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Excellent main editorial in this morning’s EAGLE. It’s titled, “Productive, Koch’s Boathouse proposal fits times.” The EAGLE’s editorial board has this one right.
THIS HISTORIC OLD BOATHOUSE SHOULD BE SAVED.
It was built in the 1920’s by master Wichita contractor, George Siedhoff, for the Marland Oil Company, that later became Continental Oil Company.
The gingerbread verandas were added in recent years in the 1990’s to mimic the old Wichita Boathouse further north just west of Waco on Murdoch, on the little Arkansas River.
Don’t have time now to add more but hope to later this week.
Will Laura and George W. Bush split after his term as president ends on the afternoon of Jan. 20?
Bush has always said he and first lady Laura Bush would go back home to Texas. But the details of their living situation has been a mystery.
Rumors have indicated that George W. Bush will live at his beloved ranch in Crawford, Texas, the place dubbed the ”Western White House” where he welcomed numerous world leaders and spent countless hours clearing brush. Laura Bush will supposedly be living in the newly purchased home in an affluent North Dallas neighborhood.
White House press secretary Dana Perino has indicated George W. Bush will live at the Crawford ranch but did not mention the new Dallas home fueling speculation of a post-presidency split.
Maybe Laura Bush agrees with 73% of the American public who think her husband is a loser.
Reasons to oppose Eric Holder for Attorney General. Aside from his gun banning ways…
Holder’s role in Waco:
The federal prosecutor who raised questions about a possible Justice Department cover-up in the Waco standoff was abruptly removed from the case along with his boss, according to a court filing made public Tuesday.
Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder recused U.S. Attorney James W. Blagg in San Antonio and assistant U.S. Attorney Bill Johnston in Waco, Texas, from any further dealings in criminal or civil proceedings related to the siege.
Holder on medical marijuana for AIDS patients:
Members of the AIDS Coalition to Unleash Power (ACT-UP), a national AIDS advocacy organization, filed the initiative earlier this year after interim Council Chair Charlene Drew Jarvis and U.S. Attorney Eric Holder proposed legislation to stiffen penalties for the possession of marijuana. “We should not make criminals out of sick and dying people who are simply trying to improve the quality and quantity of their lives,” ACT-UP spokesman Steve Michael explained.
Holder and Elian Gonzalez:
About two weeks before the raid, Tim Russert asked Holder, “You wouldn’t send a SWAT team in the dark of night to kidnap the child, in effect?” Holder answered, “No, we don’t expect anything like that to happen.” Then the Department did precisely that. The day after the seizure, Holder appeared again with Russert, who asked, “Why such a dramatic change in position?” “I’m not sure I’d call it a dramatic change,” Holder answered.
Holder and the Mark Rich Pardon:
A forthcoming Congressional report on the last-minute pardons by President Bill Clinton says Deputy Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. was a ”willing participant in the plan to keep the Justice Department from knowing about and opposing” a pardon for Marc Rich, the financier…
The most controversial pardon went to Mr. Rich, a commodities trader who fled the country in 1983 rather than face trial on charges of tax evasion, racketeering and trading with the enemy…
Mr. Holder, the report says, played a major role, steering Mr. Rich’s lawyers toward Jack Quinn, a former White House counsel…
The panel criticized Mr. Holder’s conduct as unconscionable and cited several problems. It cited his admission last year that he had hoped Mr. Quinn would support his becoming attorney general in a Gore administration.
Don’t forget to point out that “Rich bought oil cheaply from Iran during the American embargo during the hostage crisis, and sold it high.”
Holder’s defending clemency for terrorists:
Chairman Orrin Hatch grilled Holder because the FALN terrorists never even requested clemency…
And, the Clinton Administration never even contacted the victim’s families.
The FALN terrorist’s were behind more than 120 bomb attacks on United States targets between 1974 and 1983…
Here’s his performance before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Another point to bring up is that the Justice Department never approached the pardoned prisoners for information on one of their accomplices who was on the FBI’s “10 Most Wanted” list.
http://www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-Rights-Examiner%7Ey2009m1d6-How-to-hold-Holder-without-using-guns
monkeyhawk, how do you find the time to “know everything” why didn’t you run for leader of the world?
“wichhick” –
I am not now, nor do I have any plans to be, a candidate for Governor of Kansas.
Please don’t support the efforts of Jeremy Shops (jeremy_shops@hotmail.com) to draft me into politics.
But you didn’t answer my question (proof I don’t “know everything,” I’d think):
Does your “let the courts decide” philosophy apply to the Supreme Court’s decision with Roe v. Wade?
Of course if this was a republican, the holier than thou democrats would be screaming bloody murder for the congressman to step down. Not to mention make darn sure the investigation was in the news and public. But since it’s a democrat criminal?
Not so much.
“House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles B. Rangel has no intention of giving up his powerful post.
To the contrary, the New York Democrat is launching a concerted counterattack against The New York Times, which reported last week that Rangel helped retain a multimillion-dollar tax loophole for an oil drilling company at the same time that the company’s CEO was pledging $1 million to the Charles B. Rangel Center for Public Service at City College of New York.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, meanwhile, is denying GOP charges that she has interfered with the House ethics committee’s investigation into Rangel by promising that the panel’s probe would be completed by the end of the 110th Congress.
Although Pelosi said last week that she’d received “assurances” that the committee would finish its investigation before Jan. 3, her office says she was referring to assurances from her own staff that the committee typically completes its investigations that quickly — and not to any inappropriate, inside communication she received from committee members themselves.”
Hello Pelosi! It’s now January 8th!!!
The dark side risen.
monkeyhawk, i did answer your question. perhaps you need a speed reading class. I have no idea who shops is, besides you wouldn’t get my vote even though you know everything. Do you support the reversal of D.C.’s gun ban by the courts?
monkeyhawk, you haven’t answered my question. it was a short one
Ted Stevens Alaska accepting free work on his home and Sen. Larry Craig have a little hanky-panky in a public restroom both and democrats ROARING with indignation. Threads were created.
Black democrat Charlie Rangel from New York?
[crickets chirping]
“When Pelosi emerged from the meeting she refused to speak with reporters but shook her head no when asked if she asked him to step aside.
Rangel, who has admitted he failed to report investment income from condos in the Dominican Republican and Florida, breezed by reporters staking out his meeting with Pelosi, Majority Whip James Clyburn and other party leaders.
“At this point in time, I’m not able to answer any questions, so don’t be offended,” the Harlem Democrat said.”
[crickets chirping]
What’s your problem “wichhick?” –
Short attention span?
You asked (about three minutes ago) –
“Do you support the reversal of D.C.’s gun ban by the courts?’
I accept it as a SCOTUS decision and, therefore, the law of the land.
But there’s some cognitive dissonance to the SCOTUS majority’s alleged “conservative” bent.
I thought the government closest to the people should represent the conservative philosophy.
The local government decided they’d rather have fewer guns but the oppressive federal government forced them to conform to oppressive federal government standards which went against local government’s approach to a local issue.
What’s “conservative” about that?
Republican Lawyers Slam Minn. Recount Procedures
Monday, January 5, 2009 3:43 PM
By: Jim Meyers
The Republican National Lawyers Association has issued a detailed report sharply critical of the Minnesota Senate recount, which is poised to award victory to Democrat Al Franken over incumbent Republican Norm Coleman.
“It is the RNLA’s goal that legal voters — not lawyers, election officials, or courts — should decide elections,” the RNLA states on its Web site.
“Recent decisions in the Minnesota Senate recount cast that in serious doubt. Particularly troubling are the actions of the Franken campaign to disenfranchise non-Franken voters and the actions of the Secretary of State Mark Ritchie.
“Ritchie and his office have made a number of extremely dubious decisions during the recount, all of which favor Franken.”
Among the many assertions in the RNLA report:
# The canvas — a process to resubmit the vote totals from election night from local precincts to a central location — found errors favoring Franken so statistically improbable that statisticians are questioning the officials in several counties.
# During the recount an election official said that an error resulted in Franken losing votes when a precinct double counted some votes on election night. But after pressure from Democrats led the official to change her story, the Mark Ritchie-led Canvassing Board decided that the recount would instead use the Election Day total, which was more favorable to Franken.
# A Ramsey County precinct ended up with 177 more ballots than there were recorded votes on Election Night. In that case, the board decided to go with the extra ballots, rather than the Election Night total, even though the county is now showing more ballots than voters in the precinct. This gave Mr. Franken a net gain of 37 votes.
# Double votes were counted for Franken. Damaged ballots couldn’t be fed through optical scanners, and under Minnesota law, election judges must copy such ballots, mark the copies as duplicates and count them, and keep the originals. Coleman argued that both originals and duplicates made it into the recount, and his attorneys went to court when the Canvassing Board ruled against him on those ballots.
# On rejected absentee ballots, Franken refused “to meaningfully participate in the process to review them,” according to the RNLA, while the Secretary of State’s office sought to “disenfranchise military voters.”
# Incoming National Republican Senatorial Committee Chair Texas Senator John Cornyn declared: “Al Franken is falsely declaring victory based on an artificial lead created on the back of the double counting of ballots. His campaign’s actions in the last several days on the issues of rejected absentee ballots are creating additional chaos and disorder in the Minnesota recount.”
# Senate Rules Chair Charles Schumer of New York was quoted as saying: “With the Minnesota recount complete, it is now clear that Al Franken won the election … and while there are still possible legal issues that will run their course, there is no longer any doubt who will be the next Senator from Minnesota.” The RNLA asserts that Schumer “should recuse himself from any Senate Rules Committee hearings on the race.”
The RNLA quotes a Minnesota-based Republican blogger: “The bottom line is that the recount has shown how flawed the election process is in Minnesota and a legal challenge to the recount process will provide further important analysis on how we can strengthen the integrity of our elections.
“Team Franken is filled with east-coast transplants and Washington D.C. staffers who parachuted into Minnesota to work on Franken’s campaign. I don’t believe they have any credible connection to Minnesotan and therefore won’t concern themselves with Minnesota voters being disenfranchised. They will trample the rights of voters without any hesitation to get Franken seated in the U.S. Senate.”
© 2009 Newsmax. All rights reserved.
A reminder how time slips away, from a song in the past by Crosby, Stills and Nash – Teach Your Children
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6pphVs8bF0
so, it took you so long to answer beause you had to search for the answer from some left wing web site. was the “roe vs. wade” decision a decision of the court or was it a decision of the “SCOTUS” at that time. Did it not override what local government may have wanted? what is good for the goose is good for the gander? i guess only if you “agree”
Monkey”boy” says-
“But there’s some cognitive dissonance to the SCOTUS majority’s alleged “conservative” bent.
I thought the government closest to the people should represent the conservative philosophy.”
So what you’re saying is that the local governments should be able to violate the items in the original Bill of Rights as long as the Federal Government doesnt? I don’t believe that’s part of “conservative philosophy”.
“HLP” cuts-and-posts –
Republican Lawyers Slam Minn. Recount Procedures
I’m stunned at that news.
How have those Republican Lawyers done so far with Minnesota law?
BlueJay sighs with content.
The sun is not even risen and already the cons are tuning up for an all day whine.
monkeykawk.actually it was 12 minutes not 3 minutes so at 7:30 you will respond to my 7:18 post or will you just go away?
” from a song in the past by Crosby, Stills and Nash – Teach Your Children”
Who? CSNY? And Neil Young.
Deja Vu
Awwwh!
“That is just a bunch of Pelosi!”
blujay, i see no whining just your friends (i have accused you of having none, giving you a benefit of the doubt here) doing the whining and not responding typical for you and them. read monkey’s first entry
monkey, it is 7:32, need to get after those who feed you answers. they are falling down on the job.
wichhick
Internet email services are slow this morning.
Liberals, Progressives, and Fascists(that’s you B.J.)
You folks have been all bent out of shape for the past 5-6 years over constitutional protections for foreign terrorists. What’s your opinion of Eric Holder? To my way of thinking you would be all bent out of shape over an anti-freedom Fascist like Holder. (not B.J. of course)
What have you foks got to say about him?
foks s/b folks. No offense intended.
“wichhick” alleges –
“so, it took you so long to answer beause you had to search for the answer from some left wing web site.”
No.
It “took so long” — a couple of minutes — before I was finished with another post and happened across yours.
How narcissistic do you have to be to think others are constantly hanging on every word you post?
Who, really, would bother to try to decode –
” was the “roe vs. wade” decision a decision of the court or was it a decision of the “SCOTUS” at that time. “
Uhm… aren’t both the same?
What’s the “either/or” in your question?
“Did it not override what local government may have wanted? “
Perhaps. But then, I’m a “big government ‘lib,’” not an alleged conservative.
“what is good for the goose is good for the gander? i guess only if you “agree”
Now you’ve disproven your earlier attack along the lines that I “know everything.”
That’s the way to bet, of course, on most matters. But I really have no idea what that last bit of word salad. Aren’t ganders simply male geese?
monkeyhawk, how do you find the time to “know everything” why didn’t you run for leader of the world?”—wichhick
wichhick, he sure thinks he knows everything, yet typically without fail shows he is not only ignorant, simply a self styled (pseudo) intellectual, but also a complete a$$.
And don’t give him any ideas, he would love to, and is completely self confident, he could be leader of the world.
But isn’t that a characteristic of a mad man.
I don’t know a lot about Holder there Heckler.
But if YOU don’t like him?
He has to be doing something right.
monkey, what did you say?
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D95IFM200&show_article=1
Is Algore in Europe now?
“wichhick” chimes in with –
“monkey, what did you say?”
Ah, the heartbreak of Attention Deficit Disorder.
B.J.
“But if YOU don’t like him?
He has to be doing something right.”
I think you’d like him. He’s all for the “fairness doctrine”, stifling speech on the internet,banning guns, and kidnapping small children at the point of a machine gun…as long as it’s a government agent holding the machine gun.
One of the many legacies of Eric Holder.
http://inplacenews.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/
monkeyhawk, so what did you say? why can’t you simply give a short response as bluejay did to heckler reflecting what all you and bluejay know?
As suspected, no concern by democrats over a crooked democrat.
With a super majority, you cannot afford to have even one seat lost. The end does justify the means.
“wichhick” whines –
“monkeyhawk, so what did you say?
What did you read, “wichhick?”
Have you forgotten it already?
“why can’t you simply give a short response as bluejay did to heckler reflecting what all you and bluejay know?”
Uhm, well…
For starters, I am not “BlueJay.” I’m not responsible for anything he posts. We have different styles, I guess, and my thoughtful posts get too complicated for you to keep track of.
You, “wichhick” alleged I “know everything.”
I bow to your prescient observation.
But you’re wrong.
I don’t know everything.
I don’t know what you’re talking about most of the time, for example.
Okay, “American_Way” –
I’ll bite.
Charlie Rangle has been instrumental in writing the tax code for more than a decade, now.
I have yet to be convinced (nor have any of George WMD Bush’s politically-driven US Attorneys) any of Rangle’s tax dodges are, y’know, illegal.
If you want me to take up a torch or pitchfork to protest against stuff that’s wrong but legal, count me in.
But your little cut-and-post from some wingnut website isn’t enough.
Try again.
monkey i guess as you would say ” the heartbreak of ADD”
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cosmos_originally
Posted January 8, 2009 at 1:15 am | Permalink
Regular,
Thank you for again proving that you are a troll, by again repeatedly LYING about what other posters have posted.
And thank you Regular, for again proving that you do not, and cannot understand climate science.
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I’m beginning to think that cosMo isn’t a real person but a product of the AGW computer model. It roams blogs through out the internet posting replies ad nauseum. If we ignore it maybe it will go away.
I can see it already, “donndulin, thnak you again for again proving that you do not, and cannot understand climate science.”
cosmos is what happens when one has too much MSG in their diet.
donndublin,
1) Compare my posts to what Regular (falsely) claims that I believe — Regular repeatedly LIES about what I have posted. Regular is a troll.
2) Compare Regular’s posts about climate science, to real climate science. Regular is CLUELESS about climate science.
http://www.ktvu.com/news/18434205/detail.html
Finally some coverage on the execution of a man by thug cops.
Execution.
Everyone ought to be out on the streets, unless you’re on of “them” (then I’d stay inside).
How bad is the economy when even walmart is declining?
#
Regular
Posted January 8, 2009 at 8:53 am | Permalink
cosmos is what happens when one has too much MSG in their diet.
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Or perhaps he has a computer virus.
“little cut-and-post from some wingnut website”
Monkeyhawk the info I did cut and paste did not come from a wingnut website. It came from places like the NY Times, and other media sources. I didn’t provide a link because I thought it was so commonly found, that anyone could look it up to verify the source or facts.
You got me there. I need to provide links w/posts regardless on if I think the facts are clear.
Obviously, for some bloggers, any negative information on a democrat, just cannot be factual, and therefore must have come from a wingnut source.
outlander,
Thank you for your educational “discussion” re Harold Ambler. His multiple falsehoods are excellent examples of why you people stupidly deny the solid science supporting AGW.
And it’s impressive how you and all the AGW deniers here failed to defend Ambler, except for ad hominems, and your false claim that “o” is converted to “0″.
Perhaps we can have another “discussion” in a couple of weeks, if Ambler responds to his being thoroughly debunked?
‘Huffington Post Blows It With Recycled Climate Skeptic Nonsense‘
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-roberts/huffington-post-blows-it_b_155696.html
HaroldAmbler: “Again, my full response will be a couple of weeks from now.”
donndublin,
I think some people reply to Cosmos, and thereby invoke his onliest interest just because…..
they can.
Oh, what a floundering article cosmos, from Dave Roberts that expert on Climate Science with a graduate degree in philosophy.
Yeah, nothing like being refuted by someone with a philosophy degree – it gives one pause…
“Will Laura and George W. Bush split after his term as president ends on the afternoon of Jan. 20?”
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It doesn’t matter much, but I think they will always be married and always be a couple without ever having to be together very much. It is to the advantage of both to have the other around when they choose.
Regular posted January 7, 2009 at 2:14 am
Too bad cosmos, you lose.
Both you and Ben stated that co2 is the same everywhere in the atmosphere. I just proved both of you wrong.
You narrowly minded think that some artificial measurement at some altitude represents the common co2 measurement everywhere around the earth. It does not.
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Regular does not, and cannot understand climate science.
Regular lies about what other posters believe.
Well-mixed atmospheric CO2 levels show seasonal variations, due to vegetation.
The variations are larger at Northern latitudes (more land), and have the opposite phase in the Antarctic region (opposite seasons).
cosmos posted April 2, 2008 at 1:52 pm
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/04/states-fed-up-with-epa-on-co2/#comment-324176
CO2 measured at Barrow, Mauna Loa, Samoa, and the South Pole. Except for different seasonal variations, the trends are very similar.
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/insitu.html
Monkeyhawk
Can you speak ‘word salad?” I haven’t ever seen any indication you hold this skill and it is not possible to maintain your campaign to not be a candidate for governor of our great state without the skills of word salad. I don’t think double speak will be adequate to quell the rising tide of support for you to continue to not be a candidate.
Well-mixed atmospheric CO2 levels show seasonal variations, due to vegetation.
So cosmos does admit there are distinct climate regions that have nothing to little to do with co2 levels.
There are also deserts cosmos, with lack of vegetation, yet another distinct climate region.
cosmos won’t admit he’s wrong about co2 levels in the atmosphere, even though levels varies widely depending on vegetation, soil and other influences.
cosmos is a rube when it comes to climate science.
Doesn’t look good for the Obama magic pill. The Bush pill didn’t work either. Maybe congress and the president would do more by doing less? Like stay home for year or two….
“The federal budget deficit already is projected to reach an unheard of $1.2 trillion this fiscal year, and President-elect Barack Obama’s economic stimulus package, under review by lawmakers, would only add to the deficit. It’s 8 percent of the GDP — even the big deficits of the ’80s and early ’90s didn’t approach that kind of percentage. ”
[that's before the Obama 800 billion to 1 trillion Stimulus Plan 2.0]
“In the end, Beijing is gonna become Obama’s banker,” said Peter Morici, a University of Maryland business professor.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/07/does-end-economists-warn-feeding-trillion-dollar-deficits/
“The Trouble With Eric Holder”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=405&topic_id=9608&mesg_id=9917
Regular posted January 8, 2009 at 9:45 am
Yeah, nothing like being refuted by someone with a philosophy degree – it gives one pause…
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Yes, a pause of a couple of weeks. . ..
Yes, someone with a philosophy degree” thoroughly debunked the falsehoods from a musician/boat rowing author.
And Regular’s scientific(sic) response is an ad hominem.
‘Huffington Post Blows It With Recycled Climate Skeptic Nonsense‘
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-roberts/huffington-post-blows-it_b_155696.html
HaroldAmbler: “Again, my full response will be a couple of weeks from now.”
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And that’s enough soup for the troll (Regular), for a while.
And apparently, “trickle up economics” works no better than the “trickle down” liberals love to hate:
“And Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Economy.com, said at an economic forum in Washington on Wednesday that the package should focus on spending since projects like infrastructure yield more “bang for the buck” than tax cuts.
Morici, though, said the last stimulus package in February, which was heavy with tax rebates, proved that sending spurts of money to individuals does little to stimulate the economy and does not even guarantee that the money will be spent inside the country.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/07/does-end-economists-warn-feeding-trillion-dollar-deficits/
So, despite the warnings, we will still see Stimulus 2.0 from Obama.
“Obama said Tuesday he anticipates “trillion-dollar deficits for years to come.” But even the cascade of economists calling for a big package say the country cannot sustain such deficits much longer.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/07/does-end-economists-warn-feeding-trillion-dollar-deficits/
Obama will spend it despite the warnings.
Cosmos there are stories all over the press about people who are looking at the evidence and have decided that GW is a fairy tale. The new Prez of the European Union is one who now is skeptical of GW.
You carry this Ambler person around like a dog with his favorite bone. No one cares. What about this don’t you understand. Everyone has an opinion about this. When you post something new and current I read it. When you post old links I don’t.
No wait a minute, Obama bounced:
“Obama, too, promised long-term fiscal discipline Wednesday”
Cannot have “fiscal discipline” and spend trillions when advised not to.
And Nancy makes no sense whatsoever:
“Pelosi stressed the need for “fiscal discipline and long-term economic prosperity” in a written statement reacting to the deficit projections from the Congressional Budget Office.”
WHEN THESE LEADERS DOUBLE-TALK, WE CAN EXPECT THE WORSE.
Well I used to talk about money trees, but I’m no professor:
George Mason University economics professor Walter Williams said he has little faith the deficits will be contracting anytime soon.
“Unless you believe in Santa Claus or the tooth fairy, you have to ask the question, ‘Where’s Congress going to get that money from?’” he said of the stimulus. “It’s like you have a swimming pool, and you try to increase the height of the shallow end by taking buckets out of the deep end. It’s foolhardy.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/07/does-end-economists-warn-feeding-trillion-dollar-deficits/
This will become a topic. More to follow.
“It’s like you have a swimming pool, and you try to increase the height of the shallow end by taking buckets out of the deep end. It’s foolhardy.”
Well we tried raising the tide in the deep end on the promise the shallow end would rise too.
We got lots of people left high and dry.
Let’s try raising the tide in the shallow end and see how the deep end makes out.
okobserver posted January 8, 2009 at 10:03 am
Cosmos there are stories all over the press about people who are looking at the evidence and have decided that GW is a fairy tale.
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LOL! okobserver believes that “the press” = scientific methodology.
And her “evidence” is probably some cold weather. Or a La Nina AND solar minimum year that was not warmer than a recent record hot El Nino year.
AGW deniers would be funny, if they were not so irresponsible, and pathetic.
“Because we don’t think about future generations, they will never forget us.” Henrik Tikkanen
Yet another post by cosmos on AGW platitudes and nose tweaking.
The below statement may be correct, if you divide the national debt by the total population. However, if you divide the national debt by the 50% of Americans actually paying federal taxes, the burden on the few remaining workers is much higher. Is it no wonder that those on the receiving end – are not concerned with deficit spending?
“The national debt already has topped $10 trillion — or $35,000 per person. And the bigger it gets, the more the country has to pay in interest every year.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/07/does-end-economists-warn-feeding-trillion-dollar-deficits/
Cosmos you poor foolish man. The press ‘reports’ news. They don’t make it up and give us a daily dose of ‘facts for the day’ unless there one of the far left rags who don’t know how to report news.
I’m afraid you have lost any credibility that you ever had on this blog. I don’t think you are stupid – I just think you are dense. Open your mind and let some air in.
A great debunking column, with supporting graphs and links.
‘Ambler Huffs and Puffs, but really he just blows>/b>‘
http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/ambler-huffs-and-puffs-but-mostly-he-just-blows/
there=they’re
for the proof readers in the crowd.
Cosmos I believe you posted that last one yesterday. Nothing new today huh?
“Let’s try raising the tide in the shallow end and see how the deep end makes out.”
Excellent example of partisan politics Bluejay.
Here economists were concerned about the whole swimming pool.
okobserver posted January 8, 2009 at 10:22 am
Cosmos you poor foolish man. The press ‘reports’ news.
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okobserver you poor foolish grandma. “News” does NOT = science.
Get your science from the peer-reviewed science journals, not the “press”.
okie,
I reposted it for you, because you complained about my Ambler posts.
cosmos is the result of a failed exorcism done on Al Gore. No demons were expelled and there is a constant mess of ‘pea soup’ on the furniture.
“And now, there is $300 million dollars from sources unknown [that has] been given to Al Gore to push a climate crisis rebranding campaign,” he adds. “And that’s what you’ll see in 2009, coordinating with an effort to impose what’s called a cap-and-trade rationing scheme.”
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=375526
Tiiii – iiiii — iiime
Is on my side
Yes it is.
BRRRRRRRRRRRR
Cosmos free your mind to think – take a deep breath – news is reported about events that take place – about things that are said by someone newsworthy – about subjects the greatest number of readers or listeners are interested in, etc…
Now when reporters ‘report’ the news they print or say something that reflects these events. You don’t have to be a climate scientist to write a ‘newsstory’ about the subject. You just incorporate in your stories the who, why, when, where and sometimes how.
“Get your science from the peer-reviewed science journals, not the “press”.
Hopefully Cosmos you realize the absurdity of what you just wrote. Idiot.
Isnt it funny that while bushco and the republican congress were exploding the deficits, these cons never said a mumblin’ word about it?
And now they worry about deficits?
HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA.
Stop. Yer killing me with laughter.
Horse. Barn. Closed door. You know the drill.
And in fact, no kidding, darth cheney and another wingnut were on the talk shows on Sunday saying that we should look at more regulation and restriction on presidential power. No kidding. Video of it was posted at Crooks and Liars yesterday.
And as the blogger there noted, he figured these guys NOW would be crazy about the unitary executive not so much. And be saying deficits dont matter, uh, not so much.
Hypocrisy, thy name is…..
The only thing more stunning than their stupidity is their utter and unabashed lying ability.
I wonder if the voters may have realized that in the last two elections?
Isnt it funny that while bushco and the republican congress were exploding the deficits, these cons never said a mumblin’ word about it?
I beg to differ. I am a deeply fiscal conservative and have bitc hed about the spending quite often. Same with the overblown powers of the executive branch and lack of following the constitution.
(Slaps Farmie in the face with a white cotton glove) I challenge thee for tarnishing my honor.
Oops. It wasnt that video. It was in WaPo and the NYT. From Crooks and Liars.
“However, you still can’t make up this garbage that appeared in the NY Times.
No one could have predicted this would happen. John Yoo and John Bolton, in the NY Times, discuss the need to limit executive authority. Up next, David Addington and Dick Cheney write in the Washington Post on the need to reject Unitary Executive theory. I knew these wankers would do this, I just didn’t expect it immediately and so brazenly.”
Sorry Sol. I just dont think of you as a con, but I guess you are if you say you are.
:(
SolDevVB,
I disagree with Farmie too, but didn’t want to interrupt her standard tirade of arms flapping wildly…..
Anyone who knows my posts – knows that I’ve attacked both sides of the aisle on deficit spending and the national debt. Any bone dig would support me.
Perhaps she hysterical outburst is referring to some other non-liberal poster.
Socially liberal, fiscally conservative. Does this mean we aren’t going outside to duel with those really cool flint lock guns? I figured I had a real advantage since you oppose killing anyone. But then again, I couldn’t pull the trigger on you either. Guess we’d just be standing out there looking really silly ;~>
Sol,
I’m borrowing a few of your words (please!), because they fit me well.
I am a deeply fiscally conservative liberal and have bitc hed about the spending quite often. Same with the overblown powers of the executive branch and lack of following the constitution.
Aren’t most people more fiscally conservative than Congress? I know for sure most people are more fiscally conservative than the current idiot in charge who never used his veto power while his party was in control.
The usual anti-Al Gore ad hominem posts at 10:28 and 10:33 am.
And okobserver insists that a “newsstory” is more scientifically credible than all of the science papers at the end of the chapters here,
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
Plus all of the AGW science papers done in the years since those.
Give all of your children and grandchildren letters saying that, okobserver. Tell them you believe a “newsstory” voids decades of very intense scientific research.
Your family will laugh at that, for many generations into the future.
“$300 million dollars from sources unknown”
Sol, I heard they are getting the money from a proposed new Dairy Cow Carbon tax. $175 per cow.
I read it somewhere. Google it.
I can’t make this stuff up.
“The number of people continuing to claim jobless benefits jumped unexpectedly by 101,000 to 4.61 million. That was above analysts’ expectations of 4.5 million…”
That’s weird. Usually they are spot on.
Not just dairy cows, all livestock. Cows just got the first hit.
Why do AGW alarmists hate farmers? They h8 the world as prices will soon escalate as farmers pass as much of the tax burden on to consumers as demand will allow.
AGW alarmist just seem to h8 on everyone :~<
“Aren’t most people more fiscally conservative than Congress”
The answer is no.
“Total bankcard debt per bankcard borrower” is $5,710. This was alternatively described as the total balance of bank-issued credit cards per consumer. (Source: TransUnion, December 2008)
55 percent of credit card users keep a balance on their credit card, up 2 percent from 2007. (Source: ComScore, September 2008)
The average American with a credit file is responsible for $16,635 in debt, excluding mortages, according to Experian. (Source: U.S. News and World Report, “The End of Credit Card Consumerism,” August 2008)
76 percent of undergraduates have credit cards, and the average undergrad has $2,200 in credit card debt. Additionally, they will amass almost $20,000 in student debt. (Source: Nellie Mae, “Undergraduate Students and Credit Cards in 2004: An Analysis of Usage Rates and Trends.”)
Average credit card debt among indebted young adults increased by 55 percent between 1992 and 2001, to $4,088. (Source: “Generation Broke: Growth of Debt Among Young Americans”)
The average credit card indebted young adult household now spends nearly 24 percent of its income on debt payments, four percentage points more, on average, than young adults did in 1992. (Source: “Generation Broke: Growth of Debt Among Young Americans”)
Among the 35 percent of college students with credit cards that do not pay their balances in full every month, the average balance is $452. This is down 19 percent from 2007. Moreover, this balance is approximately one-third the size of the average balance for active nonstudent young adult accounts and one-fourth the size of active accounts for older adults. (Source: Student Monitor annual financial services study, 2008)
Approximately 74.9 percent of the U.S. families surveyed in 2004 had credit cards, and 58 percent of those families carried a balance. In 2001, 76.2 percent of families had creditcards, and 55 percent of those families carried a balance. (Source: Federal Reserve Bulletin, February 2006.)
http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/credit-card-industry-facts-personal-debt-statistics-1276.php
This does not include other consumer debt:
debit cards
store charge cards
auto loans
home loans
home equity loans
motorcycle loans
RV loans
“It’s hard not to be worried when confronted with numbers such as these:
About 43% of American families spend more than they earn each year.
Average households carry some $8,000 in credit card debt.
Personal bankruptcies have doubled in the past decade.
Consumers owe nearly $2 trillion
American consumers owed a grand total of $1.9773 trillion in October 2003, according to the latest statistics on consumer credit from the Federal Reserve. Thats about $18,654 per household, a figure that doesnt include mortgage debt. The number is up more than 41% from the $1.3999 trillion consumers owed in 1998.”
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/SavingandDebt/P70581.asp
I said, “who never used his veto power while his party was in control.” That is not true. I should have said he didn’t veto any spending bill when his party was in control. Sorry for the error.
Here is what is true:
As of December 2008, President George W. Bush had vetoed only 12 bills since taking office in January 2001. Only one Presidential veto occurred before Democrats took control of Congress in January 2007. This is the fewest Presidential vetoes of any modern President; in March 2006 Bush set a 200-year veto record. Source: US Senate.
1. Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2005
H.R. 810.
To amend the Public Health Service Act to provide for human embryonic stem cell research.
Veto Date: 19 July 2006
This was President Bush’s first veto since taking office in January 2001.
for the other 11 vetos, see:
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/electionissues/tp/Bush-Vetos.htm
…and a little more evidence for you wacked out supply siders that a decrease in DEMAND is what resulted in the price of oil going down.
http://www.kansas.com/business/updates/story/655523.html
These homes are rightly priced.
Until America wakes up to the fact that EVERYONE’s home is still overpriced, and you cannot artifically hold that price, young Americans will be priced out of the market. Homeownership is just a dream.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/08/real_estate/thousand_dollar_homes/index.htm?postversion=2009010806
“…and a little more evidence for you wacked out supply siders that a decrease in DEMAND is what resulted in the price of oil going down.”
Am I the only one a little puzzled by that statement?
What’s your point KFG?
SolDevVB posted January 8, 2009 at 10:33 am
From link:
But Horner contends that global-warming alarmists are finding it difficult to switch their hysteria back to global cooling, so they created the so-called “climate change” crisis.
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SolDevVB,
Why are you posting that the term “climate change”, created three decades ago, was created this year?
Is Chris Horner, an attorney, living three decades in the past?
‘Ambler Huffs and Puffs, but really he just blows‘
http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/ambler-huffs-and-puffs-but-mostly-he-just-blows/
“The term “climate change” was coined in 1979 and is used by science to describe dramatic and often sudden shifts in climate. ”
http://global-warming.accuweather.com/2008/12/a_history_of_names_1.html
Are you reading impaired heckie? Did you bother to read the link? Supply siders said the answer to high oil prices was increasing supply a la “drill here, drill now”.
From the link, it was a drop in demand that has caused prices to fall. The “drill here, drill now” craze did not produce this drop in prices.
From the link:
“DENVER – Crude prices fell again Thursday on more evidence that the global economy is under strain and that energy demand for energy will fall further.
Light, sweet crude for February delivery fell 3 percent, or $1.32 cents to $41.31 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange.
That consumers and businesses have slashed spending on energy was buttressed again Thursday in the latest natural gas inventory report from the Energy Department’s Energy Information Administration.”
There are none so blind as those who refuse to see….
“I am a deeply fiscally conservative liberal and have bitc hed about the spending quite often. ”
I mean no disrespect, but maybe the meaning of being “fically conservative” (and deeply so) has changed. But to me, being a liberal, and being concerned with being “socially” conservative is opposite of being fiscally conservative.
I find your post troubling because it shakes the foundations of my core beliefs – that a liberal truly can be fiscally conservative (and deeply so).
I know during the Clinton Era, it became popular for democrats to start calling for conservatism. Partially, this was a Clinton reaction to that he had to deal with the republican congress – and act conservatively.
But I cannot reconcile being fiscally conservative, but at the same time support new big government and big government spending programs – a revenue sources.
Before anyone jumps me – I have posted many times my dissatisfaction with the republican party and their free spending ways too. (e.g. look at Jim Ryun threads/Brownback Bush 800 bailout threads for starters).
Neither party represents me. Neither party is truly – TRULY “fiscally conservative”.
There are a number of conservative websites I frequent, and I think most are not democrats.
So, here is a definition from a “neutral” site?
Modern fiscal conservatism
Modern fiscal conservatives remain wary of government spending. They believe strongly in free trade and are committed to lowering the federal budget, paying off national debt, and acquiring a balanced budget. Where fiscal conservatism gets more diverse in ideals is what steps should be taken to balance the budget. Deficit hawks are more willing to increase taxes in addition to cutting spending to balance the budget than libertarians, who want to “starve the beast” by cutting taxes for the purpose of decreasing tax revenue which they hope will cause the government to spend less, and supply-siders, who believe the best way to gain tax revenue is through deep across-the-board tax cuts that they believe will end up completely paying for themselves through the economic growth they cause.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_conservatism
“a revenue sources”
Should read “absent revenue sources”.
“Supply siders said the answer to high oil prices was increasing supply a la “drill here, drill now”.
From the link, it was a drop in demand that has caused prices to fall. The “drill here, drill now” craze did not produce this drop in prices.”
Jesus KFG it works both ways. What’s the big mystery? Increase supply or decrease demand, prices go down. Increase demand and decrease supply, prices go up.
Demand has gone down. So?
But guess what? Supply is up as well. It’s not a “one or the other” situation. Look up the rig count for North America. There’s a lot of new oil supply coming on line. Has been for 2 years now.
After all that has transpired (which was ranted about by me over the past few years) will you folks still not accept that 9-11 was an inside job?
Will you not understand that the economy’s collapse was planned or that 9-11 made us all agree to a police state that will come back to haunt you (once you’re mad as Hell because you’ve lost all of your pensions, 401K’s, cd’s and bank accounts)?
Is it that hard to grasp? I don’t want it to be true, but it is. And we’ll keep getting the fart taxes and the tyranny will get harsher and harsher until we tell them to fu ck themselves and do what we’re supposed to do as American’s. And I don’t mean waving some stupid Chinese slave made flag.
Joe Biden, Dick Cheney…one in the same.
Let me tighten my tin foil helmet.
Norman Mattoon Thomas (November 20, 1884 – December 19, 1968) was a leading American socialist, pacifist, and sixtime presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America.
The Socialist Party candidate for President of the US, Norman Thomas, said this in a 1944 speech:
“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of “liberalism,” they will adopt every fragment of the
socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation,
without knowing how it happened.” He went on to say: “I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democrat Party has adopted our platform.
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History has made him a very prophetic man.
Well heckie, that’s not what the article says, now is it? It says inventory increased because of a drop in demand.
Post your evidence thatincreased supply caused the price to fall. You are the one who made that claim.
Why do cons not understand that the person making the assertion is the one who needs to prove it, not the other way around?
As you stated, American_Way, neither party is fiscally conservative.
And neither party fits the definitions of not too many years ago. But they are still the two parties we choose our elected representatives from most of the time. This doesn’t necessarily make me happy, I’m just recognizing it.
Each of us chooses the one closest to our own political philosophy.
I would prefer my tax money be spent on people over big business. Both parties take our money and give it away, the only difference I see is where they spend it, who they give it to.
I was a Goldwater girl. And, I didn’t leave my party, it left me.
I will not participate in legislating morals, nor allowing our country to become a theocracy and that is where I see the Republican Party headed.
You won’t find many people more fiscally conservative than I am. Wasn’t it you recently espousing the great charity of conservatives? I’m sorry if I’ve remembered inaccurately.
Socialization of the finance market and now the auto market? Sounds to me like the GOP got things kicked off rather well down the socialist trail. Said it before, I’ll say it again –
Union of
Socialist
America
Here’s a little help heckie.
Note midpage the crude oil production trend graph.
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/twip/twip_crude.html
Sol you are absolutely right. Unfortunately both parties have now adopted the socialists principles.
“I would prefer my tax money be spent on people over big business. Both parties take our money and give it away, the only difference I see is where they spend it, who they give it to.”
What could be more socialistic than this statement. At least businesses will produce jobs that will help people to take care of themselves if they are so motivated. By handing money to the ‘people’ you are just creating a new slave class.
Heckie, did you even notice the title of the article I linked?
“More evidence of waning demand sinks crude prices”
“Sol you are absolutely right. Unfortunately both parties have now adopted the socialists principles.”
No, the cons have just nearly perfected the art of getting the rich richer while raising the debt almost high enough to protest against the government being able to do ….anything.
At least businesses will produce jobs
That is socialist as well. Let the businesses earn their own money. Let business and people keep more of what they earned. Pretty simple.
SolDevVB,
Why do you use an attorney for science information?
Do you ask scientists for legal advice?
Business of a few short years ago and BIG business of today are two totally different and diverse entities.
Remember when business used to value their employees? Maybe the smaller ones still do, or really want to, but it’s tougher today.
BIG military industrial, BIG pharma, BIG insurance, BIG banking, BIG business cares about nothing but profit for the few. They certainly don’t care about the people or the jobs.
KFG
“Post your evidence thatincreased supply caused the price to fall”
No, I didn’t. Go back and read.
And I’m not questioning that lower demand hasnt been a force in reducing prices. It has.
I don’t understand what this has to do with “supply side” economics. (that is what you were refering to by using the phrase “supply siders” is it not?)
It’s just basic capitalism at work. It’s actually a refutation of all the Big Government types who scream that the government needs to get involved and create restrictions that force people to use less energy to get the prices down. People didn’t like the price, they used less, prices went down. Capitalism at work. shazzaaam.
“Remember when business used to value their employees? ”
By and large, this was dead long before MY time. There are rare exceptions.
Big business pays for the government of deregulation all the while screaming about government being ineffective and wasteful. Government not functioning is what they count on.
Sol if you have read anything I have written here you will know I was against the bank bailouts and the auto bailouts. I encouraged others to let their congressmen and senators know their feelings.
I think the automakers have to deal with their creditors as well as their unions to come up with a credible plan to succeed. As a business owner on a much smaller scale I know this has to happen.
I simply meant that if we are going to be handing out tax dollars at least give it to someone that can produce jobs.
BRILLIANTLY documented in the works of Thomas Frank linda.
Yes, Thomas Frank documents well how BIG business has bought and paid for the rights to be abusive with our money. We have greater possibility for functioning government now than we’ve had in awhile. We’ll see. ;-) I will remain optimistic and complain if disappointed. It will take awhile — we’re in a deeper whole than we’ve ever been in before.
Sarkozy, Merkel, Blair call for new capitalism
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090108/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_france_new_capitalism
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A very interesting article on the state of the economy around the globe. When we start thinking that Bush is to blame for the current economic woes it is educational to see what the rest of the world is doing and what they are proposing to cure it.
Even when I thought I was a conservative, I never could latch onto the idea of government as some sort of enemy.
Government is (or is supposed to be) of, by, and for the people where the strong are just and the weak secure and the peace preserved.
Why would I ever look on such a thing as anything but good? Also, we can elect government or throw them out. Little else can be done to address social and economic justice.
I have a’gadget’ called Quote of the Day on my igoogle page. One of today’s quotes is:
If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to.
– Dorothy Parker
I have no idea who Dorothy Parker is (or any desire to look her up), but her quote made me chuckle.
ANY UP FOR “DIAGRAM WORK”?
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ksfarmgrrl
Posted January 8, 2009 at 12:06 pm | Permalink
Seems like an educated person could diagram these two sentences and understand their meaning.
“More votes coming from precincts than registered voters. And from those that ‘found’ votes for the the little rat Democrat Al Franken.”
Hell, I learned to diagram sentences when I was in the seventh grade.
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donndublin
Posted January 8, 2009 at 12:18 pm | Permalink
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Boxlock20
Posted January 7, 2009 at 9:30 pm | Permalink
“Who’s the idiot? MORE VOTES FOR FRANKEN THAN IT HAD REGISTERED VOTERS???????? You’re an ASS to ASSume Franken got ALL the votes in a precinct. Box never made that claim and neither did Amway.”—donndublin
Thank you donndublin, and AmWay as well, for filling in beating back the ‘vulgar jackal, er excuse me…chicken farmer, while I’ve been away from here.
You are of course correct, I never said or implied what the chicken farmer says I said, but what’s new.
Like I said up thread, I really think the girl is SICK, mentally and morally and intellectually. Maybe, even as detestable as she can be, we need to start handling her with kid gloves, because of her deficit. She just can’t keep up.
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I think your diagram is warped. Since when do you know more than what someone thinks than they do?
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ksfarmgrrl
Posted January 8, 2009 at 12:21 pm | Permalink
That may not be what bigotbawks meant, but’s damn sure what was said.
Show your diagram work if you think otherwise.
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cosmos_originally
Posted January 8, 2009 at 12:23 pm | Permalink
SolDevVB,
Why do you use an attorney for science information?
Do you ask scientists for legal advice?
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Algore is an attorney. Why do you get your science from him cosMo?
“Even when I thought I was a conservative, I never could latch onto the idea of government as some sort of enemy.”
Most people realize that government no longer works as it should, but aren’t willing to ‘throw the baby out with the bath water.’ Functioning government is a possibility again (I hope!).
Obama tax plan runs into opposition in Senate
Jan 8 01:51 PM US/Eastern
By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER
Associated Press Writer 36 Comments
WASHINGTON (AP) – President-elect Barack Obama’s proposed tax cuts are running into opposition from senators in his own party who say they won’t do much to stimulate the economy or create jobs.
Senators from both parties agreed that Congress should do something to stimulate the economy. But senators emerging from a private meeting of the Senate Finance Committee on Thursday said that tax portion of Obama’s stimulus plan is unworkable.
They were especially critical of a proposed $3,000 tax credit for companies that hire or retrain workers. Democratic Sen. Kent Conrad of North Dakota described it as “misdirected.”
The cost of the economic rescue package Obama wants is expected to swell to more than $800 billion or more. About $300 billion of that would be tax cuts or refunds for individuals and businesses.
Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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Maybe there is hope for our nation afterall.
Heckler
I think I know the problem. Those evil people wanting to drill for more oil, and pollute mother earth are ONLY supply side economists.
Those evil people certainly cannot still realize there are two sides to the SUPPLY and DEMAND model.
It’s as if she believes it’s like a math and because the person is evil they don’t believe in minus. Only plus.
Like only one side of the equation is what people believe in – therefore they do not believe in the other side.
Make sense because it doesn’t?
Linda you should read the article I posted about the world wide econmic picture. You surely aren’t naive enough to think Bush did all of that.
I know you won’t respond to me and I understand it might call for you to use logic you might not have but for your own sake and reputation you need to widen your horizons,.
say they won’t do much to stimulate the economy
This is not the job of the government. Not picking on you OKOB, you have the posts worth responding to.
“Remember when business used to value their employees?”
When was that? Coal miners and autoworkers formed labor reasons – why? Because they were “valued”?
I don’t think so.
labor unions. They are the result of employers “business” seemingly having a failure to “value” employees. Sweat shops ring any bells?
Farmie,
With the oil companies – banging did you say? – your property, are now a “Drill Here Drill Now”er?
A place us ‘fellas’ have all been.
http://www.bestviral.com/video/19188/beware_of_the_doghouse_hilarious
Amway
Thanks. I guess that’s where KFG’s coming from.
Conservatives giving of their OWN money is not a conflict of interest in their belief that government should NOT be handing out money.
In fact, it’s a confirmation.
Obama taps spending watchdog, eyes Social Security
By JENNIFER LOVEN
(AP) President-elect Barack Obama gestures during a news conference at his transition office in…
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WASHINGTON (AP) – Pointing with concern to “red ink as far as the eye can see,” President-elect Barack Obama pledged Wednesday to tackle out-of-control Social Security and Medicare spending and named a special watchdog to clamp down on other federal programs – even as he campaigned anew to spend the largest pile of taxpayer money in history to revive the sinking economy.
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Well his reelection bid is already going downhill. If he turns the seniors against him early – watch out.
Even before taking office he is targeting them. Whoops!
Amway, you are insane.
When some of us here were saying that decreasing demand was a quicker way to lower oil prices, the “drill here, drill now” crowd whiiiiiined for days that the ONLY way to lower prices was to drill baby drill. They accused us of wanting to go back to living in caves, and that we were just environmental nazi’s for pointing out that it would take YEARS for increased supply to outstrip demand. That WE were insane for saying the cheapest and quickest oil we could find was the oil we conserved.
Thanks for parroting those arguments. Again.
As noted, by all the links I’ve posted on the subject today, that rapidly declining demand lowered the price of crude before the new production off shore or on public land ever reached the refineries.
Revisionist history. Again. How conveeeeeenient for cons to forget what they said when it proved to be wrong.
“lindainks55″ –
Please look up Dorothy Parker.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Parker
And make an effort to see Jennifer Jason Leigh in “Mrs. Parker and the Vicious Circle.” Besides being one of the most gifted actresses of her generation, JJL gives you about a zillion Dorothy Parker quotes.
“Even when I thought I was a conservative, I never could latch onto the idea of government as some sort of enemy.”
I consider myself a very conservative person. But I do not look on the government as the enemy. Government is needed to take care of very basic functions – most of which are constitutional. Of course we need the military, and yes CapnAmerica I realize we need fire, police, and roads (addressed to Capn because you had to be there at the time).
Fiscal Conservatives do not think the government is the enemy. IMHO people ‘using’ government to promote their social programs are the enemy. Social programs do include bank bailouts to CEO’s, rich corporate farmers, the arts, corporate welfare, as well as permanently providing welfare socially (example the Unearned Income Credit). But it also includes the overpaid military contractors, NASA rocket builders, etc..
I am consistently a tightwad. But I know I am deeply fiscally conservative.
The esteemed and erudite Blue Jay knows that the only thing wrong with this country is the CONS.
You all know who the CONS are. In case you don’t, it’s very easy to figure it out. They are the people that Blue Jay and I have deemed as CONS.
But Blue Jay and I need your help to win the waging the battle against the CONS. CONS represent everything that is bad. If you are not with us you’re agin us. And we are the good guys (hint: CONS are the bad guys).
Please submit your list of suspected CONs to the be included in the little black book of CON names.
The future or America is at stake.
Good luck with that Farmgrrl. Siesmic work is a good sign in regards to exploration. May you be sitting on a high!
Amway does not speak for me, heckie. I’ve been abundantly clear on what I think.
And sol, they are doing seismic exploration. The last seismic work here was done over 25 years ago. I never said they would drill on my ground, just that they were exploring the geophysics of it all.
And, the last I checked, my ground wasnt off shore or on public land and it isnt any more environmentally sensitive than any other prairie land out here. This part of the state has a looong history of oil production. The drilling and exploration around here are nothing new. Oil production in Trego county has been going on for years, since the twenties and thirties.
I havent changed my position on a damn thing, no matter how the wingnuts spin it.
“Good luck with that Farmgrrl. Siesmic work is a good sign in regards to exploration. May you be sitting on a high!”
Thanks Davos. I’m not overly optimistic, and I’m not spending the money just yet. Three of the four wells they drilled on this project have been dry. But they wouldnt be spending the money on seismic work if they didnt think something was here.
It was enough hope to warrant a cheeseburger in town yesterday!
The senate has become a forum of trading favors, lining your pockets with lobbyist money and taking kick backs from constituent’s business. Until we can clean up the senate, and to a lesser degree congress, and reign in the executive branch, all is for naught. Take back our government.
KFG
“that the ONLY way to lower prices was to drill baby drill. ”
I believe you are mischaracterizing the debate.
The Drill Here Drill Now crowd is not and never was against reducing demand. We WERE against government intervention in the form of regulations and taxes that FORCED people to use less energy. Let the free market take care of supply/demand.
And look what happened.
Well they must had some good tests on those dry holes to keep them going. Sometimes they have to deliniate a bunch before they hit. The Siesmic should take care of that. You are right no one spends $$$ on siesmic for nothing. lol
“some of us here were saying that decreasing demand was a quicker way to lower oil prices, the “drill here, drill now” crowd whiiiiiined for days that the ONLY way to lower prices was to drill baby drill. ”
I’m not sure I saw anyone posting that drilling was the ONLY way to lower prices. But it surely would increase supply.
ONLY is a pretty strong word. Of course, if you decrease demand – you “may” lower prices (trying to assume that as the only market pressure for case of argument).
But the tools to decrease demand (the other side of the supply/demand equation) are not quickly available as a solution either. [my example on those threads was congress enacting EPA standards of only 35 mpg and not until 2022 - no incentive to buy or build fuel efficient cars.]
If we can attack the problem with reason, from both sides:
1. Drill to increase supply/find new sources
2. Become more fuel efficient
I believe the disagrement you are remembering was, from my perspective – that the greenies are unwilling to work both sides of the equation.
Not than pro drillers are not green. (I still drive a 2003 Civic Hybrid as I’ve also posted numerous times).
But the market is fickle. There are market forces IMHO somehow manipulating the futures cost, to ensure we all pay the same. Wars and rumors of wars affect confidence and prices. So does exploration for new sources and new drillings – even before they happen. But I digress.
In short, you labeled many, for the possible postings of a few. Not unusual. I do it with YOU LIBS often.
Oh for crying out loud heckie. You are being the most revisionist of all. There were days of threads and posts where the supply siders just scoffed at the idea that reducing demand was a good thing. Maybe you didnt, but dont revise history to say that wasnt what went on.
Does the name paul rossell mean anything to you? Max? hello?
Spin it however you like. Anyone who reads here knows how it went.
“labor unions. They are the result of employers “business” seemingly having a failure to “value” employees. Sweat shops ring any bells?” — American_Way
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I’m bemused about labor unions. Everything I say will sound as confused and conflicted as my thoughts on the subject. I’ve never been a member of a union, neither has my hubby, and I never worked for a company represented by a union. I have no first-hand experience! And, of course, between where we are today and the sweat farms you mention, a lot has changed! Unions used to provide the protection that employment laws do today.
But, as government is want to do, they may have gone overboard on those laws and therefore unions may serve the purpose of finding the compromise of protection and representation.
Labor unions have also become part of the BIG business I think is a problem.
Money. It really might be the root of all evils.
Money. It really might be the root of all evils.
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If not the root it is definitely the stem.
It is hard to live with out it though.
“I believe the disagrement you are remembering was, from my perspective – that the greenies are unwilling to work both sides of the equation.”
revisionist. again.
The cons here were RAGING about how reducing demand was not the answer. I dont remember any “greenies”, as you so scoffingly call us, saying we shouldnt increase production. But as has been proven, drilling in insanely sensitive areas wasnt necessary to lower price.
When it comes to your revisionist history of what the wingnut supply siders were saying, well, whatever it takes to get you through the night.
Like I said, regular readers here know what was said. Your spins to moderate not withstanding.
KFG
“There were days of threads and posts where the supply siders just scoffed at the idea that reducing demand was a good thing.”
I must have missed those. I’ll take your word for it.
Good luck to you with the exploration Farmie. If they find crude, are you going to move to ‘beverly’ and get a SEEEment pond?
I also remember the “greenies” i.e. sane people, noting that even if US production was increased, it would be put on the world market and wouldnt benefit the global price of oil anymore than say, increased production in Canada or the Mideast.
I also remember us saying that the oil industry here would have to be nationalized for the benefits of this marginal drilling to benefit the US first!
But then, it was all about the mcsame campaign, not about logic, science, or quantifiable economic research.
Labor unions have also become part of the BIG business I think is a problem.
Money. It really might be the root of all evils.
I totally agree. And just think: Our federal government is helping the big business with bailouts and loans.
donndublin posted January 8, 2009 at 12:38 pm
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cosmos_originally
Posted January 8, 2009 at 12:23 pm | Permalink
SolDevVB,
Why do you use an attorney for science information?
Do you ask scientists for legal advice?
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Algore is an attorney. Why do you get your science from him cosMo?
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I do not get my science from Al Gore. I get my science from scientists. . . and so does Al Gore.
Why does donndublin LIE about me, and use Al Gore as an obvious ’strawman’? Because donndublin cannot refute AGW science.
And because donndublin is a troll.
Nope Sol. I’m currently living a great life. The life I always wanted. I see no reason to change. I might drive a newer truck and put siding on some of my buildings, but I love my life the way it is.
“And because donndublin is a troll.”
heh, boy did you get THAT one right!
The life I always wanted. I see no reason to change.
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We should all be so lucky! Good for you.
I’m workin’ on the same myself.
Congrats Farmie. Not many folks can say that. Including me.
KFG
” I dont remember any “greenies”, as you so scoffingly call us, saying we shouldnt increase production”
I think that there are 2 distinct camps in the “don’t drill more” coalition.
You have the AFW weenies who will oppose additional drilling for any reason. From their point of veiw we must reduce carbon emissions to “save” the planet from global warming. They actually CHEERED the high prices.
Then you had those (such as you IIRC) who buy into the notion that drilling more CANT fix the problem, we must all use less energy and if it takes government action to force us to use less well that’s just peachy.
Okay – I’ve been away from the ‘puter for the last four days, so I can see that there was evidently a temporary censor befouling this Blog. Speaking of befouling, I’m gonna break my offerings today into two posts. ‘Cause I don’t want the stench and waste of the next one to permeate this one.
Beber – I loved Valkyrie. Yes, it’s true that L. Ron Hubbard’s chief acolyte is not an actor on a par with Sean Penn, Marlon Brando and/or Robert Downey, Jr. That being said, he did a creditable job.
I think all those snooty N.Y. Times critics ought to mindmeld with Goebbels’s rotting prostate – just to bring ‘em down a notch or two. This film was rather important, methinks, because it portrayed an unalloyed evil that must never come again.
To see all those Nazi sycophants all but baring their b-cheeks whenever “their Fuhrer” approached was an exercise in horror.
So, I believe the film was instructive. I enjoyed it very much; the performances were uniformly very good. Bill Nighy, so hilarious as a washed-up rock gawd in “Love, Actually” stepped way out of character here – and shone.
As I said, Cruise was somewhat miscast, but frankly I didn’t give a schweinund’s swastika. Kudos to everyone involved for bringing this film to fruition.
Okay, now for my second post. Oh, wait – I gotta puke first. Give me a second. Oh-h-h-h-h-h-h, n-o-o-o-o-o-o-. G-A-A-A-A-G ME!!!!!
“Please look up Dorothy Parker.” — Monkeyhawk
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Damn. Just the wiki article got me fascinated. Just what I needed — something else to keep me sitting here at this machine. ;-) Ginger, my canine friend, and I are off to the park first. Her big brown pleading eyes cannot be ignored! And she and I help keep one another active.
Ideology
Fiscal conservatism of today is most closely associated with Reaganomics, named after President Ronald Reagan, who, after taking office in 1981, cut income taxes, deregulated the economy and attempted to reign in spending all to reduce the size of government. Increased military spending trumped Reagan’s effort to introduce supply-side economics, however, and by 1989, the national debt had actually increased under his watch.
Modern fiscal conservatives remain weary of government spending and are often more Libertarian than Republican. They advocate lowering the federal budget, paying off the national debt and withdrawing military forces from overseas in an effort to curtail military spending.
Although fiscal conservatives of today remain pro-business, they are hesitant to increase spending as a way to spur the economy. They believe the best way to promote a healthy economy is to cut taxes, reduce government waste and curtail frivilous federal programs. They believe social services should be funded with money from philanthropists and advocate tax breaks for those who contribute to worthy charitable organizations.
Criticisms
There are many critics of fiscal conservatives. Most notable among these are liberal politicians who believe the primary responsiblity of US government is to use tax money to regulate the economy and provide social services.
Political Relevance
While fiscal conservatism has become a buzzword in Washington, DC, much of the Republican base remains committed to its ideals. Unfortunately for its proponents, many who claim to be fiscal conservatives have turned out to be exactly the opposite.
Fiscal conservatism has little to do with social or “wedge” issues, and it is therefore not uncommon to hear social conservatives, paleoconservatives or even Democrats refer to themselves as fiscal conservatives as well. As blasphemous as some Republicans may find them, the cold hard facts are that President Bill Clinton spent less money than even Ronald Reagan, when adjusting for inflation and removing the military budget from the equation.
Clinton, however, has been the exception — not the rule. By and large, most Democrats still believe in paying for outcomes by using public money, and their records prove it.
http://usconservatives.about.com/od/typesofconservatives/a/FiscalCons.htm
I’ve had too much time on my hands lately, so I’ve been watchin’ too much telly.
And this week the bewb tewb was befouled something FIERCE.
Yesterday, I was makeup-ing in my bathroom, trying to concentrate on turning the clock back about 100 years on Mother’s menopausal nature and all that
s–t.
I had the “Today” show blaring forth – and soon I heard an all-too-familiar voice. And I beheld an all-too-viperlike face. Yes, yes, Rush Limbaugh’s fave-rave wet dream, Ann Coulter, was dumbing down the surroundings. Matt Lauer wasn’t exactly enamored. (Nor was CBS’s Charles Gibson a day earlier…..)
And neither was Big Bertha here.
Now, I’m proud of a few things in my long, long life – and gender clarity is right there at the apex. But listenin’ to this ragin’ rattlesnake elicits some very, very bad things. Poke-Salad-Annie just makes me wanna:
1) Make vertical pee-pee my favest daytime
pastime.
2) Leave all the toothpaste caps off so’s
the contents are as acrid as Annie’s blocked
pudenda.
3) Refrain from calling even when I say I’m
gonna call.
4) Fart and/or belch in farfisa. And……
4) Go back in time to November 1974, prey on
nubile virgins, drive 100 mph to the darkness
on the edge of town, and knock ‘em up with
panache – and redundancy. And git off scot-
f—ed-up free.
Not only that, but the thigh-baring monster even compels me to assume the identity of something no heterosexual woman should ever assume. I’m putting myself in the place of the last sap who hopped onto this monstrosity and suffered greviously for his idiocy:
“Hello, Master! This is your Little Buddy checking in for the day. You know, we’ve both been pure for so many years now that I just have to thank you profusely. You’ve taught me how to avoid talking (or conjugating) with a liberal lest I grow warts all over myself! You’ve shown me how it’s possible to have absolutely no compassion for 9/11 widows – and suffer no guilt because of it! You’ve ordered me to contort myself into a little, bittie fetal position every time I see two black boots, a thigh-sky-high miniskirt, and the ugliest face I’ve seen this side of Shelley Shannon! You’ve just been SO good to me – and I appreciate it!”
“Oh, wait – what are you doing? Where am I going? Oh, you’re just letting me see the light of day for once – that’s okay! I’m sure I can handle it! Free to be – you and me! That’s my motto…………
A-A-A-A-A-A-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-H! What are you doing to me? It’s ugly! It’s got barbed wire all around it! It’s gonna ruin me! My innocence is besmirched! Why is this happening! I don’t care if she’s paying you – or keeping you tied up in the basement! I don’t like it! Set me free! Get me out of here!
Oh dear – I’m afraid Coultergeist doesn’t elicit my better qualities. Why doesn’t someone just shut this broad up? Why do the networks keep having her on their respectable shows?
Oh, the mysteries of life. Someone ought to write a punk-rock song about all this shee-yit. ‘Cause I’m at a loss……
“Felver expects light snow this weekend and throughout next week, but not much accumulation.
The high today could reach 28 degrees, before temperatures turn decidedly colder.
Daily high temperatures will stay below 20 degrees next week, he said. Tuesday and Wednesday will have highs around 10 degrees, and temperatures could reach the teens by Thursday.
“This should be the coldest of the winter so far,” Felver said.
the above is not your local forecast, but mine.
Evidently her jaw healed up real nice.
Sol,
I suppose the ice fishing is good.
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ksfarmgrrl
Posted January 8, 2009 at 1:12 pm | Permalink
“And because donndublin is a troll.”-Cosmos
heh, boy did you get THAT one right’
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I don’t think the cos would like any kind of drilling for those evil fossil fuels. After all they’re created by the oil and gas a.k.a. anti-gore devils.
Is that what you call “diagram work” butch?
Sol that sounds like the weather where we are headed in Iowa. High temp on Sat. 11 degrees. 30% chance of ice storm on Friday.
Thinking seriously about staying home but know grandson would be disappointed.
Better to be safe that a “AGW” ice strom statistic.
The outlandish ‘free market’ price of oil undoubtedly helped the country into a recession. The economy was forced into a recession, demand fell off a cliff, as did the price they could extort for oil.
So much for free markets.
Carter rationed oil by participants, bush rationed oil by price.
Heheheh. HAHAHAHAH. Does anyone but me remember how tippy loved to call me butch? heheheheh.
Let’s see about the diagraming.
Cos actually posted a fragment, but that is frequently part of a casual and accepted internet style.
But if we examine the operative portion of the fragment, it is a declarative sentence.
“Donndublin” is the subject.
“is” is the verb
“a” is the modifying adjective
and “troll” is the object.
Pretty simple. And the meaning is not in doubt.
“heh, boy did you get THAT one right”
Would you like for me to diagram that one too? Like I said, I learned to do this in Mrs. Nelson’s English class in the seventh grade!
Actually “a” is an indefinite article, but in this instance, it also serves the function of an adjective, as it answers the “how many” question.
It doesnt, however, answer the “how big” question.
hehehe. HAHAHAHHAAHAH!
I cant believe no one has wished Elvis a happy birthday today. Hell, this is a HOLIDAY in Austin. Especially at the Continental Club.
“I don’t think the cos would like any kind of drilling for those evil fossil fuels. After all they’re created by the oil and gas a.k.a. anti-gore devils.”
Reading Cosmos’ mind? Do you know what he thinks better than he does? Because I’ve NEVER seen Cosmos post anything like that.
heheh. If dd is inside Cosmos’ head, he/she must be feeling WAY in over his/her head.
Dublin dreams ever night about Cos. lol
“I cant believe no one has wished Elvis a happy birthday today. Hell, this is a HOLIDAY in Austin. Especially at the Continental Club.”
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I was married on this day in 1965 when Elvis was celebrating his 30th birthday. We joked on that day about not being able to trust Elvis now that he was over 30.
Before you go wishing me a happy anniversary, I’m one of those heathens with an “x.” Another bit of trivia, my “x” was born on Aug. 16 and was celebrating his 34th birthday the day Elvis died in 1977. btw — by that time I knew for sure I couldn’t trust the “x” and it had nothing to do with him being over 30.
So, both Elvis’ birthday and the date of his death are tied to other ‘memories.’ But hey, he was a great entertainer, a great musician, and I still enjoy listening to him perform!
Heeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeee
He
Is!
TO SAVE THE DAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And the idiots who have not heard the 39,000 public service annoucements over the last 2 years, just have not had a chance to get their FREE GOVERNMENT COUPON for a digital converter. Some people, the dummacrats, need more time.
By Golly, T E L E V I S I O N is a priority for Obama!
http://www.kansas.com
News Updates
Obama team urges delay in digital TV transition
By JOELLE TESSLER, AP Technology Writer
President-elect Barack Obama is urging Congress to postpone the Feb. 17 switch from analog to digital television broadcasting, arguing that too many Americans who rely on analog TV sets to pick up over-the-air channels won’t be ready.
Hey Linda.
Is that the very definition of “bittersweet”?
I’ll congratulate you on the great life you have now. Wish I was there to lift a glass with you.
Actually, I wish we were BOTH in Austin at the Continental Club listening to music AND lifting a glass.
“Actually, I wish we were BOTH in Austin at the Continental Club listening to music AND lifting a glass.
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Ah, heaven — good company, good music… Have you ever seen anyone be grumpy or sad when they were singing? Could we sing along?
Illinois Panel Report Recommends Impeachment for Blagojevich
“The citizens of this state must have confidence that their governor will faithfully serve the people and put their interests before his own,” the report reads. “It is with profound regret that the committee finds that our current governor has not done so.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/08/burris-face-tough-questioning-blagojevich-impeachment-panel/
…and in other news…
Seems like rick “the purpose driven bigot” warren’s work in Africa regarding AIDS isnt so altruistic after all.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-01-...
Only a two minute prayer indeed.
Aliens prefer fosil fuels.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,477885,00.html
Got a 404 error on that link Farmie. Do you have another?
“SolDevVB” –
Try this:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-01-07/the-truth-about-rick-warren-in-africa/
That did it. Many thanx MH
donndublin posted January 8, 2009 at 1:56 pm
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ksfarmgrrl
Posted January 8, 2009 at 1:12 pm | Permalink
“And because donndublin is a troll.”-Cosmos
heh, boy did you get THAT one right’
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I don’t think the cos would like any kind of drilling for those evil fossil fuels. After all they’re created by the oil and gas a.k.a. anti-gore devils.
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Fossil fuels were created by organic sources.
donndublin again uses Al Gore as a ’straw man’.
donndublin is a huge, obvious, and stupid troll.
Thanks Monkeyhawk
And ya know dude, since I like you and all these days, I gotta point out that while I agreed with your posts yesterday about the power of symbolism…
…I gotta wonder if you now understand why the “symbolism” of having rick warren give “only a two minute prayer” at obama’s big fat swearing-in is SO upsetting to the lgbt community?
Ya know, the power of symbolism and all?
I think we have the law of unintended consequences working here.
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Feminists worldwide promoting ’sexual genocide’
Charlie Butts – OneNewsNow – 1/8/2009 8:15:00 AMBookmark and Share
baby ultrasoundSex-selective abortion is rampant in many countries and continues to grow.
According to a publication in Orissa, the female sex ratio in India alone is at an all-time low. Steven Mosher heads the Population Research Institute, which monitors abortion internationally. “This is done in India in epidemic proportions. It’s done in China,” he notes. “It’s done in many, many of the civilizations of East Asia and Southeast Asia.”
Mosher contends it has been a losing situation for female children for centuries. However, he says the rise of Christianity has actually helped females, not hurt them, because the Bible recognizes them as having souls and also as the pinnacle of God’s creation in Genesis 2.
Steve Mosher PRI”Let’s look back in history before the coming of Christianity. Virtually all societies treated women as not just the weaker sex, but the disposable sex,” he points out. “Female infanticide was practiced by the Greeks, by the Romans, by most of the pagan societies — and it was only with the coming of Christianity that the status of women was raised.”
But Mosher adds that radical feminists continue to promote abortion internationally at the expense of their own gender. “The feminists, who want to eliminate all distinctions between men and women, are only exposing their unborn sisters to a horrible form of sexual genocide,” he concludes.
“donndublin is a huge, obvious, and stupid troll”
Thanks Cos. A complete sentence is so much easier to diagram and all.
Perhaps dd will ask me to do it again?
Jesus WEPT outlander, that’s as bad as the pope saying this week that women using birth control were the ones responsible for the destruction of the environment and the decline world wide in male fertility.
Abortion worldwide kills way more females than males. This is feminism?
Sigh.
“radical feminists continue to promote abortion”
for about the ten thousandth time….
I dont know any “feminists” who promote abortion.
I do know people of all persuasions, including SCOTUS, who support choice in the matter.
But then, you knew better when you posted it.
l’enfant provocateur
“Abortion worldwide kills way more females than males. This is feminism?”
No, it’s mysogyny. Sounds like the ultrasound is the culprit.
But then, you and yours make no distinction between abortion and infanticide.
SolDevVB Posted January 8, 2009 at 1:49 pm
the above is not your local forecast, but mine.
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Sol, has your local forecast been as accurate as the Met’s annual global temperature forecast?
‘Pacific continues to influence climate’
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2008/pr20081230.html
“2009 is expected to be one of the top-five warmest years on record, despite continued cooling of huge areas of the tropical Pacific Ocean, a phenomenon known as La Niña.
According to climate scientists at the Met Office and the University of East Anglia the global temperature is forecast to be more than 0.4 °C above the long-term average. This would make 2009 warmer than the year just gone and the warmest since 2005.
During La Niña, cold waters rise to the surface to cool the ocean and land surface temperatures. The 2009 forecast includes an updated decadal forecast using a Met Office climate model. This indicates a rapid return of global temperature to the long-term warming trend, with an increasing probability of record temperatures after 2009.
…
# Over the nine years, 2000-2008, since the Met Office has issued forecasts of annual global temperature the mean value of the forecast error is 0.06 °C .”
ksfarmgrrl,
You can’t expect very much from outlander. He insisted that the number zero “0″ in C02 was the letter “o”.
And then he claimed that the Internet converted the letter “o” into the number “0″. It’s just t00 (sic) funny.
Heheheheh Cosmos. I love how you kick butt every single day.
Some on this blog like to pretend that Christians don’t commit crimes (like the recent cross burning despite a long American history of Christians burning crosses). Well, here’s another story for them to deny.
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_11401013
Christian purposely targets non-Christians for slaughter. As usual the article refuses to mention him as a Christian terrorist as that is only referenced to Muslims.
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Maggotpunk
Posted January 8, 2009 at 4:30 pm | Permalink
Some on this blog like to pretend that Christians don’t commit crimes (like the recent cross burning despite a long American history of Christians burning crosses). Well, here’s another story for them to deny.
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_11401013
Christian purposely targets non-Christians for slaughter. As usual the article refuses to mention him as a Christian terrorist as that is only referenced to Muslims.
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No, that would be one nut job that targeted people.
I would be willing to bet the majority of murders committed in the U.S. are done by secular people with no ties to churches or any particular faith at all.
Your assertion is beyond ignorance, it’s arm flailing stupid.
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cosmos_originally
Posted January 8, 2009 at 4:09 pm | Permalink
SolDevVB Posted January 8, 2009 at 1:49 pm
the above is not your local forecast, but mine.
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Sol, has your local forecast been as accurate as the Met’s annual global temperature forecast?
‘Pacific continues to influence climate’
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2008/pr20081230.html
“2009 is expected to be one of the top-five warmest years on record, despite continued cooling of huge areas of the tropical Pacific Ocean, a phenomenon known as La Niña.
According to climate scientists at the Met Office and the University of East Anglia the global temperature is forecast to be more than 0.4 °C above the long-term average. This would make 2009 warmer than the year just gone and the warmest since 2005.
During La Niña, cold waters rise to the surface to cool the ocean and land surface temperatures. The 2009 forecast includes an updated decadal forecast using a Met Office climate model. This indicates a rapid return of global temperature to the long-term warming trend, with an increasing probability of record temperatures after 2009.
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# Over the nine years, 2000-2008, since the Met Office has issued forecasts of annual global temperature the mean value of the forecast error is 0.06 °C .”
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Forecasting temperatures is not climate prediction.
And, it takes more than 9 years to predict a trend in climate.
cosmos does not understand climate science.
Regular claims:
“I would be willing to bet the majority of murders committed in the U.S. are done by secular people with no ties to churches or any particular faith at all.”
Doubtful. Considering the vast majority of the nation is religious and the U.S. Bureau of Prison’s statistical data shows Atheists are underrepresented in the prison population, it’s safe to conclude the vast majority (99%) are religious.
It’s not just a nut job who killed those people, it’s a religious nutjob. Maybe he was reading the Bible and got the inspiration to follow one of your god’s commandments which says to kill unbelievers.
Apparently being Christian wasn’t enough, if you are Catholic he would have killed you.
http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2009/jan/07/details-released-about-eldora-shooting/
For some reason he stabbed his cat multiple times too. Never fear though, when Derik Bonestroo killed himself he made himself a martyr and got a good seat in heaven with the other suicide killers for Christ.
“ksfarmgrrl” grills me (and if “ksfarmgrrl” is doing the grilling you can bet I’ll turn out tasty!) –
“I gotta wonder if you now understand why the “symbolism” of having rick warren give “only a two minute prayer” at obama’s big fat swearing-in is SO upsetting to the lgbt community?
Ya know, the power of symbolism and all?”
Yeah, I know. And you’ve convinced me.
My only defense is ignorance.
I knew next to squat about Rick Warren. I haven’t read “The Purpose-Filled Life,” or whatever it’s called. I’d read some reviews and got the impression he was another twice-born televangelist but one whose message was more embracing than Falwell or Robertson.
I wasn’t aware he’d gone “Full Santorum” over GLBT issues.
At first I thought it was a sop to the twice-born. Lord knows, Obama has a lot of other fish to fry and even though I personally think there should be no prayer or mention of a deity in what is supposed to be a secular event, I was willing to accept it in the name of “tradition.”
Twenty-five million people bought Warren’s book, so he does have a constituency, I guess. And the “President of all the people” was an inspirational meme. And heaven knows, we progressives have been beaten down for so long it’s too easy to think someone who isn’t Falwell is an improvement… a step in the right direction.
I was wrong.
Warren is nothing but another money-grubbing, hateful televangelist; a wolf in shepherd’s clothes.
And still…
It is “only a two minute prayer.”
It’s symbolic the other way if Warren chooses to give a prayer that does not go full-Santorum when he’s given the spotlight. Like cockroaches scatter when someone turns on the lights.
If Warren were to take his opportunity to spread his vile hatred, I’d hope Obama goes off-script and rebukes him for ruining what’s supposed to be a unifying ceremony. (And yeah, Warren’s mere appearance can be construed — not inaccurately — as divisive.)
I had some hope when the twice-borns objected to Warren accepting the invitation. It’s not always true but when the evangelical wingnuts don’t like something, the opposite track is the way to go.
“He had some sort of fascination or fixation with religion,” Pelle said. “He was going to convert people who weren’t Christian.”
“I remember he was big into guns, but I never thought of it as a negative thing. He hunted a lot,” Nichols said.
http://www.timescall.com/news_story.asp?ID=13471
Guns and fundamentalism, a dangerous combination.
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Posted January 8, 2009 at 4:28 pm | Permalink
Heheheheh Cosmos. I love how you kick butt every single day.
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Oh great. Thanks a lot kfg. You encouraged him.
Now poor Cosmos will continue under the delusion that only he, Captain Cosmos, can save the world from deniers and the CO2 monster.
Captain Cosmos, strange smirking visitor from the Al Gore shrine in his Mom’s basement. Fighting to censor all that is not pure algorian. Correcting mis-spelled words with a single Sponge Bob eraser.
Captain Cosmos, lying with abandoned to try to lure another blogger into a deadly game of AGW copy and paste.
What if no one plays with Captain Cosmos?
Sanjay Gupta, Obamanation’s pick for surgeon general, has been accused of supporting abortions for disabled unborn children, opposing protections for pro-life medical professionals, and denying the risks associated with the dangerous RU-486 abortion drug. Obmanation’s ongoing appointments of such baby-hating eugenicists to key administrations positions, where they will be able to promote and enforce new policies of unlimited, unrestricted, taxpayer-funded abortions, targeted especially at reducing the black population, is already a well recognized pattern of his social agenda, even before inauguration.
Thomas Perrelli, the shyster who represented Terri Schiavo’s former husband Michael, and condemned her to a horrible 13-day execution by starvation and dehydration, will become an associate U.S. attorney general, the third highest position in the Justice Department.
Parkay, children can’t have abortions, much less “unborn” children. Perhaps you meant to say “of” instead of “for”. But since that you are batship crazy does it really matter?
PRAYER FOR PEACE
“God of mercy and compassion, Of grace and reconciliation, Pour your power upon all your children in the Middle East.
Let hatred be turned into love, fear to trust,
Despair to hope, oppression to freedom,
Occupation to liberation, That violent encounters may be replaced by loving embraces, And peace and justice could be experienced by all. Amen.”
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From Imagine Peace, a devotional resource from the WCC Decade to Overcome Violence, 2008.
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Yours in Christian love and service,
The Rev. Dr Samuel Kobia, General secretary of the World Council of Churches
“What if no one plays with Captain Cosmos?”
It’ll never happen. You guys are obsessed with Cosmos.
A literary analogy puzzle for ya, outie:
Moby Dick is to Captain Ahab
What _________ is to the cons on the WE Blog.
I bet even an ESU business grad can get that one.
outlander still incorrectly believes that my goal is to “censor” the falsehoods that he uses to support his AGW denial.
The only viable solution to the lies spread by the AGW deniers since the late 1980’s is publicly debunking those lies.
Note how outlander refuses to defend the multiple falsehoods in the column that he brought here for “discussion”.
‘Ambler Huffs and Puffs, but really he just blows‘
http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/ambler-huffs-and-puffs-but-mostly-he-just-blows/
outlander just attacks me for pointing out that Ambler misspelled CO2, C-zero-2.
And outlander attacks the ’straw man’ that he loves to hate, Al Gore.
outlander prefers to believe his invalid opinions, which he supports with proven lies.
“Since then, November and December general fund receipts have fallen $44.6 million short of expectations, he said.”
That’s weird. Usually they are spot on.
“outlander just attacks me for pointing out that Ambler misspelled CO2, C-zero-2.”
When one’s refutation entails pointing out a spelling error, one has reached the bottom. Have you run those calculations yet, or do you have faith they are correct? How is that computer model thing working out?
StevenEDavis posted January 8, 2009 at 5:17 pm
“What if no one plays with Captain Cosmos?”
It’ll never happen. You guys are obsessed with Cosmos.
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Their main obsessions seem to be their hatred of Al Gore (’strawman’) and carbon taxes (ideology, free-market principles).
Plus an ability to completely block out climate science, by using the two obsessions above.
“Their main obsessions seem to be their hatred of Al Gore (’strawman’) and carbon taxes (ideology, free-market principles).”
You forgot the Socialist agenda. Bury your car.
fleettwood posted January 8, 2009 at 5:27 pm
When one’s refutation entails pointing out a spelling error, one has reached the bottom. Have you run those calculations yet, or do you have faith they are correct? How is that computer model thing working out?
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C-zero-2 was just having fun, nit-picking an obvious error — there are other, very major falsehoods, that have been debunked. outlander ignored those.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/01/open-thread-18-3/#comment-499878
Science is not “faith”. And the calculations have been run many times.
“And the calculations have been run many times.”
By you??
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cosmos_originally
Posted January 8, 2009 at 5:39 pm | Permalink
fleettwood posted January 8, 2009 at 5:27 pm
When one’s refutation entails pointing out a spelling error, one has reached the bottom. Have you run those calculations yet, or do you have faith they are correct? How is that computer model thing working out?
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C-zero-2 was just having fun, nit-picking an obvious error — there are other, very major falsehoods, that have been debunked. outlander ignored those.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/01/open-thread-18-3/#comment-499878
Science is not “faith”. And the calculations have been run many times.
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cosmos, this is why you get no respect on this forum.
You dredge up a simple spelling mistake over and over.
You are worse than despicable, you’re a vulture of misery.
Their main obsessions seem to be their hatred of Al Gore (’strawman’), Socialism, and carbon taxes (ideology, free-market principles).
Plus an ability to completely block out climate science, by using the three obsessions above.
C-zero-2 was just having fun, nit-picking an obvious error — there are other, very major falsehoods, that have been debunked. outlander ignored those.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/01/open-thread-18-3/#comment-499878
cosmo is in repeat mode. He needs to reboot.
cosmos, C-zero-2 was fun the first time you brought it up, not the 8th or 9th time you brought it up.
fleettwood,
I don’t need to reboot. I’m just tired of giving you stupid trolls soup.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/01/open-thread-16-2/#comment-497980
cosmos_originally
Posted January 8, 2009 at 5:56 pm | Permalink
fleettwood,
I don’t need to reboot. I’m just tired of giving you stupid trolls soup
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Yeah, calling other people stupid and trolls will earn you respect. (rolls eyes)
“I don’t need to reboot. I’m just tired of giving you stupid trolls soup.”
Good. It will give you more time to run the calculations yourself. Or you could just have faith they are correct. What with all the computer models and all. Those are always right.
Computer models. Is it trash in, trash out?
outlander posted January 6, 2009 at 8:33 am
Oh and here is the link. If you care, you can view the article in your browser, to plainly see that the author wrote “Co2? for carbon dioxide. So, though the Typepad converts “Co2? to “C02? it is nonsense for Cosmos to say that the author didn’t know how to type it.
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Typepad does NOT convert “o” to “0″.
“cosmos, this is why you get no respect on this forum.”
I lunched with several bloggers the other day.
All agreed that cosmos has a singular gift for getting at the cons. And he should know that there are no small number of like minded folk who would like to meet him.
The collective opinion as to “Regular” was entirely the opposite.
MP, Wasn’t Dennis Rader the head of a Church?
Posted for your daily empathy boost… when yer through insulting each other.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ1kfmxTooQ
“Typepad does NOT convert “o” to “0?.”
I repeat:
When one’s refutation entails pointing out a spelling error, one has reached the bottom. Have you run those calculations yet, or do you have faith they are correct? How is that computer model thing working out?
“MP, Wasn’t Dennis Rader the head of a Church?”
Yep. He was president of the congregation at one of the lutheran churches down there. That’s how they caught him. He sent a computer disc to the cops that was done on the church computer.
IIRC, he also did some weird ritual with a woman’s body AT the church.
Of course, I dont blame the church. BTK was obviously on the same level of derangement as bigotbawks.
“Their main obsessions seem to be”
Dont forget me:)
And equality for the lgbt community.
fleettwood posted January 8, 2009 at 6:20 pm
I repeat.
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Of course you do, because you are a troll, and the BDP.
You cannot understand that I kept bringing up “C-zero-2″, because outlander made a big, bogus issue of it.
fleetwood cannot understand scientific methodology, he cannot understand climate science, he cannot understand climate models, he cannot understand. . .
ksfarmgrrl posted January 8, 2009 at 6:26 pm
“Their main obsessions seem to be”
Dont forget me:)
And equality for the lgbt community.
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I apologize, no offense meant. I was just trying to list their main hatreds that cause them to ignore all of the AGW science.
Just kidding Cosmos. No need to apologize. They are equal opportunity obsessives.
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BlueJay
Posted January 8, 2009 at 6:10 pm | Permalink
“cosmos, this is why you get no respect on this forum.”
I lunched with several bloggers the other day.
All agreed that cosmos has a singular gift for getting at the cons. And he should know that there are no small number of like minded folk who would like to meet him.
The collective opinion as to “Regular” was entirely the opposite.
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Was that your monthly meeting of the Communist Party USA comrade?
I love it how the execution of a man by a policeman has become a “race” issue. A lot of bloggers want to trivialize it as though it’s just a “white cop against the black man”. Or that it’s just the blacks rioting to riot because “they are so oppressed”. It’s not. It’s an issue of the way things are for all of us. The difference between Rodney King and now is that there are just as many white folks pis sed off as the blacks on this one.
It’s an issue of ‘roided out, sadistic, crazy people getting training and having the expectation to treat us “civilians” (notice I said civilians and not citizens) like slaves. We are expected to lick these bas tards’ boots and if we don’t…well, they’ve got the “blue code”. When you get pulled over for speeding they act condescendingly towards you, keeping their hand on their sidearm. Now their given “less lethal” Taser’s and they use them all of the time. They use them so much that they confuse a firearm with one (at least that is the scumbag, BART pig’s excuse).
Thank God for YouTube.
“Was that your monthly meeting of the Communist Party USA comrade?”
“It’s not FAIR! You all have lunch. We cons like to have lunch too! You are poopyheads for not inviting us!”
Bj eating across the table from you, Linda and StevenD would be like being trapped in a chamber of horrors. Thank you for not inviting me!
Yeah that’s kinda how we thought you’d feel there okie.
Believe it or not, your name was actually tossed about. But we decided the ick factor outweighed the entertainment value.
Chas was there too!
BOO!
“Communist Party!!”" LOL you throwback!
I’d break bread with any of you, I’m sure I could learn something.
I thought the Christians would “love thier enemies”. I figured I would hear them say the same thing.
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okobserver
Posted January 8, 2009 at 7:23 pm | Permalink
Bj eating across the table from you, Linda and StevenD would be like being trapped in a chamber of horrors. Thank you for not inviting me!
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Bwa, ha, ha, ha, ha, haaaa…. May you always live in fear, granny…
hehehehehehehehe, etc…
DavidB
Posted January 8, 2009 at 7:29 pm | Permalink
“Communist Party!!”” LOL you throwback
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Do you think they don’t exit?
DavidB
Posted January 8, 2009 at 7:29 pm | Permalink
“Communist Party!!”” LOL you throwback
First of all Outlander, your article was totally and historically full of sheet. There were many cultures that women dominated society before Christianity. Plenty of pagan or multi-deist groups hailed women like goddesses. Egypt had female pharaohs, the Roman women held property and status with laws that protected their rights, Minoans, and there was a culture that lived parallel to Rome that had women in very high roles I wish I could remember what they were called. There was also a group in South America where women were in high esteem.
Christianity has done not much to increase the role of women. Rather it is quite more the culture that dictates. Actual religion didn’t come on the scene till later.
I do not like it at all when a culture holds back one sex. I think it is shameful to hold women in such low esteem. Feminists have been fighting against that for years. And the best you have to offer is Christianity which certainly does its part to put women in their place as well?
Please.
They’re going to have to realize here pretty quick that women are important, or they’re going to find them very hard to come by.
As far as medical technology assisting this discrimination, get real. They killed their female infants after they were born anyway. Sadly enough.
And Parkay is a total idiot.
“Computer models. Is it trash in, trash out?”
No, actually it is GIGO, garbage in, garbage out. The quality of the output cannot exceed the quality of the input. Just for your popular culture edification.
Hey Pleefer,
I bought a little gold the yesterday, seems like the first time I’ve purchased and it’s gone up immediately, ha.
What do you think the future holds for the dollar holding against the other currencies.
I think the dollar ’should’ be headed to the dump what with all the deficit spending present and future, but the other currencies don’t seem to be holding up either or as well, so it’s a wash.
Gold is getting harder and harder to find and the costs of extraction and fabricating are increasingly expensive.
I think I will continue to purchase a little here and there again. I started late 2004 and have done really well with both gold and silver.
What say you?
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BlueJay
Posted January 8, 2009 at 6:10 pm | Permalink
“cosmos, this is why you get no respect on this forum.”
I lunched with several bloggers the other day.
All agreed that cosmos has a singular gift for getting at the cons. And he should know that there are no small number of like minded folk who would like to meet him.
The collective opinion as to “Regular” was entirely the opposite.
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Just shows how consistently petty and small minded the Libs are to talk about other people.
I forgot to post the link DavidB
http://www.cpusa.org/
Modern feminism got its start in Ms. Magazine (founded by CIA asset Gloria Steinem)as a way to destabilize the family and simultaneously tax the other half of the population and get the kid’s out of the home and letting the State “nurture” them. Like it or not.
Here’s the cheesey wiki on her, but feel free to research it on your own:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Steinem
Aside from her and her aspirations, the feminine aspect is the balance and women should be held in esteem by all cultures. Fu cked up patriarchal religions have destroyed (or at least gave a serious effort) to destroy the natural state of balance between man and woman. As much as it’s a grande idea to fight for “equality”, isn’t it enough to be superior? Being able to give birth and nurture and raise a child is the true gift.
Now we’re all supposed to believe that being a woman is nothing more than being able to burn a bra and have an abortion?
Give me a break.
You’re right, women were once revered, now modern feminism pulls them down to this level? A right to scrape a fetus out of your womb?
I don’t care if you have abortions, that’s between you and God (if you are a believer), I can’t nor won’t judge. But women are and were always supposed to be, much more than that.
“Just shows how consistently petty and small minded the Libs are to talk about other people.—Regular
Regular,
And horribly insecure too. I think they are like they are because of deep seated insecurity.
And that’s why they feel they have to have a nanny government to help them get along and care for them.
They resent anyone not like that, as insecure as themselves.
They need that group to protect them.
Wow pleef, you have a totally messed up opinion of what feminism is about.
the feminist movement started long before Steinem, matter of fact, I can’t even tell you how far back it goes. There were feminists for centuries.
From Florence Nightinggale to Alice Paul to Susan B Anthony.
Reproductive freedom is a sign of equality, not the cause. There are many facets of equality. Different and equal can be achieved.
I can never afford too much gold (even when I can find it now), a fifth of an ounce here and there. But I buy silver Eagles like crazy (I’ve lbs. of silver hidden away).
I think I’d invest in Euro’s if I was to get into any currency’s at all. The dollar can’t help but die out, as China is going to stop buying up our debt soon. This “bailout” that just happened will hyper-inflate our dollar to popping status and when it goes, it’ll be just like the Weimar Republic’s end. History does us a favor if we learn from it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic
How can we possibly finance a trillion(s?) dollar deficit? It’s never been this way ever in history…ever. And it would take a crystal ball to see what exactly will happen. It can’t be good.
But (I believe) if the talking heads say that we’ll be in this mess for a couple more years, count on it lasting for 5 or more. I mean, how long did it take them to admit that we were in a “recession” when they knew it was that bad in December of ‘07?
Gold will hit $2000 by the end of this year. That is being said by Paul Craig Roberts, Joseph Stiglitz, Peter Schiff…economists that I trust.
I’d buy as much storable food as you can afford and also good heirloom seeds. Because, in the coming months…those are going to be the real investments. We’re headed for a hyper-inflationary depression and thus it’s why we see our troops being deployed in the States. Heck, The Economist magazine has already said we’re actually in a depression.
I wish folks would keep their mortgage payments and tell the banks their not buying their homes a second or third time.
In any case, I know we’re all going to have to come together and fight the real enemies or else we’ll be hating each other.
Well, P-Mom
You really need to read Pleefer’s remarks again. His first words, “Modern feminism got its start. . .” Based on his preface, his remarks were ’spot on’.
Your remarks, on the other hand, were a collection of liberal cliches and BS.
I said modern feminism Mama. I know the nobility of woman. But the modern version has been corrupted, sorry.
The cons are just freaking out here lately Pmom.
But I’m sure you already noticed that.
Congratulations on your new blog, btw. I like it!
But dont worry. I wont post the URL so these butt munches dont trash it up.
KFG, you don’t believe I’m a “con” freaking out do you?
DavidB posted January 8, 2009 at 6:19 pm
Posted for your daily empathy boost… when yer through insulting each other.
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I wasn’t “insulting” when I said they are stupid trolls, I was being factual.
* Their posts are obviously troll posts.
* A smart troll will disguise their trolling with filler, some normal posts, etc. They didn’t, so they are stupid trolls. And that term also accurately describes the content of their posts.
Pleefer,
I am not interested in playing the fiat currencies themselves, but only how they relate to commodities like precious metals.
Gold has been so tied lately to the dollar, with the dollar strengthening and gold falling, and vice versa. Awhile back it seemed tied to oil but has disassociated from oil lately.
I am losing confidence in the dollar and also any piece of paper saying someone, or entity, owes me when I ask for it, as in when I do it won’t be there.
I hope you are wrong that it could get so bad that seeds and food will be the things of value. Though I have been storing larger quantities of ammo, but just because it is getting scarce and more expensive. And of course I don’t trust a liberal government at all to leave us our freedoms and the ability to buy it.
I try deliver truths. Now they may be “inconvenient truths” to some, but still, they are truths (I don’t know enough about global warming to say anything about that, I just know how it’s being exploited by devil elites).
I stand back and see life from a great vantage point, one that sees both Republican and Democrat political agenda’s as pure bovine excrement. If the Constitution were followed and not stepped on by fake, bs arguments, then all of these “rights” would be there anyway. Nowhere within the Constitution is abortion or “reproductive rights” mentioned. Those are personal rights for the individual. And the individual is getting squashed from the left and the right.
I’m not speaking caveman…I try to deliver truths.
Hey cosmos,
It is really too warm to turn on my cast iron gas log stove tonight. It needs to be down around freezing or the house gets a little warm. But when I saw you here I went down and turned it on and then went outside to see if I could see any condensation vapor indicating exhaust including CO2 so I could let you know.
It’s running cosmos…filling the air with CO2, but it feels so good.
“pure bovine excrement”
Pleefer,
That’s call ‘Pelosi’ now!
Don’t say BS, say ‘that’s a big stinkin load of Pelosi!”
Pleef, I agree with you on the the Oakland police being douche-bags, hopefully the DA there gets a murder charge on the SOB, and the vic’s family sues him into homelessness. And your right about cops when they do routine stops a month ago I got stopped for supposedly speeding and not only was he rude he freaked out when I reached into my pocket to get my DL and when I opened my glove box, and I’m like “your the one who asked for my License and insurance”
Pleef what is it about the feminist movement has you so agitated? the fact that women won’t tolerate being put in the submissive under thumb position anymore? We owe Steinem a great deal of gratitude. There is nothing wrong with trying to achieve equal status. And there are so many ways we’re subdued, even down to the smallest things that we don’t even notice.
Women and men are put into gender roles FROM BIRTH. From how our parents discipline us and the toys they give us. Boys are encouraged for physical roughplay, girls are given dolls and punished quicker for acting up. That’s a roleplay attitude on what is acceptable by gender. We don’t even think about it.
I have no idea who Dorothy Parker is (or any desire to look her up), but her quote made me chuckle.
Glad you looked her up, Linda. She’s deliciously wicked! If you can find it, try a short by her titled (I think) “The Dance”. I memorized it years ago, but can barely remember the first line accurately now. I’m sure you’ll find something in it to relate to. :)
I go here daily to see what metals do throughout the World. I don’t really know how it relates to other currency’s, I just know that throughout history, it’s held its value. But really, as you know, anything is “money” when you trade something for something. Hell, I’ve got a king size bed that I’d trade for a good shotgun. The bed and shotgun then become money. Easy.
And I hope I’m wrong too. But I’d rather have too much, too soon than too little, too late (as the cliche’ goes).
Hey man, (I mean this with respect too) it’s not a “liberal” government anymore than the outgoing one was “conservative”. They are all headed to the same destination. Fabian Socialism.
Look up the Fabian Society
LOL! “You don’t think they exist? See they have a website!!!! “LOL!
I have known real live communists. “Red diaper babies”, even children of old CP’ers. Communists are friends of mine. I have never seen any communist ides blogged here.
You still scared of the Red Menace? Booo!!! Do you have any idea how irrelevant the CPUSA is to any current thinking?
But last time I looked, it is a right for Americans to have communist beliefs and even to join a political party if they want to.
Of course, in Europe, the communist parties are somewhat respected and win even elections. They are still respected for leading the fighting against the Nazis.
Indeed Mr. Paine! I miss Enos and Barney Fife.
” can never afford too much gold (even when I can find it now)”
Sorry I had to leave. Since the close of grain exchange three weeks ago, I’ve had to make some adjustments.
I totally agree on gold Pleefer. Not so much Silver. And the Euro is doomed in the short term to follow the dollar. Long term? Maybe – but they have to get their Russian oil business to a consistent level, that is trustworthy, and reliable. Long term prospects agreed are good – absolutely better than the dollar.
The dollar is doomed. The doom and gloom in the news is real. Shocked Americans are still looking like deer in the headlights. They don’t get it. Not yet.
Asian markets have my interest. The Chinese Yuan? Maybe even the Yen (Japan as recently as 2007 was biggest holder of US securities)? Don’t go with the Pound. I see it as another independent and much more highly dependent upon the US economy than the rest. All these will suffer during the downturn.
But the bright side is any dollars spent by the feds for recovery – for INFRASTRUCTURE is sure to include imports of cheaper goods and labor from Asia.
Asian markets and emerging asian markets.
And yes – gold. Don’t let anyone fool you: It’s high historically, but it ain’t seen nothin’ yet.
The more Obama and the government talks negative on the future, gold is going to grow……
Just MHO.
Boxlock20 posted January 8, 2009 at 9:12 pm
It’s running cosmos…filling the air with CO2, but it feels so good.
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Enjoy paying your utility bill.
Oops! I was close. It’s titled “The Waltz”.
I almost forgot, the dollar as a world standard is on the way to the trash heap. Those with the oil will pick the next leading currency for the 2010-2100 future.
Hey thanks KFG.
Pleefer,
Again, you will get no argument out of me on your last paragraph. We have not had a conservative government recently and it has hurt us badly.
This is not the United States I grew up in and felt great gratitude to be born into.
I am embarrassed by much of what I see in the media. Fortunately, I still work and associate with people that are for the most part hardworking, independent and self-sufficient. Problem is they are busy with their lives and the country is going to he11 around them and they seem not to notice.
“Don’t say BS, say ‘that’s a big stinkin load of Pelosi!”
“That is just a bunch of Pelosi!”
Boxlock make up my mind, wouldja?
An effective saying must be consistent to take.
“Enjoy paying your utility bill.”
I can do that cosmos, I can do that.
That’s the beauty of this county, at least to this point, I can work to earn, and earn to spend, according to my decisions…..not yours faux scientist.
Okay, okay, I defer.
We’ll do it your way.
I’m not agitated by the feminists movement and of course I’m for “equality”. Equality for everyone. I’m saying we already have it under the Constitution (if we use it and don’t amend it out of existence). I’m saying, being most sincere, that the woman is superior in that she can bear a child. Now, she may not want that child or see that capability as a burden, but in my little opinion, it’s a gift and an elevation.
My wife works her ass off 13 hours a day (I get off easy, with only 9 hours). I get home and cook the dinner and after she’s came home and we’ve all eaten, we share the dishes. I usually come down here and get on this blog in between doing the days laundry. My wife’s job requires her to be on her feet all day long (she works in a cath lab). So when I’m doing this, she’s usually taking a hot bath or lying in bed reading.
Am I going against my gender education? Should I be beating her if she don’t cook?
I don’t buy it (the gender training thing), we work as a team. The only thing I resent (and she does too) is that we don’t get as much time with our kid’s as we want. But we have the kids help us with the clothes and cooking and dishes…
“not had a conservative government recently and it has hurt us badly.
This is not the United States I grew up in and felt great gratitude to be born into.”
Ditto, republicans NE conservatives. Period.
The USA we grew up in is gone. Our consumerism has doomed us.
Regardless of Obama’s best efforts – we are a third world nation economically. We are the worlds biggest debtor?
We are all like those who survived watching Rome burn. We are the going to experience what happens to a great power as it collapses.
No doubt about this. Our debt is our burden for the next few decades and more likely century.
“We’ll do it your way.”
It’s not MY way anything. I was following YOUR post from yesterday.
Consistency counts.
I hope Sarah Palin stays in the public eye.. nothing destroys her credibility more than her opening her mouth.
okobserver posted January 5, 2009 at 9:37 am
Thirty years of sea ice data. The record begins at 1979, the year satellite observations began … Rapid growth spurt leaves amount of ice at levels seen 29 years ago.
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bawks posted January 5, 2009 at 11:33 am
Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979
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Nathaniel posted January 6, 2009 at 9:20 am
Anyone already point this out to Cosmos yet?
Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979
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The reality, and real science that AGW deniers do NOT want to see.
‘Cold Hard Facts‘
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/cold-hard-facts/
Pleef, you still didn’t answer my question about what in the feminist movement upsets you so?
That’s exactly what we’re looking for, except we are NOT equal guaranteed under the constitution, not until the ERA is a reality.
Women are still underrepresented but it is getting better. And it is more likely in this day and age to have a husband who sees his wife does more and offers to care for domestic chores that our parents wouldn’t have. For that, you can thank a feminist. For it is feminists who made that change.
AmWay,
I think the term ‘Pelosi’ can be inserted in any sentence that the old term bu11 sh*) was used.
I think it is even more repugnant, so whatever expression one chooses to use, ‘Pelosi’ can be inserted equally well, no with even more effect.
But again, I’m no expert on using those type terms, maybe we should consult Chas or kfg or BJ.
Regarding gender being chosen by women in India…
Several years ago I was listening to NPR and heard a program on this. Because females hold no position in India, male babies are much preferred by husbands and extended families. Newly pregnant women use the mobile sonogram vans and buses to discover the sex of their future child. If it’s to be a male, they’re relieved. If a female, they do often resort to abortion, which is also easy to get in India.
Don’t blame the women for this. Blame the society that sees females as inferior.
This isn’t the program I heard, but it’s close.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1505959
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DavidB
Posted January 8, 2009 at 9:40 pm | Permalink
I hope Sarah Palin stays in the public eye.. nothing destroys her credibility more than her opening her mouth.
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Aint that the truth.
You’re right AmWay, I just can’t afford to get as much Au as I want. So I do what I can and that’s buy up storable food and silver. And yeah, the Yuan is something to look at.
As much as people want to think that it’s all “kooky conspiracy theory” stuff, The Amero will be here soon.
All of the “bailout” money is going overseas and it’s buying up gold over there.
http://www.gata.org/node/7029
Stop paying on your mortgages, buy up gold and food. That’s what I’m about to do.
They want to socialize us??? We need to give them a fight.
Pre,
The Waltz
I’ve become more and more fascinated as I’ve looked further and learned more. Yes, I relate!
Hey cosmos,
Extreme Alaska cold grounds planes, disables cars
Minnesota sled dog race canceled — because of too much snow…
RISE IN AVALANCHES TAKING TOLL AT SKI RESORTS…
And it goes on and on and on, the drone of global warming, but…..darn it cold outside.
But we have cosmos crying in the wilderness…
“the end is near, the end is near, too much CO2. the end is near!”
I didn’t learn from “feminists”…well my Grandma did say that “she’d never let no man screw her around”. I loved that cantankerous old lady. I learned from having both Grandpa’s and my dad all dying when I was young. I’m not exceptional either. Lots of men see the beauty and logic of a common team attitude at home.
And okay, I’m upset that because some militant women want to work the same as aman. It has become obligatory that both the father and mother of every houshold must work. The taxes have grown so much because of both parent’s working that they are compelled to work, as slaves, until they/we die. I resent the fact that I have to let someone else nurture and “educate” my children because it’s so “degrading” that a woman would want to stay at home and be a mother and guiding light. There.
And I would be a stay at home dad, but I can’t even do that because we gotta pay all of these taxes and entitlements that never go away (only change names).
“Stop paying on your mortgages,”
Man, I don’t know about that Pleefer. I think the ‘Man’ will come and get you and take you away if you quit paying on your mortgage.
HOORAY!
Part of the right is still in love with Sarah Palin!
That strutting monument to the 1950’s will continue to be the death of the GOP!
Pleefer,
Our society has come a long way haven’t we, what with all this modern liberal thinking. Yes we’ve come a long way to the point we (both parents) work till we die just to survive, we have little free time, and we pay the way for those that choose not to work in the excessive taxes we pay, we are losing our kids to government schools, but by dam* we are sure forward thinking modern liberals.
Sounds to me like you are on the wrong side Pleef.
It’s not uncommon.
I was a conservative once too. What you have to realize is that the movement eats itself. It…conserves…money and power to the few at the expense of the many like you and me.
Is there something wrong with a woman who wants a career of her own? Support equal pay and perhaps you CAN get to stay home and do the homeschooling.
You can do both, you can do it all if you really want to. You could take a night job and teach your kids during the day. Don’t blame women for wanting to be out of the house and have their own identity of their choosing.
“Part of the right is still in love with Sarah Palin!”
She is great isn’t she! She can make her opponents look like the nitwits they are without even trying.
bawks posted January 8, 2009 at 9:33 pm
“Enjoy paying your utility bill.”
I can do that cosmos, I can do that.
That’s the beauty of this county, at least to this point, I can work to earn, and earn to spend, according to my decisions…..not yours faux scientist.
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Enjoy wasting your money to prove that you can. . . uh . . . let’s see . . . oh yes, prove that you can waste your money.
There is no time for when you have to homeschool, you can do it in the evening if you wish.
“I was a conservative once too. What you have to realize is that the movement eats itself. It…conserves…money and power to the few at the expense of the many like you and me.”–BlueJay
And now he’s a Marxist that wants the force of government to provide a living for him at the expense of the person who actually and rightfully earned it.
“She is great isn’t she! ”
Oh you betcha!
She’ll likely be a candidate in 2012. In the Kansas caucus, she has my vote!
I think we outed Pleef. He wants the women to stay home and raise his kids where they belong. Notice its all the darn women’s fault for wanting ‘gasp’ to work.
bawks posted January 8, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Hey cosmos,
Extreme Alaska cold grounds planes, disables cars
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It’s winter now in the Northern hemisphere.
And it’s “GLOBAL” warming, not “Alaska and a small part of the Northern hemisphere” warming.
Now now bawks.
If you are gonna presume to define me you risk my summary judgment on you.
Wanna go there?
All they can do is foreclose. And what are they gonna do, foreclose on everyone?
Maybe…they know that the real wealth is the land and foreclosing gives them the land. They (the banks) created the money to lend us out of nothing, they have put up no risk in the loan (called consideration), so the loan is fraudulent to begin with. I’d say we could keep the house just on that basis.
Google: Banks put up no consideration (the thing exchanged) on loans, here’s and example.
And look into this as well:
http://educationcenter2000.com/legal/credit_river_decision.htm
Check this out to.
Peter Schiff is spreading the message as well!
“Outed” me eh?
You’re silly and that’s a red herring. I already stated that I believe women to actually be superior to men and if you want to work, by all means do it. I really don’t care what you do.
You want to fish out some answer that you want you want outta me, I’ll give it to you the harshest way that I can. I’ll treat you like a dude if you need that.
You want “equal” rights? Start by standing while you pizzle.
BlowJay,
You go wherever you want, I can assure you I will.
Might I suggest the parking lot at Dillons at noon. There’s lots to look at or so I imagine, and you can go inside and use the bathroom or get warm when you need to. Knowing you, you could even go inside and steal food and eat it, or any of the products they might have in front of the store.
Yes, it seems like a perfect place for you to hangout, may I introduce you to it, ha!!!
I don’t have to stand while I pizz. I’m a woman, and we don’t do that. That doesn’t make me less- just different.
Is there some fantastic thing about standing while you pee, really? Am I really envious of such a thing?
You’ve never made anything in your life have you bawks.
Aside from sales and money I mean.
From go, you’re nothing. From your posts here, you are less than nothing.
“You want “equal” rights? Start by standing while you pizzle.”
I don’t know if you are smart enough to care Pleef. But?
Disappointing.
I will be embarrassed for you.
You’re a woman and therefore are not “equal” to a man.
Did I once say that you were less? No.
You just don’t like the reason that I believe you to be “superior” to a man?
Would I be impressed if you could fart a huge, putridly fragrant fart? Yes, of course. But the methane taxes on it will kill your pocket book.
What do you want from me??? Are you trying to persuade me that women do belong barefoot in the kitchen? You sure seem like it.
Blue Jay, that was hyperbole, you dolt.
Pronunciation [hahy-pur-buh-lee]
–noun Rhetoric. 1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”
“Is there some fantastic thing about standing while you pee, really? Am I really envious of such a thing?”—P_mama
Oh yeah, you ought to try it. It’s really handy (get it) when you are out doors and need to go.
Several years ago I climbed Mt. Massive [14,340 ft.], it is part of the Sawatch Range in Colorado. When I summitted there were four women at the summit. One was squatted down attending nature’s call. When I came around a large bolder surprising us both she got up…..and wet her pants. Now see, if she had done it like I do, that wouldn’t have happened.
Wow, was I one whipped puppy by the time I got down off that mountain.
I AM SAYING THAT MEN AND WOMEN ARE INHERENTLY NOT EQUAL. I AM NOT SAYING THAT WOMEN SHOULDN’T BE TREATED AS EQUALS, LEGALLY.
SHOULD I SLOW DOWN FURTHER?
Let’s see, actually Mt. Massive is 14,421 ft., the lower peak is 14,340.
Maybe that’s why I was one whipped puppy.
Pleefer,
If you are addressing BlueJay you sure need to slow down a bunch, and draw some pictures as well.
I want to climb badly. I’m jealous. My friend just climbed Mt. Whitney a few years back. He said it was hell to climb but nothing compares.
“Maybe that’s why I was one whipped puppy.”
No, I think that is pretty much who you are all the time.
Man, pictures would be cool!
Yes, we ARE equals. As people. We are NOT the same.
I don’t consider myself superior to any man, well unless he happens to be conservative or just a flat out jerk.
But in general, men and women both have something to bring to the table. Equal as in…hired for the same job at the same time and do the same work. We should be teammates rather than divisive.
Feminists are trying to make that happen on an equal field, minus the nonsense. Equal as in, black white , equal. Men women, equal. Different is something to celebrate, but not less than or more than.
Pleefer, the only difference you have pointed to is biological… That isnt unequal… That is different biology…. Geez, sometimes you are such a moron!!
good night; good luck; god bless —-
whatever you conceive god to be!!
blessings ALL!!
so mote it be!!
“Just shows how consistently petty and small minded the Libs are to talk about other people.”
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Actually, James McCluer, we did not talk about you, because you are very boring. And stupid, etc. etc. …
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“Just shows how consistently petty and small minded the Libs are to talk about other people.”
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Actually, James McCluer, we did not talk about you, because you are very boring. And stupid, etc. etc. …
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Then you just called Junior a liar.
You were dismissed long ago James.
By the right apparently as well. How long HAVE you been posting here in one nic or many others and they don’t want to meet you?
And when I posted that it was ANOTHER day closer to a better and more socialized America.
bawks posted January 8, 2009 at 9:33 pm
“Enjoy paying your utility bill.”
I can do that cosmos, I can do that.
That’s the beauty of this county, at least to this point, I can work to earn, and earn to spend, according to my decisions…..not yours faux scientist.
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Hey bawks,
You should prove your point to all of the scientists who have researched AGW, from those worldwide today, back to Arrhenius and others in the 1800’s
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/timeline.htm
When it’s cold outside, open the windows and see how much CO2 you can produce running the heat full-time. When it’s hot in the summer, run the A/C full-time with the windows open. And when it’s 70 deg F. outside, run both your heater and A/C.
That will definitely refute the AGW science done by all those scientists. /sarcasm OFF
Cosmos —
There are many “classic” trolls on this Blog… donndublin is just one of the many…
;-)
“Pleefer, the only difference you have pointed to is biological… That isnt unequal… That is different biology…. Geez, sometimes you are such a moron!!”-Chas
Ya think?
That’s my whole point.
I was pretty sure I wasn’t being vague. I’m fugging stunned, are you all really this slow?
I said women were superior in my view ONLY because they can have a kid. Other than that women are equally as useless and equally as stupid as most of us “moronic” men.
Shiiiiit….forget it. You win.
And yeah Chas as much as you want to soften the word and make it politically “correct” a difference in biology is unequal. Same as a fat man weighed against a skinny man is unequal.
Alright, let’s get graphic.
This clitoris is a little wee-wee, so it’s kind of equal. The ballzac could have been labia, almost equal. I have nips, same as woman.
Biologically unequal, but not quite different.
How stupid, how convoluted…yet it’s equally fun too!
I really need to start thinking about leaving this entire country.
There are waaaaaaaay bigger fish to fry and we’re stuck arguing about global warming and the “no-difference” in man and woman.
I’m sitting here trying to “come together” and yet, being contrary and carrying on a non-fight/non-issue is what makes people feel like they’re “equal”
How about, “we’re all equally fu cked if we don’t stop these politicians and their owner’s, the bankster’s, from robbing our country and leaving us a fat tab and an empty shell of a country”?
After we get our country back, then you both (dems and cons) can go back to fighting over nothing. Actually, I’d hope that grown-ups prevail and their would no longer be a need to fight over these fake issues. Maybe when there is a time when the “power’s” don’t need us to be divided, the ERA would be passed. Right now though, they need us fighting. All I’m asking is that we can look past the sh it for a few months and fight the thing that keeps us divided.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,478024,00.html
Who’s the Chicken Little?
But it’s true. And it may explain some “climate change” as well. But maybe not. Maybe the Sun doesn’t govern our Earth.
“Man, pictures would be cool!”,—Pleefer
Pleefer, it was simply awesome from the ’saddle’ between the north and south summit.
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:WeKYeYkP2AoJ:www.geocities.com/ehtue/massive.html+Mt.+Massive+saddle&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
I wish I had pictures, but my wife was carrying the camera, I the water and my handgun, and weight is a factor at 14,000+ ft. elevation.
She got very tired and the weather started to look threatening at about 1000 ft. vertical elevation below the saddle, maybe an hour or more climb, so we decided she would return to timberline with a group coming down. The threat of lighting bothered her and me too. See took the camera as we didn’t think of it before she headed down.
When I reach the saddle, before heading on up to the highest summit I looked over west toward Aspen and saw the most incredible view I have ever seen or will this side of heaven. There were several, maybe half a dozen or more, individual storm cells BELOW me with lighting flashing within them and between them. I was looking down on the storms from above, and on to the valley and mountains below. It was a reverent moment!
At the summit the U.S.National Geological Survey had a bronze marker right at the summit and a PVC tube with weather proof end caps for those reaching the summit to document the time and date, along with their home address. I was pretty proud to sign it and get headed down as fast as I safely could.
What an experience.
More discription and pics.
http://chaffee.trimbleoutdoors.com/ViewTrip.aspx?TripId=30928
Yeah, I’m jealous.
I’ll do it someday soon.
I don’t want you to be jealous.
Maybe just interested enough to ‘do-it-while-you-can’.
Hope ya can someday, it is of course wonderful to be out in nature and standing on top of the world.
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