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Thankfully research that expands the irrefutable fact of evolution can better help understand the origins of diseases, thereby help combat them. On the other hand you have creationism which just advocates faith healing or chicken sacrifice or something weird and useless.
African Thicket Rat Malaria Linked To Virulent Human Form
ScienceDaily (Jan. 5, 2009) — Even though the most deadly form of malaria for humans, Plasmodium falciparum, has been linked to malaria found in chimpanzees, this group has been fairly isolated on the malarial family tree—until now. A new phylogenetic analysis from the Sackler Institute for Comparative Genomics at the American Museum of Natural History reveals that malarial parasites found in tree-dwelling rats share a close evolutionary relationship with P. falciparum and Plasmodium reichenowi.
The analysis is based on amplification of entire mitochondrial genomes of malarial parasites that use humans, rodents, birds, and lizards as their hosts.
More real science, not creationist bead rattling and whining:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081222122607.htm
Good morning all!
Have to fly to Washington today…good blogging to all, even the cowardly chickenbawks!
Thanks to TV and for the convenience of TV, you can only be one of two kinds of human beings, either a liberal or a conservative.
– Kurt Vonnegut
Maybe this world is another planet’s hell.
– Aldous Huxley
What luck for rulers that men do not think.
– Adolf Hitler
No surprise people have read Coulter’s latest novel and found numerous lies.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200901040002
“Media Matters for America has examined a copy of author and syndicated columnist Ann Coulter’s new book, Guilty: Liberal “Victims” and Their Assault on America, which Media Matters obtained in advance of the book’s release, and presents a sampling of the book’s numerous falsehoods, including misrepresentations of the sources she cites. These falsehoods come on a wide-ranging list of subjects including her defense of the claims made against Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth during the 2004 presidential campaign; her assertion that “Fox News has never been caught promoting a fraud”; her claim that President-elect Barack Obama was referring to Gov. Sarah Palin when he said “you know, you can put lipstick on a pig; it’s still a pig”; and attacks she makes against New York Times columnist Frank Rich. Coulter has announced that she is scheduled to appear on the January 6 broadcast of NBC’s Today to promote Guilty.”
The last line is outdated since Coulter got kicked off NBC’s Today. Maybe they didn’t want to reduce themselves down to a Jerry Springer episode.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003926874
I wonder if she has learned the difference between a footnote and an endnote as Senator Al Franken pointed out in one of his well researched books?
“Have to fly to Washington today.”
I am envious. I love D.C. and the people I know there.
Me, too. DC is my favorite city.
Ann Coulter needs medication.
Franken’s Coup: Anatomy of a Vote Grab
Monday, January 5, 2009 2:54 PM
By: David A. Patten Article Font Size
Two months after Minnesota voters appeared to return incumbent GOP Sen. Norm Coleman to the U.S. Senate by 725 votes, state officials Monday declared Democrat Al Franken the winner of the election.
Franken was named the victor by the Minnesota Canvassing Board, the five-member panel appointed and led by Secretary of State Mark Ritchie, who has been criticized for ties to the ACORN voter-registration organization the federal government is investigating for alleged vote fraud, as well as to left-wing billionaire George Soros.
The announcement marks the end of a recount process that overturned the apparent result of Election Day.
The board ruling will not result directly in the issuance of documents needed to seat Franken in the Senate, however. Under Minnesota law, that can take place only after all of Coleman’s legal options have been exhausted.
Franken’s apparent victory cannot be certified for at least seven days to allow time for legal challenges to be filed.
The Canvassing Board’s decision followed a state Supreme Court ruling on Monday rejecting Coleman’s request to factor in another 654 rejected absentee ballots from pro-Coleman precincts. That ruling was a major blow to Coleman’s hopes of winning re-election.
The court pointed out that the Franken campaign did not agree with the Coleman campaign that the ballots had been rejected improperly, and it invited the Coleman campaign to file a lawsuit pressing to count those ballots. But in past elections, courts have been very reluctant to issue any ruling that changes election results once state authorities certify them.
“Given our campaign’s unwavering commitment to ensuring that the vote of no Minnesotan is disenfranchised, today’s ruling by the Minnesota Supreme Court is both disappointing and disheartening,” said Coleman recount attorney Fritz Knaak in a statement.
The ruling “effectively disregards the votes of hundreds of Minnesotans,” Knaak said.
Coleman’s attorneys also have objected to 150 duplicate ballots that may have been counted twice. They now say a legal challenge to the board’s declaring Franken the winner is “inevitable.”
Democrats have spoken increasingly of seating Franken on a provisional basis, until the court challenges, which could take weeks or even months, are resolved. But Senate Republicans, led by Texas Sen. John Cornyn, have promised to filibuster any such effort.
Cornyn says he is confident that no Republican would join Democrats to approve seating someone whose election victory has not been formally certified. Doing so, he says, would cause “damage to the Senate and its reputation as an institution,” adding, “It would be a recipe for chaos.”
If Franken is not seated, the new Senate probably would convene with just 98 members. The other vacancy stems from the seat President-elect Barack Obama vacated, which has been entangled in the charges pending against Illinois Democratic Gov. Rod Blagojevich.
The state Supreme Court ruling that cleared the path to Franken’s being declared the winner was just the latest in a litany of electoral frustration for Coleman. Virtually all significant court decisions and election rulings have gone against him, a trend raising eyebrows as well as alarms among Republicans.
“Any fair-minded person should be concerned about what’s going on in Minnesota,” writes Kevin Hassett of Bloomberg.com.
The former adviser to Sen. John McCain adds, “Throughout the recount, the state’s majority political machine has been grinding away in Franken’s favor.”
Washington Times editor and writer Peter J. Parisi tells Newsmax, “I predicted to everyone I knew that I could guaran-damn-tee that Franken would steal this thing, and it looks like I was right.”
After counting 933 absentee ballots that were rejected improperly — probably Coleman’s last best hope of regaining the lead that he enjoyed for more than six weeks following the Nov. 4 election — Franken’s advantage swelled to 255 votes.
In yet another legal setback for Coleman, the state Supreme Court on Monday rejected Coleman’s request that another 654 absentee ballots rejected from pro-Coleman precincts be counted. The ruling was a major blow to Coleman’s hopes of winning reelection.
The court decided not to require state officials to count those ballots because the Franken campaign did not agree with the Coleman campaign that the ballots had been improperly rejected. The Coleman campaign can take further legal action to request the counting of those ballots, but in past elections courts have been very reluctant to issue a ruling that change election results certified by state authorities.
On Friday, Minnesota GOP Gov. Tim Pawlenty slammed the state’s Supreme Court for turning over too much authority to the two campaigns, saying it effectively gave them veto power over which ballots ought to be counted.
“It seems odd that you would turn over somebody’s legal right to vote to the campaigns,” Pawlenty said. “It seems to me that would be a matter of law, or facts of law, for the courts to determine.”
At times, Canvassing Board faux pas have contributed to conservatives’ growing sense of unease over its deliberations. The five-member panel supervises all aspects of the recount that deposed Coleman as the apparent winner.
Most observers agree that the board has maintained the appearance of objectivity, although Secretary of State Ritchie accidentally moved on Dec. 16 that a disputed ballot “be allocated to Senator Franken.”
“Weariness or Freudian slip?” a Star-Tribune reporter quipped in reaction to the gaffe.
Ritchey, who has ties to both ACORN and left-wing financier Soros, quickly amended his motion, specifying “candidate Franken,” and spectators appeared to dismiss the flub with a laugh.
The incident no doubt struck Coleman supporters as less than amusing, however, given Ritchie’s chairmanship over the largest recount in Minnesota history.
A Franken win would leave the Obama administration just a single vote shy of being able to cut off debate over U.S. Senate legislation anytime it wants.
To be sure, the board has faced some tough calls. On Dec. 17, for example, it took a vote away from Coleman because it had been cast on ballot for the primary instead of the general election. No state law addresses that unusual circumstance.
According to StarTribune.com, Coleman attorney Tony Trimble urged the board not to “disenfranchise a voter for the ballot [he] was given, that came from election judges.”
The 2008 Recount Guide from Ritchie’s office states: “a ballot or vote must not be rejected for a technicality if it is possible to decide what the voter intended, even though the voter may have made a mistake or the ballot is damaged.”
Saying the situation was “too bad, it breaks my heart,” Ritchie moved that the ballot be placed in the “other” pile, and the board agreed so Coleman did not get credit for the vote.
For Coleman, it was just one more setback in what has become a nightmarish electoral chronology:
Nov. 4, Coleman Leads by 725 Votes — Unofficial tallies of election results statewide show Coleman the winner by 725 votes out of nearly 3 million cast. The narrow margin automatically triggers a recount.
Nov. 5, Coleman Leads by 475 Votes — Ritchie’s office distributes a news release stating, “In Minnesota’s U.S. Senate race, a slim margin of 475 votes favors Republican candidate and Republican senator Norn Coleman over Democratic challenger Al Franken.” The 250-vote difference? It stems from adjusted figures state and county officials around the state submitted.
Nov. 6, Coleman Leads by 438 Votes — Coleman’s margin continues to diminish as more adjusted figures come in. Why the adjustments consistently favor Franken goes largely unexplained.
“What struck me as really outrageous was, in the beginning, how Coleman’s lead shrank,” comments Matthew Vadum, senior editor for Capital Research Center, a conservative watchdog of nonprofit groups. “The counties were allowed to correct their vote totals with barely a peep from Secretary of State Mark Ritchie. He just considered all this to be legitimate, and it was their prerogative to do that — and it looks like he let them get away with murder.”
Vadum tells Newsmax, “That basically laid the foundation for the slugfest now going on in the recount contest. He chopped off Coleman’s lead and got it within stealing distance.”
Nov. 7, Coleman Leads by 239 Votes — Ritchie’s office announces the State Canvassing Board will convene to begin supervising the statewide recount on Nov. 18. “This week,” Ritchie adds, “county election officials have been busy proofing the unofficial results previously submitted to this office’s Web site. Corrections have resulted in a shifting margin which now stands at 239 votes with the advantage to incumbent Republican U.S. Sen. Norm Coleman.” Coleman attorney Fritz Knaak says the campaign is “profoundly suspicious,” adding, “We’re mystified at this apparent pattern of every time there seems to be a change, it happens after hours and it happens in the Franken [campaign’s] favor.”
Nov. 8, Coleman Leads by 221 Votes — The New York Times reports that 32 absentee ballots were found after an election worker drove around with them in the back seat of his car for five days. An initial protest from Coleman is withdrawn, and the votes are counted. A document posted on the secretary of state’s Web site says shifting vote counts are “routine,” citing a 2006 election in which 2,100 ballot changes occurred after Election Day.
Nov. 12, Coleman Leads by 221 Votes — Ritchie, as secretary of state, names the members of the Canvassing Board who will oversee the recount: Minnesota Supreme Court Chief Justice Eric J. Magnuson, whom GOP Gov. Tim Pawlenty appointed; Minnesota Supreme Court Justice G. Barry Anderson, also appointed by Pawlenty; Chief Judge Kathleen R. Gearin of the Second Judicial District, a solid Democratic area; Assistant Chief Judge Edward J. Cleary, also of the Second Judicial District. By law, Ritchie will chair the board. Pawlenty appears on “Hannity & Colmes” and defends Minnesota’s secretary of state: “I know Mark Ritchie. He is a partisan on the other side of the aisle, as I am as governor. He is trying his best to conduct this fairly. The laws in Minnesota have certain limitations. There’s no evidence that he or anyone else has had actual wrong-doing. What we’re saying is that this process has resulted in some strange irregularities — statistical irregularities — and some suggestion that something is amiss.”
Nov. 18, Coleman Leads by 215 Votes — Ritchie convenes the first meeting of the Canvassing Board. The New York Times reports that the margin now stands at 215 votes. A statewide hand recount begins.
Nov. 19, Coleman Leads by 215 Votes — Ramsey County District Court Judge Dale B. Lindman grants a Franken campaign request that the county be required to release data on absentee ballots that may have been rejected improperly.
Nov. 21, Coleman Leads by 136 Votes — Coleman’s lead begins to slip almost as soon as the recount begins. In Duluth, Franken gains 30 votes, most attributed to errors stemming from outdated Eagle scanning machines. By day two, 46 percent of the 2.9 million ballots cast have been recounted. Some 823 ballots have been challenged by the two campaigns, generally on the grounds that local officials had misinterpreted the voter’s intent. As soon as a ballot is challenged, it is set aside and will not be counted until the Canvassing Board rules on the dispute.
Nov. 26, Coleman Leads by 238 Votes — As the recount moves to precincts favoring Coleman, his lead begins to increase. The Canvassing Board rules it does not have the authority to order local election officials, as requested by the Franken campaign, to reconsider the 12,000 absentee ballots rejected on Election Day. It agrees to discuss the matter further in future meetings.
Dec. 2, Coleman Leads by 340 Votes — Coleman’s lead continues to grow. The campaigns learn that 171 ballots in heavily Democratic Ramsey County were not counted because of a combination of machine and human error. When those votes are counted, Franken picks up 37 votes.
Dec. 3, Coleman Leads by 303 Votes — Minneapolis elections director Cindy Reichert reports that 133 votes cast on Election Day were double counted — that is, they were run twice through the optical scan machines that tabulate the vote. Correcting this error costs Franken about 35 votes, but other aspects of the recount favor Franken. Meanwhile, the number of challenged ballots in the race swells to nearly 6,000. Resolving those challenges, Franken’s attorneys say, actually will give him a 22-vote lead. About 138,000 ballots still must be recounted, officials say.
Dec. 5, Coleman Leads by 192 Votes — Ritchie extends the recount deadline because the 133 ballots cannot be accounted for in Ward 3, Precinct 1. Records show 133 ballots were cast that cannot be located. Not counting the ballots in the Democratic stronghold would cost Franken about 46 votes; the whole point of the recount is to review the actual ballots, however. Ritchie dispatches Deputy Secretary of State Jim Gelbmann to aid in the search and to serve as an official observer. Also, Ritchie asks local election officials statewide to begin identifying and separating absentee ballots that may have been improperly rejected.
Dec. 10, Coleman Leads by 192 Votes — The Minneapolis elections director informs Ritchie that the 133 missing ballots cannot be located. Coleman’s attorneys ask that the fate of the 133 votes be decided in court. Franken’s attorneys want the Canvassing Board to accept the vote tallies recorded on Election Day.
Dec. 11, Coleman Leads by 192 Votes — On the eve of a Canvassing Board meeting to decide how to handle wrongly rejected absentee ballots, Franken submits 62 affidavits from Franken supporters who say they were disenfranchised wrongly when their absentee ballots were denied. Franken also releases a six-minute YouTube video of voters’ stories. The Minneapolis Star-Tribune characterized Franken’s affidavits as “the latest attempt by the campaign to increase the pressure on the board to count absentee ballots that were improperly rejected.”
Dec. 12, Coleman Leads by 192 Votes — By unanimous vote, the five-member Canvassing Board asks all 87 counties to include in their recount votes all absentee ballots deemed to have been rejected improperly. The Coleman campaign, concerned that different counties may use different standards for evaluating absentee ballots, asks the state Supreme Court to order a halt to the counting of absentee ballots. In a double-whammy for Coleman, the Board also decides to accept the Election Day vote tally, including the 133 votes missing from Ward 3, Precinct 1.
Dec. 16, Coleman Leads by 192 Votes — The Canvassing Board begins to review challenged ballots. The Board first considers ballots for Coleman that had been challenged by Franken’s attorneys. Most of these ballots are ultimately expected to go to Coleman, which should widen his lead.
Dec. 17, Coleman Leads by 358 Votes — The counting of Franken challenges concludes with Coleman’s lead growing as expected, to 358 votes. The board discusses a Coleman request that as many as 150 duplicate ballots that the campaign believes already have been counted should not be counted again. Ritchie lectures Coleman’s attorneys that the staff is “not happy” to see the issue being raised. Coleman, he said, is asking the board “to settle a question you raised very late and a lot of legal paper came to us late — like a blizzard.”
Dec. 18, Coleman Leads by 5 Votes — The counting begins of ballots for Franken that Coleman had challenged. Franken rapidly cuts into Coleman’s lead, as the Canvassing Board awards the votes. In a stunning setback for Coleman, he leads by a mere 5 votes by day’s end, with more ballot challenges remaining. On one ballot, where the oval next to Franken’s name had been darkened but Franken’s name had been changed to “Frankenstine,” the board voted 3-2 to award the vote to Franken.
Also, another legal decision goes against Coleman: The state Supreme Court rejects his request that the counting of rejected absentee ballots be halted, and orders the two campaigns to agree on which ballots were rejected improperly.
Dec. 19, Franken Leads by 249 Votes — Franken’s campaign continues to steamroll ahead, and for the first time since Nov. 4, Franken leads rather than Coleman. Also, the Canvassing Board rules that the 150 duplicate ballots should be added into the vote totals. The Canvassing Board tells Coleman it will count (or double count) the votes and says he can challenge the board’s decision in court. The Coleman campaign immediately files an appeal with the state Supreme Court. The Coleman campaign predicts the Franken lead is only temporary.
Dec. 20, Franken Leads by 249 Votes — The Franken campaign projects that once all dropped challenges — that is, challenges initially filed but later withdrawn — are added back into the tally, Franken will lead by 35 to 50 votes.
Dec. 24, Franken Leads by 46 Votes — Adding back in the withdrawn challenges helps Coleman, but not enough for him to retake the lead. The state Supreme Court, in a 5-0 opinion, denies a Coleman request to block the Canvassing Board from certifying the election results until the fate of the 150 duplicate ballots can be resolved. However, Coleman will be free to file subsequent legal appeals. Coleman attorney Knaak responds: “We are deeply disappointed.”
Dec. 28, Franken Leads by 46 Votes — Minnesota’s other senator, Democrat Amy Klobuchar, issues a call for the candidate certified the winner by the Canvassing Board to be seated on a provisional basis, even if court challenges are pending.
Dec. 29, Franken Leads by 49 Votes — The Canvassing Board awards a few last outstanding votes, and Franken’s margin increases to 49. Coleman’s campaign identifies 654 absentee ballots in counties where the voting patterns favor the incumbent GOP senator, in addition to the 933 ballots city and county election officials had identified. As expected, the two candidates are unable to agree on which ballots should be counted, and a series of meetings convene around the state to make a determination. Also, a Minneapolis Star-Tribune analysis of the voting trends suggests that counting the rejected absentee ballots probably would favor Franken. The analysis does not include the 654 new ballots Coleman identified.
Dec. 31, Franken Leads by 49 Votes — The Coleman campaign sends a letter to the secretary of state’s office objecting that the process for deciding which absentee ballots were rejected improperly will lead to “an invalid and unreliable election result.” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., suggests Franken is closing in on a victory. “At this stage, it appears that Franken will be certified the winner by the State Canvassing Board,” a statement from Reid’s office declares. That draws a sharp rebuke from GOP leaders. “The American people will see right through Harry Reid’s crass partisan power grab,” says former Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell.
Jan. 2, Franken Leads by 49 Votes — Local election officials send 933 rejected absentee ballots to the secretary of state’s office for counting. Texas GOP Sen. Cornyn warns that Republicans will filibuster any attempt to seat Franken when Congress convenes.
Jan. 5, Franken Leads by 225 Votes — Counting the 933 rejected absentee ballots balloons Franken’s lead. The state Supreme Court rules that it will not order state officials to count 654 other absentee ballots that Coleman says should be included. The Canvassing Board schedules a Monday afternoon meeting to certify a winner.
Weeks of legal disputes are expected to follow the Canvassing Board’s decision.
© 2009 Newsmax. All rights reserved.
Hank, Don’t waste your time with the cut and pasting..no one reads it.
“Maybe this world is another planet’s hell.”—mxyzptlk
Just as I thought, the comment ‘misfit’ chooses illuminates the peace within his own mind and life. No wonder all the hate and vile tongue he exhibits.
Sorry individual, please stay there misfit, you are where you have placed yourself and therefore belong.
Thanks Hank, I enjoyed reading it without looking for it myself.
Mary simply is intimidated by reading anything beyond elementary comment, as usually expressed by her fellow liberals.
“No wonder all the hate and vile tongue he exhibits.”
Clean up your own back yard, Box. You trade insults, hate, and vile as well as anyone.
Hey Hank?
Ha ha ha HA ha.
“Thanks Hank, I enjoyed reading it without looking for it myself.
Mary simply is intimidated by reading anything beyond elementary comment, as usually expressed by her fellow liberals.”
No, the problem is you only read what validates your own opinions. Personally, I’ll read what people wirte themselves…I’d rather listen to an original idea or thought than someone who makes no effort beyond cut and pasting. It’s like someone who tries to make a point by quoting Bible verses.
Bye…off to work.
I haven’t checked out the figures for accuracy but the point is well made and kind of interesting.
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“Do you remember when Puerto Rico was raising heck about the U.S. Navy using that nothing little island just off the coast of Puerto Rico for bombing practices, which they had used for the past 75 years?
Demonstrations were held; Hollywood left wingers, Al Sharpton and his fellow demagogues went down there to demonstrate to get the Navy out.
I am sure it infuriated you just as it did me at the time. Well, here is our revenge. Always be careful what you ask for, you just may get it!
One of the many headaches that the U.S. has had was the Puerto Rican island of Vieques . In the waning years of the Clinton Administration, protesters demanded that the U.S. Navy abandon bombing and naval gunfire exercises that had taken place on the largely uninhabited island for nearly 70 years.
In 2002, th e bombing exercises were transferred to an Air Force bombing range in central Florida not far from Jacksonville and Pensacola Naval Air Stations.
In January, many of the protesters were back in Puerto Rico, celebrating the final bombing exercise on Vieques and waved Puerto Rican flags and placards that read ‘U. S. Navy, get out of Puerto Rico.’
The following February, Rumsfeld announced that the U. S. Navy would close the Roosevelt Roads Naval Air Station in Puerto Rico in 2004, eliminating 1,200 civilian jobs as well as 700 military positions. This naval facility is estimated to have put nearly $300 million annually into the local economy.
The next day, a stunned Governor Sila Calderon held a news conference in San Juan protesting the base closure as a serious blow to the Commonwealth’s fragile economy. The governor stated that ‘the people of Puerto Rico don’t now or never did have an interest in closing the Vieques bombing range or the Roosevelt Roads naval base. We are interested in both staying in Puerto Rico .’
When asked, the Commander-in-Chief, Western Atlantic Command, said, ‘Without Vieques, I see no further need for the facility at Roosevelt Roads. None.’
So, Yankee go home? Fine. But we’ll take our dollars with us. Hasta la vista, baby!
On February 21, the Secretary of Defense also announced that starting this year, the U.S. European Command would begin moving most, if not all, of its active combat and support units from bases in Germany to others being established in Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary and Turkey to ‘better position them for rapid deployment to likely hot spots in those parts of the world.’
Immediately the business and government leaders in the German states of Hesse, Rhineland and Wurttemburg protested the loss of nearly $6 billion in US revenue each year from the bases and manpower to be displaced. A spokesman for the Foreign Ministry speculated that the move might be ‘what the Americans call ‘payback’ for the actions of this government in opposing military action in Iraq .’
‘Does anyone know the German translation for: ‘Hasta la vista, baby?’ I think ‘Aufwiedersehen’ is a good translation.
Oh, isn’t it nice to see a government with guts and a good memory???
Also, here are some statistics and conclusions about a different subject.
If you consider that there has been an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theater of operations during the last 22 months, and a total of 2,112 deaths, when this was written) that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers.
The firearm death rate in Washington D. C. is 80.6 per 100,000 for the same period. (…And that was while handguns were outlawed!!)
That means that you are about 25% more likely to be shot and killed in the U. S. Capitol, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation, than you are in Iraq.”
Conclusion: Just maybe the U.S. should pull out of Washington
“Clean up your own back yard, Box. You trade insults, hate, and vile as well as anyone.”
Well thank you Mary, I’ll take that as a complement, as I rarely start the insults, but simply respond to ones thrown at me.
You hate to read Mary?
That’s pretty scary you being a nurse and all.
I remain interested in ideas and articles brought to the blog by those that find them and think they are interesting enough to share.
Frankly the ideas expressed originating from many of the bloggers here are simply not worth the time to read.
Hey Mary?
STILL think those idiots can be worked with?
Bye…off to work.—Mary
BlueJay, why don’t you go off to gainful work too?
It might help your attitude and situation in life.
I might ask the same of you bawks.
All you SAY you have and little ol’ me can so easily blow you up?
Mary:
“Me, too. DC is my favorite city.”
I was in Chevy Chase, Maryland, when last there. I was struck by how many private security people there were. I don’t think I ever walked 100 steps without coming under the scrutiny of a private security person.
But, the weather in September was beautiful. The people were very friendly, even though I was obviously a rube.
“All you SAY you have and little ol’ me can so easily blow you up?”–BJ
Only in your own twisted mind BJ, only in your own delusional mind.
Hey BJ, here is another example of the type of people you seem to be throwing your lot with…
“Hamas leader warned that the Islamists would kill Jewish children anywhere in the world in revenge for Israel’s devastating assault.”
Intentionally going after innocent children….they are animals.
Innocent people are killed in war, especially when the instruments of war are intentionally placed among their own citizens to hide and attempt to protect those instruments of war.
To intentionally target children is a world crime.
More about outlander’s “I decided it merited posting for discussion’s sake” post, aka carbon diZERO.
‘Harold Ambler’s Huffington Post climate misinformation-ganza’
http://www.desmogblog.com/harold-ambler-huffington-post-global-warming-misinformation
Also read, ‘HuffPost scores a 100 on the Inhofe Scale’ at the Get Energy Now link at above page.
An interesting piece on Huffington Post, of all places, from an author researching a book on the politics of global warming. Even the lefties are starting to have their doubters.
This is the article that Cosmos doesn’t want anyone to read. He wants to censor folks from posting any opinion piece contrary to his global warming religion. Which is why I am posting it. Watch for his reaction.
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Mr. Gore: Apology Accepted
You are probably wondering whether President-elect Obama owes the world an apology for his actions regarding global warming. The answer is, not yet. There is one person, however, who does. You have probably guessed his name: Al Gore.
Mr. Gore has stated, regarding climate change, that “the science is in.” Well, he is absolutely right about that, except for one tiny thing. It is the biggest whopper ever sold to the public in the history of humankind.
What is wrong with the statement? A brief list:
1. First, the expression “climate change” itself is a redundancy, and contains a lie. Climate has always changed, and always will. There has been no stable period of climate during the Holocene, our own climatic era, which began with the end of the last ice age 12,000 years ago. During the Holocene there have been numerous sub-periods with dramatically varied climate, such as the warm Holocene Optimum (7,000 B.C. to 3,000 B.C., during which humanity began to flourish, and advance technologically), the warm Roman Optimum (200 B.C. to 400 A.D., a time of abundant crops that promoted the empire), the cold Dark Ages (400 A.D. to 900 A.D., during which the Nile River froze, major cities were abandoned, the Roman Empire fell apart, and pestilence and famine were widespread), the Medieval Warm Period (900 A.D. to 1300 A.D., during which agriculture flourished, wealth increased, and dozens of lavish examples of Gothic architecture were created), the Little Ice Age (1300 to 1850, during much of which plague, crop failures, witch burnings, food riots — and even revolutions, including the French Revolution — were the rule of thumb), followed by our own time of relative warmth (1850 to present, during which population has increased, technology and medical advances have been astonishing, and agriculture has flourished).
So, no one needs to say the words “climate” and “change” in the same breath — it is assumed, by anyone with any level of knowledge, that climate changes. That is the redundancy to which I alluded. The lie is the suggestion that climate has ever been stable. Mr. Gore has used a famously inaccurate graph, known as the “Mann Hockey Stick,” created by the scientist Michael Mann, showing that the modern rise in temperatures is unprecedented, and that the dramatic changes in climate just described did not take place. They did. One last thought on the expression “climate change”: It is a retreat from the earlier expression used by alarmists, “manmade global warming,” which was more easily debunked. There are people in Mr. Gore’s camp who now use instances of cold temperatures to prove the existence of “climate change,” which is absurd, obscene, even.
2. Mr. Gore has gone so far to discourage debate on climate as to refer to those who question his simplistic view of the atmosphere as “flat-Earthers.” This, too, is right on target, except for one tiny detail. It is exactly the opposite of the truth.
Indeed, it is Mr. Gore and his brethren who are flat-Earthers. Mr. Gore states, ad nauseum, that carbon dioxide rules climate in frightening and unpredictable, and new, ways. When he shows the hockey stick graph of temperature and plots it against reconstructed C02 levels in An Inconvenient Truth, he says that the two clearly have an obvious correlation. “Their relationship is actually very complicated,” he says, “but there is one relationship that is far more powerful than all the others, and it is this: When there is more carbon dioxide, the temperature gets warmer.” The word “complicated” here is among the most significant Mr. Gore has uttered on the subject of climate and is, at best, a deliberate act of obfuscation. Why? Because it turns out that there is an 800-year lag between temperature and carbon dioxide, unlike the sense conveyed by Mr. Gore’s graph. You are probably wondering by now — and if you are not, you should be — which rises first, carbon dioxide or temperature. The answer? Temperature. In every case, the ice-core data shows that temperature rises precede rises in carbon dioxide by, on average, 800 years. In fact, the relationship is not “complicated.” When the ocean-atmosphere system warms, the oceans discharge vast quantities of carbon dioxide in a process known as de-gassing. For this reason, warm and cold years show up on the Mauna Loa C02 measurements even in the short term. For instance, the post-Pinatubo-eruption year of 1993 shows the lowest C02 increase since measurements have been kept. When did the highest C02 increase take place? During the super El Niño year of 1998.
3. What the alarmists now state is that past episodes of warming were not caused by C02 but amplified by it, which is debatable, for many reasons, but, more important, is a far cry from the version of events sold to the public by Mr. Gore.
Meanwhile, the theory that carbon dioxide “drives” climate in any meaningful way is simply wrong and, again, evidence of a “flat-Earth” mentality. Carbon dioxide cannot absorb an unlimited amount of infrared radiation. Why not? Because it only absorbs heat along limited bandwidths, and is already absorbing just about everything it can. That is why plotted on a graph, C02’s ability to capture heat follows a logarithmic curve. We are already very near the maximum absorption level. Further, the IPCC Fourth Assessment, like all the ones before it, is based on computer models that presume a positive feedback of atmospheric warming via increased water vapor.
4. This mechanism has never been shown to exist. Indeed, increased temperature leads to increased evaporation of the oceans, which leads to increased cloud cover (one cooling effect) and increased precipitation (a bigger cooling effect). Within certain bounds, in other words, the ocean-atmosphere system has a very effective self-regulating tendency. By the way, water vapor is far more prevalent, and relevant, in the atmosphere than carbon dioxide — a trace gas. Water vapor’s absorption spectrum also overlays that of carbon dioxide. They cannot both absorb the same energy! The relative might of water vapor and relative weakness of carbon dioxide is exemplified by the extraordinary cooling experienced each night in desert regions, where water in the atmosphere is nearly non-existent.
If not carbon dioxide, what does “drive” climate? I am glad you are wondering about that. In the short term, it is ocean cycles, principally the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, the “super cycle” of which cooling La Niñas and warming El Niños are parts. Having been in its warm phase, in which El Niños predominate, for the 30 years ending in late 2006, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation switched to its cool phase, in which La Niñas predominate.
Since that time, already, a number of interesting things have taken place. One La Niña lowered temperatures around the globe for about half of the year just ended, and another La Niña shows evidence of beginning in the equatorial Pacific waters. During the last twelve months, many interesting cold-weather events happened to occur: record snow in the European Alps, China, New Zealand, Australia, Brazil, the Pacific Northwest, Alaska, the Rockies, the upper Midwest, Las Vegas, Houston, and New Orleans. There was also, for the first time in at least 100 years, snow in Baghdad.
Concurrent with the switchover of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation to its cool phase the Sun has entered a period of deep slumber. The number of sunspots for 2008 was the second lowest of any year since 1901. That matters less because of fluctuations in the amount of heat generated by the massive star in our near proximity (although there are some fluctuations that may have some measurable effect on global temperatures) and more because of a process best described by the Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark in his complex, but elegant, work The Chilling Stars. In the book, the modern Galileo, for he is nothing less, establishes that cosmic rays from deep space seed clouds over Earth’s oceans. Regulating the number of cosmic rays reaching Earth’s atmosphere is the solar wind; when it is strong, we get fewer cosmic rays. When it is weak, we get more. As NASA has corroborated, the number of cosmic rays passing through our atmosphere is at the maximum level since measurements have been taken, and show no signs of diminishing. The result: the seeding of what some have taken to calling “Svensmark clouds,” low dense clouds, principally over the oceans, that reflect sunlight back to space before it can have its warming effect on whatever is below.
Svensmark has proven, in the minds of most who have given his work a full hearing, that it is this very process that produced the episodes of cooling (and, inversely, warming) of our own era and past eras. The clearest instance of the process, by far, is that of the Maunder Minimum, which refers to a period from 1650 to 1700, during which the Sun had not a single spot on its face. Temperatures around the globe plummeted, with quite adverse effects: crop failures (remember the witch burnings in Europe and Massachusetts?), famine, and societal stress.
Many solar physicists anticipate that the slumbering Sun of early 2009 is likely to continue for at least two solar cycles, or about the next 25 years. Whether the Grand Solar Minimum, if it comes to pass, is as serious as the Maunder Minimum is not knowable, at present. Major solar minima (and maxima, such as the one during the second half of the 20th century) have also been shown to correlate with significant volcanic eruptions. These are likely the result of solar magnetic flux affecting geomagnetic flux, which affects the distribution of magma in Earth’s molten iron core and under its thin mantle. So, let us say, just for the sake of argument, that such an eruption takes place over the course of the next two decades. Like all major eruptions, this one will have a temporary cooling effect on global temperatures, perhaps a large one. The larger the eruption, the greater the effect. History shows that periods of cold are far more stressful to humanity than periods of warm. Would the eruption and consequent cooling be a climate-modifier that exists outside of nature, somehow? Who is the “flat-Earther” now?
What about heat escaping from volcanic vents in the ocean floor? What about the destruction of warming, upper-atmosphere ozone by cosmic rays? I could go on, but space is short. Again, who is the “flat-Earther” here?
The ocean-atmosphere system is not a simple one that can be “ruled” by a trace atmospheric gas. It is a complex, chaotic system, largely modulated by solar effects (both direct and indirect), as shown by the Little Ice Age.
To be told, as I have been, by Mr. Gore, again and again, that carbon dioxide is a grave threat to humankind is not just annoying, by the way, although it is that! To re-tool our economies in an effort to suppress carbon dioxide and its imaginary effect on climate, when other, graver problems exist is, simply put, wrong. Particulate pollution, such as that causing the Asian brown cloud, is a real problem. Two billion people on Earth living without electricity, in darkened huts and hovels polluted by charcoal smoke, is a real problem.
So, let us indeed start a Manhattan Project-like mission to create alternative sources of energy. And, in the meantime, let us neither cripple our own economy by mislabeling carbon dioxide a pollutant nor discourage development in the Third World, where suffering continues unabated, day after day.
Again, Mr. Gore, I accept your apology.
And, Mr. Obama, though I voted for you for a thousand times a thousand reasons, I hope never to need one from you.
P.S. One of the last, desperate canards proposed by climate alarmists is that of the polar ice caps. Look at the “terrible,” “unprecedented” melting in the Arctic in the summer of 2007, they say. Well, the ice in the Arctic basin has always melted and refrozen, and always will. Any researcher who wants to find a single molecule of ice that has been there longer than 30 years is going to have a hard job, because the ice has always been melted from above (by the midnight Sun of summer) and below (by relatively warm ocean currents, possibly amplified by volcanic venting) — and on the sides, again by warm currents. Scientists in the alarmist camp have taken to referring to “old ice,” but, again, this is a misrepresentation of what takes place in the Arctic.
More to the point, 2007 happened also to be the time of maximum historic sea ice in Antarctica. (There are many credible sources of this information, such as the following website maintained by the University of Illinois-Urbana: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.anom.south.jpg). Why, I ask, has Mr. Gore not chosen to mention the record growth of sea ice around Antarctica? If the record melting in the Arctic is significant, then the record sea ice growth around Antarctica is, too, I say. If one is insignificant, then the other one is, too.
For failing to mention the 2007 Antarctic maximum sea ice record a single time, I also accept your apology, Mr. Gore. By the way, your contention that the Arctic basin will be “ice free” in summer within five years (which you said last month in Germany), is one of the most demonstrably false comments you have dared to make. Thank you for that!
Thank you for that, Outlander.
Cosmo’s head blows up in 3…2…1
Causing more warming.
outlander posted January 6, 2009 at 7:04 am
It’s C-ZERO-2 — search the page for “C0? (letter “C”, number “0?)
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No it’s not. Cosmos, you must be Chas’ brother.
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Outlander, are you a computer illiterate? Or just trying to get more hits to the HuffPo link?
The musician/boat rowing book author DOES spell CO2 incorrectly as C02 (number ZERO).
Go to your copy/paste post.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/01/open-thread-14-2/#comment-496586
Open the HuffPo link in your browser.
Click on your browser’s find or search feature.
Enter the character c
Enter the NUMBER 0
Hit “enter” or click “start”, or similar if browser requires.
Use the “Find Again” feature.
You will find C-ZERO-2 6 (six) times:
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reconstructed C02 levels
Mauna Loa C02 measurements
lowest C02 increase
highest C02 increase
by C02 but
graph, C02’s ability
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KABOOM!!!
““Hamas leader warned that the Islamists would kill Jewish children anywhere in the world in revenge for Israel’s devastating assault.”
Is that supposed to shock me?
It IS war. And your own book is full of war, genocide, slavery, etc. that seems perfectly ok depending on who is practicing it.
BlueJay sings with irony…
Gimme some of that old time religion.
Oh and here is the link. If you care, you can view the article in your browser, to plainly see that the author wrote “Co2″ for carbon dioxide. So, though the Typepad converts “Co2″ to “C02″ it is nonsense for Cosmos to say that the author didn’t know how to type it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harold-ambler/mr-gore-apology-accepted_b_154982.html
cosmos raises the bar on the definition of being anal retentive.
outlander posted January 6, 2009 at 8:21 am
This is the article that Cosmos doesn’t want anyone to read. He wants to censor folks from posting any opinion piece contrary to his global warming religion. Which is why I am posting it. Watch for his reaction.
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You are very confused, outlander.
I want people to read the post that you said “merited posting for discussion’s sake”.
I want them to compare it to truth about climate science.
I want them to wonder why you are so 100% clueless about climate science, and why you are unable to learn anything about it.
Or wonder if you are a liar, and deliberately spreading falsehoods.
But what I guess Cosmos is trying to do, by being nitpicky, is to change the focus from the substance of the article. Which tells me that we should read it carefully. It may change our opinion.
outlander,
Would you like to “discuss” my earlier post?
cosmos_originally posted January 4, 2009 at 9:21 pm
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/01/open-thread-14-2/#comment-497110
outlander posted at 8:58 am, “for discussion’s sake”,
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“When the ocean-atmosphere system warms, the oceans discharge vast quantities of carbon dioxide in a process known as de-gassing. For this reason, warm and cold years show up on the Mauna Loa C02 measurements even in the short term. For instance, the post-Pinatubo-eruption year of 1993 shows the lowest C02 increase since measurements have been kept. When did the highest C02 increase take place? During the super El Niño year of 1998.”
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Does the musician and boat rowing book author have a scientific paper supporting his claim that the CO2 increase in 1997/98 was caused by “de-gassing” of the oceans?
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/environment/ElNINO_FIRES.html
“Wildfires seem to ignite the geological version of the big belch. During El Niño, vast areas of the tropic regions dry out and become vulnerable to fire. During the 1997/1998 El Niño, wildfires ravaged huge areas in Latin America and Southeast Asia, belching large quantities of carbon dioxide (CO2) and methane into the air.
“We found that a large part of the [carbon dioxide] increases [were] the result of increased fire activity,” said Guido R. van der Werf, of NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center.”
“…it is nonsense for Cosmos to say that the author didn’t know how to type it.”
Cosmo could have refuted it anyway she wanted, but she went with the “spelled it wrong” argument.
I suppose it could get weaker, but I’m not sure how.
I want people to read the post that you said “merited posting for discussion’s sake”.
I want them to compare it to truth about climate science.
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Well good. We want the same thing. Please demonstrate that spirit. Enough said.
“said Guido R. van der Werf, of NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center.””
Guido? Now you’re just making stuff up.
outlander posted January 6, 2009 at 8:42 am
But what I guess Cosmos is trying to do, by being nitpicky, is to change the focus from the substance of the article. Which tells me that we should read it carefully. It may change our opinion.
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I’m not trying to “change the focus from the substance of the article”, outlander.
I WANT people carefully read the article you copy/pasted.
Then I WANT them to carefully compare each point it makes to what climate science actually says.
A good starting point,
‘Harold Ambler’s Huffington Post climate misinformation-ganza’
http://www.desmogblog.com/harold-ambler-huffington-post-global-warming-misinformation
Also read, ‘HuffPost scores a 100 on the Inhofe Scale’ at the Get Energy Now link at above page.
today’s history lesson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaH0Ws8RtSc
I love the complete stupidity of people like you Mary.
As you accuse someone of reading only what validates their own opinions you claim that you ignore anything my father posts.
LOL, hypocritical idiot.
outlander posted January 6, 2009 at 8:33 am
So, though the Typepad converts “Co2? to “C02? it is nonsense for Cosmos to say that the author didn’t know how to type it.
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Typepad does not “convert” a “o” to a “0″. Each character has a unique code.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascii
“Typepad does not “convert” a “o” to a “0?. Each character has a unique code.”
I guess it can get weaker.
Regular
Posted January 6, 2009 at 8:34 am | Permalink
cosmos raises the bar on the definition of being anal retentive.
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As the right wing posters continue their obsessive compulsive commenting on cosmos’s obsessive-compulsiveness. Too funny!!! :-)
“Hamas leader warned that the Islamists would kill Jewish children anywhere in the world in revenge for Israel’s devastating assault.”
“Is that supposed to shock me?
It IS war. And your own book is full of war, genocide, slavery, etc. that seems perfectly ok depending on who is practicing it.”—BlueJay
War is war, and things get blown up and people hurt which is bad, but the intentional targeting of innocent children, even outside the war zone is murder. Big difference.
BJ, again you show yourself to be the disgusting immoral reprobate that you consistently show yourself to be.
There are few people in the world I have zero respect for, but you are at the top of any list I could compose.
In case you are so ignorant as to need a definition for ‘reprobate’, as I suspect, let me help:
rep·ro·bate (rpr-bt)
n.
1. A morally unprincipled person.
2. One who is predestined to damnation.
adj.
1. Morally unprincipled; shameless.
2. Rejected by God and without hope of salvation.
tr.v. rep·ro·bat·ed, rep·ro·bat·ing, rep·ro·bates
1. To disapprove of; condemn.
2. To abandon to eternal damnation. Used of God.
Anyone already point this out to Cosmos yet?
Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979
“Rapid growth spurt leaves amount of ice at levels seen 29 years ago.
Thanks to a rapid rebound in recent months, global sea ice levels now equal those seen 29 years ago, when the year 1979 also drew to a close.
Ice levels had been tracking lower throughout much of 2008, but rapidly recovered in the last quarter. In fact, the rate of increase from September onward is the fastest rate of change on record, either upwards or downwards.
The data is being reported by the University of Illinois’s Arctic Climate Research Center, and is derived from satellite observations of the Northern and Southern hemisphere polar regions.”
Link:
http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=13834
“Well thank you Mary, I’ll take that as a complement, as I rarely start the insults, but simply respond to ones thrown at me.”
hehehe. And bigotbawks proves again that he is NEVER at fault. It’s always someone else who FORCES him to do the evil he does.
I wonder which church condones that? Must the same one that condones deliberate lying.
So much for the conservative “culture of personal responsibility”.
I’m running out of mouse grease this morning with all this cut and paste. Has everyone forgotten how to post links?
KFG,
The church you are speaking of which condones lying and name calling and swearing is most likly the one Chas is going to.
I would talk to him about that.
“I wonder which church condones that? Must the same one that condones deliberate lying.”
That would be the Church of chas-ology.
You beat me to it, Nathan!
outlander posted January 6, 2009 at 8:21 am
An interesting piece on Huffington Post, of all places, from an author researching a book on the politics of global warming.
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3. What the alarmists now state is that past episodes of warming were not caused by C02(sic) but amplified by it, which is debatable, for many reasons, but, more important, is a far cry from the version of events sold to the public by Mr. Gore.
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FALSE. The amplifying was predicted BEFORE the ice-core data showed the temperature lag.
outlander, Harold Ambler should research the science of global warming.
‘The lag between temperature and CO2. (Gore’s got it right.)‘
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/04/the-lag-between-temp-and-co2/langswitch_lang/in
“Second, the idea that there might be a lag of CO2 concentrations behind temperature change (during glacial-interglacial climate changes) is hardly new to the climate science community.
Indeed, Claude Lorius, Jim Hansen and others essentially predicted this finding fully 17 years ago, in a landmark paper that addressed the cause of temperature change observed in Antarctic ice core records, well before the data showed that CO2 might lag temperature. In that paper (Lorius et al., 1990), they say that:
changes in the CO2 and CH4 content have played a significant part in the glacial-interglacial climate changes by amplifying, together with the growth and decay of the Northern Hemisphere ice sheets, the relatively weak orbital forcing.”
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‘Harold Ambler’s Huffington Post climate misinformation-ganza’
http://www.desmogblog.com/harold-ambler-huffington-post-global-warming-misinformation
Wanna talk about killing children? Civilians? Israel seems to have lots of blood on its hands when it comes to those two activities.
“GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — Palestinian medical officials say at least 12 people are dead in an Israeli airstrike outside a U.N. school in the northern Gaza Strip.
It is the second deadly Israeli airstrike to hit a U.N. school in the past few hours.
Palestinian health official Said Joudeh confirmed the death toll from the airstrike in the northern Gaza town of Jebaliya. He says the school was turned into a shelter for people displaced by Israel’s offensive against Hamas militants.
More than 500 people have been killed in the 11-day operation, including dozens of civilians.
Israel isn’t commenting on Tuesday’s airstrikes. But it has accused Hamas of using schools, mosques and residential areas for cover.”
I’m sure the death and destruction apologists will have plenty of excuses for israel.
Jesus WEPT!
All in the name of “god”…..
Nathaniel posted January 6, 2009 at 9:20 am
Anyone already point this out to Cosmos yet?
Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979
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Twice, yesterday.
New, thin ice melts faster than thicker multi-year ice.
I had a phone conversation with a very wise eighty year old who agrees that while religion does SOME good in the world, most of the world’s evils stem from the worship of someone’s sky god.
He/she must be ever so proud of the death caused in their name….
Heheeh. Right on cue, the other “good christians” defend bigotbawks and his lying by attacking chas.
How very “christian” of you….
KFG,
Yeah, if we ignore all those secular killings by communism, pol pot, and many other evil men, sure…
Try getting an education on world history there KFG.
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StevenEDavis
Posted January 6, 2009 at 9:11 am | Permalink
Regular
Posted January 6, 2009 at 8:34 am | Permalink
cosmos raises the bar on the definition of being anal retentive.
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As the right wing posters continue their obsessive compulsive commenting on cosmos’s obsessive-compulsiveness. Too funny!!! :-)
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You should give up trying to utilize anything related to psychology, you suck at it.
I just love how all these big, upstanding men take personal responsibility for what they do.
Heheheh. Blame someone else.
Which church is that?
Keep it up cosMo. You’re only proving how zealous you are. What are you going to do with all those carbon credits, have a fire sale?
ksfarmgrrl
Posted January 6, 2009 at 9:29 am | Permalink
Heheeh. Right on cue, the other “good christians” defend bigotbawks and his lying by attacking chas.
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And kfg, exactly what standards do we hold you to?
Or do you have one standard for yourself and a higher test for others?
Trying to sequester saints on a blog? Go fish girl, it ain’t happening.
“Israel isn’t commenting on Tuesday’s airstrikes. But it has accused Hamas of using schools, mosques and residential areas for cover.”
Typical Lib. “It’s OK to use schools for cover”
Bonehead said-
Jesus WEPT!
All in the name of “god”…..
No, all in the name of stopping Hamas rocket attacks on its own people.
Where would YOU like them to shelter their civilians fleetie?
We’ll wait for your answer.
In the meantime, I dont think it would matter WHERE the civilians went. The death and destruction loving people of god, known as israel, would bomb them no matter where they sheltered.
Any civilian shelter = cover for militants
The gospel according to israel.
Bulloney heckie.
Both palestine and israel are fighting based on their religions.
Hence, all in the name of god…
If those religions ceased to exist, the fighting might stop.
As would most of the world’s evil.
“…have a fire sale?”
She can’t have a fire sale, you lieing stupid idiot fool. Don’t you know that would DESTROY THE EARTH!!!!!!!!
Once again, I would talk to Chas about a church where they teach you to blame someone else.
From what I have heard he is one of their leaders too.
“If those religions ceased to exist, the fighting might stop.”
Right Kumbaya. If your aunt had balls, she would have been your uncle.
KFG,
Spoken like the ignorant person you are. As if men would cease doing evil because there was no religion.
Wow, talk about ignorant and naive.
Please repost where I have defended myself by saying someone else FORCED me to post something.
Take responsibility for your own posts, and actions, without saying “waaaaaa, mommy, he made me do it”.
If you think I’ve done that, please repost.
I dont lie and I dont blame others for anything I choose to do. Feel free to hold me to that standard.
“Where would YOU like them to shelter their civilians fleetie?”
Well, it wouldn’t be next to the armory.
Heheheh nathan. Well, I’m not a liar or a killer.
And you?
So that would be another “I have no clue” from you fleetie? Tell us, where WOULD you shelter civilians?
Heheheh. He cant answer that.
KFG,
So, you revel in the freedom provided to you by those that would defend you in the military and Police by mocking them for being killers?
Idiot.
I suppose you would just sit there and die if someone was trying to kill you or someone you love?
“Once again, I would talk to Chas about a church where they teach you to blame someone else.”
Thanks for proving you cant defend yourself or anyone else without blaming chas.
Nice work. I dont have to say much. You say it all with posts like that.
Right Kumbaya. If your aunt had balls, she would have been your uncle.
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Not necessarily so in Farmgirl’s case.
KFG,
Why don’t you move to the Middle East somewhere and be as militantly gay as you are here.
Lets see how long it takes before someone kills you and then you can whine about living in a free country where people are willing to fight for your freedoms and you can mock them for doing so.
Hee hee heeeeee.
Mary is stupid. I’m ignorant. Nathan routinely uses similar terms for Linda and Pmom.
Geez, does he hate women or WHAT?
Sounds like repressed homosexuality to me. Kinda like phred phelps.
KFG,
I like okobserver. No problem with women at all. I am not sure I would consider you one either.
What role do you play in your relationship?
I love it. These guys whine about me and anyone who doesnt worship their god of death and misery.
But they still cant answer the questions about where civilians should be sheltered.
Or why con posters always blame their worst posts on someone else.
Must just be weakness not to be able to take personal responsibility.
hehehhe. Dance poodles, dance.
Remind me. Which church says it’s ok to call people who disagree with you stupid and ignorant?
He’ll blame chas in three…two…one….\
If you are so proud of all your kills, why dont you just give us a count? How many notches are on your belt?
All in the name of god….
Bonehead said-
“Bulloney heckie.
Both palestine and israel are fighting based on their religions.”
Guess what happens when the Palestinians stop trying to kill Israelis? The fighting stops. Guess what started this latest round of violence.
Hamas rockets.
Your hatred of religion is seriously fowling your ability to think rationally today.
Hee hee heeeee….
Dance boy dance.
” No problem with women at all. I am not sure I would consider you one either.
What role do you play in your relationship?”
Very phred like.
I play the role of loving equal partner.
And you?
OMG, I am HOWLING.
“Guess what happens when the Palestinians stop trying to kill Israelis? The fighting stops. Guess what started this latest round of violence.”
Heckie proves again that he and his cant defend anything without blaming the other guy first.
It’s all about religion on both sides. I think I said that before. It is, real slow for you now, their religions that started all this.
…and has anyone else noticed that not one of these big religious men can answer the question of where civilians SHOULD be sheltered?
“Sounds like repressed homosexuality to me. Kinda like phred phelps.”
Making fun of homos is not helpful.
“There are few people in the world I have zero respect for, but you are at the top of any list I could compose.”
I don’t give YOU that much credit bawks.
But coming from you?
Thanks!
SO fleetie, still cant answer the question of where civilians should be sheltered?
heheheheheh
nitwit
“…answer the question of where civilians SHOULD be sheltered?”
It’s too easy. ANY PLACE
Any place? Like schools?
Thanks for proving you dont even read your own posts.
Smart man.
Or maybe…
You mean anyplace because, ANYPLACE that civilians are sheltered, the god loving israeli army will hunt them down and kill them.
I think you may be right on that.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted January 6, 2009 at 9:44 am | Permalink
Hee hee heeeeee.
Mary is stupid. I’m ignorant. Nathan routinely uses similar terms for Linda and Pmom.
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I can go highbrow pseudo-lib speak and clean it u for you.
How about willfully benighted? :D
Let’s try that again.
ANY PLACE in the open. Any place that is not a military target. Typical Lib: Blaming the goods guys for killing civilians who the bad guys hide behind their skirts.
Since when did SCHOOLS become military targets?
What is NOT a military target when it comes to those god loving israelis?
Please list what is recognized as a non military target if not schools?
Churches?
heheh. HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH!
And WTF? How do you “shelter” someone out in the open. In case you cant read, it’s cold over there right now. Please look up the meaning of the word “shelter”.
I dont think it includes “out in the open”.
nitwit
BDP
‘On Global Warming is it Harold Ambler or the Royal Society? ‘
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kevin-grandia/on-global-warming-is-it-h_b_155379.html
‘Climate Change‘
http://royalsociety.org/landing.asp?id=1278
I think I was correct at 9:59
“You mean anyplace because, ANYPLACE that civilians are sheltered, the god loving israeli army will hunt them down and kill them.”
Where civilians should be sheltered? Are you serious?
If you are going to construct a ’straw man’ to tear down you should at least try and make it a little more realistic! Women and children are only valuable to Hamas when they can parade their bloody bodies through the streets to make a political statement.
Shelter civilians? Dammit woman, Hamas hides behind their women and children! They set up rocket launcers in school yards. They hide their munitions in mosques.
You are an incredible nitwit!
“Since when did SCHOOLS become military targets?”
Since when are skools RPG nests?
If the hide in the schools with the children and refuges, woe unto them!
Israel will take them all out, I think they strive to keep a hundred to one kill ratio.
My my.
Annie Coulter’s new target is single mothers.
Previous targets being 911 widows among others.
She’s like Fred Phelps, continually trying to top herself for being despicable.
At least we know the WHY for the new target. Annie’s got a dry hole. She didn’t or can’t reproduce. (Whew) But she’s gonna take it out on anyone that could or can.
Sure they may be targeting schools and places of worship, but at least they aren’t blowing up any janitors in otherwise empty aspirin factories!
Coulter not reproducing must be an act of God.
Someone else made this point already, but falling on deaf ears, again.
http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=8011
160 Million People Killed!!!!!!!
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Numbers that never get mentioned in the media;
1860-65: American civil war (360,000)
1886-1908: Belgium-Congo Free State (3 million)
1899-02: British-Boer war (100,000)
1904: Germany vs Namibia (65,000)
1904-05: Japan vs Russia (150,000)
1910-20: Mexican revolution (250,000)
1911: Chinese Revolution (2.4 million)
1911-12: Italian-Ottoman war (20,000)
1912-13: Balkan wars (150,000)
1915: the Ottoman empire slaughters Armenians (1.2 million)
1914-18: World War I (8 million)
1917-21: Soviet revolution (5 million)
1928-37: Chinese civil war (2 million)
1931: Japanese Manchurian War (1.1 million)
1934: Mao’s Long March (170,000)
1936: Italy’s invasion of Ethiopia (200,000)
1936-37: Stalin’s purges (13 million)
1936-39: Spanish civil war (600,000)
1939-45: World War II (55 million) including holocaust and Chinese revolution
1946-49: Chinese civil war (1.2 million)
1946-49: Greek civil war (50,000)
1946-54: France-Vietnam war (600,000)
1947: Partition of India and Pakistan (1 million)
1948-1973: Arab-Israeli wars (70,000)
1948-: Kashmir’s civil war (40,000)
1949-: Indian Muslims vs Hindus (20,000)
1950-53: Korean war (4 million)
1952-59: Kenya’s Mau Mau insurrection (20,000)
1954-62: French-Algerian war (1 million)
1958-61: Mao’s “Great Leap Forward” (30 million)
1960-90: South Africa vs Africa National Congress (?)
1961-2003: Kurds vs Iraq (180,000)
1962-75: Mozambique Frelimo vs Portugal (?)
1964-73: USA-Vietnam war (3 million)
1965: second India-Pakistan war over Kashmir
1965-66: Indonesian civil war (200,000)
1966-69: Mao’s “Cultural Revolution” (11 million)
1966-: Colombia’s civil war (31,000)
1967-70: Nigeria-Biafra civil war (800,000)
1968-80: Rhodesia’s civil war (?)
1969-79: Idi Amin, Uganda (300,000)
1969-02: IRA – Norther Ireland’s civil war (2,000)
1969-79: Francisco Macias Nguema, Equatorial Guinea (50,000)
1971: Pakistan-Bangladesh civil war (500,000)
1972-: Philippines vs Muslim separatists (120,000)
1972: Burundi’s civil war (300,000)
1972-79: Rhodesia/Zimbabwe’s civil war (30,000)
1974-91: Ethiopian civil war (1,000,000)
1975-78: Menghitsu, Ethiopia (1.5 million)
1975-79: Khmer Rouge, Cambodia (1.7 million)
1975-89: Boat people, Vietnam (250,000)
1975-90: civil war in Lebanon (40,000)
1975-87: Laos’ civil war (184,000)
1975-2002: Angolan civil war (500,000)
1976-83: Argentina’s military regime (20,000
1976-93: Mozambique’s civil war (900,000)
1976-98: Indonesia-East Timor civil war (600,000)
1976-: Indonesia-Aceh (GAM) civil war (12,000)
1979: Vietnam-China war (30,000)
1979-88: the Soviet Union invades Afghanistan (1.3 million)
1980-88: Iraq-Iran war (1 million)
1980-92: Sendero Luminoso – Peru’s civil war (69,000)
1980-92: El Salvador’s civil war (100,000)
1980-99: Kurds vs Turkey (35,000)
1982-90: Hissene Habre, Chad (40,000)
1983-2002: Sri Lanka’s civil war (64,000)
1983-2002: Sudanese civil war (2 million)
1987-: Palestinian Intifada (4,500)
1988-2001: Afghanistan civil war (400,000)
1988-2004: Somalia’s civil war (550,000)
1989-: Liberian civil war (220,000)
1989-: Uganda vs Lord’s Resistance Army (30,000)
1991: Gulf War – large coalition against Iraq to liberate Kuwait (85,000)
1991-97: Congo’s civil war (800,000)
1991-2000: Sierra Leone’s civil war (200,000)
1991-: Russia-Chechnya civil war (200,000)
1991-94: Armenia-Azerbaijan war (35,000)
1992-96: Tajikstan’s civil war war (50,000)
1992-96: Yugoslavia’s civil war (200,000)
1992-99: Algerian civil war (150,000)
1993-97: Congo Brazzaville’s civil war (100,000)
1993-: Burundi’s civil war (200,000)
1994: Rwanda’s civil war (900,000)
1995-: Pakistani Sunnis vs Shiites (1,300)
1995-: Maoist rebellion in Nepal (10,000)
1998-: Congo/Zaire’s war – Rwanda and Uganda vs Zimbabwe, Angola and Namibia (3.8 million)
1998-2000: Ethiopia-Eritrea war (75,000)
1999: Kosovo’s liberation war – NATO vs Serbia (2,000)
2001: Afghanistan’s liberation war – USA & UK vs Taliban (25,000)
2002-: Cote d’Ivoire’s civil war (1,000)
2003: Iraq’s liberation war – USA, UK and Australia vs Saddam Hussein (14,000)
2003-: Sudan vs Darfur (180,000)
2003-: Iraq’s civil war (100,000)
Arab-Israeli wars
* I (1947-49): 6,373 Israeli and 15,000 Arabs die
* II (1956): 231 Israeli and 3,000 Egyptians die
* III (1967): 776 Israeli and 20,000 Arabs die
* IV (1973): 2,688 Israeli and 18,000 Arabs die
* Intifada I (1987-92): 170 Israelis and 1,000 Palestinians
* Intifada II (2000-03): 700 Israelis and 2,000 Palestinians
Wow! Just wow! 160 Million people killed since 1860…the world went through so many conflict..even after the UN..so many people died..
i can estimate that out of that number 100 million people died in the hands of communism and tyrany..
but wait a sec…only 4000 Palestinians died since 1987 cause of there intifhada…and this grabs headlines..
As Armstrong would yak in his song “WHAAAAAAAT A WONDERFUL WOORLD”
Pushtak
So HLP doesnt want any civilians to be sheltered.
Kill ‘em all, let GOD sort them out?
heheheh.
I love it when you make my points for me.
outlander posted January 6, 2009 at 8:21 am
An interesting piece on Huffington Post, of all places, from an author researching a book on the politics of global warming.
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outlander,
Harold Ambler’s “piece” contains multiple errors.
Please explain why you believe that we should rely on his “research” to form our opinion about AGW.
IN GAZA, THE REAL ENEMY IS IRAN ================
The images from the fighting in Gaza are harrowing but ultimately deceptive. They portray a mighty invading army, one equipped with F-16 jets that have bombed a civilian population defended by a few thousand fighters armed with primitive rockets. But widen the lens and the true nature of this conflict emerges. Hamas, like Hezbollah in Lebanon, is a proxy for the real enemy Israel is confronting: Iran. And Israel’s current operation against Hamas represents a unique chance to deal a strategic blow to Iranian expansionism.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-halevi4-2009jan04,0,1975444.story
Israeli attacks must not stop until Iran’s proxy, Hamas, is defeated.
Bonehead says-
“and has anyone else noticed that not one of these big religious men can answer the question of where civilians SHOULD be sheltered?”
You are displaying a ridiculous lack of knowledge of the the facts on the ground. And the methods of radical Islamists.
Hamas intentionally sets up rocket launchers next to civilian shelters and mosques knowing that if Israel hits that location that there will be civilian deaths. They then use those deaths as a propoganda tool. The news media repeatedly falls for the tactic, never condemning Hamas for endangering civilians. The Sadrists in Iraq did the same thing repeatedly as a PR tactic against the U.S.
Hamas intentionally uses civilians to create negative PR against Israel. They know that Useful Idiots like you will fall for it.
You remind me of Ed Friedman. I used to pith him off regularly with the “old saying” that everyone knows is true but many won’t admit-
If Israel disarms the arabs will drive them into the sea. If the arabs disarm there will be peace in the Middle East.
Unfortunately, things and people get broken in war. If Hamas doesn’t like it they should not start one, or provoke one with terrorist murder.
Why doesn’t Israel go home?
Most of their population isn’t even from there.
ENOUGH with the blood and death on both sides over their hobby country.
So HLP doesnt want any civilians to be sheltered.
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You don’t pay attention, do you? Your comments are not responsive to the conversation.
Where does Israel shelter their children from indisciminate terrorist rocket attacks?
nitwit
From wiki
The State of Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians has been likened by some to a system of apartheid, analogous to South Africa’s treatment of non-whites during South Africa’s apartheid era.[1] Those who use this analogy argue that a system of control including separate roads,[2] inequities in infrastructure, legal rights, and access to land and resources between Palestinians and Israeli residents in the Israeli-occupied territories constitutes an apartheid system.[3] Certain Israeli commentators and Palestinian rights advocates extend this analogy to include Arab citizens of Israel, describing their citizenship status as second-class.[4][5][6][7] Others use the analogy in relation to the special status that Israel accords to Jews, or to Orthodox Jews, without reference to Palestinians.[8]
Opponents of the usage argue that Arab citizens of Israel have the same rights as all other Israeli citizens,[9] and that the State of Israel’s treatment of Palestinians in the occupied territories is driven by security considerations, not racism.[10] They state that the analogy is merely a slanderous epithet, reflecting a double standard applied to Israel but not to neighboring Arab countries.
Israel uses the Gaza telephone system linked with a geographic data base to warn civilians of impending attack.
When they decide to drop bombs on a specific spot which has a high density of civilian population they use an automated system that dials all phone numbers within a given physical distance from that spot and warn civilians to get out.
Compare that with the intentional Hama tactic of launching rockets from next to shelters and Mosques.
BlueJay
Posted January 6, 2009 at 10:48 am | Permalink
Why doesn’t Israel go home?
Most of their population isn’t even from there.
ENOUGH with the blood and death on both sides over their hobby country.
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Enough of your FALSE OUTRAGE at the number of civilians killed in Gaza. You care not when millions are killed elsewhere. Where’s your outrage been hiding over Somalia or Darfur or the Congo or Nepal or Myanmar?
You’re only concerned when the Jews are the ones doing the killing.
And JR, WHY DON’T YOU GO HOME? You are on Native American land. Leave. And Leave now.
Whoa!
ksfarmgrrl refuses to answer the question!
again:
Where does Israel shelter their children from indisciminate terrorist rocket attacks?
She wants Hamas to have the right to kill little children indiscriminately!
Bucher!
Boxlock20
Posted January 6, 2009 at 10:45 am | Permalink
Unfortunately, things and people get broken in war. If Hamas doesn’t like it they should not start one, or provoke one with terrorist murder.
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Hamas DOES like it. Hamas knows they cannot defeat Israel alone. But they do hope to generate anti-semetic support (exactly like what is displayed on this very blog) from the UN and Arab nations to try to justify Global International action AGAINST Israel.
Their strategy to destroy Israel is to ignite a regional Mideast war involving many nations. They can’t destroy Israel on their own. And they certainly do NOT want peace. That is obvious.
What about it brave little ksfarmgrrl:
Where does Israel shelter their children from indisciminate terrorist rocket attacks?
Say Annie, you blame Israel for suppressing Palestine.
Nobody answered the question from XXX the other day. Why does Egypt not open their border with Palestine and provide support?
Can you answer that question Annie?
BJ says: “Why doesn’t Israel go home? .. Most of their population isn’t even from there”
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Obviously another NPR/BBC groupie — it shows
JJ–
Why don’t we open our border and provide support for Haitians and Mexicans?
You wouldn’t mind that, would you?
Idiot.
It’s a little hard to support the Palestinian people when they chose (in a democratic election) to be governed by a group who’s stated objective is the obliteration of Israel. Israel isn’t going away; they hold the land by right of treaty, streingth of arms, and development of the land. Taking the land away has been tried before and has been a disaster for several Arab countries.
A lot of people are going to die and that’s a shame, but the Palestinians brought this down on themselves.
Capn, our border with Mexico IS open. 20 million have already snuck-in. Where you been?
As for Haiti, we’ve provided support for years. See how they prosper when you give them something for nothing?
At lease the Mexicans (for the most part) are working to support themselves, unlike many posters here.
HLP–
In ten years of rocket attacks, Israel has lost 22 people. Some 300 civilians were killed in one day by Israeli air strikes.
Gee, if only the Palestinians had a democratically-elected government to represent them, maybe they wouldn’t be so violent.
Oh, wait. They DID have a democratically-elected government until TeamBush and you CONs shut it down with an economic blockade.
JJ–
And I’m sure many Palestinians sneak into Egypt.
What’s your point other than what’s on the top of your head?
Palestine is not Egypt. And neighboring countries should not be expected to take in Palestinians driven from their land because they’re “all Muslims” anymore than we should take in Mexicans and Haitians because we’re “all Christians.”
Egypt doesn’t open its borders with Palestine because it doesn’t want to reward Israel for killing Palestinians. Driving Palestinians out is exactly what the Zionists want.
The fact so few Israelis died during Hamas rocket attacks does little to deny the fact the rocket attacks were nothing less than terrorist in nature. Hamas fired over 1000 missles into Israel, and are now getting whatn they deserve. It’s like the neighborhood bully beating up the weak kid, then whining about it when the weak kid kicks his fanny.
Israel has my full support in this one.
What about it, ksfarmgrrl?
Where do you hide in Israel when Hamas launches their attacks?
Do you know what indiscriminate means? Hamas has no guidance on their rockets.
CapnAmerica
Posted January 6, 2009 at 11:31 am | Permalink
HLP–
In ten years of rocket attacks, Israel has lost 22 people. Some 300 civilians were killed in one day by Israeli air strikes.
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How many THOUSANDS of rockets were fired at Israel during this time period?
Capn is using the Hamas defense, “Well ya, we fired a lot of rockets, but they rarely hit anybody.”
I think Israel has shown a great deal of restraint by not leveling Gaza. That would solve the problem once and for all.
CapnAmerica
Posted January 6, 2009 at 11:35 am | Permalink
Egypt doesn’t open its borders with Palestine because it doesn’t want to reward Israel for killing Palestinians.
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BUZZZZZZ! WRONG ANSWER! Your statement doesn’t make any sense Capn.
Again, why doesn’t Egypt open it’s border with Palestine and provide aid and trade to/from Palestine?
Why is Israel the only one blames for cutting off aid and closing it’s border with Palestine?
“You should give up trying to utilize anything related to psychology, you suck at it.”
You only say that because I accurately report on your behavior. It obviously pi*ses you off. Too bad.
XXX
Posted January 6, 2009 at 11:43 am | Permalink
I think Israel has shown a great deal of restraint by not leveling Gaza. That would solve the problem once and for all.
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Amen. Very small section of land that could be taken very quickly.
In that was the US in the same situation, we would have either taken it out or bought it years ago.
Throwing white hat in first, just want to ask a question…
It is unacceptable for anyone to want Israel to not exist, why is it acceptable for anyone to want Palestine to not exist?
Shouldn’t both be unacceptable?
“. Where’s your outrage been hiding over Somalia or Darfur or the Congo or Nepal or Myanmar?”
Thanks for making my point for me.
LOTS of peoples have suffered through history. Many still do in the places you mention.
Why the special dispensation and attendant concern just for the Jewish people?
MY compassion for people is not limited to whether their survival gets me into heaven or not.
I believe there are no small number of people who just ACHE for Israel to develop into the battle of Armageddon so that Jesus will come back.
Well? While they may very well get the battle, I don’t side with betting the survival of the human race on ancient myth. I say defuse the bomb.
Israel broke the treaty and it was planned a loong time ago. Israel is exterminating the Palestinians. Believe it or not.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11606
lindainks55
Posted January 6, 2009 at 11:47 am | Permalink
Throwing white hat in first, just want to ask a question…
It is unacceptable for anyone to want Israel to not exist, why is it acceptable for anyone to want Palestine to not exist?
Shouldn’t both be unacceptable?
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Agreed, both should be allowed to exist. And Israel HAS allowed Palestine to exist. They’ve had several opportunities to destroy, but haven’t.
Palestine, given the chance, would certainly take Israel out in a heart beat.
Palestinians/Hamas launch thousands of rockets into Israel. Their target is civilians. Their sworn goal is to eliminate Israel. They have sworn to target and kill as many Israeli civilians as they can.
If you can’t play nice, you have to leave the sandbox.
lina asks-
“It is unacceptable for anyone to want Israel to not exist, why is it acceptable for anyone to want Palestine to not exist?”
I don’t find it acceptable for “anyone to want Palestine to not exist?”
HOWEVER I do find it acceptable to attempt to wipe Hamas and Hezbollah off the map.
I think Israel has shown a great deal of restraint by not leveling Gaza. That would solve the problem once and for all.
*****
Yeah.
Hitler had a “final solution” too . . .
“If Israel disarms the arabs will drive them into the sea. If the arabs disarm there will be peace in the Middle East.”
Heckler this shows a great deal of wisdom and so accurately protrays the Isralie/Palestine situation.
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lindainks55
Posted January 6, 2009 at 11:47 am | Permalink
Throwing white hat in first, just want to ask a question…
It is unacceptable for anyone to want Israel to not exist, why is it acceptable for anyone to want Palestine to not exist?
Shouldn’t both be unacceptable?
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Linda read the quote from Heckler above. This explains the fallacy of your argument. No one wants Palestine to go away they just want them to honor the cease fire they agreed to.
“And Israel HAS allowed Palestine to exist.”
WOW how very large of them!
Maybe if they treated them better they’d get the same back?
Or maybe they just like having someone to pick on, be afraid of, get sympathy because of.
I wish some renegade journalist would finally ask this piece of crap what he means by “New World Order”. Maybe it is just some little innocous statement he repeats over and over and over and over…
Henry Kissinger: A cold blooded son of a bitsch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD3BqK-9ZiU&eurl=http://www.infowars.com/?p=6991
“. No one wants Palestine to go away they just want them to honor the cease fire they agreed to.”
See above where Israel broke it first.
Just think.
If Hitler had really succeeded in killing all the European Jewry, then their wouldn’t have been any Zionists left to found Israel.
So, I guess you folks that like the idea of mass genocide are right.
Lesson: You just have to be more thorough than Hitler was.
[heavy sarcasm]
correction–”than there wouldn’t have been . . . “
BlueJay
Posted January 6, 2009 at 11:55 am | Permalink
Or maybe they just like having someone to pick on, be afraid of, get sympathy because of.
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You are projecting again BJ.
Here’s one for all you that think they have freedom of thought…
“With regard to the superstitions of logicians, I shall
never tire of emphasizing a small, terse fact, which is
unwillingly recognized by these credulous minds—
namely, that a thought comes when ‘it’ wishes, and not
when ‘I’ wish;” Friedrich Nietzsche
Yeah.
Hitler had a “final solution” too . . .
Jews… Hitler… I get it. You are one sick twisted f uck.
We know all about YOUR compassion for people JR.
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BlueJay
Posted January 6, 2009 at 11:49 am | Permalink
MY compassion for people is not limited to whether their survival gets me into heaven or not.
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BlueJay
Posted January 4, 2009 at 7:28 pm | Permalink
What other possible interest would there be? Israel is our ally? They’re more a liability than a help. They have no oil or important resources.
BJ you and fermie aka ksfrmgrl need to be better educated. I never realized how little knowledge you have of world history both current and not so current. If you really think Israel started this confrontation then there might not be much hope for you. I have always believed you had a chance but…
Compassion does NOT extend to perpetuating a people in a land where they will find no peace.
You are lifting a point I made as to US interest in Israel from another argument.
But let’s go to that.
What IS the US stake in Israel where it is at?
But Israel is a foothold into the Mid East…until we built PERMANENT bases in Iraq.
I (again) would urge folks to read “The Grand Chessboard” by Zbigniew Brzezinski. It’s all spelled out in that lil’ book.
BlueJay
Posted January 6, 2009 at 10:48 am | Permalink
Why doesn’t Israel go home?
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Exactly. Better to decrease the surplus population and let Iran and the Palestinians and the Syrians et al..wipe Israel off the face of the map.
They are not productive. They do nothing for us. In fact, they just get in the way.
Oh my gosh! Sounds like I’m talking about JR!
See, the difference is, I am not bringing the bias of a personal faith into the equation.
Thought for the day–
What caused the Roman Empire to fall?
According to Edward Gibbon it was
first, the Empire amassed so much wealth that it corrupted democracy. Senate seats were bought and sold. Graft was rampant.
second, the people lost faith in government. They just wanted “peace and prosperity” and turned to a military dictatorship to give it to them–Julius Caesar and Augustus Caesar. They rejected democracy for security.
third, “absolute power corrupts absolutely.” The Emperor system breeds despotism and tyrrany without recourse of law or ballot to check it.
fourth, without legal, ethical, moral authority, leadership collapses and the state collapses.
Sound familiar?
BlueJay
Posted January 6, 2009 at 12:09 pm | Permalink
Compassion does NOT extend to perpetuating a people in a land where they will find no peace.
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Projecting again.
Yes BJ, you need to leave Kansas and go home.
I know, I know…it’s a Persian news source…but it’s pretty interesting anyway.
Seems DU (depleted uranium) is being used against those nasty Palestinians.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80443§ionid=351020202
BlueJay
Posted January 6, 2009 at 12:10 pm | Permalink
See, the difference is, I am not bringing the bias of a personal faith into the equation.
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You also forgot to bring your brain into the equation.
“I never realized how little knowledge you have of world history ”
YOUR history book is the bible. You said so.
The bible is an old book written from the point of view of one group of people. It has little value in objective study of history.
It’s truly amazing how the Palestinians keep doing the same stupid acts over and over. They continually bring a water pistol to a tank fight!
According to Wiki: The January 2006 legislative elections marked another victory for Hamas, which gained the majority of seats in the first fair and democratic elections held in Palestine, defeating the ruling Fatah party. The “List of Change and Reform”, as Hamas presented itself, obtained 42.9% of the vote and 74 of the 132 seats.
Hamas omitted its call for the destruction of Israel from its election manifesto, calling instead for “the establishment of an independent state whose capital is Jerusalem.”
On 13 February 2006, in an interview in Russian newspaper Nezavisimaya Gazeta, Khaled Mashal declared that Hamas might “possibly give a long-term truce with Israel”, if Israel recognized the 1949 armistice lines, withdraw itself from all Palestinian territories (including the West Bank and East Jerusalem) and recognize Palestinian rights that would include the “right of return”.
*****
Doesn’t sound too radical to me. But because of these “demands,” the democratically-elected gov’t of Palestine was crushed by Israel-US-UN and Hamas seats were replaced by unelected Fatah members.
So much for “democracy is on the march,” eh, Bushie?
Oh hell it’s easy to throw rocks at me.
I only seek an end to useless violence and regional instability. The only skin I have in the game is less suffering.
Please justify for me the continued violence and death over Israel.
Please explain a disregard for regional stability.
Be honest.
Please explain a disregard for regional stability.
Rockets aimed at civilians?
Ya know, when God gave Israel that particular bit of land, nobody even KNEW about North or South America.
The world is a considerably bigger and more habitable place than it was 2,000 years ago.
Why CHOOSE to live in a place that is gonna cause a problem?
The honest answer, BJ, is that Israelis are for the most part, westerners and the Palestinians are for the most part Mid-easterners.
Americans see Israelis as being more like “us” and Palestinians as more like “them.”
The same religious fundy CONs who wouldn’t let the Jew into their country club will argue vociferously for the Zionist (i.e. European) right to kill the “unwashed” Muslim in his own land.
It’s just another form of colonialism . . . masked in the vestige of “religion.” “Oh those poor Jews, what they’ve suffered!”
And because the Nazis persecuted them in 1945, the Palestinians have to give up their land and rights in 1949.
Doesn’t make sense.
As one Palestinian friend of mine used to say, (he’s a Christian btw), “God is not a real-estate broker.”
Rockets aimed at civilians is a symptom.
It’s also not even a tactical let alone strategic threat to stability.
Hey I gather the settlers have put a lot into improving the place and that is not lost on me.
I wish we had more reporting on just how it is that the Israelis treat their neighbors. You can’t help solve a problem when you give one side a get away with it card.
Can I aim some rockets at your house then? I mean if it won’t cause instability or anything.
Think the Canadians would mind a few rockets into their neighborhoods.
Surely you aren’t this foolish.
Tell me why you want to shoot rockets at me and maybe we can work something out.
Hey I gather the settlers have put a lot into improving the place and that is not lost on me.
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Darn right JR look at the pretty landscaping they put up
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRWQC9UGO8A
If, in America where we enjoy great freedoms, many citizens don’t pay attention to things of ‘government,’ isn’t it possible that in Palestine, where life isn’t as easy, there are more who don’t? How many Palestinians are going about trying to support, house, feed, educate, protect their families without much knowledge of what their government is doing? I’m not justifying this, I’ve always spoken out against apathy, I’m just recognizing it.
This situation with two factions fighting isn’t an easy one and there isn’t a ’side’ to blame for everything evil. As is the case here in America for what goes wrong, there is plenty of blame to go around.
Palestians elected their government and it’s an evil one, but hey, we Americans haven’t really done much better! Even those of us who pay more attention don’t know what government keeps well hidden. Look at all the times our government has supported and armed countries until they don’t. Didn’t we make Saddam what he became and then he wasn’t any longer an ally? From the little things to the bigger, we disagree with our elected officials and they just keep on doing whatever they want. So why are we placing blame for Hamas on the Palestinians? They elected a corrupt terrorist organization as their government. I think America does the same thing — is it OK for someone to kill us too?
Dittos, BluJ–
Ask Rachael Corrie about the “get away with it” card.
She was an American protesting the demolition of Palestinian houses with giant American-built bulldozers.
Despite her bright orange vest, shouting and sign, the bulldozer operator “couldn’t see her” when he crushed her to death.
American media coverage–zero.
American outrage–zero.
American gov’t response–zero.
I know Israel is not going to move.
That WOULD be the best solution.
But, they’ll need another one.
Let’s see. Well what they have been trying for 60 years aint working.
I don’t know. Maybe make their neighbors somehow glad that they are there? Give it a shot?
Tell me why you want to shoot rockets at me and maybe we can work something out.
Because I want you to die. You and everyone like you. You and everyone who does not believe what I believe. Do you know what Hamas’ stated goal is?
Maybe make their neighbors somehow glad that they are there?
Why is that Israel’s responsibility? Why doens’t Hamas just quit firing rockets?
Genesis 16 . . . The angel of the LORD also said to her: [ Hagar ] “You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael [ father of the Arabs ] for the LORD has heard of your misery . . . He will be a wild donkey of a man .. his hand will be against everyone .. and everyone’s hand against him .. and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.” —— I consider this prophecy fulfilled
Welcome to being part of the problem dadman.
It’s crowded. I think there are some seats in the hall.
I have to quibble with your comment, Linda– “Palestians elected their government and it’s an evil one.”
The gov’t of Palestine is currently an unelected one. I believe that is one reason for the violence. Democracy hasn’t been given a chance by the Israeli-AIPAC-US powers. They don’t want to have to deal with the demands of Hamas that would sound very reasonable to the outside world, if we got the chance to hear them.
The people firing rockets have been excluded from the political process.
“Because I want you to die. You and everyone like you.”
We didn’t get THERE in one step did we?
Sounds to me that BlueJay is of Arab dissent — ya donkey man !!!!
We didn’t get THERE in one step did we?
Of course. Hamas and most radical islamists want the death and destruction of anything and anyone that doesn’t follow their religion.
German, Dutch, English, Swiss, and a little French there dadman.
Calling people names out of your old book is not the best way to make nice with them.
If you think the problem is only 60 years in the making I think you’re unqualified to have a position on the conflict.
Thanks for the correction and teaching me, Cap’n!
“The people firing rockets have been excluded from the political process” === Really !! == those who are bent on the total destruction of a 1948-UN-MEMBER-NATION-STATE are excluded from the “political” process == how sad for the BBC/NPR crowd
“…most radical islamists want the death and destruction of anything and anyone that doesn’t follow their religion.
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Pay close attention, Americans. If this isn’t the best argument against a theocracy, I don’t know what is.
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HLP
Posted January 6, 2009 at 11:13 am | Permalink
What about it brave little ksfarmgrrl:
Where does Israel shelter their children from indisciminate terrorist rocket attacks?”
Excuse me, but I have work to do today. Sorry I cant blog 23/7.
It looks to me, given the small number of israeli civilians killed, (and military for that matter) that they are doing a FINE job of sheltering themselves. They should continue to shelter their folks the way they have been successful in the past.
But I see, NONE of the wisebutts here have answered my question as to where civilians should be sheltered. The answer from the wisebutts seems to be “nowhere”. I dont see that refuted anywhere with any other suggestions.
And grmie, if you think the bible is the definitive history book, it isnt me who needs to be better educated.
And my education wasnt paid for by a government welfare program for folks who didnt have a job.
But do keep spinning and sputtering. We need the laughs.
Genesis 16 may explain a lot.
Maybe the Jewish people interpreted and acted on it through history? Not a great way to make friends and influence people.
I don’t mean to seem disrespectful of faith.
But I’m sorry. This looks like trying to build foreign policy and base geopolitical thinking on a damned soap opera.
The Palestinian civilians would do well sheltered in schools, religious centers and hospitals. The problem is, where the civilians shelter, the militants use that as an umbrella.
The question becomes not where the civilians should be sheltered, but rather why do the militants stage assaults and caches where the civilians are sheltered? The militants put the civilians in danger. And Israel is blamed.
great place to live eh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2AaDg7-zD0&NR=1
Andrew Sullivan has some pretty good comments on the doctrine of “just war”.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/01/a-question-of-p.html
This doesnt meet any of the criteria.
Why don’t we know more?
Where is a news special on day to day life in Gaza?
Again. Both sides have issues. But we only get one side of the story.
Hamas Uses Civilians as Human Shields
Try to get as many civilians as possible killed, and then portray Israeli forces as bloodthirsty and engaged in genocide.
1) Firing rockets from densely populated areas and targeting population centers in Israel with the overt intention of harming Israeli civilians. Jabaliya, Beit Hanoun and other populated areas of the northern Gaza Strip are the preferred launching areas for attacking the western Negev towns and villages.
2) Locating the terrorist operative infrastructure within the civilian population : weapons (including rockets), bases, offices, headquarters, tunnels, lathes and weapons stores. During Operation Hot Winter IDF soldiers fought against Hamas operatives who established themselves inside civilian homes.
3) Enlisting Palestinian civilians (including women and children ) through the use of terrorist-owned media and loudspeakers. That is done to call them to gather at the houses they expect the IDF to attack in order to serve as human shields.
mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2009/01/hamas-uses-civilians-as-human-shields.html
We ARE getting plenty of footage in Gaza now. If it bleeds it leads.
I want to know what it is like to live next door to Israel while the pot is boiling not after the lid blows off. What kind of neighbor are they?
“We desire death as you desire life.”
The UN announcement that 51 civilians have died in the conflict in Gaza must be understood in the context of Hamas’s declared ideology to use civilians as human shields for Hamas fighters. Indeed, Hamas continues to emphasize and promote the religious ideology that death for Allah is an ideal to be actively pursued.
http://newsblaze.com/story/20081229092838zzzz.nb/topstory.html
Looks to me like an eye for an eye here is indeed making them all go blind.
War is the only solution here? How’s that been working for the last, oh, 2000+ years?
But the war mongers want more war.
I guess if all you have is a hammer, the whole world looks like a nail.
And what’s that definition of insanity? Doing the same things over and over and expecting different results?
But as long as so many people refuse to look at israel with an objective eye, they’ll just keep doing the same things.
And reaping the same results.
But it sure shakes the cash out of our government, doesnt it? Maybe israel is truly getting what it wants from all this killing.
Cash.
Ed?
If you still read us, I for one am missing you now.
Fifty plus civilians dead is a daily count.
The cumulative count in this round of “let’s kill each other for fun and profit” is in the hundreds.
And what’s that definition of insanity? Doing the same things over and over and expecting different results?
Like lobbing ordinance into civilian Israeli neighborhoods? How long would you put up with folks driving by your ranch firing shotguns at your chickens. Now they only hit one or two per month, but…
Think I’m kidding about the cash cow aspect?
http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm
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StevenEDavis
Posted January 6, 2009 at 11:44 am | Permalink
“You should give up trying to utilize anything related to psychology, you suck at it.”
You only say that because I accurately report on your behavior. It obviously pi*ses you off. Too bad.
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A little knowledge about a discipline is dangerous, makes you like cosmos the URL posting fool.
Try not to practice psychology without a license like cosmos pretends he is a climate scientist.
It makes you look foolish.
Oops, hit the send too soon. I love how all the folks here who are anti government and budget hawks suddenly have NO problem with this giveaway.
…and as for Egypt and it’s borders…
Guess who is the SECOND largest recipient of US foreign aid, right behind israel?
You guessed it. Egypt. I guess THIS link wouldnt have anything to do with why egypt asks “how high” when the US says “jump”?
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2008/ss_egypt0596_10_10.asp
It’s all about the Benjamins. Like most “religious” arguments.
Who said anyone backed the American investment into Israel? I back Israel’s right to defend herself. Just like I would back kicking some canuck ass if they were lobbing ordinance into the states.
I sure as hell wouldnt KILL someone shooting at my chickens.
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SolDevVB
Posted January 6, 2009 at 1:07 pm | Permalink
And what’s that definition of insanity? Doing the same things over and over and expecting different results?
Like lobbing ordinance into civilian Israeli neighborhoods? How long would you put up with folks driving by your ranch firing shotguns at your chickens. Now they only hit one or two per month, but…
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Appears to be insane to me as well.
With Hamas and other Islamic terrorist organization, their regard for human life, regardless which side is a minor inconvenience for them.
I find it amusing that Hamas cries foul (along with their detractors) when they suffer casualties because of their insane and aggressive tactics.
Hope that came out right, eyed dilated and typing do not go together well.
I dont recall calling you out Sol. But if the shoe fits…. I must have hit a nerve.
Oh there’s ALWAYS a fiscal component to things kfg. Even with this odd cause, the cons don’t invest unless they expect some kind of return.
Peace is less profitable than war.
“I find it amusing that Hamas cries foul (along with their detractors) when they suffer casualties because of their insane and aggressive tactics.”
heheheh. typical con response. “it’s THEIR fault for making me do this”.
I dont recall defending hamas. I do recall being critical of murdering civilians. On both sides.
I sure as hell wouldnt KILL someone shooting at my chickens.
OK then, how about your friends and loved ones? You’ve been to the police, and they turn a deaf ear. Remember, you only lose one or two people per month.
“Both sides have issues. But we only get one side of the story” ==
only for the BBC/NPR crowd
“Peace is less profitable than war.”
You got it. I think that explains it all, from the debacle in iraq to this.
Hamas makes money from iran. Israel makes money from the US.
How did the last proxy war work out for us?
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annie_moose
Posted January 6, 2009 at 12:33 pm | Permalink
Hey I gather the settlers have put a lot into improving the place and that is not lost on me.
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Darn right JR look at the pretty landscaping they put up
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRWQC9UGO8A
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Annie, the music just broke my heart, drama queen.
“You’ve been to the police, and they turn a deaf ear.”
If the UN is the police, they are all the TIME rebuking Israel.
Israel gives them a deaf ear.
If WE wanted a solution to this, we’d have it.
Ditto for israel and ditto for the middle east.
The fact that after thousands of years, no solution other than murder can be found?
It’s all about the Benjies.
When it comes to religious wars, moral high ground goes out the window in favor of the bucks.
Always has been that way. And until we admit it and change what WE are doing, it will always be that way.
The UN is the government of Palistine? News to me. Where’s you get that?
““You’ve been to the police, and they turn a deaf ear.”
If the UN is the police, they are all the TIME rebuking Israel.
Israel gives them a deaf ear.”
heh.
Isnt that what we killed Saddam for?
Sol, you need to give it up with that analogy. It doesnt work.
And no, I would never KILL anyone. Not even someone who shot my dog.
Agreed that we shouldn’t fund Israel, but how many benjies were being made 1000 years ago? This isn’t a new fight, just different actors.
And as adept as I am with guns, (yes, you’d be surprised) I dont own a handgun. One of the reasons I dont carry or own a handgun is because I could NOT use it against someone, even if they were about to kill me. And you know what the “experts” say. If you arent prepared to use it, dont carry or pull it.
Does that make me a coward? Maybe. But I dont think so. I think it means I value being true to who I am more than I do another day on this planet.
Not even someone who shot my dog.
Waht about your woman and your family?
It all comes back to that old saying,
“Pick your enemies carefully, for they are whom you will eventually resemble.”
Look what the survivors and progeny of the Warsaw ghetto have done to the Palestinians. Forget that Israel’s founders — look up Golda Meir, Ben Gurion, Moshe Dyan, et al) were terrorists in 1948 and when they won some 750,000 Palestinians simply disappeared. As Dyan said at the time, “you will not find them (Palestinians) in the history books-their villages don’t exist- their text books don’t exist-they are simply not there.”
For nearly a thousand years the Turks (i.e., the Ottoman Empire) ruled a land were Jews and Palestinians may not have liked each other but lived side by side in relative peace. After WWI the Brits took over; just one more colony in the empire’s crown.
The crown jewels were lost after WWII and the Jews got the idea maybe they weren’t all that welcome in Europe so much and giving them the 20th Century version of 40 acres and a mule, the United Nations sliced off a hunk of the British Empire and the Palestinians (who were rightly leftover Ottoman subjects) freaked out. (You know, how in the 50s Americans in some neighborhoods freaked out when a Jew wanted to join a country club.)
I have a book from 1949 accounting the Israel/Palestine compromise the Israelis agreed to and the Arabs rejected: two homeland states with Jerusalem an “international city,” along the lines of what Vienna was then, and Berlin. (Okay, not a perfect model as it worked out, but it seemed like a good idea in 1948.)
The Arabs thought they were winning at the time. And by the time the Israelis won a guerrilla (read, “terrorist”) war, the Israelis were in no mood to compromise; they figured they won it all.
Hard feeling between these people have been going on for centuries but it’s wrong to look at the Middle East these days and say “THIS has been going on this long.
More like 60 years or so. Still, long enough for resentments of the Yom Kippur War, or the ‘72 Olympics, or last year’s pizza parlor suicide bombing or last months strafing by fighter jets…
I really think the Israelis and the Palestinians don’t know what they’re fighting for anymore. They’ve forgotten why they got into it in the first place and neither side wants to back away from all the blood and treasure expended for… for what?
Not that they’re alone. Here in the states the same people who whine about “the liberal media,” “New York values” (both code words for “Jewish”), and gripe about crooked “New York” bankers (again with the Jew thing), and “decadent Hollywood” immorality (I think you get the point), turn around and blindly defend anything Israel does just so they can take a Holy Land Tour with their church group.
To paraphrase FDR’s comment about Samoza, Israel “…may be SOBs, but they’re OUR SOBs.”
We might re-think that approach.
Gotta go for now.
Sol?
People don’t fire off rockets just for yuks.
I want to understand their grievances better. That’s only fair.
“This isn’t a new fight, just different actors.”
No argument from me. So why do we continue to fund it and fight a war by proxy. If killing each other hasnt worked by now, dont you think we could come up with a better way if we wanted to?
But then….
That wouldnt make the MIC any money, now would it?
JMWalker Posted January 6, 2009 at 11:37 am |
“The fact so few Israelis died during Hamas rocket attacks does little to deny the fact the rocket attacks were nothing less than terrorist in nature. Hamas fired over 1000 missles into Israel, and are now getting whatn they deserve. It’s like the neighborhood bully beating up the weak kid, then whining about it when the weak kid kicks his fanny.
Israel has my full support in this one.”
Exactly right JM, exactly right. And Israel has my full support as well.
How about a blog bully that repeatedly makes ridiculous challenges, and in turn gets himself ‘punked’.
…and if you can wrap that war mongering in the bible and get god to smile on it, well, that makes the “cause” just? Or just make the dollar flow secure.
heheh.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHA!
War mongers can thump the bible all they want, but it’s STILL all about the benjies.
Religious war indeed.
I think it means I value being true to who I am more than I do another day on this planet.
Fair enough. And I already agreed we should stop foreign aid. Period. It mostly leads to corruption anyway.
” People don’t fire off rockets just for yuks.
I want to understand their grievances better. That’s only fair.”—BlueJay
Go enlist in their little band of terrorists BJ, they’ll explain it to you. I’m sure you would be just as inept as they are and would fit right in.
“Waht about your woman and your family?”
Is there some part of “no” that you dont understand?
Annie, the music just broke my heart, drama queen.
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If you liked that he’s 4 guys beating up an old lady
that should give you a little wood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcmjR-cVu8w&feature=related
I think our posts crossed Sol. Peace to you.
I guess I have to announce that I have work to do and I am leaving? I dont usually do that, but since it seems to be an issue today…
“People don’t fire off rockets just for yuks” ============
Oh, to understand the “minds” of donkeys .. LOL
“SolDevVB” joins this dialog –
“Not even someone who shot my dog.”
With…
“Waht about your woman and your family?
See, it’s different for CONs.
Their dogs still love them.
Gotta go . . . peace yall ..
http://www.nwrnetwork.com/radiostations/RealAnswersRadio/player/embedded_player.php?bw=high
Monkey,
Put your wife and your dog in the trunk of your car. Drive for an hour. Stop. Open the trunk. Which is happy to see you?
;~>
My sweetie wouldnt want me to kill anyone on her account either.
She’s an even bigger peace monger than I am.
“Put your wife and your dog in the trunk of your car.”
heheheh. You must have a different kind of dog and wife than I do.
Good luck getting either of mine IN the trunk.
And I think they’d both be happy to see me. For a minute anyway…
Definitions of faith on the Web:
loyalty or allegiance to a cause or a person; “keep the faith”;
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Ferment, I say this because kfg you appear to get more rotten as the years wear on, and BJ as you can see ‘faith’ isn’t confined to the religious terms you float so often. Your blind allegiance to the liberal political view is just as binding on you as my faith in Christ is binding on me. I make decisions ocassionally based on that faith as you do on a daily basis.
As for the Old Testament being a good history book. I along with many scholars believe that it is. Many relics found in these regions point to the truthfulness of the history contained therein.
Be that as it may, just pick up a history book any history book and read about the history of this region and you will have a much better view of what is happening.
As for Israel bombing Gaza – well when all you have is a water pistol to defend yourself with you would have to be pretty stupid to pick on someone who has an assault rifle at his disposal.
As for who paid for the last 8 hours of my degree I think you are much more bothered by that than you should be. Maybe if you concerned yourself with things that were really your business your would be in the dire straights you are in today.
BTW how is the chicken business. Tyson has had to make major cuts in their operation because poultry is a bad investment.
But then you have told us that you inherited the chickens and farm from your father so I guess you benefited from the repubs pushing to lower the inheritance tax base.
grmie, you are so full of crap your eyes are brown.
My Dad didnt raise chickens. I did inherit the farm. Twenty three years ago. Ya know, when the DEMOCRATS were in charge? woof.
And it isnt a chicken farm, no matter how much you cons want to denigrate that. We raise far more wheat, cattle, and veggies than we do chickens and eggs.
But I’m still making money on ALL of it. I have more demand for chickens and eggs than I could ever have facilities to fulfill.
I’m willing to bet I’ve lost less in farming than you have in the stock market.
And… I dont adhere to liberal principles on “faith”. I’ve done the intellectual work.
heheheh. Something you would likely have to look up in the dictionary…. What with your government funded education and all….
“As for who paid for the last 8 hours of my degree”
Oh I get it now. It’s ok to accept welfare and government handouts when it’s just a LITTLE bit of money.
No matter how successful you are financially, if it’s just a LITTLE handout, it’s ok?
heheh.
Cons. You just cant make this up….
Regular posted January 6, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Try not to practice psychology without a license like cosmos pretends he is a climate scientist.
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Regular seems to believe that climate scientists worldwide are only pretending to be climate scientists.
http://logicalscience.com/consensus/consensus.htm
Regular believes that orbital changes (not AGW) have caused warming of our Earth during the last few decades.
Regular has a decades-old Industrial Hygiene engineering degree, so he is the worlds most knowledgeable climate scientist. We should believe everything that Regular says. /sarcasm OFF
My 2 cents on Isreal/Palestine:
The USA needs to stay out of it, it is none of our business. The people there have been fighting amongst themselves for ages, there is no reason they will stop now, and we would be beyond arrogant into absurdity to think we could put an end to it.
I don’t care who started it. I am too old for ‘he started it’ arguements, I just don’t care who started it.
I feel no need to ‘protect’ Isreal. They are the military superpower in the region and they can take care of themselves.
“If the UN is the police, they are all the TIME rebuking Israel.”
Then the UN needs to send some more sternly worded letters with more CAPITAL letters and exclaimation points!!!!
Maybe they could hire chas.
Israel shells near UN school, killing at least 30 (AP)
“The Israeli army said its soldiers came under fire from militants hiding in the school and responded. It accused Gaza’s Hamas rulers of “cynically” using civilians as human shields.”
The Lib defend Hamas?? They will defend anything.
Except our own country.
“The trade group said its seasonally adjusted index of pending sales for existing homes fell 4 percent to 82.3 from a downwardly revised October reading of 85.7 in October. That’s worse than the reading of 88 that economists expected, according to Thomson Reuters.”
What??!!??
They are usually spot on.
SolDevVB
Posted January 6, 2009 at 1:33 pm | Permalink
Monkey,
Put your wife and your dog in the trunk of your car. Drive for an hour. Stop. Open the trunk. Which is happy to see you?
;~>
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Are you kiddin?
After spending an hour in the trunk with Monkey’s wife, OF COURSE the dog is happy to see you!
BlueJay
Posted January 6, 2009 at 1:04 pm | Permalink
Ed?
If you still read us, I for one am missing you now.
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For the 2nd time this week, BJ misses the JEW HATER!
I wonder how many FARM SUBSIDIES are paid to Farmie?
She brags about being profitable. Can she make it on her own?
Obama’s new ride.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/06/driving.obama/index.html
Waiting for the wales from cosmo about the dismal MPG.
“the new presidential limo is a Cadillac, Krell said”
Obama should expect two seemingly contradictory feelings when riding in the presidential limousine, said Joe Funk, a retired Secret Service agent who was President Bill Clinton’s driver during part of his career.
“I think he will be surprised about how when he’s in the limo, it’s a cocoon,” Funk said.
“All my friends know the low rider…
Low rider don’t use no gas now”
JJ do you think fermie get gov subsidies? I am shocked you say, absolutely shocked.
She seems to think that the less that $500 I received in assistance was a huge amount. She forgets that I was trying to help pmom because she was lamenting that her lack of creditials was costing her a lot of money which was why I tried to help her be able to afford going back to school.
The libs are like vultures looking for any raw meat to catch in their fangs. I really feel sorry for fermie because she can’t marry the woman of her dreams even though she has already married the man of her dreams which was what I did. It seems to me that makes us equal in rights.
outlander posted January 6, 2009 at 8:45 am
I want people to read the post that you said “merited posting for discussion’s sake”.
I want them to compare it to truth about climate science.
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Well good. We want the same thing. Please demonstrate that spirit. Enough said.
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Okay, let’s compare the post outlander said “merited posting for discussion’s sake”, to the truth about climate science.
Ambler Huffs and Puffs, but really he just blows‘
http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/ambler-huffs-and-puffs-but-mostly-he-just-blows/
‘Diagnosing a victim of anti-science syndrome (A S S)‘
http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/05/anthony-watts-up-with-that-anti-science-denier-website-weblog-awards/
“okobserver
Posted January 6, 2009 at 2:58 pm | Permalink
…I really feel sorry for fermie because she can’t marry the woman of her dreams even though she has already married the man of her dreams which was what I did. It seems to me that makes us equal in rights.”
it seems to me you are trying to set someone up for an arguement. Hopefully you don’t really believe that talk radio line you just delivered.
KFG,
So you would never call the police to protect you?
You would just stand there and watch someone kill or rape your loved one and do nothing to stop them?
“I wonder how many FARM SUBSIDIES are paid to Farmie?”
Well first of all, I’m not the one complaining about welfare. That would be you wingnuts, not me.
Second, the answer to the subsidy question is NONE!
Since you all constantly remind me that you know my name, you can look it up on the Environmental Working Group website. I am not a subsidy recipient, as none of the things I grow are eligible. The guy who rents my wheat ground may get subsidies, but his rent to me would be the same no matter what. I dont get subsidy money for cattle, eggs, chickens or veggies.
Geez, you cons will go to any lengths. Sorry to disappoint you.
And note again, grmie thinks it’s ok that she accepted ONLY five hundred dollars or so. Like I pointed out, it seems LITTLE handouts are ok.
“she has already married the man of her dreams”
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Uh, I dont think either my ex or I would agree that was the truth….
But thank you for noting that my current sweetie is indeed, the woman of my dreams! She’s twice the woman you’ll ever be and three times the man you’ll ever have.
“So you would never call the police to protect you?”
In the scenario described by sol, (note, it’s HIS scenario) I would have been dead before the “1″ in 911 could have been dialed. Or before the coppers could get to me. What is it with you cons and your hypotheticals? If someone wants to kill me, they will. Not much I can do about it but kill them first, and that is not part of my moral fiber.
And given my past political opposition to both the local republican sheriff, and the local republican chief of police, I’m pretty sure I’m on my own out here…
“Well good. We want the same thing. Please demonstrate that spirit. Enough said.”
As the narrator in Sponge Bob says, “6 hour later”.
Brian, she certainly does believe it. XXX posted it just a week ago. And most of the cons, like nathan, believe it too.
Just goes to show what intellectual giants they are.
cosmos_originally
Posted January 6, 2009 at 1:50 pm | Permalink
Regular posted January 6, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Try not to practice psychology without a license like cosmos pretends he is a climate scientist.
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Regular seems to believe that climate scientists worldwide are only pretending to be climate scientists.
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Wrong.
You can’t even get something simple right cosmos.
I said you are pretending to be a climate scientist.
You are not.
heheheh
“Uh, I dont think either my ex or I would agree that was the truth….”
And provided, of course, that the SOB was sober enough to even understand the question…
Ya know, I love bigotbawks and grmie and the others who whiiiiiine about me being divorced. Ya know, you insult a HELL of a lot of folks on the blog, both con and lib, who are divorced. And they are legion.
I’M not the one whining about divorce. It was a bad marriage and it ended. Big deal. I own a business instead of punching a time clock. Big deal.
If that’s all you have to whine about me, good luck with that. I thought being an entrepreneur was supposed to be a GOOD thing with the cons.
I guess it’s GOOD if you are anyone but JR and I.
hee hee heeeee….
No one here but nathan mentioned rape.
I guess it’s even MORE horrible if you regard your woman as chattel. Ya know, property being taken from you.
I’d be equally mad if someone was breaking her arm or slashing her face or harming her in ANY way.
But sorry, I dont have the killer gene in me.
And you?
I bet the sheep dog story comes out in three…two…one….
“ksfarmgrrl
Posted January 6, 2009 at 3:12 pm | Permalink
Brian, she certainly does believe it. XXX posted it just a week ago. And most of the cons, like nathan, believe it too.
Just goes to show what intellectual giants they are.”
sad sad sad
. Ya know, you insult a HELL of a lot of folks on the blog, both con and lib, who are divorced.
Second happiest day of my life was when the judge signed my decree. The first being the birth of my son.
Yeah Sol, but I dont hear anyone giving YOU crap about being divorced. Just me.
Wonder why that is…?
“How about a blog bully ”
Aw is somebody feewing picked upon?
I’m thinking this is why the cons who worship at the alter of the free markets are so whiney and grasping at straws.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090106/us_nm/us_financial_usa_wealth
Regular posted January 6, 2009 at 3:16 pm
cosmos_originally
Posted January 6, 2009 at 1:50 pm | Permalink
Regular posted January 6, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Try not to practice psychology without a license like cosmos pretends he is a climate scientist.
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Regular seems to believe that climate scientists worldwide are only pretending to be climate scientists.
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I said you are pretending to be a climate scientist.
You are not.
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Regular,
Thank you for admitting that I am NOT pretending to be a climate scientist.
I post the science from the top climate scientists worldwide.
If you say what I post is not science, then you are also saying that those climate scientists worldwide are only pretending to be climate scientists.
Gotta go. I still have work to finish and it’s almost time for Daniel Boone!
You know I was pretty happy when I made my first million. I don’t think I will be truly happy until I hit that 500 million a year mark though. You know, pursuit of happiness?
KFG,
So there we have it. You would just sit there and watch someone kill or rape someone you loved and do nothing to stop them.
Amazing.
The freedom you enjoy and liberty you have to live as you do in such comfort has been provided to you by better men and women who are willing to protect you and to provide you with the luxary and comfort to sit back and heckle them when they do.
As I said, try moving to the middle east and see how long you will live being as militantly gay as you are.
Please don’t tell me you are talking about “THE” Daniel Boone?
The one who fought as a militia officer?
I wonder how many people he killed.
“If you say what I post is not science, then you are also saying that those climate scientists worldwide are only pretending to be climate scientists.”
I think that is called Pretzel Logic.
gster
Posted January 6, 2009 at 12:16 pm | Permalink
It’s truly amazing how the Palestinians keep doing the same stupid acts over and over. They continually bring a water pistol to a tank fight!
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Interesting analogy… however, it could be said that Israel is bringing tanks to a water pistol fight… LOL
“You would just sit there and watch someone kill or rape someone you loved and do nothing to stop them.”
Nice logical trap.
I never said I wouldnt try to stop them. I said I wouldnt kill them. Big difference. Read the scenario created by sol. THAT was what I was responding to. And it was an artificial and fantasy scenario. Not real life.
And as for Daniel Boone…. it’s a tv show. No one actually dies.
I know, with the PTSD and the killing you’ve seen and done, it must be hard for you to separate reality and fantasy.
I’m not moving anywhere. Nice try though. I have as much right to live here as you. And I dont have muslims in my face every day whiiiiining about me being gay.
That would be you christian cons….
I was about to tell him the same thing kfg.
Cons can’t see anything but extremes.
fleettwood posted January 6, 2009 at 3:39 pm
“If you say what I post is not science, then you are also saying that those climate scientists worldwide are only pretending to be climate scientists.”
I think that is called Pretzel Logic.
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No. . . it’s called reality.
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cosmos_originally
Posted January 6, 2009 at 3:30 pm | Permalink
Regular,
Thank you for admitting that I am NOT pretending to be a climate scientist.
I post the science from the top climate scientists worldwide.
If you say what I post is not science, then you are also saying that those climate scientists worldwide are only pretending to be climate scientists.
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You still don’t get it do you cosmos?
You are not a scientist. Posting a snippet of what climate scientists actually do and writeis like posting a astrophysics statement how black holes are formed and operate.
As I said, a little knowledge is dangerous. Stop trying to play Doctor cosmos, you are not qualified to prove or disprove anything.
KFG,
But it is the point. If it came down to life or death you would choose to die and watch your loved ones die rather than kill yourself.
It doesn’t matter how many ways you try to twist out of it, that is exactly what you have presented.
KFG,
So how far would you be willing to go?
You would use violence to stop someone but just short of killing them?
I’ve noticed that cons are EVER trying to create a scenario where they need to kill someone. It’s like a barely hidden fantasy they have.
Regular,
Prove your claim that I’m not a scientist.
Nathan, she’s pullin your chain.
She’s out in the country with at least a shotgun. Likely loaded and waiting in her closet or under her bed.
Not that she needs a gun.
Just a shrill screech would scare away just about anything.
This is how Israel takes care of business:
Citing intelligence reports, it named two men it said were Islamist gunmen killed in the attack. A spokesman said the army did not know how many others died.
People cut down by shrapnel lay in pools of blood in the street. Witnesses said two shells exploded outside the school, killing at least 42 civilians and wounding dozens among people who had taken refuge there and residents of nearby buildings.
Since they’re in the town, why didn’t they just storm the school? Guess they figured they’d take out future Hammas recruits with the same stone.
“Regular,
Prove your claim that I’m not a scientist.”
Why so serious? Just tell us what you are.
(Boring doesn’t count).
BlueJay
Posted January 6, 2009 at 3:52 pm | Permalink
I’ve noticed that cons are EVER trying to create a scenario where they need to kill someone. It’s like a barely hidden fantasy they have.
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Ignorance just shines all around BJ. Knows nothing about the mideast conflict. Knows nothing about crime in America.
If he only had a brain……
“Nathaniel
Posted January 6, 2009 at 3:50 pm | Permalink
KFG,
But it is the point. If it came down to life or death you would choose to die and watch your loved ones die rather than kill yourself….”
The irony in this just cracks me up.
The Christian is the most willing to kill another person and is astounded that the non-Christian says they would not.
Brian,
Now you pervert the conversation with your lies.
I am not more willing to kill someone, only prepared to do so if need be.
Would you kill someone to protect a member of your family or a loved one?
Regular,
Prove that what I posted here is inaccurate.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/01/open-thread-16-2/#comment-498013
List any inaccuracies you find at the two links in this post.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/01/open-thread-16-2/#comment-498306
“Nathaniel
Posted January 6, 2009 at 4:03 pm | Permalink
Brian,
Now you pervert the conversation with your lies.
I am not more willing to kill someone, only prepared to do so if need be.
Would you kill someone to protect a member of your family or a loved one?”
A little defensive there Nathan.
Do I detect a twinge of guilt, perhaps in reconciling your career to your faith?
it is perfectly natural to question things like that though.
Brian,
There is nothing in my faith which prohibits me from protecting my family or others from those that would do them harm, even if that meant killing.
Such silly things to go on and on about. What are the chances that an ordinary person will ever be in a “kill or be killed” situation.
cosmos_originally
Posted January 6, 2009 at 4:07 pm | Permalink
Regular,
Prove that what I posted here is inaccurate.
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When you post other scientist are wrong, you don’t have a clue do you?
You are not qualified to say Climate Scientists counter the AGW argument are wrong.
Any attempt by you to do so, shows your arrogance and your failure to understand you are not qualified in climate science to state they are wrong on their opinion.
Posting links doesn’t cut it if you don’t understand the science.
You don’t understand the science at a PhD level in Climate Science and yes, you are arrogant.
Any refutations by you are to be ignored, because you are simply not qualified to say they are wrong.
Which means, you are wrong 90 percent of the time.
DavidB
Posted January 6, 2009 at 4:30 pm | Permalink
Such silly things to go on and on about. What are the chances that an ordinary person will ever be in a “kill or be killed” situation.
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Much greater then the chances of being in a fire.
Do you have smoke/fire alarms and/or fire extinguisher at home?
DavidB,
It matters when someone is going to mock someone serving in the military for possibly killing someone or when they are trying to push some unrealistic and naive view of pure pacifism.
“I love the complete stupidity of people like you Mary.
As you accuse someone of reading only what validates their own opinions you claim that you ignore anything my father posts.
LOL, hypocritical idiot.
There’s Nathan again..the shining example to us all of what Christian love is all about. Speaking of reading, you might try the prayer of St Francis sometime, Nathan…even though it obviously doesn’t validate what you believe.
I’ll read what ever your dad has to write…not but his “cut and paste” from some conservative propaganda rag.
I heard Nathan went skiing last weekend..LOL!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/06/vail-chairlift-accident-l_n_155578.html
Mary,
So while in one post you denounce me for calling you names and making things personal you make fun of me in the next?
And you sit there wondering why I call you a hypocritical idiot?
Do you practice being as ignorant as you are?
“…not but his “cut and paste” from some conservative propaganda rag.”
Like the HuffingtonPost?
“It matters when someone is going to mock someone serving in the military for possibly killing someone or when they are trying to push some unrealistic and naive view of pure pacifism.”
Wasn’t Jesus a pacifist? I guess you think He’s a naive, stupid hypocrital idiot, too..LOL!!!!!
“JimJohnson
Posted January 6, 2009 at 4:43 pm | Permalink
Much greater then the chances of being in a fire.
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I don’t believe that. Are you making up things again?
“There is nothing in my faith which prohibits me from protecting my family or others from those that would do them harm, even if that meant killing.”
The Commandment “Thou shalt not kill” is often mis-represented. It is more correctly “Thou shalt not commit murder”. There is a difference,
“Wasn’t Jesus a pacifist?”
Is some things, he absolutely was not at all a pacifist.
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“So while in one post you denounce me for calling you names and making things personal you make fun of me in the next?”
Oh come one, Nathan..it’s exactly what you want me to do..otherwise you wouldn’t use every opportunity to attack me first…I’m only attacking back in “self defense”..it’s my God given right!!
Isn’t that what you believe?
“Is some things, He absolutely was not at all a pacifist.”
Care to explain?
“XXX posted it just a week ago. And most of the cons, like nathan, believe it too.
Just goes to show what intellectual giants they are.”
And the record shows that the fat pig who launched an unwarranted attack was not me.
“List any inaccuracies you find at the two links in this post.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/01/open-thread-16-2/#comment-498306”
You have stumbled upon your credibility problem.
You didn’t write anything in those links.
You just believe they are true.
They wrote it.
I believe it.
That settles it.
Reg,
CosMo is again proving how zealous he is about his AGW belief. He judges who is right and who is not without any formal scientific credentials and attacks those who do. By not revealing his credentials he proves he has none.
He thinks that a negative can be proved and accepts opinion as facts as long as they promote his belief and he believes that the science is settled without debate. By calling skeptics deniers he only proves that AGW is based on faith and not science. I believe he’s done more to promote the skeptics than he has AGW.
Jesus a pacifist?
Hardly.
Revelation 19: 11-16
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war.
12 His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself.
13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses.
15 From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty.
16 And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”
Jesus Parkay..why do you insist on posting these horrible stories that only validate the pro-choice point of view? Even I’d rather see a baby aborted than drowned in a toilet after it’s born.
What the HELL is your point?
“fleettwood
Posted January 6, 2009 at 4:55 pm | Permalink
The Commandment “Thou shalt not kill” is often mis-represented. It is more correctly “Thou shalt not commit murder”. There is a difference,”
I hope you are willing to risk eternal damnation on your translation skills….
““Is some things, He absolutely was not at all a pacifist.”
Care to explain?”
(Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)
The Lukan parallels (12:49–53,14:25–33) read:
“I hope you are willing to risk eternal damnation on your translation skills….”
I’m not a Christian, but my translation skills are fine.
Jesus a Pacifist?
Hardly:
Matthew 10: 34-35
34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
35 “For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;”
What does that have to do with Jesus, Nathan? Obviously you didn’t read my whole post because I said the one thing I can’t stand besides “cut and paste” is someone who tries to make a point by quoting Bible verses.
Maybe you need to focus on what Jesus taught, not the book of Revelations if that’s how you form your values (or lack of).
SOME “savior” ya got there.
“so that with it He may strike down the nations,”
He’s been pretty good about ignoring the nations so far. I’ll settle for that.
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Mary_Caruso
Posted January 6, 2009 at 4:58 pm | Permalink
“Is some things, He absolutely was not at all a pacifist.”
Care to explain?
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When He returns He won’t be a pacifist.
Brian,
Translation?
One only need read the Bible to see that there is no prohibition on any killing at all.
Do you even believe in Christ as your Lord and Savior?
Bible literalists crack me up.
“For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;”
That’s really stupid…so are you supposed to turn against your father?
““For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;”
And you think gay marriage is a threat to family values?
Jesus the home wrecker!
“donndublin
Posted January 6, 2009 at 5:06 pm | Permalink
When He returns He won’t be a pacifist.”
you better straighten your act up then
Mary,
You sit here trying to argue with me that Jesus was a pacifist based on what, if not the Bible?
Then you say that you don’t like my using Bible verses to show you that you are wrong?
How many ways can I call you an idiot? I am running out.
Sounds like Jesus is coming back to put everybody on the Jerry Springer show!
“When He returns He won’t be a pacifist.”
Whatever….see how you all use the bible to justify your hate and intolerance? To strike out at or turn against anyone who doesn’t agree with your interpetation of the bible or your “Christian” beliefs?
I’m sure I can find just as many references that Jesus made to love and kindness in the Bible…but you guys only cheery pick what validates your anger.
That’s really pathetic.
Brian,
It’s not ALL about you. Even non-Christians like Fleetwood understand that. The problem with libs is that they want to be their own god.
So Nathan..if you’re supposed to turn against your own father…then what about the 4th commandment?
Why don’t you explain it if you’re such an expert on the Bible? Why do you only refer to the parts of the Bible that call for intolerance, hatred, anger, war, etc? Is it that you are only trying to justify your own negative attitude and your hatred towards others?
Regular posted January 6, 2009 at 4:35 pm
cosmos_originally
Posted January 6, 2009 at 4:07 pm | Permalink
Regular,
Prove that what I posted here is inaccurate.
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When you post other scientist are wrong, you don’t have a clue do you?
You are not qualified to say Climate Scientists counter the AGW argument are wrong.
Any attempt by you to do so, shows your arrogance and your failure to understand you are not qualified in climate science to state they are wrong on their opinion.
Posting links doesn’t cut it if you don’t understand the science.
You don’t understand the science at a PhD level in Climate Science and yes, you are arrogant.
Any refutations by you are to be ignored, because you are simply not qualified to say they are wrong.
Which means, you are wrong 90 percent of the time.
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Regular,
Please be careful. . . all that wild arm flailing could cause you to have another stroke.
But thank you for admitting that you cannot find any inaccuracies in my posts above, re AGW climate science.
outlander will probably be disappointed that Harold Ambler’s post has been so thoroughly debunked by real AGW science.
Mary,
You are the one here claiming that Jesus was a pacifist.
Based on what, if not your very own use of Biblical verses to do so.
Then you sit here protesting when we quote scripture to you to prove otherwise.
How stupid can you possible be?
“Republicans appear eager to use Mr. Holder’s nomination to assert their ability to make life uncomfortable for the new administration, with advisers suggesting that they hope the number of no votes cast against Mr. Holder might approach the 42 such votes cast against John Ashcroft’s nomination as attorney general eight years ago.”
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/republican-senator-blasts-nominee-for-attorney-general/?hp
Business as usual… obstruction and vengeance -db
“The problem with libs is that they want to be their own god.”
The actions and lives of the “libs” I know resemble what Jesus taught much more than the gun loving, hatefilled, intolerant, conservative fundamentalists.
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“And the record shows that the fat pig who launched an unwarranted attack was not me.”
Well, there ya go. Always someone else’s fault with these guys. No personal responsibility.
I’m not sure why, when you said it, it’s an unwarranted attack.
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IIRC, someone else has quite the pot belly….
Mary,
I have never preached any hatred here. I have never preached intolerance either. I have not used any scripture to promote anger, hatred, or intolerance either.
Must you resort to lies on top of your stupidity now?
“One only need read the Bible to see that there is no prohibition on any killing at all.”
No kidding. People are being killed all over the place in the Old Testament! You think some movies have a high body count? They are pikers.
fleettwood posted January 6, 2009 at 5:00 pm
They wrote it.
I believe it.
That settles it.
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They wrote the facts.
If you disagree, then post their errors.
Hehehe. HAHAHAHAH.
“I’m only attacking back in “self defense”..it’s my God given right!!
Isn’t that what you believe?”
Good one Mary. They really do practice what they preach on that “he/she did it first” dont they?
I think parkay is just helping make the point that given all his examples, straight people just should not be allowed to marry or raise children.
“The actions and lives of the “libs” I know resemble what Jesus taught…”
What. Like all the non-believers are going to burn? That’s what He taught. In fact, that is why He was even here in the first place. All the other stuff was just stuff.
“Then you sit here protesting when we quote scripture to you to prove otherwise.”
You haven’t done that, Nathan..you only cheery pick the verses that validate your misinterpetation of what Jesus taught.
As far as I can see, you have no idea what it really means to be a Christian..you try to talk the talk at times, but you certainly don’t walk the walk. Not at all. You only refer to your “Christian” faith when it suits your purpose..not the other way around, like Jesus taught.
“I have never preached any hatred here. I have never preached intolerance either. I have not used any scripture to promote anger, hatred, or intolerance either.”
HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA…..
cosmos_originally
Posted January 6, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Regular,
Please be careful. . . all that wild arm flailing could cause you to have another stroke.
But thank you for admitting that you cannot find any inaccuracies in my posts above, re AGW climate science.
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Yet another lie by cosmos. I admitted no such thing.
Let me give you an analogy perhaps you can understand.
You’re not a physician, so giving out medical advice or saying some Physician is wrong about his diagnosis is foolish and stupid.
The same with climate science. When you attack credible scientists with legitimate claims against AGW, you are playing ‘Doctor.’
That makes you foolish and stupid.
“I’m sure I can find just as many references that Jesus made to love and kindness in the Bible…but you guys only cheery pick what validates your anger.”
I would call that cherry picking. You sound angry, but I am not. I just like to point out your hypocricy.
“I have never preached any hatred here. I have never preached intolerance either. I have not used any scripture to promote anger, hatred, or intolerance either.”
You don’t have to, Nathan..your own actions and words speak loudly of the hatred and anger in your heart.
“They wrote the facts.”
How do you know? Throw up your own research and defend that.
They said it (I didn’t)
I believe it (faith is a wonderful thing)
That settles it (or I’ll call you stupid)
Mary,
I love the irony of someone like you who doesn’t even believe in Jesus telling me what it is that He taught let alone how I don’t know what it means to be a Christian.
So, please tell us Mary, what does it mean to be a Christian?
And by what is it that you base your claim on?
“I would call that cherry picking. You sound angry, but I am not. I just like to point out your hypocricy.”
No, you don’t get it either….and it’s spelled “hypocrisy”.
How can you say you believe and follow what Jesus taught when you use the Bible to feel superior, and to hate and condemn your fellow man?
Hee hee heeee Mary. Sounds like Jack Black singing “you pick and choose, you pick and choose”.
Mary,
Calling you stupid is not hatred or anger. It is a simple fact.
No, you anwer MY questions, Nathan. Let’s see how you justify your actions and your hateful words with your Christian faith. The ball is in your court.
“I love the irony of someone like you who doesn’t even believe in Jesus telling me what it is that He taught let alone how I don’t know what it means to be a Christian.”
I notice he isnt commenting on fleetie interpreting the bible or quoting scripture.
But then, fleetie agrees with him.
I think that’s the real criteria here.
And ya know Mary. We are mere women…. How DARE we argue with him!
Mary,
What hateful words? What actions?
Tell me these specific incidents you are talking about and I can answer.
“Calling you stupid is not hatred or anger. It is a simple fact.”
A wonderful example of what I’m talking about…do you think your Jesus approves?
Mary, Are you a fundamentalist liberal?
“Let’s see how you justify your actions and your hateful words with your Christian faith.”
Well ya know Mary, in con world, it will be
a. Someone else’s fault, or
b. Someone else did it first.
The Culture of Personal Responsibility dictates that they are NOT responsible for their posts.
We are.
“The White House said Tuesday that President Bush, never one to procrastinate, has started the process of packing his belongings for when he leaves the White House later this month.”
PRAISE GAWD!
(BTW, What caliber handgun would Jesus carry?)
“A wonderful example of what I’m talking about…do you think your Jesus approves?”
Oh I’m sure he does. Just like he approves of bigotbawks and his premeditated lying.
Waiting for them to blame chas…
“What hateful words? What actions?”
We’ve all been there. Let’s not go again.
ANTI still loves Jesus.
“What hateful words? What actions?
Tell me these specific incidents you are talking about and I can answer.”
Just read everything you posted today, Nathan. There are lots of examples of your anger and your hatred. Come on now…how do you justify it if you try to live your life as an example of what Jesus taught in the Bible.
His teachings were pretty simple and straight forward, you should be able to figure it out.
the Jesus of the Bible seemed to like women as I recall. It was that bas**rd Paul who seemed to despise them.
LOL!!!! What’s a “fundamentalist liberal”…I’m not sure if I am or not!
Heh, yeah, David. And he was a self loathin queer too.
In a purely fairy tale way, of course…
“The Culture of Personal Responsibility dictates that they are NOT responsible for their posts.
We are”
Wow, did you hit the nail on the head, frmgrl!
The literary character known as paul, I mean. Not Jesus. As you noted, the character known as Jesus seemed to like Mary Magdalene just fine.
Why Fox News rules!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,477084,00.html
Sensational!
Now they run a macabre carnival act…
“GUESS YOUR DEMISE”!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, has Nathan run out of the room again?
Come on Nathan…fight like Jesus would want you to!!!! LOL!!!!!
That reminds me of a South Park episode!
I think he had to call his pastor for some coaching.
No one’s meaner than terry fox. Unless it’s joe wright or phred phelps.
Interesting link, Pleefer…
Does that mean that Jesus ISN’T gong to come back and float away the faithful on a cloud into heaven? Damn!!!
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Mary_Caruso
Posted January 6, 2009 at 5:29 pm | Permalink
“I would call that cherry picking. You sound angry, but I am not. I just like to point out your hypocricy.”
No, you don’t get it either….and it’s spelled “hypocrisy”.
How can you say you believe and follow what Jesus taught when you use the Bible to feel superior, and to hate and condemn your fellow man?
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Thanks for the correction spell police. I get what you are saying but you don’t get what Jesus said but you will one day. Until then I’ll kick the dust off my feet and move on.
“I notice he isnt commenting on fleetie interpreting the bible or quoting scripture.
But then, fleetie agrees with him.”
The New Testament is fairly clear. To those who buy it, fine for them.
“Pastor Mark” at Spirit One is competing for first place now.
Sometimes?
I ALMOST feel sorry for faith.
It has so few good ambassadors here and so many bad ones.
But, as with cons, I suppose the faithful here are a fair approximation of faith at large.
“I get what you are saying but you don’t get what Jesus said but you will one day.”
No, I get what Jesus said just fine..you’re the one who’s clueless.
outlander,
Regular couldn’t find any inaccuracies in my posts above, re the post by the musician/boat rowing book author, Harold Ambler.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/01/open-thread-16-2/#comment-498013
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/01/open-thread-16-2/#comment-498306
fleettwood is too lazy to try.
outlander, if you and your AGW deniers cannot prove that those links do not thoroughly debunk Ambler, then Ambler is stuck up the “creek”, without a paddle.
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Mary_Caruso
Posted January 6, 2009 at 5:36 pm | Permalink
LOL!!!! What’s a “fundamentalist liberal”…I’m not sure if I am or not!
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What about a fundamentalist atheist then?
Gosh, using con logic, which I’m not, we could read this and say, which I’m not, that the European Jewish folks asked for this? Ya know, who started it first? Blame the victim anyone? ‘Cause ya know that is what the Arabs are saying. Just like the cons here say whatever the Palestinian civilians get, they asked for….
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090106/ap_on_re_eu/eu_europe_gaza_jews_attacked
Like I said, an eye for an eye makes the world blind.
LOL!!!! What’s a “fundamentalist atheist”…I’m not sure if I am or not!
Unbfortunatly you’re probably right, BJ…so few good ambassadors for Jesus. Only the angry and hateful ones who grasp at faith and use it as a weapon in order to feel better about themselves.
Talk about the spelling police..I could use a call from them!
“Like I said, an eye for an eye makes the world blind.”
I wonder how many innocents will die, how much property will be destroyed, and how much grief will be caused before one of these mucho macho countries blinks?
But hey, we’re STILL safe from gay marriage…..
Nate: Being admonished to feed the hungry, clothes the naked, visit of the sick, give alms, and bury the dead, coupled with the Sermon on the Mount can’t be taken seriously, it’s leftist propaganda planted by some damn commie.
You got that right, sursum! That’s why I said most of my liberal friends live like Jesus taught. They’re the ones doing that leftist activity that you sited above..and with love no less…can you imagine people being so “stupid”?
Everyone’s gone now cosMo. You can clock out and go home now.
“But hey, we’re STILL safe from gay marriage…..”
Yeah, it’s OK to blow up little kids and old ladies..Jesus would certainly approve of that. But two people who have the audacity to fall in love and want to spend their lives together…now that’s really pushing it!
cosmos_originally
Posted January 6, 2009 at 5:49 pm | Permalink
outlander,
Regular couldn’t find any inaccuracies in my posts above, re the post by the musician/boat rowing book author, Harold Ambler.
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cosmos lies once again.
I never even looked at the posts.
cosmos is a liar.
Anton LeVay would be proud of you Mary.
God Bless.
“Everyone’s gone now cosMo. You can clock out and go home now.”
Yeah..all the cons run away when they get confronted. And poor Nathan hasn’t even tried to come back with any of his “bait and switch” attempts..
The Holy Romans did their darnedest to destroy the feminine. Iesus’ wife, relegated to hooker status. Nice.
Regular posted January 6, 2009 at 5:24 pm
cosmos_originally
Posted January 6, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Regular,
Please be careful. . . all that wild arm flailing could cause you to have another stroke.
But thank you for admitting that you cannot find any inaccuracies in my posts above, re AGW climate science.
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Yet another lie by cosmos. I admitted no such thing.
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Regular, I sincerely apologise for my inaccurate statement. I should’ve said:
“But thank you for proving that you cannot find any inaccuracies in my posts above, re AGW climate science.”
All that Regular can do is attack me. Regular does not understand climate science.
“The Holy Romans did their darnedest to destroy the feminine. Iesus’ wife, relegated to hooker status. Nice.”
Yeah, just another example of twisting the Bible to suit their agenda.
“Regular does not understand climate science.”
Most cons don’t try to understand it. For whatever reason, It would be against their religion.
Anton LaVey! He wrote some rediculous books…but in the Satanic Bible there are “The 9 Satanic Statements”:
1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!
They almost seem like a Christian wrote them nowadays. As the Ten Commandments kind of went by the way-side.
Yeah..all the cons run away when they get confronted.
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I still love Jesus and I’m still here. Although, I showed up late in the thread.
How is one a Fundamentalist Atheist? Either you believe in a God/Gods or you don’t. Thinking Atheism some how a religion or belief structure is like thinking not collecting stamps is a hobby
OkO writes, “As for the Old Testament being a good history book, I along with many scholars believe that it is. Many relics found in these regions point to the truthfulness of the history contained therein.”
Actually, it’s not too good as a history book. The Israelites were imprisoned by Babylonia and freed by Cyrus the Great of Persia when he conquered Babylon.
But the alleged enslavement by Pharoh in Egypt is almost certainly untrue. Egypt was never a slave society, according to the PBS historian Michael Wood. Also, the Egyptians were good historians for the time, and they make no mention of enslaving Jews for centuries.
Also, the number of generations of humans cited in the “begat” sequences cannot possibly add up from David to Jesus as the Bible claims.
“They almost seem like a Christian wrote them nowadays. As the Ten Commandments kind of went by the way-side.”
The similarities are sota scary.
That’s “sorta”
“not collecting stamps is a hobby”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
That’s fuggin’ funny.
I don’t collect STD’s as a hobby, myself.
The similarities are sota scary.
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Actually, they reminded me of liberals.
Idn’ it?
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
That reminds me of a lot of arguments on here about “redistribution of wealth” and “liberal freeloading” by quite a few “good Christians”. Until the end of the year, when you have to get those donations in (so they count on this year’s tax return).
“Actually, they reminded me of liberals.”
“Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates”
“Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!”
Sorry, those are con values.
Mary_Caruso
Posted January 6, 2009 at 5:59 pm
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heheheh. HAHAHAAHAAHA!
yeah. Jack Black is right. They “pick and choose, they pick and choose”.
So in the pickin’ and a choosin’, let’s make constitutions against love, not for them.
I’m sure Jesus is nodding his head in agreement….
“I still love Jesus and I’m still here. Although, I showed up late in the thread.”
So what does being a Christian mean to you, Anti? If you could name the top 5 values that a Christian must internalize..what would they be?
I love the one that satan has kept the church in business for centuries.
Like I said earlier, it’s ALWAYS about the Benjamins.
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
Sounds like Hamas and Israel.
All in the name of god, though.
I think Satan has Nathan’s tongue right now!
“Nothing to kill or die for..and no religion, too”
John Lennon..what a wise man.
All the turmoil in the Mideast is causing oil prices to rise? The decline in consumption means they had to curb the supplies, and not the other way around?
Gee, I dont suppose the arabs and israeli’s, bush’s best friends, had THAT in mind, do ya?d
http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/106398/As-Prices-Rise,-Some-See-$2-Gas
Hey, Frmgrl…can you come to our celebration for Obama?
Yeah Mary. How DARE he say the world should give peace a chance!
Uh, with all due respect Mary, I have nothing to celebrate about obama. He’s no friend to me and mine.
That leftist radical! To LOVE your enemy…I mean, how unChristian can you get?!?
“15 From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty.”
A most interesting verse in the Apocalypse… If one were to do a word study in, sasy, Strong’s Concordance, one would find numerous references that compare the “tongue” to a “sharp” sword, or to a “two-edged” sword.
The reference here from the Apocalypse i most definitely referring to the “tongue” as the sharp sword coming from the mouth of the “Christ” figure. He is coming to put his enemies in their place, with his WORDS… and his DEBATE… or perhaps DIPOMACY would actually be a better word than DEBATE….
Those who can navigate the Greek New Testament can find the truth in this analogy… In fact, most of the Apocalypse is analogy, and not literal events…
Well, can’t you come an celebrate that Mccain and his bimbo didn’t win? We could call it a McCain defeat celebration!
But I am glad the nightmare known as bushco is at an end. And I would like to see my pals, but I think inauguration day will be sad for us, not a happy day. Especially with rick warren center stage.
Crooks and liars has been saying that if obama keeps reaching out to these wingnuts, he’s going to draw back a chewed up and bloodied hand. They are wondering how long it will take for him to wake up and realize that these pukes cant be worked with.
We just like it if you’d come, frmgrl…haven’t seen you in so long.
Chas, I dont care what these wingnuts say. You represent your Christ well.
Thanks Mary. I’d like to see you too. It has been way too long. I just think this isnt the occasion.
I understand..I’m just so grateful Bush is outta there. I think things are going to change for you, too. At least I hope they do.
Heh Chas, one of my clients operated the bookstore at Concordia University in Austin. When I was down there, I used to LOVE to peruse the textbooks used in the pre-seminary program. Amazing what you can learn…
“At least I hope they do.”
Me too, Mary, but obama is certainly not giving US any hope for change.
Well, that’s it for me…it’s been a long and very productive day..I’m helping one of my long time friends move out of the nursing home that she has lived in for 8 years this weekend. She is moving to a “home plus” facility which is a private home where she’ll have 24 hour care and her own private room. We’re going shopping this week for new linens and things for her room..she’ll even get to have cats again. I don’t know who is more excited…her or me.
See ya.
I think we might look to Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi for guidance on war and peace and the use of violence. His views are more relevant than those supposed words of the rabbi from Nazareth.
And we are pretty sure he actually existed. ;->
Mary_Caruso,
Regarding the news stories about murdered newborns, often suppressed by the national media, there are several points that need addressing. One is the lack of effectiveness of safe haven laws enacted in every state in reducing the number of illegal abandonments and murders of newborns to nearly zero. New proposals include extending time limits to at least 30 days after birth, and targeted advertising campaigns about the provisions of the laws. Another is the lack of consistently harsh criminal sentences applied to mothers who murder or illegally abandon newborns. (Safe haven laws eliminate any justification for leniency in most cases.) Another is the way legalized abortion destroys respect for the value and dignity of human life, driving up infanticide and child abuse. Another is the exposure of some of the many oft-repeated lies of the abortion lobby claiming that abortion will solve society’s problems, like “every child a planned and wanted child.”
You forgot one parkay.
Straight people, vis a vis your examples, just should NOT be allowed to raise babies or get married and have them.
How about posting some examples of how gay marriage encourages straight people to murder their newborns?
So what does being a Christian mean to you, Anti? If you could name the top 5 values that a Christian must internalize..what would they be?
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Mary, I am not in the mood for games this evening and I have noticed you are not one for answering others questions.
You are not the one who I will justify myself.
If you have a problem with Jesus, fine. Just don’t defile me for my personal beliefs.
That’s really cool Mary. Nursing homes are not good for long term living, and should be a last resort not a first choice. Of course the insurance companies are using nursing homes as dumping grounds to avoid paying hospital bills. I’m not saying that’s what happened with your friend, but it sure is what insurance companies are recommending.
I hope your friend enjoys her new home!
BTW Mary, I am FAR from a perfect Christian…but I try to better myself. I am no greater or no less than any man(P.C. person).
“And we are pretty sure he actually existed. ;->”
heheheh. HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!
Ghandi’s teachings are pretty much flawless. Awfully good for a mere mortal. Too bad they are so damn hard for us humans to follow.
I feel the need now to make salt!
Gandhi even.
“But two people who have the audacity to fall in love and want to spend their lives together…”
Then do it. No one cares. Then STFU.
BDP. Yawn.
And.. OMFG….
Sanjay GUPTA as Surgeon General?
Obama wiffs again. Who the hell is advising him on appointments? Oprah?
The comments here are pretty damn funny.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×4779242
How the Dino’s really died:
http://img.ffffound.com/static-data/assets/6/e52eacc4fb7de4945ed45f190a0d5c45464e8c22_m.jpg
And you thought the Howitzer was modern…jeez.
I think now, more than ever would be the time when folks would try as hard as they could to be Christ-like. But vanity, greed, sloth and arrogance seem to always win out. And when the alleged leaders of the Church are the worst of the worst in judging another, then the flock just follow suit. It’s sad that we are such a lost nation.
Jesus wept. Satan laughed.
Jesus wept. Satan laughed.
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Pretty much.
Surgeon General is Public Relations job… I think this is an interesting possible choice…
ksfarmgrrl
Posted January 6, 2009 at 6:37 pm | Permalink
Heh Chas, one of my clients operated the bookstore at Concordia University in Austin. When I was down there, I used to LOVE to peruse the textbooks used in the pre-seminary program. Amazing what you can learn…
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Next time you’re in Austin, check out the book stores at either the Presbytrian or Lutheran seminaries there… LOTS of good learning materials there… LOTS….
Concordia, as you say, has books used in the PRE-seminary program….
ooops — Presbyterian seminary…. typo village today….
Actually there is a “group” who call themselves
“Gay Marriage Killed the Dinosaurs.”
This group is for people who understand the grave risks of gay marriage. Some suggest gay marriage will merely undermine one of our most fundamental societal institutions, causing countless straight couples to get divorced because exclusion of gays was the only thing holding their marriage together.
But we know better. Gay marriage killed the dinosaurs.
They have published the 12 reasons gay marriage is wrong, and they’re pretty good!
I joined this group just today. ;-)
“Gay Marriage Killed the Dinosaurs.”
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Yeah….They are idiots!
“This group is for people who understand the grave risks of gay marriage. Some suggest gay marriage will merely undermine one of our most fundamental societal institutions, causing countless straight couples to get divorced because exclusion of gays was the only thing holding their marriage together.”
Linda in all of the extensive reading I have done concerning this topic, most of it on this blog, I have never heard anyone say this is why they oppose changing the definition of marriage. Where have you read that? Enlighten us please or is this just more lame lib humor that trys to minimize anyone who doesn’t agree with their own narrowminded opinions.
You really should enroll in a class that will educate on how to debate logically.
Read it and weep you religion bashers:
Washington, Dec 31 (IANS) Religious people are better off than their atheistic counterparts in many ways – having greater discipline which is critical to success and being better at pursuing and achieving long-term goals.They also tend to have lower rates of substance abuse, better school achievement, less delinquency, better health behaviours, less depression and longer lives.
Michael McCullough, professor at the University of Miami, evaluated eight decades worth of research on religion, which has been conducted in diverse samples of people from around the world.
He found persuasive evidence from a variety of domains within the social sciences, including neuroscience, economics, psychology, and sociology, that religious beliefs and religious behaviours are capable of encouraging people to exercise self-control.
“The importance of self-control and self-regulation for understanding human behaviour are well known to social scientists, but it has not received much explicit attention,” said McCullough. “We hope our paper will correct this oversight in the scientific literature.”
Among the most interesting conclusions that the research team drew were the following: Religious rituals such as prayer and meditation affect the parts of the human brain that are most important for self-regulation and self-control.
When people view their goals as “sacred”, they put more energy and effort into pursuing those goals, and therefore, are probably more effective at attaining them.
eight decades worth of research on religion, which has been conducted in diverse samples of people from around the world.
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People with religion in their lives, raised in a faith, and living with faith live longer, are more apt to stay in their relationships, are healthier, and have more productive satisfying work lives.
All are welcome!
What’s this? WebMD?
WebMD Health News
Reviewed by Martin F. Downs
Religion appears to soothe the body as well as the soul, as people who are highly religious tend to live longer than others, a review of more than 40 scientific studies has found.
In fact, overall, the people who were most involved in their religions were 29% more likely to be alive when the various studies were completed than were their nonreligious counterparts
Canada is pushing religion to cut down on the feds healthcare costs:
Religious People Live Longer-Study Shows
A study conducted in Canada showed that religious people live longer. Dr Koenig summarised the research finding that linked involvement in religious activities like praying, church attendance and faith with improved immune system, longevity and many more health benefits.
So basically what your saying is that is doesn’t matter what religion one follows as long as they follow? If that’s true one argue whats the point then?
Well Chaplain this just reinforces what we have know all along. Look at the opposition on this blog alone. The libs are all bundles of nerves which make up facts so they can argue against them as Linda just did and cons just set back and laugh. Of course we are healthier.
Believing L Ron Hubbard’s books and thinking that neurological disease are all make believe sure didn’t help John Travolta’s son either
Believing L Ron Hubbard’s books and thinking that neurological disease are all make believe sure didn’t help John Travolta’s son either
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Anything can be taken to the extreme.
Hell, I have lost childhood freinds to the church of the first born…
The thing that you forget is that there are idiots in every group!
Libs, look at your own groups.
Always a flaw in every diamond.
friends, for the spelling police.
Law abiding citizens, trained in the proper use of firearms, can only enhance the peace of our communities. Armed homes are a deterrent to violent crime.
“Jesus instructing His followers to sell some of their clothes and buy a sword. When they
indicated they had two swords among the twelve of them, Jesus then said that it was enough, as we see in Luke 22:36 and 38: “Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one….
And they said, Lord, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.”
Jesus did not prohibit his disciples from having lethal weapons, but instead made sure that at least some of His disciples had them. He even suggested the method of funding for the purchase of weapons. “Sell your garment” implies the fairly basic necessity of them being armed during their travels. This cannot refer to a “spiritual” sword since a “spiritual” money bag and knapsack and garment would seem to be stretching an interpretation to fit a preconceived idea.”
peace out. I gots some work to do monyana.
“All that Regular can do is attack me. Regular does not understand climate science.”
He clearly does not understand science of any kind. He is a huge fraud and he knows it, but won’t admit it. That’s why he’s called Reguliar.
He is a physically and emotionally crippled man; he is totally clueless, but can be a big person on this blog by being a very shameless troll. This is his only chance at living, which he loves. Don’t feed him and perhaps he will stroke out and die soon. Of course, the preceding would not be the Christian thing to do, so do what you must and carry on…
StevenEDavis
Posted January 6, 2009 at 8:46 pm | Permalink
“All that Regular can do is attack me. Regular does not understand climate science.”
He clearly does not understand science of any kind. He is a huge fraud and he knows it, but won’t admit it. That’s why he’s called Reguliar.
He is a physically and emotionally crippled man; he is totally clueless, but can be a big person on this blog by being a very shameless troll. This is his only chance at living, which he loves. Don’t feed him and perhaps he will stroke out and die soon. Of course, the preceding would not be the Christian thing to do, so do what you must and carry on…
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Once again SDavis shows what a small evil little person he really is. And then the libs lament among theselves about how awful they are treated by the big bad cons o the blog.
You are a bunch of unhappy people who only find happiness in demeaning others and their value systems.
Cosmos can believe anything he wants to. He has no right to rail against anyone who posts something that disagrees with his position. Most of the world is coming to that conclusion. He has not proven anything but an ability to cut and paste and post links ad nauseum. He sounds like a closet kook.
“Believing L Ron Hubbard’s books”
It’s not reading books or just saying you believe.
It’s an active church lifestyle; going to church, participating in church activities, following routine and repetitive actions. Fellowship with like minded believers.
Believing = action. Just stating one believes in God doesn’t make a lifestyle.
For instance, the teenagers who say the believe in God and then sign a promise to not engage in sex before marriage. Some laugh at the results which are those who say they believe in God get just as pregnant (frequency) as those who do not.
But of those girls raised in a religious home, attending services, and living a life surrounded by fellow believers – the numbers getting pregnant are much smaller. Libs laughed at this one, but they just misunderstood. To non-believers, anti-christians, and those who choose NO belief system – asking someone if they believe in God and then trying to project a “christian lifestyle” everyone saying yes – is silly.
Lesson for the day: Go to church. Any church. Church of the painted tiger, one-eyed walleye. Your choice.
“SDavis shows what a small evil little person he really is.”
Once again, germ, shows what a small evil little person she really is.
That’s all she can do, because that is all she really is. Sad. Unfulfilled, never self-actualized, and pretty stupid as any casual observer, could tell.
He is a physically and emotionally crippled man; he is totally clueless
StevenDavis you are a very low sort of life. At least what you post if it reflects you – does not make one think highly of you.
Steven,
I’m sorry. I’ve just received email which notified me that your sole job here is to attack other posters and name-calling.
You are just a regular troll it seems.
Correction: not “pretty” stupid, but rather “profoundly” stupid.
Night, granny and all.
StevenEDavis posted January 6, 2009 at 8:46 pm
He clearly does not understand science of any kind. He is a huge fraud and he knows it, but won’t admit it. That’s why he’s called Reguliar.
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Steven,
That seems to sum up Regular very accurately.
On AGW, Regular mostly just attacks me, and refuses to discuss the science.
He even attacked Ben on the well-mixed atmospheric CO2 issue, instead of admitting that he (Regular) was wrong about it.
And it’s interesting how Regular, fleettwood, ksgrm (okie) and the other AGW deniers here run away, instead of defending the post outlander said “merited posting for discussion’s sake”.
This is a good debunking of the carbon diZERO author, with graphs and supporting links.
‘Ambler Huffs and Puffs, but really he just blows‘
http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/ambler-huffs-and-puffs-but-mostly-he-just-blows/
outlander posted January 6, 2009 at 8:21 am
An interesting piece on Huffington Post, of all places, from an author researching a book on the politics of global warming. Even the lefties are starting to have their doubters.
This is the article that Cosmos doesn’t want anyone to read. He wants to censor folks from posting any opinion piece contrary to his global warming religion. Which is why I am posting it. Watch for his reaction.
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The interesting “reaction” is the failure of ALL of the AGW deniers on this blog to defend Harold Ambler’s multiple falsehoods.
Yet another debunking of Ambler,
‘Huff Po blows it
Skeptic screed on progressive news site recycles familiar myths’
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2009/1/6/82954/04643/
Plus my earlier post — wildfires caused by 1998 El Nino caused more CO2. (not C-zero-2).
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/01/open-thread-16-2/#comment-497987
mary, open your eyes. there is far more hate in these blogs from those on the left than the right. in reading what you have written above you have done everything you could to avoid answering any questions or challenges. it is typical of those on the left. complain, acuse, vilify, etc. but never any solutions, never any answers.
chaplin: Folks who take care of themselves do live longer, but I wonder what the stats would be for agnostic runners vs. obese pew-sittin’ Baptists? Betch the runners win. Lifestyles do help but then the tax break Canadian families get if they enroll their kids in sports does more good for their health than reading the Bible for an hour every day. I don’t think your quote from Canada is straight. The study says that religion MAY play a factor but much more must be done to develope studies to see if there is ANY connecton between religious involvement and health status….I read the report, did you? You guys never cease to amaze me with misquotes and outright misdirection for it speaks to the value of the message when the messenger is dishonest
Oh cosmos, just go away…..nobody cares except to get some rest from it.
More good news on our little black friend, Clean Coal:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/07/us/07sludge.html?_r=1&hp
“In 2007, according to a coal industry estimate, 50 tons of fly ash even went to agricultural uses, like improving soil’s ability to hold water, despite a 1999 E.P.A. warning about high levels of arsenic.
Contamination can be swift. In Chesapeake, Va., high levels of lead, arsenic and other contaminants were found last year in the groundwater beneath a golf course sculptured with 1.5 million tons of fly ash, the same type of coal ash involved in the Tennessee spill. The golf course opened in 2007.”
“The libs are all bundles of nerves which make up facts so they can argue against them as Linda just did and cons just set back and laugh.”
Is that right?
No, it isn’t.
I can cite examples. Bawks’s pwning of himself. Paul Rosell’s absolute cartoon of the right. LRB and Joe Williams and their meltdowns here.
And you have?
Post under your own nic Hank.
Everyone is hip to the chaplain schtick.
bawks posted January 6, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Oh cosmos, just go away…..nobody cares except to get some rest from it.
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Thank you bawks, for helping to prove my point.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/01/open-thread-16-2/#comment-498559
““Jesus instructing His followers to sell some of their clothes and buy a sword.”
Did they leave the swords at the last supper?
“And then the libs lament among theselves about how awful they are treated by the big bad cons o the blog.”
Uh, where?
Paul Rosell’s gripe was that I bullied him. NOW I get the same from bawkslots.
I don’t remember the last time a con ever won a fight here. They DO gripe alot in losing them.
good night; good luck; god bless —-
whatever you perceive god to be!!
blessings ALL!!
blessings on the peaceful transition of power in this great nation of the United States!!
blessings on a new administration in just two weeks!!
so mote it be!!
cosmos_originally
Posted January 6, 2009 at 9:33 pm | Permalink
StevenEDavis posted January 6, 2009 at 8:46 pm
He clearly does not understand science of any kind. He is a huge fraud and he knows it, but won’t admit it. That’s why he’s called Reguliar.
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Steven,
That seems to sum up Regular very accurately.
On AGW, Regular mostly just attacks me, and refuses to discuss the science.
He even attacked Ben on the well-mixed atmospheric CO2 issue, instead of admitting that he (Regular) was wrong about it.
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How was I wrong?
Are you and Ben saying that co2 is the same level no matter where you sample it?
Sure sounds like it.
My point was that co2 is not well balanced. It varies from source to end distribution point quite widely.
Evidently both of you have forgotten that gas (co2) is not a static flow in the environment.
It is dynamic and constantly changing.
Further, if co2 levels where the same in all places of the atmosphere, then there would be no need to do sampling.
One could just say co2 levels at point x and point y are this, therefore, the global distribution of gas is the same level.
I don’t think so.
Regular posted January 7, 2009 at 12:00 am
Are you and Ben saying that co2 is the same level no matter where you sample it?
Sure sounds like it.
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Regular,
Thank you for proving the point Steven and I made — you do not understand climate science.
cosmos once again shows his ignorance stating that gas levels are the same at ground level as they are at 6-7km in altitude.
From Wiki on co2
Carbon dioxide in earth’s atmosphere is considered a trace gas currently occurring at an average concentration of about 385 parts per million by volume or 582 parts per million by mass.[16] The mass of the Earth atmosphere is 5.14×1018 kg [17], so the total mass of atmospheric carbon dioxide is 3.0×1015 kg (3,000 gigatonnes). Atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide fluctuate slightly with the change of the seasons, driven primarily by seasonal plant growth in the Northern Hemisphere. Concentrations of carbon dioxide fall during the northern spring and summer as plants consume the gas, and rise during the northern autumn and winter as plants go dormant, die and decay (see graph at right). Concentrations also vary considerably on a regional basis: in urban areas it is generally higher and indoors it can reach 10 times the background atmospheric concentration.
cosmos does not know basic science.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/04/states-fed-up-with-epa-on-co2/#comment-324176
Too bad cosmos, you lose.
Both you and Ben stated that co2 is the same everywhere in the atmosphere. I just proved both of you wrong.
You narrowly minded think that some artificial measurement at some altitude represents the common co2 measurement everywhere around the earth. It does not.
Why do you think there are climate regions? Because of your consistent co2 levels?
No, latitude and longitude affect climate regions significantly, along with the concentration of gases and moisture in the respective regions. Altitude and other factors set the climate region as well.
Your narrow minded co2 theory fails to explain climate region along with your constant co2 levels.
Even farmers know that co2 levels are higher in some types of crops than others, depending on the altitude, climate region and type of crop.
Non-scientists like yourself probably think the rain forest represents the largest forested region in the world. It is not.
The Taiga forest is the world’s largest forest stretching from Eurasia to North America. It represents the largest land based photosynthetic region in the world for gases such as co2 and O2.
cosmos does not understand science, he relies on blogs and cut n’ paste for his knowledge.
cosmos thinks climate regions are determined by co2 alone.
cosmos is foolish and does not understand the climate.
Granny,
“Linda in all of the extensive reading I have done concerning this topic, most of it on this blog, I have never heard anyone say this is why they oppose changing the definition of marriage.”
If that’s not the reason, the only other reason I can think of is good ole christian hate.
cosmos thinks that gas concentrations are the same at all levels.
Let us propose that cosmos travel up in altitude to about 80,000 feet and see how much available oxygen there is to breathe.
According to cosmos’s failed logic and his co2 is the same everywhere in the atmosphere, this should apply to oxygen as well.
Yes, let’s have cosmos test his failed equally distributed gas theory at 80,000 feet and see how well he breathes.
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“Oh cosmos, just go away…..nobody cares except to get some rest from it.”
The rest we all crave cosmos is rest from you, and your constant monotonous single subject drone.
We don’t care, do whatever you like but shut the he11 up for once.
Get it….nobody with a life even cares.
You go right ahead on cosmos.
See the burr you are in their knickers? We’re ALL better off when the cons are in a snit. It focuses them on their snit and then we can get stuff done without their interference.
It’s not like they have anything of value to add anyway.
Regular posted January 7, 2009 at 2:14 am
Too bad cosmos, you lose.
Both you and Ben stated that co2 is the same everywhere in the atmosphere. I just proved both of you wrong.
You narrowly minded think that some artificial measurement at some altitude represents the common co2 measurement everywhere around the earth. It does not.
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Regular does not, and cannot understand climate science.
Regular lies about what other posters believe.
Well-mixed atmospheric CO2 levels show seasonal variations, due to vegetation.
The variations are larger at Northern latitudes (more land), and have the opposite phase in the Antarctic region (opposite seasons).
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/04/states-fed-up-with-epa-on-co2/#comment-324176
“mary, open your eyes. there is far more hate in these blogs from those on the left than the right. in reading what you have written above you have done everything you could to avoid answering any questions or challenges. it is typical of those on the left. complain, acuse, vilify, etc. but never any solutions, never any answers.”
I don’t think so….the good right wing “Christians” on this blog seem never at a loss for name calling, insults, and put downs. Please show me an example of when I’ve ever personally called someone an insulting name (besides George Bush).
And I’ll anwer any question you ask…as long as it’s not an attempt to distract from answering a question I’ve asked you.
That’s Nathan’s game…trying to keep people on the defense so he doesn’t have to explain himself..when it doesn’t work, he runs off with his tail between his legs.