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If you want to know who is more batshi1 crazier than fundies in Kansas, just go south of the border. I suppose they’ll be wanting to bring back the witch trials.
ACLU of Oklahoma Files Federal Lawsuit on Behalf of Student Accused of “Hexing” a Teacher (10/26/2000)
TULSA, OK–In a case reminiscent of the Salem Witch trials, the American Civil Liberties Union of Oklahoma today filed a federal lawsuit charging that school officials violated 15-year-old Brandi Blackbear’s rights when they accused her of casting a hex that resulted in a teacher’s illness.
“These outlandish accusations have made Brandi Blackbear’s life at school unbearable,” said Joann Bell, Executive Director of the ACLU of Oklahoma. “I for one would like to see the so-called evidence this school has that a 15-year-old girl made a grown man sick by casting a magic spell.”
While the ACLU has defended students’ religious beliefs in Wicca and other minority religions, Bell said the Oklahoma lawsuit is believed to be the first in the country involving actual accusations of witchcraft.
More fundy nuttiness at:
http://www.aclu.org/religion/schools/16295prs20001026.html
I understand from teachers that a continuous struggle quietly exists between teachers and students over who is going to control classrooms. So pardon me if I suggest this “hex business” is a juvenile attempt by a misguided and recalcitrant student to challenge the authority of the teacher in the classroom.
Frankly, no one in their right mind believes the student can hex a teacher. But the student’s act is obviously an attempt by a young student to gain the upper hand. The student needs to be immediately removed from that teacher and classroom and hopefully be provided guidance on how to improve her participation as a student.
Brandi Blackbear never cast a spell. A teacher became sick, then interrogated her about her beliefs and assumed that since she’s a Wiccan that she cast a spell upon him and made him sick. She’s also banned from wearing symbols of her religion while spell casting (Christians call it prayer) Christians are allowed to wear their symbols of torture.
Casting spells is fiction, I think some people in Oklahoma have read too much Harry Potter, or the Bible.
Todd Teahrt, the Blagojevich of Kansas.
To turn this around on the Fundies…perhaps Bush/Cheney have been possessed by demons and the result has been a collapse of America and her values.
Their obsession with “waterboarding” (a favorite of the Salem witch hunters) might be further proof of their possession.
Fundy-CON ignored Biblical passage d’ jour:
9 “I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
“ If you see a glow in the woods do not go see what it is! It will either be the occult or the KKK and neither wants you around.” That was the warning I received by the Lieutenant of the small Police department I went to work for in rural Oklahoma in 1986. Kind of an oxymoron there, the churches are all powerful in the state. Yet the occult is equally practiced in the state too. Reality is what you believe not the reality as the world is.
I noticed the Crapn is in love with the word (jour.)
Perhaps he cannot start a topic without it?
Encore un autre libéral qui pense ajoutant des mots français lui fait un intellectuel.
Copied from the net:
HOW SMART IS YOUR RIGHT FOOT? You have to try this please, it takes 2 seconds. I could not believe this!!! This will boggle your mind and you will keep you trying over and over again to see if you can outsmart your foot, but, you can’t. It’s pre-programmed in your brain! 1. Without anyone watching you (they will think you are GOOFY……) and while sitting at your desk in front of your computer, lift your right foot off the floor and make clockwise circles. 2. Now, while doing this, draw the number “6″ in the air with your righthand. Your foot will change direction. I told you so!!! And there’s nothing you can do about it! You and I both know how stupid it is, but before the day is done you are going to try it again, if you’ve not already done so. Send it to your friends to frustrate them too!*
A greater percentage of Oklahomans voted for Bush than did voters in any other state. Remember, they name their daughters “Urea.”
This was posted in the New York Post. Read about how the bailout will cost us billions, with most people having no clue what’s in the proposed bailout. I hope the Republicans can slow down the gravy train.
I LOVE this. The new kind of politics of hope. Eight hours of debate in the House of Representatives to pass a bill spending $820 billion – or roughly $102 billion per hour of debate.
Only 10 percent of the “stimulus” to be spent on 2009.
Close to half goes to entities that sponsor or employ (or both) members of the Service Employees International Union, federal, state, and municipal employee unions or other Democrat-controlled unions.
This bill is sent to Congress after President Obama has been in office for seven days. It is 680 pages long. According to my calculations, not one member of Congress read the entire bill before this vote. Obviously, it would have been impossible, given his schedule, for the president to have read the whole thing.
For the amount spent, we could have given every unemployed person in the United States roughly $75,000.
We could give every person who had lost a job and is now passing through long-term unemployment of six months or longer roughly $300,000.
There has been pork-barrel politics since there has been politics, but the scale of this pork is beyond what had ever been imagined before – and no one can be sure it will actually do much stimulation.
Further, no one can be sure that we are not already at the trough of the recession – such that this money will be spent mostly after the recovery is well under way.
How long until the debt incurred under this program is so immense that it causes a downgrade in the nation’s sovereign debt? What happens to us then?
This has been a punch in the solar plexus to the kind of responsible, far-seeing, mature government processes that are needed to protect America. This is more than pork-barrel – this is a coup for the constituencies of the party in power and against the idea of a responsible government itself. A bleak day.
Unfortunately, it is only the latest in a long series of such days stretching across decades of rule by both parties, to the point where truly responsible government is only a distant echo of our forgotten ancestors.
Writer, actor, economist and lawyer Ben Stein lives in Beverly Hills and Malibu. From the Web site of The American Spectator, spectator.org.
The more things change…
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/1/30/7334/94946/725/690837
I watched about half of this Thursday night. Christians are really p@ssed at pastor Ted. No forgiveness there. I guess he broke the 11th commandment. Thou shall not provide the liberals with damaging press releases.
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http://www.gazette.com/articles/haggard_45022___article.html/church_documentary.html
VIDEO: Haggard still struggles with sexuality, he says in documentary
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December 17, 2008 – 6:48 PM
By Mark Barna
The Gazette
In an HBO documentary set to air Jan. 29, disgraced evangelical leader Ted Haggard says he never claimed to be heterosexual, as was once reported, and he continues to struggle with same-sex attraction. But he’s committed to living a heterosexual life because he believes it’s better for children to be raised by a mother and a father.
In “The Trials of Ted Haggard,” a film crew documents his and his family’s day-to-day life in Arizona and Texas, where they lived after he was fired from New Life Church in November 2006 following a sexual relationship with a gay prostitute. Along the way, Haggard opens up about his lifelong battle with his sexuality and how he’s drawn to the biblical passages about suffering since his relationship with prostitute Mike Jones became public.
Haggard, a 52-year-old father of five, careens from self-pity to self-loathing to self-aggrandizement in the documentary. Anger about his dismissal from the church he founded bubbles just below the surface.
“The reason I kept my personal struggle a secret is because I feared that my friends would reject me, abandon me and kick me out, and the church would exile and excommunicate me. And that happened and more,” he says.
He also criticizes New Life’s handling of his firing. “The church has said go to hell,” Haggard says in the documentary. “The church chose not to forgive me.”
Two of Haggard’s children show up in the documentary, as does his wife, Gayle, who talks about why she stayed with her husband after the scandal.
I will admit that the people of Oklahoma are colorful and interesting to say the least. The little town I was in had the last recorded ole west gun fight. It was in 1954 by Rush creek between the town marshal and someone he just did not like and was having an affair with the man’s wife. The man was not only the faster on the draw but deader on the shot.
The more things change…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpRK42W9st4
JWink
Posted January 31, 2009 at 6:43 am | Permalink
Todd Teahrt, the Blagojevich of Kansas.
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I’m not really sure who you are commenting about but, I am just supposing it could be one of our great Kansas legislators that helped in stopping the tanker deal from going to a foriegn company. His name is Todd Tiahrt and one of the most obvious differences between Mr. Tiahrt and Blogo is the fact that our Kansas legislator is a Republican.
Todd Tihart doesn’t do anything without a payoff.
That’s the similarity between him and Blago.
Tihart was caught but apparently there were no tapes.
“Monkeyhawk Posted January 31, 2009 at 8:12 am
The more things change…”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpRK42W9st4
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Good one! Did you read the comments?
The only thing Todd Tiahrt has accomplished is using many words to say nothing — both when he speaks and when he writes. His picture should be beside this definition in the dictionary:
Obfuscation — is the concealment of meaning in communication, making communication confusing, intentionally ambiguous, and more difficult to interpret.
mx…you are a perfect example of lost or no values
Well gee, we tried to put in a V.P. who had to get the evil eye cast out of her by her pastor.
As for Todd T. he’s the guy who helped repeal the govt. procurement provisions that would have cinched the deal to boeing.
I didn’t know Haggard was the go to guy for bush, let’s see Gannon and Haggard had easy access to the W.H., is there more to this story?
Phantom,
What are you trying to imply?
That good, “Christian” Republicans may be repressing some “untidy” things?
Praying to God that no one leaks it?
NO ONE in positions of high power gets there without something to hang over them. Not Tiahrt, not Bush or Obama.
I wonder what Obama hides?
We still live in the Holy Roman Empire to this day. Rome never fell, the Rubicon was crossed, “Christianity” took over and here we are today.
linda, sounds like a politician.and capn and beber and blujay, and mx, and mary and maggot and monkey and??
“I didn’t know Haggard was the go to guy for bush, let’s see Gannon and Haggard had easy access to the W.H., is there more to this story?”
Perhaps there’s some stained male underwear hidden away in the Presidential archives.
A new video craze is ’sweeping’ the world… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTxW3GWZ5hI
If universal health care becomes law I predict that hick will be the first one in line to get her warts removed.
Has anyone ever noticed that when people scream “socialism! socialism!” it never seems to be about government funded highways or airports? In what way are they not socialist?
beber, not that anything is wrong with warts, but i pay my own way, so if i want my warts removed i’ll pay for, not take from somebody else, what say you, want a hand out AGAIN?
Oh hell, just plug brandi into google images. It’d be easier.
KJV
Matthew 19
1 And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these sayings, he departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judaea beyond Jordan;
2 And great multitudes followed him; and he healed them there.
3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
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Again, the good Capt. graces us with a verse from the Bible and uses it to attack the faith of fundamental Christians.
Despite what the good Cap. claims this verse not ignored by Christians anywhere.
Where to start?
The verse the good Capt. brings us this morning taken in context with the whole chapter can be seen for the obvious response to the Pharisees concerning marriage.
The chapter of Matthew the verse is in taken in context with the whole book can be studied for the many lessons that Matthew brings us in how to live our daily lives.
When the book of Matthew is taken in context with the other Gospels this verse can be used to demonstrate the Harmony of the Gospels.
When the book of Matthew is taken in context with the Old Testament, Genesis in particular, this verse can be used as a lesson from Jesus to not interpret the scripture as a mere allegory.
But. . .to use this verse as a way to demean a persons faith is troubling. It is an indication that one may not be going to the Holy Scriptures for the Truth. He may be going merely to ‘fill his quiver’ with ’scriptural arrows’ to attack a person’s faith.
We’ve been a socialist country since December 21, 1913. We’re just recognizing it now. They give us a socialist chant written by a hard-core socialist to repeat daily (The Pledge of Allegiance). Our education is in the hands of the state, the money is, inheritance taxes, the income tax…almost all of the 10 planks have been filled.
But at least we have those Chinese-slave-labor-made flags to wave!
The country is dead unless …forget, we never will.
The People lost when the Civil War ended and the Federal Government took over. Oh, I forgot, it was all about slavery huh?
beber, did you just obfuscate and prove my point??
Bush’s advice to Pres. Obama:
http://blog.looku.com/2009/01/what-did-bush-whisper-into-his-ear/
beber, you shouldn’t have to look up the definition to respond, just read what linda posted. or are you applying for a handout?
pleefer “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all”
Hick made it to the computer at the nurses station again.
beber, and I paid my way, and as usual you are afraid to answer any challenge because you can’t.
beber, no matter what thread and no matter who challenges you, you run and hide. you are a wimp
Capn,
That’s a great post!
CapnAmerica posted January 31, 2009 at 7:26 am
Fundy-CON ignored Biblical passage d’ jour:
9 “I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
Antarctic change dependent on the period chosen
We have reported on many occasions about the climate history of Antarctica, basically concluding that the frozen continent was not warming up during the most recent couple of decades, despite expectations that it should have been.
At first glance, a new paper by the University of Washington’s Eric Steig and colleagues, published in last week’s Nature magazine and featured as its cover story, may seem to challenge our understanding-at least that is how it was spun to the press (see here and here, for example).
But a closer look at what the paper really says-as opposed to what is said about the paper-shows that there is not much in need of changing with the current understanding of Antarctica’s temperature history. We’ll show you why…..
Over the long-term, that is, since 1957 when the first continuous temperature records from Antarctica began, all three records show that there is a warming tendency (the magnitude of the warming differs between the three papers, with the Steig et al. derivation showing the most). Also notice that over the most recent several decades (since the early 1970s) all three show that there has been little net change-basically the vast majority of the long-term warming in Antarctica took place from the late 1950s to the early 1970s.
This is hardly news. In fact, in our very first World Climate-type publication, released back in 1995, in an article titled “Antarctic Warming: New Old News” we discussed the day’s hot news that Antarctica was warming -and put the warming in perspective-all of it occurring prior to the early 1970s.
Clearly, not much as changed in the past 14 years-it still makes headlines that “Antarctica is warming!” when in fact, the temperature averaged over the entire continent (using whichever methodology you prefer) hasn’t changed much in more than three decades.
If you are interested in why this latest pronouncement has gained so much attention (from both sides of the debate), very interesting articles can be found at RealClimate, MasterResource, and Prometheus. Each provides a unique take on the situation.
More:
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2009/01/30/antarctica-again/
ANTI, that was funny stuff. I would add…….
“Barney wants to stay, is that okay with you?”
“The Jack Daniel’s is hidden in the bottom drawer of the desk – you’re gonna need it.”
“Better start hitting the Grecian Formula now – in two years you’ll be as gray as me.”
“Don’t call me, I’ll call you.”
“Would you please tell Bill to stop looking at my wife like that?”
Hank,
Are you still unable to understand even the basics of AGW science?
Land warms faster than oceans.
There’s more land in the Northern hemisphere.
The Northern hemisphere is warming faster than the Southern, as earlier predicted by computer models.
(That’s ignoring the other factors in/near Antarctica — like circumpolar winds and ozone loss).
Another Horrible Week for Global Warming Industry
The GDP might have contracted 5.4 percent annualized in 4Q08, but the AGW industry contracted about 50 percent in one week:
Hansen’s Boss: James Hansen, AGW’s Father of Lies, received an insulting, public rebuke from his old boss at NASA. In essence, Dr. John Theon of the Institute for Global Environmental Strategies, accused of Hansen of violating basic scientific principles, NASA’s scientific methodologies and policies, and of embarrassing the agency with his anti-scientific screeds on global warming. Theon’s emails portray Hansen has a fraudulent liar. (Where have you heard that before?”)
More Scientists Turn Skeptics: The parade of scientists who doubt Hansen, Gore, and the whole AGW theory never ends. This week the world’s foremost authority on scientific forecasting, Dr. J. Scott Armstrong, declared that the IPCC’s global warming documents have no basis in science and violate 72 specific principle of scientific forecasting. As the founder of the largest forecaster certification body, Armstrong effectively pronounced the IPCC invalid.
Arctic Gulls in Massachusetts: Arctic gulls returned to Massachusetts for the first time in over 100 years, validating AGW-monger fears that climate change would alter the migratory patterns of animals. Unfortunately for the AGW people, this migration change came about because the earth is getting cold, fast.
Gore Effect: Al Gore testified before the Senate in Washington. The weather cooperated. Snow and ice and record low temperatures blanketed the Eastern half of the United States.
The job of conservatism is not to attempt science, but to look for political bias in purportedly scientific claims. The AGW hysterics are based exclusively on political goals: the elimination of human freedom. Don’t let them win. Don’t be afraid to challenge your friends and co-workers to repeat the lies they hear from James Hansen and Al Gore and Michael Mann. Your friends might not have the educational advantages you’ve had-perhaps advanced degrees in prestigious universities destroyed their critical thinking skills. It’s up to us to help them.
SOURCE (A great conservative BLOG!)
http://hennessysview.com/2009/01/30/another-horrible-week-for-global-warming-industry/?owa_from=feed&owa_sid
‘Warm reception to Antarctic warming story‘
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/01/warm-reception-to-antarctic-warming-story/langswitch_lang/in
Al Gore’s Climate of Extremes
Ho-hum. On January 28, in the midst of a pelting sleet storm, Al Gore told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that the end is nigh from global warming. He told the Senate that “some scientists” predict up to 11 degrees of warming in the next 91 years (while failing to note that the last 12 have seen exactly none), and that this would “bring a screeching halt to human civilization and threaten the fiber of life everywhere on earth”. Hey folks, this is serious!
Besides having a remarkable knack for scheduling big speeches on remarkably cold or snowy days (it’s known as the “Gore Effect” in journalistic circles), Gore has been incredibly ineffective in bringing his message home. According to the New York Times, Gore told the Web 2.0 Summit in San Francisco last November, “I feel, in a sense, I’ve failed badly. . . . [T]here is not anything anywhere close to an appropriate sense of urgency [about global warming]. This is an existential threat.”
And fail he has. The Pew Foundation recently asked Americans to choose which of 20 prominent issues is of most importance. They included the economy, crime, education, and, of course, global warming, which came in dead last.
Gore’s failure is his own fault. He gained a reputation for exaggeration during his 2000 campaign, and he’s unable to shake it-because he’s proud of it, saying that it’s just fine to emphasize extreme global warming scenarios because they get people’s attention. Telling people you’re exaggerating isn’t exactly the way to get street cred. In Washington on January 28, his campaign continued.
The fact is that the “fiber of life” can be found on this planet over a range of 140øF, from Antarctica to the Death Valley. People actually live in these places. The average temperature of the planet is about 61ø, a temperature at which Homo sapiens au naturel will die from hypothermia. So ask yourself if raising the temperature 11 (impossible) degrees will indeed bring civilization to a “screeching halt.”
It’s not like the press is very vigilant, either. A couple of years ago, he got a free pass on Larry King Live (May 22, 2007) after making at least seven exaggerations or outright misstatements on climate change in less than a minute. Gore fielded a call asking “what issues caused by climate change globally are likely to affect the United States security during the next ten years?” He responded, “you know, even a one-meter increase, even a three-foot increase in sea level would cause tens of millions of climate refugees.”
In ten years? The United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), hardly an apolitical body (the IPCC’s “lead authors” are all appointed by their governments), gives an average sea-level rise of 1.25 inches in the next ten years for its “midrange” temperature scenario. Never mind that it hasn’t warmed since 1997 and that sea-level rise is clearly slowing as a result.
Gore went on: “Today, 49 percent of America is in conditions of drought or near-drought”, and that “the odds of serious droughts increase when the average temperatures go up.” That’s a testable hypothesis. The history of U.S. drought back to 1895 is readily available from the National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, North Carolina, as is the history of global temperature. Although surface temperatures have risen about 1.4 degrees since 1900 (with maybe half of that a result of emissions of carbon dioxide), there’s no similar trend in U.S. drought. Gore had to know that.
In the same minute, he droned on about how in a hotter world, “agriculture in the United States would be greatly affected.” Thanks, Al, for another assertion subject to analysis. The slight rise in surface temperature was accompanied by a 500 percent increase in United States yield of corn (that’s the amount we produce per acre). How could any possible warming in ten years put a dent in that? The IPCC projects about 0.3 degrees of warming per decade now, or about a fifth of the total warming of the last 100 years. That’s going to “greatly affect” agriculture?
People notice these exaggerations. They see that food is still on the table (despite the government’s attempt to burn it up as ethanol). They know the country isn’t particularly dry, nor particularly wet. They can go to the beach and see that the ocean isn’t notably higher than it was before. In other words, Gore’s lack of penetration is a result his own exaggerations. He’s created a climate of extremes that people are simply tired of, which is why his issue ranks dead last. He’s right. He’s failed.
http://planetgore.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGY0MGFiZTM3ZWM1ODVmNWI0MWE3ZmI3YzdhNmE4NjE
Hank posted January 31, 2009 at 11:46 am
Hansen’s Boss: James Hansen, AGW’s Father of Lies, received an insulting, public rebuke from his old boss at NASA. In essence, Dr. John Theon. . .
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‘So who is John S Theon?‘
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/01/so_who_is_john_s_theon.php
Still no Warmist ethics evident
Well, the “Second Public Review Draft of the Unified Synthesis Product Global Climate Change in the United States” has been published for comment (due February 27), and we see how they decided to deal with the embarrassment posed by their insistence on calling co-lead author “Dr.” Tom Karl: they dropped such honorifics from . . . everyone. How. Pathetic. That must’ve been a fun one to sit through.
Of course, a quick search for his name to confirm this also manages to remind us how the drafting team has chosen to plow ahead with their highly questionable practice of citing their own and each other’s work to support their supposed independent assessment.
So the answer, Dr. Wegman, is that no, these people did not learn from your assessment, e.g., this passage slamming the same community and practice in the process of debunking the “Hockey Stick”:
In our further exploration of the social network of authorships in temperature reconstruction, we found that at least 43 authors have direct ties to Dr. Mann by virtue of coauthored papers with him. Our findings from this analysis suggest that authors in the area of paleoclimate studies are closely connected and thus `independent studies’ may not be as independent as they might appear on the surface. This committee does not believe that web logs are an appropriate forum for the scientific debate on this issue.
It is important to note the isolation of the paleoclimate community; even though they rely heavily on statistical methods they do not seem to be interacting with the statistical community. Additionally, we judge that the sharing of research materials, data and results was haphazardly and grudgingly done. In this case we judge that there was too much reliance on peer review, which was not necessarily independent. Moreover, the work has been sufficiently politicized that this community can hardly reassess their public positions without losing credibility.
The same condition plagues this product. We noted this in our original comments, and will again. All previously commenting parties should check this thing out and weigh in as appropriate.
http://planetgore.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZjFiMTY2ZmEzNzA5NzY5NTMwNGRlNDMzZTE5MmU2ZmQ
Hank posted January 31, 2009 at 11:46 am
More Scientists Turn Skeptics: The parade of scientists who doubt Hansen, Gore, and the whole AGW theory never ends. This week the world’s foremost authority on scientific forecasting, Dr. J. Scott Armstrong. . .
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‘Enter the Inhofian Polar Bear Expert‘
http://www.desmogblog.com/scott-armstrong-james-inhofe-polar-bear-alaska
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Enter J. Scott Armstrong, who is a marketing professor at the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania.”
Anthropogenic Global Warming: The Greatest Fraud in History?
The credibility of science may never recover
Like famished swine shoving each other aside to get to the trough, self-proclaimed scientists and real politicians are again launching headline upon headline to claim yet another disaster in the name of utterly unproven global warming. Did you know that the flock of geese that flew into US Airways jet engines this month in New York City were put there by global warming? And that London fogs, or rather their absence, are making global warming worse?
Yep. It’s right there in the paper, Maud. As scientific skeptics are finally discovering the courage to speak out, the hype machine is faltering just a little.
But President Obama just appointed a True Believer to be science czar in the White House. So we can expect the politicians to keep hammering on this little piggy bank until the last golden coin drops out. You’ll be paying for the biggest false alarm in history for years to come.
But what worries me most is that the credibility of science may never recover – and perhaps it shouldn’t. Credibility has to be earned, and once it’s squandered may never be recovered. By now far too many scientists have knowingly colluded in an historic fraud, one that would put Bernie Madoff to shame. We are seeing political larceny here on a truly planetary scale. Why should scientists who’ve gambled their own reputations on this fakery ever be trusted again? They shouldn’t. Would you entrust your life savings to Bernie Madoff? Right.
I’m not a climatologist. Like most scientists I rarely judge what others do in their fields. And yet it’s been flamingly obvious for years now that the hypothesis of human-caused global warming violates all the basic rules and safeguards that protect the integrity of normal, healthy science. That’s why AGW (anthropogenic global warming) looks like a massive fraud, the biggest fraud ever in the history of science.
If that’s true, anybody who cares about science should be outraged. Even if you don’t care about that ask yourself if you want your next medical exam to be honest. Or the next time you drive across a traffic bridge, do you want the engineering tests to be falsified? If scientific corruption becomes endemic, we risk losing one of the great jewels of our culture.
So here are some fundamental violations of scientific integrity that any thoughtful person should recognize. I’m not going to touch on climatology – the case against the warming hypothesis has already been made very well by experts. I just want to talk scientific common sense.
Threatening the skeptics.
Scientists get seduced by enticing ideas and bits of evidence all the time. That’s why every scientist I’ve ever known is a thorough-going skeptic, even about his or her own data. Especially about one’s own data, because one’s career is on the line if it doesn’t check out. So we need skepticism in ourselves and others. Good science honors the rational skeptic. Which is why it’s beyond outrageous that AGW believers are publicly attacking thoughtful skeptics – not on the facts, but on their sheer temerity in doubting their precious orthodoxy. According to the Guardian:
James Hansen, one of the world’s leading climate scientists, will today call for the chief executives of large fossil fuel companies to be put on trial for high crimes against humanity and nature, accusing them of actively spreading doubt about global warming in the same way that tobacco companies blurred the links between smoking and cancer.
That is Stalinism; it is never, ever done in real science. Stalin shot real scientists and promoted scientific frauds who helped to kill Soviet food production. Right there we know we’re looking at political corruption and not real science.
More here:
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/anthropogenic-global-warming-the-greatest-fraud-in-history/
Later ‘gator,
As much fun as it’s been, it’s too nice a day to wallow in the pig pen with the libs.
“…Steele’s job will be a lot harder than Howard Dean’s was when he won a fight to take over the DNC in 2004. Dean’s thing was a 50-state strategy. Up until that point, the Democrats competed in 15 or 16 states and then prayed for Ohio. Dean raised a ton of money and opened offices staffed by paid DNC employees in all 50 states. He gave the Democratic party a real presence in places like Virginia, North Carolina, Indiana, and Nevada, where the party was in poor shape. The rest is history. It is doubtful that Steele can do something analogous. He can open Republican offices in Harlem and the barrios of Los Angeles, but when curious people come in and the staff tells them how the Republicans want to give them a tax cut, many of them are going to say that taxes aren’t their biggest problem. Time will tell whether Steele can heal the sick elephant. It won’t be easy.”
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2009/Senate/Maps/Jan31-s.html
Hank,
Proving that you are clueless about climate science is too easy, and boring.
But please continue proving your ignorance by filling the thread with your silly AGW denial copy/pastes, if it makes you happy.
GOP governors press Congress to pass stimulus bill
NEW YORK (AP) — Most Republican governors have broken with their GOP colleagues in Congress and are pushing for passage of President Barack Obama’s economic aid plan that would send billions to states for education, public works and health care.
Their state treasuries drained by the financial crisis, governors would welcome the money from Capitol Hill, where GOP lawmakers are more skeptical of Obama’s spending priorities.
The 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, scheduled meetings in Washington this weekend with Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky and other senators to press for her state’s share of the package.
Florida Gov. Charlie Crist worked the phones last week with members of his state’s congressional delegation, including House Republicans. Vermont Gov. Jim Douglas, the Republican vice chairman of the National Governors Association, planned to be in Washington on Monday to urge the Senate to approve the plan.
“As the executive of a state experiencing budget challenges, Gov. Douglas has a different perspective on the situation than congressional Republicans,” said Douglas’ deputy chief of staff, Dennise Casey.
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Posted January 31, 2009 at 11:37 am | Permalink
ANTI, that was funny stuff. I would add…….
“Barney wants to stay, is that okay with you?”
“The Jack Daniel’s is hidden in the bottom drawer of the desk – you’re gonna need it.”
“Better start hitting the Grecian Formula now – in two years you’ll be as gray as me.”
“Don’t call me, I’ll call you.”
“Would you please tell Bill to stop looking at my wife like that?”
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Excellent additions WSClark!
Have a good one! I’m off to enjoy the weather.
A mature (over 40) lady gets pulled over for speeding…
Older Woman: Is there a problem, Officer?
Officer: Ma’am, you were speeding.
Older Woman: Oh, I see.
Officer: Can I see your license please?
Older Woman: I’d give it to you but I don’t have one.
Officer: Don’t have one?
Older Woman: Lost it, 4 years ago for drunk driving.
Officer: I see…Can I see your vehicle registration papers please.
Older Woman: I can’t do that.
Officer: Why not?
Older Woman: I stole this car.
Officer: Stole it?
Older Woman: Yes, and I killed and hacked up the owner.
Officer: You what?
Older Woman: His body parts are in plastic bags in the trunk if you want to see
The Officer looks at the woman and slowly backs away to his car and calls for back up. Within minutes 5 police cars circle the car. A senior officer slowly approaches the car, clasping his half drawn gun.
Officer 2: Ma’am, could you step out of your vehicle please! The woman steps out of her vehicle.
Older woman: Is there a problem sir?
Officer 2: One of my officers told me that you have stolen this car and murdered the owner.
Older Woman: Murdered the owner?
Officer 2: Yes, could you please open the trunk of your car, please.
The woman opens the trunk, revealing nothing but an empty trunk.
Officer 2: Is this your car, ma’am?
Older Woman: Yes, here are the registration papers.
The officer is quite stunned.
Officer 2: One of my officers claims that you do not have a driving license.
The woman digs into her handbag and pulls out a clutch purse and hands it to the officer.
The officer examines the license. He looks quite puzzled.
Officer 2: Thank you ma’am, one of my officers told me you didn’t have a license, that you stole this car, and that you murdered and hacked up the owner.
Older Woman: Bet the liar told you I was speeding, too.
The House’s Modern-Day Hoovers
Republicans are given to saying and doing the darnedest things.
Remember last fall when House Republicans, led by Minority Leader John Boehner, whined that they were forced to kill the Bush administration’s bank bailout bill because Speaker Nancy Pelosi had given a speech that hurt their feelings?
Well, they are back with another howler — and a reminder why the GOP is no longer the nation’s dominant political party.
This week, House Republicans voted in lock step against President Obama’s economic stimulus package, using as one excuse their deep concern about the impact of government spending on the future debt burden of America’s “children and grandchildren.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/30/AR2009013003182.html
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Posted January 31, 2009 at 12:00 pm | Permalink
Hank posted January 31, 2009 at 11:46 am
More Scientists Turn Skeptics: The parade of scientists who doubt Hansen, Gore, and the whole AGW theory never ends. This week the world’s foremost authority on scientific forecasting, Dr. J. Scott Armstrong. . .
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‘Enter the Inhofian Polar Bear Expert‘
http://www.desmogblog.com/scott-armstrong-james-inhofe-polar-bear-alaska
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Enter J. Scott Armstrong, who is a marketing professor at the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania.”
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Of course, cosmos the non-scientist will ignore the expert Polar Scientist and Veterinarian in Canada who state that the Polar population is growing.
cosmos does not demonstrate science. cosmos demonstrates man-made hysteria promoted by political wombats like the GORACLE and paid-by-Heinz-corporation-with-bribes activist Hansen.
A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated’ people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 mi llion dollars. The first year results are now in:
List of 7 items:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent.
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.
You won’t see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it’s too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are ‘citizens’.
Without them, we are ’subjects’.
During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
Unlike HLP, Nathan, and other so called Conservatives…I have NEVER been for gun control.
Guns should be freely available to all. It is a Constitutional Right.
Regular demonstrates his troll behaviour, and displays his incredible ignorance of science.
“Leave the gun. Take the cannolis.” Peter Clemenza
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Posted January 31, 2009 at 1:36 pm | Permalink
Regular demonstrates his troll behaviour, and displays his incredible ignorance of science.
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hah!
cosmos, you’re the biggest troll on this blog. You’ll post your AGW crap in any thread regardless of the topic.
Another Hollywood Lib and/or performmer biting the hand that feeds than.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090130/ap_on_en_mu/people_springsteen_3
Good for Bruce! He admits his error and moves on.
Unlike what…100% of Republicans.
(snorts…chortles…goofus)
Peter Sellers doing his version of Laurence Olivier’s version of “Now is the winter of our discontent” through The Beatles’ “A hard day’s night” version. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLongUBPm5Y
Palin for President in 2012!
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Bruce Springsteen lives in Jersey, not Hollywood, George and he is one of the most dedicated philantropists in the music business and has been for many years.
Your criticism is not justified.
Regular again demonstrates his troll behaviour, and again lies.
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Posted January 31, 2009 at 2:28 pm | Permalink
Regular again demonstrates his troll behaviour, and again lies.
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No lies. Everyone on this blog can attest to the fact that you cosmos, will post off topic in any thread about your nut ball AGW.
That makes you a troll of the worst kind.
Well, here is what Gary Cass, of The Christian Anti-Defamation League prophesied for the inauguration:
“The inauguration of Barack Obama as the President of the United States is going to be historic for many reasons, not all of them good. Obama’s inauguration may help move race relations forward in America, but Obama’s inaugural events are a major step backwards for historic Christian values. CADC must issue this WARNING message: Don’t let your children watch!
National events ought to unify and elevate the nation by celebrating what is virtuous, such as God and patriotism. Obama is making a terrible mistake by polluting his inaugural events with sexual sin. Some one ought to remind him that he wasn’t elected mayor of Sodom.
Barack Obama’s inauguration will have the dubious distinction of being the most perverted in our nation’s history … In order to be consistent in using this kind of reasoning, Obama ought to have a stripper lead off the inaugural parade followed by the Hell’s Angel’s Motorcycle Drill Team followed by the Crips Precision Handgun Corp. and the Transvestite Fashion Police. Just because something exists in society does not mean it is good and is to be paraded in front of everyone, especially children.
On this historic occasion of the Inauguration of the 44th President of the United States, I must unfortunately recommend that you keep the kids away from the TV and pray that God will not rain fire and brimstone down on Washington DC.”
All those prayers must’ve worked- Washington’s still there.
The only thing perverted about the Inauguration of Barack Obama was that George W Bush was there.
Posts to WE Blog have slowed down.
Is everyone else watching the Jayhawks, too?
boxlock20: Your gun history is hysterical! Have you a special page in the NRA handbook noted as “stupid” to witch you refer that often? The reason you won’t see your data on any credibe media is because it is false. Pol Pot was a direct result of not listening the NRA mantra? Did the Armenians or Jews have guns to begin with? Did the Russian serfs a have any? The Cambodian villagers? Don’t you think Americas’ Central America agenda had anything to do with Guatemala, and did the average citizen there have guns? I checked the Ozzie numbers a few years ago, so please give me your source…for it contradicts what I read. On second thought don’t I just realized you probably post your “facts” to annoy…and it works!
Octuplets’ mother wants Oprah to turn her into a $2m TV star
THE single mother of octuplets born in California last week is seeking $2m (£1.37m) from media interviews and commercial sponsorship to help pay the cost of raising the children.
Nadya Suleman, 33, plans a career as a television childcare expert, since it emerged last week that she already had six children before giving birth on Monday. She now has 14 below the age of eight.
Although still confined to an LA hospital bed, she intends to talk to two influential television hosts this week – media mogul Oprah Winfrey, and Diane Sawyer, who presents Good Morning America.
Her family has told agents she needs cash from deals such as nappy sponsorship – she will get through 250 nappies a week over the next few months – and the agents will gauge public reaction to her story. A veteran from the ICM agency said: “If she wins over Oprah or Diane Sawyer, she will have the world at her feet.”
Her earning power, though, could be diminished by a growing ethical and medical controversy. Experts believe that the unnamed fertility specialists who gave her in vitro fertilisation (IVF), should not have implanted so many embryos, and in choosing to carry all eight to term, Suleman ignored guidelines, risking both their health and her own.
US public reaction has been mixed: many have asked how an unemployed single mother can raise 14 children, as her first six have already strained the family budget. Angela and Ed Suleman, Nadya’s parents, bought her a two-bedroom bungalow in the suburb of Whittier in March 2007, but soon after got into debt and had to leave their own home.
They filed for bankruptcy and moved in with their daughter and grandchildren. Last week her father said he will return to his native Iraq to work as a translator and driver.
Nadya Suleman, who describes herself as a “professional student” who lives off education grants and parental money, broke up with her boyfriend before the birth of her first child seven years ago.
The identity of the octup l e t s ’ f a t h e r r e m a i n s unknown, but local reports suggest they were conceived with frozen sperm donated by a friend she met while working at a fertility clinic. He is the father of her twins, born two years ago.
Michael Tucker of the Georgia Reproductive Clinic, Atlanta, said Suleman’s story stunned him. “We are policed by the American Society for Reproductive Medicine, which frowns upon implanting more than two or three embryos at a time. It is remarkable that any practitioner would undertake such a practice.”
The babies, born nine weeks prematurely by C-section, were attended to by 46 medical staff, who expected seven babies. When the eighth – a boy – appeared, doctors were “confounded”.
Angela Suleman said her daughter was advised to terminate some of the embryos in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy for the sake of her health, but she refused because she did not know how to make sucha life-or-death decision.
“She did not expect all eight to be born, but now she is so happy she did not choose. She wants to breast-feed all of them,” said the grandmother. “We are all excited about the busy times to come.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5627531.ece
Sorry, but I have this mental image of a mother trying to breast feed eight babies……..
Two boobs, eight kids. The math just doesn’t add up.
The woman needs to stop having multiple births by choice. Frankly, I hope her boobs fall off, among other things. And I hope Oprah and everyone else ignores her.
Does seem to be some kind of compulsive disorder going on there.
Maybe she will nurse Baby A on Mondays, Baby B on Tuesdays… Only seven days in the week, this is going to be complicated.
I think I understand why the Grandfather feels he needs to go back to his home country. Fourteen children under eight years of age, 24/7. Hhhhmmmm, yes I would want to find a way to get out of the house too.
The woman needs to stop having multiple births by choice.
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I suppose ‘choice’ only matters when you want to kill a few births.
However, in my life that would be WAY TOO MANY kids!!
I hope they invest in a pressure washer.
And rhino-line the house.
No mental health evaluation necessary to birth babies.
She does seem nutty….maybe really nutty…
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Posted January 31, 2009 at 7:38 pm | Permalink
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lindainks55
Posted January 31, 2009 at 7:30 pm | Permalink
No mental health evaluation necessary to birth babies.
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Or to have a p e nis or va gina.
(damn medical terms!)
OK, I’ll leave and let you libs post…
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Im sure the taxpayers of Cali will end up footing the bill for her million dollar hospital bill, and for daycare, food, lodging, for the next decade or so, this is a person who is ever going to have a job.
Our wonderful greedy Democrat Congress just gave them selves a raise for petty cash!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry SOBs. They are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. $93.000.00 of our money. What do you libs on the WE blog think about that?
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/01/its-recession-congress-gives-lawmakers.html
But. . .to use this verse as a way to demean a persons faith is troubling. It is an indication that one may not be going to the Holy Scriptures for the Truth. He may be going merely to ‘fill his quiver’ with ’scriptural arrows’ to attack a person’s faith.
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Scriptural arrows . . . hmmm . . . that sounds too clever for Hank to have thought up.
Sure, enough: “There’s no need to sling scriptural arrows here.”
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=29817&page=4
Hank whines, “to use this verse as a way to demean a person’s faith is troubling.”
The true Christian would see the word of the Lord not as an attack, but a much welcomed call to walk in His ways and delight in His will.
I think you protest speaks volumes. What’s troubling is the way that Fundy-CONs “believe every word in the Bible is literally true” unless it’s too inconvenient, then it’s not . . .
Divorce for instance, which is more common in Fundy-CON states like Alabama than bright blue New York, requires much “context” and “interpretation” for the Fundy-CON to justify completely disregarding Yeshua’s word.
The creation myth of Genesis however is infallible . . .
more common in Fundy-CON states like Alabama than bright blue New York,
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CAPT you are so full of bullsh eet I’m surprised your head has not exploded! Which states have the highest unemployment, unwed mothers giving birth, crime rates, and black on black murder rates?
Blue as blue can get.
Please continue. I have my high boots on now.
“hypocrites. $93.000.00 of our money”
That makes sense. The president had a party after the house vote on his Unstimulus Bill at the white house. They served goose. Sixty plus guests – all democrats. Goose costing $125 a pound!!!
They make policy. You sure as heck don’t expect them to follow it do you?
Good evening, Capt.!
“The true Christian would see the word of the Lord not as an attack, but a much welcomed call to walk in His ways and delight in His will.”
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I am a fundamental Christian. I very seldom bring my religion or my faith to this BLOG. On the other hand, I see no reason to allow my faith to be attacked and to be used as a way to demean me.
Most of the open threads are started with a childish comment about fundamentalists by the nitwit Maggotpunk. I can pretty much ignore him, most of his comments do not deserve a response.
You, on the other hand, seem to think you are clever by taking a single verse from the Bible and using it to demean me and my faith. I will from time to time use your childish, and somewhat troubling attacks, as an opportunity to educate you some on the meaning of the scriptures.
I don’t consider ‘word of the Lord not as an attack,’. I see your words and your profane way of using the scripture to demean fundamental Christians as the attack.
When you start your posts with “Fundy-CON ignored Biblical passage d’ jour:” It is an attack on my faith. It is a lie. It shows an insecurity in your own faith that is troubling.
A True Christian would not use the Holy Scriptures, especially the words of Jesus to demean another’s faith.
Roachy–
Sorry that you never learned how to do basic research on the internet . . . although that would explain why you repeat as true what is patently not true.
TOP TEN STATES FOR DIVORCE
#1 Nevada: 7.1
#2 Arkansas: 6.2
#3 Alabama: 5.4
#4 Wyoming: 5.4
#5 Idaho: 5.3
#6 West Virginia: 5.2
#7 Kentucky: 5.2
#8 Tennessee: 5.1
#9 Florida: 5.1
#10 Mississippi 4.9
http://www.statemaster.com/graph/lif_div_rat-lifestyle-divorce-rate
I didn’t post about divorce. Just little things like:crime rates, murders, unwed pregnancy, ABORTIONS, unemployment, welfare receipients, receipients of most government funding/handouts,etc..
All blue states at the top.
Go ahead Capn, tell us more about divorce rates. Like that means something.
Hank–
I believe that Fundy-CONs do ignore a lot of verses in the Bible. I believe that their self-serving justification for using the Bible to hate people they want to hate (because of their “sins”) and turning a blind eye to their own sins is the worst kind of hypocrisy.
If you choose to put yourself in the group of Fundy-CONs who claim to “never interprete the Bible, they just believe it” while interpreting it for to justify their own cultural biases, then don’t blame me.
Blame yourself for self-identifying with the hypocrits.
Number 1 is blue on your list. They voted for Obama. Nevada is also home to your congressional leadership.
So what’s that say?
Roach–
The divorce rate is relevant since Bible Thumping CONs claim to believe and follow everything in the Bible.
I was pointing out that they don’t believe what they don’t want to believe.
But . . . I think you already knew that.
Or, you’re just really, really dumb.
Not sure which now.
If you choose to put yourself in the group of Fundy-CONs who claim to “never interprete the Bible, they just believe it” while interpreting it for to justify their own cultural biases, …
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Chuckle… “while interpreting it for to justify their own cultural biases, …”
Of course, CapnNorway is too blind to see that he does exactly what he complains of.
“It is an attack on my faith.”
People like you make your faith easily and necessarily assailable. Too bad your God is even smaller than you are.
george
Posted January 31, 2009 at 8:25 pm | Permalink
Our wonderful greedy Democrat Congress just gave them selves a raise for petty cash!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry SOBs. They are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. $93.000.00 of our money. What do you libs on the WE blog think about that?
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Considering that the Republicans paid themselves for raping the country and the Dems are paying themselves to REPAIR the damage done by 8 years of Republican greed…yeah we’re getting a heckuva bargain now.
Probably ought to TRIPLE Republicans taxes to make up for the stupidity of the reich wingnuties.
Wrong, outlander.
I know that I interpret the Bible to justify what I think is right.
Every interpretation may not be a correct interpretation–and that make the points arguable–but it’s not hypocritical.
Hank posted January 31, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Later ‘gator,
As much fun as it’s been, it’s too nice a day to wallow in the pig pen with the libs.
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You don’t “wallow” Hank, you hit-and-run.
Hank vomits his AGW denial puke on the thread, and then disappears.
On the rare occasions that Hank does defend(sic) his copy/pastes, it consists of attacking anyone who would question his falsehoods and unqualified sources.
Or Hank displays his inflated ego, and brags about his irrelevant Navy “liason”(sic) duty.
Or Hank stalls, by demanding a “lunch” meeting, because he cannot support his opinions that he earlier posted.
CapnAmerica,
Who are these Christians who think that divorce is ok and preach so?
Every church I have ever been a part of has frowned on divorce and said it should not be done.
Many churches don’t even allow someone who has been divorced or is married to someone who is divorced to serve in a capacity of minister.
The church I belong to now doesn’t allow someone who is divorced to serve as an ordained minister.
This is nothing more than another typical argument against nothing made up by you…
Between the two of us you are the only one here who ignores parts of the Bible that don’t agree with what makes you feel good.
Actually, the only people here who claim to be Christians and ignore parts of the Bible are you and Chas.
Then you sit here and post bible verses saying that “fundi-cons” ignore them?
You have yet to post a verse which any of us here have ignored.
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Posted February 1, 2009 at 12:03 am | Permalink
The church I belong to now doesn’t allow someone who is divorced to serve as an ordained minister.
My, my . . . that suggests you have been a member of more than one church. Tell me, did you look for one that suited your purpose, then join?
JM Walker,
You know, for someone who cries anytime I say something about what you believe, you have no problem dishing it out.
Did you ever look up the strawman logical fallacy?
Past midnight and another day into a better America.
I bet I have grandkids before Hank does.
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Posted February 1, 2009 at 12:14 am | Permalink
JM Walker,
You know, for someone who cries anytime I say something about what you believe, you have no problem dishing it out.
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Only in your mind, boy, only in yours. I’m chuckling, myself.
For one who seems so set in his beliefs, you sure are easy to arouse. There is a difference between passionate and obstinate. Maybe you should check that out.
A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent’s position. To “set up a straw man,” one describes a position that superficially resembles an opponent’s actual view, yet is easier to refute. Then, one attributes that position to the opponent. For example, someone might deliberately overstate the opponent’s position. While a straw man argument may work as a rhetorical technique—and succeed in persuading people—it carries little or no real evidential weight, since the opponent’s actual argument has not been refuted.
Gee, that kinda sounds like you. I just take things to their logical conclusions.