcile Old Testament Mosaic Covenant Law with the New Testament.
    Sure you don’t want to simply make yourself God of your life as Chas does, with an anything goes philosophy and no one to answer to.
    That pretty well describes it I think.

  229. BlueJay
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    So much for claims that CNN is liberal.

  230. Political_mama
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

    No, Box, the point was, that if Jesus lived by God’s rules, he should had stoned the woman to death.

    Right? Can you follow that far along? He would had been breaking God’s rule. Bad son!

    You have to remember though, I come from a place that says Jesus is the son, not the actual God. So I’ll go by my interpretation of that since there is no biblical basis for yours.

  231. Political_mama
    Posted February 28, 2009 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    Oh and home yeast rolls. TO DIE FOR!

  232. Posted March 1, 2009 at 12:05 am | Permalink

    Hey, Friggin Bigot Boxlock…. Who died and gave you the secret knowledge of the mind of God?? Because you have attempted to tell us you know the mind of God on more than one occasion…. And you call me phony?? I would NEVER attmpt to tell ANYBODY that I know what the mind of God is…

    Do you think you’re that special??? Or did you just decide that all on your own?? I dont think your Pastor would approve, IF you are really what you claim you are — a Lutheran….

    Fact is, when the dust settles in the courtrooms, Gays WILL be allowed to marry… because your argument and others who argue on the basis of your religious bigotry… will be thrown OUT of court, thanks to the great foresite of our Founders, who made sure that Religion will never, ever, dominate the government of this great nation….

    I’m not telling you what your personal, or church beliefs should or ought to be… See, THAT’S up to YOU and yours… Just as my religious beliefs are up to ME and mine…. That’s the beautiful thing about that little thing called the First Amendment… And THAT isnt going to change any time soon….

    Enjoy your Bigot Life Loser…. Everybody on this Blog knows the far reaching extent of your bigotry toward your fellow, and equal citizens… I can only hope that you NEVER have the bigotry inflicted on you, that you inflict on gay people every time you tell us your bigoted TRASH…

    Yep, Boxlock20 is nothing but a Friggin BIGOT!!!

  233. BlueJay
    Posted March 1, 2009 at 12:06 am | Permalink

    I’m surprised that none of the cons have posted Rush Limbaughs speech to CPAC.

    I waded through the transcript. The man is evil. The people who believe in him are either evil or misled.

    HE is not for bipartisanship. And he rightly (from his side) calls compromise surrender. Just as progressives should see compromise as surrender.

    Find the video and see those folks. They are in the minority but they have money and they have power. They are not to be negotiated with.

  234. Posted March 1, 2009 at 12:09 am | Permalink

    PMama, so glad to hear you had such a fantastic trip to see KFG…. One of these days, I hope to try some of her special chicken myself… With any luck at all, maybe I can get there some day….

    At least I HOPE I can….

  235. Posted March 1, 2009 at 12:11 am | Permalink

    Perhaps not to be negotiated with BlueJay… BUT we do need to deal with their evil… Some how, some way…

  236. Posted March 1, 2009 at 12:14 am | Permalink

    One would think that with all of the “wrong” projections made by LIMBAUGH during the last election cycle, that even his OWN KIND would see him as the phony wind bag that he is…

    But, they do drink the KOOL-AIDE, so that probably wont happen…

    To Limbaugh: Reagan is dead; Bush is gone; YOU lost!! Get over it… Move on…

  237. Posted March 1, 2009 at 12:18 am | Permalink

    Yo Bawks… St. Paul says the only reason for people to get married is because of the “lust of the flesh” If they dont have that Burnin Desire, then they should remain single… Now, I doubt that YOU actually believe that… BUT, in the off chance that you do, are you willing to go around knocking on doors, and ask why people got married, and if it wasnt because of the Burnin Desire of Lust, tell them to get separated, because its against God’s Law of the NEW Covenant(as you put it)… But it’s in the New Testament… I Corinthians… So, again, Boxie… do you just believe those parts that support your bigotry, or what?? See, I am smart enough to understand that different societies have different values… And what you define as marriage for YOUR little brain… isnt what Paul defined as marriage… So, you see, YOUR ideas and definitions are different even from the New Testament… The point is, times change and people change… Even the ways people define GOD change over time… And then there are those like YOU… YOU sir, seek to define the mind of GOD… That alone makes you a Bigot… and to seek to apply your definition to others, makes you a hypocrite…

    I suspect that if two people of the same gender are having that burnin burnin love, then, according to Paul’s lust of the flesh theme, those two gay folks are better to be married than to burn with desire….

    So, now go tell your Pastor that you know the mind of God… And see what she says!!

    Good night, faithful Bigot!!

  238. GMC70
    Posted March 1, 2009 at 12:27 am | Permalink

    Nope. I got no idea why it’s “awaiting moderation.”

    Any ideas, folks?

  239. Monkeyhawk
    Posted March 1, 2009 at 4:36 am | Permalink

    For insomniacs and those who appreciate…weird? Irony? Polyester? –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye3ecDYxOkg&feature=related

  240. Boxlock20
    Posted March 1, 2009 at 7:45 am | Permalink

    “And you call me phony??”
    “Hey, Friggin Bigot Boxlock….”–the faux preacher and false teacher

    The Online Slang Dictionary; ‘Friggin’, slang for “fu*king.” and “the person it came from is to much of a Pus/sy to say Fu*king”, that also from the Slang Dictionary.

    Oh I see, and that’s what a real man of God says the way they talk, well I don’t know who your god is but it is not THE GOD. Who do you worship faux preacher.
    International Standard Version (©2008)
    “It is not what goes into the mouth that makes a person unclean. It is what comes out of the mouth that makes a person unclean.”
    We can see what comes from your mouth and heart.

    It’s fine to welcome all people to your church, so does mine with welcoming open arms. It entirely another and evil to affirm their sin, not instructing them in God’s written Word.
    Jesus came to be a sacrifice for sin, not to condone it so people can simply continue in it to spiritual death.

    You teach a false and deadly ministry and you know it, but hate anyone that knows it also.

    “Even the ways people define GOD change over time”—the false prophet Chas

    GOD does NOT change with time or personal definition especially your definition faux preacher. What kind of a supreme God would that be.
    God has given us what we need to seek him, you are standing in the way of that for those folks you lead astray.

  241. Monkeyhawk
    Posted March 1, 2009 at 7:53 am | Permalink

    “Boxlock20″ –

    You’re such a tool.

  242. Boxlock20
    Posted March 1, 2009 at 7:57 am | Permalink

    Remember Chas, or don’t you believe this either.
    Mark 9:42
    “If anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a huge millstone tied around his neck and to be thrown into the sea.”

    God is “immutable” – God cannot and does not change. Whatever God is like now is the way that God was for all of the past and the way God will be for all of the future. It doesn’t matter what happens elsewhere, in your mind Chas or others, God always and inevitably remains the same.

  243. Boxlock20
    Posted March 1, 2009 at 7:59 am | Permalink

    “You’re such a tool.”—Monkey

    Thanks Monkey, that’s a nice complement, at least I’m taking it as such.

  244. Monkeyhawk
    Posted March 1, 2009 at 8:05 am | Permalink

    (heh-heh)

    Yeah right, “Boxlock20″ –

    Why should you start being correct or perceptive now at this late date?

  245. cosmos_originally
    Posted March 1, 2009 at 8:11 am | Permalink

    LOL!

    bigotbawks is not just a hateful bigot who falsely believes that he is blessed with 100% accurate, unquestionable knowledge of the mind of God. He’s also the language police.

  246. Boxlock20
    Posted March 1, 2009 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    My comment was an ‘in-your-face’ comment Monkey, ya nitwit.

  247. Boxlock20
    Posted March 1, 2009 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    comatose posts, “bigotbawks is not just a hateful bigot who falsely believes that he is blessed with 100% accurate, unquestionable knowledge of the mind of God. He’s also the language police.”

    I can read and understand comatose, not so you I guess. Read the Bible, it’s not hard.
    Chas proves just what he is with his own mouth.

  248. Monkeyhawk
    Posted March 1, 2009 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    “Boxlock20″ contributes –

    “My comment was an ‘in-your-face’ comment Monkey, ya nitwit.”

    Which one?

  249. cosmos_originally
    Posted March 1, 2009 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    bigotbawks,

    You only seem to read and understand what supports your intolerant, bigoted, and very insecure mind.

  250. Boxlock20
    Posted March 1, 2009 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    “You’re such a tool.”—Monkey

    Thanks Monkey, that’s a nice complement, at least I’m taking it as such.

    You are slow this morning Monkey, unusually more so any way.

  251. dadman
    Posted March 1, 2009 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    No excuses folks . . . . .

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  252. JimJohnson
    Posted March 2, 2009 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    AmWay, starting here:

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/02/open-thread-228-2/#comment-529301

    (Obama LIES)

  253. ANTI
    Posted March 2, 2009 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    JimJohnson
    Posted March 2, 2009 at 11:05 am | Permalink
    AmWay, starting here:
    ————————–

    And the Libs couldn’t refute any of it.

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