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Looks like it will be chilly today, outside as well as on the WE Blog, but we are in a warming trend.
The moon is waxing or gaining more light, about 1/2 way from “no” moon on its way towards a Full Moon sometime next week.
Chill beber, have a doughnut and some coffee. :D
I don’t eat doughnuts. They’re filled with transfats. But have several yourself.
Cake doughnuts are fine to eat, whole grain or have a bagel.
Whole grain donuts. Why don’t I just eat a bale of alfalfa?
beber I too get a kick out of some censorship, back when we got our first computer my youngest came to me and complained that the nanny program would not let him watch a video. The video was suppose to be of a Yeti the video named “Snow walker”. The Nanny stated that the video was not age appropriate for him.
I started messing with it to see what it would allow and though it would not let him watch such a video.
I was able to get into a web site that advertised women’s under garments such as corsets with pictures of bare breasted women only wearing a corset!
Lets see try Shiites on many it will not let you use the name of that sect of Moslems.
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beber
Posted January 4, 2009 at 6:56 am | Permalink
I suppose enough people whined to management that some of the language on this blog was not really appropriate that the management decided to take steps, and install the new Super Nanny.
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It’s a public Blog. We know who posts, but we don’t know who reads it. Maybe kids though I don’t for the life of me know why they would. Still, some of the most vile language shows up here. If you can’t make your point without a lot of vile language, maybe you shouldn’t be posting in the first place.
I don’t seem to be having any problem with the new program.
writerdog
Posted January 4, 2009 at 8:07 am | Permalink
beber I too get a kick out of some censorship, back when we got our first computer my youngest came to me and complained that the nanny program would not let him watch a video.
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Dog, back when I was doing computer repair a friend called. Her daughter was doing a school project on butterflies and the nanny wouldn’t let her go to half of the sites she needed to use. She had set the program when she first got her IP service and couldn’t find the properties to reset it.
Nanny programs can be a real pain.
Interesting:
http://www.rense.com/general84/obss.htm
hehehe
“Whole grain donuts. Why don’t I just eat a bale of alfalfa?”—beber
Isn’t that what you always eat beber, I mean it is “udderly bovine”.
XXX,
I sure was having trouble last night with the censorship, and I didn’t post one piece of foul language. Most of mine were in reference to the Israeli/Hamas conflict and a link to a great New York Post article talking about the excellent Israeli military performance, and the extraordinarily difficult measures they are going to to avoid civilian casualties.
Boxlock20
Posted January 4, 2009 at 8:47 am | Permalink
XXX,
I sure was having trouble last night with the censorship, and I didn’t post one piece of foul language.
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Box, I don’t have an answer on this one. I don’t think anybody really knows what’s going on. Is it a glitch in the software, or did the Eagle add something new?
Earlier in the year, everything I posted was tagged. It went on for months.
I don’t have a lot of faith in the Eagle’s software or their hardware. I suspect they’re like a lot of companies; they’ve been reluctant to move into the computer age. They probably have one or two aging servers and not much of an IT staff.
From, of all places, the Huffington Post
Harold Ambler
Posted January 3, 2009 | 11:36 AM (EST)
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Mr. Gore: Apology Accepted
You are probably wondering whether President-elect Obama owes the world an apology for his actions regarding global warming. The answer is, not yet. There is one person, however, who does. You have probably guessed his name: Al Gore.
Mr. Gore has stated, regarding climate change, that “the science is in.” Well, he is absolutely right about that, except for one tiny thing. It is the biggest whopper ever sold to the public in the history of humankind.
What is wrong with the statement? A brief list:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harold-ambler/mr-gore-apology-accepted_b_154982.html
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Boxlock20
Posted January 4, 2009 at 8:47 am | Permalink
Israeli/Hamas conflict and a link to a great New York Post article talking about the excellent Israeli military performance, and the extraordinarily difficult measures they are going to to avoid civilian casualties.
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No matter what, there are going to be a lot of civilian casualties. That’s the nature of the beast when it comes to urban warfare. At least the Israeli army takes civilian casualties into account, unlike Hamas.
The Israeli military is one of the finest fighting forces in the world. They have to be. For them, there’s no alternative except to win. Most Arabs will accept no solution except the total obliteration of Israel.
This is going to be a long, bloody conflict.
Interesting: The only thing I can find on Harold Ambler is he is a musician, essayist and writer. I find nothing on his technical background, which makes his essay suspect. Didn’t say wrong, just suspect.
Hmmmm, an earlier comment on Hank’s link is moderated.
Wichick is the new moderator, JM. You’ve proved it.
If this moderation stuff is not lifted, I think we should consider abandoning this blog and founding another.
I’m tired of the Eagle’s games.
you could just move over to topix, but I doubt anyone would follow.
they have a nanny too.
moderated. I doubt that the Eagle gives a wombat’s hiney.
Castro?
Alabaster?
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BlueJay
Posted January 4, 2009 at 9:38 am | Permalink
If this moderation stuff is not lifted, I think we should consider abandoning this blog and founding another.
I’m tired of the Eagle’s games.
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BlueJay, starting and maintaining a stand-alone blog is a lot of work and can be very expensive if you do it right. Where’s the money going to come from?
Details to be worked out later X.
I’m hopeful that this “moderation” is a glitch.
But, if it isn’t, the Eagle should inform us.
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BlueJay
Posted January 4, 2009 at 9:51 am | Permalink
Details to be worked out later X.
I’m hopeful that this “moderation” is a glitch.
But, if it isn’t, the Eagle should inform us.
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Has anybody asked the Eagle?
I had a post tagged yesterday morning, but nothing since. I wonder why.
Off subject, but here’s something interesting…
“In 1971 a search for gas went wrong when a whole drilling rig fell into an underground cavern. Natural gas started coming up from the hole. It was set alight so it wouldn’t kill everything around.”
http://thewarindrew.tumblr.com/post/67327981/in-1971-a-search-for-gas-went-wrong-when-a-whole
Check the cool pic.
XXX,
I know that Rage, Monkeyhawk and myself sent emails to The Eagle. I sent along a post ‘awaiting moderation,’ asking what might be objectionable. Rage sent me a copy of his email which was very politely written, short, to the point. Maybe it will be addressed when the weekend ends?
cosmos_originally
Posted January 3, 2009 at 11:17 pm | Permalink
JimJohnson posted January 3, 2009 at 11:08 pm
G*D Cosmos, 10-year old data links.
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CO2 has a average lifetime of a CENTURY or more. If you want an updated map (if it even exists) find it yourself.
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Now this is funny.
Cosmos, whose entire reason for existence is to proclaim Global Warming to the entire planet, posts a link to data that is 10 years old.
The biggest CRISIS facing this planet, life on Earth will end soon, and the GW Alarmists do not have current data to make their case.
Why?
Perhaps the data in the last 10 years does NOT support Global Warming!
That’s right Cosmos, your hiding data from the last 10 years because it does NOT support your political view – which is to use Global Warming to scare countries into redistribution of MONEY.
Carbon Credits, they don’t do siht to stop global warming.
But, Carbon Credits do make sure that Billions of Dollars are redistributed.
Higher Fuel Taxes and Fuel Subsidies for the Poor is another tactic. Higher taxes to supposedly discourage energy use and decrease GW gases, then Subsidies for the poooooooooor, who can’t help contribute to solving GW, because they don’t care and can’t afford it.
So the Government will take more money from the rich in the form of Higher Energy Taxes, and give even more money to the pooooooor in the form of Energy Subsidies, Home Heating/Coooling credits.
Great scheme – Global Warming.
XXX is one of the few that expresses the accurate view of Israel fighting enemies on all sides, in order to protect a very tiny piece of land.
Yet the Libs don’t attack him for some reason.
Funny.
The truth must depend on who is saying it.
XXX
Posted January 4, 2009 at 9:46 am | Permalink
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BlueJay
Posted January 4, 2009 at 9:38 am | Permalink
If this moderation stuff is not lifted, I think we should consider abandoning this blog and founding another.
I’m tired of the Eagle’s games.
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BlueJay, starting and maintaining a stand-alone blog is a lot of work and can be very expensive if you do it right. Where’s the money going to come from?
BlueJay
Posted January 4, 2009 at 9:51 am | Permalink
Details to be worked out later X.
I’m hopeful that this “moderation” is a glitch.
But, if it isn’t, the Eagle should inform us.
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1. What would BJ do if he couldn’t blog all day? Work maybe?
2. Here Mr. Bravado is not only going to save the world, but he’s also going to set up his own blog. If he can figure out how to convince SOMEBODY ELSE to set-it up, AND pay for it.
YES! I AM THE MIGHTY BLUE JAY, HERE TO SAVE THE WORLD, AND SET-UP MY OWN BLOG! QUICK NOW, SOMEBODY DO ALL THIS FOR ME!
Actually JJ,
I don’t dispute XXX on very much. Not only, does he tell the truth about Israel, he also has a bigger gun to bring to the dispute.
The posts that seem not to be moderated are those where one poster levels personal criticisms of another. Doesn’t seem a great way to stimulate discussions, but arguments should thrive.
Actually, what Cosmos is intentionally hiding, is the emission rate by country of greenhouse gases.
By posting 10 year old data yesterday, he’s hiding the fact that China, India, and the rest of the 3rd World have increased their emissions to the point where the contribution of the US is now small, compared to the rest of the world.
If our contribution is so small, then Cosmos’ agenda of having America redistribute wealth, will not solve the problem.
HLP
Posted January 4, 2009 at 10:25 am | Permalink
Actually JJ,
I don’t dispute XXX on very much. Not only, does he tell the truth about Israel, he also has a bigger gun to bring to the dispute.
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Oh, I agree with him too most of the time. Especially liked his comment about going shooting with Conservatives, because there aren’t any Liberals to go shooting with.
I think Boxlock posted this link yesterday:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01012009/news/columnists/bam_stirs_fears_in_israel_146762.htm?page=2
It supports one reason for Israel to take action now against Hamas. They fear what Obama might do to either a) not support Israel or b)try to stop Israel.
The only reason the US would need to attack Hamas, would be for Hamas to be firing hundreds of rockets at say, California.
Aw I’ll go shooting at…er with ya James.
Need another limp?
BlueJay
Posted January 4, 2009 at 10:32 am | Permalink
Aw I’ll go shooting at…er with ya James.
Need another limp?
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Is that a threat BJ?
“JimJohnson” –
No CON ever asked me to go shooting. I suspect they’re afraid I might do to them what they’d like to do to me.
“Hunting accident.” It’s such a forgivable thing.
It wasn’t no “lib” what shot his buddy in the face with bird shot on February 11, 2006.
Nah it’s a hook and you jumped right on it Zeke.
Oh that article isn’t biased at all JimJones. Stop drinking the Koolaid man. Its about time we got some fresh perspective into who is REALLY behind all the Israel/Palestinian divide instead of always ignoring the bad stuff Israel does, and always pointing the fingers at Palestine.
One good way is to let them get some dang food.
I’d fire a rocket at you too if my family was starving to death.
My lib friends shoot and own guns. He can come up here and shoot with us.
Oh, and monkeybrain wants to continue to bring up the Cheney incident.
It’s not unknown to have birdshot fall on a nearby hunting party or dog. It’s a rare event, but with millions of hunters, siht happens.
Given the millions of hunters every year, there is a very small percentage of accidents.
Most deaths from hunting are heart attacks. When out-of-shape fat guys decide to carry a bunch of gear and hike several miles while hunting, sometimes their heart gives out. Falling out of tree stands is another hazard. Getting shot directly by another hunter – rare.
BlueJay
Posted January 4, 2009 at 10:36 am | Permalink
Nah it’s a hook and you jumped right on it Zeke.
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Oh good. Cause you know what happens to those who make idle threats.
Political_mama
Posted January 4, 2009 at 10:37 am | Permalink
Oh that article isn’t biased at all JimJones. Stop drinking the Koolaid man. Its about time we got some fresh perspective into who is REALLY behind all the Israel/Palestinian divide instead of always ignoring the bad stuff Israel does, and always pointing the fingers at Palestine.
One good way is to let them get some dang food.
I’d fire a rocket at you too if my family was starving to death.
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Well ya know, if the Palestinians would spend more time and devote more resources to growing food then making war, then they could sustain themselves.
It’s a choice THEY have made.
“Oh good. Cause you know what happens to those who make idle threats.”
Yeah. They change their nic 547 times, make more idle threats, and look for their twice barrel.
Hey MonkeyHawk,
I’ll go shooting with you. In fact, I made a challenge a while back for a lib/con shooting match.
My boy and I even offered to teach anyone on the BLOG how to shoot at the Afton range if they wanted to learn.
Time and place, friend. Time and place. I’ll even bring ya a firearm and provide the ammo if anyone wants to learn.
No JR, you have that outcome all wrong. That’s what you do.
Jim, I’ve never gone to pick up a hunter having a heart attack, but I’ve done a number of hunting accidents.
There was one in Hutch just the other day.
Do you make up your own stats?
Not that I agree with this site, but looks like 08 wasn’t a good year for hunting accidents.
http://www.all-creatures.org/cash/taah-sh-20081122-1.html
http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7925528&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.1.1
the actual news article. OMG its on Faux news!
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HLP
Posted January 4, 2009 at 10:25 am | Permalink
Actually JJ,
I don’t dispute XXX on very much. Not only, does he tell the truth about Israel, he also has a bigger gun to bring to the dispute.
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LOL! Thanks for the backup, Hank.
I don’t pick my friends/allies based on their politics. I don’t hate conservatives.
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HLP
Posted January 4, 2009 at 10:56 am | Permalink
Hey MonkeyHawk,
I’ll go shooting with you. In fact, I made a challenge a while back for a lib/con shooting match.
My boy and I even offered to teach anyone on the BLOG how to shoot at the Afton range if they wanted to learn.
Time and place, friend. Time and place. I’ll even bring ya a firearm and provide the ammo if anyone wants to learn.
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Hank knows I’m a lib who likes to shoot. He also knows he has little to worry about with me in a con/lib shoot, as I have trouble hitting the broadside of a barn, not that I’ve shot at many barns:-)
I saw this posted somewhere, but also I watched Fox last night and was just as outraged:
“I was shocked last night watching Geraldo report on the Israeli invasion of Gaza. Geraldo suggested that “US Troops are needed” to stop the attacks on both sides.
WHAT HAPPENED TO WE REPORT – YOU DECIDE? Who the heck is Geraldo to get on national TV and recommend our sons and daughters should be committed to shed their blood between two murderous forces? Here’s an idea: Try to sticking to REPORTING the news in a fair and unbiased fashion. If Geraldo personally wants someone to risk their lives as a peacekeeping force – send himself and his children into harms way!”
“HLP” –
I’m up for it.
I’m a ways out of Wichita.
You wanna come here?
I’ll find a place.
It’d be nice if it were warmer.
Latter part of the week?
Nice source PMom -
The Committee To Abolish Sport Hunting
Why don’t you pull up some CDC stats for death rates? Then compare that to the number of hunters in the US. Several sources for that.
And while you’re at it, you can look up all the gun deaths overall PMom. Then use that in your argument to ban guns.
As for your MO link:
- 6 Shooting Accidents in the entire state of MO this hunting season.
This includes 1 heart attack, 1 stuck in the mud, 1 who’s arrow bounced and shot his friend in the leg.
The news you reported did not include a total count of those killed in MO hunting, and wounded in MO hunting.
Hard to find those stats, huh!
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Political_mama
Posted January 4, 2009 at 10:37 am | Permalink
Oh that article isn’t biased at all JimJones. Stop drinking the Koolaid man. Its about time we got some fresh perspective into who is REALLY behind all the Israel/Palestinian divide instead of always ignoring the bad stuff Israel does, and always pointing the fingers at Palestine.
One good way is to let them get some dang food.
I’d fire a rocket at you too if my family was starving to death.
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PM, they’d probably have better luck getting food in if they didn’t insist on smuggling in rockets and weapons with the food.
You know, Gaza has a common border with Egypt, too. The Egyptians keep that border sealed. I wonder why.
Maybe they don’t like the way they are being treated X.
I guess they could write a strongly worded letter?
“They [Israel]fear what Obama might do to either a) not support Israel or b)try to stop Israel.”
Well then Johnson it appears that the deaths in Gaza, and the invasion by Israel, are directly the fault of the US President Elect, and the democrats who elected him.
Started one war, and he is not even in office yet!
No, Israel tried writing letters. That didn’t work.
Good point AmWay.
Then that’s one war already for Obama.
“No, Israel tried writing letters.”
“The land is ours. God says so. Pack and leave. The bulldozers arrive at noon. Be gone or be under them.”
“I’d fire a rocket at you too if my family was starving to death.”
There you have it – a liberal who will do anything to take, steal, or capture what other people own.
If they can’t take your property via the legislature, they use the courts, if the courts don’t work, I guess they will hire XXX to train them to lob rockets to get what they don’t own.
“…take, steal, or capture what other people own.”
And the Jewish claim on the territory is based on?
Psst…BJ
You are on native American land now.
BJ your claim to your native American land is based on?
If there’s a point in there somewhere Jimmuh, you’ll have to invent it for me.
Sledge Hammer wouldn’t be big enough to knock it thru your thick skull BJ.
JimJohnson posted January 4, 2009 at 10:26 am
Actually, what Cosmos is intentionally hiding, is the emission rate by country of greenhouse gases.
By posting 10 year old data yesterday, he’s hiding the fact that China, India, and the rest of the 3rd World have increased their emissions to the point where the contribution of the US is now small, compared to the rest of the world.
If our contribution is so small, then Cosmos’ agenda of having America redistribute wealth, will not solve the problem.
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And what JimJohnson is publicly displaying is his stupidity.
I posted:
“Actually, CO2 has a lifetime in the atmosphere of about a century. Europe and the U.S. is responsible for much more CO2 in the atmosphere than the developing countries.”
This map, based on data that was released in 2001, shows that.
http://www.wri.org/publication/content/7811
Data thru 2008 will not significantly change a century of the U.S. having emitted much more CO2 than China, etc..
Both industrialised and developing nations need to reduce GHG’s. But the industrialised nations are more responsible for causing the problem, and have a greater responsibility for fixing it.
Industrialised nations also have greater resources to reduce GHG’s.
No matter who wins in Gaza, the Palestinians are going to hate Americans. They are never going to be our friends.
“The land is ours. God says so.”
That’s the justification of the Palestinians, also.
From my comment up page, I ask:
Gaza has a common border with Egypt, too. The Egyptians keep that border sealed.
Why?
And Cosmos will have you believe that CO2 lasts for 100 years, and that what happened in the last 10 years doesn’t matter.
You don’t need to know.
What is Cosmos hiding?
“No matter who wins in Gaza, the Palestinians are going to hate Americans.”
I don’t necessarily accept that this is true or going to be. But people usually have a reason for hate.
Gaza has a common border with Egypt, too. The Egyptians keep that border sealed.
Why?
“Both industrialised and developing nations need to reduce GHG’s. But the industrialised nations are more responsible for causing the problem, and have a greater responsibility for fixing it.”
You see Cosmos’ agenda shining thru here. If the most recent data (which Cosmos is hiding) shows how significant China’s and the growing 3rd world’s contribution is to greenhouse gas production, then Cosmos’ redistribution of wealth plan goes all to hades in a handbasket.
Ya, America should pay for the rest of the world. Cause America is to blame. Riiiiggggghhhtttt.
BJ fidgets, then dodges the question. He doesn’t know what to do. He can’t personally attack a fellow Lib, yet he doesn’t know how else to respond. Confusion in paradise!
Meanwhile, off on another planet, Cosmos is frantically googling away, looking for another link….
Drat! Every recent link that Cosmos finds, does NOT support his argument!
What will he do?
What WILL he do?
Why are the Palestinians lobbing rockets at Israel and not Egypt?
And? Just HOW dangerous are these rockets really?
They don’t seem to be killing NEARLY at the level the Israelis are.
Gaza has a common border with Egypt, too. The Egyptians keep that border sealed.
Why? — xxx
So the weapons and explosives are coming in from Israel? Take a look at the map, and tell me I’m wrong.
Under time pressure, BJ panics and comes up with a lame defense.
A defense btw, also used by Hamas. “Yes we fired rockets before Israel attacked. But our rockets didn’t kill anybody!”
beber offers a feeble attempt at helping BJ defend Hamas, but his effort was so laughable it was ignored. (Except by the commentator, of course)
Tick, tick, tick, tick….
BJ, you better hurry and google something quick! Your time is running out!
(The pressure must be getting to him.)
BJ calls for a timeout, in order to think.
Think
Think
Think
-please standby-
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beber
Posted January 4, 2009 at 12:15 pm | Permalink
So the weapons and explosives are coming in from Israel? Take a look at the map, and tell me I’m wrong.
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They were coming through Israel.
What complete stupidity…
Because the people firing rockets are not very accurate in killing people… well, oh well.
Nevermind that people in Israel are living their lives in bomb shelters from day to day under the threat of rocket attack.
BlueJay, you truly are an idiot.
I’ll try again:
Gaza has a common border with Egypt, too. The Egyptians keep that border sealed.
Why?
BlueJay
Posted January 4, 2009 at 12:14 pm | Permalink
And? Just HOW dangerous are these rockets really?
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They’re rockets with explosive tips fercrissake. How accurate do they have to be?
Ok BJ, just for discussion sake, how about if the Israelis pulled out of Gaza and only matched Hamas rocket for rocket. The Israelis fire one rocket into civilian areas of Gaza for every rocket Hamas fires into an Israeli civilian area. Isreal has bigger, more accurate rockets.
Would you think that was “fair”?
“Nevermind that people in Israel are living their lives in bomb shelters from day to day under the threat of rocket attack.”
Perhaps they should live in a safer place?
A third of them were not even born there. Why choose to live in such a place? It seems like a terribly irrational decision to me.
God may have deeded them the land 20 some centuries ago. He does not seem to have helped them to hold it.
JimJohnson posted January 4, 2009 at 12:06 pm
And Cosmos will have you believe that CO2 lasts for 100 years, and that what happened in the last 10 years doesn’t matter.
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I did not say that what happened in the last 10 years doesn’t matter.
I said that the recent increase of CO2 from developing nations does not significantly change the fact that industrialised nations are responsible for most of the CO2 in Earth’s atmosphere.
Instead of lying about what I said, go find some proof that I’m wrong. Compare the last century of emissions from industrialised versus developing nations.
During the six-month truce that expired Dec. 19, gunmen fired 360 rockets and mortars, the vast majority in the agreement’s waning weeks, the military said. In the year before it took hold, more than 4,300 projectiles were fired, it added.
(Moderator doesn’t like links. You can google this to find the AP news report.)
Two parties, small region. 60 years of history says they cannot live around each other without acting out oppressively (Israel) or violently (Palestinians). Indeed, the continued bloodshed only promises to reinforce itself in a never ending feedback loop.
It seems to me that one group must leave.
As has been pointed out, the Palestinians have no where to go.
Well, except into the sea.
The Israelis are largely foreign nationals or the children of foreign nationals. They DO have places to go. They just choose not to.
BlueJay
Posted January 4, 2009 at 12:30 pm | Permalink
“Nevermind that people in Israel are living their lives in bomb shelters from day to day under the threat of rocket attack.”
Perhaps they should live in a safer place?
A third of them were not even born there. Why choose to live in such a place? It seems like a terribly irrational decision to me.
God may have deeded them the land 20 some centuries ago. He does not seem to have helped them to hold it.
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And your land BJ was taken from the Indians. When are you leaving?
From my comment up page, I ask:
Gaza has a common border with Egypt, too. The Egyptians keep that border sealed.
Why?
XXX I’ll try!
Because the arab countries don’t want the Palestinians anymore than Israel.
I didn’t want to contribute to muddying the water by pointing fingers (historically). But if you look at the history of the palistenians even BEFORE the state of Israel was formed – they were treated like rotten step children by their OWN FELLOW MUSLIMS in the surrounding arab states. Put behind wired camps in Syria!
Nathan,
It amazes me how many people don’t realize that firing a rocket into a civilian neighborhood is not only terrorism, it’s an act of war. That’s an internationally accepted standard.
“And? Just HOW dangerous are these rockets really?
They don’t seem to be killing NEARLY at the level the Israelis are.”
Bluejay please re-read what you posted. Can you really mean that? Are you really that lost?
Those are the same exact words spoken throughout the muslim community following the 9/11 attacks.
American_Way
Posted January 4, 2009 at 12:39 pm | Permalink
From my comment up page, I ask:
Gaza has a common border with Egypt, too. The Egyptians keep that border sealed.
Why?
XXX I’ll try!
Because the arab countries don’t want the Palestinians anymore than Israel.
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BINGO!
Give my friend AmWay a cigar!
That might be relevant if it were in my power to magic away the annihilation of the native American people.
“And? Just HOW dangerous are these rockets really?
They don’t seem to be killing NEARLY at the level the Israelis are.”
What “if” the only person killed was your own only son? (and I pray that never happens)
cosmos_originally
Posted January 4, 2009 at 12:33 pm | Permalink
JimJohnson posted January 4, 2009 at 12:06 pm
And Cosmos will have you believe that CO2 lasts for 100 years, and that what happened in the last 10 years doesn’t matter.
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I said that the recent increase of CO2 from developing nations does not significantly change the fact that industrialised nations are responsible for most of the CO2 in Earth’s atmosphere.
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Link please.
So XXX, the Israelis allow smuggling of weapons and explosives into Gaza from their territory, and then when the weapons are used against them, they react to destroy Hamas. Is that what you are saying?
“Give my friend AmWay a cigar!”
I quit smoking cigarrettes in August. My mouth is still watering whenever I think about one. I’d take your cigar!
So XXX, the Israelis allow smuggling of weapons and explosives into Gaza from their territory,
Wow Beber, you can really turn things around and even upside down!
“It amazes me how many people don’t realize that firing a rocket into a civilian neighborhood is not only terrorism, it’s an act of war.”
So is depriving people of their land an act of war.
Treating them badly after the fact is not necessarily an act of war.
But it does go to illustration of character.
Next weekend would be a good time for me to shoot. I’d rather go to the Bullet Stop, too cold for Afton or Cheney.
Celebrating the boy’s birthday today. I just put a six pound prime rib in the oven. Momma has her twice baked taters ready to go in for the second time while the roast is resting. Made the horse radish sauce for the girls. (I use it straight) Rounding out the meal is a little asparagus. (canned, our home grown is long gone) Momma’s home made canolis for dessert.
In a little while I’ll build a fire in the fireplace. Grandma and grandpa are coming over to help celebrate. Dinner at three, Miami should have it wrapped up by then.
Egypt,Egypt,Egypt,Egypt,Egypt,EgyptEgypt,Egypt,EgyptEgypt,Egypt,Egypt,Egypt,Egypt,Egypt,Egypt,Egypt,Egypt,Egypt,Egypt,EgyptEgypt,Egypt,Egypt
And Ocean, Ocean, Ocean, Ocean,Ocean,Ocean,Ocean,Ocean,Ocean,Ocean,Ocean,Ocean,Ocean,Ocean,Ocean,Ocean,Ocean,
Buy a map, map,map,map,map,map,map,map,map,map.
BlueJay
Posted January 4, 2009 at 12:42 pm | Permalink
That might be relevant if it were in my power to magic away the annihilation of the native American people.
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Oh, it’s not in the current Israelis power to change the past either. And most of em were born after 1948.
Regrettably, we do not have Ed here to give us a less filtered look than we usually get at the nation of Israel.
My take is they are not a good neighbor. And that’s information you have to look hard to find.
“Oh, it’s not in the current Israelis power to change the past either.”
Perhaps they should move on.
“So is depriving people of their land an act of war.”
No it is not. The United Nations recognizes the State of Isreal – just as the world recognizes the United States of America.
Period.
Wars and conflict over land is part of human history, and will continue forever.
There’s no rhyme or reason to this moderation.
Outta here!
“My take is they are not a good neighbor. ”
You are amazing Bluejay. Truly a work of art.
So, your neighbor plays his music loud, smokes dope, throws beer cans in your yard, has a loud mean (biting) barking dog, and urinates on your rose bushes.
Do you lob a few bombs at him?
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beber
Posted January 4, 2009 at 12:43 pm | Permalink
So XXX, the Israelis allow smuggling of weapons and explosives into Gaza from their territory, and then when the weapons are used against them, they react to destroy Hamas. Is that what you are saying?
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Nope. I’m saying that’s why the borders are closed; to stop that sort of thing. Kind of like our efforts to stop drugs, illegals, and weapons coming across our southern border. If we’d close the border, that sort of thing would slow way down.
Monitor clue.
You can’t use the word for “urinate” which starts with the letter “p”. Good catch.
BlueJay
Posted January 4, 2009 at 12:47 pm | Permalink
Regrettably, we do not have Ed here to give us a less filtered look than we usually get at the nation of Israel.
My take is they are not a good neighbor. And that’s information you have to look hard to find.
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BJ, the only one who misses Ed, the overt jew hater.
“BlueJay, you truly are an idiot.”
Good afternoon Nathaniel.
I can see you are right on top of things again today. I agree!
“The United Nations recognizes the State of Isreal – just as the world recognizes the United States of America.”
The people dispossessed by that questionable and emotionally driven decision feel otherwise. The plight of the Jewish people in the mid twentieth century is not their fault. Why should they be made to pay for it?
Bluejay will never respond.
American_Way
Posted January 4, 2009 at 12:42 pm | Permalink
“And? Just HOW dangerous are these rockets really?
They don’t seem to be killing NEARLY at the level the Israelis are.”
What “if” the only person killed was your own only son? (and I pray that never happens)
Attn: Homeland Security
Possible Hamas In the US: See Blue Jay posts on this topic.
people dispossessed by that questionable and
Very few of the people alive today in Gaza or the westbank were in the lands Israel occupy TODAY in 1946.
You are arguing the same argument to give back the USA to native Americas.
Should they too rebel and slaughter?
BJ can’t answer the question as to why Egypt has closed its border with Gaza.
Why?
Because that would mean blaming someone other then Israel for starving the Palestinians.
Cosmos must be back busy googling again. “Where’s that darn link!”
BJ calls another timeout, he’s down to just 1 timeout left.
We’ll take a commercial break now, and be right back.
Take a look at a map of Europe, the middle east, and SW Asia before WW1.
Then after WW11.
Using your logic Bluejay, there should be missles being fired all over the world.
Give Texas back to Mexico.
The Palestinians have no where to go.
The Israelis do have places to go. Many of them in fact maintain dual citizenship.
Say Nathan or anyone else, what do you know about the short-piston gas action of some AR’s like LWRC, and Sig?
The LWRC website has a nice graphic showing how this action works to keep the AR cleaner and more reliable. Instead of venting exhaust gas directly through the chamber to work the action, the gas is directed to a short-piston to work the action instead of using gas directly.
Hasty Generalization example:
“The Israelis do have places to go. Many of them in fact maintain dual citizenship.”
Hasty Generalization definition:
Hasty generalization is a logical fallacy of faulty generalization by reaching an inductive generalization based on insufficient evidence.
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American_Way
Posted January 4, 2009 at 12:43 pm | Permalink
“Give my friend AmWay a cigar!”
I quit smoking cigarrettes in August. My mouth is still watering whenever I think about one. I’d take your cigar!
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Dude, my sympathy!
Bad things happen when people outside of a region draw lines around it and call it a nation.
EARLY history was not kind to the Jewish people. Maybe there are good and bad reasons for that.
While this is lamentable, it is not reversible in a successful way.
The Palestinians have the land they stand on today, roughly the same land area as Israel.
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Generalization:
It commonly involves basing a broad conclusion
upon the statistics of a survey of a small group
American_Way
Posted January 4, 2009 at 1:01 pm | Permalink
Take a look at a map of Europe, the middle east, and SW Asia before WW1.
Then after WW11.
Using your logic Bluejay, there should be missles being fired all over the world.
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No, you need to go back further, to the time of Rome.
We should revert back to the maps of the year Zero or was it the year One?
that fails to sufficiently represent
If Americans were in the shoes of the Israeli’s, there’d be a war to take all of Palestine, and eradicate them from the face of the Earth.
Note to Monitor:
I tried printing the definitiona of Generalization, but it was stopped by the program.
However, I then posted the entire original post, in pieces – and it let me.
GYST please.
If Russia were in the shoes of the Israeli’s, there’d be a war to take all of Palestine, and eradicate them from the face of the Earth.
If China were in the shoes of the Israeli’s, there’d be a war to take all of Palestine, and eradicate them from the face of the Earth.
If Germany were in the shoes of the Israeli’s, there’d be a war to take all of Palestine, and eradicate them from the face of the Earth.
year Zero or was it the year One?
Would we have to use the actors GEICO uses for cavemen, and have them throw a few spears?
If Great Britain were in the shoes of the Israeli’s, there’d be a war to take all of Palestine, and eradicate them from the face of the Earth.
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HLP
Posted January 4, 2009 at 1:13 pm | Permalink
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
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American_Way
Posted January 4, 2009 at 1:02 pm | Permalink
Give Texas back to Mexico.
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Are you shi**ing me? Let them have California!
JimJohnson posted January 4, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Cosmos must be back busy googling again. “Where’s that darn link!”
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No, I’m fixing lunch.
Find your own links to try to prove that:
1) CO2 does not have a lifetime of about a century.
2) a few years of rising CO2 levels from developing nations significantly changes the many years of high CO2 from industrialised nations.
“If Germany were in the shoes of the Israeli’s”
Wasn’t part of Hitlers appeal to the Germanic peoples that he was justified to attack the surrounding countries – to take back what was Germany BEFORE WWI?
American_Way
Posted January 4, 2009 at 1:02 pm | Permalink
Give Texas back to Mexico.
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Are you kidding me? Let them have California!
BlueJay, let’s just put an end to this idiocy about Jews moving someplace else, shall we?
Where exactly do you expect them to move to? Nobody, Jews or anybody else can just move to another country just because they want to. The country you want to move to has to give you permission to emigrate.
To demonstrate my point, I issue you a friendly challenge. You personally apply to emigrate to Australia or Canada. It’s easy and you can do it online.
I can tell you the results ahead of time, but try it.
Moving to another country isn’t as easy as you seem to think it is.
If France were in the shoes of the Israeli’s, there’d be a lot of whining and begging for somebody else to take care of the problem attacks from the Palestinians. They’d cry for the UN to intervene.
Are you shi**ing me? Let them have California!
Hank I was trying to make a point. But I thought we took California from Spain. I’m probably wrong, but even if I’m not:
I vote to give them back California most forthwith!
LOL
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HLP
Posted January 4, 2009 at 1:16 pm | Permalink
American_Way
Posted January 4, 2009 at 1:02 pm | Permalink
Give Texas back to Mexico.
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Are you kidding me? Let them have California!
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AMEN!
Moving to another country isn’t as easy as you seem to think it is.
Of course, to continue BlueJay’s logic: We would have to negate the gaining countries right to refusal.
XXX
Posted January 4, 2009 at 12:04 pm | Permalink
Gaza has a common border with Egypt, too. The Egyptians keep that border sealed.
Why?
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Egypt has almost no natural resources. It depends on acquiring the dollars/Euros it needs to buy them coming in through tourism. For example, the Great Pyramids, the Sphynx.
Because Egypt depends on trade to supply its citizens with natural resources, it’s particularly vulnerable to attacks on the source of its trade. The last thing they need is Palestinian terrorists looking to push the government around by declaring open war on tourists atop the Sphynx (this has happened, btw).
Also, Egypt receives direct foreign aid from the US, among other countries, to keep the border sealed. This obviously helps make up for their dearth of natural resources.
I’m sure there are more.
Hamas is an offshoot of the region’s oldest terrorist group, the Muslim Brotherhood. Hamas began as the Palestinian faction of the MB.
One of the biggest problems with Hamas is that they are not merely a terrorist organization (although they are all of that). They’ve been successful in gaining international respect through their humanitarian efforts in Gaza, which is little more than an enormous dirt-poor refugee camp. Ironically, Hamas is also mostly responsible for Gaza’s dirt poor refugee camp conditions today.
Further complicating the morality of things, they won a US-sponsored democratic election in Gaza, in 2006. While it would be foolish of Israel to allow terrorist attacks on its soil based solely on the fact that the attackers were democratically elected, attacking the governing infrastructure of Gaza also means attacking a democratically elected governing infrastructure.
The situation is not so straightforward as either Israel or the US would prefer. Which is also the plan of Hamas, btw.
“Moving to another country isn’t as easy as you seem to think it is.”
Not to mention every Jew born in Israel has the same logical right to stay there – as the palistenians Bluejay wants to give it back to.
Choice?
happy fun lovin people
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEJLEe9eYr0
I was stationed in Cali for a while. Those people are nucking futz!
Can’t find a link, can you Cosmos?
Cosmos
can’t
back-up
his
MCRD SDIEGO
CAMPEN DELMAR
Don’t mind giving Mexico those areas back. But can we keep the Napa Valley? My wife and I are partial to wine.
JimJohnson
LMFAO! LOL.
Frustrated much?
Why would Cosmos waste a link on your female doggin, Johnson??? You project much??
Pedant
Posted January 4, 2009 at 1:22 pm | Permalink
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Pedant, an excellent and well-thought out post.
Give my friend Pedant a cigar!
These signs
We gladly
Dedicate
To men who’ve had
No date of late
Burma-Shave
(For BJ)
I will have to leave it here for now.
My position is based on getting the least number of people killed, or otherwise mistreated.
For some, and I am not judging who, the existence of Israel is a religious imperative. But religion does not seem to be a good blueprint from which to build nations that get the least number of people killed or otherwise mistreated. See also the last 60 years.
Rationally or otherwise, I argue that the existence of the nation of Israel, in the location chosen for it is a net detriment to the peace and stability of the Middle East region and so the world at large.
As a final note, I would note that in returning conquered lands to other peoples in the region, Israel has made SOME effort at peace. But this must be measured against the treatment they have afforded those most directly affected by the unfortunate geographic location of their recently created nation.
Oh, the Muslim Brotherhood caused a lot of problems in Egypt, which like the former Iraq was one of the largest, albeit poorest, secular governments in the Middle East.
It’s a Sunni group that caused untold grief in Egypt following WWII and the establishment of Israel.
Keeping the border sealed is like job #1 for Egypt.
Twinkle, twinkle
One-e*ed car
We all wonder
WHERE you are
Burma-Shave
(one-e*ed was a bad word)
American_Way
Posted January 4, 2009 at 1:24 pm | Permalink
MCRD SDIEGO
CAMPEN DELMAR
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AmWay, are you one of Uncle Sams Misguided Children?
Anybody here old enough to remember the nightly news coverage of the Algiers war, back when it was Cronkite, and Huntley/Brinkley??? Same kind of stuff we see now between Israel and the Palestinians… Seems that in some parts of the world, things stay about the same….
As for the remarks made about the Darfur region, and the lack of news coverage… That is just plain BS…
bad press for caterpillar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC6C-cAc240&feature=channel
Chas
Posted January 4, 2009 at 1:25 pm | Permalink
Why would Cosmos waste a link on your female doggin, Johnson??? You project much??
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Oh Chas is back to talk about his letter again!
Chas, I bet < 1% of the pastors in Kansas signed that stupid Clergy Letter like you did.
Which means of course, that you are so far left of almost all other pastors in Kansas, not to mention the entire USA.
How’s it feel to be a radical extremist?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56lXIf277-4&feature=PlayList&p=F250545B80383772&playnext=1&index=4
It beats the heck out of being a flaming fundamentalist wacko, Johnson!! LOL
For the record… Pleae note that Johnson brought up the Clergy Letter Project…. just like yesterday… I have posted nothing about that item here today….
JimJohnson posted January 4, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Can’t find a link, can you Cosmos?
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I haven’t bothered to look. You cannot significantly change the ratio of decades of high emissions from industrialised nations with a short-term rise from developing nations.
But since JimJohnson has links proving that I’m wrong, I’ll let him post them.
Come on JimJohnson! Post your proof that I’m wrong, and be a hero to the AGW deniers.
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
I will stick up for Bluejay for a moment. He is trying to express that there are two sides to this story.
And Bluejay is correct in that the American people only seem to see one side.
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
From our own history, we look to WWII and how horrible we thought it that Hitler murdered 7 million jews and ga**ed them. Out of guilt, or a sense of justice we supported
The jews as they illegally immigrated to Palistine and later supported the Jewish State
which was a jewish terrorist uprising – by todays standards. It was a righteous revolution
at that time (from one side).
At that time, no one cared or thought about the billions of barrels of oil hidden under the neighboring Arab lands. No one cared about the arab muslims. What we did care about was using the CIA to bribe a few sheiks – to keep them our friends on their worthless
desert land.
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
From our Christians, we studied in bible school how Moses sat on a mountain top overlooking the God “Promised Holy Land”. It appeared as a big fertile EMPTY valley.
We saw the slaves finally being freed by God arriving in their land of milk and honey.
Nothing could be further from the truth. The jews terrorized and attacked the native peoples living in Palestine murdering hords of men, women, and children. It’s in the bible.
Today, Israel spends billions to keep us on their side. Money probably from the billions we give them in aid annually. They advertise, they lobby our congress, and they have been caught spying on our military. How do you think Israel got the nuclear bomb, heh? Israel knows who takes care of them – and they are smart about it.
Hindsight is 20-20. Perhaps we should have reached out more to the arab countries. Maybe our political method of using the CIA to set up puppet governments in the regioin wasn’t such a good one. Had we nurtured those relationships as we did with the our guilt feelings for jews – perhaps we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in today.
However – none of this justifies Hamas dropping bombs on civilians in Israel today.
Uncle Sams Marching Clods
Uncle Sams Marijuana Children
Semper Fi
Do or Die
(we’ve covered this before, admittedly some time ago.)
Wow 211 posts despite the monitor. Albeit fifty of them are Bebers one liners.
However – none of this justifies Hamas dropping bombs on civilians in Israel today.
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works both ways
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbLnWcnfxpk&feature=related
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American_Way
Posted January 4, 2009 at 1:48 pm | Permalink
(we’ve covered this before, admittedly some time ago.)
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My age is catching up with me.
XXX
Posted January 4, 2009 at 1:22 pm | Permalink
I was stationed in Cali for a while. Those people are nucking futz!
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We am not!!! Give em Guam.
JimJohnson,
I’ll help you. Here are some stats from my earlier link.
U.S. — 30.3%
Europe — 27.7%
Russia — 13.7%
Southeast Asia AND India AND China — 12.2%
That’s 71.7% (industrialised) versus 12.2% (developing).
Now. . . post the stats from your link that shows there has been a “significant” change since the 1999 data (released in 2001)
annie_moose
Posted January 4, 2009 at 1:56 pm | Permalink
However – none of this justifies Hamas dropping bombs on civilians in Israel today.
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works both ways
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I agree with you annie.
As I posted in my monitor disjointed post – we only hear one side.
And sometimes we only hear what we want to hear.
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JMWalker
Posted January 4, 2009 at 1:56 pm | Permalink
We am not!!! Give em Guam.
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Give em Kansas!
I can’t believe none of the people who were blasting Fox on the Fox Thread the other day picked up on my post blasting Fox! Fox is busted.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/01/open-thread-14-2/#comment-496692
“Give em Kansas!”
Might as well, I have to select “2″ for English anyway.
Time to have fun with the cons. They’ve created an army!
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/01/03/redstate-in-2009/
I’m signing up- come on libs, we’re going to have to learn to play their reindeer games.
Go ahead PMOM, dishonesty is a Lib strong suit.
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Another topic in the news and coming to a head tomorrow. From the Wall Street Journal:
Meanwhile, Mr. Reid and Washington Democrats are refusing to seat Mr. Burris, never mind their lack of authority to do so. The legal precedent here is the Supreme Court’s 7-1 decision in Powell v. McCormack in 1969. Congressman Adam Clayton Powell had been accused of corruption but was nonethel**s re-elected in 1966.
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
House Democrats declined to seat him,
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Powe*l sued, and the Supreme Court ruled that Congr**s had acted
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
uncons***utiona**y in denying him his seat. Congr**s could have expe*
I’m signing up- come on libs, we’re going to have to learn to play their reindeer games.
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Sounds like a plan we could start our own battalion dress up, have war games, parades, cook outs, protests, demonstrations maybe we could get rush and hannity to give us some air time.
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And tip of the hat to American Way for his Israel world view
I give up.
The Wall Street Journal article cites the USSC decision in a case of Powell. They ruled Congress can only act on the “fitness to serve in the congress” not on his or anyone else’s pending lawsuit. They also noted that congress can kick someone out with a 2/3 majority.
American_Way
Posted January 4, 2009 at 2:23 pm | Permalink
Meanwhile, Mr. Reid and Washington Democrats are refusing to seat Mr. Burris, never mind their lack of authority to do so.
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I don’t see how they can do that.
Already biting the dust: More dirty demo**ats
Bill Richardson Withdraws as Commerce Secretary-Designate
The commerce secretary-designate has withdrawn his nomination because of an investigation into whether Bill Richardson exchanged New Mexico state government contracts for campaign financing.
This is not the first report in the news about Senator Reid being a racist:
“January 2, 2009
BY NATASHA KORECKI, CHRIS FUSCO AND LYNN SWEET
Days before Gov. Blagojevich was charged with trying to sell President-elect Barack Obama’s U.S. Senate seat to the highest bidder, top Senate Democrat Harry Reid made it clear who he didn’t want in the post: Jesse Jackson, Jr., Danny Davis or Emil Jones.
Rather, Reid called Blagojevich to argue he appoint either state Veterans Affairs chief Tammy Duckworth or Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan, sources told the Chicago Sun-Times.
Blagojevich spokesman Lucio Guerrero confirmed that Reid (D-Nev.) and U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) — the new chief of the Senate Democratic political operation — each called Blagojevich’s campaign office separately Dec. 3. Reid declined to reveal the specific names discussed. William Walls of the Committee for a Better Chicago called Reid’s opposition to the appointment of Jackson, Davis or Jones, all of whom are black, an act of racism.”
When is a trend the truth?
outlander posted January 4, 2009 at 8:58 am
From, of all places, the Huffington Post
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outlander,
Why are you surprised that the HuffPo would post a steaming pile of non-scientific nonsense written by a musician and author of a boat rowing book?
HuffPo posts a variety of authors, even your heroine, Ann Coulter.
Hey maggotpunk….did you know you’re in Wikipedia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Newman
Ha, that’s fantastic. By the way, I got to Troy Newman through looking for Army of God. Go figure.
It isn’t about race doofus, its about seating a senator based on unscrupulous findings.
I don’t see any way the appointment can be controlled by anyone outside Illinois. I’m not trying to protect Blagojevich, but unless and until his state’s legislature relieves him of his duties and responsibilities, the appointment is his to make.
Reid is blowing political smoke and making himself look pretty stupid.
Okay – what in the he–ola is going on with this Blog? Yesterday, my post initially hocked up that “your post is awaiting moderation” b.s. Today, I discover that it was never posted.
I didn’t swear. I didn’t threaten to shoot any Suth-un misogynists six times in the forearms. I didn’t threaten anyone with eternal damnation. I didn’t purport that women are the godlike gender and must therefore rule over men.
None of that s–t.
So what gave, I’d like to know?
Here is part of an email response from The Eagle:
“…we put in a new word filter–clearly an overzealous one. I’ve made some adjustments.“
FilmFan
Posted January 4, 2009 at 3:44 pm | Permalink
So what gave, I’d like to know?
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Nobody knows, FF. It started this weekend, whatever it is. My guess is that on Friday the Eagle had a coder modify the automatic filter in the software here and the change isn’t working correctly; my hope is that it will be resolved tomorrow.
How was Valkyrie, by the way?
woops, looks like Linda has straight dope.
I’m going to watch SED’s recommendation, The Visitor, after the football game.
If anybody has not seen the film Lives of Others, I highly recommend it. It’s German, it’s dubbed, it’s old (2006), and apparently it’s a bit of a darling among movement conservatives (because it’s about the immorality of secret eavesdropping by the Stasi in E Germany in the early 1980s), but don’t let that stop you. Extremely powerful, and a very moving film.
Excuse me, the version of The Lives of Others that Nefflix dropped off here is NOT dubbed. It’s in German, though, and I had the subtitles turned on in English below the screen.
Great movie.
Another very good political German film is “The Educators.”
Radical socialist kids break into rich people’s homes and rearrange their furniture and leave political messages . . .
I found Valkyrie interesting . . . but like something from The History Channel, not very emotionally compelling.
The main character played by Tom Cruise was supposed to be this big hero, but he really didn’t fight Hitler until Hitler’s war tactics were failing.
Up until then, he was nothing more than a conflicted, but dutiful, officer.
What amazes me is how Americans can watch a movie like that and not see themselves in the mirror. We follow our “leaders” right-or-wrong too . .
And people like me who don’t are branded as traitors, terrorist-lovers, America-haters, people who want our soldiers to die, etc. etc.
JJ asks: “How’s it feel to be a radical extremist?”
Actually, it feels terrible. One ends up being right about everything while the vast ignorant masses like you continue to believe everything that’s false . . .
It’s the Greek story of Cassandra–everything one predicts is true, but nobody believes you.
“Come on JimJohnson! Post your proof that I’m wrong, and be a hero to the AGW deniers.”
cosmos,
You made the claims, you provide the links to support them. No one is required to prove your claims wrong….you must prove them valid.
Capn for a long time many Germans did view Stauffenberg, Schindler, and the White Rose and other Germans who opposed Hitler as traitors
“Rationally or otherwise, I argue that the existence of the nation of Israel, in the location chosen for it is a net detriment to the peace and stability of the Middle East region and so the world at large.”
BlueJay, when are you going to wake up to the FACT it is a done deal. Israel exists as a recognized nation to the world except for the few terrorists people and countries they are defending themselves against.
They have a right to defend themselves, their families and their society, and are doing so admirably well I might add.
I am going to see Valkyrie, probably through Netflix, mainly because I want to see how Bill Nighy and Eddie Izzard do at playing German friggin generals.
I have a pretty hard time keeping a grin off my face anytime I see these 2 old Brit comedians. Of course lots of times comedians are great at playing dramatic parts. Jerry Lewis comes to mind, in The Fan. Still, Eddie Izzard is a very funny – and famous – openly transvestite British comedian (he’s not gay, but he does like women’s clothing; he’s described himself as an “action transvestite,” which cracks me up) so he must be really cast against type here.
Anyway, I think the movie may be better than I originally gave it credit for.
Hum, lets compare.
Comparison of Arab and Jewish Nobel Prize Winners
“There are a mere 12 Million Jews in the entire world yet they have received 184 Nobel Prizes.
The Muslims number 1.4 Billion (with a very big “B”)… or 117 times the number of Jews! Based upon this 117:1 Muslim-to-Jewish ratio, one might expect the Muslims to have 24,920 Nobel Laureates.
They have NINE! and one of them [Arafat] is a murderer (Allahu Akbar, indeed!)
Unless the Swedes and Norwegians start awarding Nobel Prizes for plane hijackings, pizza shop bombings, civilian bus attacks, Jihad suicides/homicides, drive-by shootings, throat-slittings, embassy attacks and other such acts of barbarisms, the embarrassing low level of contribution to the welfare of Civilization and Mankind by the [Arab] Muslim world will continue. The Jewish People, meanwhile, will continue being the Lights Unto All Nations.”
And yet there are some advocating, [ie, BlueJay], dismantling the Jewish state of Israel and giving it to the Palestinians. Absurd!
bawksy posted January 4, 2009 at 4:23 pm
“Come on JimJohnson! Post your proof that I’m wrong, and be a hero to the AGW deniers.”
cosmos,
You made the claims, you provide the links to support them. No one is required to prove your claims wrong….you must prove them valid.
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bawksy. . . little JimJohnson claimed that my claim was wrong, and he will post his link(s) to prove his claim.
You people always support your opinions with credible facts! /sarcasm OFF
And outlander will explain why he believes that some garbage written by a musician and author of a boat rowing book is credible science.
I happened to notice in the newspaper today that the record high for this date was in 2006 and the record low was in 1912.
I wonder how many other record highs were set in the last ten years versus record lows.
I’ll bet “dollars to donuts” (as my Dad always says) that the record highs way outnumber the record lows.
cosmos,
I love it, ‘comatose’ makes a claim and expects everyone to accept it unless they bring references proving it wrong.
Again cosmos, if you make a claim you are responsible for supporting it, not someone who questions it.
Dam*, what kind of science do you practice….oh, I forgot you aren’t a scientist, just a wanna-be.
How many Indians, Chinese and Japanese are on the Nobel Prize list, Boxlock?
Are you saying that they too have an inferior culture?
And btw, how many ISRAELI Jews are on the list?
bawksy,
I did support my claim.
If you want to help JimJohnson support his claim, then do it — instead of posting your usual stupid ad hominems.
B*xlock–
What you’re comparing is the number of Europeans (and to some extent, Americans) versus the number of Middle Eastern, P*kistani, and Southeast Asians.
The Europeans and Americans win a lot more Nobel Prizes.
Wow.
Stop the pre sses.
Boxlock
Wow . . . the auto filter won’t let me write the name of the country north of India.
CapnAmerica posted January 4, 2009 at 5:21 pm
I happened to notice in the newspaper today that the record high for this date was in 2006 and the record low was in 1912.
I wonder how many other record highs were set in the last ten years versus record lows.
I’ll bet “dollars to donuts” (as my Dad always says) that the record highs way outnumber the record lows.
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Speaking of gambling. . . AGW is “loading” the dice, for warm years.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2008/
“It was the ninth warmest year in the period of instrumental measurements, which extends back to 1880. The nine warmest years all occur within the eleven-year period 1998-2008.”
Capn,
The Indians, Chinese and Japanese aren’t trying to obliterate a nation and a people to claim it as their land, many of the Arabs are.
Israel
1. Robert Aumann, Economics, 2005
2. Aaron Ciechanover, Chemistry, 2004
3. Avram Hershko, Chemistry, 2004
4. Daniel Kahneman, Economics, 2002
5. Yitzhak Rabin, Peace, 1994
6. Shimon Peres, Peace, 1994
7. Menachem Begin, Peace, 1978
8. Shmuel Yosef Agnon, Literature, 1966
Rank Country Number of Laureates
1 United States 270
2 United Kingdom 101
3 Germany 76
4 France 49
5 Sweden 30
6 Switzerland 22
7 Netherlands 15
8 USSR 14
8 Italy 14
10 Denmark 13
11 Japan 12
12 Austria 11
13 Canada 10
14 Spain 6
14 Australia 6
16 Ireland 5
16 Israel 5, now 8
16 Poland 5
16 South Africa 5
16 Argentina 5
21 India 4
Source: nobel.org
Jewish Nobel Prize Winners
Tuesday June 17, 2008
“Of the 750 Nobel Prizes granted between 1901 and 2007, at least 176 were awarded to persons of Jewish and half-Jewish ancestry. While Jews are approximately 0.25% of the world’s population, Jews make up approximately 23% of all Nobel Prize laureates worldwide between 1901 and 2007. Do you think these astounding statistics are due to nature, nurture or both? And how much better do you think the world would be today if six million Jews had not been murdered in the Holocaust and millions of Jews had not been lost in prior centuries as a result of anti-Semitism?”
“I did support my claim.”—cosmos
Apparently not to Jim’s satisfaction, reference please.
And outlander will explain why he believes that some garbage written by a musician and author of a boat rowing book is credible science.
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Well Cosmos, when did I say that?
What? You admit I didn’t?
Then why did you say that I did Cosmos?
Oh, you don’t know. But you now see that he was now that the guy in outlander’s post was just commenting on Al Gore’s fallacies? And that Gore is not a climate scientist either?
That’s big of you to admit all that Cosmos.
And you apologize for being an obsessed dummy?
That’s OK Cosmos.
As you may already know, Pat Robertson has daily conversations with the Almighty himself (not just prayer, but a continued banter), I get a fireside chat type image in my head, myself. Anyway, at his New Year’s prayer meeting thing, he claims God spoke to him about how Americans “will embrace socialism because of their great pains”. Personally, I think he’s a New World Order piece of poo (he did write a book entitled just that). Check it out, the guy is good at “predicting” or is he just a mouthpiece for what’s already been planned? Getting his flock ready to be fleeced? Yeah, that’s what I think.
Look for yourselves…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5VrJmgzItM&eurl=http://www.infowars.com/?p=6960
I can’t believe that post actually went through…wow HE speaks in mysterious ways for sure!
I did not call for the dismantling of the state of Israel.
I said its location and behavior there are a detriment to that regions and the worlds peace.
And history shows I am correct.
I also do not have a vested or any interest in getting the world destroyed. This is not true of SOME defenders of Israel.
It’s really very bizarre when you think it out. The battle that according to the Bible will end the world occurrs in that region. (Middle East) Christians believe this will bring about the return of Christ.
While continued instability in the region DOES hold the possibility of a world ending conflict, I for one see nothing positive coming out of it.
SO, you have the Christians HOPING that the Jews and the Muslims will destroy each other AND the world so that they can get to see Jesus and go to Heaven.
But those same Muslims and Jews?
THEY don’t get to go.
And THIS is a basic tenet driving our foreign policy.
You couldn’t write stranger fiction.
This is not true of SOME defenders of Israel.
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You haven’t been listening to Israel’s enemies have you?
outlander posted January 4, 2009 at 6:18 pm
And outlander will explain why he believes that some garbage written by a musician and author of a boat rowing book is credible science.
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Well Cosmos, when did I say that?
What? You admit I didn’t?
Then why did you say that I did Cosmos?
Oh, you don’t know. But you now see that he was now that the guy in outlander’s post was just commenting on Al Gore’s fallacies? And that Gore is not a climate scientist either?
That’s big of you to admit all that Cosmos.
And you apologize for being an obsessed dummy?
That’s OK Cosmos.
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You seem to be “slow”, outlander.
Al Gore’s statements are from the credible, peer-reviewed climate scientists.
When your musician and boat rowing book author attacks “Al Gore’s fallacies(sic)”, he is attacking the credible, peer-reviewed climate scientists Gore uses as his sources.
So outlander. . . when you agree with the “comments” from your musician and boat rowing book author, you are saying that he is more credible than all of the peer-reviewed climate scientists Gore uses as his sources.
Is that too complicated for you to understand, outlander?
‘The ‘first true scientist’ ‘
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7810846.stm
Cosmos. I posted without comment a link to an article from The Huffington Post. Do you know what “without comment” means? I decided it merited posting for discussion’s sake. The author is no more mine than yours. If you were not so obsessed, you would realize it and quit flailing around making personal accusations.
It makes you look bad,…er… worse, Cosmos, when you state things about folks that aren’t true. Which I have noticed you are doing with increasing frequency.
One journalist’s views –
Analysis: Israeli pride at a cost
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7810888.stm
The real war in Gaza is between the Hamas terrorists backed and supplied by Iran. The News Media has not even mentioned the trouble Iran is causing here. Israel is fighting for control of their daily lives without the constant bombs and rockets being fired at them. Peace will only come when those are silenced forever.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-halevi4-2009jan04,0,1975444.story
Bawks —-
“And how much better do you think the world would be today if six million Jews had not been murdered in the Holocaust and millions of Jews had not been lost in prior centuries as a result of anti-Semitism?”
Do you have your brown shirt with your swastika on now?? And are you clicking your heels together, while you stupidly face the direction of der vaterland, and scream, Heil Hitler??
Or is that for your next Nazi-loving post??
“Christians HOPING that the Jews and the Muslims will destroy each other AND the world so that they can get to see Jesus
And THIS is a basic tenet driving our foreign policy.”
Sorry Bluejay but I think you are either from a science fiction novel, or smoking some really really good weed. puff puff pass pass
For your rationale to be true, it would include every president since FDR to be involved. I really don’t now of any mainstream christian religion promoting thermonuclear war, to see Jesus.
Like I said puff puff pass pass
And don’t bogart the roach.
So, in the future Cosmos, when I post a link to an article, understand that I do not adopt each and every viewpoint stated. Nor do I vouch for the credibility of the author. It is offered for discussion’s sake unless otherwise noted. Please take it in that spirit and quit the personal attack crap.
“We’re going to visit with him,” Mr. Reid said, referring to Mr. Burris. “We would hope that in the meantime, Governor Blagojevich will do the right thing and step down.”
Mr. Reid said that despite repeated threats from Senate Democrats that they would not seat anyone who Mr. Blagojevich appointed, “there’s always room to negotiate.”
“So you’re not saying no completely that he won’t serve,” said the program’s host, David Gregory.
“That’s right,” Mr. Reid said, nodding.
From Ms Linda’s link:
“Diplomats and leaders on all sides should have done better. They might have avoided this war.”
In pictures: Gaza ground offensive
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7810301.stm
“it would include every president since FDR to be involved. ”
No, just a lot of evangelical Christian prodding.
You don’t have to look far to find it.
What other possible interest would there be? Israel is our ally? They’re more a liability than a help. They have no oil or important resources.
For the muslims, this is all gamemanship, with the UN and world opinion. All of it can and will lead to only ONE acceptable end:
02 Jan 2009
Nizzar Rayyan, the Hamas leader who was killed, along with two of his wives and several of his children, in an Israeli bombing raid earlier this week, was one of the more bellicose Hamas leaders
There was no flexibility with Rayyan. This is what he said when I asked him if he could envision a 50-year hudna (or cease-fire) with Israel: “The only reason to have a hudna is to prepare yourself for the final battle. We don’t need 50 years to prepare ourselves for the final battle with Israel.” There is no chance, he said, that true Islam would ever allow a Jewish state to survive in the Muslim Middle East. “Israel is an impossibility. It is an offense against God.”
I asked him if he believed, as some Hamas theologians do (and certainly as many Hezbollah leaders do) that Jews are the “sons of pigs and apes.” He gave me an interesting answer that reflects a myopic reading of the Koran. “Allah changed disobedient Jews into apes and pigs, it is true, but he specifically said these apes and pigs did not have the ability to reproduce. So it is not literally true that Jews today are descended from pigs and apes, but it is true that some of the ancestors of Jews were transformed into pigs and apes, and it is true that Allah continually makes the Jews pay for their crimes in many different ways. They are a cursed people.”
What are our crimes? I asked Rayyan. “You are murderers of the prophets and you have closed your ears to the Messenger of Allah,” he said. “Jews tried to kill the Prophet, peace be unto him. All throughout history, you have stood in opposition to the word of God.”
http://jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/01/nizar_rayyan_of_hamas_on_gods.php
The only hope is to get some moderate interpretation of the muslim faith – sorta like the radial christian thing in America.
outlander,
Excuse me for assuming that you agreed with the anti-Gore link you posted. I do seem to recall that you have a slight anti-Gore attitude. /sarcasm OFF.
Now outlander. . . do you disagree with the “comments” made by the musician and boat rowing book author? Or agree?
If you are unable to state an opinion about his “comments”, please explain why you made the 8:58 am post “for discussion’s sake”.
Now outlander. . . do you disagree with the “comments” made by the musician and boat rowing book author? Or agree?
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Don’t know, didn’t study them.
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If you are unable to state an opinion about his “comments”, please explain why you made the 8:58 am post “for discussion’s sake”.
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Just responding to your false assertion Cosmos.
roaCH: Goldberg! Jeffrey Goldlberg ain’t about to investigatee the comments of the overwhelming opinion of the Muslim world, which is moderate compared to Rayyan. Howcome the rest of the Middle East sides with Israel in persuit of stability and Mr. Golddberg seems to have missed that somewhat. Go back a bit and see what the Vatican said about Jews over 2000 years, seems they just stopped calling Jews “Christkillers” in the last few years…well officially anyway.
Go back a bit and see what the Vatican said about Jews over 2000 years, seems they just stopped calling Jews “Christkillers” in the last few years…well officially anyway.
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You are right!…..Let’s put them in the ovens!
BlueJay is just itching to shove someone into a furnace!
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outlander
Posted January 4, 2009 at 7:13 pm | Permalink
Cosmos. I posted without comment a link to an article from The Huffington Post. Do you know what “without comment” means? I decided it merited posting for discussion’s sake. The author is no more mine than yours. If you were not so obsessed, you would realize it and quit flailing around making personal accusations.
It makes you look bad,…er… worse, Cosmos, when you state things about folks that aren’t true. Which I have noticed you are doing with increasing frequency.
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Don’t even try outlander, cosmos is a vindictive, sad (..b.
He thinks his precious desmog blog gives him a right to call people a liar just because they post an article. Doesn’t matter what it is, cosmos will get up on his artificial soap box of global warming and point his accusing finger, calling you names.
You know, it’s very sad that there are people in the world like cosmos, narrowly focused on insulting other people and his only is to tear people down, including the blogger’s here and credible scientists. Scientists I might add with climatology degree that would make cosmos sound like a child if they were to meet.
dipsh*ts. (BJ thinkers)
“BlueJay is just itching to shove someone into a furnace!”
Yup Anti.
But only you.
Oh and maybe some other cons.
Howcome the rest of the Middle East sides with Israel in persuit of stability
Gee Surnum, as much as I wish that was true, less than 24 hours ago the entire arab leagu
Howcome the rest of the Middle East sides with Israel
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Gee Surnum, I wish that was the case. But less than 24 hours ago the entire Arab League, to include Turkey condemned Israel. They even lumped the good ole USA in with them in some cases.
Here’s an extract of some, but you can easily go to the web and reach EACH countries comments:
Notice our “buddy” Saudi Arabia?
Gulf newspapers slammed Washington’s “protection of Israel” at the UN which has “prevented any international dissuasive (action) and the possibility of imposing a ceasefire,” wrote the Emirati Al-Bayan daily.
Saudi’s Al-Riyadh attacked US President George W. Bush “who started his first presidential mandate with wars of occupation in Iraq and Afghanistan and ends his (White House) days welcoming the spilling of Palestinian blood.”
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BlueJay
Posted January 4, 2009 at 8:01 pm | Permalink
“BlueJay is just itching to shove someone into a furnace!”
Yup Anti.
But only you.
Oh and maybe some other cons.
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This is You, the Left.
(Holding up a mirror)
Peace to you all…even BJ, good evening.
For some reason they won’t let me post the link to my last post which provided the entire Arab League condemnation of Israel (and in some cases the USA too)
outlander posted January 4, 2009 at 7:46 pm | Permalink
Now outlander. . . do you disagree with the “comments” made by the musician and boat rowing book author? Or agree?
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Don’t know, didn’t study them.
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If you are unable to state an opinion about his “comments”, please explain why you made the 8:58 am post “for discussion’s sake”.
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Just responding to your false assertion Cosmos.
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Okay!! It looks like outlander is a contender for the irrational response award.
He made a post at 8:58 am “for discussion’s sake”, because he was “[j]ust responding to [my] false assertion” that I made hours later.
You’re really “out” there, outlander.
And as a bonus, outlander did not “study” what he posted “for discussion’s sake”.
outlander, why don’t you “study” what you posted “for discussion’s sake”, and then “discuss” it?
Surnum, in my effort to post my link, I came upon another which supports a view that the Arab League is somewhat divided on the condemnation.
I googled “Arab League Condemns” and did come up with others. But there is at least one which contradicts my post.
Again, I hope you are correct, although I don’t see the moderates actually say they support Israel:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/01/world/middleeast/01arab.html?em
outlander,
You posted that you believe that John Stossel is an “excellent journalist”.
Stossel claimed that the (bogus) OISM petition is credible climate science.
outlander, since you claimed that you, a non-liberal, can understand what liberals cannot, please explain some “scientific” points about the OISM petition.
1) How hot is “catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere”? How many degrees? Is that “catastrophic” to life, with maybe a few humans managing to survive underground? Or hotter?
2) How long is the “foreseeable future”? Decades? Centuries? Longer?
Ladies and gentlemen do not let those terrible bloody photo’s from Gaza trick you into a bleeding heart “all we are saying is give peace a chance” crap.
The religious, educational, and political leaders of Hamas are all sworn to the utter destruction of Israel.
But they do THANK-YOU for looking at all the bodies from Gaza.
Regular wants me to continue to provide readers of the WE Blog with accurate facts. That’s sweet!
I dedicate this post to Regular.
‘A New List of Climate Quibblers: Paid Deniers, Dead Guys and Ill-informed Fellow Travellers‘
http://www.desmogblog.com/new-list-climate-quibblers-paid-deniers-dead-guys-and-ill-informed-fellow-travellers
You’re absolutely right Cosmos. You hadn’t had even a chance to make your false assertion (lie) yet. That came later.
Cosmos, no offense, but you have to be close to, if not the, most boring and predictable person I have had the pleasure of corresponding with.
I bet cosmos doesn’t even live in Kansas. He has to go out of own state to do his environmental terrorism.
Maybe I should sniff around the environmental blogs and see what pops up.
And while we eat so much we get fat, play video games, XBox, play our IPOD’s, cell phones, and live in homes with air and heat, the youth of the muslim world are being educated and trained to the ultimate battle. Not an alarmist. But it is interesting that these words, from 13 years ago, still ring true in their world today. And another generation of muslims:
The following excerpt text is a fatwa, or declaration of war, by Osama bin Laden.
The fatwa is entitled “Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places.”
Those youths know that their rewards in fighting you, the USA, is double than their rewards in fighting some one else not from the people of the book. They have no intention except to enter paradise by killing you. An infidel, and enemy of God like you, cannot be in the same hell with his righteous executioner.
The youths hold you responsible for all of the killings and evictions of the Muslims and the violation of the sanctities, carried out by your Zionist brothers in Lebanon; you openly supplied them with arms and finance. More than 600,000 Iraqi children have died due to lack of food and medicine and as a result of the unjustifiable aggression (sanction) imposed on Iraq and its nation. The children of Iraq are our children. You, the USA, together with the Saudi regime are responsible for the shedding of the blood of these innocent children. Due to all of that, what ever treaty you have with our country is now null and void.
It is now clear that those who claim that the blood of the American solders (the enemy occupying the land of the Muslims) should be protected are merely repeating what is imposed on them by the regime; fearing the aggression and interested in saving themselves. It is a duty now on every tribe in the Arab Peninsula to fight, Jihad, in the cause of Allah and to cleanse the land from those occupiers. Allah knows that there blood is permitted (to be spilled) and their wealth is a booty; their wealth is a booty to those who kill them.
Our women encourage Jihad saying:
Prepare yourself like a struggler, the matter is bigger than words!
Are you going to leave us else for the wolves of Kufr eating our wings?!
The wolves of Kufr are mobilising all evil persons from every where!
Where are the freemen defending free women by the arms?!
Death is better than life in humiliation! Some scandals and shames will never be otherwise eradicated.
My Muslim Brothers of The World:
Your brothers in Palestine and in the land of the two Holy Places are calling upon your help and asking you to take part in fighting against the enemy –your enemy and their enemy– the Americans and the Israelis. they are asking you to do whatever you can, with one own means and ability, to expel the enemy, humiliated and defeated, out of the sanctities of Islam. Exalted be to Allah said in His book: { and if they ask your support, because they are oppressed in their faith, then support them!} (Anfaal; 8:72)
outlander posted January 4, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Cosmos, no offense, but you have to be close to, if not the, most boring and predictable person I have had the pleasure of corresponding with.
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Well done outlander! Attack me, instead of explaining why you posted a column “for discussion’s sake”, and refuse to “discuss” it.
And also refuse to defend the bogus OISM petition that was cited by your “excellent(sic) journalist”.
Attack me, and then run away, outlander.
BTW: No “offense” taken. Coming from someone like you, who is unable to defend his opinions, I consider your attacks as compliments.
“I did not call for the dismantling of the state of Israel.”—BlueJay
Okay, I’ll accept that, at least in those words,…so be it.
“I said its location and behavior there are a detriment to that regions and the worlds peace.”—BlueJay
I do not accept that though.
The Israelis want to live in peace, the Arab Palestinians make that impossible.
Both sides feel they have valid claim to the land, but it is in Israeli hands, and has been for 60 years. Not only that, the Israelis are productive in their possession of it, unlike the Arabs were, and are. If the Palestinians want to make a better life for themselves they should be about that, making that their work and not the destruction of Israel and it’s people.
Off topic, but this is an ‘Open Thread’
Obama Said to Push for Tax Cuts in U.S. Stimulus Plan
” Jan. 4 (Bloomberg) — President-elect Barack Obama is pushing for tax cuts amounting to hundreds of billions of dollars in a stimulus package he’s asking Congress to pass within the next several weeks, a transition official and a Democratic aide say.
Obama is asking that tax cuts make up 40 percent of a stimulus package, the officials say. The measure may be worth as much as $775 billion, the Democratic aide says, meaning tax cuts may constitute more than $300 billion of the legislation.
Making tax cuts such a large part of the stimulus may help win support from congressional Republicans. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, a Kentucky Republican, said today his party would support an immediate middle-class tax cut as part of any stimulus package.
“Republicans, by and large, think tax relief is a great way to get money to people immediately,” he said on ABC’s “This Week.”
WHAT???? Sounds CONSERVATIVE to me.
I love it, what’s coming next???
The ‘first true scientist’
–snip–
“Ibn al-Haytham is regarded as the father of the modern scientific method.
As commonly defined, this is the approach to investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge, based on the gathering of data through observation and measurement, followed by the formulation and testing of hypotheses to explain the data.
This is how we do science today and is why I put my trust in the advances that have been made in science.
But it is often still claimed that the modern scientific method was not established until the early 17th Century by Francis Bacon and Rene Descartes.
There is no doubt in my mind, however, that Ibn al-Haytham arrived there first.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7810846.stm
cosmos_originally
Posted January 4, 2009 at 5:08 pm | Permalink
bawksy posted January 4, 2009 at 4:23 pm
“Come on JimJohnson! Post your proof that I’m wrong, and be a hero to the AGW deniers.”
cosmos,
You made the claims, you provide the links to support them. No one is required to prove your claims wrong….you must prove them valid.
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bawksy. . . little JimJohnson claimed that my claim was wrong, and he will post his link(s) to prove his claim.
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Ahhhh, struck a nerve there with Cosmos.
Why?
Because HE can’t support his claim with data more recent then 1999.
Cosmos wants to ignore the last 10 years. Why?
(Pssst…Cosmos can’t or won’t answer)
It’s your assertion Cosmos. Prove it.
You saw it here today folks, Cosmos exposed:
cosmos_originally
Posted January 3, 2009 at 11:17 pm | Permalink
JimJohnson posted January 3, 2009 at 11:08 pm
G*D Cosmos, 10-year old data links.
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CO2 has a average lifetime of a CENTURY or more. If you want an updated map (if it even exists) find it yourself.
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Now this is funny.
Cosmos, whose entire reason for existence is to proclaim Global Warming to the entire planet, posts a link to data that is 10 years old.
The biggest CRISIS facing this planet, life on Earth will end soon, and the GW Alarmists do not have current data to make their case.
Why?
Perhaps the data in the last 10 years does NOT support Global Warming!
That’s right Cosmos, your hiding data from the last 10 years because it does NOT support your political view – which is to use Global Warming to scare countries into redistribution of MONEY.
Carbon Credits, they don’t do siht to stop global warming.
But, Carbon Credits do make sure that Billions of Dollars are redistributed.
Higher Fuel Taxes and Fuel Subsidies for the Poor is another tactic. Higher taxes to supposedly discourage energy use and decrease GW gases, then Subsidies for the poooooooooor, who can’t help contribute to solving GW, because they don’t care and can’t afford it.
So the Government will take more money from the rich in the form of Higher Energy Taxes, and give even more money to the pooooooor in the form of Energy Subsidies, Home Heating/Coooling credits.
Great scheme – Global Warming.
Actually, what Cosmos is intentionally hiding, is the emission rate by country of greenhouse gases.
By posting 10 year old data yesterday, he’s hiding the fact that China, India, and the rest of the 3rd World have increased their emissions to the point where the contribution of the US is now small, compared to the rest of the world.
If our contribution is so small, then Cosmos’ agenda of having America redistribute wealth, will not solve the problem.
JimJohnson,
I already answered, and explained about the CENTURY long build-up of CO2 in the atmosphere. It’s not my fault that you cannot understand it.
TODAY. Today and the future is what might be changed.
TODAY, the production of Greenhouse Gases by each country TODAY, is what must be looked at, before making International Policy decisions mandating the USA pay money to other countries as punishment for polluting the planet.
That’s right, it’s all America’s fault, if you believe Cosmos. And these monetary penalties and fines and carbon credits do N O T H I N G to solve Global Warming. And Cosmos knows this. The GW alarmists know this.
Their agenda was clearly states by Cosmos earlier today:
*cosmos_originally
Posted January 4, 2009 at 1:38 pm | Permalink
–JimJohnson posted January 4, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Can’t find a link, can you Cosmos?
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Cosmos replied: “I haven’t bothered to look. You cannot significantly change the ratio of decades of high emissions from industrialised nations with a short-term rise from developing nations.”
SCENARIOS: Richardson move leaves hole in Obama cabinet
Possible candidates for the job include Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sibelius — who was suggested for a number of senior Obama administration posts but has yet to be nominated for any…
http://uk.reuters.com/article/usTopNews/idUKTRE5032KR20090104
He didn’t BOTHER TO LOOK!
lol
roflmao
(Doesn’t need to. He frickin knows it all!)
cosmos_originally
Posted January 4, 2009 at 5:27 pm | Permalink
bawksy,
I did support my claim.
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Not since 1999 you haven’t.
10 year old data Cosmos!
outlander posted at 8:58 am, “for discussion’s sake”,
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“When the ocean-atmosphere system warms, the oceans discharge vast quantities of carbon dioxide in a process known as de-gassing. For this reason, warm and cold years show up on the Mauna Loa C02 measurements even in the short term. For instance, the post-Pinatubo-eruption year of 1993 shows the lowest C02 increase since measurements have been kept. When did the highest C02 increase take place? During the super El Niño year of 1998.”
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Does the musician and boat rowing book author have a scientific paper supporting his claim that the CO2 increase in 1997/98 was caused by “de-gassing” of the oceans?
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/environment/ElNINO_FIRES.html
“Wildfires seem to ignite the geological version of the big belch. During El Niño, vast areas of the tropic regions dry out and become vulnerable to fire. During the 1997/1998 El Niño, wildfires ravaged huge areas in Latin America and Southeast Asia, belching large quantities of carbon dioxide (CO2) and methane into the air.
“We found that a large part of the [carbon dioxide] increases [were] the result of increased fire activity,” said Guido R. van der Werf, of NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center.”
And also refuse to defend the bogus OISM petition that was cited by your “excellent(sic) journalist”.
Attack me, and then run away, outlander.
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Who’s running away; boy?
Oh and Cosmos, it is not a person’s duty to defend everything someone else ever wrote because you post a link to an article they wrote.
Obsession is a sad thing to watch.
cosmos_originally
Posted January 4, 2009 at 12:02 pm | Permalink
Data thru 2008 will not significantly change a century of the U.S. having emitted much more CO2 than China, etc..
****PROVE IT COSMOS. SHOW THE LINK.
Both industrialised and developing nations need to reduce GHG’s. But the industrialised nations are more responsible for causing the problem, and have a greater responsibility for fixing it.
****SEE, it’s all about BLAME and deciding Who Should Pay!!!
Who’s polluting the most today, and to what levels should all countries have to EQUALLY reduce emissions?
Not 10 years ago. Not 100 years ago. FRICKIN TODAY!
And no Cosmos, Americans will NOT tolerate higher pollution levels from other countries forcing us to PAY THEIR WAY!
You might temporarily get your Socialism within the USA, but you will NOT get it Internationally!
Ok Cosmos, lil bro, I have responded to a few of your obsessive posts in an effort to be nice.
No more. Go argue with yourself. Regular is a right about you. Sad.
Cosmos wants to impose Global Control on all countries emissions.
But Cosmos wants to force America to lower standards then the rest of the world.
Why does he hate America so much?
JimJohnson,
Thank you for again proving that you are unable to understand the significance of:
1) the CENTURY or longer average lifetime of CO2 in Earth’s atmosphere.
2) the much higher levels of emissions, for a much longer time from industrial nations compared to developing nations.
cosmos_originally
Posted January 4, 2009 at 5:08 pm | Permalink
bawksy posted January 4, 2009 at 4:23 pm
“Come on JimJohnson! Post your proof that I’m wrong, and be a hero to the AGW deniers.”
cosmos,
You made the claims, you provide the links to support them. No one is required to prove your claims wrong….you must prove them valid.
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bawksy. . . little JimJohnson claimed that my claim was wrong, and he will post his link(s) to prove his claim.
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WRONG COSMOS. I didn’t claim that your claim was wrong. I claimed that your claim was 10 YEARS OLD!
Learn to read before posting another 10,000 links would ya.
Today Cosmos, we are in the year 2009. You can clearly see the DATE on this blog and in a few other locations you might look, like on your Mickey Mouse watch or the Calendar on your wall!
Your data YOU posted was from 1999.
Simple Math Cosmos. Try it. You can count to 10, can’t you?
good night; good luck; god bless —-
whatever you perceive god to be!!
blessings ALL!!
blessings on the peaceful transition of power in this Great Nation!!
so mote it be!!
outlander posted January 4, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Who’s running away; boy?
Oh and Cosmos, it is not a person’s duty to defend everything someone else ever wrote because you post a link to an article they wrote
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Okay outlander. Don’t “discuss” what you posted “for discussion’s sake”.
And don’t defend your claims about Stossel, OISM, etc.
Chas
Posted January 4, 2009 at 1:35 pm | Permalink
It beats the heck out of being a flaming fundamentalist wacko, Johnson!! LOL
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Oh there is a difference Chas. I might be a FFW as you say, but you can’t quantify my view as being out of the mainstream.
YOU however, can be quantifiably shown to be in the MOST VERY EXTREME 1% for your view on the Clergy Letter, as compared to your peers in Kansas.
You are certifiable Chas. I am not. That is the difference.
You might take pride in being in the Far Radical Left 1%, I wouldn’t be a bit suprised. But you can’t say that YOUR views are mainstream.
You Chas, are the certifiable Kook.
cosmos can’t defend his inaccurate climate models that only use partial data to make climate predictions.
cosmos has stated that climate models are inaccurate.
Pedant
Posted January 4, 2009 at 4:00 pm | Permalink
Excuse me, the version of The Lives of Others that Nefflix dropped off here is NOT dubbed. It’s in German, though, and I had the subtitles turned on in English below the screen.
Great movie.
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Agreed. Great movie, depicting a horrible moment in time.
UnFairness Doctrine, soon coming to America.
BlueJay
Posted January 4, 2009 at 7:28 pm | Permalink
What other possible interest would there be? Israel is our ally? They’re more a liability than a help. They have no oil or important resources.
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Exactly. Better to decrease the surplus population and let Iran and the Palestinians and the Syrians et al..wipe Israel off the face of the map.
They are not productive. They do nothing for us. In fact, they just get in the way. Oh my gosh! Sounds like I’m talking about JR!
cosmos_originally
Posted January 4, 2009 at 9:28 pm | Permalink
JimJohnson,
Thank you for again proving that you are unable to understand the significance of:
1) the CENTURY or longer average lifetime of CO2 in Earth’s atmosphere.
2) the much higher levels of emissions, for a much longer time from industrial nations compared to developing nations.
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And thank you Cosmos for confirming you do not understand why TODAY’S emissions levels are what’s important IF you want to solve the problem. 10 year old data is ancient history when you look at the rapid rise of Asian economies, especially China.
But solving the problem isn’t your end game.
Your game is the blame game.
You want to show how America over 100 years produced x% of emmissions therefore America needs to pay up x% of the DOLLARS of penalties and fines to be paid to other countries.
TODAY and TOMORROW is what might be changed. Today’s level’s of emissions must be reviewed before making INTERNATIONAL policy decisions establishing emissions limits for all countries.
And IF you want to establish limits should be EQUAL on a per capita basis going forward. Not based on what was done 100 years ago or 10 years ago.
But again, the end game for Cosmos is not to solve Global Warming. His end game is to redistribute wealth.
Goodnite everyone, and have sweet dreams of Hope.
Each day going forward will be even more glorious then the last!
Obama will soon build his own kingdom, right here on Earth!
I am so inspired and filled with optimism at the hope the future now brings.
Everynight before I go to sleep, I read this. Obama inspires me oh so much!
“I should like to help everyone if possible; Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, black men, white, red, and yellow. We all want to help one another. Human beings are like that. We want to live by each others’ happiness, not by each other’s misery. We don’t want to hate and despise one another. In this world there is room for everyone. And the good earth is rich and can provide for everyone. The way of life can be free and beautiful, but we have lost the way.
Greed has poisoned men’s souls; has barricaded the world with hate; we live in misery and bloodshed. We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in. Industry that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge as made us cynical; our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than wealth we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. Modern communications and technology have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in man; cries out for universal brotherhood; for the unity of us all.
Even now my voice is reaching millions throughout the world, millions of despairing men, women, and little children, victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people. To those who can hear me, I say “Do not despair.” The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed, the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress. The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish.
Soldiers! Don’t fight for slavery! Fight for liberty!
In the seventeenth chapter of St. Luke, it’s written “the kingdom of God is within man”, not one man nor a group of men, but in all men! In you! You, the people, have the power, the power to create prosperity, the power to create happiness! You, the people, have the power to make this life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure. Then in the name of democracy, let us use that power.
Let us all unite. Let us fight for a new world, a decent world that will give men and women a chance to work, that will give youth a future and old age a security. By the promise of these things, brutes have risen to power. But they lie! They do not fulfill their promise. They never will! Evil rulers free themselves but they enslave the people! Now let us fight to fulfill that promise! Let us fight to free the world! To do away with national barriers! To do away with greed, with hate and intolerance! Let us fight for a world of reason, a world where science and progress will lead to all men’s happiness.
Citizens of the world, in the name of democracy, let us all unite!
People can you hear me? Wherever you are, look up! The clouds are lifting! The sun is breaking through! We are coming out of the darkness into the light! We are coming into a new world; a kind new world, where men and women will rise above their hate, their greed, and brutality. Look up! The soul of mankind has been given wings and at last he is beginning to fly. He is flying into the rainbow. Into the light of hope! Into the future! The glorious future! That belongs to you, to me, and to all of us. Look up, everyone! Look up!”
JimJohnson posted January 4, 2009 at 10:02 pm
And thank you Cosmos for confirming you do not understand why TODAY’S emissions levels are what’s important IF you want to solve the problem. 10 year old data is ancient history when you look at the rapid rise of Asian economies, especially China.
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Thank you JimJohnson, for again proving that you do not understand that today’s emissions are NOT the main cause of today’s problem.
JimJohnson posted: And IF you want to establish limits should be EQUAL on a per capita basis going forward.
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Good idea! That will force the industrialised nation to make much sharper cuts than the developing ones.
“The Israelis want to live in peace, the Arab Palestinians make that impossible.”
We get a very biased interpretation of just how it is that Israel interacts with the people they displaced. Evidence is they are NOT graceful in diplomacy. I for one will tend to side with the people on the losing end of decisions made outside their region BY people who do not live their or come from there.
In other news? If you folks could SEE Regular/JimJohnson, you would not waste your time on him.
Get over your paranoid self Junior.
I’m not Jim Johnson or any other poster on this blog.
Every time you accuse of posting under another nic, you lie.
You lie on a daily basis.
That makes you a liar.
Make me a liar.
I say “Regular” and “JimJohnson” are the same poster. That’s an opinion.
Absent proof to the contrary, it is a reasonable assumption.
There are some f’d up people on here man.
Seriously.
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BlueJay
Posted January 4, 2009 at 10:50 pm | Permalink
Make me a liar.
I say “Regular” and “JimJohnson” are the same poster. That’s an opinion.
Absent proof to the contrary, it is a reasonable assumption.
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No, it’s a lie and you keep repeating it.
I only post under this nic (Regular), period.
What part of my second statement do you not understand?
outlander,
Did you notice in your 8:58 am post, the musician and boat rowing book author Harold Ambler writes the symbol for carbon dioxide as “C02″ (C-zero-2) instead of CO2?
Does Ambler think that an “oxide” has two atoms of “zero” in the molecule?
The obligation is yours to make me a liar there Jimmuh.
I simply offer an opinion.
cosmos_originally
Posted January 4, 2009 at 11:04 pm | Permalink
outlander,
Did you notice in your 8:58 am post, the musician and boat rowing book author Harold Ambler writes the symbol for carbon dioxide as “C02? (C-zero-2) instead of CO2?
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cosmos,
That’s the most nitpicking and stupid thing I’ve every read by you.
Pathetic…
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BlueJay
Posted January 4, 2009 at 11:08 pm | Permalink
The obligation is yours to make me a liar there Jimmuh.
I simply offer an opinion.
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Then here’s the challenge.
Call Phillip Brownlee and ask him.
The bet is, if you are wrong, you have to move out of Kansas and I will do the same if you are right.
That’s a guaranteed win for me, so cya Junior.
Oops, laughing can cause typos.
SB,
Does Ambler think that “dioxide” is an “oxide” with two atoms of “zero” in the molecule?
Nah you just put yourself and “JimJohnson” in the same place at the same time with me there James.
If I meet more than one person, I’ll admit it and apologize here.
I don’t want the editors to think I am a nut like you.
Regular,
Maybe you can help Harold Ambler prove his theory?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/01/open-thread-14-2/#comment-497110
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BlueJay
Posted January 4, 2009 at 11:19 pm | Permalink
Nah you just put yourself and “JimJohnson” in the same place at the same time with me there James.
If I meet more than one person, I’ll admit it and apologize here.
I don’t want the editors to think I am a nut like you.
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It is much too late for that Junior.
The editors think your a far left kook with ‘Grandeur Illusions.’
Jay,
JimJohnson is Max. It is the nic he adopted after he was kicked off for who knows what kind of trollish behavior. Dude, Johnson has the very same voice – it is unmistakable.
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cosmos_originally
Posted January 4, 2009 at 11:16 pm | Permalink
Does Ambler think that “dioxide” is an “oxide” with two atoms of “zero” in the molecule?
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That’s about as advanced chemistry you’ll ever get cosmos.
Your knowledge of science is at the grammar school level.
“Cosmos, no offense, but you have to be close to, if not the, most boring and predictable person I have had the pleasure of corresponding with.”
Judging from the number of posts here in response to Cosmos from JJ, Regular, outlander, Hank Priceless and his little marine son, you’d think those dudes were just dying for boredom and predictabilty.
LMAO
“outlander” offers:
“Obsession is a sad thing to watch.”
What is really sad to watch is Moby Cosmos pulling all those conservative Capn Ahabs into the sea.
The ever rising sea, I might add.
No offense there Steven, but you can sure tell, even without a time tag, that someone was up blogging in the middle of the night. It’s hard to tell what is a metaphor for what.
Never mind explaining. I’m pretty sure that, whatever you meant, I would judge it nonsense.
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Regular
Posted January 4, 2009 at 11:08 pm | Permalink
cosmos_originally
Posted January 4, 2009 at 11:04 pm | Permalink
outlander,
Did you notice in your 8:58 am post, the musician and boat rowing book author Harold Ambler writes the symbol for carbon dioxide as “C02? (C-zero-2) instead of CO2?
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cosmos,
That’s the most nitpicking and stupid thing I’ve every read by you.
Pathetic…
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Obsessive, Reg. Just wait, pretty soon, Cosmos will pop up and link something from an obscure blog where hard core eco-squirrels go to gather their nuts, then scornfully criticize someone for writing CO2 wrong or something equally silly. Did you know that they keep databases on those who don’t worship Al Gore (”deniers” they call them) so they can readily dismiss anything written by them, regardless of merit?
I do worry about what will happen to him as the planet continues to cool and people lose interest in his AGW faith.
I was on call and came home late from work last night and was struck by the overwhelming irony of your comments, outlander.
Irony, as KFG would say, is never appreciated by those who need it most.
Your comments lead me to rest her case.
And further, your snide dismissal of my comments actually lead me to think I am on target. Thanks for fulfilling your vital mission here.
outlander posted January 5, 2009 at 6:48 am
Did you know that they keep databases on those who don’t worship Al Gore (”deniers” they call them) so they can readily dismiss anything written by them, regardless of merit?
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outlander, did you know that rational people wonder WHY people like you cannot understand climate science?
For example, they wonder why you expect a year with a La Nina AND a solar minimum to be warmer than a recent year with a record warm El Nino.
Can outlander explain why he believes that?
Or will he instead just attack Al Gore, who accurately states the AGW consensus?
Or will he just refuse to “discuss” it?
And outlander, please copy/paste some more columns by musicians and/or boat rowing book authors who write about CARBON DIZERO not causing anthropogenic global warming.
That Harold Ambler wrote some very stupid (and funny) stuff. His entire column is filled with ignorance. Or deliberate deceptions?