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I believe filing deadline is Tuesday for city council and school board positions. Its now time for WE Bloggers to step up to bat. It’s time to stop cutting bait and actually go fishing.
After sending millions of jobs and billions of dollars to the country China tells Obama to not end the Bush policies of making China wealthy at the expense of America.
Don’t undo Bush’s work, China tells Obama
BEIJING (Reuters) – Chinese state media urged new U.S. President Barack Obama not to ignore the “hard-earned progress” in ties made by George W. Bush, even as websites censored inauguration speech references to communism and dissent.
The China Daily praised Bush for laying “a decent foundation for one of the world’s most influential relationships”, between the United States and China, which it described as a fine bequest.
“After decades of dramatic ups and downs, the once volatile relations are just beginning to show signs of stabilizing,” it said in an editorial.
More at:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/reutersComService_2_MOLT/idUKTRE50K09520090121
Tomorrow, Monday, is the official “new” moon which I call NO moon. So don’t think the world is ending because you can’t see the moon. It just means the moon is on the same side of the Earth as the Sun. So, therefore, the Sun’s light lands on the back side of the Moon.
Because of a slight tilt of the Moon, this alignment doesn’t usually cast a shadow on the Earth to create an eclipse of the Sun … so NO eclipses tomorrow.
Once they take away our guns, there is no means to resist.
If they can trampled one piece of our constitution, they can destroy it all.
At 6:30 AM Sunday, CNN reports “widespread” call to ban “assault weapons”.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/01/24/miami.shooting/index.html
Knee-jerk emotional reaction. The television report we saw did contain some interesting tidbits that will undoubtedly be
completely glossed over and not considered by the emotional crowds (and certainly not by those who have planned gun bans all along):
1. The Mayor and Chief of Police were present at the Democratic Convention.
2. Both have been on the bandwagon to ban guns all along.
3. “another” weapon was used, but not mentioned by those calling for ban of assault weapons.
4. They show percentages which are misleading, regarding increased murders by assault weapons.
5. The mayor reveals Joe Bidden (his friend) personally assured him they would ban assault weapons – months before this shooting.
And the television report covered some facts, but only for ten seconds, as an after thought on the left side of screen (this is NOT on the video on the website, only on the televised report):
1. Since the ban on assault weapons has been lifted, murders are down nationally.
2. The number of murders by assault weapons is tiny
3. No evidence gun control reduces crime
Rational conclusion: The attack on the 2nd Amendment was pre-planned and all they needed was an excuse.
Remember to keep an eye out for the little people.
http://little-people.blogspot.com/
American_Way
Posted January 25, 2009 at 7:11 am | Permalink
Once they take away our guns, there is no means to resist.
If they can trampled one piece of our constitution, they can destroy it all.
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Our constitution has taken a lot of “trampling” over the past eight years. Funny how nobody on the right got too worried about that.
A lone gunman with an assault weapon. If he’d just used an SUV it would be ok.
So far, I haven’t seen any change with Obama on the actions by Bush on the Constitution. No changes.
I did notice this AM that Obama bombed Pakistan in the undeclared war on that country. Same policy as George Bush.
maggotpunk: Gung hey fat choy!
“Obama to not end the Bush policies of making China wealthy ”
So what CHANGE do you think Obama will make in this regards?
Tell Walmart and the rest of America’s businesses they can no longer import the products Americans love to buy?
……Or may wealth and happiness be yours in the new year …traditional Chinese New Years Greeting
Let me know when Obama rescinds all of the Hitlerian doctrines (executive orders) of Bushco.
Let me further know when the Dems of The Hill end The USAPatriot Act as well.
And yeah, it’d be nice if we kilt Wal-Mart and “take away those things which American’s love”. Maybe we’d get back to making stuff that lasts, maybe some heirloom type stuff again??
America=The Disposable Culture
Yeah…it’s REALLY important that every American own assault weapons.
And there is plenty of evidence that gun control reduces gun crimes.
Over 30,000 Americans die each year as a result of gun violence more than any other industrialized country in the world.
When are people going to wake up to the fact that the NRA utilizes nothing but propaganda and lies to further it’s agenda?
And BTW, Obama has no intention of changing the guns laws…instead allowing each state to regulate it’s own.
Mary I have not had a chance to read one since getting out of Law Enforcement.
But every year the FBI puts out a uniform crime report that gives the numbers of crimes reported and one section states an estimate of the number of crimes averted by the private ownership of firearms. Either those where a gun was used to stop a crime or unknowingly stopped a crime.
The last I recall, less then one percent of all gun crimes involved what is called an “assault weapon”. large magazines and semi-automatic. The type of weapon used is a choice not a cause. As such banning would not do any good, no more then banning Ford pick-ups would reduce the number of DUIs.
I am for reasonable control, no one should have their own cannon or mortars. But the key word is reasonable.
I agree…”reasonable” would be good. But the fact that over 30,000 Americans die each year directly as a result of firearms is cause for concern. No other civilized country has those stats.
I’m not for an all out gun bann…but stricter control would be good. It’s not a “black and white” or “all or nothing” issue.
You have 14 times the chance of dying from gun violence in America than any other industrialized country. That’s just not right.
But Mary is that more a statement on our society then on gun control or the lack there of?
“And there is plenty of evidence that gun control reduces gun crimes.”
please provide links or proof. If you read CNN the statistics they quoted do not support that statement Mary.
” Obama has no intention of changing the guns laws”
turn on CNN Headline news right NOW. The mayor of Miami quotes his conversation with his personal friend vice president Biden stating otherwise.
“I’m not for an all out gun bann…but stricter control”
Please please look closely at the CNN report. The report says “another” gun was used. Not just the AK47. But what made the headlines? It is an irrational and a knee jerk reaction.
All emotions. Once you read the facts and calmly think about it: What “stricter controls” would you suggest which would reduce the number of gun deaths? Which “controls” which will not impact law-abiding responsible guns owners but WOULD affect criminals would you enact?
We should ban cars too. 45,000 Americans die annually in car accidents. If we ban alcohol, or have “stricter controls” on booze, we cut down those auto deaths.
I’m just quoting the facts..there is no emotion associated with it.
The fact is..if you give everyone a gun, there will be more gun violence. It’s really that simple. It’s a lot easier to kill someone with a gun than it is to kill them with a knife. I’ve never heard of anyone killed in a driveby stabbing..
Has anyone ever been killed when caught in the crossfire of a strangling?
Easy access to guns means it’s easier to kill people.
And the car arguement is silly. We have all sorts of strict regualtions to make driving safer..from seatbelts to car design to speed limits to laws against driving under the influence…if we were as strict with guns as we are with cars, the death rate from gun violence would go down dramatically.
American’s are violent and uneducated.
But the purpose for the 2nd Amendment is in place for precisely the reasons that people want to control the guns.
Obesity and smoking are the real uncontrolled calamities of America.
I’ll keep my guns and I won’t be giving them up to anyone. I don’t keep mine around just for hunting purposes.
The hope of the 2nd Amendment is that you’ll never have to use it.
The uniforms’ better think long and hard before they try to pull another Katrina.
Still having a problem with paranoia, huh Plef?
You give someone more ice cream, they’ll eat it all up.
Nope.
Still taking the first shot, bitsch?
I’m stating facts, you’re just a rude and instigating person.
I don’t believe those with mental illness should be allowed to own a gun, there should be mandatory safety training before one can own a gun, there should be mandatory jail time for felons caught with guns, minors shouldn’t own guns, and ALL guns should be registered along with their owners.
And when a child is killed in a gun accident, the onwer of the gun should be charged with neglect and receive jail time.
We should hold gun owners at least as accountable as we hold car owners.
“I’m stating facts”
So am I.
“Mary_Caruso
Posted January 25, 2009 at 10:08 am | Permalink
I’m just quoting the facts..”
Mary I have yet to see a link to one fact from you.
Please stop quoting facts unless you actually have some.
Thanks
If you think the battle is over between Hamas and Israel, you got it all wrong. The Hamas terrorists must be destroyed, they will not let up. There is no peace or apppeasement when it comes to terroists and killers.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1058529.html
The time is coming when we’ll probably have to accept some gun control. Personally, I see no reason to own an “assault weapon”. The problem I have is with what we define as an assault weapon. A semi-automatic rifle or shotgun doesn’t constitute an assault weapon per se. A weapon that fires 760 + rounds a minute in full automatic would probably constitute an assault weapon. I have no use for an Uzi or a .50 cal machine gun.
What worries me is; why are the anti-gunners so worried about assault weapons? While it makes the news when some nutcase uses one, the vast majority of gun related deaths are caused by pistols.
” battle is over between Hamas and Israel,”
George you got a mouse in your pocket? I don’t see a “we” in that statement. The USA is not between Hamas and Israel.
Not our problem. Obama should but t out.
“A weapon that fires 760 + rounds a minute in full automatic would probably constitute an assault weapon.”
And I don’t think you can legally buy one now. I just went to a gun show as recently as last weekend.
You can buy those weapons: But they are NOT built as fully automatic. I don’t think fully auto is legal anyway in the USA. I could be wrong.
But the ones I saw were all one round per trigger pull.
Ping! Ping! Not ping-ping-ping-ping!
So whether you are shooting a 9mm, a .45, a shotgun, M15, or AK47 legally in America they all fire one shot at a time.
If I am correct, please let me know what your definition of an assault weapon would then be?
When you guys decide to overthrow the American government by force of arms… I am sure you can buy them from Iran, Syria and the Somalian warlords…
“should be charged with neglect and receive jail time.”
That already happens in some cases. No gun law changes required.
“I am sure you can buy them from Iran, Syria and the Somalian warlords…”
Those are possibilities. But Mexico is a whole lot closer. Warlords run it too.
Am_Way,
Yes you can purchase fully automatic weapons but you have to apply for a Class 3 firearms stamp and pay the $200.
They are hard to find as access may be restricted to existing weapons.
Here is a link that explains if you are interested:
http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IIF1.html
These 16 & 17 year old kids were already breaking several laws.
You gun-banners would pass another law that would have been broken by these very same shooters.
-Illegal for minors to have guns.
-Illegal to have machine guns, IF IF IF this was a fully-automatic machine gun.
-Illegal to assault and murder people.
If you Bleeding Heart Libs would simply recognize the fact that 15, 16, 17 year old ‘kids’ when they are committing deadly crimes need to be prosecuted like adults, then these ‘gang bangers’ would go away behind bars for life.
Since Nathan wrote yesterday that “Jews will burn for all eternity in the hell fire of damnation,” one wonders why he and his fellow Fundy-CONs love and support Israel so much.
You Gun-Banners, quit nickel and diming gun owners to death.
Just go ahead and pass your full and complete gun-ban!
Anxiously waiting for the DETAILS from you Gun-Banners on just HOW you are going to eliminate all guns from America.
Waiting……
Also, most ignored passage in the New Testament by the Fundy-Cons: It’s easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. You cannot serve two masters: you can either serve God or Halliburton . . . er, I mean . . . money.”
XXX
Posted January 25, 2009 at 10:31 am | Permalink
What worries me is; why are the anti-gunners so worried about assault weapons? While it makes the news when some nutcase uses one, the vast majority of gun related deaths are caused by pistols.
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So, why does that worry you if the gun-banners want to ban a gun you don’t want?
Should pistols be banned instead?
Go ahead, make my day.
We let anyone run for government office, so therefore anyone should be “allowed” to own a gun.
It’s all the same.
and mary the nra loves to teach gun safety and has developed excellent programs to do so , but it is people like you that won’t let them because they are the nra. aren’t you contradicting yourself(usual)
No one on this thread has ever suggested banning all guns, JJMaxiePad.
Isn’t it hard to get a good night’s sleep with all those pistols under your pillow?
American_Way
Posted January 25, 2009 at 10:35 am | Permalink
“A weapon that fires 760 + rounds a minute in full automatic would probably constitute an assault weapon.”
And I don’t think you can legally buy one now. I just went to a gun show as recently as last weekend.
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A Class 3 license allows you to own a full automatic (if I’m not mistaken). And a little armory experience and access to a milling machine is all that’s needed to convert an AR 15 or an AK 47 to full auto. That’s not legal, but in most cases, it’s not legal gun owners that are causing the problem.
“If I am correct, please let me know what your definition of an assault weapon would then be?”
As I said earlier, the definition is the problem.
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JimJohnson
Posted January 25, 2009 at 10:55 am | Permalink
So, why does that worry you if the gun-banners want to ban a gun you don’t want?
Should pistols be banned instead?
Go ahead, make my day.
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Jim,
You must be new to the blog. My position on guns is very clear.
Mary_Caruso
Posted January 25, 2009 at 9:20 am | Permalink
Yeah…it’s REALLY important that every American own assault weapons.
And there is plenty of evidence that gun control reduces gun crimes.
Over 30,000 Americans die each year as a result of gun violence
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How many of those 30,000 were suicides Mary?
Banning suicide next?
Banning rope next?
How about knives? Sleeping Pills? Stairs? Pitchforks?
When will we ban obese people from eating in public? I’ll cheer for that one.
You Moralist Libs want to ban smoking too.
Go ahead. Do that at the same time you ban guns.
Make my day!
Pleefer
Posted January 25, 2009 at 11:04 am | Permalink
When will we ban obese people from eating in public? I’ll cheer for that one.
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Amen!
But why not ban obese people? Pass a law against it and we’ll all be healthier.
Fat people are causing how many MILLIONS OF PEOPLE to die from cancer, heart disease, strokes, diabetes, etc…every YEAR!
Yet those like MARY, want to focus on eliminating guns to stop 20,000 gun suicides and 10,000 gun murders every year. (Say how many crimes would NOT be prevented by a gun, if guns were taken away?)
Let’s ban cars next. 40,000 dead every year.
And look how they cause the Global Warming that will soon kill 7 Billion people on this planet!
Don’t you people even care? When it comes to protecting women and the children in cars, you Libs don’t care at all. Heartless.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/story/998781.html
Kansas highway deaths record set
Kansas set a record low last year for highway deaths.
The 384 deaths were the least since the state began counting highway fatalities in 1947. It beat the previous record low of 387 set in 1992, according to preliminary numbers compiled by the Kansas Department of Transportation.
“That number still represents too many families who are grieving over what may have been a preventable death,” said department Secretary Deb Miller. “Even though we’ve increased our seat-belt use to 77.3 percent … nearly one person out of every four is still not buckling up.”
” his fellow Fundy-CONs love and support Israel so much.”
Capn America, would you quit lumping everyone together with your broad name-calling.
I don’t know if you included me in your insult or not. And I have posted many times my opposition to involvement with Israel.
But I’m a fiscal conservative.
Boxlock/XXX
I stand corrected. I guess you can buy fully auto weapons as per the above posts by you. I didn’t know I could and didn’t see them at gun shows.
So I guess it’s like XXX said, how do you define the “scary” guns, what are the facts of the murder committed by “fully auto” weapons, and were other laws broken which should have prevented the murders/shootings? And of course what that pesky 2nd Amendment really means and is it not as important as the rest of the Bill of Rights.
PS: I remember something called an “automatic sear” from an M16A1 being the needed part.
Most people want to ban guns and eliminate smoking. I know more people who have died as a direct or indirect result of drinking. You can walk around stinking drunk and no one thinks you are a criminal, but just light up a cigarette and everyone begins fan the air and holler. And if guns are banned, the only people who will have one are the criminals. Do you think they are going to turn their guns in???
Delilah
No-no-no! You cannot eliminate smoking or the state and federal governments will need to raise taxes to make up for the lost revenue.
It’s like the tax in New York on fat foods – it’s not that government cares. It’s what can they do to collect MORE MONEY!!
“And if guns are banned, the only people who will have one are the criminals”
A nation of slogan mongers.
“It’s like the tax in New York on fat foods ”
There is no tax on fat foods in New York. A nation of slogan mongers.
Trying to close a $15.4 billion budget gap, Paterson called for 88 new fees and a host of other taxes, including an “iPod tax” that taxes the sale of downloaded music and other “digitally delivered entertainment services.”
“We’re going to have to take some extreme measures,” Paterson said Tuesday after unveiling the slash-and-burn budget.
The proposal, which needs legislative approval, did not include broad-based income tax increases, but relied on smaller ones to raise $4.1 billion from cash-strapped New Yorkers.
Movie tickets, taxi rides, soda, beer, wine, cigars and massages would be taxed under Paterson’s proposal. It also extends sales taxes to cable and satellite TV services and removes the tax exemption for clothes costing less than $110.
Among the proposed taxes are higher rates on alcohol and soda (18 percent tax on non-nutritional drinks! Not Yoo-hoo!), tuition increases at the state and city univerisities, higher taxes on cigars (take that, Mr. Corporate Fatcat), and additional taxes on luxury items, such as cars over $60,000, aircraft over $500,000 (hangliders are safe), and yachts costing at least $200,000—thank heavens I got my yacht at a discount rate of just $150,000 last year, huh?
But, yes, included in the package is what some are calling an “iPod tax.”
NYDAILYNEWS
Mary,
The facts? Yeah, you give the facts alright, but in a very skewed way.
Of those 30,000 deaths each year, 20,000 of them are suicides.
That leaves 10,000.
Of those about 500 are accidental.
The facts are that more and more Americans own more guns each year in this country and gun violence and death has remainded roughly the same for the past 20 years.
I have shown you these facts, from the CDC even.
More guns DO NOT equal more gun crime and gun deaths.
CapnAmerica,
It would be nice if you could show a shred of intellectual honesty and not lie about what I have said.
The truth is that America doesn’t just have less gun control than many other countries, we are the most violent.
Violent crimes in this country compared to others is quite high.
America doesn’t have a problem with guns, we have a problem with violence.
What Mary doesn’t tell you when she is quoting that 30,000 number is that 20,000 of those deaths are from suicide.
If you start looking at the suicide numbers you can see that other countries like Japan have a very large number of suicides.
Gun control is not going to stop those people from killing themselves, so why does Mary and other gun banning people keep throwing around that number as if guns are the problem?
America has a problem with violence, not guns.
But, typical liberals, they look to ban the tool instead of solve the problem.
Proposed taxes are not taxes, slogan monger.
I think you are all too emotional to discuss gun control rationally. All you can do is argue with fear and extremes rather than having any reasonable discussion.
Let me be clear. I do NOT support a ban on so-called assault weapons. My point was that I personally don’t have any use for an assault weapon. My interest is in big bore pistols. And I do enjoy shooting M16s, Mini-14s, and AK47s.
Mary_Caruso
Posted January 25, 2009 at 12:00 pm | Permalink
I think you are all too emotional to discuss gun control rationally.
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Mary,
No offense, but you need to look in the mirror.
“What Mary doesn’t tell you when she is quoting that 30,000 number is that 20,000 of those deaths are from suicide.
I said over 30,000 die from gun violence. Suicide counts as gun violence. Those lives also have worth. Many people who attempt suicide survive less lethal attempts..but few survive self inflicted gun wounds. I think guns should be at least as regulated as the automobile..that’s not unreasonable.
Show me where I’m resorting to emotion. Every thing I’ve said is based on fact..not propaganda put out by the gun lobby.
Go look in the mirror yourself. Just because I disagree with you, that doesn’t make my opinion “emotional” or invalid. The facts speak for themselves.
Mary,
And more people die from car violence every year than “gun violence”
So what is regulating guns like automobiles going to do?
The way you throw around the term of “violence” is rather loose.
When someone falls down the stairs and dies is that falling violence?
If someone kills themselves with a drug overdose is the Prescription drug violence?
What exactly makes suicide “violent?”
Mary,
And everything I have said is based on fact as well.
You claim that more guns = more gun death.
So why is it that for the past 20 years more Americans own more guns every year and the gun deaths in this country have remained at roughly 30,000 with no change?
If your claim was true, we would see a corresponding change in gun deaths going up with the more guns owned and the more Americans owning them every year.
Mary,
Cars are controlled when we use them in public and for tax purposes.
If I don’t drive my car on public land I don’t need a license and I only have to register it for tax reasons.
I will make you a deal.
If those of us who want to carry concealed agree to registration of the gun we carry and a license as well, will you agree to allowing us to carry concealed everywhere?
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Mary_Caruso
Posted January 25, 2009 at 12:08 pm | Permalink
Show me where I’m resorting to emotion. Every thing I’ve said is based on fact..not propaganda put out by the gun lobby.
Go look in the mirror yourself. Just because I disagree with you, that doesn’t make my opinion “emotional” or invalid. The facts speak for themselves.
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“Show me where I’m resorting to emotion”
Um, how about this post? Note that I never said your concerns were “invalid”. You threw that in there. And you’re the one throwing around the charge that we’re over emotional. Please get a grip.
“Every thing I’ve said is based on fact..not propaganda put out by the gun lobby.”
Please show me where I’ve posted any propaganda put out by the gun lobby.
“The facts speak for themselves.”
Yes, they do. I guess we just hear them differently.
Try another look in that mirror.
Only if you agree to take them to the beach and swim with them, Nat.
No, I don’t think carrying guns everywhere just because you have a license to do so is a good idea.
And suicide is a violent act. So is any other death due to a gun wound, because that is the intention behind it. You can’t put falling down the stairs in teh same category..that’s comparing apples to oranges.
I’m not going to waste time splitting hairs with you…guns should be regulated and that’s what I beleive. It should be harder to get a gun than a driver’s license, but that’s not how it is in this country. And we have the highest incidence of guns deaths in the industrialized world because of that fact.
I’d face any of you gun nuts mano-a-mano in 12 feet of water. Be sure to wear your boots.
Right now, if I was diagnosed with a mental illness and had a history of domestic abuse and violence..I could go out and buy a gun, get a CC permit, and legally carry a gun anywhere it’s permitted..do you honestly think that would be a good idea?
I agree with the boy Nathan.
Guns should be freely available everywhere. They should be as plentiful and as accessible as public drinking fountains.
Parks and outdoor areas would be great place to pick up a gun and fire off a few rounds when you felt like it.
Free guns for everyone.
Guns don’t kill people…people kill people.
Mary,
So, why do you insist on saying you want guns regulated like cars when you don’t?
You just want regulation. Cars have nothing to do with it.
Why should it be harder to get a gun than a drivers license? Do you not agree with the 2nd Amendment?
That’s the old Davy Crockett joke. He challenged a seven-foot texan to a dual. As Crockett issued the challenge, the texan had choice of weapons. He chose ten pound hammers in six and a half feet of water. Crockett withdrew the challenge.
It’s you stinking gun owners who keep bringing up the car-gun anology. Fine, haul your food home in a gun.
Mary,
Obvioulsy you don’t know anything about guns.
If you have a domestic violence charge against you, you are not allowed to own a gun nor get a concealed carry license.
What type of history are you talking about in regards to mental illness?
Because the State runs a full background check on you after waiting 30 days for any state agency to submit bad information on you prior to issuing you a Concealed carry permit.
You can walk out of a gun store in five minutes with a semi-automatic pistol. The guy goes in back and checks you out on a cd rom.
“Snow falls in United Arab Emirates for only second time in recorded history…”
http://www.thenational.ae/article/20090125/NATIONAL/688880349/1010/enewsletter
The local language does not even have a word for it. Well, ‘cosmos’, can sure help with that little problem, don’t we all know. He’d call it ‘global warming’, ops….excuse me, I guess it’s ‘climate change’ now.
Right cosmos?
I have tried to post pieces of this 8 times and it says “Your comment is awaiting moderation”, when there is absolutely nothing in it objectable. (?)
I’m a gun owner and I bathe, twice daily.
Chicken bigot bawks makes his appearance.
bbbbbbaaaaaaaawwwwwwkkkkkkk bawk bawk baaaaaawwwwwkkkkkk!
Hugged a gay Negro today bigotbawks?
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Mary_Caruso
Posted January 25, 2009 at 12:28 pm | Permalink
Right now, if I was diagnosed with a mental illness and had a history of domestic abuse and violence..I could go out and buy a gun, get a CC permit, and legally carry a gun anywhere it’s permitted..do you honestly think that would be a good idea?
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That would be incorrect.
For a Kansas resident to get a permit, they must have been a resident of the county in which they apply, and a resident of Kansas for at least six months, at least 21 years old, and not have been convicted of a felony (or allowed in to a diversion program to avoid a felony conviction). A mental illness or drug lockup, or any of a number of misdemeanor convictions in the previous five years, also disqualify you. You have to be a U.S. citizen, and not dishonorably discharged from the armed forces. Restraining orders for domestic violence, stalking, and “contempt of court in a child support proceeding” will also prevent you from getting a permit.
Kansas SB 418 (2006), § 4(a).
Regular,
Just the facts. Which Mary love to say.
Care to revise your statment Mary and admit you were wrong?
….Because the State runs a full background check on you after waiting 30 days for any state agency to submit bad information on you prior to issuing you a Concealed carry permit…..
Nathan blathers on but the truth is the boy Nathan is FOR gun laws and gun control.
ME? FREE GUNS FOR EVERYONE!
The resident Liar-in-Chief Reguliar weighs in…
I wonder how much of the last cut-n-paste he made up himself.
He’s done it before and that’s why he is the ReguLIAR.
I think we need to change the laws to allow those convicted of domestic violence to be able to regain their rights to own a firearm.
At least misdeamenor violations.
There are some states that will arrest you for domestic violence for simply breaking things or being threatening.
Seems a bit much to take away someones right to own a gun forever for such infractions.
Not bad, mxyzptlk, but I like fibulus better. You have to admit, though, his feelings can’t be hurt. And now that he’s been mentioned twice, he’s happy.
The boy Nathan is a gun control NUT.
FREE GUNS FOR EVERYONE!
The Constitution says it is our RIGHT.
Fibulus is good. He can keep wanking so long as he’s mentioned.
A lot like BTK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJTt8YimiLE
Switzerland has a much higher per capita density of guns than the US, as does Israel, because weapons for use in defending their countries (militia, reservists) are stored at home, but they have a fraction of the murder/violence rate as does the US. Some other “civilized non 3rd world” countries have about the same per capita in gun ownership as does the US, so maybe we should corelate the gun ownership figure with the incarceration rate in the US vs elsewhere. About 1 in 100 are in the US prison or jail system here, another stat. not remotely matched by any other “civilized non 3rd world” country.
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Nathaniel
Posted January 25, 2009 at 12:50 pm | Permalink
I think we need to change the laws to allow those convicted of domestic violence to be able to regain their rights to own a firearm.
At least misdeamenor violations.
There are some states that will arrest you for domestic violence for simply breaking things or being threatening.
Seems a bit much to take away someones right to own a gun forever for such infractions.
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That’s debatable.
Domestic violence is for sure an anger management problem.
More deep seated than that, it is a disregard for another person’s well being/saftey in a situation whether the threat/action is perceived or real.
In my opinion, in order for someone to get a conceal and carry permit, they must not have a history of domestic violence.
I would hope that permit owners have demonstrated a temperament that is on even keel and can respond in a desperate or high anxiety situation in a responsible manner. Domestic violence background would indicate they do not have control of these type of situations.
If a person has no “official / documented” history of violence, can they have a CC permit?
Good afternoon mxyzptlk, the pi$ $/ant!
‘mxyzpthlk’ undoubtedly needs help with understanding so I will assist him.
1. pi$$/ant:
“little no-life weasely loser who amounts to nothing.”
2. pi$ $/ant:
“A person who existentially resembles a speck of dry dung hanging from an a/$$ hair of a gorilla. esp. when said person realizes this fact and sharply hones it’s “skill” (i.e. propensity) in the execution of self-serving, smarmy, meaningless, petty vendettas for short term gain, which all results in a net tally of gains which equals to zero. Not even gaining an ego boost, when you consider that their devolved impersonation of an ego is not of enough value to apply. Their biggest asset, if not their only one, tends to be their “skill” (i.e. propensity) to cheat. They are metaphorically refered to as ants due to their common abundance, and refered to as being urin/ated on (”pi$ $-”) due to their general insignificance and lack of impact.”
Yep, that’s mxyzptlk! Ha.
“For a Kansas resident to get a permit, they must have been a resident of the county in which they apply, and a resident of Kansas for at least six months, at least 21 years old, and not have been convicted of a felony (or allowed in to a diversion program to avoid a felony conviction). A mental illness or drug lockup, or any of a number of misdemeanor convictions in the previous five years, also disqualify you. You have to be a U.S. citizen, and not dishonorably discharged from the armed forces. Restraining orders for domestic violence, stalking, and “contempt of court in a child support proceeding” will also prevent you from getting a permit.
Kansas SB 418 (2006), § 4(a).
How do you know that someone has been diagnosed with a mental illness?…that’s not public record. The fact that someone has been diagnosed with a mental illness is kept confident under HEPPA regulations.
And the above talks only about getting a cc permit..not buying a gun. It also says anyone who has a “restraining order” due to domestic violence, etc. can’t get a permit. I would assume that someone with a history of arrest and conviction for domestic vilolence would be elegible at some point to buy a gun and even a CC permit.
I think due to the anount of violence and gun deaths in this country, guns should be tightly regulated.
It makes sense.
Wow, the moderators are out in force today.
But they can be fooled, finially.
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lindainks55
Posted January 25, 2009 at 1:02 pm | Permalink
If a person has no “official / documented” history of violence, can they have a CC permit?
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Obviously lindainks, people can slip through the cracks.
Kind of like forgetting (cough) to file one’s income taxes and being nominated for Treasury Secretary of the United States, which oversees the IRS.
:)
bbbbaaaawwwwkkkkkk bawk bawk baaaaaawwwwkkkkk
Your wife love to do more than hug gay magic Negroes bigot bawks.
She’s doing it right now behind your back while your nose is glued to a monitor.
“confident” should be “confidential”..
The monitor NEVER moderates me…(I work at the Beagle…that’s why)
Nathaniel
Posted January 25, 2009 at 12:45 pm | Permalink
Regular,
Just the facts. Which Mary love to say.
Care to revise your statment Mary and admit you were wrong?
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She gets her ‘facts’ from Brady.com
It would be fun to beat up on Brady.com line by line someday.
Busy today though. Going to a gun show.
So the violent person who hasn’t had complaints filed against them isn’t officially violent?
In domestic violence it is common that the battered doesn’t complain. It’s part of the cycle that the battered is convinced they deserve the beatings, etc.
Would love to stay and play…but duty calls. My hubby and I have to do some sheetrocking this afternoon.
Anyone interested in renting a one or two bedroom apartment in Riverside..only a block from the park?
It’ll be ready in a month or two.
$475 for two bedroom, $450 for the one bedroom. But the one bedroom has a garage and washer dryer hook ups in the basement.
It’s a duplex. Really cool with LOTS of character.
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Mary_Caruso
Posted January 25, 2009 at 1:04 pm | Permalink
How do you know that someone has been diagnosed with a mental illness?…that’s not public record. The fact that someone has been diagnosed with a mental illness is kept confident under HEPPA regulations.
And the above talks only about getting a cc permit..not buying a gun. It also says anyone who has a “restraining order” due to domestic violence, etc. can’t get a permit. I would assume that someone with a history of arrest and conviction for domestic vilolence would be elegible at some point to buy a gun and even a CC permit.
I think due to the anount of violence and gun deaths in this country, guns should be tightly regulated.
It makes sense.
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I dunno Mary, without seeing the form I imagine it’s like most forms.
There is a check mark with a statement like:
“Have you ever being diagnosed, treated, detained, incarcerated or committed an act due to mental illness?”
Truth is sometimes taken for granted in the U.S.
I find it curious that most of the gun violence occurs in inner city, leftist and liberal ran cities with unlicensed or stolen weapons.
Only 66 days to go before the Eagle stops publishing and the blog wankers will have to go cold turkey without their precioussssss blog.
“She gets her ‘facts’ from Brady.com”
No…I get my facts from the John Hopkins Institute. Better than get your “facts” from the NRA.
See ya!
“I find it curious that most of the gun violence occurs in inner city, leftist and liberal ran cities with unlicensed or stolen weapons.”
All the more reason for tighter gun control.
$475 for two bedroom, $450 for the one bedroom. But the one bedroom has a garage and washer dryer hook ups in the basement.
WAY to cheap Mary!
Riverside apts should be in the $600 + range unless it’s a dump.
lindainks55
Posted January 25, 2009 at 1:02 pm | Permalink
If a person has no “official / documented” history of violence, can they have a CC permit?
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Of course not.
EVERYONE is presumed GUILTY unless proven INNOCENT.
Linda,
What is your point?
Yes, if a mass murderer and homicidal manic, that no one knows about and there is no record of, went to get a cc permit he probably could.
Talk about a problem with no solution. Your point?
Mary,
Once again, in this state and in many others, domestic violence prevents you from buying or owning a gun.
Some differentiate between it being a felony level or not, but then again, a felony prevents you from buying or owning a gun already too.
“$475 for two bedroom, $450 for the one bedroom. But the one bedroom has a garage and washer dryer hook ups in the basement.
WAY to cheap Mary!
Riverside apts should be in the $600 + range unless it’s a dump.”
It’s not a dump..it’s really cool with a brand new bathroom in the one bedroom…and beautiful wood floors. Lots of space and big windows.
I like to keep my rent cheap so I have a large pool of people to choose from and they always stay rented. Let me know if you’re interested!
I really gotta go!
lindainks55
Posted January 25, 2009 at 1:09 pm | Permalink
So the violent person who hasn’t had complaints filed against them isn’t officially violent?
In domestic violence it is common that the battered doesn’t complain. It’s part of the cycle that the battered is convinced they deserve the beatings, etc.
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PRE-Crime isn’t a crime yet.
We may soon have PRE-CRIME laws and PRE-CRIME law enforcement though.
So, don’t even THINK about breaking the law!
TRY $600 Mary, you’ll get it guarenteed.
Mary,
Yes, we all know you want more regulation.
But what you fail to ever explain is how what specific regulations you want will do anything.
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lindainks55
Posted January 25, 2009 at 1:09 pm | Permalink
So the violent person who hasn’t had complaints filed against them isn’t officially violent?
In domestic violence it is common that the battered doesn’t complain. It’s part of the cycle that the battered is convinced they deserve the beatings, etc.
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Lee Harvey Oswald wasn’t convicted of anything violent to my recollection. The FBI had interests in him as he lived in the Soviet Union for three years. Political ideology to the extreme was his motivation.
I know about the silence and the horrible things in Domestic Violence lindainks.
My supposition is that people who are prone to domestic violence wouldn’t bother to get a conceal and carry permit because they have an identified or unidentified disregard for authority and good order in general.
The habitual abuser would simply obtain a firearm legally and carry it with or without a permit.
People violate the intent of laws all the time. To try and say ‘what if’ is the standard bearer for the meaning and lawful intent of the law is a best precarious thinking.
Obama’s KILLING CIVILIANS in Pakistan!
Quick, take away his ability to bomb people. He’s dangerous.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,482707,00.html
Karzai: U.S. Forces Killed 16 Afghan Civilians
Sunday, January 25, 2009
Associated Press
KABUL, Afghanistan — President Hamid Karzai condemned a U.S. operation he said killed 16 Afghan civilians, while hundreds of villagers denounced the American military during an angry demonstration Sunday.
“Leave those people alone.” — Richard Nixon.
Good advice to this day.
Okay, let’s see if this post makes it past the senseless censors……
I realize that some of my posts aren’t sugar-sweet. But it’s really not my fault. I can’t help it if I’m standing in line at Dillon’s at Douglas & Hillside and I see a certain bestselling chicken-skinny author on full display. And proceed to hold in my puke with panache.
I mean, the only thing worse than that would be seeing my impregnator publishing his own acid tome. I can see, er, smell it now:
“I was Muhammad Atta’s Muse: Peace, Lovin’ and Impregnatin’ in the Seventies”.
Of course, such a book probably wouldn’t sell many copies. Most of us wouldn’t glom onto a book whose longest sentence is, “Hey, man! Got any more of that haysheesh? I shure hope so – ’cause it’s the only way I can pop it like it’s haw-wurd!”
So I’ll be good today – all sugar and spice and everything nice.
And something very nice pervaded my cathode ray tube this past week. I purchased my converter box for my antenna-governed TV – and the picture is beyond belief! No more adjustin’ that stupid antenna – and still bringin’ in a lousy-ath picture. No more cursin’ and fussin’ when I can’t tune NBC (Channel 3) in at all – ’cause that channel is ooh-la-la after I got that converter box!
Of course, sometimes clarity isn’t a real good thing. During one of the inaugural balls, a familiar face pervaded the airwaves – and my memory of long ago.
But it wasn’t familiar enough.
Gordon Sumner (a.k.a. Sting) crooned away at one of the festivities, and by gawd I barely recognized him. The bottle-blonde heartthrob of the 1980s is now mousy-brown (or dingey-red, I can’t tell) of hair and burly of jowl – bearing little resemblance to the sensual sonata who nearly hastened my early grave…..
It was the summer of 1981. I was twenty-two years of age – but for me it was Year One. Emerging from nearly seven years of unremitting emotional agony, I was feeling born again and bu!!-kickin’. And I was acutely relieved.
Romance wasn’t exactly high on my list of priorities. I was taking a large number of credit hours; I was working part time; I had acquired an exquisite little kitten with whom I had fallen madly in love; and I wasn’t looking for a hunka-hunka burnin’ love. Not after the horrors of the past seven years.
(Maybe it was being compared to terrorists; maybe it was being termed a metaphor for the malaise of an immoral generation; maybe it was the pithy meanderings of a fat, ugly, pre-stroke nun named Mother Angelica who termed the post-abortive “worse than Hitler”….hell, all of that –it probably played a part….)
Succinctly, I had about as much interest in dating as I had in shoving a bomb into my uterus and decimating a village.
But one sultry July afternoon, I was idly watching television while ironing some clothes. An early video of The Police burst onto the airwaves. Singing “I Burn For You” directly into the camera, Sting nevertheless managed to keep his shirt on. (Something he didn’t always manage in later videos.)
At one point, the golden-haired vocalist gazed directly into the camera. And I was overwhelmed. He wasn’t merely “good-looking.” He wasn’t merely “handsome.” He wasn’t just “a good singer and bassist.” (Jack Bruce was probably better on both counts.)
All I knew was this: It was the first time anyone other than my impregnator had stirred my senses. In fact, I was so soul-stirred and shaken that I very nearly hurled myself out the window. He was that h-h-h-ot. He was just gorgeous. My gawd – he was indescribable.
Nearly twenty-eight years later, I’m lookin’ at this rugged, scraggley mountain man and thinkin’: “I once jumped out a ground floor windowpane for THAT?” He looked like he should be cuttin’ down caribou with Sarah Im-Palin or something.
Oh, what a cruel thing time can be…..
Mary_Caruso
Posted January 25, 2009 at 1:13 pm | Permalink
“I find it curious that most of the gun violence occurs in inner city, leftist and liberal ran cities with unlicensed or stolen weapons.”
All the more reason for tighter gun control.
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That IS the Brady mantra.
The 20,000 existing gun control laws are not stopping criminals.
So…
Pass more laws.
crime rates:
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004912.html
“A person who existentially resembles a speck of dry dung hanging from an a/$$ hair of a gorilla”
That’s a dingleberry. Keep your terms straight.
Regular, thank you for your thoughtful (and I suspect correct) thoughts.
FilmFan, thank you for being one of our posters! Always good to read you.
mxyzptlk Posted January 25, 2009 at 1:07 pm |
“The monitor NEVER moderates me…(I work at the Beagle…that’s why)”
misfit pi$$ant,
No? They pull your posts completely off, I’ve seen it, ha.
Carbon credits are coming, whether you like or not. China makes use of it big time in Hydro plants and dams. Of course the public pays in the end. The environment freaks are growing and those of us who feel differently will lose our freedom and money. Of course the One is in favor of cabon credits. This is a long read if you are up to it.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090125/ap_on_re_as/china_s_golden_dams
george,
Carbon taxes are coming.
“Carbon taxes are coming.”
Nope! Not if the economy stays the challenge. Ha!
Hey comatose, did ya miss it?
“Snow falls in United Arab Emirates for only second time in recorded history…”
Now that’s climate change, but it sure as he11 isn’t global warming.
It’s going the wrong way for you comatose, or did you miss that too?
Mary.you brought up the NRA again yet have refused to answer my question from earlier today. Why won’t you let the NRA teach gun safety in our schools. Thay will do it for free
“wichhick” –
Why do you oppose allowing kindergartners from carrying weapons to school?
dimwit monkeyhawk……..try to ask a question of value “for once”…….by the way why are you against the NRA teaching gun safety in our schools…….I BET you won’t answer.
monkeyhawk..is the age of kindergartens when you want to start teaching them about alternative life styles, contraception, abortion, liberals?
bigotbawks,
Carbon taxes are coming, despite the economic issues.
Snow in the mountains of UAE does not refute the observed global warming.
Anthropogenic global warming is ALSO causing anthropogenic global climate changes.
Yeah I know comatose, whether it’s warming or cooling it’s climate change, all man’s fault of course, and we must have carbon taxes right now to save the planet.
You sound like an idiot nerd with no life outside AGW.
Quite frankly, if you think you are doing your cause any good you are sadly mistaken, you simply making more and more turn a deaf ear.
Boxlock20
Posted January 25, 2009 at 2:32 pm | Permalink
mxyzptlk Posted January 25, 2009 at 1:07 pm |
“The monitor NEVER moderates me…(I work at the Beagle…that’s why)”
misfit pi$$ant,
No? They pull your posts completely off, I’ve seen it, ha.
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Wrong as usual bigot bawks.
I pull ‘em off as I see fit.
bigotbawks,
No, anthropogenic global warming has for decades also been called climate change, because the warming temperatures also cause climate changes.
I’m sorry that is too complicated for you to understand.
“Mary.you brought up the NRA again yet have refused to answer my question from earlier today. Why won’t you let the NRA teach gun safety in our schools. Thay will do it for free”
Now why would I allow them to do that? It would only make guns seem more desirable to kids.
No, no matter what you say to try and convince me, I will never allow it to happen :)
“That IS the Brady mantra.
The 20,000 existing gun control laws are not stopping criminals.
So…
Pass more laws.”
Then maybe it’s time to pass EFFECTIVE laws that seriously limit access to guns.
“Wrong as usual bigot bawks.
I pull ‘em off as I see fit.”—the misfit
Liar!
“I’m sorry that is too complicated for you to understand.”–comatose
It’s not too complicated for me comatose, I understand you are a one pony show, and not a very good one.
“But what you fail to ever explain is how what specific regulations you want will do anything.”
No, I’ve been specific many, many times. I’m just not going to waste my time repeating myself over and over trying to convince you, Nathan. If you can’t grasp it the first time, why should I bother?
You know, I’d love to continue this “interesting discussion”, but as usual, my cat is insisting on sitting on my lap while I type..and he’s got some serious gas!
NOTHING worse than cat farts..so I’m outta here!
Oh Mary….I hope you survive the cat’s gas. It’s lethal!
When you come back Mary maybe we can discuss just what can be done to decrease gun deaths. The reason I say that is that guns will not be eliminated, so education seems the best bet.
Many more are killed in automobiles, but to eliminate them would not be feasible, so too is the situation with guns. You can NOT but the genie back in the bottle if it doesn’t want to go there.
I know you don’t like to look at these facts but the level of crime has increase in both Great Britain and even more so Australia since they enacted strict gun controls and even confiscation.
Like many things, what seem obvious isn’t what happens, and actually hurts.
Boxlock20
Posted January 25, 2009 at 7:17 pm | Permalink
When you come back Mary maybe we can discuss just what can be done to decrease gun deaths.
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Simple: don’t shoot people!!!
bigotbawks posted January 25, 2009 at 6:06 pm
“I’m sorry that is too complicated for you to understand.”–comatose
It’s not too complicated for me comatose,…
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Yes, it is. You have clearly proven that with your posts.
And the needed changes begin,
‘Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards‘
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/26/us/politics/26calif.html?hp
“President Obama on Monday will direct federal regulators to move swiftly to grant California and 13 other states the right to set strict automobile emissions and fuel efficiency standards, two administration officials said Sunday evening.”
Boxlock20
Posted January 25, 2009 at 6:05 pm | Permalink
“Wrong as usual bigot bawks.
I pull ‘em off as I see fit.”—the misfit
Liar!
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Shall I prove what I say by posting your name and address bigot bawks?
Do you give me permission to break your anonymity?
“Shall I prove what I say by posting your name and address bigot bawks?
Do you give me permission to break your anonymity?”—the lying misfit
You are an empty shell, nothing but a worthless shallow lying misfit…you would and could never be entrusted with anything of importance. So go ahead if you think you are man enough to stand up to what comes next.
Even if you did work at the Eagle, which is a lie, you would not, could not, be entrusted with the responsibility of cleaning the urinals.
When you come back Mary maybe we can discuss just what can be done to decrease gun deaths.
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“Simple: don’t shoot people!!!”—JMWalker
Right JM, now you’ve got it. It has nothing to do with guns, but everything to do with people.
“Boxlock20″ trips over –
“It has nothing to do with guns, but everything to do with people.”
That’s what I’ve always advocated: License gun owners, make sure they’re competent, capable, and responsible.
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mxyzptlk
Posted January 25, 2009 at 7:50 pm | Permalink
Boxlock20
Posted January 25, 2009 at 6:05 pm | Permalink
“Wrong as usual bigot bawks.
I pull ‘em off as I see fit.”—the misfit
Liar!
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Shall I prove what I say by posting your name and address bigot bawks?
Do you give me permission to break your anonymity?
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Go ahead, I would love to see you banned permanently.
Everybody already knows you James and where you live. bigot bawks is another matter.
Hmmm…how about tomorrow at 1 PM?
On second thought let’s make it cosmic numerically by saying the Revelation shall occur on 1/26/09 at 12:34 PM.
Stay tuned bpyz and gurlz to see bigot bawks spanked!
Typical Leftist coward you are mxyzptlk.
They only way it should be if you put someone’s real name and address on here is you put YOUR real name and address on here as well.
Otherwise, you’re nothing but a sniveling coward.
Regular,
I contacted the Eagle and had several of the pis/ant misfit’s post pulled from the blog, they did no immediately, and let me know.
He, the ‘amount’s to nothing’, tried to make it look like he pulled them himself.
He is so shallow and with so little self respect he has to lie to make himself look important as if it convinces anyone. What a joke.
It will be interesting to watch him make an even more complete fool of himself as if he could.
I invite him to do as he threatened, it would be a very fun and probably profitable legal exercise for me.
so mary….if we teach them more about sex,will that make sex more desirable to them..
and mary if we teach them about drinking and driving will that make drinking and driving more desirable to them
“I contacted the Eagle and had several of the pis/ant misfit’s post pulled from the blog, they did ‘no’ immediately, and let me know.”
Should read;
I contacted the Eagle and had several of the pis/ant misfit’s posts pulled from the blog, they did ‘SO’ immediately, and let me know.
so monkeyhawk, why are you against teaching gun safety in school?
monkeyhawk…….all those criminals will be first in line when you require as gun owners that they be registered…finally that first step to being responsible
boxlock20: About the UK and Australia, you are quite wrong, there has been a steep decline since stonger controls were introduced. Check The UK Home Office Stats for the UK on all crime over the last 10 years, and then google the effects in Australia as well. I don’t know where this stuff comes from, save the NRA’s hymnal.
Anyone interested in the state of the health care system in this country needs to watch the British take on it. Scroll to the bottom of the page for a three part video:
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/BBC_documentary_takes_on_Obamas_plans_0125.html
sursum,
Your assertion is fallacious, references and links please.
Here are but a few:
“Since Australia banned private ownership of most guns in 1996, crime has risen dramatically on that continent, prompting critics of U.S. gun control efforts to issue new warnings of what life in America could be like if Congress ever bans firearms. ”
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15304
“Gun control has not worked in Canada. Since the new gun registration program started in 1998, the U.S. homicide rate has fallen, but the Canadian rate has increased. The net cost of Canada’s gun registry has surged beyond $1-billion — more than 500 times the amount originally estimated.
Crime did not fall in England after handguns were banned in 1997. Quite the contrary, crime rose sharply….
Australia saw its violent crime rates soar after its 1996 gun control measures banned most firearms. Violent crime rates averaged 32% higher in the six years after the law was passed than they did the year before the law went into effect. Murder and manslaughter rates remained unchanged, but armed robbery rates increased 74%, aggravated assaults by 32%. Australia’s violent crime rate is also now double America’s. In contrast, the United States took the opposite approach and made it easier for individuals to carry guns. Thirty-seven of the 50 states now have right-to-carry laws that let law-abiding adults carry concealed handguns once they pass a criminal background check. Violent crime in the United States has fallen much faster than in Canada, and violent crime has fallen even faster inright-to-carry states than for the nation as a whole. The states with the fastest growth in gun ownership have also experienced the biggest drops in violent crime rates.”
http://johnrlott.tripod.com/op-eds/NationalPost61504.html
sursum,
I would like to ask that I be able to retract my assertion that your above statement relative to the UK’s and Australia’s crime statistics was fallacious out of courtesy to you.
I still maintain my assertions, but realize that statistics can be make to look about any way one wants depending on what is reported and how.
If you have expressed you opinion honestly then fine, we simply disagree. I can assure you I have mine.
Mary_Caruso
Posted January 25, 2009 at 1:12 pm | Permalink
“She gets her ‘facts’ from Brady.com”
No…I get my facts from the John Hopkins Institute. Better than get your “facts” from the NRA.
See ya!
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Gun facts from Johns Hopkins Medical School.
Yup. Great source.
They can tell you some things about gunshot wounds and medical treatment, but that’s where their expertise ends.
Soon you’ll be getting more gun data from the CDC too, as soon as the Democrats pass more funding for the CDC to promote their gun ban agenda.
Greedy Friends of slum landlord. You slum landlords are in need of MORE GOVERNMENT REGULATION.
mxyzptlk
Posted January 25, 2009 at 1:17 pm | Permalink
TRY $600 Mary, you’ll get it guarenteed.
THIS is the REAL GLOBAL WARMING AGENDA: Get More Tax Money! (Notice how Cosmos is thrilled about higher taxes!)
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cosmos_originally
Posted January 25, 2009 at 2:50 pm | Permalink
george,
Carbon taxes are coming.
Mary_Caruso
Posted January 25, 2009 at 6:02 pm | Permalink
“Mary.you brought up the NRA again yet have refused to answer my question from earlier today. Why won’t you let the NRA teach gun safety in our schools. Thay will do it for free”
Now why would I allow them to do that? It would only make guns seem more desirable to kids.
No, no matter what you say to try and convince me, I will never allow it to happen :)-0——————————-
Same reason why some oppose instruction on birth control and teaching kids how to use rubbers using a cucumber.
Educating the children on gun safety will only make those kids want to have sex, oh I mean, use guns more.
Please describe an EFFECTIVE gun law Mary.
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Mary_Caruso
Posted January 25, 2009 at 6:04 pm | Permalink
“That IS the Brady mantra.
The 20,000 existing gun control laws are not stopping criminals.
So…
Pass more laws.”
Then maybe it’s time to pass EFFECTIVE laws that seriously limit access to guns.
Mary et al.
You don’t want to argue guns with these people.
They value their guns like they value their naughty bits . . . in fact, sometimes I’m pretty sure they can’t tell which is which.
They subscribe to magazines like National Rifleman and Combat Handguns that tell them exactly the talking points that they are using now.
Pay no attention to the fact that “More Guns = Less Crime” is not what any other researchers found when they looked at the same statistics that John Lott used.
If not for these guys and their gun fetish, the commies would have taken over years ago.
There’s no reasoning with them. They are to guns as religious fundamentalists are to the Bible.
And isn’t it funny how often the two go together . . .
Oh Capn, if you believe More Guns = More Crime, please explain how crime rates have fallen as the number of guns in America increased?
Pay no attention to the Capn who makes sweeping generalizations with no basis in fact.
Please tell us some more stories Capn…..
LOL…
As if anything Mary says isn’t right from the pages of AGS or the Brady Campaign…
Nathaniel writes that I lie.
Strange. Point out the lie and refute it.
He doesn’t because he can’t.
Here’s exactly what he wrote yesterday: Why would God tell us one thing in the Bible and then pass on later something completely contradictory what was already stated?
Either you believe the Bible is the word of God or you don’t.
As Nathan interprets the Bible, only those who profess that Jesus is their Savior will enter heaven . . . because that’s what the Bible says.
Therefore all Jews will eternally burn in an everlasting lake of fire.
But wait, even though the Bible doesn’t say it, Nathan believes that those Jews will somehow be able to choose to believe in Christ, like after they’re dead or on Judgment Day or something.
So Nathan believes exactly what the Bible says. And he also believes what it doesn’t say.
Got it?
Notice how JimJohnson falsely claims to be a mind-reader!
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JimJohnson posted January 25, 2009 at 11:07 pm
THIS is the REAL GLOBAL WARMING AGENDA: Get More Tax Money! (Notice how Cosmos is thrilled about higher taxes!)
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cosmos_originally
Posted January 25, 2009 at 2:50 pm | Permalink
george,
Carbon taxes are coming.
CapnAmerica,
You attributed a quote to me which I didn’t type. That is dishonest.
I answered your questions in good faith and rather than attempt to engage in a real discussion you further build strawman arguments about what I said.
You are an intellectual coward.
JJMaxie–
I’ll explain it in two words: John Lott.
Nobody else got the correlations that he got. The general consensus is that CC laws have no effect on crime rates one way or the other.
By the way, the biggest effect that drove down violent crime rates?
Abortion.
The unwanted babies to poverty-stricken mothers didn’t get born 35 years after abortion became legal in 1972.
Therefore, the cohort of the population most likely to engage in violent crime wasn’t around to commit violent crime.
See Freakonomics by Stephen Levitt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freakonomics
I see Nathan is playing his little game again.
“I didn’t say that. No, no, no, I didn’t say that.”
Well then explain what you did say.
Here’s what I copied and pasted–
Nathaniel
Posted January 24, 2009 at 4:16 pm | Permalink
Pedent,
Why would God tell us one thing in the Bible and then pass on later something completely contradictory what was already stated?
Either you believe the Bible is the word of God or you don’t.
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I’m going to bed.
Maybe you can explain it so a reasonable person doesn’t see a huge, glaring contradiction here, Nathan.
I still can’t figure out the FundyCON’s love affair with Israel.
Maybe Nathan can stop calling me a liar long enough to just explain it . . .
Capn would have you believe that KILLING BABIES has improved our crime rate.
Yup Capn, and if KILLING BABIES has improved our crime rate, then KILLING EVEN MORE PEOPLE should be EVEN BETTER!
Well, you can call them babies if you want to, JJ. The Supreme Court called them unviable fetusus.
But the facts don’t lie.
Legal abortion in 1972–plummeting violent crime rates in 1992 . . .
CapnAmerica,
It is rather simple. You started off in this thread saying that I wrote something, placing it in quotes, and it was something I never wrote.
That is a lie. You are an intellectual coward.
Run off to bed.
Look at how many States have passed Right to Carry Laws in the last 20 years.
MILLIONS of people are now legally carrying guns, yet the crime rate nationwide has fallen in the last 20 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rtc.gif
More guns are NOT causing more crime.
CapnAmerica,
I bet if we just killed off half the African American population in the slums in our country not only would violent crime go down, but so would those on welfare.
What a stupid argument.
BTW, I wasn’t smart enough to see this correlation.
It was a clever economist skilled in powerful statistical methodology that observed it and demonstrated it.
It’s not something you can argue away just because you don’t like the conclusion.
So your not going to explain, Nathan, how one can “only believe what the Bible says,” and then believe as you do, what the Bible DOESN’T say.
That’s okay, Nathan. But I wish you wouldn’t call me the intellectual coward while you’re doing it.
Nathan–
WTF?
I copied and pasted what you wrote.
TWICE.
Where’s the lie in that?
CapnAmerica,
Let me show you:
“Jews will burn for all eternity in the hell fire of damnation”
You said that I wrote the above. I never did. You are a liar.
CapnAmerica,
I can very easily explain my stance as well. What is sadily ironic is that of the two of us, it is what you believe which CONTRADICTS what the Bible says, and you sit here mocking me for saying I believe something which is not in contradiction with the Bible?
Sorry, I honestly thought that’s what you wrote.
So knowing that Jews have a statement of faith which reads that one cannot believe in Jesus and be a Jew, you’re saying that they aren’t condemned to burn.
Hmmm . . .
How do you figure that?
Given John 14:6, how can one be a Jew which by very definition rejects Christ and not burn in damnation?
I’m just sitting here waiting for the scales to fall from my eyes . . .
CapnAmerica,
Yes, if one doesn’t have faith in Christ, they will not be saved.
That’s what I thought you said.
So, let’s recap.
Even though you didn’t directly say that all Jews who remain Jews will burn in hell for all eternity, it is a logical conclusion from your premises, is it not?
CapnAmerica,
I can’t make a statement as to “all” Jews. There are Jews who do accept Christ and have faith in him.
It is the fact that since yesterday you have over simplified what I have said, turned it into a cruel and vulgar statement, and then today you even put quotes on something which I never said and you claimed I did.
That is dishonest. Instead of simply engaging me in a discussion you choose to go the route of “paraphrasing” me into over simplified statements. For what reason?
And since it is your belief that any Jews who do not accept Christ (that would be all of them, by their own definition, because as soon as they accept Christ, they are no longer Jewish) will burn in hell for all eternity . . . why the unwavering Fundy-CON support for Israel?
I’ll look forward to reading your answer tomorrow since some of us have to work for a living.
I’ll see if I can find the Jewish statement of faith, Nathan, so you can be disabused of your notion that “some Jews accept Christ.”
Yes, we call those people ex-Jews.
CapnAmerica,
Actually, they call themselves Messianic Jews.
Messianic jews are in fact real, Caon. They aren’t spotted here and there like a Sasquatch, they are numerous and are well established. You should look it up.
I’m ashamed…I I I just never knew. I’m so sorry.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,482788,00.html
But on the bright side, you should just be sure to drink plenty of fluids and get plenty of rest and it’ll clear up in no time!
You’ll get back that ol’ “bounce in your step” lickety-split!
How long do you imagine it will take the guvmunt to admit to us that it is (or very soon to be) a depression? And it’ll be a hyper-inflationary one to boot!
Sorry Mare, having another one o’ my spells again.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/26/news/economy/nabe_survey/index.htm
From Wikipedia:
Judaism takes a strong stand against many views expressed by Christian theology. One of the most important Jewish principles of faith is the belief in one God and one God only with no partnership of any kind,[1] and belief in Jesus as deity, part of a deity, son of God, or Christ, is incompatible with Judaism
The Jerusalem Talmud (Ta’anit 2:1) states explicitly: “if a man claims to be God, he is a liar.”
Judaism does not believe that salvation or repentance from sin can be achieved through sacrifice on another’s behalf, (”The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers; every man shall be put to death for his own sin.”)
Jews throughout time have called Jesus “Yeshu,” which is short for “yemach shemo vezichro – ‘May his name and memory be obliterated.’”
Maimonides on Christianity: “Even Jesus the Nazarene who imagined that he would be Messiah and was killed by the court, was already prophesied by Daniel. So that it was said, “And the members of the outlaws of your nation would be carried to make a (prophetic) vision stand. And they stumbled” (Daniel 11.14). Because, is there a greater stumbling-block than this one? So that all of the prophets spoke that the Messiah redeems Israel, and saves them, and gathers their banished ones, and strengthens their commandments. And this one caused (nations) to destroy Israel by sword, and to scatter their remnant, and to humiliate them, and to exchange the Torah, and to make the majority of the world err to serve a divinity besides God.”
As for the non-issue of Messianic Jews:
Messianic Judaism is a religious movement whose adherents believe that Jesus of Nazareth, whom they call Yeshua, is both the resurrected Jewish Messiah and their Divine Savior.[1][2][3]
The central characteristic defining the Messianic Jewish movement as Christian, rather than Jewish, is its belief in the divinity of their Messiah, Jesus.[4] This central tenet of belief is seen by the great majority of Christians and Jews as being the defining distinction between the two religions.[5][6] This is also the opinion of the Supreme Court of Israel regarding immediate and automatic eligibility for Israeli citizenship under the Law of Return.[7]
Although many Messianic Jews are ethnically Jewish and argue that Messianic Judaism is a sect of Judaism,[13] the various streams of Judaism are unanimous in their rejection of Messianism as a form of Judaism.[6][14] Christians and Jews consider Messianic Judaism to be a form of Christianity . . .
Okay, now that we’ve dispensed with that nonsense, let’s see if Nathan–who loves to throw around the term “intellectual coward”–will finally answer my question:
Why are Fundy-Cons, who believe that Jews will NOT BE SAVED (and hence burn forever in an eternal lake of fire), so gung-ho to support whatever Israel does?
“How long do you imagine it will take the guvmunt to admit to us that it is (or very soon to be) a depression? And it’ll be a hyper-inflationary one to boot!”
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It won’t take the full year it took to admit recession.
President Obama will want America to know how bad what he inherited really is.
bush wanted to keep what happened on his watch hidden for as long as possible. He had hoped to get out of dodge before the truth came out.
As John tells us in Revelation–I saw the dead, both great and small, standing before God’s throne. And the books were opened, including the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to the things written in the books, according to what they had done. The sea gave up the dead in it, and death and the grave gave up the dead in them. They were all judged according to their deeds. And death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death — the lake of fire. And anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire . . . ”
But . . . but . . . but, I thought Nathan said that we are not judged by our deeds (”who is good enough to get into heaven?” he mocks), but only by our faith in Jesus.
There seems to be a contradiction here. Nathan first argues Paul’s line that “grace alone” is the path for salvation, because “that what the Bible says” . . . until he doesn’t and ignores John’s judgment by deeds which is also “what the Bible says,” and argues that “dead souls will have a second chance for grace by choosing Christ” which is nowhere in the Bible.
Wow. I wish I were dumb enough to be a Fundy-Con. I’d have all the answers . . . what’s not in the Bible, I can just make up. And what’s in the Bible, I can just ignore.
I hope you’re right linda.
Hey, anyone heard from ‘mxyzptlk’ the misfit tonight?
He threatened to reveal my name, address, etc. Claimed he worked at the Eagle and could post, and pull post at will. Here is an example of his lies.
“Shall I prove what I say by posting your name and address bigot bawks?”
Hmmm…how about tomorrow at 1 PM?
On second thought let’s make it cosmic numerically by saying the Revelation shall occur on 1/26/09 at 12:34 PM.
Stay tuned bpyz and gurlz to see bigot bawks spanked!”
Does anyone see anything? Now who’s been spanked!
The petty little liar.