“My particular derangement, somewhere between train-wreck fascination and unbridled outrage, was fueled by questions as to how such an unwise pregnancy occurred and why so many members of our baby-crazed society insist on glorifying even the most dangerous, irresponsible and (despite a fondness for seeing them as divinely determined) technologically assisted reproductive events,” columnist Meghan Daum wrote about the California woman who gave birth last week to eight babies. So far, the woman isn’t getting sponsorships from baby-products companies, as businesses don’t want to be associated with the unwed mother who already had six young children.
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She doesnt have job but can afford a spokesperson?
Tom,
Spokespersons often work for a percentage, and up to now there have been quite a few perks to be had by delivering record numbers of babies. This time however, most corporate donors are recognizing that this case isn’t motherhood, it’s psychotic behavior, and are staying away in droves.
“TomPaine
Posted February 4, 2009 at 12:16 pm | Permalink
She doesnt have job but can afford a spokesperson?”
She bartered a baby for spokesperson services.
Brian,
“She bartered a baby for spokesperson services.”
Any reputable spokesperson wouldn’t work for less than two.
Is this nut trying to start her own petting zoo?
I don’t know what people are complaining about .. we are lectured not to “legislate” any-ones “morality” .. we are lectured to keep government out of our bedrooms .. who are we to lecture people on how to “live their lives” .. I mean .. we’re talking about California here .. How many Illegal aliens .. oh, I’m sorry .. un-document-eds in California do we support ?? . . . as far as I can see .. this situation is simply Liberalism on the march . . . . Oh, she’ll eventually make her rounds on all the Oprah / view talk-shows and probably make a couple of million dollars when it’s all said and done . . . quit your whining liberals .. just keep payin those taxes LOL and we’ll just call it good
Daddyboy,
I’m not looking to legislate anyone’s morality. This case isn’t about morality, it isn’t even about sex; it’s about motherhood being elevated to the point of psychosis. While mental health can’t be legislated, funds to treat it can be, and fourteen kids and a single mother is insanity by itself, even without her underlying illness, and treatment is long overdue. And whatever doctors enabled such psychotic behavior really ought to lose their licenses and be ordered to pay child support!
Gster,
“Is this nut trying to start her own petting zoo?”
Good call! From what little I’ve heard, that’s exactly what she’s trying to do.
“as far as I can see .. this situation is simply Liberalism on the march ” — fadman
You mean conservatives would have aborted some of the fetuses, as is generally the practice?
Don’t take me too serious Jeddie .. sometimes I might exaggerate a point to make a point .. but in all reality .. liberalism – secular humanism – Atheism are ALL mental/spiritual dis-orders .. and we’re ALL payin for it
Is Operation Rescue going to come forward and help her pay her bills? Nope, the kids are born, they are no longer important. Now it’s time for the socialists to come in and help where the anti-choice nutzis won’t.
If she declared herself to be a lez b ian, you Libs would be on her side.
Dadman had it right, Libs don’t like to have Government make moral decisions, except for when they do want Government to make moral decisions.
“beber” asks –
“You mean conservatives would have aborted some of the fetuses, as is generally the practice?”
You beat me to it, “beber.”
I think we can all agree this woman is probably not the brightest pencil in the deck, but it is routine in cases of fertility-drug-induced multiple-fetuses to terminate some of them.
Illegal Abortion Advocates should make her and her Guinness record litter their poster children.
Oh, wait. They’re already born. Never mind…
“Is Operation Rescue going to come forward and help her pay her bills?”
Why should they? This gal had the babies, she can pay for them.
Tiller is in mourning when he heard the news of eight babies delivered.
probably not the brightest pencil in the deck
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Hey,
Since when did pencils come in a ‘deck’?
Daddyboy,
“..but in all reality .. liberalism – secular humanism – Atheism are ALL mental/spiritual dis-orders .. ”
Okay, get out your history books and find me a space of 17 consecutive years, a mere 1% of the time since christians gained political power, where christians haven’t been killing each other and anyone else they could get their hands on over matters of religion. Let’s see who’s disorderd.
“Since when did pencils come in a ‘deck’?”
My wife calls me a pencil deck.
I know Fleetie.
She told me.
What happened to the Mother’s right to chose?
In this case, she chose life, 14 times.
Now y’all want to make this decision for her?
Afraid she’ll suck up all the welfare money you want for yer selves?
Dearest Mr. McJed . . . ever hear of Hitler and Joseph Stalin and or the Muslims nations ??? .. from what I understand .. N Korea and Japan also un-Christian .. PS: the Roman Catholic “church” is not Christian (man made religion) .. although they claim to be
Human women are not meant to give birth to litters.
Even twins raise the risks of pregnancy sharply.
The point is not legislating morality, although I think the woman is a nut job.
The point is that whichever doctor allowed this to happen needs to have his license revoked immediately. It was not “in the best interests of the patient”.
Expert advise from Dr. Wahine?
Doesn’t Wahine mean Prostitute?
“PS: the Roman Catholic “church” is not Christian (man made religion) .. although they claim to be”
Oooooh, you’re one of those.
That explains a LOT!
I’ve always wondered if you guys have a problem with Orthodox Christians too. If it’s just the Pope that’s a problem or the worship practices themselves.
Curiosity.
Just kiddin Fleet.
Your wife never told me that.
She can keep a secret. :)
Just a few more years. And not a medical doctor, God no. I hate blood.
Any fool can read the literature that proves, without a doubt, that multiples greatly increase the risk to both the mother and the children. But you guys hate science, I forgot.
Wahine–pidgin–woman.
Where’s all the outrage at fertility clinics? Where are the clinic protestors. Don’t you know that they either abort babies, keep babies frozen for years and years, or destroy babies in a furnace?
Maybe there’s no outrage because there’s no sex involved.
“ANTI,” built too close to the ground, asks –
“Since when did pencils come in a ‘deck’?”
WHOOOSH!
It’s ok to have 14 abortions, but it’s not ok to have 14 babies.
I see.
That Right To Choose only works in one direction.
Wahine_Tara
Posted February 4, 2009 at 2:37 pm | Permalink
Maybe there’s no outrage because there’s no sex involved.
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Oh, but there might have been an emotional attachment formed to the syringe.
Word is, the woman’s family and neighbors are not at all happy with her.
The medical counsel this woman was given needs some serious investigation.
I’m sure the Libs will steal the babies away from the Mother very soon.
Choice?
Nope. Only if you Choose Death.
“Wahine_Tara
Posted February 4, 2009 at 2:35 pm | Permalink
Where’s all the outrage at fertility clinics? Where are the clinic protestors. Don’t you know that they either abort babies, keep babies frozen for years and years, or destroy babies in a furnace?”
I have always wondered that too. If the pro-lifers truely believe that fertilized eggs are human babies, they should be protesting fertility clinics. They should also be working to have invitro outlawed because it leads to fertilized eggs being destroyed in most cases.
14 babies is fine. Being able to support them would be nice, but we can’t control a woman’s body by limiting their reproduction.
8 babies means that 8 embryos were implanted. This is wrong. Any doctor will tell you that.
Why do you hate babies? I would never put any baby in a deep freezer.
“JimJohnson
Posted February 4, 2009 at 2:49 pm | Permalink
Choice?
Nope. Only if you Choose Death.”
quite the drama queen today aren’t you
Jed says: “Daddyboy . . . Okay, get out your history books and find me a space of 17 consecutive years, a mere 1% of the time since christians gained political power, where christians haven’t been killing each other and anyone else they could get their hands on over matters of religion. Let’s see who’s disorderd.”
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and then “daddyboy” says: . . . Dearest Mr. McJed . . . ever hear of Hitler and Joseph Stalin and or the Muslims nations ??? .. from what I understand .. N Korea and Japan also un-Christian .. PS: the Roman Catholic “church” is not Christian (man made religion) .. although they claim to be
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well . . . . I guess Mr. Jed must callin his “history” proff and saying: “why in the hell did you brainwash me with this crap??” . . . lol :)
“Wahine_Tara
Posted February 4, 2009 at 2:51 pm | Permalink
…
Why do you hate babies? I would never put any baby in a deep freezer.”
Whomever believes that fertilized eggs are living humans should be outraged at invitro. If those fertilized eggs are babies, then they must have the same legal rights as born babies. Thus, whomever freezes them would be guilty of breaking the same laws that would be broken if a 2 year old is put in a freezer.
Wahine_Tara makes a good point. These kids were all virgin births so are the fundies going to worship these kids as a messiah? Looks like they’ll be living a life of poverty, just like the Bible tells Christians to do.
Brian,
It’s because of the sex. That’s the only way to explain it.
You would logically expect pro-lifers to be for birth control, but they’re often not.
The thought of women having sex and not making babies because of it is horrifying.
It implies that women are–gasp–enjoying sex and not just doing their duty.
Those slots!
When artificially induced multiple fetuses are aborted, they are sold to Starbucks and served with crumpets.
Wahine_Tara
Posted February 4, 2009 at 2:51 pm | Permalink
14 babies is fine. Being able to support them would be nice, but we can’t control a woman’s body by limiting their reproduction.
8 babies means that 8 embryos were implanted. This is wrong. Any doctor will tell you that.
Why do you hate babies? I would never put any baby in a deep freezer.
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So, is that embryo now a baby?
It’s ok to kill an embryo but not to freeze it?
As for drama queens Noovoo, go chase BJ’s tail. Too bad for you that I’m not gay.
When Chas is done with BJ, you might be able to have a turn.
Alex: The answer is, “WHOOOSH!”.
Ding ding ding!!!
Alex: ANTI you have rang in first!
ANTI: What is the sound made between a Lib’s ears?
Alex: Correct!
“JimJohnson
Posted February 4, 2009 at 3:11 pm | Permalink
As for drama queens Noovoo, go chase BJ’s tail. Too bad for you that I’m not gay.
When Chas is done with BJ, you might be able to have a turn.”
don’t know what brought that on…are you projecting or melting down?
“JimJohnson
Posted February 4, 2009 at 3:11 pm | Permalink
As for drama queens Noovoo, go chase BJ’s tail. Too bad for you that I’m not gay.
When Chas is done with BJ, you might be able to have a turn.”
thanks for the case in point for being a drama queen though.
“So, is that embryo now a baby?
It’s ok to kill an embryo but not to freeze it?”
Neither is ok, my faith is very clear on this. But I also don’t call for either to be prohibited by law.
You guys are the hypocrites.
Still waiting on someone to prove me wrong by providing a logically consistent explanation on why in-vitro is okay and should be legal while abortion is bad and should not.
It’s about the sex, isn’t it? Just admit it.
She should have scccraaaaped them all out.
Imagine the carbon footprint’s that those little eco-killer’s are going to leave.
What a selfish person, think of the trees once in a while, will ya?
Wahine_Tara,
I think it will be pretty quite on this blog now… unless someone tries to change the subject.
It is nearly impossible to get pro-lifers to answer a direct question about their stance.
Some people are saying that she should have been forced to undergo selective reduction.
I’m not one of those people.
The doctor who stuck 8 embryos in her is a quack.
Have they released his name?
I think it will be pretty quite on this blog now
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I AM NOT USING MY INSIDE VOICE!
And while they’re twiddlign their thumbs there are babies being frozen RIGHT NOW!
Is it okay to put a baby in a freezer?
Let me rephrase that.
Should it be ILLEGAL to put a baby in a freezer?
is it a bad baby?
The pro-choice position is always that a woman has the right to choose. We would hope that it means responsibly. Economic ability to care for the children PROPERLY plays a huge role in choice. So when you are looking at pointing the finger at the pro-choice side for this as ‘choice’, it isn’t. This woman is deranged, and the whole situation is sad for those babies.
She was willing to put her life on the line to carry 8. To me, ok, fine. However, she also had six other children she was selfishly not thinking about, and family members who have had to care for her and her other children. How is she going to handle raising 8 babies alone? She won’t, she’ll force her other children to help. Now to me, that is a setup for abuse/neglect. Just like in the FLDS camps where girls are expected to be baby factories as soon as they menstruate.
And as with one birth- if the mother is unable to properly care for her children, they should be removed. You really have to wonder what her motives were.
Your job as a parent isn’t merely to breed- but to parent in the optimal situation possible for their health and happiness.
Watch out, this lady has Giant versions of Gerbil Wheels she has set up in her house. She’s using all her kids to run on Gerbil Wheels, to generate electricity, that she’s selling to her neighbors.
P-Mom,
This mother of 14 apparently has some serious mental problems. She wasn’t able to care for the previous six, and yet felt so compelled to have more that she sought out a fertility clinic. This pregnancy wasn’t an accident, and it wasn’t an accident that there were octuplets. This was a deliberate act both on her part and on the part of the doctor who fed her compulsion. Whoever this doctor is, he should be prosecuted, and the mother needs to be treated in a facility where she will not be allowed a means to get pregnant again, or ordered to undergo a tubal ligation. What she is doing amounts to child abuse.
Daddyboy,
“Dearest Mr. McJed . . . ever hear of Hitler and Joseph Stalin and or the Muslims nations ??? .. from what I understand .. N Korea and Japan also un-Christian .. PS: the Roman Catholic “church” is not Christian (man made religion) .. although they claim to be.”
Well, let’s see. Hitler was born Catholic and promoted paganism. Not atheist, not humanist, and certainly not liberal. Stalin claimed to be a Marxist, and Marxism while claiming to be atheist, invokes much the same belief system a religion does. Not really atheism, dictators are hardly humanists, and Stalin was a paranoid, not a liberal. Islam? Atheist, humanist, liberal? You gotta be kidding! Japan? I’ve known Japanese christians, and they certainly didn’t seem particularly put-upon.
And the catholic church isn’t christian? Gee, thanks for confirming what I said earlier- straight from the horse’s uh, mouth, folks!
By the way, I’ve never claimed to be atheist or secular humanist or even liberal, just not christian.
Tara,
“Is it okay to put a baby in a freezer?”
Well, we did, and on orders from the pediatrician. It brought his fever down from 106F to 102 in the 45min. it took the ambulance to get there. That was 35 years ago, and he’s still kicking!
“in all reality .. liberalism – secular humanism – Atheism are ALL mental/spiritual dis-orders .. and we’re ALL payin for it”—dadman
dadman, your statement is brilliant, spot-on accurate and said with few words.
A sign of superior intelligence.
“Tara,
“Is it okay to put a baby in a freezer?”
Well, we did, and on orders from the pediatrician. It brought his fever down from 106F to 102 in the 45min. it took the ambulance to get there. That was 35 years ago, and he’s still kicking!”
You’re kidding, right? That’s the most insane thing I’ve ever heard and I’ve been a nurse for over 20 years.
“in all reality .. liberalism – secular humanism – Atheism are ALL mental/spiritual dis-orders .. and we’re ALL payin for it”—dadman”
How do you explain that? So in other words, anyone who isn’t a fundamentalist Christian is crazy? Seems you are being a little judgemental to me.
FYI to all young parents: NEVER put a baby in the freezer to bring down a temp…you put the baby in room temperature water or wipe him down with cool wash cloths. Never put a child in a refrigerator under any circumstances. That’s really dangerous. And Jed, why didn’t you just drive your baby to the hospital if it took the ambulance 45 minutes to get there?
““in all reality .. liberalism – secular humanism – Atheism are ALL mental/spiritual dis-orders ”
Actually? Belief in an invisible “God” would seem far more indicative of a delusional or needful mind.
“Now it’s time for the socialists to come in and help where the anti-choice nutzis won’t.’
But wasn’t this HER choice? Why would the pro lifers be responsible for her kids? She obviously wanted them so much she went through a lot of trouble to have them….I think what she did was crazy, but if you’re going to be pro choice, doesn’t that mean you believe that it’s her body and she should have as many kids as she wants?
If not, then what does “pro choice” mean?
“Whoever this doctor is, he should be prosecuted, and the mother needs to be treated in a facility where she will not be allowed a means to get pregnant again, or ordered to undergo a tubal ligation. What she is doing amounts to child abuse.”
But doesn’t that interfere with her reproductive rights? Seems she’s more “pro choice” than most of you are!
My question is…how the heck did she come up with the money do to this? Getting pregnant this way is really, really expensive.
Mary,
I imagine it would cost even more money to find a doctor to do something so unethical.
Whoever this doctor is, he/she had a much different motivation than acting in the best interests of the patient.
“…ordered to undergo a tubal ligation”
Ugh, no no no. That’s scary. The idea of someone being forced to undergo a permanent sterilization procedure gives me the shivers!
I agree with Mary on the “choice” issue. Being pro-choice means ACCEPTING the choice someone makes, be it abortion, adoption or having the child.
In this case, I believe that the woman in question is bat stuff crazy and irresponsible, but she made HER choice.
That, I have to accept.
I’ll agree she’s nuts!! And there ARE some people I would like to see get sterilized. I think we should pay a cash bonus to drug addicted women/men to get sterilized..it would save a lot of money and pain in the long run.
There was a program in California that was privately funded to do this (for women)..I’m not sure if it still exists…but it should.
Mary,
“And Jed, why didn’t you just drive your baby to the hospital if it took the ambulance 45 minutes to get there?”
At the time, we lived way out in the boondocks and it would’ve taken us close to an hour to get to the hospital. So, we did what our pediatrician told us to do.
Tara,
““…ordered to undergo a tubal ligation”
Ugh, no no no. That’s scary. The idea of someone being forced to undergo a permanent sterilization procedure gives me the shivers!”
Yes, I agree that forced sterilization is scary,gives me the shivers too and should only be considered in the most extreme of circumstances. But a woman who is so compulsively driven to place herself and her children at mortal risk that she ignores her responsibilities as a mother for both the health and financial well-being of her children needs effective societal intervention before the 14 become 28 or more children, with serious medical problems, suffering and impossible costs. I also believe that the doctors who agreed to implant her ought to be held liable for the children’s financial support and medical costs into adulthood or as long as necessary.