The dossier that India sent to Pakistan this week about the attacks in Mumbai included chilling transcripts of phone conversations between the terrorists and their handlers, believed to be in Pakistan. Those transcripts detail calculated, cold-blooded instructions to kill hostages and to “inflict the maximum damage.” In one conversation, the New York Times reported, an attacker asked whether to spare women (”Kill them,” he was told) and Muslims (he was told to release them and kill the rest). The attackers also were told to kill Jews in order to “spoil relations between India and Israel” and urged to fight as “a matter of the prestige of Islam.”
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No doubt these Pakistani Muslims felt threatened by Israel being so close and all. (eye roll)
Terrorists are killers in every country and must be put down asap. Islam is the religion of death too many.
Just as a rabid animal does not represent all animals of it’s species, neither do Muslim or Arabs or Persian terrorists represent their people as a whole.
But just as a rabid animal must be put down so must the terrorists of any group.
Islam == the religion of peace ??????
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
at least that is what the left thinks
http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame
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dadman
Posted January 8, 2009 at 8:34 am | Permalink
Islam == the religion of peace ??????
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
at least that is what the left thinks
http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame
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I don’t think there is such thing as “a religion of peace.” In fact when I look back at history I see religion as the tool that has riled people enough, been the adequate excuse, filled people with enough hate to be able to wage war and kill other humans. ALL religions have a faction that seems quite UNpeaceful to me!
There are evil people in every country, in every group (no matter whether it is a recognized religion or not) and too many of them accomplish their evil deeds in the name of their god.
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lindainks55
Posted January 8, 2009 at 9:02 am | Permalink
I don’t think there is such thing as “a religion of peace.” In fact when I look back at history I see religion as the tool that has riled people enough, been the adequate excuse, filled people with enough hate to be able to wage war and kill other humans. ALL religions have a faction that seems quite UNpeaceful to me!
There are evil people in every country, in every group (no matter whether it is a recognized religion or not) and too many of them accomplish their evil deeds in the name of their god.
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To my knowledge, there has never been any women from my church that strapped on a bomb and blew something up.
Is that the only evil in our world? Are there other ways religion is used as a tool for evil?
Evil uses what it can for its goals and it turns out religion is a tool that has been used by evil through the ages.
I’m pro life…but what about the “Christian” woman who shot Tiller? What about the “Christian” women who belonged to the KKK and witnessed and participated in blacks being lynched in the South? I think if you look into it…you’ll find plenty of women who have taken part in violence in the name of their God.
Religion has been used through the ages to perpetrate evil…long before the Israelis and Palestinians. Unfortunatly, it continues today..even in our own country.
Don’t forget to add youself to the mix Linda and Caruso .. even secular Humanists / atheists are “religious” .. e.g: Joseph Stalin . . . but will you all notice ladies and gentelmen that when this subject arises .. there are those who minimumize the atrocities of the Muslim faction/s by saying “well .. everyone does it” and then they exclude themselves . . . . very telling
PS: just because someone calls themself a Christian dosent make it so .. atheists LOVE to play that game
Quran (Sura=chapter) 8:12
I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike
“PS: just because someone calls themself a Christian dosent make it so .. atheists LOVE to play that game”
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Just because a person says they are a Muslim or a Buddhist or an alien… doesn’t make it so either.
Seems we are saying pretty much the same thing — there are good and not so good people who say they are something different, or represent themselves as what they aren’t.
Some of these evil people say they represent a religion and commit their evil deeds in the name of that religion’s deity.
“Quran (Sura=chapter) 8:12
I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike”
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dadman, if you want to hate an entire group of people for what one sentence (taken out of context) says in their book, go right ahead. That’s your decision.
Minimize .. Minimize .. Minimize . . . blah blah blah
Now lets all watch Linda explain the context of Quran 8:12
Caruso must of gone to the bathroom
well .. since Linda can’t explain the context of Quran 8:12 .. maybe she’ll do better with this one .. Quran (Sura=chapter) 9:30
And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah… Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they!
Well .. ok .. since Linda and Caruso can’t debate .. then I’ll leave with this . . . .
LONG LIVE THE 1948 UN-MEMBER-NATION / STATE of ISRAEL ==========
On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said: “To your descendants [ the Jewish people ] I give this land [ Israel ] from the river of Egypt to the great river .. the Euphrates” . . . . . Genesis 15:18
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Yall have a great day
http://www.nwrnetwork.com/radiostations/RealAnswersRadio/player/embedded_player.php?bw=high
I’m sorry .. but I just could’nt let this one go
Quran (Sura=chapter) 5:33
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement
Regular – There have been cases of Christian terrorists but just because they don’t come from your church, then it does not count – is that how your logic goes?
dadman – there are alot of scriptures in the Bible that can also be taken out of context.
As long as there are people in all religions willing to spread their hate and use violence to justify their hate, the world will continue to see wars and the terrorism will never cease.
But some people believe as long as the US goes in with guns blazing to kill all the Muslims, then the problem will go away. That is not the way to solve this problem. Violence only reaps more violence.
I’m reminded of the Candyman during WWII. This was the man that dropped bags of candy to the German children to show the compassion and love of the US and not just the bombs dropping from the war planes. To this day, the Candyman is well known among the Germans and we have developed an alliance with Germany. We need to start developing an alliance with the future of these Muslim countries, the children, and instead of killing everyone in sight, maybe we need to start showing some compassion and only killing those radical Muslims who are actually doing the killing.
I remember an old saying that goes like this: “If you want to make and keep friends, don’t ever discuss religion, politics or sports.” How about those Packers, huh?
WAR needs to go write a hand written letter to his grandma
dadman needs to go wash his mind out with soap.
I’m a bit confused about this article. It says that India sent Pakistan a dossier that included transcripts of telephone conversations between “… the terrorists and their handlers” that included instructions about how to carry out these raids and assaults. This indicates that India had prior knowledge but did not intervene. Does anyone else come to this conclusion?
Sorry Mom, but your facts about the ‘candyman’ is a bit off.
The ‘candyman’ was during the Berlin Airlift after the Soviet Union (Russia) had sealed off Berlin and prevented any supplies to enter by truck.
Everything had to be flown in or dropped by parachute.
Miniature parachutes with candy attached became of favorite thing for Airmen to do in drops over Berlin.
There is no Religion of peace, in fact most evil in the world springs from the fountain of religious thinking.
9/11, child molestation and cover up by the Catholic church, the troubles in N. Ireland, the Holocaust, Bosnian Civil War, Partion of India, more bombing than one can count, Fred Phelps, Jim Jones, David Koresh,
Sorry Tom .. but Liberals – Socialists – Atheists – Moral relativists – Environmentalists – Secular Humanists – Anarchists – Unitiarians – New Agers – progressives etc etc .. are just as ‘religious’ as anyone else ( if not more ) . . . . sorry . . but you can’t divorce yourself from religion . . . It’s what you believe and simply needs to be defined
“progressives etc etc .. are just as ‘religious’ ”
You can argue that. But atheists don’t try to make the world function within the parameters of an old book.
Blah blah blah
Nowhere in the New Testament is anything like forced converson (which is an intellectual & emotional impossibility anyway) ever advocated – if anything, quite the opposite is true (Rev 22:11) . . . you can’t blame Christianity for some Satanic event that some idiot/s enact under the banner of or in the name of “God and Christianity” . . . . ie: The ‘holy’ Roman Catholic Church – KKK / Fred Phelps . . . etc. etc.
Thee, thou, shalt, cubit..
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BlueJay
Posted January 8, 2009 at 10:17 am | Permalink
“progressives etc etc .. are just as ‘religious’ ”
You can argue that. But atheists don’t try to make the world function within the parameters of an old book.
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Atheists just invoke Freudian analogy into a sleuth of cow pie and rotted fish menagerie.
Do not undermine your worth by comparing yourself with others. It is because we are different that each of us is special.
I’m still waiting for Linda to explain the context of Quran 8:12 since she seems to be able to “lecture” me about how I took it out of context .. hhhhmmmmm ????
You’re going to have a long wait, I hope you’re comfortable. I don’t feel any obligation to acquiesce to any of your requests.
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lindainks55
Posted January 8, 2009 at 9:26 am | Permalink
“Quran (Sura=chapter) 8:12
I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike”
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dadman, if you want to hate an entire group of people for what one sentence (taken out of context) says in their book, go right ahead. That’s your decision.
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Do whatever you choose. It isn’t for me to decide what you do, think, or how you act.
WTF makes cons think any of us would defend Muslims?
Or any religion for that matter?
Sky gods are sky gods, no matter what the flavor.
As usual, the answer is found in the Gospel According To John Prine.
“Pretty good, not bad, I cant complain. But actually, all them gods are just about the same”.
Heheheheh. When I was in town yesterday, someone stopped me in the grocery store and said they just downloaded some John Prine. She said she’d never heard of him until I started quoting him in my column.
Now she wants to buy the boxed set.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
Another convert….
Personally, I’d like to attend the Church of the What’s Happenin’ Now. You know, google Flip Wilson.
TomPaine
Posted January 8, 2009 at 10:02 am | Permalink
There is no Religion of peace, in fact most evil in the world springs from the fountain of religious thinking.
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Have you ever met a Mennonite or Amish person. Talk with them about peace and violence. Your statement isn’t correct.
Linda says: “dadman, if you want to hate an entire group of people for what one sentence (taken out of context) says in their book, go right ahead. That’s your decision”
Sorry Linda .. you’re wrong again .. I don’t hate anyone .. I just see them for what they believe and what their adgenda is .. it’s better than sticking my head in the sand and minimizing and making excuses for them [ like you ].. especially when they are exercising the dictates of their religion = world conquest and domination and the total elimination of a UN-MEMBER NATION STATE Israel .. have you compared the amount of land that the Arabs own compared to that of the Jews ?? . . . . very telling
Religion of “peace” indeed
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
And dadman, as usual, is full of baloney.
“Sorry Linda .. you’re wrong again .. I don’t hate anyone .. I just see them for what they believe and what their adgenda is .. it’s better than sticking my head in the sand and minimizing and making excuses for them [ like you ]..”
Well first off, I’ve NEVER seen Linda defend, minimize or make excuses for muslim extremists. If you have a link, post it.
And secondly, “I just see them for what they believe and what their adgenda is”.
The same could be said for many of us here, not Linda necessarily, but others of us, about the christianists too.
Pot. Kettle. etc….
Actually OK, I almost exempted the Mennonites(which the Amish are part of) but even they have been victims of persecutions for not saluting the flag and severing in the military.
And dadman Atheism is a religon as much as not collecting stamps is a hobby, and nothing stops socialists from being religoous last I checked the Catholic Worker is still published. Nothing prevents environmentalists and humanists from being religious also. And Last I checked Unitarians and New Agers are religions, in fact Unitarians fall under the umbrella of Christianity
WTF? Linda never attacks anyone here. She may not drink your kookaide, but she doesnt attack.
The fact that you wingnuts have to attack her and say really mean things about her just shows what nitwit bullies you are.
Pick on someone your own size. Like JR or I.
Linda doesnt deserve it.
Oh yeah, and she didnt ask me to defend her or call or email me to come here….
BIG effin’ eye roll.
Oh those wacky “mainstream” christians.
Educate yourselves about these folks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theology_of_Anabaptism
Oh .. let’s all get into our fetal positions .. victims . victims . victims .. typical liberals .. let’s all have a big cry for Linda
WHAT ABOUT THE ATHEIST ??????
When Christopher Hitchens observes that, “Religion is violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children,” he is both right and wrong.
Hitchens is right because humankind is sinful and selfish. Indeed, I believe it was G.K. Chesterton who said that the one Christian doctrine that was demonstrably provable, even to casual observers, was the sinfulness and depravity of man. Thus, human expressions of the religious impulse will inevitably produce some religious practices and beliefs that would fit Hitchens’ rather grim description.
Human history is replete with such flawed expressions of religious faith.
However, this would be true of all secular philosophies and ideologies as well. Three of the most heinous and barbaric ideologies, which produced the greatest cruelties and violations of humanity in the 20th century, were fascism, Nazism and communism—all secular.
Hitchens is wrong in that he condemns all religious expression to the category of such violent and negative expressions. Many of the noblest expressions of humanity throughout the centuries have been performed in the name of religion.
One thinks of William Wilberforce and his long campaign to end the slave trade in the British Empire. Both the British and American abolitionist movements were founded, nurtured, financed and led to victory against the horrific evil of slavery by people who were most often inspired and motivated by deep religious conviction.
The great social reform movements of the last half of the 19th and the first half of the 20th century (child labor reform, etc.) were often led by people of deep religious faith, Protestant and Catholic.
And of course, in the lifetime of many of us who were born in the last half of the 20th century, the most successful and greatest reform movement was the civil rights revolution, led by a Baptist minister, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., who often said that the movement and the faith that inspired it could not be separated.
As many will remember, the civil rights revolution was supported by and led to victory in large part because of the leadership of clergy, black and white.
Lastly, one is led to ask Mr. Hitchens some questions. Where are the great atheist-sponsored charitable and reform movements? Where are the atheist children homes and orphanages? Where are the atheist leaders who are taking vows of poverty and giving themselves in sacrificial service to others? As Arthur C. Brooks, professor at Syracuse University, points out in his recent book, Who Really Cares? (2006): Religious people are far more generous with their own time and money than secularists. Brooks concludes, “Religious folks are by far the most charitable people in America today.”
. . . . . Dr Richard Land
I think it’s so funny that they try so hard to convince themselves that the science supporting man made climate change is a religion, atheism is a religion, support of equality is religion….
Jesus WEPT!
Why label everything as a religion? Do they think it makes them and their wacked out religions look better?
A little more education for the resident nitwits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion
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ksfarmgrrl
Posted January 8, 2009 at 11:09 am | Permalink
A little more education for the resident nitwits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion
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So, Father, Son and the Holy Gore is no longer applicable?
Regular .. you kill me .. LOL
Staged event.
Yeah, I’m supposed to believe that devout Muslim “extremists” injected themselves with LSD and speed to carry out the attacks (as opposed to doing out of reverence for Allah).
I do believe however, that it was used to aggravate tensions between the two countries. And I do believe that they were coached. I do believe that the only way to get these dudes to do that horror was to get ‘em all “jacked up”.
Mission Accomplished.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/3540964/Mumbai-attacks-Terrorists-took-cocaine-to-stay-awake-during-assault.html
And maybe a “good christian” woman doesn’t blow herself up. But I’ve known of many that don’t mind cheating on their husband’s or drowning their own children.
One can argue the plus and minus of religions until the cows come home, or the chiefs go to a super bowl, and accomplish nothing in the process. http://www.adherents.com/ lists over 4200 religions, each with its own recipe for heavenly bliss. Pick one . . .