It’s time for the United Nations to shed its impotency and impose tough sanctions on Israel. That would be the least the U.N. could do after sitting silently for years through a “peace process” that Israel has used as a cover to grab Palestinian land. Israel’s air raids in Gaza started just before New Year’s began, when Gazans were out in the streets. It has targeted residential buildings to go after Hamas leaders, fully aware that civilians would die. It is using white phosphorus to cover the advance of ground troops, a weapon that burns skin on contact and is unlawful if used where civilians are present. But the U.S. for years has argued against sanctions, backed up by its Security Council veto. So long as it continues that stance, the U.N. will fail in its role of maintaining the international peace. – John B. Quigley, Ohio State University law professor
The cause for the current fighting – and its morality – is exceedingly clear. Since its bloody ouster of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah party from the Gaza Strip 18 months ago, Hamas has established a virtual terrorist enclave there. The radical Islamist movement has used its time not to govern but to build up a formidable arsenal of weapons – arms it has used to wage a systematic campaign of asymmetric terror against Israel. For years, the Israeli government did little in response to Hamas’ provocations, hoping it could hammer out some sort of “cold peace” with the militants next door. All of that changed last month, when Hamas abrogated a six-month ceasefire with new rocket attacks against Israel. The U.S. should use its U.N. Security Council seat to ensure that Israel can fully attain its strategic objectives. – Ilan Berman, vice president for policy, American Foreign Policy Council
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It would be nice if Congress cut off funding of the Israeli war machine as it’s just been used to slaughter civilians. How can cluster bombs and chemical weapons be pinpoint attacks against particular targets? And why are they bombing schools and apartment buildings when it’s well known civilians reside inside? But I suspect the “pro-lifers” are more than happy to see some more infidels die.
Everybody on both sides need to die, before this problem is resolved.
The UN could serve a most useful function if it would shut the hell up and stay out of this.
Hamas has been attacking Israel with rockets for a long while. The Israelis have rightfully decided that enough is enough and it’s time to get tough. It’s too bad that civilians are dying? Hamas wasn’t exactly picking only military targets when firing those missiles, now were they?
Cut off Israel’s military funding? Just as soon as you can see to it that Hamas smuggles no more weapons and stops the rocket attacks!
As far as I’m concerned, Israel can clean Palestine out completely.
Hamas brought this on. They have sown the wind. Now they will reap the whirlwind, and I have no sympathy for them.
I’m not a “pro-Lifer,” I am an “Infidel,” and I approve this message!
“All politics is local,” said Tip O’Neill.
Elections are coming up in February and this is merely hard-right wingnuts flexing their muscles is an electoral pageant.
Just another one of George WMD Bush’s failures: his mission to promote democracy in the Middle East.
Post-Arafat Palestinians had the audacity to democratically elect some members of Hamas to the Knesset, so the hard-line Zionists refused to recognize the election. This year they’ve actually banned Arabs from voting in February.
(Do I need to re-post my “Pick your enemies carefully…” post? I will, you know.)
As far as I’m concerned, Israel can clean Palestine out completely.
Ah that old Christian love!
I’m a bit tired of moderation myself. I’m also full up with basing cartography, geopolitics, and US international relations on a 2000 year old book.
The UN should sanction Israel and the US should cut off ALL aid.
Sanction Israel?
We ought to take lessons from them.
They are preforming exceptionally well.
It sounds an awful lot like you are advocating genocide for reasons based in religion there Fiore.
There aint a dimes worth of difference between someone like you and radical Islam but a different take on the same old stories.
“The Israelis have rightfully decided that enough is enough and it’s time to get tough. It’s too bad that civilians are dying? Hamas wasn’t exactly picking only military targets when firing those missiles, now were they?”—Fiore_Buccieri
Exactly, good points. One thing you left out, Hamas is using their own population, including women and children, from schools and hospitals. They are storing munitions and missiles and using them those facilities. That is a choice Hamas is making and the reason civilians are being hurt. If we were attacked who, except some of the diseased minds posting here, would would want their protection abandoned because the enemy was firing there missiles from areas with civilians.
“Youhoo, oh youhoo, you can’t shoot anymore, I am hiding behind these civilians and fighting from here, but you can’t shoot, those are my rules.
“I’m also full up with basing cartography, geopolitics, and US international relations on a 2000 year old book.”—BlowJ
Right, like the dark hating the light, something like that BlowJ?
“Ah that old Christian love!”
“It sounds an awful lot like you are advocating genocide for reasons based in religion there Fiore.”
I made no mention of any religious beliefs anywhere in my post. On a lighter note, I cannot BELIEVE that you think I’m a Christian, let alone believe in the Bible as anything but a book of stories, poems, etc. And where on Earth did you get this ridiculous notion that I consider it more than that? I’ve let my opinion of so-called “revealed religion” on here be known time and again, but just to be emphatic: I think it’s rubbish.
“There aint a dimes worth of difference between someone like you and radical Islam but a different take on the same old stories.”
Of course there is. I don’t believe in the “same old stories.” I happen to be right. They’re not. I’m a pragmatist. Hamas would not hesitate to level Israel if they were in a position to do so. They started this. Israel should finish it, once and for all.
I will not retract or modify my opinion. It remains as I’ve written it.
Might I add that when you fight a war, history shows that a very effective method is to take the battle to the civilian sector until they turn against their leaders for involving them in the first place. It was one of the points that helped win the war in Europe.
“Boxlock20″ –
The British thought George Washington was fighting an immoral war because his soldiers hid behind trees.
It’s absurd that a nation — Israel — which won its land in 1948 after winning a
guerrillaterrorist war would try to play the “It’s no fair!” card to justify its genocidal strategy.Nearly 5,000 Palestinians have become casualties since the Israelis attacked Gaza. Three Israeli citizens have died in that time due to hostile fire.
“Pick your enemies carefully….”
“Fiore_Buccieri” declares –
“I will not retract or modify my opinion.”
Yeah.
Why continue thinking about it?
47 countries that make up the UN Human Rights Council voted yesterday to condemn Israel for it’s actions in Gaza. The vote was 46-1, with only Canada voting aginst the motion. It should be noted the US is not a member of the Council and the majority of those who are, have no moral right to codemn anyone by reason of their own actions at home and abroad. Just another agenda filled committee raising stupid resolutions in the UN…..again.
FINE Fiore, your reasons are not based in religion.
You’ll forgive me for getting it wrong. From your post, you seem to see Israel as perfectly justified in anything that they do.
Well the fact of it is is that their nation could not possibly be located in a more unfortunate place. From that start, they practice very hard at being an onerous and easily disliked neighbor. Voila! Violence the last 60 years and no end in sight.
And YOUR final solution is for Israel to annihilate the people that surround them?
How DID I get it wrong about what drove your opinion?
I wish the United States would tell the United Nations to move its headquarters somewhere else. Too much human filth like Arafat and Iran’s president (I can pronounce the name but can’t spell it) come in this country and the whinny ass liberals all flock to them.
I have no use for the United Nations and a lot of other Americans feel the same way.
The Useless Nations should be sanctioning the muslims for all the years of bombing and rocket attacks; not the other way around; get the UN out of the US
I think a new version of the UN should be formed among the countries that practice true Democracy. It could dangle a lot of carrots that would make it desirable to join. We need to find a way to disempower tyrannical and oppressive governments, like North Korea, China, etc.
“It has targeted residential buildings to go after Hamas leaders, fully aware that civilians would die.”
Where is the outrage that Hamas leaders are hiding in residential buildings. Are the Hamas leaders fully aware that civilians, there own civilians, would die?
Should U.N. sanction Israel?
Why?
Because Israel is winning the conflict?
I think most of us feel outrage at BOTH sides. Like I said before, there are no good guys in this conflict.
Where’s the outrage, “fleettwood” –
That people elected in democratic elections were prevented from taking their duly earned seats in the Knesset?
Three civilian Israeli casualties.
5,000 Palestinian casualties.
Do the math.
Because Israel has persecuted the Palestinians for decades now. The atrocities are rampant on BOTH sides.
“That people elected in democratic elections were prevented from taking their duly earned seats in the Knesset?”
Hamas, your heroes, hide in residential buildings.
5,000 to 3. Running up the score look bad. Take out the first team. Or maybe take off the helmets and body armor so they can make score look more respectable.
Oh, this isn’t a game?
Once they decided to go, Israel intends to inflict major damage on Hamas. Otherwise it will be quickly back to the status quo, which would be unacceptable to any nation.
“Some 15 rockets and mortar shells were fired toward Israel Tuesday, causing no injuries, the army said.”
Maybe Hamas should go to Aiming Skool.
There must be no appeasement with the Hamas and other Muslim terrorists, Israel must survive. It is difficult for the Muslim religion to accept Israel’s right to live in peace. Israel should not have given Hamas an opportunity to smuggle in arms, rockets and bombs from other Arab countries. If you wait for action by the UN you are dead.
Since Israel’s history is ignoring UN sanctions, should we invade?
“george” declares –
“…Israel must survive. “
Not that I necessarily disagree, but I’m getting ever closer to the question, “Why?”
We know you’re out there Hamas. We can feel you now. We know that you’re afraid… you’re afraid of us, Israelis.
You’re afraid that we might come after you.
We didn’t come here to tell you how this is going to end. We came here to tell you how it’s going to begin.
We will expose the fangs of Hamas, those who bear a fake smile.
Then we are going to show people what you don’t want them to see. We are going to show them a world you made that is ugly Hamas.
A world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries; a world where lies and hate make nightmares possible…
Where we go from there is a choice I leave to Hamas.
Like the jackals they are, they only know the kill and pestilence of carnage and torturous aftermaths they create themselves.
We Israelis are coming Hamas, we are here and we will stay until you can no long find your mother’s comfort. You will depart this world with no hope and no dreams. You will die empty Hamas.
While there is blame on both sides, there is also no doubt as to the truth of the following:
If the Palestinians and their supplier states disarmed tomorrow, there would be peace.
If Israel disarmed tomorrow, it would cease to exist.
Everything else is subject to that truth. As long as that is the case, Israel will do whatever it takes to maintain its existance. Hamas incited this conflict, and knew full well that its own civilians would take the brunt of the casualties; indeed, they were counting on it. Little serves Hamas’ interests more than pictures of dead Palestinians. But those same civilians were killed by Hamas’ practice of putting thier weapons stores and launch sites in civilian neighborhoods, schools, and hospitals.
Israel has not been very bright in dealing with Gaza, and much of US policy has not been helpful either. But fault for this war, and the death of the civilians, is directly at the feet of Hamas. And that’s exactly what they wanted.
“Israel must survive”
I’ll second Monkeyhawk who beat me to it.
Why?
I am all for the survival of the Jewish people. I don’t even have a problem with them having a nation dedicated to their creed, though they are pretty singular in that.
But “Israel must survive” as it stands now?
Show your work.
As one recent commentator put it (I don’t remember who), this conflict will end when Hamas decides it loves its children more than it hates Israel.
“The British thought George Washington was fighting an immoral war because his soldiers hid behind trees.—Monkey
And trees are not women and children, hospitals and schools, nitwit.
Hamas is using their own people as war expendables, using them to stop bullets instead of hitting them, and trying to sway the weak minded, such as yourself, that their aggressors are the evil ones.
Hama is certainly smarter than you Monkey.
Remember when it was the PLO that we wanted to be wiped out?? Now, it’s Hamas… I’m sure glad we use elections for transitions of power, instead of armed revolutions… Much less bloodshed….
I think it might do us all good to remember that the PLO and Hamas are Palestinian political parties…
GMC70, that was me, quoting Golda Meir.
Now that was quite a woman!
Apparently, this conflict will end when the Palestinian people decide that it is ok to be treated with tyranny and oppression.
I deplore the violence and death. But I hope to never see a people satisfied only to survive under the most marginal of conditions.
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Mary_Caruso
Posted January 13, 2009 at 8:47 am | Permalink
I think a new version of the UN should be formed among the countries that practice true Democracy. It could dangle a lot of carrots that would make it desirable to join. We need to find a way to disempower tyrannical and oppressive governments, like North Korea, China, etc.
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I believe they call it NATO, mary.
“But I hope to never see a people satisfied only to survive under the most marginal of conditions.”
That would be you, blowjay.
I just can’t believe it! There has now been two … TWO … not ‘uno’ but ‘dos’ … WE Blog topics in a row that weren’t entirely dedicated to the character assassination of President Bush. I couldn’t have imagined that the WE editorial staff had the capacity to manage that. (Quick! Let’s get over to their offices! Some Israeli or Palestinian or somebody must be holding them all hostage!)
Regular
Posted January 13, 2009 at 9:25 am
Very very excellent post Regular. Excellent!
“I think it might do us all good to remember that the PLO and Hamas are Palestinian political parties…”
When political parties use civilians as shields they turn into terrorists.
this conflict will end when Hamas decides it loves (values the lives) its children more than it hates Israel, or wants its land back!
“Regular” struts –
“We Israelis are coming Hamas, we are here and we will stay until you can no long find your mother’s comfort. You will depart this world with no hope and no dreams. You will die empty Hamas”
Okay, that’s weird. Even for you, “Regular.”
“We” Israelis?
Is Regular a Zionist pr spokesperson?
“It’s time for the United Nations to shed its impotency”
It’s time for the impotent United Nations to shed itself.
If the United Nations had enforced earlier agreements, maybe THEN there would be peace now.
But there isn’t. Why? The UN that’s why.
If we cannot get rid of the UN (they are one of our largest sources of outside dollars because America no longer produces exports), then they should reply to Hamas:
You started it with your missles,
you finish it.
End of discussion, and probably end of the issue. The entire purpose of Hamas is to garner world opinion for political purposes – with their shooting missles at Israel.
If the UN refused to provide that moral support, and the world it represents – then Hamas would be done.
Oh sure, they would and will continue to kill jews, but they wouldn’t be parading on the world court – trying to get a political solution.
And Israel is no saint. Perhaps had they recognized HAMAS (which was/is sworn to kill them), and not enacted embargos, then there would be no excuse for the missles.
I wonder about our right wing posters.
And the cause of blindly allowing Israel to do whatever it likes IS an almost exclusively right wing crusade.
I wonder if any of those folks knows just what it is the Palestinians would have to endure for the sake of “peace”. Have they ever looked into it?
Would they be willing to live under the same conditions for the sake of “peace”?
They should write a strongly worded letter.
Sure, let the U.N. add another sanction to the 100+ that are already being ignored. That oughta show ‘em!
Everyone is focused on Israel and Gaza.
Yet the UN estimates between 400,000 and 450,000 africans have been slaughtered in Darfur. An estimated 1 million are living in squalor in refugee camps.
The Useless Nations wasn’t too effective there either.
http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?id=4442
Perhaps the debate and examination should be on the “impotent” UN, not the current tiny little war?
Let’s see
900 dead in Gaza
half a million dead in darfur
900 dead in Gaza
half a million dead in darfur
Darfur began in 2003
Garza current crisis began in 2008
Hmmmmmmmmmmm, which is truly news worthy?
Which is capturing the hearts of Christian Americans on the nightly news?
Wait a minute!
Jesus came from Israel – we GOTTA support Israel!!!
Nobody came from Darfur – just africans!!!!
Israel deserves to live in peace .. HAMAS’ only reason for existance is to eliminate the Jews in Israel .. I say: send HAMAS back to the stone-age where they belong .. but all of this reeling and hand wringing is no surprise to me .. I expect it .. the train will be on time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i08L09V0_sg
HAMAS in their own words . . . . enjoy
“Garza current crisis began in 2008″ ?????
AW .. You really should find some better news sources
Background: Gaza and Cast Lead 6 Jan. 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j61ktUeDDuo
What is this hangup on Christian Americans? Hamas very stupidly picked on someone with bigger sticks and they are getting their butts kicked,
Egypt has refused to allow them to cross their border as has Israel because – surprise, surprise – they sneak in terrorists that then blow up their resorts and hotels. Hamas is a terrorist organization. They have one goal to wipe out infidels and Jews. Right now they have put their own population in a great deal of danger.
And Blowj and Amway think we should blame the Jews. Do you have mush for brains. Just substitute any other names for Jews, like American liberals, and look at the same facts and what would you do.
Your hate has made you fools.
Which is capturing the hearts of Christian Americans on the nightly news?
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Well, American Way, that is pretty easy. Which conflict is being covered by the media?
On that day .. when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her [ Israel ] .. I [God] will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations .. All who try to move it will injure themselves ….. Zac 12
yall have a goodn . . . .
http://www.nwrnetwork.com/radiostations/RealAnswersRadio/player/embedded_player.php?bw=high
Jerusalem — a Holy City for Christians, Moslems, and Jews… Not really surprising how many are trying to save it for themselves….
“GMC70″ hauls out the old Zionist trope –
“If the Palestinians and their supplier states disarmed tomorrow, there would be peace.
If Israel disarmed tomorrow, it would cease to exist. “
And if Rosa Parks had simply moved to the back of the bus you could still get good household help for three dollars a day.
MH you and Cosmos must read the same books. When you can’t win an argument – change the subject. Totally irrelevant as usual.
The cause for the current fighting – and its morality – is exceedingly clear. Since its bloody ouster of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah party from the Gaza Strip 18 months ago, Hamas has established a virtual terrorist enclave there. The radical Islamist movement has used its time not to govern but to build up a formidable arsenal of weapons – arms it has used to wage a systematic campaign of asymmetric terror against Israel. For years, the Israeli government did little in response to Hamas’ provocations, hoping it could hammer out some sort of “cold peace” with the militants next door. All of that changed last month, when Hamas abrogated a six-month ceasefire with new rocket attacks against Israel. The U.S. should use its U.N. Security Council seat to ensure that Israel can fully attain its strategic objectives. – Ilan Berman, vice president for policy, American Foreign Policy Council . . . . . I agree
The angel of the LORD also said to her [ Hagar ] “You are now with child and you will have a son .. You shall name him Ishmael [ father of the Arabs ] for the LORD has heard of your misery . . . He will be a wild donkey of a man .. his hand will be against everyone .. and everyone’s hand against him .. and he will live in hostility .. toward all his brothers” . . . . Genesis 16
And Blowj and Amway think we should blame the Jews.
I didn’t say blame the jews – I said they are not innocent either.
I was trying to put the 900 dead in Gaza in perspective with world events: the half million dead in another country.
I can only conclude we blindly support Israel because that is where Jesus walked and talked. We ignore africa because it is black.
Neither is of any strategic value to us.
Israel has no oil.
But no one cares for the millions STILL suffering in Darfur.
Did I post that I blamed the jews somewhere?
“The U.S. should use its U.N. Security Council seat to ensure that Israel can fully attain its strategic objectives. – Ilan Berman, vice president for policy, American Foreign Policy Council . . . . . I agree” Dadman
Dadman: What are the “strategic objectives”?
Do you know what you are agreeing with?
And your book read religious observations have no bearing on the present crisis. I’d suggest you read Mad Magazine instead.
that’s what I get for attempting to discuss 3D w/ someone who can only do 2D . . . . sorry .. my bad ;)
Amway their is an interesting history of how the US has tried to help Darfur.
“The U.S. statement said, in part, that “three consecutive failures of member states of the United Nations to present a unified front against well-documented atrocities would represent nothing less than the complete breakdown of the U.N.’s deliberative bodies related to human rights. If these bodies cannot speak with one voice on an issue as clear as Darfur, what can they do?”
“Go back to doing other things, and those who truly value human rights will continue to work tirelessly to end the suffering in Darfur through other means,” the statement said.”
http://www.america.gov/st/washfile-english/2004/November/20041123183420atiayduj0.6177179.html
This was back in 2004 and the US and groups within the US have done many things to help. The UN has refused to take any action.
Who is the villan in this piece?
PS: Muslims killing non-muslims in Darfur . . . . now where have I heard this shade of color before .. hmmmm .. it must be that “religion-of-peace” again .. ya think ??
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Yep, it’s all about Sadan / Darfur and…
India and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and Nepal and the Maldives and Argentina and Angola and…
…and pretty much wherever Islam is taken seriously:
“O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who
are near to you, and let them find harshness in you,
and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty”
Qur’an, Sura 9:123
Mary_Caruso: There is a longing for some kind of association of true democracies in those places we refer to and are rightly called democracies. Further to my earler post, the Humans Rights Council currently is made up mostly of Arab and African States by reason of a rotating schedule for memebership and now chaired by Lybia(?!) France, the UK, Japan and South Korea abstained from voting and further reading of the voting outcome says that Canada is now going to be condemned for its’ racists’ attitudes to-wards her First Nations’ Peoples and with discrimination for the way it handles refugee claimaints. On that last point, I thought they were supposed to be too generous with pensions/welfare, free health etc., allowing all kinds of nutjobs and possible terrorists in undercover of lax immigration policies, which I think, I read something about a few years ago. My point is that too much useless agendae find footings in the UN, which ain’t what it was set up to do in first place.
The UN should be moved to Darfur .. who will agree with me ??
I can only conclude we blindly support Israel because that is where Jesus walked and talked. We ignore africa because it is black.
Indeed. But we’re in the thick of it, because much of the Middle East sees Israel, rightly or wrongly, as the U.S. puppy dog. We have to use not only our economic leverage; we need to be an active part of the peace process.
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Those who would lay all blame, past-present-future, on the Palestinians seem to be ignoring the humanitarian crisis caused by Israel prior to the cease-fire (which has not abated, contrary to the agreement), and the humanitarian crisis caused by this invasion. All of this is of course, only a small part of a never-ending cycle of misery in which Palestinians, thanks to historical circumstances, bear the brunt of it.
I don’t condone attacks on civilian populations, even if it’s in response to enforced starvation. However, this conflict has been characterized, numerous times, as “war,” and ugly things are routinely done in the name of winning wars. Sometimes we call them war crimes.
But I am also reminded that the single most deadly terrorist attack on a civilian population in history (in the name of war) was committed by the country in which I live. And followed by another one, three days later.
wild donkeys I tell ya .. wild donkeys of men
“But I am also reminded that the single most deadly terrorist attack on a civilian population in history (in the name of war) was committed by the country in which I live. And followed by another one, three days later.”
Libs: Too tired to get a job, never tired of hating America.
Rage you are one mixed up dude and really need to take a very comprehensive history class. You have distorted history to fit your political agenda.
okobserver I provided a link earlier to the Darfur and Un issue. You provide but further proof the Useless Nation is impotent and member states should be re-writing the UN Charter.
Won’t happen. It’s become the dancing platform for every two-bit terrorist group or small state to make a big commotion.
The US media says and said little on Darfur. Did we have constant info on CNN, FOX, news services? No camera shot in the corner of our screen? No constant update flowing across the bottom of the screen?
The US government, for President on down – didn’t care about Darfur. Oh maybe a few tough or compassionate words. But no action. Did Bush send in the troops to stop the genocide there?
Why is that? Why is Israel apparently so important, and the 900 dead in Gaza more important than the years of deaths in Darfur?
I don’t know about anyone else, but if my neighboring country was firing rockets at me, I’d stomp a mud puddle out of them. If they want Israel to stop stomping them, stop throwing rockets across the boarder, real simple! And we need to abolish the UN……….to much socialism in the world today!
“But I am also reminded that the single most deadly terrorist attack on a civilian population in history (in the name of war) was committed by the country in which I live. And followed by another one, three days later.”—Rage
And those acts saved thousands of American lives and the lives of their future generations and and saved the thousands of additional lives that would have been lost by a Allied invasion of mainland Japan.
What a maroon statement you made Rage, I am quite disappointed in your lack of historical knowledge.
Welcome Mike455, another intelligent voice on the blog.
as the U.S. puppy dog
Actually, we are the puppy. Israel does a great job of propoganda in the US.
We are hated for supporting Israel’s position. Not our own position.
We put ourselves into the middle of the middleeast crap – because every president feels he has to ENDORSE support for Israel during elections. (Not so much Canada or Darfur)
We are sometimes our own worst enemy.
Iran provides military support for Gaza (bad)
USA provides military support for Israel (good)
Depending upon ones point of view.
But there is no doubt US made weapons and Iranian made weapons are killing civilians.
AMway I share your concern for the people in Darfur. I think that as a nation we have sent much humanitarian aid. If you are against the war in Iraq how could you possibly want us to send men into Darfus. Who are we fighting. Another undefined enemy. No uniforms, no identifications. How do we tell the good guys from the bad guys. Just shoot everyone who is armed.
It is a much bigger problem than it seems on the surface. Maybe Obama will have a feel for how we can help to at least feed the starving there.
No simple anwers. Different than the Irsali/Palestine battles in that there are two definable sides.
“And those acts saved thousands of American lives and the lives of their future generations and and saved the thousands of additional lives that would have been lost by a Allied invasion of mainland Japan”
. . . . right-on brother .. right-on
Wow, got in too big a hurry to leave here. I posted:
“And those acts saved thousands of American lives and the lives of their future generations and and saved the thousands of additional lives that would have been lost by a Allied invasion of mainland Japan.”
Should read: “And those acts saved thousands of American lives, and the lives of their future generations, and saved thousands of the additional lives of the Japanese that would have been lost in an Allied invasion of mainland Japan.
gotta go .. no . really
http://www.nwrnetwork.com/radiostations/RealAnswersRadio/player/embedded_player.php?bw=high
Right on Mike455. Let Israel do the stomping. Leave the USA out of it. Not our battle.
The UN should stick to issuing out bags of rice and wheat and maybe aids drugs.
So Rage,
Are you sending your dollars to help support Hamas and the Palestinian people?
Putting your money where your mouth is?
It would probably be a lot easier to talk Israel into opening the crossings into Gaza if the Palistenians would limit themselves to shipping food and supplies and not weapons. That’s what got the border crossings closed in the first place.
As a show of solidarity with their Arab brothers, why don’t other Arab Nations let Palestinians emegrate to their countries?
Oh yeah, when you let Palestinians in, stuff starts getting blown up.
“If you are against the war in Iraq how could you possibly want us to send men into Darfus.”
OKobserver I did become against the war in Iraq. But my comparison was with Israel/Darfur.
We have a standing agreement to come to Israel’s aid if they are attacked. A commitment to provide military support (which would include our military).
I don’t want that agreement, and like JMWalker who reminded me about it says- write my congressman. I did.
“I think it might do us all good to remember that the PLO and Hamas are Palestinian political parties…”
The Viet Cong referred to itself as a political party as well. So did the Khamer Rouge. Pol Pot thought of himself as a statesman. I guess it just boils down to how you execute your political agenda (with emphasis on the word ‘execute’).
Quran (Sura=chapter) 5:33
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement . . . . . freakn donkeys
“I was ordered to fight all men until they say ‘There is no god but Allah.’” . . . Prophet Muhammed’s farewell address, March 632
“I shall cross this sea to their islands to pursue them until there remains no one on the face of the earth who does not acknowledge Allah.” . . . Saladin, January 1189
“We will export our revolution throughout the world . . . until the calls ‘there is no god but Allah and Muhammed is the messenger of Allah’ are echoed all over the world.” . . . Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, 1979
“I was ordered to fight the people until they say there is no god but Allah, and his prophet Muhammed.” . . . . Osama bin Laden, November 2001
“We don’t shy away from declaring that Islam is ready to rule the world.” . . . . Ahmadinejad: 2006
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and the beat goes on . . . . . .
http://www.memritv.org/content/en/all_clips.htm
ARAB HAMAS ARE TERRORISTS. Israel is our only friend in the middle east. Instead of sanctioning them, we should pay them for dealing with the arab, terrorist dogs. If we had done as Israel is doing, September 11th would not have happened. DEATH TO ARAB TERRORISTS.
Right-on MODERATE .. Right-on
Thanks, “MODERATE” –
All we normally hear around here is the extremists’ point-of-view.
I guess that means you’re okay with Iranian terrorists, right? Since they are not “Arabs.”
Or didn’t you know that?
Chairman of the Iranian Assembly of Experts and Expediency Council Hashemi Rafsanjani: People in Iran Are Ready to Wage Jihad against Israel
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/1976.htm?auth=9a0f6e61750b41682ae5fd5a0a759494
“dadman,” please –
Try to get a little bit of background on the whole Iran thing.
Yeah, the “Chairman of the Iranian Assembly of Experts and Expediency Council” says “People in Iran Are Ready to Wage Jihad.”
Problem is, the people of Iran don’t say that.
Think about it.
George WMD Bush said, for example, “The United States does not torture.”
In the words of Major T. J. “King” Kong:
“I’ve been to one world fair, a picnic, and a rodeo, and that’s the stupidest thing I ever heard.”
Do you suppose there’s a chance the Chairman of the Iranian Assembly of Experts and Expediency Council might have a political motive in his rhetoric?
“People in Iran Are Ready to Wage Jihad.”
That’s Farsi for “Bring it on.”
Whether Arab or Persian .. Islam is their common adgenda . . . . you know .. the “religion-of-peace”
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Liberals are simply their buttmonkey-useful-idiots
http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/
MH is certainly riding dull and listless horse of platitudes today isn’t he?
“dadman
Posted January 13, 2009 at 1:34 pm | Permalink
Whether Arab or Persian .. Islam is their common adgenda . . . . you know .. the “religion-of-peace””
We need to kick them all out of the US too, right dadman?
Make the the Christian country it should be, is that what you want?
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brian_nuevo
Posted January 13, 2009 at 1:37 pm | Permalink
“dadman
Posted January 13, 2009 at 1:34 pm | Permalink
Whether Arab or Persian .. Islam is their common adgenda . . . . you know .. the “religion-of-peace””
We need to kick them all out of the US too, right dadman?
Make the the Christian country it should be, is that what you want?
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Project much?
“Regular
Posted January 13, 2009 at 1:39 pm | Permalink
Project much?”
Just a couple questions to clarify “dadman’s” stance.
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brian_nuevo
Posted January 13, 2009 at 1:40 pm | Permalink
“Regular
Posted January 13, 2009 at 1:39 pm | Permalink
Project much?”
Just a couple questions to clarify “dadman’s” stance.
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Clarity is not achieved by muddying the waters of discussion.
Like I said: “useful-idiots”
Then I hope “dadman’s” response is real clear.
He(?) has posted so much to muddy the issue some clarification would be good.
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brian_nuevo
Posted January 13, 2009 at 1:44 pm | Permalink
Then I hope “dadman’s” response is real clear.
He(?) has posted so much to muddy the issue some clarification would be good.
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By asking tainted, loaded questions that assume expectations of a position?
I don’t think so. You were baiting, admit it.
Try a little education MonkeyHawk / Brian
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-871902797772997781
I didn’t think “dadman” would have enough balls to directly answer my questions.
Briefly checking back. About what I expected.
Let’s note for a moment that I offered no opinion about whether dropping the Bomb on Japan was justified. Obviously, that wasn’t the point, and I was glad to see several persons make my point for me, as I had hoped.
Anyone want to guess why the numerous Palestinians living in the United States haven’t been blowing things up?
Rage over and out. . .
“But I am also reminded that the single most deadly terrorist attack on a civilian population in history (in the name of war) was committed by the country in which I live. And followed by another one, three days later.”
Calling it a “terrorist attack” sounds like an opinion to me. Man up. Don’t be a weasel.
I do believe that Arabs/Muslims are blinded and bound by their seething hatred for Jews .. just as Brian/Rage is blinded and bound by his seething hatred for God and Christians .. it’s a spiritual thing – 3D
Calling it a “terrorist attack” sounds like an opinion to me. Man up. Don’t be a weasel.
It was a terrorist attack. The cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not military targets. Truman made clear that his purpose was to create terror–to scare the Japanese into surrender.
The point you’re arguing, unconciously, is that a deliberate attack on civilians to create fear is not terrorism, so long as it’s justified.
That is, exactly, Hamas’s argument. Even if you dispute the reasoning in this singular case, you’re endorsing the principle.
Was it justified in 1945? I’m not sure–the bar should be pretty damn high for such mass violence. When you weigh monstrous hypotheticals, it gets messy.
But I dislike on principle any argument that says terrorism is ever justified.
Rage
Posted January 13, 2009 at 2:27 pm | Permalink
Anyone want to guess why the numerous Palestinians living in the United States haven’t been blowing things up?
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Sure.
They’ll have the FBI breathing down their neck and they don’t have extremist groups that practice terrorism like Hamas breathing down their neck intimidating into acts they really don’t want to commit.
“Rage
Posted January 13, 2009 at 2:27 pm | Permalink
Anyone want to guess why the numerous Palestinians living in the United States haven’t been blowing things up?”
perhaps because overall they are not as evil and American-hating as the ignorati would have you believe…
“dadman
Posted January 13, 2009 at 2:39 pm | Permalink
I do believe that Arabs/Muslims are blinded and bound by their seething hatred for Jews .. just as Brian/Rage is blinded and bound by his seething hatred for God and Christians .. it’s a spiritual thing – 3D”
May God have mercy on your ignorant soul
Rage the US didn’t start the war. We didn’t attack Japan first. We lost thousands of husbands, fathers and sons to this war. Well Truman put an end to it. They struck first and we struck last. Not until they had been warned many times.
War is ugly and it isn’t a game. While it would be great to have no casualties sometimes that just doesn’t happen. Pearl Harbor stayed in most peoples minds.
Your revisionist history has no place in a real debate.
“May God have mercy on your ignorant soul”
Sez the Proud Black Man
They’ll have the FBI breathing down their neck and they don’t have extremist groups that practice terrorism like Hamas breathing down their neck intimidating into acts they really don’t want to commit.
I can accept that. It also suggests some saner possibilities, don’t ya think?
educate Brian .. educate
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-871902797772997781
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Rage
Posted January 13, 2009 at 2:59 pm | Permalink
They’ll have the FBI breathing down their neck and they don’t have extremist groups that practice terrorism like Hamas breathing down their neck intimidating into acts they really don’t want to commit.
I can accept that. It also suggests some saner possibilities, don’t ya think?
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Yeah, the Palestinians need to kick Hamas out their country.
Only until the Palestinians recognize the existance of their neighbor will they ever deserve a state of their own . . . Israel gave them that chance in 2005 when they completely surrendered Gaza .. they blew it
Hmmm nobody answered.
About which of you cons would lay down your arms and submit to oppression and tyranny for “peace” as you want the Palestinians to do?
That’s about what I thought.
XXX posts; “As a show of solidarity with their Arab brothers, why don’t other Arab Nations let Palestinians emegrate to their countries?
Genesis 16: 12, is why; “He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.”
XXX, like you so correctly pointed out later in your post;
“Oh yeah, when you let Palestinians in, stuff starts getting blown up.”
Awesome link .. Gaza Sky-line .. audio / video 24/7
http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live_asx.html?stream=stream1
got ammo ??
Opinions might be different if you were on the other side.
How would most Americans respond to the same oppression Israel heaps on Palestine?
Yes, they are fond of saying that Palestinians need to care more about their children…but yet Israelis routinely use Palestinian children for target practice, and have blown off the heads of old ladies just for the fun of it. I wonder how the cons would react if they or their families were treated the same way? The whole situation reminds me of the Nazis’ ghettoization and starvation of the Jews. I don’t see much difference. As long as Israel controls the Palestinian borders and controls everything from their access to medical care to their utilities, nothing will change.
How many Americans would put up with the same treatment? Being labeled terrorist or a freedom fighter depends on which side of the fence you’re on.
“Genesis 16: 12, is why; “He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.”
Sounds like your typical conservative fundamentalist to me! LOL!
“About which of you cons would lay down your arms and submit to oppression and tyranny for “peace” as you want the Palestinians to do?”
You won’t get a straight answer on that one, BJ!
“Being labeled terrorist or a freedom fighter depends on which side of the fence you’re on.”
WELL said!
So far, I haven’t got any answer for it Mary.
I want to see them gymnastic their way outta that one.
At least “dadman” is honest. He’s for genocide.
I wonder how many more are but are afraid to say it?
Well .. we can see who is in love with HAMAS .. the brave martyrs that they are .. should be enough “virgins” to go around
How would most Americans respond to the same oppression Israel heaps on Palestine?
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Mary how would Americans respond if Canada kept lobing bombs into the northern part of our country?
Why do the libs just totally ignore the actual acts here? Why do you act as if Israel is treating them any differently than their Arab brothers. Egytp won’t let them have a free run at their border either. Look it up. Ask yourself why this is.
I’m not in love with HAMMAS or the Israelis….but I can see how the oppression has fanned the fire for the Palestinian’s hatred of the Israelis.
I think you’d hate them too Dadman, if you were living in Gaza. How would you handle it if your enitre house was mowed down because the neighborhood boys threw rocks at the Israeli tanks? Be honest…and I’ll be shocked if you even attempt to answer my question.
“okobserver
Posted January 13, 2009 at 4:21 pm | Permalink
How would most Americans respond to the same oppression Israel heaps on Palestine?
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Mary how would Americans respond if Canada kept lobing bombs into the northern part of our country?”
There are many levels of causality.
The easiest level of why does Isreal attack Palestine is because Hamas launched rockets into Isreal.
To be intellectually honest, one must next ask why Hamas is firing rockets into Isreal.
“dadman
Posted January 13, 2009 at 4:19 pm | Permalink
Well .. we can see who is in love with HAMAS .. the brave martyrs that they are .. should be enough “virgins” to go around”
As we can see those posters whose response is to attack other posters rather than address the substance of what they write.
“Mary how would Americans respond if Canada kept lobing bombs into the northern part of our country?”
If we were mowing down their houses, holding them at the border when they needed medical care, shutting off their utilities at whim, using Canadian children for military target practice…I can see why they’d be lobbing a few bombs our way.
What is it about you that you don’t understand what oppression is? You obviously have no compassion.
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brian_nuevo
Posted January 13, 2009 at 4:26 pm | Permalink
To be intellectually honest, one must next ask why Hamas is firing rockets into Isreal.
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Hamas doesn’t deny it, why should you?
Brian and Mary in Israels place what would you do when the bombs started falling? How long would you wait to fight back? Would you pull out your rocket launchers and fight back with those or would you pull out the big artillary and hit them with those?
So much second guessing – come up with a plan then.
“As we can see those posters whose response is to attack other posters rather than address the substance of what they write.”
AMEN!!!
oh no . . . Brian is headed for his fetal position again
brian_nuevo
Posted January 13, 2009 at 4:26 pm | Permalink
To be intellectually honest, one must next ask why Hamas is firing rockets into Isreal.
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Because they can and the bleeding hearts will say ‘poor hamas’ so maligned.
“Regular
Posted January 13, 2009 at 4:28 pm | Permalink
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brian_nuevo
Posted January 13, 2009 at 4:26 pm | Permalink
To be intellectually honest, one must next ask why Hamas is firing rockets into Isreal.
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Hamas doesn’t deny it, why should you?”
I don’t deny it.
In fact, I wrote it quite clearly “why does Isreal attack Palestine is because Hamas launched rockets into Isreal.”
Now, why don’t you attempt to answer my question about why Hamas is firing rockets into Isreal.
Now, why don’t you attempt to answer my question about why Hamas is firing rockets into Isreal.
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Brian I’ll bite. Why are they doing it?
“okobserver
Posted January 13, 2009 at 4:32 pm | Permalink
Now, why don’t you attempt to answer my question about why Hamas is firing rockets into Isreal.
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Brian I’ll bite. Why are they doing it?”
is “why are they doing it?” an answer to my question?
“Because they can and the bleeding hearts will say ‘poor hamas’ so maligned.”
Just like I said. You have no compassion for the oppressed. It would be interesting to see how your opinion might change if you could live in Gaza for a month.
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brian_nuevo
Posted January 13, 2009 at 4:30 pm | Permalink
Now, why don’t you attempt to answer my question about why Hamas is firing rockets into Isreal.
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Jordan is an Arab state and Israel doesn’t attack them? Why?
Because Jordan doesn’t attack Israel.
It’s quite simple, really it is.
The last two attacks on Israel (Lebanon and Palestinian Hamas) have been foreign supplied weapons from from Iran to Hamas.
Let’s not try and give a known terrorist group credit where none is deserved.
That is, unless you think the U.S., Australia, Canada and the European Union are just wrong about declaring Hamas as a terrorist group.
Why don’t you donate your dollars to Hamas since you are such a staunch supporter of them?
Money talks B…..S…. walks.
“Brian I’ll bite. Why are they doing it?”
If you can’t answer Brian’s question…then what are you doing in this discussion? Go do your homework and then come back.
“Jordan is an Arab state and Israel doesn’t attack them? Why?
Because Jordan doesn’t attack Israel.”
Still doesn’t answer Brian’s question. Why does HAMMAS attack Israel?
And why can’t you cons ever answer anyone’s question? If you’re asked to back up your opinion..you resort to launching personal attacks.
“Regular
Posted January 13, 2009 at 4:35 pm | Permalink
…Why don’t you donate your dollars to Hamas since you are such a staunch supporter of them?”
1. I do not generally support anybody.
2. I do not donate money to support ’causes’
3. Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization by the United States. Contributions of money to them would be illegal.
Mary_Caruso
Posted January 13, 2009 at 4:35 pm | Permalink
“Because they can and the bleeding hearts will say ‘poor hamas’ so maligned.”
Just like I said. You have no compassion for the oppressed. It would be interesting to see how your opinion might change if you could live in Gaza for a month.
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Oh I see this is a loaded question. If you give the one that doesn’t match the liberal agenda you have to go do your homework. That hardly seems fair does it. Mary because you say someone is oppressed doesn’t make it so. It simply means that is your opinion.
Brian I have given you several answers obviously none were what you wanted. So I ask you again, why are they doing it?
I find the 5 Why Analysis to be a very useful tool in many life situations where I want to try to get to the true root cause of something.
http://www.isixsigma.com/library/content/c020610a.asp
Mary_Caruso
Posted January 13, 2009 at 4:39 pm | Permalink
“Jordan is an Arab state and Israel doesn’t attack them? Why?
Because Jordan doesn’t attack Israel.”
Still doesn’t answer Brian’s question. Why does HAMMAS attack Israel?
And why can’t you cons ever answer anyone’s question? If you’re asked to back up your opinion..you resort to launching personal attacks.
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Well obviously Mary you have the inside track here. Tell us. Why does Hamas attack Israel? I will pass your answer on to the world leaders that can’t seem to get a handle on this.
Brian those are five very useful arguments. Why don’t you list them out with the appropriate answers here so we can follow your thought processes.
“okobserver
Posted January 13, 2009 at 4:39 pm | Permalink
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Brian I have given you several answers obviously none were what you wanted. So I ask you again, why are they doing it?”
The only attempt at an answer you gave was “Because they can and the bleeding hearts will say ‘poor hamas’ so maligned.”
If you truly believe that the only reason Hamas was firing rockets into Isreal is “because they can” and because they would get sympathy, then there is nothing I can tell you that will make sense to you.
brian_nuevo
Posted January 13, 2009 at 4:42 pm | Permalink
I find the 5 Why Analysis to be a very useful tool in many life situations where I want to try to get to the true root cause of something.
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Too simplistic and child-like…
I call them weasel-words, especially when dealing with life and death.
Now explain to everyone why you put Hamas in a favorable light.
Are you smarter than most of the Western nations in the world that declare Hamas a terrorist organization?
Or do you simply don’t want to be recognized as a terrorist supporter that has no conviction (ballz) to admit to it?
“Mary because you say someone is oppressed doesn’t make it so. It simply means that is your opinion.”
No, it’s not an opinion..it’s a fact and I’ve listed several examples above that are documented.
So, do you agree with oppression and tyranny, OK? Is it OK that Israelis at times have used Palestinian children for target practice?
Is it Ok that Israeli tanks mow down Palestinian homes because Palestinian children throw rocks at them?
Is it OK that Israeli soldiers hold Palestinian women who are in labor at the border so they can’t give birth in a hospital and they often die as a result?
Is it Ok that Israelis shut off H2O and electricity to Gaza whenever they feel like it?
Tell, me OK…is that all OK in your eyes?
Everything I have just stated has been documented.
okobserver,
Brian Nuevo won’t give an answer.
He’s into game playing and not being intellectually honest. There is a distinct lack of integrity in his character when dealing with being straight forward.
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Mary_Caruso
Posted January 13, 2009 at 4:47 pm | Permalink
“Mary because you say someone is oppressed doesn’t make it so. It simply means that is your opinion.”
No, it’s not an opinion..it’s a fact and I’ve listed several examples above that are documented.
So, do you agree with oppression and tyranny, OK? Is it OK that Israelis at times have used Palestinian children for target practice?
Is it Ok that Israeli tanks mow down Palestinian homes because Palestinian children throw rocks at them?
Is it OK that Israeli soldiers hold Palestinian women who are in labor at the border so they can’t give birth in a hospital and they often die as a result?
Is it Ok that Israelis shut off H2O and electricity to Gaza whenever they feel like it?
Tell, me OK…is that all OK in your eyes?
Everything I have just stated has been documented.
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Mary, Palestine wouldn’t have these problems if Hamas was to pack up and leave.
It’s that simple, really it is.
“Regular
Posted January 13, 2009 at 4:46 pm | Permalink
brian_nuevo
Posted January 13, 2009 at 4:42 pm | Permalink
I find the 5 Why Analysis to be a very useful tool in many life situations where I want to try to get to the true root cause of something.
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Too simplistic and child-like…”
So one of the building blocks of the Toyota Production System, Six Sigma, and many other schools of management and process improvement is “Too simplistic and child-like” for Regular.
LMFAO!!!!
I think what is so pathetic is that those often wear their Christianity on their sleeve are heartless, ignorant, and incapable of compassion.
I agree Brian…there is nothing we can say that will make sense to people like them.
I won’t stick around for their personal attacks and sarcasim. I’ve got better things to do with my time.
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brian_nuevo
Posted January 13, 2009 at 4:52 pm | Permalink
“Regular
Posted January 13, 2009 at 4:46 pm | Permalink
brian_nuevo
Posted January 13, 2009 at 4:42 pm | Permalink
I find the 5 Why Analysis to be a very useful tool in many life situations where I want to try to get to the true root cause of something.
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Too simplistic and child-like…”
So one of the building blocks of the Toyota Production System, Six Sigma, and many other schools of management and process improvement is “Too simplistic and child-like” for Regular.
LMFAO!!!!
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Yeah, building cars is analogous to the Israeli/Hamas situation.
Exactly what planet do you live on?
So, one more time Nuevo…
Why do you put Hamas, a terrorist organization into favorable light?
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Mary_Caruso
Posted January 13, 2009 at 4:52 pm | Permalink
I think what is so pathetic is that those often wear their Christianity on their sleeve are heartless, ignorant, and incapable of compassion.
I agree Brian…there is nothing we can say that will make sense to people like them.
I won’t stick around for their personal attacks and sarcasim. I’ve got better things to do with my time.
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Another attack on Christians, Mary?
Since you’re the one that brought it up. Show me where I introduced “Christian values” into the discussion.
I’ll wait.
All that is necessary for the war to stop and the threat to Palestinian civilians to end completely is for the Hamas leaders and fighters to put down their weapons and come out, or even go home. They have no chance of winning anything against Israel, so to continue in their resistance is simply a senseless exercise of their own egos, at the self chosen terrible expense of the lives of their children, and civilian men and women, as in any war.
Why is Hamas banned by every democratic country on this planet? Could it be its sole purpose is the elimination of Israel? Could it be it is nothing more than a terrorist organization? Regs right on that regard: get rid of Hamas, and maybe a deal can be struck with Palestine.
If your neighbor launches 8000 rockets in your back yard, you’re going to turn the other cheek? That’s basically what Israel did for a year.
You talk about the Israelis mowing down houses because kids threw rocks at soldiers. You talk about Israeli soldiers using Palestinian children for target practice. I put those examples in the same category as aliens abductions. Truth is the first casualty of war; it’s plain that’s the case here.
What Hamas does is use civilians as human shields. No self respecting organization does that, only terrorist ones.
Careful JMWalker, Mary will accuse you of being an heartless, ignorant, and incapable of compassion Christian.
“Genesis 16: 12, is why; “He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.”
Sounds like your typical conservative fundamentalist to me! LOL!–Mary_Caruso
Got it wrong again Mary, did you look it up?
That is what was said of Ishmael, father of the Arab tribes, and present day Palestinians, Arabs, Persian, primarily Muslims.
Boxlicker, I take it you approved of the bombing of Dresden and the WTC attack as well.
One more comment…I would think as a Christian you’d have some capability for compassion. I was a Christian growing up, and it was a lifestyle..not something to be pulled out of your pocket only when it’s convenient or you want to make a point.
You and OK’s total lack of empathy to what the Palestinians have suffered for decades illustrate that neither of you have any compassion for the suffering of other humans that are of little use to you.
I’m not “attacking” Christianity or Christians…just pointing out your lack of regard for what Jesus taught. If you say you are a Christian..then you should emulate those values.
You haven’t answered any questions or really made an attempt to discuss the issue…only sarcasim and put downs. I’m not validating that, I’ve got better things to do. Sorry.
Regular
Posted January 13, 2009 at 4:55 pm | Permalink
…Yeah, building cars is analogous to the Israeli/Hamas situation.
Exactly what planet do you live on?
So, one more time Nuevo…
Why do you put Hamas, a terrorist organization into favorable light?”
Cars and Isreal may not be analogous, but looking for the causes of disparate situations begins the same way – by asking questions.
Since when is it painting anyone in a favorable light to ask questions?
Mary_Caruso
Posted January 13, 2009 at 8:58 am | Permalink
Because Israel has persecuted the Palestinians for decades now. The atrocities are rampant on BOTH sides.
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Anyone, Why did Israel has persecute the Palestinians for decades?
Mary_Caruso
Posted January 13, 2009 at 5:14 pm | Permalink
One more comment…I would think as a Christian you’d have some capability for compassion. I was a Christian growing up, and it was a lifestyle..not something to be pulled out of your pocket only when it’s convenient or you want to make a point.
You and OK’s total lack of empathy to what the Palestinians have suffered for decades illustrate that neither of you have any compassion for the suffering of other humans that are of little use to you.
I’m not “attacking” Christianity or Christians…just pointing out your lack of regard for what Jesus taught. If you say you are a Christian..then you should emulate those values.
You haven’t answered any questions or really made an attempt to discuss the issue…only sarcasim and put downs. I’m not validating that, I’ve got better things to do. Sorry
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What makes you think I’m not compassionate about children being hurt or women being scared to death of events they cannot control?
You assume way too much Mary.
Hamas is evil and they are bringing grief to the people of Palestine. Why can’t you see this?
Human shields ring a bell? This is exactly what Hamas is doing.
“RightAngle
Posted January 13, 2009 at 5:18 pm | Permalink
…Anyone, Why did Israel has persecute the Palestinians for decades?”
This person has got it… onto the third why!
If Hamas is evil for using humans shields (because Palestinians dare live in apartment buildings and go to schools) does that make Israel evil for using human shields? Or is it okay because their human sandbags are also Palestinians?
excerpt:
by Richard Baehr
The left in this country includes large numbers of academics, journalists, human rights activists, environmental and animal rights activists, entertainers, and some church groups, women’s groups, racial advocacy groups and unions. There are also liberals who are members of these same groups. I distinguish between leftists and liberals by one key test: how they feel about the country in which they live. If you tend to regard America as a primarily flawed, evil, unjust, racist country (or at least when Republicans are running it), and most importantly, believe that the US is the primary threat to world peace internationally, then you are a leftist, and not a liberal.
WHY DOES THE LEFT HATE ISRAEL?
I believe there are several reasons:
1. It is an easy way to express one’s hatred for America.
2. Israel is viewed as an outpost of colonialism , and an active practitioner of it.
3. Israel is a western nation, and hence can be judged by the left. Israel is not protected by cultural relativism, as the Arabs are.
4. Leftist Christian churches can escape any lingering guilt about the Holocaust, by turning Israel into a villain. Some leftist churches hate Israel because they think this will help protect their members in the holy land— in other words they feel threatened.
5. Ferocious Muslim hatred of Israel and the Jews reinforces the natural cowardice of many on the left who go along with the Muslims to stay out of their line of fire.
6. Jewish leftists are prominent in the anti—Israel movement. This opens the floodgates for everybody else.
7. Israel is attacked because the secular left is appalled by the influence of religious settlers and their biblical connections to the land of Israel, and by the support for Israel by evangelical Christians, and Christian Zionist
Hatred of Religion
Finally, there is the conflict between the religious beliefs the left associates with the state of Israel, and the secular humanistic values of the left. The anti—Zionists in Israel are foolish enough to believe that a secular democratic bi—national state of Palestine would afford them the same liberties they enjoy today. The leftists in Israel and abroad seek an end to nationality, and other antiquated creations, and the building of mankind. How exactly they would deal with jihadist Islam and aggressive Wahhabism, we don’t know. The left has its own religion— it just doesn’t require going to church. Reading the New York Times over coffee will do, except on high holy days, when you also must read the New York Review of Books, the Nation, and the collected works of Paul Krugman.
The left also despises Israel because it associates its policies in the territories with the behavior of religious Jews, the ‘right wing zealots,’ as they prefer to call them. Just as leftists hate the Republican Party in America, because they believe that it is controlled by corporations (bad) and Christian fundamentalists (very bad), the left believes that Israel’s behavior is bad, because it is controlled by people who are ‘irrational’ religious believers.
The evidence I believe is clear today that Israel faces far greater threats from the left than the right. The left is reflexively anti—Israel and has established important beachheads in significant American institutions— academia, the media, and the old line Protestant ‘high’ churches, as well as in the very seats of government power in many Western European countries, and their intelligentsia. It is not surprising that Israel seems unable to get a fair shake from college professors, the BBC, Reuters, NPR, or liberal churches. Being anti—Israel has become part of their religion.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2004/01/why_does_the_left_hate_israel.html
Regular, most of the Jews in Israel are secular.
http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3514242,00.html
So much for that uninformed rant.
leftists seem like bad people. Good thing I am not one of them (shudders)
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Maggotpunk
Posted January 13, 2009 at 5:33 pm | Permalink
Regular, most of the Jews in Israel are secular.
http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3514242,00.html
So much for that uninformed rant.
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That’s true of most nations and religions.
There are very few faithful.
So why, in your rant, did you suggest that the majority of the populace of a nation hates it’s own nation? That makes no sense.
“Maggotpunk
Posted January 13, 2009 at 5:33 pm | Permalink
Regular, most of the Jews in Israel are secular.
http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3514242,00.html
So much for that uninformed rant.”
That must be from a Jew-hating leftist paper ;)
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Maggotpunk
Posted January 13, 2009 at 5:36 pm | Permalink
So why, in your rant, did you suggest that the majority of the populace of a nation hates it’s own nation? That makes no sense.
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It’s quite obvious Maggot, that you did not notice that the article pasted was not written by me.
Perhaps the three minutes that passed in which you read the entire article and posted yours (cough) was insufficient in formulating a cogent response.
Regular, do you make it a habit of posting things that don’t make sense and things you don’t agree with?
There is a reason why Hamas was elected.
They help bring food and aid to the people.
Ya know? Like a government is SUPPOSED to do?
Hamas leaving would doom the Palestinian people to suffering in tyranny long enough for another group to rise out of the oppression and do the same thing after a space of years.
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Maggotpunk
Posted January 13, 2009 at 5:45 pm | Permalink
Regular, do you make it a habit of posting things that don’t make sense and things you don’t agree with?
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I posted it as it was a very good observation by the writer. Doesn’t mean I agree with it 100 percent.
If it doesn’t make sense to you, the you should outline your reasons why it doesn’t make sense, instead of whining about it to me.
I didn’t believe in the Iraq war, but I’m not going to be a gutless wonder like some on this blog are and not support the troops by making disparaging remarks that don’t really help anyone and injure us as a nation.
Regular, how is it a good observation by denouncing 51% of the Israeli Jewish population with an overgeneralizing sweep that they all hate their country? Apart from simply making absurd claims can you actually support your statements for a change?
There was a more than fair Peace Agreement for the Palestinians brokered by Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton wanted more than anything to be the President that brought peace to the Middle East. When the Palestinians (Yaser Arafat) turned that Peace Agreement, I gave up all hope. If Bill Clinton could not get a Peace accord, then no one could and I think that President Bush may have felt the same way. Why beat your head against the wall if the only thing that the Palestinians will settle for is the complete destruction of Israel. If the Palestinians would not accept that one, they will not accept any and will only settle for the complete destruction of Israel. While I feel very sad for the Palestinians and my heart goes out for the citizens, they have only their leaders and themselves to blame for electing them. Sad, but what can we do if the complete destruction of Israel is the only agreement they will accept?
“Regular
Posted January 13, 2009 at 5:48 pm | Permalink
…but I’m not going to …not support the troops by making disparaging remarks that don’t really help anyone and injure us as a nation.”
So questioning things or making disparaging remarks injures us as a nation?
Since Maggot and Brian cannot answer my questions, but give yet more questions, then they are not worthy of a response from me.
Typical delaying and avoidance tactics.
Sad
“RightAngle
Posted January 13, 2009 at 5:54 pm | Permalink
…Sad, but what can we do if the complete destruction of Israel is the only agreement they will accept?”
In short, we can do nothing. We cannot fix it; we cannot force peace on them. Neither side wants the other their, and both will do and have done what they think they can get away with to drive the other out.
We cannot stop it. The United States should just stay out of the conflict and let them work it out.
Rightangle, the Fatah party lost the last election with their candidate Mahmoud Abbas. Hamas is the democratically elected party. The election was held at the request of the Bush regime. Ever since the election Israel and America have worked to topple the democratically elected government in order to spread democracy. Fatah recognizes Israel’s right to exist, but the current conflict simply strengthens Hamas’ position, as well as militants in Turkey, Egypt and other nations.
“Regular
Posted January 13, 2009 at 5:59 pm | Permalink
Since Maggot and Brian cannot answer my questions, but give yet more questions, then they are not worthy of a response from me.
Typical delaying and avoidance tactics.”
Wait a minute.
Wasn’t that same thing said about you and your cohort earlier?
Regular, since when did you have a question? I’m still pondering your justification for the claim that the majority of Israeli Jews hate their country.
Here you go Brian and Maggot, I posted this earlier and it has yet to be answered.
Why do you put Hamas, a terrorist organization into favorable light?
“Regular
Posted January 13, 2009 at 6:10 pm | Permalink
Here you go Brian and Maggot, I posted this earlier and it has yet to be answered.
Why do you put Hamas, a terrorist organization into favorable light?”
Although your question is like asking someone if they have stopped beating their spouse I will attempt an answer…
I don’t put Hamas in a favorable light.
dinner time now… all you can eat ribs at rib crib
Okay Brian, then you are just being an antagonist; ie. the Devil’s advocate; a fence straddling fool that fails to commit to anything that might pin him down to an ideology.
Nice commitment to ideas there Brian.
Must be sad to go around as a limp rag.
Regular claims,
“Why do you put Hamas, a terrorist organization into favorable light?”
Who said that I did? Perhaps you ought not to waste your time with a strawman argument.
Hey Regular?
Your time on this blog has been rough.
I offer you peace!
Yup, it’s true. I’ll use whatever limited influence I have with my friends and fellow posters and I’ll get you some peace.
Oh there’s just one thing. I’ve a number of conditions. There’s no point in listing them as I plan to change them often and with little or no notice.
The base rule is, you do everything that I tell you to do or the peace is immediately off .
How about it? Want some peace?
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Maggotpunk
Posted January 13, 2009 at 6:17 pm | Permalink
Regular claims,
“Why do you put Hamas, a terrorist organization into favorable light?”
Who said that I did? Perhaps you ought not to waste your time with a strawman argument.
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That’s not an answer, that’s avoidance just like Brian. Another limp rag…
brian_nuevo
Posted January 13, 2009 at 6:03 pm | Permalink
We cannot stop it. The United States should just stay out of the conflict and let them work it out.
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I AGREE! But you will have people like John B. Quigley, Ohio State University law professor, who think they know it all that will blame the US for not being a leader. The only thing I think the US should do is to help Israel from being destroyed.
The Palestinians send in rockets that kill civilians.
Where was the outrage then?
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BlueJay
Posted January 13, 2009 at 6:17 pm | Permalink
Hey Regular?
Your time on this blog has been rough.
I offer you peace!
Yup, it’s true. I’ll use whatever limited influence I have with my friends and fellow posters and I’ll get you some peace.
Oh there’s just one thing. I’ve a number of conditions. There’s no point in listing them as I plan to change them often and with little or no notice.
The base rule is, you do everything that I tell you to do or the peace is immediately off .
How about it? Want some peace?
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Junior, you are so obvious it’s painfully embarrassing to those who see right though you.
regular: The American Thinker is a right wing conservative daily website dedcated to the preservation of Israel…the website offers lessons in Hebrew! Just another exaple of the right citing less than credible sources to buttress a weak position. I recall long ago Mike Douglas doing a story on the people of Gaza and his findings of how life is for those people caused the Zionist hype machine to crank up and amongst other things denegrated Mr. Wallace as a self loathing Jew. Nice…..
Regular, how long have you enjoyed raping little boys? Now claiming you haven’t done so or don’t enjoy it isn’t an answer.
Logic isn’t your strong point is it?
I guess Regular doesn’t want the same kind of peace he asks the Palestinians to accept.
Going twice?
sursum
Posted January 13, 2009 at 6:22 pm | Permalink
regular: The American Thinker is a right wing conservative daily website dedcated to the preservation of Israel…the website offers lessons in Hebrew! Just another exaple of the right citing less than credible sources to buttress a weak position. I recall long ago Mike Douglas doing a story on the people of Gaza and his findings of how life is for those people caused the Zionist hype machine to crank up and amongst other things denegrated Mr. Wallace as a self loathing Jew. Nice…
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If you don’t think the article is credible then state your reasons why it isn’t credible.
To make a weasel statement, it isn’t credible just because it comes from a certain Website is circumventing logical discussion.
You chose the weasel way out. Sorry, no cigar for you.
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Maggotpunk
Posted January 13, 2009 at 6:22 pm | Permalink
Regular, how long have you enjoyed raping little boys? Now claiming you haven’t done so or don’t enjoy it isn’t an answer.
Logic isn’t your strong point is it?
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Only a pedophile like yourself Maggot could come up with such a question like that.
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BlueJay
Posted January 13, 2009 at 6:24 pm | Permalink
I guess Regular doesn’t want the same kind of peace he asks the Palestinians to accept.
Going twice?
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Your analogies suck Junior, they really, really do.
Go back to playing with your ’smurf dolls’ now.
Regular, does that make you a terrorist for the question you came up with?
Egypt continued on Tuesday to urge Hamas to accept its cease-fire proposal for the Gaza Strip. Egyptian intelligence chief Omar Suleiman told Hamas representatives to the talks in Cairo that the organization would have to commit to a one-year cease-fire. Hamas officials told the Egyptians that it would be willing to accept the proposal if the changes demanded by the organization are made.
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YES, YES THAT WILL GIVE THEM TIME TO RE-!!ARM
No peace then.
It was a generous offer.
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RightAngle
Posted January 13, 2009 at 6:32 pm | Permalink
Egypt continued on Tuesday to urge Hamas to accept its cease-fire proposal for the Gaza Strip. Egyptian intelligence chief Omar Suleiman told Hamas representatives to the talks in Cairo that the organization would have to commit to a one-year cease-fire. Hamas officials told the Egyptians that it would be willing to accept the proposal if the changes demanded by the organization are made.
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YES, YES THAT WILL GIVE THEM TIME TO RE-!!ARM
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I suppose the Egyptians think the Israelis are really naive.
Tunnels leading to Egyptian controlled territories is exactly how Hamas brings its arms in or should I say smuggle.
Spot on RightAngle.
BlueJay
Posted January 13, 2009 at 6:33 pm | Permalink
No peace then.
It was a generous offer.
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Peace for a year while Hamas bring in bigger and better rockets? Just how is that a “generous offer”?
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Maggotpunk
Posted January 13, 2009 at 6:32 pm | Permalink
Regular, does that make you a terrorist for the question you came up with?
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Try using the part of your brain that isn’t diseased by your drug induced orgies.
Caruso says: “I think what is so pathetic is that those often wear their Christianity on their sleeve are heartless, ignorant, and incapable of compassion”
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It’s funny how these people “pick-n-choose” who they’ll feel “compassion” for .. not a peep out of em while Saddam placed 300 to 400,000 of his own people in mass graves .. not a peep
http://www.9neesan.com/massgraves
Regular, does that mean your brain is diseased because you thought of the comparison first?
See ya later Maggot,
It’s obvious you can’t hold your own in a discussion, so you resort to nonsense.
I agree Regular, your reasoning is nonsense.
“Is it OK that Israelis at times have used Palestinian children for target practice?”
I call that horse pucky. Somebody needs to show me where Israelis have used children for target practice.
The Israelis have tried peacful solutions. It just doesn’t work. The issue between Palestinians and Israelis, Arabs and Israelis has been going on since, well, forever. Neither we nor the rest of the world is going to solve this. There’s just nothing left but to let them fight it out and see who’s left standing.
Hamas’s stated goal is to wipe Israel off the face of the planet. That’s not a position you can bargain with. That being the case, Israel is perfectly justified to exterminate the Palestinians since the Palestinians seem to be hell-bent to bring about their own destruction.
Gaza is a rat’s nest. You don’t bargain with rats.
Can’t even come up with your own words Itner?
It’s good to see HAMAS getting their asses handed to em .. but I wish someone would put them freakn roosters to sleep .. GOSH !!!!
http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live_asx.html?stream=stream1
makin pop-corn .. yall enjoy the show
“Somebody needs to show me where Israelis have used children for target practice”
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Oh, they get that crap from Al-Jeezera and NPR . . . typical left wing liberal secular humanists / atheists 2Drs
From Joel Rosenberg
(Jerusalem, Israel) — Former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, in a 25 minute conference call today with conservative bloggers in which I had the opportunity to participate, made it clear that he sees Israel’s current war against Hamas in Gaza as a “just war,” as a proxy war with Radical Muslim leaders in Iran, and very possibly as a prelude to a future war to stop Radicals in Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, an event he described as a “nightmare scenario.”
Israel is pursuing a “just war,” Netanyahu said early in the discussion. He noted that “Hamas is pursuing an illegitimate goal to accomplish the annihilation of the Jewish State” and is using “illegitimate means,” including the “firing rockets on innocent civilians.”
“This is a classic case of justice pitted against injustice” and “against the forces of darkness,” said the Likud leader who when the war began suspended his party’s campaign for the February 10th elections. “Everyone has to choose which side of the battle he is on?”
Is this really an isolated local skirmish, asked one blogger, or is there a larger story at work here?
“Our fight with Hamas,” he replied, is with terrorists who have “backers in Iran” and have shown the “willingness to use any methods including firing rockets on innocent civilians….Israel is now the front line in the battle between militant Islam and the rest of the world – witness what has happened [in terms of terrorist attacks in recent years] in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Mumbai, New York, Washington….and there are enormous global consequences. Does Iran have a victory in one of its two forward outposts [the other being Hezbollah]?”
“Israel cannot tolerate an Iranian forward position [in Gaza],” he continued, saying that Israel’s long-term goal needs to be blocking Iran from becoming the dominant regional power. He also noted that Israel’s “immediate goal should be…removing the threat by stopping the firing and preventing the resupply of rockets and other weaponry by Hamas.”
The call was organized by One Jerusalem, an organization founded in the fall of 2000 by former Israeli deputy prime minister Natan Sharansky. One Jerusalem’s executive director, Allen Roth, moderated the discussion.
I had emailed in a question asking what can Jews, evangelical Christians and others can do to help Israel in the current conflict. Undoubtedly other bloggers emailed in similar questions. This was the second question posed to the former Prime Minister by Allen Roth.
“The most important thing [friends of Israel can do] is to tell the truth,” Netanyahu said. “There is a campaign of lies against us,” including that Israel started this conflict [they didn’t], that Israel is targeting innocent Palestinian civilians [they aren’t], that Israel isn’t allowing humanitarian aid to enter Gaza to care for innocents who are suffering [they are]. “Get the facts straight….the facts do count….the sequence counts.”
Hamas, he noted, has been “firing these rockets for eight years – eight years! Can you imagine what the U.S. would do if 6,000 rockets were fired from Mexico at San Diego? Would the U.S. wait eight years? Would they wait eight months? I don’t think they would wait eight minutes to fight back.”
Netanyahu pointed out that Hamas is launching rockets out of mosques, hospitals, elementary schools, universities – putting innocent Palestinians in harm’s way when Israel seeks to retaliate. “We don’t deliberately target civilians, though we regret when civilians are injured or killed,” he said. “That basic fact should be spoken…loud and clear by the friends of Israel and the friends of Jews.”
Regarding the immediate future of the Arab-Israeli peace process, Netanyahu said “the idea that you can have a final settlement….I think that is just not realistic.”
He noted that he had resigned from the cabinet in 2005 when the government of then-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon decided to give away Gaza for free. He said when it comes to any future potential “deals” with the Palestinians, “don’t repeat the mistakes of the past.”
Before there is anymore international talk of Israel ceding territory to the Palestinians, Israel needs to pursue four strategies:
1. Fight Islamic radicals
2. Strengthen Islamic moderates
3. Reestablish security on all of Israel’s borders
4. Begin rapid economic development for Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza
He was asked if he thought Hamas was holding out for the new administration of Barack Obama, hoping that Obama would put new pressure on Israel to stop fighting and accepting a potentially premature cease fire.
“I do remember Mr. Obama visited Sderot not long ago and said something to the effect that, ‘If my two girls lived in a home that was rocketed by terrorists, I would do everything in my power to stop it.’” He added, “I think the U.S. has an interest in stopping terrorists wherever they are.”
Netanyahu said the biggest threat Israel faces is not from Hamas, or even from Hezbollah, per se, but from Radical Islamic terrorists or states possessing nuclear weapons. He described Iran acquiring such weapons of mass destruction as a “nightmare scenario,” along with militant Islamists seizing control of nuclear-armed Pakistan. Though he did not lay out how he would approach the Iran crisis should he be elected Prime Minister, he strongly hinted that time is running out and that the West had to take decisive action before it is too late.
Netanyahu concluded by insisting that Israel “should do everything can to return Gilad Shalit,” the IDF soldier kidnapped by Hamas on June 25, 2006, though he declined to criticize the current Olmert government when asked if Olmert and his team were doing enough to bring Shalit home and to make his return a precondition of a cease fire.
Not asked – unfortunately — was whether Netanyahu believed Israel’s government should fully invade Gaza’s urban centers and bring down the Hamas leadership and terror infrastructure once and for all. It would have been useful to get his take on this because at the moment, my read is that the Olmert government is hedging on that decision. True, they have been calling up the Reserves and putting those Reserves into the Gaza theater to bolster the IDF forces already inching towards Hamas positions. But we have not seen a full scale ground campaign into Gaza’s toughest urban centers, the strongholds of the Hamas forces. Instead, the Olmert government seems to be waiting for a deal to emerge with Hamas, Egypt and the international community to bring about a rapid cease fire. Many here in Israel are worried that Olmert will accept a cease fire too quickly, as he did with Hezbollah in Lebanon in 2006. No Israeli parent wants to see another of their sons killed in combat. But scores of Israeli parents are telling me they want to see “the whole job done” — Hamas destroyed and the rocket threat squashed once and for all. They do not want to have the nation sacrifice so much in the last sixteen days only to see the threat reemerge all over again. Finish the job, they say.
Under the circumstances, I agree.
Israel has a fairly serious problem ahead.
Their lobby in the US is very powerful and most Americans have been ignorant of the truth as to how they treat their neighbors.
Not so long ago, I thought they were a scrappy little nation that took all comers and beat them.
I’ve a rather different opinion of them now.
As truth begins to spread, American support for Israel is going to be increasingly called into question.
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BlueJay
Posted January 13, 2009 at 6:59 pm | Permalink
Israel has a fairly serious problem ahead.
Their lobby in the US is very powerful and most Americans have been ignorant of the truth as to how they treat their neighbors.
Not so long ago, I thought they were a scrappy little nation that took all comers and beat them.
I’ve a rather different opinion of them now.
As truth begins to spread, American support for Israel is going to be increasingly called into question.
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Wrong!
This is Leftist thinking not liberal thinking.
Most liberal Congressman vote to support Israel.
Only the far left loonies think they have a chance of spoiling the support.
It ain’t happening chump, wake up to reality.
Truth has a way of changing minds Regular.
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BlueJay
Posted January 13, 2009 at 7:03 pm | Permalink
Truth has a way of changing minds Regular.
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Yeah, most Congress people read intelligence reports, you don’t.
They know the truth and you don’t Junior.
I am “junior” to you only in age.
You ponder that.
Also, my judgment is not clouded by doctrinal belief.
That can only spread.
the Left .. a colorful bunch of circus clowns indeed . . . .
http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/
Mr. XXX and other posters have hit the nail on the head.
WTF did Hamas expect to happen?
Do you sympathizers think Hamas cares about the Palestinians?
HAMAS plays the left like a fiddle
On the contrary dadman.
If there is one thing I personally do not like, it is dishonesty.
It seems my own country and media has been dishonest with me about the situation of the Palestinian people.
and so tell me BJ .. what is your news-source
Well we used to get good information from a poster here.
I guess I will have to go looking for a media that ISN’T under the influence of the Israeli lobby.
sorry BJ .. that “answer” does’nt work .. try again
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dadman
Posted January 13, 2009 at 7:18 pm | Permalink
and so tell me BJ .. what is your news-source
and so tell me BJ .. what is your news-source
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Chicken bones & rabbit’s feet?
Well it works for me.
Perhaps you can show me pictures of happy oppressed Palestinian people?
the poor lil guy .. aint got no sources no more
dodgin-n-back-peddln . . . . . poor BJ
I mean, people who are well treated and happy don’t lob rockets at other people.
Palestinians hate America and Americans. NOTHING is going to change that. No way, no how. If you support the Palestinian cause, you support hatred of America.
If you walk into Tel Aviv right now, you’d be welcome.
If you walked into Gaza, you’d be dead. You’d be dead because you’re American.
Like it or not, Israel is our friend.
Believe it or not Palestinians will always hate us.
Why would anyone support people who will always hate us?
scratchn fur substance .. you aint doin it BJ
Guess the talking anus and BJ have a lot in common.
Well,
How about YOUR sources.
Earlier, a poster said “Israel must survive.”
I’ve already posted that I don’t have a problem with that per se.
But an answer never came back. Why “MUST” Israel survive where it is as it is?
who can understand the mind of a donkey ??
People who have good sense don’t lob rockets at the giant next door.
BJ smears in crayola Why “MUST” Israel survive where it is as it is?
Let’s use a leftist tactic here…
Why shouldn’t Israel survive where it is?
On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said: “To your descendants [ the Jewish people ] I give this land [ Israel ] from the river of Egypt to the great river .. the Euphrates” . . . . . Genesis 15:18
I don’t believe that people hate without a really good reason.
Sixty years of blindly supporting their oppressors may have something to do with it.
I note here that SOME of the supporters of Israel don’t make their case very well. I’m concerned for life and human dignity on BOTH sides and I get called the most juvenile of names and ridiculed?
Is that why this injustice has gone on so long already?
I think the left thinks that the Arabs/Muslims need more terrority .. for “peiceful-purposes” of-course
Now SEE, there you go with that again dadman.
Less than a hundred years ago, the Jewish people were persecuted and many killed on the claim that they were subhuman.
NOW you want to tell me that the Jewish people had that same sort of invective written against another people in their holiest of books two thousand and more years ago?
Israel is quite comfortable living side-by-side with the philistines . . . . it’s the Philistines (HAMAS) that wants the elimination of the Jews in Israel . . . . negotiate with that .. ya doof
BlowJ,
Maybe you should consider finding another blog to foul.
Doesn’t seem that many like or think too much of you here. And what few ‘friends’ you do have, from time to time, are all twisted, neurotic outcasts themselves.
A little self examination is probably in order BJ, and I don’t mean putting your hand in your lap again, enough of that today already.
Here’s a test question for BJ.
Which are recognized by the United Nations as autonomous countries?
(A)France
(B)Israel
(C)Australia
(D)Palestine
More than once, and from more than one poster, I have seen supporters of Israel CHEER for the death and destruction in Gaza. A few of them even suggested genocide.
Hey, at least with me, the case for Israel is losing points fast.
How are they any different from what was done to them?
Frankly, I don’t understand why all you liberals are not supporting the Palestinians. They have the UN eating out of their hand figureatively and providing free food and medical handouts, handouts from all surrounding arab countries, and now they want the last piece of non-arab available top soil for their people.
In short, they want it all for nothing.
you don’t read very well do you BJ . . . . “invective written against another people in their holiest of books” . . . it’s not an “invecitve” . . . it’s a prophecy of what is going to happen . . . . the ARABS own the hostilities . . . ok ????
Bawks I really do not think you can help Israel’s case here.
A couple of kooks are calling me names and you join them? I’m not gonna read much into that.
How can I make this simpler ?? . . . HAMAS wants ALL of Israel .. they ALWAYS HAVE and they always WILL . . . therefore .. we have ourselves a nice little fight now dont we . . . freakn donkeys
Are we Americans our government? I ask that literally, not the way it’s supposed to work in a representative government, but the way it is. Are we responsible for the decisions made by our government leaders? Should we die for their wrong decisions?
If our government starts a war in Iraq and we disagree with that decision, are we responsible? In that war we and our children are killed, not our government leaders who made the decision we disagreed with, but are held responsible for.
We do get to go to the polls on the next election day and do have the option of UNelecting government leaders who made decisions we disagree with. That is if we even know what those leaders decided, if we know what those leaders are doing that we are being held responsible for. How many Americans are well informed?
If fewer than all Americans know what is going on in government with all our great freedoms, is it possible fewer Palestinians know what decisions their government makes that they not only are responsible for, but also die for.
Uh huh dadman.
I have to run an errand. Try some gymnastics til I get back.
You at least are honest. Sorta.
You keep referring to a particular group of human beings as donkeys.
Tell me how you are different from a virulent Nazi circa 1938. Show your work.
OMG !!! it’s Linda now .. enough insanity for me to handle .. I’m outta here .. later yall :0)
One more question, addressed to all you who keep guns and ammunition to protect yourself and family.
If you were living in a city that had been walled off by a government of a neighboring country, and they controlled whether your family was able to have food, medical care, water, would you consider using those guns to protect your family from those who imposed the hunger, the potential lack of medical care…?
BlueJay
Posted January 13, 2009 at 7:28 pm | Permalink
Well,
How about YOUR sources.
Earlier, a poster said “Israel must survive.”
I’ve already posted that I don’t have a problem with that per se.
But an answer never came back. Why “MUST” Israel survive where it is as it is?
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BJ has never answered the question I asked.
BJ, when will you relocate away from the Native American land you currently occupy?
We do get to go to the polls on the next election day and do have the option of UNelecting government leaders who made decisions we disagree with.
Obama’s team announced they will follow President George Bush’s time table for withdrawal from Iraq.
I guess you didn’t elect someone who disagrees with the Bush Iraq Doctrine. In fact, it now appears Obama is a big supporter!
but I will leave you with this .. I am inviting you all to a Muslim Rave party .. it goes a little like this . . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boAmijQ-Uo0&mode=related&search=
yall come back now .. ya hear ???
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lindainks55
Posted January 13, 2009 at 7:47 pm | Permalink
One more question, addressed to all you who keep guns and ammunition to protect yourself and family.
If you were living in a city that had been walled off by a government of a neighboring country, and they controlled whether your family was able to have food, medical care, water, would you consider using those guns to protect your family from those who imposed the hunger, the potential lack of medical care…?
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You mean Berlin? :)
So if government does what you disagree with, should you still be held accountable for their decisions, should you and your family be in danger because of their decisions? Should you die because of decisions made bu government?
Yea Obama .. he’s tha man :0)
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dadman
Posted January 13, 2009 at 7:51 pm | Permalink
but I will leave you with this .. I am inviting you all to a Muslim Rave party .. it goes a little like this . . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boAmijQ-Uo0&mode=related&search=
yall come back now .. ya hear ???
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lmao!
No answers, just deflection and questions instead of answers.
Obama was breifed by the Bush administration after the election on details of the situation in Iraq.
All over Washington DC, an incredibly loud thunder-like yell could be heard from Obama once he was educated on the situation there:
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttttttt!
In that war we and our children are killed, not our government leaders
I believe Israel has killed quite a number of the Hamas leaders this trip into Indian Country. And their children using the pinpoint accuracy developed by American arms manufacturers.
Otherwise I give your post a B-. It was very wordy.
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lindainks55
Posted January 13, 2009 at 7:51 pm | Permalink
So if government does what you disagree with, should you still be held accountable for their decisions, should you and your family be in danger because of their decisions? Should you die because of decisions made bu government?
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You mean like the colonies in the American Revolution against the British?
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lindainks55
Posted January 13, 2009 at 7:51 pm | Permalink
So if government does what you disagree with, should you still be held accountable for their decisions, should you and your family be in danger because of their decisions? Should you die because of decisions made bu government?
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Perhaps if you wouldn’t use loaded question hypotheticals, someone would answer them.
“You haven’t answered any questions or really made an attempt to discuss the issue…only sarcasm and put downs. I’m not validating that, I’ve got better things to do. Sorry.” — Mary Caruso
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You were right, Mary. I should have listened to your wisdom.
If you were living in a city that had been walled off by a government of a neighboring country, and they controlled whether your family was able to have food, medical care, water, would you consider using those guns to protect your family from those who imposed the hunger, the potential lack of medical care…?
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That’s not the case in Palestine.
Egypt is to the south. What is Egypt doing to help Palestine?
The Med is to the West. What is Palestine doing to import/export it’s own products with the rest of the world?
Lebanon is to the north. What is Lebanon doing to help Palestine?
Nice strawman Linda. Israel is NOT surrounding Palestine.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttttttt!
Hey Mr. Johnson! You got that right. We are going to be witness to some real good tap dancing by the Obama camp. They’ve already ticked off the extremists calling for immediate withdrawal (again, after being disappointed by the Congressional elections which placed democrats in charge, largely with their support.
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RoaCH
Posted January 13, 2009 at 7:58 pm | Permalink
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttttttt!
Hey Mr. Johnson! You got that right. We are going to be witness to some real good tap dancing by the Obama camp. They’ve already ticked off the extremists calling for immediate withdrawal (again, after being disappointed by the Congressional elections which placed democrats in charge, largely with their support.
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C…H…A…N…G…E
Yeah, uh huh :D
Nice strawman Linda.
Strawman or StrawMEN? Geez I couldn’t keep up with them all. I felt like I was playing pick-up-sticks and no matter what I was going to bring the whole thing down if I leaped like a froggy.
Gosh Linda, you ask an interesting question above. Are the people responsible for their own Government?
Were the German people living within several miles of the death camps responsible for the concentration camps which killed 6 million humans?
Gosh I don’t know. Did those people elect Hitler? Did they do whatever Hitler told them to do or did they fight back? Did they first turn in their guns so that they couldn’t fight back?
So many questions, so few answers.
If I build a really good argument, is it ok to hate the Jews in Israel?
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lindainks55
Posted January 13, 2009 at 7:57 pm | Permalink
“You haven’t answered any questions or really made an attempt to discuss the issue…only sarcasm and put downs. I’m not validating that, I’ve got better things to do. Sorry.” — Mary Caruso
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You were right, Mary. I should have listened to your wisdom.
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but but…You left out the good parts that Mary wrote…
Mary_Caruso
Posted January 13, 2009 at 4:52 pm | Permalink
I think what is so pathetic is that those often wear their Christianity on their sleeve are heartless, ignorant, and incapable of compassion.
C…H…A…N…G…E Yeah, uh huh :D
Now Regular, there WILL be change! Don’t you believe? Here I’ll give you some examples:
1. Iraq War will continue on Bush schedule but will be better because it’s part of the Obama change.
2. Stimulus Package. Obama is going to give the poor people, even those who didn’t pay income taxes – a special stimulus check. Yes, I know, you are going to argue Bush already tried that. But this is different. OBAMA is doing it as part of change.
3. Stimulus Package. Obama is going to give small businesses money so they can make ends meet and maybe hire more people under the higher minimum wage costs. Yes, I know George Bush gave BIG businesses a break like this – but again THIS is different Obama is doing it.
4. Appointments to Office. Obama has selected all new people to fill cabinet seats. Yes, I know, many are Clinton era folks and even some old Bush era folks. But they’ve all been counseled – they are working for Obama now and they are part of the change.
See, told you, lots of change, even if it appears it’s more of the same. Trust Obama. He says it’s change.
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lindainks55
Posted January 13, 2009 at 7:51 pm | Permalink
So if government does what you disagree with, should you still be held accountable for their decisions, should you and your family be in danger because of their decisions? Should you die because of decisions made bu government?
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Ask the Germans
Ask the Japanese
Ask the Iraqis
You might add Iranians. Have been reading of rumblings by the populace there. Some say all the showmanship by their crazy prez is to distract the people from their misery. I also know one Iranian immigrant family who left years ago. Not happy campers. (now how do we exploit that?) Off subject.
BlueJay
Posted January 13, 2009 at 7:31 pm | Permalink
I don’t believe that people hate without a really good reason.
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How about the KKK?
What is your sympathy with them BlueJay?
What was the KKK’s ‘really good reason’, BlueJay?
Did I just read many posters from all sides are unhappy with the United Nations?
Isn’t that something positive we have in common?
BlowJ posts; “A couple of kooks are calling me names and you join them? I’m not gonna read much into that.”
BJ, what names am I calling me you object to?
Anyway back to the headline “Should U.N. sanction Israel?”
I say, WTF would that do? (look at recent history)
(Linda, the answer is nothing.)
The thread subject also reveals the problems with the United Nations…. Impotent, I believe it is called.
BJ, what names am I calling you that you object to?
Our next Sec Of State said today:
We should also use the United Nations and other international institutions whenever appropriate and possible.
Hillary Clinton’s Statement at Senate Confirmation Hearing
Roach I am excited and know we are heading in a new direction now.
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RoaCH
Posted January 13, 2009 at 8:29 pm | Permalink
The thread subject also reveals the problems with the United Nations…. Impotent, I believe it is called.
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And that’s a shame. It was our last best hope. It’s been hijacked by the nutcases.
Israel will ignore the UN as will Hamas.
Damn those Israelis!!!!!
Frequent readers are familiar with the character of some of the posters here advocating blind, unquestioning support of Israel.
Newer readers will no doubt read much into the rhetoric of the same supporters of Israel.
THAT almost makes me sorry for Israel.
Almost.
Even the most reputable poster among Israel’s supporters expressed resignation to genocide of the Palestinian people.
And how much CAN we know of the plight of the people in Gaza? They have to smuggle food and water ( and yes rockets) into Gaza through tunnels in the ground. Their news from the outside must be sketchy.
The news we get of their treatment too.
I can only speak for myself. I won’t turn a blind eye on persecution and murder.
PS to ANTI
Intstitutionalized racism would be an example of a good bad reason to hate. They simply knew no better and chose not to.
Sorta like the blindly supportive posters for Israel here.
a good bad reason
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Not familiar with that, please explain.
I think I’ll stick to this topic thanks.
Sorry no luck for your redirect.
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ANTI
Posted January 13, 2009 at 9:07 pm | Permalink
a good bad reason
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Not familiar with that, please explain.
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LOL!
I just peed a little…thanks BJ.
Does anybody really follow what BlowJ was trying to get across with that….whatever it was above, does anybody really care.
Lets see, ‘it’s okay to smuggle rockets in and shoot them at civilians if you are doing it along with food and water’. Oh, and the news is “sketchy”.
Was that about it?
Where the heck did you go BlowJ, to get drunk?
You all have fun…even you BJ, you are like the ‘New 09 Chas’…Thanks.
Israel will ignore the UN as will Hamas.
Damn those Israelis!!!!!
I don’t care who gets damned. Not our problemo.
We have enough of our own.
I just don’t want some jacka$4 president sending in the military to get bombed in some terrorist trap again.
If it was football, I’d be betting on Israel and maybe wearing their colors in the stands. But I’d also appreciate a good hit by either side during the game.
Just keep our team, our boys out of it.
BJ’s post was a good bad post, from a normal abnormal human sub-human.
I’m sorry you don’t read above a fourth grade level there bawks*
It would tend to explain the juvenile language found in most of your posts.
*(bawks refers to Boxlock20 for a number of good reasons)
Moderation of my post again.
I guess it is ok for dadman to call the Palestinian people donkeys.
I was trying to ask how that is any different from the Nazis calling the Jews subhuman, rats, and a few other terms that I guess got my post held.
Dadman ducked it. Anybody else care to field it?
BlueJay
Posted January 13, 2009 at 9:03 pm | Permalink
Intstitutionalized racism would be an example of a good bad reason to hate. They simply knew no better and chose not to.
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This is ABOVE the 4th grade level? WTF? Is there a coherent thought there? One brain cell even?
CHAS: Are you going to be praying a blessing on the OBama’s dog again tonight (even though they haven’t bought one yet)?
Just wondering because you are starting to ulogize and create sainthood before this guy is even in office.
I understand the mindset because Catholics do the same thing with their pope. You can buy pope toys to pray to even before the new guy is seated.
So please, pray for the Obama’s future dog again tonight. Doggoneit, they need all the help they can get.
Do you have something to add to THIS topic “jim”
Like the nic you usually post under maybe?
How do you feel about calling a whole group of people, men women and children, donkeys?
Are you in favor of the Israelis killing all of the Palestinians, again, men women and children as some posters here have called for?
Persecutor
Accuser
Victim
BJ is quite good at playing this game.
Well sort of…
…in a good bad way
…know what I mean?
I wish they’d moderate all you posts BJ, that way you could sit there and admire them yourself, and none of the rest of us would see or be pained by them.
This is your brain on drugs…..
*(bawks refers to Boxlock20 for a number of good reasons)—BlowJ
I am sure all are completely uninterested but if you want to start explaining, I’ll certainly finish.
Well you didn’t want the peace you say the Palestinians should except there Regular.
So, you won’t mind if I honestly remind readers that you are a socially isolated misfit who lives with his sister and collects welfare.
Oh and has variously threatened to shoot other posters, break into offices, and “wreak hell on the blog”.
Going forward, Israel will probably NEED the support of folks like you. If they cannot learn to treat their neighbors better.
Yes.
Huh? My nic is clear. You changed yours though.
Donkey’s? Your political party embraces a donkey as its symbol. Does that bother you? Is that something worth starting a war over, calling someone a GASP, a name?
I fully support Israel defending itself from the constant attacks, including 3,000 rockets this year from the Palestinians. War is hell. Men, women, and children all get injured or killed. There is no clean pristine war BJ.
And because war is hell, if I were in Palestine, I would do everything I could to stop its attacks on Israel or I would get out, because I know to expect a counter attack whenever any country with a strong military is attacked.
Get a Bib BlueJay.
Was Sherman’s march through Georgia hell? You bet. Did it help to end the war? Darn right it did.
Look at ANY successful military campaign to wipe out an attacking force, and you will find much hell. You will also find decisive victory, and decisive defeat, and then the war ends.
I know what some posters here tell us that Palestinians think.
But so far, it is only the supporters of Israel I see calling for genocide.
Then BJ, you are blind.
Say BJ, see this website built just for you:
http://www.brailleworks.com/
Ever wonder why there is braille on drive-up ATM’s?
Our Government, in its infinite stroke of brilliance, wrote the braille ATM requirement into the Americans with Disabilities Act.
(Soon BJ, there will be an Americans with No Abilities Act, written just for you and your ilk.)
I’m ok with the unapologetic supporters of Israel calling me names.
They show more about themselves AND their cause.
Ok “Jim” why don’t you show me where anyone questioning Israel advocated genocide?
XXX, for one advocated the mass slaughter of the Palestinian people. Dadman is positively giddy about the violence and destruction in Gaza.
And your counter example?
“XXX
Posted January 13, 2009 at 7:27 pm | Permalink
Palestinians hate America and Americans”
This is about as ignorant a statement as saying Baptists hate blacks.
The actions of a few do not speak for the many.
Congress to Consider Americans With No Abilities Act
WASHINGTON, DC—Congress is debating the Americans With No Abilities Act, sweeping new legislation that would provide benefits and protection for more than 135 million talentless Americans.
The act, if signed into law by President Obama would be hailed as a major victory for the millions upon millions of U.S. citizens who lack any real skills or uses.
“Roughly 50 percent of Americans—through no fault of their own–do not possess the talent necessary to carve out a meaningful role for themselves in society,” said Obama, a longtime ANA supporter. “Their lives are futile hamster-wheel existences of unrewarding, dead-end busywork: xeroxing documents written by others, fulfilling mail-in rebates for Black & Decker toaster ovens, and processing bureaucratic forms that nobody will ever see. Sadly, for these millions of nonabled Americans, the American dream of working hard and moving up through the ranks is simply not a reality.”
Under the Americans With No Abilities Act, more than 25 million important-sounding “middle man” positions will be created in the white-collar sector for nonabled persons, providing them with an illusory sense of purpose and ability. Mandatory, non-performance-based raises and promotions will also be offered to create a sense of upward mobility for even the most unremarkable, utterly replaceable employees.
The legislation also provides corporations with incentives to hire nonabled workers, including tax breaks for those who hire one non-germane worker for every two talented hirees.
Finally, the Americans With No Abilities Act also contains tough new measures to prevent discrimination against the nonabled by banning prospective employers from asking such job-interview questions as, “What can you bring to this organization?” and “Do you have any special skills that would make you an asset to this company?”
“As a nonabled person, I frequently find myself unable to keep up with co-workers who have something going for them,” said Mary Lou Gertz, who lost her position as an unessential filing clerk at a Minneapolis tile wholesaler last month because of her lack of notable skills. “This new law should really help people like me.”
With the passage of the Americans With No Abilities Act, Gertz and millions of other untalented, inessential citizens would finally see a light at the end of the tunnel.
Said Obama “It is our duty, both as lawmakers and as human beings, to provide each and every American citizen, regardless of his or her lack of value to society, some sort of space to take up in this great nation.”
Spoken/written like an American with No abilities. Thanks, JJ.
Rgular: Still trying to figure out where “weasel” comes in for nailing the raison d’etre of the American Thinker. Do you NOT think it is a right wing conservative entity dedicated to the Israeli lobby? Maybe you didn’t read anything else on the site save the bit you pasted. I did….and I was merely reporting the was site offering Hebrew. Does that offend you? As to Mike Wallace, maybe that’s the “weasel” part? I dunno……maybe you have a problem when confronted with the fragility of your base premise. Try being genuine, it’s refreshing as all get out..
I’m sure Regular will appreciate your post Jim.
What it has to do with Israel murdering Palestinians I don’t know.
Maybe that was your point?
“Palestinians hate America and Americans”
“This is about as ignorant a statement as saying Baptists hate blacks.
The actions of a few do not speak for the many.—brian_nuevo
But the actions of many do, and that IS the situation.
Uh yeah, check the body count there bawks.
A couple of Israelis get killed.
Do they modify their behavior and better treat their neighbors?
No, they bomb schools and hospitals in Palestinian territory.
“Boxlock20
Posted January 13, 2009 at 10:18 pm | Permalink
But the actions of many do, and that IS the situation.”
I was not aware many (I would think it would have to be a majority of people acting to be able to give a blanket statement like ‘all Palestinians”) were involved in the fighting.
What percentage of Palestinians do you think were involved in the rocket attacks on Isreal?
” A couple of Israelis get killed.
Do they modify their behavior and better treat their neighbors?”
Of course not nitwit, this isn’t a Sat. pickup basketball game, it’s war and they are out to win. And doing an admirable job at that. Taking the Hamas donkeys to school, you’ve been there BJ.
I think you just defended oppression and murder there bawks.
That doesn’t surprise me a great deal.
And from you too the ancient text based racial slurs.
I don’t see anyone here doing that to the Jewish people.
Why do you do it to the Palestinian people?
The bible tells you so?
That’s some book you have there. I hope you won’t mind if I want no part of it.
What percentage of Palestinians do you think were involved in the rocket attacks on Isreal?[sic]–brian_nuevo
“Isreal”, what and where the heck is that?
Anyway, and you mean the celebrations in the streets after 9/11 and voting Hamas into government and putting up with and then celebrating the rocket attacks. Is that what you’re asking. Gee, is there anything in there (your head) brian except ocean sounds?
Yes bawks, I’ve faced down a bully and a coward.
Well, I tried to. You didn’t show up.
“And from you too the ancient text based racial slurs. I don’t see anyone here doing that to the Jewish people.”
Uh, there aren’t any lame brain, read it and see.
“Boxlock20
Posted January 13, 2009 at 10:32 pm | Permalink
…Is that what you’re asking. Gee, is there anything in there (your head) brian except ocean sounds?”
Well, other than my misspelling of Israel, my question was quite clear.
What percentage of Palestinians do you think were involved in the rocket attacks on Israel?
The bible, that portion of it written by Jews, called the Palestinians donkeys. That was their world then.
It is your world just a few minutes ago.
Go ahead and say it. A maimed Palestinian child is no more than an unfortunate donkey to you.
Again, that’s some faith you have.
It doesn’t matter, can’t you figure that out. Israel is going after Hamas. Hamas consists of a bunch of murderous cowards that hide behind their own children and fellow men and women. It is Hamas that is placing those innocents in the line of fire and that tactic will not work, can never and will never work. Only a compete idiot would think it would.
BlowJ, I didn’t show up to meet a fool, I have better things to do. You should thank me for the lesson I taught you about YOURSELF….that you are a dumba$$.
I can’t argue a cowards take on cowards there bawks.
Happy about Israel murdering Palestinians aren’t you? At least own up to it. Dadman did. XXX almost did.
I am just tickled that Hamas is getting their a$$ kick, and worse. Civilian deaths are tragic, but that too is the fault of Hamas and only Hamas. If they want to kill Israelis, they need to get out away from the civilians and fight, but they are cowards and they want their own killed to generate press coverage that weak minded people like you BJ go on about. You’re dumber than they are and that ain’t saying much.
Time for some reading and washing all the ‘BJ Pelosi’ off me before bed.
Night all.
It has been said that religion is the opiate of the masses.
More like it is the crack cocaine of the masses.
I’m glad I’m not an addict. I’ve seen what it does to otherwise decent people.
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sursum
Posted January 13, 2009 at 10:16 pm | Permalink
Rgular: Still trying to figure out where “weasel” comes in for nailing the raison d’etre of the American Thinker. Do you NOT think it is a right wing conservative entity dedicated to the Israeli lobby? Maybe you didn’t read anything else on the site save the bit you pasted. I did….and I was merely reporting the was site offering Hebrew. Does that offend you? As to Mike Wallace, maybe that’s the “weasel” part? I dunno……maybe you have a problem when confronted with the fragility of your base premise. Try being genuine, it’s refreshing as all get out..
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raison d’etre for a Website?
No, there are real people that represent their views on that Website. Websites cannot “be”, it’s just a group of pixels.
Do you have some against Hebrew? Are you anti-Semitic?
BlueJay
Posted January 13, 2009 at 11:06 pm | Permalink
It has been said that religion is the opiate of the masses.
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Written like a true Kommie.
I’m a social democrat, not a communist Regular.
It is folks like me advocate for your right to continue to be supported on the GOVERNMENT dime.
Since you toil not neither do you spin?
That isn’t manna you get out of your mailbox on well scheduled intervals.
Regular: I doubt very much any site dedicated to any specific idea to the exclusion of other viewpoints, is a serious endeavor. Purveyors of all stripes, right and left, commission drafts, essays and “reports” which are paid for by the word. I don’t think most of those writers have conviction behind their composition rather they compose for a specific “ism” to be embellished, for a living. FYI raison d’etre = purpose or..reason to be! American Thinker is a sham site falling into the description noted above.
The relative indifference of the Islamic world to the plight of black
Muslims is nothing short of breathtaking. While 300,000 Africans
have lost their lives to Arab genocide in the past six years, the
only Muslim protest has actually been in defense of their killers . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 cheers for that “religion-of-peace” . . . . . . . . . . .
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Barn,
“Everybody on both sides need to die, before this problem is resolved.”
I don’t think it needs to get that drastic; after all, the Hatfields and the McCoy’s managed to shake hands and make peace.
No, “Jed” –
It’s like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n0mgkaEGQc
Now all we have to figure out is who is Paul Newman and who is George Kennedy.