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234 Comments

  1. Maggotpunk
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 6:03 am | Permalink

    Uh oh, creationism is disproven once again while the evidence for the irrefutable fact of evolution becomes even more undeniable.

    How Did Life Begin? RNA That Replicates Itself Indefinitely Developed For First Time

    ScienceDaily (Jan. 10, 2009) — One of the most enduring questions is how life could have begun on Earth. Molecules that can make copies of themselves are thought to be crucial to understanding this process as they provide the basis for heritability, a critical characteristic of living systems. New findings could inform biochemical questions about how life began.

    Now, a pair of Scripps Research Institute scientists has taken a significant step toward answering that question. The scientists have synthesized for the first time RNA enzymes that can replicate themselves without the help of any proteins or other cellular components, and the process proceeds indefinitely.

    The work was recently published in the journal Science.

    More real science, not creationist magic at:
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090109173205.htm

  2. JWink
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 6:07 am | Permalink

    Get ready … tonight about midnight, the Moon becomes officially FULL. Of course, the moon will appear full for about two days previous and following today and tomorrow. I believe calendars probably show tomorrow to be the full moon but here in Wichita, the moon would be opposite the Sun’s position late this evening.

    Don’t know if any cows will jump over the moon tonight.

  3. Maggotpunk
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 6:09 am | Permalink

    Now here’s something interesting. The House passed a bill stating some revolutionary concept that women should get paid the same as men if they do the same work. The Paycheck Fairness Act was in response to a lousy Supreme Court decision where a woman lost a case because she didn’t know how much everyone else was paid when she started working. For some reason it wasn’t a unanimous vote in the House with 163 people voting against it.

    While Tiahrt abstained, Lynn Jenkins voted against it. Does that mean Jenkins thinks she’s overpaid? Put your money where your vote is Lynn and take a pay cut so you make less then your male co-workers.

    http://themiddleclass.org/node/179/votes/state

  4. Monkeyhawk
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 6:15 am | Permalink

    “JWink” –

    I remember my little Golden Book and I know for a fact the cow jumped over a crescent moon. It’s right there in the illustration.

    On the other hand, my cat’s getting out his fiddle. He’s much better on keyboards, though.

  5. JWink
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 6:20 am | Permalink

    M.H.: Good observations. Your cat must be very talented.

  6. HLP
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 6:48 am | Permalink

    Germany having ‘one of the coldest winters in 100 years’

    The cold has so far cost four people their lives and caused even the Muritzsee [a large lake] to freeze up.

    One of the coldest winters in 100 years has cost Germany more lives. At minus 16 degrees a homeless man in Rhineland-Palatinate froze to death. Police said yersterday that the 58-year-old had for two years lived with a 43-year-old in a tent.

    On Friday morning, a 53-year old Berliner was fished out dead from a hole in the ice in the Elde in Grabow (District Ludwigslust). According to the police at directorate Schwerin, the man’s car was found with the key still in the ignition on the bridge of the federal 5th

    In Nidda a man who lived in a nursing home became a victim of the cold, according to the police in Friedberg. The corpse of a man who on Sunday ran away from home, was found on Monday. Only now it has been established that he froze to death. On Monday in Weimar a demented 77 – year-old who had got lost froze to death…..

    According to the German Weather Service (DWD), this is one of the coldest winters of the past 100 years. It is quite rare that such low temperatures as in the past days were recorded, the DWD meteorologist Thomas Schmidt said yesterday. The weather service Meteomedia reported yesterday a temperature of minus 34.6 degrees at the Funtensee in the Bavarian Alps. It was there in Christmas 2001, that the lowest temperature so far in Germany was recorded — at minus 45.9 degrees Celsius, .

    For the first time in years the Mueritz lake in Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania — with 11,700 hectares of Germany’s largest lake scenery — was again completely covered with ice. In northern Germany ice increasingly hampered inland ship movements: The Elbe was from Friday morning closed to shipping above Hamburg because of a thick blanket of ice.

    More here:

    http://www.sz-online.de/nachrichten/artikel.asp?id=2042096

  7. JWink
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 7:21 am | Permalink

    This morning, the Full moon should set in the west as the Sun rises in the east. Likewise, this evening, the Full moon should rise in the east at virtually the same time (with some geometrical adjustments) as the Sun sets in the west.

    Because the earth and moon each are tilted somewhat, the moon will not be in direct line of the Sun’s rays … so sorry, there will be no eclipse of the moon tonight.

    So, if the sky is clear, the Full moon should be shining brightly as it revolves around a troubled earth. Intelligent Designer, where are you when the earth’s residents need you?

  8. XXX
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    I see we have the usual dearth of blog subjects today. It would be nice if the editors would grow an imagination.

  9. Heckler
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    Name That Party!

    PrintJanuary 9, 2009 Posted by John at 8:09 PM

    Sheila Dixon, the Mayor of Baltimore, has been indicted on charges of theft and perjury:

    Mayor Sheila Dixon was indicted Friday on charges that she accepted illegal gifts during her time as mayor and City Council president, including travel, fur coats and gift cards intended for the poor that she allegedly used instead for a holiday shopping spree. …

    Prosecutors said the gift cards were to be distributed to needy families, but were instead used by Dixon to buy electronics–including an Xbox, a PlayStation 2 and a camcorder–clothes and other merchandise and also handed out to members of her staff.

    Actually, if you read far enough–paragraph number TWELVE–you can learn that Dixon is a Democrat. The Democrats are reminding us, on a daily basis, why they have been known as the party of corruption for more than 150 years.

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/01/022511.php

  10. Phantom
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    When I saw who posted, and read the first line, I named the party!

  11. Phantom
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 8:15 am | Permalink

    I saw a honey bee fyling around yesterday, bet he’s real confused this morning!

  12. generaston
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 8:15 am | Permalink

    Did you all see that my comments on the story of the woman winning 500K in the lottery was removed as being abusive.

    Simply because the story pointed out that the winner was a single mother of five, 45 years old, did not own a home, and was attending college and I simply wondered if the money used to buy the lottery tickets was some of that “entitled” money you hear about.

    I also wondered that if this was so, shouldn’t some of that money be used to PAYBACK the taxpayers.

    Somehow the Eagle determined this was abusive or maybe hateful, I don’t know. What do you all think? Has anyone seen the Eagle’s definition of the first amendment posted anywhere? How about hearing from you “editors”.

  13. XXX
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    Heckler
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    Name That Party!

    Actually, if you read far enough–paragraph number TWELVE–you can learn that Dixon is a Democrat. The Democrats are reminding us, on a daily basis, why they have been known as the party of corruption for more than 150 years.
    ________________________________________________

    Heckler,
    Corruption knows no party.
    If Dixon is guilty of crimes she should be removed from office and punished. That should be the fate of ALL crooked politicians, Democrat or Republican.

  14. Phantom
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    Has Rush paid back his welfare?

  15. fleettwood
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 8:40 am | Permalink

    “Has Rush paid back his welfare?”

    Are you kidding? He pays millions a year in taxes.
    I think we can call it paid.

  16. Heckler
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    XXX

    “Corruption knows no party.”

    True.

    The commentery is as much an indictment of the MSM for how they treat the 2 partys when it comes to news coverage.

    If the bad guy is a Republican it will show up in the first paragraph, if not the title.

    If the bad guy (gal) is a Democrat you usually wont find it until after the third or fourth paragraph.

  17. Heckler
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    XXX

    I havent checked but what you want to bet that Mayor Dixon is one of Bloombergs “Mayors against scary GUNS” group. If so she would make about number six of that group who’ve gotten in trouble with the law.

  18. XXX
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    More Phelps goodness

    Shirley Phelps-Roper sues St. Joseph over ordinance banning protests at soldiers’ funerals
    http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/972152.html
    ___________________________________________________

    Don’t you wish these people would move some place else? Like Alaska maybe?

  19. Heckler
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    XXX

    Well shazzam!!!

    “Baltimore Mayor Sheila Dixon hosted 16 mayors and city representatives from 7 states at a regional violence reduction summit where the coalition announced plans to share crime gun data in the Mid-Atlantic region. At the conference, mayors discussed the escalating crime trends and the costs of gun violence and other strategies to reduce violent crime, including intelligence gathering.”

    http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/events/baltimore_summit.shtml

  20. XXX
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    Heckler
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    XXX

    “Corruption knows no party.”

    True.

    The commentery is as much an indictment of the MSM for how they treat the 2 partys when it comes to news coverage.

    If the bad guy is a Republican it will show up in the first paragraph, if not the title.
    ________________________________________________

    Heckler,
    I’ve run into that when a Republican was involved. It’s irritating. When a pol is involved in criminal activity, I want to know up front what party they represent.

    Mayors against scary guns? Jeez, just what we need. Another panty-wetting anti gun group.

  21. Pedant
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    fleettwood
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 8:40 am | Permalink
    “Has Rush paid back his welfare?”

    Are you kidding? He pays millions a year in taxes.
    I think we can call it paid.

    lol

    uh, I think not.

    I think we can agree that, based on his gross income, it would certainly appear that he’s eligible to pay millions a year in taxes.

    Where we part ways, though, is that I am not so gullible to believe that his gross income is not adjusted down to a level that tends to bring his tax liabilities waay down. A lot. My guess is that he would far rather pay a good tax attorney $X and Uncle Sam $Y, even if his tax liability <= X + Y. And if his tax liability = X + Y, then my guess is that an old Joe Pyne wannabe like Rush would never ever allow Y to go unpaid if it means Uncle Sam goes hungry. After all, like ol’ Joe Pyne ol’ Rush has been puttin’ the “c” in Conservative for going on twenty years now!

    “He pays millions a year in taxes,” hoo boy, now THAT’s a kneeslapper!

  22. XXX
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    Heckler
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    XXX

    Well shazzam!!!
    ________________________________________________

    Man, you had that one called!

    Can I borrow your crystal ball?

  23. Pedant
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:11 am | Permalink

    “…t an old Joe Pyne wannabe like Rush would never ever allow Y to go unpaid if it means Uncle Sam goes hungry.”

    well crap

    X, not Y.

    What is it about this WordPress format that makes it so difficult for me to use the “preview” function effectively? Anybody else have this problem? writerdog?

  24. blogmonitor
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    Early Blog trends for today:

    MaggotPunk will post something he copied from some science link which proves nothing about evolution and disproves nothing but serves as good tool to bait the creationist. Someone will take the bait.

    PWINK will tell us something we see on the six oclock news everyday, about the moon. Also as predicted, the sun will rise today and set. Remarkable coverage.

    Cosmos later today will be baited by HPL or someone else to begin the daily exchange of crappy old links from both sides. Exactly the same story, different day we all love to hate.

    Bluejay will buzz in between any real opinions with negatives, put downs, and anything else to draw attention to himself.

    Libs will be bashing Bush in his last days.

    Cons will be bashing Obama in his first days.

    Libs will be bringing up Sarah Palin because they are fascinated by her.

    Ksfarmgirrl will be posting about anyone who doesn’t believe as she believes about gays.

    The same list of characters will post on the above same old repetitive themes with the same dusty thoughts.

    Other than that, everyone will have a great day when off the blogs.

  25. blogmonitor
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    Mayors against scary guns?

    The Mayor of Washington D.C. tried that once. Didn’t work out so well for him – or the taxpayers footing the legal bills.

    Scary guns: assault rifles, semi-auto’s…

    You know the ones you see on television, but real crooks rarely if ever use….

    Admittedly they look scary. Like the wicked witch.

  26. Mary_Caruso
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    “I also wondered that if this was so, shouldn’t some of that money be used to PAYBACK the taxpayers.”

    Yes, if she used taxpayer money to help support herself or her kids, she should and will have to pay back the state..as it should be. The one thing I find frustrating is that some of my clients have the delusion that they’ve earned their government allotments and the money is their’s to with as they wish. It’s the entitlement mentality that this country has enabled since “the great society”. I have no qualms at all about government taking care of the disabled, but some Medicaid recipients even refuse to pay their piddly little co pays..like $3 for a medication that costs taxpayers over $300 for a month’s supply. They often feel like they have no obligation to pay anything at all. Most of my clients don’t mind the copays..but the ones that do irk me a little.

  27. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    Just for BM. What appropriate initials.

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221×113189

  28. Political_mama
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    Sadly people are fired for being gay often. They usually “find” a way to make it happen. The movie Philadelphia shows just how nasty that process can be. What the movie didn’t show what the crowds that would had been outside of the courtroom supporting the bigots, the efforts of conservatives in the house and senate who would be working to protect bigots.

  29. CJM
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    MP:
    “Uh oh, creationism is disproven once again while the evidence for the irrefutable fact of evolution becomes even more undeniable.

    How Did Life Begin? RNA That Replicates Itself Indefinitely Developed For First Time”
    —————————————————–
    Actually, it is science that once again proves creationism to be correct. One need only read Genesis 1:20 “And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.” According to this, birds originated from the sea.
    Verse 24 states “And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.” This verse should be self-explanatory.
    This work was first published thousands of years ago; translated into numerous languages and read by people in nearly every nation around the world.

  30. fleettwood
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    I’m glad you people have places to go like democratunderground. They tell you what to think.

  31. CJM
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    PM:
    That’s is just not true. While there may still be isolated cases of being fired due to one’s sexual preference, in the overall scheme of life it is not that often. In fact, due to an effort to increase diversity, many employers are supporting homosexuals through the corporate sponsorship of employee networks.

    Sounds like you have a bone to pick due to a specific circumstance or are you just whining?

  32. george
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    I do like the show that the Dems are putting on for us over Burris.
    http://www.nypost.com/seven/01102009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/the_burris_circus_149459.htm

  33. CJM
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    George:
    It’s like watching a bunch of wild animals eating one of their own. Republicans can just sit back and watch this time. So much for the party of inclusion. First, Hillary is robbed of the nomination by using a little known loop-hole to hand-pick their candidate and now crucify Mr. Burris because of another politian’s improprieties, no doubt Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Burris are both very qualified people whether I ascribe to their political viewpoint or not.

  34. Pedant
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    Hey Mary, I caught the flying video you linked to yesterday. Way cool. Is that for real? I like the flying part a lot, but I have to admit that finding a way to land reasonably safely has me a bit concerned. ;)

    Cool video, though. (they used parachutes to land, fyi)

    Here’s a video that’s a bit tamer. Still pretty cool.

    http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1200921/mountain_walk_ii/

  35. JimJohnson
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    The UNFAIRNESS DOCTRINE, coming soon to a website near you!

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,478646,00.html

    Websites and especially blogs have become magnets for many of the country’s nearly 300 million registered Internet users who seek to read and publish news, views or just raunchy pictures that are off-limits to official media.

    But the stability-obsessed government is fighting back with a sophisticated network of controls that can shut off entire websites or just block individual pages within them, and a system to encourage self-censorship by major Internet companies.

    A shadowy troop of Internet police also patrols cyberspace, with avatars on many websites offering surfers a direct link to report pornographic, unpatriotic or otherwise offensive content.

    The government has not said how many “cybercops” it fields, but China’s Xinhua agency reported two years ago that they would monitor all major portals and online forums across the country. Human rights groups say they number in the thousands.

  36. Pedant
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    Better version at youtube:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM_SbAs5lxE

  37. cosmos_originally
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    blogmonitor posted January 10, 2009 at 9:12 am

    Cosmos later today will be baited by HPL or someone else to begin the daily exchange of crappy old links from both sides. Exactly the same story, different day we all love to hate.
    —————-

    Hank isn’t worth wasting time on. His hatred of carbon taxes, Al Gore, and socialism has made him irrational.

  38. XXX
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    I just saw pictures of the new aircraft carrier, USS George H W Bush. Man, that thing is awesome. 1,092 feet long, 20 stories high.
    Doesn’t quite match the USS Enterprise (1,123 feet).
    When I was stationed on the USS Tripoli, we passed the Enterprise in Subic Bay. It made us look like a toy boat.

  39. writerdog
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    OK the only thing I have to add is “Gee if Rush pays millions in taxes each year, imagine how little he would have to pay if he was not repaying all the welfare he received?” And I guess the question would be how would his tax rate be if not effected by him having received welfare? I would suspect that tax rates are not modeled on whether you have received public assistance or not.

  40. Heckler
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    ‘Atlas Shrugged’: From Fiction to Fact in 52 Years

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123146363567166677.html

  41. CJM
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    JimJohnson
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:11 am | Permalink
    The UNFAIRNESS DOCTRINE, coming soon to a website near you!

    —————————————————–
    Hey, Big Brother…

    We are being watched. Be very careful what you do and say. 1984 – George Orwell said this would happen.

  42. writerdog
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    And may the U.S.S. G. H. W. Bush has as distinguished serves as the U.S.S. Enterprise.

  43. Heckler
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    JJ

    Another reason to oppose Eric Holder for Attorney General. He likes the idea of internet censorship. just his cup of tea.

  44. JimJohnson
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    CJM
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:18 am | Permalink
    JimJohnson
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:11 am | Permalink
    The UNFAIRNESS DOCTRINE, coming soon to a website near you!

    —————————————————–
    Hey, Big Brother…

    We are being watched. Be very careful what you do and say. 1984 – George Orwell said this would happen.

    —————————————

    shhhhh……

    don’t mention the “O” word…..

  45. CJM
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    I meant Santa Claus is watching…

  46. JimJohnson
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    Say Heckler, great story posted above. From your link:

    “For the uninitiated, the moral of the story is simply this: Politicians invariably respond to crises — that in most cases they themselves created — by spawning new government programs, laws and regulations. These, in turn, generate more havoc and poverty, which inspires the politicians to create more programs . . . and the downward spiral repeats itself until the productive sectors of the economy collapse under the collective weight of taxes and other burdens imposed in the name of fairness, equality and do-goodism.”

  47. JimJohnson
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    Too funny! More from Hecklers link:

    “In the book, these relentless wealth redistributionists and their programs are disparaged as “the looters and their laws.” Every new act of government futility and stupidity carries with it a benevolent-sounding title. These include the “Anti-Greed Act” to redistribute income (sounds like Charlie Rangel’s promises soak-the-rich tax bill) and the “Equalization of Opportunity Act” to prevent people from starting more than one business (to give other people a chance). My personal favorite, the “Anti Dog-Eat-Dog Act,” aims to restrict cut-throat competition between firms and thus slow the wave of business bankruptcies. Why didn’t Hank Paulson think of that?

    These acts and edicts sound farcical, yes, but no more so than the actual events in Washington, circa 2008. We already have been served up the $700 billion “Emergency Economic Stabilization Act” and the “Auto Industry Financing and Restructuring Act.” Now that Barack Obama is in town, he will soon sign into law with great urgency the “American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan.” This latest Hail Mary pass will increase the federal budget (which has already expanded by $1.5 trillion in eight years under George Bush) by an additional $1 trillion — in roughly his first 100 days in office.”

  48. Pedant
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    XXX
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:15 am | Permalink
    I just saw pictures of the new aircraft carrier, USS George H W Bush.

    This is today’s entertainment, fyi. She’s due to be commissioned just north of me at Norfolk Naval Station. As you can imagine, this is a huge deal here.

    I always thought the factories at Boeing were huge, but I have to admit that seeing Northrup Grumman’s drydock and ship mfg facilities in Newport News is a real eye opener.

    Last spring I was on Virginia Beach when the USS George Washington (also Nimitz class) and others in the Kitty Hawk Battle Group departed NNS for Japan. I swear that carrier is the biggest damn thing I have ever seen in the water. The bridge must be at least 200ft above the water surface, probably more.

    Here’s some shots taken by Stars and Stripes at her arrival at Yokosuko Naval Base on Japan’s east coast.

    http://www.stripes.com/08/sep08/gwgallery/

  49. JimJohnson
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    Heckler
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:22 am | Permalink
    JJ

    Another reason to oppose Eric Holder for Attorney General. He likes the idea of internet censorship. just his cup of tea.
    ========================================

    Holder’s getting approved. If not, some other freedom-hating, gun-banning Lib will take his place.

    The Libs won. It’s their turn to f-u the planet.

  50. XXX
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    Pictures just don’t do justice. You really don’t grasp the size of some of these ships until you get right up close. They’re floating cities.

  51. Heckler
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    JJ

    “The Libs won. It’s their turn to f-u the planet.”

    Funny.

    Sad.

    I need to head to Sams and pick up another 50 pounds of beans. More rice as well.

  52. Regular
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    #
    XXX
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    Pictures just don’t do justice. You really don’t grasp the size of some of these ships until you get right up close. They’re floating cities.
    =====================
    Yeah, navy ships are huge. Never saw an aircraft carrier, but saw a Sub off the coast of Alabama and it was huge! Didn’t realize how huge Submarines were till I saw one up close.

  53. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    Think GWB will get his own boat? Clinton?

    If GHWB can get one, any so-called great leader can get one.

    USS Adolph Hitler?

  54. JimJohnson
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    I see the Moderator is censoring posts again.

    The UnFairness Doctrine, was it passed already?

  55. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    What about naming a ship for real hero’s?

    Audie Murphy?
    Ira Hayes?

    Nah, we’ll give them some stupid movie.

  56. JimJohnson
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    Clinton will get a submarine named after him, sortof.

    The USS Lewinsky. It will dive down at record speed.

  57. JimJohnson
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    New Law brought to you by the same folks who want Gay Marriage!

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,478924,00.html

    GAINESVILLE, Fla. — A blond girl heads from a playground into a women’s restroom. A scruffy man, lurking outside, darts in behind her. “Your City Commission Made This Legal,” the words on the TV screen read.

    The dark ad came from opponents of a gender identity provision added last year to the city’s anti-discrimination ordinance, which now allows the city’s roughly 100 transgender residents to use whichever restroom they’re most comfortable using.

  58. Regular
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    Ira Hayes I can see, would be a good name for a communications ship (electronic warfare.)

    Audie Murphy was in the U.S. army though. Not sure what the policy is on naming ships after other branch of services heroes.

    There are lots of medal of honor winners, some with more impressive records than Audie Murphy.

  59. HLP
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    Didn’t realize how huge Submarines were till I saw one up close.
    _________

    After a couple of months submerged they start getting a little smaller.

  60. JimJohnson
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:49 am | Permalink
    What about naming a ship for real hero’s?

    Audie Murphy?
    Ira Hayes?
    ————————–

    Most here will have to Google those names to know who you are even talking about.

    And if these guys were alive today acted the same way today that they did then, they’d be arrested and tried for War Crimes.

    Think of Sargent York. He’d be in jail for killing so many of the enemy. He just shot-em all down in cold blood!

  61. JimJohnson
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    HLP
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:56 am | Permalink
    Didn’t realize how huge Submarines were till I saw one up close.
    _________

    After a couple of months submerged they start getting a little smaller.
    ———————————————

    Shrinkage.

  62. Regular
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    #
    HLP
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    Didn’t realize how huge Submarines were till I saw one up close.
    _________

    After a couple of months submerged they start getting a little smaller.
    =====================
    Heh, I bet.

    The only sub I’ve ever been in was the one in Chicago – the captured German Sub. It was very small – bumped my head about a dozen times in there. :(

  63. XXX
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    Regular
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    Ira Hayes I can see, would be a good name for a communications ship (electronic warfare.)
    __________________________________________________

    Ira Hayes was a tragic figure. Not the usual success story that we name ships after. He battled alcoholism most of his life and was found dead in a pool of his own puke and blood. Sorry end for a man who truly was a hero.

  64. HLP
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    The USS Batfish SS310 is located in Muskogee, OK. If you get a chance that’s a good way to while away a little time.

    Really small! The Batfish has a lot of the equipment removed so it actually looks a little roomier than it was.

    My first boat was the USS Redfish SS395, same class as the SS 310 Batfish.

    http://www.ussbatfish.com/

    I retired in 1986 off the USS Batfish SSN 681.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Batfish_(SSN-681)

  65. XXX
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    Six members of a group of Somali pirates who hijacked and later released a Saudi-owned oil tanker are reported to have drowned along with their share of a $3m ransom.
    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2009/01/2009110135348285872.html
    ___________________________________________________

    Karma strikes again.

  66. BlueJay
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    They should have named a garbage scow after bush sr.

    bush jr shouldn’t even get a paddleboat named after him.

  67. XXX
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    They should have named a garbage scow after bush sr.
    __________________________________________________

    LOL! That would probably be redundant. Didn’t they name a sewage treatment plant after George Jr? Quite a comparison. Daddy gets an aircraft carrier; Junior gets a sewage treatment plant.

    You just can’t make this stuff up.

  68. BlueJay
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    If they ever DO build the USS george w. bush, it should be a submarine with screen doors and scuttled on launch.

  69. Regular
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    #
    HLP
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    The USS Batfish SS310 is located in Muskogee, OK. If you get a chance that’s a good way to while away a little time.

    Really small! The Batfish has a lot of the equipment removed so it actually looks a little roomier than it was.

    My first boat was the USS Redfish SS395, same class as the SS 310 Batfish.

    http://www.ussbatfish.com/

    I retired in 1986 off the USS Batfish SSN 681.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Batfish_(SSN-681)
    ——————-
    Muskogee eh? That might be worth a drive down there – do some fishing while I’m there. :)

  70. cosmos_originally
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    AGW deniers,

    Ignore this, and continue with your irrational hatred of carbon taxes, Al Gore, and socialism.

    Croplands May Wither as Global Warming Worsens
    http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=croplands-may-wither-as-global-warming-worsens

  71. JimJohnson
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    Brought to you buy Cosmos, the Socialist.

  72. CJM
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    “cosmos_originally
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:34 am”
    ____________________________________________________________ If he were the King of the world, wouldn’t life be so much better?

    “Back In The USSR” comos’ anthem.

  73. cosmos_originally
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    JimJohnson and CJM,

    Thank you very much for proving my 11:34 am point.

  74. writerdog
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    To the contrary George H. W. Bush may have had a lack luster Presidency until the Gulf war. But he was to be the last of the greatest Generation to hold the office of President. He has a noteworthy service record and in my opinion he among others does have a cause to have a Ship named after him. Putting aside it in all likelihood is due to his son being President. Him have a U.S.N. ship named after him is not an insult to my sensibilities.

  75. CapnAmerica
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    The George W. Bush Presidency:

    War in Iraq . . . 4,200 American lives and 2 billion a week

    The Economy . . . unemployment at 7.5 percent and worsening

    The Stock Market . . . lower today than 8 years ago

    The National Debt . . . at an all-time post-war high

    Wealth Inequality . . . as high as 1929

    11 days until WorstPresidentEver gets kicked out of Al Gore’s House . . . priceless

  76. donndublin
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    I think the libs would rather it be named the USS Saul Alinski.

  77. CapnAmerica
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    Na Na Na Nah
    Na Na Na Nah

    Hey, hey . . .

    GOOD BYE!

  78. CapnAmerica
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    DonnDumbass

    Saul Alinsky would never want a big government boondoogle (i.e., 90 percent of military spending) to be named after him.

  79. CJM
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    Cos,
    I think that your posts are funny. However they are lacking in imagination. Your repetitiveness reminds me of Chicken Little… Obviously, you have an opinion, the constant reposting of quotes however, do not prove anything new. This global warming effect would be in process with or without the existence of human life. So, do the best that you can and be assured that you are not alone in the effort to sustain the earth. Just learn to express your own opinion rather than relying solely on the opinions of others. Those opinions that you reference may have some validity but, what do you think and why do you think it?
    I can research the web and find quotes to support an opinion that is in complete opposition to those that you have posted, anyone can. Opinions are like … well, you know. But the question still begs to be answered: do you have an independent thought on the subject that you seem to be so passionate about or are you simply a “Polly Anna” that basis their opinion on what others think?
    Oh, and by the way, this is still a free country, at least until 01/20/2009. And yes, I am extremely opposed to socialism. I grew up in the North-end of Wichita, living in a 4 room apartment with my father, mother, and brother from the age of 5 until I was 12. I know what it is like to be poor. Through hard work and perseverance, my wife, son, and I live in a home that has more bedrooms than my childhood home had rooms. Socialism? I don’t need the government to be my babysitter or provide me with handouts. Today, just like the day that my great-great-grandfather and my great-grandfather came to this country from Europe, all I need is an opportunity. Seize the day…life is what you make it.

  80. CJM
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    Oh yea, Cos…might want to stay in today, it’s awfully cold outside.

  81. American_Way
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    “Ira Hayes?”

    I think Ira Hayes was a hero, as were each and every of the sailors and Marines on Iwo Jima.

    However, I think he would NOT want his name attached to any ship, or anything else for that matter.

    XXX, I spent time on the Tripoli and the New Orleans (same class ship), as well as a couple others in the gator navy. Became a Golden Shelback on the LSG 1189 (I think) San Bernadino.
    Got stuck on equator watch for a shift. On the Tripoli, I got to dish it out to the pollywogs a couple years later. Brought the pollywogs up to the flight deck on the elevator. All on their kneeds trousers on insideout and backwards. Salt water fire hoses holding them down and the raw eggs which had been baking in the equotorial sun felt good in our hands as we threw them down upon our victims rising up to our level.

    Haaa. Those were the days!

  82. CapnAmerica
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Oh yea, Cos…might want to stay in today, it’s awfully cold outside.

    Especially after yesterday when we were only a few degrees off the record high of 69 degrees . . .

  83. American_Way
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    “11 days until WorstPresidentEver gets kicked”

    Yes, and I’m sure glad to see the worst congress ever leave office. Can’t wait to see how the new democrats super majority performs as well as the One.

    tick,tock tick,tock.

  84. CapnAmerica
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    Through hard work and perseverance, my wife, son, and I live in a home that has more bedrooms than my childhood home had rooms.

    Really, CJM. Society had nothing to do with it?

    You did it all . . . yourself.

    You didn’t go to any public school or college that was funded by the taxpayer?

    Your life and your job isn’t aided in any way by a vast public road system and police and fire protection?

    Your field of work doesn’t benefit from a thriving gov’t sector that no matter how bad the economy provides stable “crash-proof” jobs?

    I didn’t know that people from the planet Krypton live in North-East Wichita . . .

  85. CJM
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Cos,
    “Thank you very much for proving my 11:34 am point.”

    What was “your” point? All I saw posted there was a hyperlink to someone else’s point. Unless you are David Biello.

  86. CapnAmerica
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    AmWay–

    Unfortunately, the Congress of the US is not “supermajority” Democratic.

    That would require 60 D Senators.

    But suffice it to say, it’s going to be a helluva lot better than what we had under HisFraudulancy the Second.

    It couldn’t be any worse.

  87. cosmos_originally
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    CJM posted January 10, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    This global warming effect would be in process with or without the existence of human life.
    ————–

    Does your irrational hatred of socialism prevent you from understanding climate science? Or is it some other factor(s)?

    CJM posted: I can research the web and find quotes to support an opinion that is in complete opposition to those that you have posted, anyone can.
    ————–

    You might find “quotes”, but you cannot find the science to support those “quotes”.

  88. Pedant
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    CapnAmerica
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    What most of these people fail to either acknowledge or appreciate is the vast amount of wealth realized by Americans that’s due indirectly to public research.

    Whether it’s better health (e.g., Big Pharma pays next to nothing for the research done by public universities like Kansas University), better lifestyles (e.g., Silicon Valley pays next to nothing for the research done by public universities like Cal…and Kansas University), or more personal income (e.g., engineers are trained at Kansas State University in exchange for nothing even close to the real cost for tuition), it all adds up to more American wealth due in very large part to the efforts of “socialists” like our public universities.

    Anybody care to venture a guess on the ROI enjoyed by US taxpayers in the aggregate on “socialistic” programs like university-level research?

    Ingrates. And idiots.

  89. CapnAmerica
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    Also, CJM–

    If all you need is “hard work and perseverance” to be a success, then why were your parents such abysmal failures?

    Genetics?

  90. thomaswitt
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    Pedant,

    It’s all about socializing the costs and privatizing the profits. Classic fascism.

  91. CapnAmerica
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Good observations, Pedant.

    These apostles of the Church of the Holy Marketplace are too ignorant of what you speak to even have an opinion about it.

    They’ve got their pitifully small of the American dream and as long as there are people in the trailer park that they can look down upon, they believe themselves to be commanders of the universe.

  92. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    AmWay,

    I’m sure you’re absolutely right about Ira Hayes not wanting his name on a boat.

    And Ron Reagan was in the Army, yet has a carrier named for him.

  93. Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    So, CJM — What year did you graduate from North High??

  94. Pedant
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    All Americans, including most of those whose contribution to the national economy is more labor intensive than capital intensive, have reaped enormous dollar benefit from the gains in productivity due directly to the practical applications of findings in computer science since 1960.

    In turn computer science owes a debt to efforts in primary research done by mathematicians in the latter half of the 20th century.

    Primary research, administered to by government and funded by taxpayers.

    Socialism my ass.

  95. CapnAmerica
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Wow, it suddenly got very quiet from the members of the Church of the Holy Marketplace.

    I’d really like to know why, if all one needs is “hard work and perseverance,” the richest people on the planet aren’t the Amish.

  96. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    And yeah, we’ve been heading towards full fledged Socialism for a hundred years. You’re “enlightenment” on the socialism in our universities is not very illuminating at all.

    I’d suggest you “Intelligentsia”-types read up on The Fabian Society and Fabian Socialism in general.

    But again, did Mao, Stalin or Lenin live in the same ordinary squalor as the rest of the people? Or did they live on opulent estates or in grand palaces?

    Socialism will never work. I know some of you swear by its virtues, but someone will always get to be more equal. Always.

    Prove me wrong. Please, prove me wrong. If you can, I may just change my mind and extol these vitues of yours to everyone I meet. I’ll champion them until my death.

    I’ll wait, take your time.

  97. Regular
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    Good Afternoon Capn,

    Are you connected to this blog via a communications provider and a blog ran by a privately owned newspaper?

    Shame on you for partaking in a ‘free enterprise’ system.

    Shouldn’t you be out doing collective farming or something, digging up rutabagas?

  98. lindainks55
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    “The Bible tells me so”

    If there’s one thing that most strikingly distinguishes conservatives – one large faction of them, at least – from progressives and liberals, it’s their urge to root both science and social policy in the authority of Holy Scripture. And here, more than anywhere else, we see present efforts that should be discredited by a long string of historic failures. No one today, for instance, even in the deepest depths of the Christian right, doubts that there are people living in Australia. And yet Christians of earlier times called it “senseless folly,” not to mention heresy, to suppose that anyone could live with their feet above their heads on the other side of the earth, or even that it had another side. The Bible, after all, was quite clear on this, speaking in several places of “the four corners of the earth” with the heavens stretched above “as a curtain.”

    Confronted with such passages, today’s so-called biblical literalists explain that they’re just poetic images and not to be taken literally. But that would have been news to the people who wrote them down, as well as to the Bible’s most careful and pious interpreters in earlier ages. Leading scholars and “Church Fathers” like St. Augustine were just as certain that the Bible ruled out the existence of Australia as today’s conservative Christians are certain that it rules out evolution. And the consequences of thinking otherwise, they believed, were just as dire; to imagine that people inhabit another hemisphere would do as much moral and spiritual harm as imagining them related to apes. For how, then, could the Gospel be preached “to the ends of the world,” as God demanded? Doubting the plain meaning of Scripture on one point means doubting it on everything, right? And this amounts to abandoning God.

    Of course, it wasn’t God who was abandoned but rather those baffling interpretations. Therefore they don’t bother to explain how the Bible’s most attentive readers could misunderstand it so badly for so long. Nor do they explain why we should suppose that contemporary creationists and other alleged literalists are any smarter than St. Augustine and his fellow authorities, any better than they were at using the Bible to do science. Nor, further, are conservatives able to account for the many social and moral truths that were crystal-clear from the Bible, until they weren’t: that slavery is good in God’s eyes, that blacks and whites mustn’t marry, that Jews should be rounded up and deported (or worse).

    Thankfully, these old orthodoxies have also gone the way of the flat earth. Apart from some fringe groups, conservatives themselves have given them up; they no longer hold that Christian devotion requires believing that God blessed the ancestors of some races but cursed others, or that biblical prophecy proved the world would end by 1844, or that epidemics are collective punishment for a people’s sins. (Well, that one’s had a modern revival.) Giving up those beliefs, however, can mean only one of two things: Either the Bible has been wrong on some points, or these were never truly among the Bible’ teachings.

    http://conservativesarealwayswrong.googlepages.com/

  99. CapnAmerica
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    We already have a form of socialism right now, Pleefer.

    It’s called “welfare for the rich.” See David Cay Johnston’s book Free Lunch.

    In it, he describes how both the President and the Vice President made their fortunes from manipulating public wealth for their own benefit.

    The kind of “mixed economy” we have in the US now, Pleefer, makes it impossible for anybody to “do it on their own” because every aspect of the economy is intertwined with every other aspect of the economy.

  100. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    The Amish aren’t looking for a dollar, you know that, silly goose.

    Their riches await them in the afterlife. Who can blame them anyway? They’ve known for a long time, how big of pieces of siht we ALL are. At least they are polite enough not to tell us so.

  101. thomaswitt
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    “we’ve been heading towards full fledged Socialism for a hundred years.”

    In 1909:

    - Women did not have the right to vote.
    - Blacks did not have the right to own property in many places
    - Asians were routinely evicted from entire towns, and in one case, from an entire state
    - Child-labor in the factories was still common
    - Most Americans did not have electricity, and many didn’t have running water or other indoor plumbing
    - Death was a natural and frequent hazard in many industries
    - Most people in this country lived in conditions that we would now consider abject, grinding poverty.

    I could go on, but…

    Whatever it is that we’ve been doing for the past 100 years, call it what you will, seems to have worked out fairly well.

    No?

  102. CapnAmerica
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    Pleef–

    You’re changing your argument. You CHMP’s (Church of the Holy Marketplace believers) claim that hard work and perseverance is all that is necessary for wealth and success.

    Now you claim that this is not enough.

    So which is it?

  103. BlueJay
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    “Are you connected to this blog via a communications provider and a blog ran by a privately owned newspaper?”

    I’m connected to an internet that was built by the government and is now used by greedy ISPs to make money. The internet of all things SHOULD be free.

    In the information age, we finally have the resource to better allocate resources for the greater good of the many as opposed to the super
    wealth of the few.

  104. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    You’ll get no argument from me Cap’n. I’m saying that it’s on both sides of the aisle. And there is zero seperation between government and BIG business now and for the last 60 years. It’s just taken this run away freight train to get to this point before everyone feels it. Not just the black man or Original American.

    Actually then, Mussolini said that a more correct name for fascism was Corporatism…hmm.

  105. CJM
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    CapnAmerica, in reponse to your posting of January 10, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and suppose that you are really not that dense.

    You know what I mean, we see it, and we hear it every day. “It’s not my fault…” and “If only…”

    As I hope you believe, we all have numerous opportunities to excel in life and we have opportunities to not. I am often reminded of a speech given by Vince Lombardi in which he opened with the statement that “winning is a habit but, unfortunately, so is losing.” My point is that as a citizen of the U.S.A. we have the opportunity to win in life but as sad as it is, many seem to choose to lose by expecting someone else to “do it” for them. I have worked hard to get where I am. I have taken full advantage of every opportunity that I have been able to find for advancement. I do not think that it is fair or reasonable for anyone to expect that anything will be given to them simply because they show up. And finally, all of those things that you have listed in your post, I have been in the workforce form many years as was my father and mother, we have all paid our taxes and contributed to the common good to be afforded those things. I pay my fair share and thereby deserve the conveniences that I am currently afforded. As for my job: do you really think that there is anything that is “crash-proof”? In the last few months in my industry, a few thousand people have joined the ranks of the unemployed and it is expected that before the end of this year there will be several thousand more that will join them. There is nothing “crash-proof.” As far as being from Krypton, you may want to explore the lives around you, there are many people in this city that have and still are accomplishing “Super-Human” feats of success.
    The essence of my disagreement with belonging to a Socialist society is simply defined in their basic tenet: “what’s mine is yours and what is yours is mine” whether or not you or I have done anything to earn it. Is that the way you want to live Capn? If so, then you should honestly consider changing your screen identity to a more suitable name.

  106. CapnAmerica
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    BTW, we on the Left whom you CHiMPs (Church of the Holy Incarnate Market Place) love to call “socialists” want nothing to do with a planned economy solely owned by the government a la Soviet-style Leninism.

    That’s a proven failure.

    But so is unregulated capitalism — why do you think they’re called “robber barons”?

  107. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    And Blue Jay, you’re abso-fugging-lutely right OUR internets should be free of charge and free from any and all regulation.

    I’m awaiting the time when Internet2 comes massively online and we’re regulated like crazy and the free side of things is gone. A time when any non-sanctioned web site costs an arm and a leg to “subscribe” to.

    Good times.

  108. Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    “But again, did Mao, Stalin or Lenin live in the same ordinary squalor as the rest of the people? Or did they live on opulent estates or in grand palaces?” [pleefer]

    Nice try at your fallacy… Please note that Mao, Lenin, and Stalin, were running Totalitarian, Communistic nations… NOT Socialist states (in spite of USSR name) —

    Communism is NOT the same as Socialism…

  109. CapnAmerica
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for finally responding, CJM.

    You say this: “I have worked hard to get where I am. I have taken full advantage of every opportunity that I have been able to find for advancement.” (which is just a re-statement of what you said before . . .)

    Are you then saying that your parents didn’t work hard and didn’t take advantage of every opportunity and that’s why they were failures?

  110. BlueJay
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    ” I have taken full advantage of every opportunity that I have been able to find for advancement.”

    Well, you see dear, many are not blessed with that particularly unfortunate survival skill of playing the game that has availed you so well.

  111. CapnAmerica
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    Gotta go, be back later.

    Ciao.

  112. donndublin
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    #
    CapnAmerica
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    DonnDumbass

    Saul Alinsky would never want a big government boondoogle (i.e., 90 percent of military spending) to be named after him.
    ______________________________________

    I thought communists of the Soviet persuasion directed a majority of their revenue on “big government military spending”. Too bad their socialist ideas failed under competition against a more free market economy.

    It would be the first aircraft carrier named after a Soviet communist.

  113. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Ministry of Truth Newspeak = “Soviet-style Leninism”.

    What a beautiful future.

  114. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Recap, your future-history (my own newspeak):

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four

  115. CJM
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    CapnAmerica
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 12:56 pm | Permalink
    Also, CJM–

    If all you need is “hard work and perseverance” to be a success, then why were your parents such abysmal failures?

    Genetics?
    —————————————————-
    My parents quit school to help support their families, it was due to a little hiccup in the economy called “the Great Depression.” Though we didn’t have much when I was growing up, my parents both worked very hard to make sure that my brother and I had everything that we needed and sometimes, we even had things that we wanted. It was an experience that I would not trade for anything because that is the biggest contributor to my success. My parents taught me the value of hard work and a dollar.
    Also, Capn, by making an assertion like that about my parents, you have really exposed yourself as judgemental, hateful, and ignorant. It must be awful to suffer from chronic “headupbuttitis.”
    I would never speak of anyone’s parents in that way, even if I knew it were true.

  116. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Communism is NOT the same as Socialism – Genius

    Like they say, “the road to Hell is paved with good intentions”.

    Someone will ALWAYS be MORE EQUAL. And they will be the ones who dole out the equal servings.

  117. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    Goddam, you all are some naive little children. If socialism worked, it would be working NOW. People over history would be applying it RIGHT NOW. And we would be looking to them as the pinnacles of fugging freedom.

  118. CJM
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay:
    “Well, you see dear, many are not blessed with that particularly unfortunate survival skill of playing the game that has availed you so well.”
    I have never been one to sit around and be content with the status quo, nor have I ever developed the habit of going to the mailbox for my check unless I earned that opportunity. I am a firm beleiver in “anything worth having is worth working for” there is no such thing as a free lunch.

  119. thomaswitt
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Pleefer,

    Did you not understand my compare/contrast post for 1909/2009? You say we’ve been socialist for 100 years, yet you don’t refute the progress we’ve MADE in that 100 years.

    And, do you kiss Jesus with that mouth? Or perhaps your mother?

  120. Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:17 pm | Permalink
    The Amish aren’t looking for a dollar, you know that, silly goose.
    =============================================

    I dont see where anybody mentioned the Amish?? Please show this??

  121. XXX
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    XXX, I spent time on the Tripoli and the New Orleans (same class ship), as well as a couple others in the gator navy. Became a Golden Shelback on the LSG 1189 (I think) San Bernadino.
    __________________________________________________

    Ha! Small world, huh? I did the Shellback thing on the Tripoli. The only other ship I did any length of time on was the USS Washnaw County. Several short trips on subs for insertions and pickups and a little time with the brown water navy.

  122. BlueJay
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    I guess it just depends on your expectations.

    When I visited San Diego, I was aboard some Navy ship or other on a tour. I was struck by how small it was vs what I had expected. I had the same experience aboard the harbor cruiser “Invader” when I saw the Exxon Valdez. THE Darth Vader of the ocean? It seemed smaller than I expected too.

  123. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    The only communism could work is on a small, individual basis. A commune (that word has a strong and unpleasant stigma attached to it) is a great example. The “Gulcher’s” that Ayn Rand talked about would be great and I would join along side that.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulching

    When and where do we start?

  124. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    CapnAmerica
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:06 pm | Permalink
    Wow, it suddenly got very quiet from the members of the Church of the Holy Marketplace.

    I’d really like to know why, if all one needs is “hard work and perseverance,” the richest people on the planet aren’t the Amish.

  125. XXX
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    And Blue Jay, you’re abso-fugging-lutely right OUR internets should be free of charge and free from any and all regulation.
    ___________________________________________________

    Believe it or not, there’s a lot of infrastructure involved and lots of people that keep the wheels turning. Who pays for the equipment and people’s salary to keep the whole darn thing running?

    How you do that free of charge?

  126. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    http://gulcherslife.blogspot.com/

  127. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Big Brother will provide.

  128. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    The internet should be treated as any other government ran library. And completely un regulated and uncensored.

  129. CJM
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    cosmos_originally
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 12:49 pm | Permalink
    “You might find “quotes”, but you cannot find the science to support those “quotes”.”
    ————————————————————————————————– Ok, to satify the argument – here is just one of many “Peer-Reviewed” papers on the non-existence of AWG.

    As stated in the summary: “We have tested the proposition that greenhouse model simulations and trend observations can be reconciled. Our conclusion is that the present evidence, with the application of a robust statistical test, supports rejection of this proposition.’

    http://icecap.us/images/uploads/DOUGLASPAPER.pdf

  130. CJM
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    Pleefer ;
    I’d really like to know why, if all one needs is “hard work and perseverance,” the richest people on the planet aren’t the Amish.’

    The Amish are much wealthier that you know or could even comprehend. You will never see them in the uneployment line, asking for a bailout, or taking part in any government subsidies. I admire those peeps. They know what real wealth is. They understand the value of inner peace.

  131. Posted January 10, 2009 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Thanks Pleefer… I had not seen that…

    If you talk to the Amish folks, they believe they are among the richest people on the planet… They own their own land… they pay no utilities… They grow their own energy for their “tractors”(read horses)… They provide for all of their own basic needs, as families and as communities… They also arent out prospecting for “new members” LOL

  132. XXX
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    #
    Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Big Brother will provide.
    __________________________________________________

    Um, that would be taxpayers.
    Us.
    Still means you pay.

  133. XXX
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    #
    Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    The internet should be treated as any other government ran library. And completely un regulated and uncensored.
    __________________________________________________

    No government owns the internet. They can only regulate it somewhat.
    Completely un regulated and uncensored?

    What about kiddie porn? Snuff flicks?

  134. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    CJM, I’m not saying anything against the Amish, don’t imply that. I’m just repeating what was said upthread.

    I envy the Amish people.

    XXX, what about kiddie porn and snuff films? Those freaks will get their messed up fixes any way they can. It’s up to the parents to “censor” the web, not anyone else. You can’t regulate child rape or murder anymore than it already is.

  135. cosmos_originally
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    CJM posted January 10, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    cosmos_originally
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 12:49 pm | Permalink
    “You might find “quotes”, but you cannot find the science to support those “quotes”.”
    ————————————————————————————————–
    Ok, to satify the argument – here is just one of many “Peer-Reviewed” papers on the non-existence of AWG.
    ——————————————-

    “Papers” do not = “science” until other scientists have retested and replicated the results.

    And the AGW theory is based on much more than some noisy tropical troposphere data.

  136. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    That video of the cop in Oakland is an unregulated snuff film, is it not?

  137. HLP
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Here, here, CJM!

    I always find it amusing when friends of ours ‘back east’ or ‘out west’ look down their noses at us for living in ‘where-the-hell-am-I’ Kansas.

    But I love this state. Could I be making more money somewhere else? Probably, but at what cost? I live in a little neighborhood in the country, best of both worlds. I wouldn’t trade my lifestyle for the lifestyle of anyone else I know.

    We have good friends that use to live in Denver. They spent a week at our house in podunk, KS and now they live near Peabody, KS. We have friends in Georgetown, MA. They can vacation anywhere in the world but they manage to find time to stay with us on our ‘lake’ for a week or two every year.

    My normal everyday life is like a vacation for someone that lives and works in Boston!

    Amish? There used to be a Bed and Breakfast a mile east of Yoder. Joyce and I would spend a weekend there once or twice a year. I’d get up early and help the kids with their chores. No TV, no radio, no phone, no internet, heaven on earth!

  138. CJM
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Cos, How about this, we agree to disagree and move on. I will never convince you of anything because you are not open to new thought and I am not as smart as you.

    Feel better about yourself now?

  139. CJM
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    Adiós amigos…

  140. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Tax payers eh? Tell me something I don’t know.

    I’m saying that we shouldn’t have to pay a “provider” for the service on top of our taxes. We’re taxed more than enough to pay for the internet. Get rid of some of the pork programs and we could supply ourselves with everything we need. But alas, our income tax does nothing but pay the interest owed to The Fed for printing our worthless Frederal Reserve Notes. So until we turn our military around and attack the real enemies and eliminate the Fed and the IRS, we’ll be throwing “good” money for bad.

  141. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    I love quiet, country living. The only problem is that there are still too many people here to ruin it.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20070929000638/http://www.libertymls.com/gulch/intro.html

  142. XXX
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    XXX, what about kiddie porn and snuff films? Those freaks will get their messed up fixes any way they can.
    _________________________________________________

    Pleefer, that’s like saying that illegal drugs shouldn’t be regulated because drug users are going to get them anyway.

    Uh, wait a minute…Maybe that’s not a good example.

    Let me go think about that a little more, LOL!

  143. XXX
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Tax payers eh? Tell me something I don’t know.

    I’m saying that we shouldn’t have to pay a “provider” for the service on top of our taxes.
    _________________________________________________

    What about phone service? TV?

  144. American_Way
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    “It couldn’t be any worse.”

    Well CapnAmerica, I really pray and hope you are right about that last comment. Can we all at least agree with that?

    And not to give up a comeback – of course the ONE will look like savior no matter what he does, if things improve. He will get the glory, regardless.
    The blame will easily fall on the previous Demcoratic congress which voted for everything George Bush ever asked for.

    It’s a win-win for democrats. And as I near my happy golden years, with lots of individual shares of securities, with half value – I am praying for the success of the ONE for my last roller coaster ride. Pump up those markets baby!@

  145. American_Way
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    LSG=LST Landing Ship Tank (I think)

  146. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    I believe that phone service belongs in the internet realm as well. They are of course our airwaves. Buying the phone and buying the computer…that’s your problem, but the service and maintenance is all of ours. I’d be happy with that.

    TV?

    Television should be outlawed! Heh heh.

    And the only drugs that should be “regulated” are those that really screw people’s lives up…those of the pharmacy.

    Eli Lilley, Bayer…all of them, are the really despicable drug dealers (and the meth makers too).

    Bob the pot farmer?? He’s a good guy.

  147. thomaswitt
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    Methinks Pleefer has been partaking of faaaar too much of Bob the Farmer’s wares.

    Waaaaay too much.

  148. HLP
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    Outlaw TV??!!

    hehehe

    Hephner’s just delivered my new LG 50″ Plasma TV 20 minutes ago. Just in time for football!

  149. Posted January 10, 2009 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Interactive Shoe Game >>>>

    http://www.aksalser.com/game.htm

  150. Posted January 10, 2009 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    Cellulosic Ethanol >>>>

    http://www.harvestcleanenergy.org/enews/enews_0505/enews_0505_Cellulosic_Ethanol.htm

  151. RickSmith
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    4.1 million new Jobs, sounds nice. to bad 5.5 million new workers, from south of our borders, are going to fill them.

  152. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    thomastwit,

    I just know who the bad guys are.

    You know nothing about me.

    And yeah, I just went up and checked out what you wrote. I didn’t see it before.

    Yes, we’ve come a long way. And I didn’t say we’ve been socialist, I said we’ve been heading that direction for 100 years (you need to get your facts straight).

    All that you listed has just been moved to other countries, if it isn’t going on here now. We export our horror to other countries and live on the fruits of their labors.

    So when we export “freedom” to other countries, what we actually do is bring them to a level “as equal” as we are?

    Don’t try and equate individual creativity to the virtues of a warm, loving, socialist utopia.

  153. BlueJay
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Phone service and TV I think will eventually be part of a hybrid computer/entertainment…thing.

    Phone service never should have been private in the first place. We have a hundred and more years of reasons why that was a bad idea. The Government finally broke up Bell and that helped.

    In this day and age, if you don’t have access to the internet you are not really part of civilization or culture. I believe it SHOULD be a government provided and free service.

  154. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    Because living in such a perfect utopia would eliminate need and therefore eliminate the need for advancement.

    The mantra for inventor’s: “See a need, fill it”.

  155. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

    Well, like XXX stated, if it’s government, by (old)American definition, it’s us. Nothing is free. But I truly believe the internet and all communications for that matter, should be a tax paid service (and if we have to eliminate the bogus crap that our politico’s throw in in order to pay for it, good). We’ll start by cutting thier pay and instituting term limits.

    You can upgrade to a private service provider if you like, but the fundamentals were funded by us to DARPA and rightfully belong to us. Otherwise, get rid of the …no, no get rid of the FCC anyway. There’s the funding, right there!

  156. RickSmith
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    here is a tip, if you need a car, just wait 3 more months, with all the Repo Cars, you will be able to drive a late modle 2006-2008 car, for half of the blue book price, and if you are a lucky one working, houseing market is full of repo houses, rates will drop down to 4,7, by mid summer, so if you have good credit, save 3% cash for down payment, this is the USA, through the pain of others, their are good deals to be had. just be smart in what you buy,if your job get shaky, you wont want to see yourself, on the bottom end, of the food change.

  157. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Rick Smith, fugging vampire at large.

    Here’s some advice for those that are losing their homes to foreclosure…dismantle that place. Disassemble it.

    Make those vampires, leeches and ambulance chasers have a lot of work and expense to pay for.

  158. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    Gut the place.

  159. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    You’ll get war, it’s people like you who have destroyed this country.

  160. BlueJay
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    Every once in awhile….

    I like the way you think Pleef.

  161. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    Thanks man, you too.

    I don’t want to be enemy’s with anyone of my countrymen, left or right…it’s the system. The bankster’s and the way they want us to all to be Madoff is a great example).

    I ain’t like that.

  162. Nathaniel
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    Pleefer,

    What a shining example of maturity you are. What are you, 8 years old?

  163. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    9

  164. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    Standing up for and allowing to feed on someone’s misery and heartache?

    That’s pretty “mature” and “grown-up” like and very fugging evil for a “Christian”.

  165. Pleefer
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    I mean…now that i think of it. Maybe I am a “Lib”, cause isn’t that what Rush Limbaugh says that they do, “they think with their “feelings”?

    I can’t judge you dude. But the mentality is askew.

  166. Nathaniel
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    Pleefer,

    I must have missed where I was standing up for and allowing to feed on someone’s misery and heartache.

    Even so, it doesn’t change the fact that what you are calling for people to do to their homes before they are removed from them is wrong.

  167. cosmos_originally
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    Nathaniel,

    Have you and your father found any real science that refutes the AGW theory yet? Nope. . .

  168. Nathaniel
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    Cosmos,

    Have you fund any real science which proves AGW yet? Nope…

  169. Regular
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    cosmos_originally
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    Nathaniel,

    Have you and your father found any real science that refutes the AGW theory yet? Nope.
    ================
    Easterbrook pretty much kicked the doors down on the AGW shack of politically driven science.

  170. cosmos_originally
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    Nathaniel posted January 10, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    Cosmos,

    Have you fund any real science which proves AGW yet? Nope…
    ——————
    Nathaniel, don’t you even know that science provides theories, not proof? You’re pathetic.

    The scientific AGW theory is very solid. You AGW deniers cannot refute it.

  171. Monkeyhawk
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    “Dinner at Eight” is fixin’ to start on Turner Classic Movies.

    It’s a star-studded comedy — John and Lionel Barrymore, Marie Dressler, Jean Harlow, Billie Burke….

    It’s a comedy… about and of the first Great Depression.

    Certainly more amusing for the next couple of hours than WE Blog.

  172. BlueJay
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    “calling for people to do to their homes before they are removed from them is wrong.”

    So is kicking people out of their home wrong. Trashing the place is an opportunity for the owner to remodel! Material are sold for repairs and someone may be employed to make them. Hello economic stimulus!

  173. Regular
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    Media Advisory

    Date: January 9, 2009
    Contact: Dale Goter, Communications Team

    Members of the Wichita City Council are scheduled to attend the 2009 Wichita Area Sister Cities Annual Meeting at The Old Cowtown Museum Visitors Center, 1865 W. Museum, beginning at 6:30 p.m. Friday, Nov. 9.

  174. cosmos_originally
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    Guess they can’t use short notice as an excuse not to be there?

    . . . Center, 1865 W. Museum, beginning at 6:30 p.m. Friday, Nov. 9.

  175. XXX
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    Trashing a house that’s been foreclosed is just wrong. That would make you not only a deadbeat; it would make you a vandal as well.

    Where do some of you people get your principals?

  176. XXX
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Phone service and TV I think will eventually be part of a hybrid computer/entertainment…thing.
    ___________________________________________________

    The bandwidth isn’t there to support that.

  177. BlueJay
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    Hey I don’t know how it must feel to have your house taken away from you. Pretty bad I would guess.

    I DID have some experience with a landlord who would not give my my security deposit back. I left that place a lot better than I found it. While there, I had fixed things. I cleaned it so you could eat off the floor. But they did not want to give me my deposit back.

    But I kept a key. Heh. I bet it took them a month to clean the place up. I’ve not been a renter in a while but I gather they REALLY do not like to give that deposit back.

    The way we do housing in this country is ALSO stupid. It is ridiculous that people must devote the balance of their lives to paying for a place to live. How much more could that money stimulate the economy instead of some landlord or holding company or conglomerate bank?

  178. BlueJay
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    Well, I don’t know a lot about bandwidth. On further thought, I think we will eventually see the almost total elimination of land line phones. They are doing away with pay phones this year I think. Not necessarily a good thing and hardest on the poor. Plus? I don’t WANT a damn cell phone!

  179. Boxlock20
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    Hey ‘comatose’, er cosmas,
    “Physicist Alex Wissner-Gross says that performing two Google searches uses up as much energy as boiling the kettle for a cup of tea”
    http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article5489134.ece

    Shut that computer down ‘comatose’ you are wreaking the world with your use of it.
    Now comatose, every time you do a Google search think about the CO2 you are generating as a result, and get upset at the prospect of your generating so much AGW gasses. Maybe just shut your computer down altogether, save CO2 production and give everyone on the blog a much need rest from your monotonous drone on AGW.

  180. george
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    NYT at it again. I wonder who’s side they are on? I hope they go broke quicker over Plans made, but not carried out against the evil Iran.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/washington/11iran.html?_r=1&partner=MYWAY&ei=5065

  181. lindainks55
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    I’ve never bought a house without signing a contract which obligated me to make the payments. That same contract said if I didn’t do as I agreed (make the payments!) my house would be foreclosed.

    I don’t understand how a sane person could think stopping the payments they agreed to and then trashing a house they were evicted from because they didn’t pay could make any sense.

  182. Monkeyhawk
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    “XXX” channels Charles H. Duell with –

    “The bandwidth isn’t there to support that.”

    And “Everything that can be invented has been invented.”

    That was Duell in 1899.

    See, this is the Luddite mindset of CONs that’s so frustrating to deal with.

    “We’ve never done it that way before” is the CON obsession.

    “If we keep doing it wrong long enough it might turn out to be right” is the political agenda.

    Since Ronald Reagan was elected in 1980 we’ve seen what happens when we do it the CONs’ way.

    How’s that worked out?

  183. lindainks55
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    I’ll sure (sniff) miss presidency: George W. Bush wistful, but confident history will redeem him

    Thomas M. DeFrank, Daily News Washington Bureau Chief, who has covered President Bush since 1987 and Vice President Cheney since 1974, looks at the less-than-triumphant windup of their eight-year rule:

    WASHINGTON – Nine days before fleeing to what he calls “the Promised Land” of Texas, President Bush seems almost wistful about departing a town he’s always disliked.

    Aides and friends report that although First Lady Laura Bush has been ready to bail for months, the 43rd President is more conflicted as his tenure winds down.

    “I’ve seen some melancholy and a few tears,” a close political associate told the Daily News. “He’s glad to be going home but a little sad that this is over.”

    At least for now, “this” is a presidency overwhelmingly deemed unsuccessful – a judgment Bush acknowledges privately but remains convinced will be reversed in a few years.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/01/10/2009-01-10_ill_sure_sniff_miss_presidency_george_w_.html

  184. Boxlock20
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay Posted January 10, 2009 at 4:32 pm |
    “Every once in awhile….
    I like the way you think Pleef.”

    What an insult Pleefer, you have been insulted to the nth degree. But no one considers BlowJ’s opinion worth anything anyway so don’t worry about it.

  185. Boxlock20
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    “In this day and age, if you don’t have access to the internet you are not really part of civilization or culture. I believe it SHOULD be a government provided and free service.”

    Oh he11 BlowJ, you have internet access somehow and you are far from being a part of civilization or culture, at least of any value, far far from it.
    And what’s new, you think you should be provided with everything free just because you are taking up space in this world. Government doesn’t provide anything they don’t get or take from someone providing or producing it.

  186. BlueJay
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Apparently bawks, you did not see Pleefer’s reply?

    I know you are smarting from what you have made of yourself here. Projecting what you KNOW this forum thinks of you will not help.

  187. Mary_Caruso
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Box, you seem unusually mean spirited these days…maybe you need to go get laid or something.

  188. BlueJay
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    What’s this?

    Three threads over the last three days one can find bawks declaring “mission accomplished!” in fights he has clearly lost. And all posted in the last few minutes.

    Damn boy, how many plates CAN you spin?

  189. Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    LOL — Good one Mary!! I was just thinking how stupid it looks to attack a poster because another poster agrees with them on something…. LOL

  190. lindainks55
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    Mary,

    Your posts always make so much sense! I smile when I see your name show up on the left-hand column totled “recent comments,” and I’m never disappointed in what I find.

  191. Mary_Caruso
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    It just seems like all the cons are so angry and frustrated lately…maybe PTSD from the election?

    I think they all need to say the Serenity Prayer.

  192. Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    Oh mercy… and here I thought maybe it was just because of the Full Moon!!

  193. Mary_Caruso
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    Thank you Linda…I like your posts, also. It’s refreshing to read your posts. You can discuss issues and make sense without resorting to insults, put downs, and name calling.

  194. Boxlock20
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    ” I have taken full advantage of every opportunity that I have been able to find for advancement.”—CJM

    Well, you see dear, many are not blessed with that particularly unfortunate survival skill of playing the game that has availed you so well.—the Blowfish

    Well Blowfish, you have no skills because you have never gotten off you a$$ and made any effort to advance yourself. Preferring to beg for handouts from government programs and cursing those that get ahead through self motivation and work.
    Strange, folks that rely on your plan BlowJ are miserable failures, those that rely on CJM’s make something of themselves, and just listen to the difference in the tone of their attitude, even on this blog.

  195. BlueJay
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    What gets me with bawks is that this is somebody who is a grandparent. Yet I can easily find rhetoric from him that I have not heard since junior high. That and he takes not just satisfaction but personal pleasure in the pain of others. I think it is fear driving that. I for one am glad that such a person is afraid.

  196. mxyzptlk
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    Of course bigot bawks is afraid. He’s the chicken boy!!!

    bbbbaaaaawwwwwkkkkkk bawk bawk baaaaaawwwwwwkkkkk!

  197. lindainks55
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    Obama family visits Lincoln Memorial

    -snip-

    Obama will be the first president to use the Lincoln Bible for his inauguration since Lincoln used it in 1861. Inauguration organizers have said Obama’s inaugural theme, “A New Birth of Freedom,” was inspired by Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address.

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/10/obama.lincoln.memorial/

  198. XXX
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    #
    Monkeyhawk
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    “XXX” channels Charles H. Duell with –

    “The bandwidth isn’t there to support that.”

    And “Everything that can be invented has been invented.”

    That was Duell in 1899.

    See, this is the Luddite mindset of CONs that’s so frustrating to deal with.

    “We’ve never done it that way before” is the CON obsession.

    “If we keep doing it wrong long enough it might turn out to be right” is the political agenda.

    Since Ronald Reagan was elected in 1980 we’ve seen what happens when we do it the CONs’ way.

    How’s that worked out?
    _________________________________________________

    That post made a lot of sense (NOT).

    Drink much?

  199. BlueJay
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    I have skills bawks. I’m an accomplished machinist. But you have a look around at how the local aircraft companies are treating their workers and tell me I should go back to that.

    I took CJM to task because she brags about how well she plays a game that I am not good at. I never was good at the high church of me, myself and I. I was more concerned with the person working next to me than pleasing the guy standing over us and barking orders.

    Let’s see if you have given me more to work with before I embarrass you some more.

  200. lindainks55
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    Here’s a ‘pardon’ I can get behind!

    ——-

    NY eatery frees ancient lobster

    A lobster believed to be some 140 years old is to be freed from the confines of a tank at a New York restaurant.

    George the giant lobster, weighing 9kg (20lb), will be returned to the ocean, from where he was caught two weeks ago.

    more at:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7821645.stm

  201. JMWalker
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    One thing about Kansas law concerning rent deposits: The landlord has (check this out, the number of days may be wrong) 15 days to notify you as to why he did not return your deposit, or he is required to pay you 3X the deposit amount. That was a good law in 1996, and unless its been repealed, it still holds. I went through that back then.

  202. BlueJay
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    “…and just listen to the difference in the tone of their attitude, even on this blog.”

    You have more than me bawks You were telling anyone who cared to read the other day just how much you have. THEN you switched to telling us how hard it is you have it. Either way, I am clearly happier than you. Because my thinking is not focused on myself.

    I can’t teach you though. You have a different perspective on things from me. To you, suffering in people is deserved for this or that reason. To me, it is something to be fixed.

  203. Boxlock20
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    BlowJay, it’s just you I dislike, because you are such a worthless slug.
    Basically a parasite that thinks he is entitled to feed off society. I find that disgusting and have from the moment I found this unfortunate band of neurotics.
    Did you get with your mother BJ, and get her opinion of your issuing challenges to strangers on a blog to meet in parking lots to settle differences? What were her comments on the maturity of her son BJ for being so childish at your age.
    Did you tell her how the object of your anger so easily let you take yourself where you thought you wanted to go, to stand there in the cold thinking about how big a fool you really are. And all to satisfy your fragile ego and try and impress your les/bian friend.
    Hum BJ…..didn’t consult with her on that now did you? Because it would hurt her to know she has an adult idiot child for a son, that’s why.
    I don’t blame you, I would not want that either.\

    “Because my thinking is not focused on myself.”—BlowJ
    Yeah right, that’s because you are focused on what everyone else has and how you can get to it, or get the government to take it and give it to you. Like I said….you are a slug.

  204. cosmos_originally
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    bigotbawks,

    I would not have to post here about AGW, if AGW deniers like you were smart enough to understand climate science.

  205. Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    Tomorrow is the Celebration of the Baptism of Jesus on the Church Calendar for the Season of Epiphany (Mark 1:4-11). It is a good day to remember all that we have been given.

    For those not so inclined, it will be January 11, the second day of the first Full Moon of the year 2009. Also a good day to remember all we have been given.

    good night; good luck; god bless —-
    whatever you conceive god to be!!

    blessings ALL!!

    so mote it be!!

    Night all!!

  206. Boxlock20
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    “You have more than me bawks You were telling anyone who cared to read the other day just how much you have. THEN you switched to telling us how hard it is you have it.”

    I was trying to explain to you, even through that thick dumb skull, that while am strictly middle/upper middle class income, my wife and I have sacrificed in spending over the years to save for the future of ourselves, our kids and our grandkids. I have invested heavily in educations for my children and am saving for my grandchildren’s educations as well. We have assets SAVED, but we don’t spend. You seem to think you as well as others of less fiscal self-discipline are somehow entitled to that.
    Well no you aren’t entitled to others labors. Earn it yourself!

    “I have skills bawks. I’m an accomplished machinist. But you have a look around at how the local aircraft companies are treating their workers and tell me I should go back to that.”

    Well I’m glad you are a machinist, that is a significant accomplishment. But I question if the rest is but a big fat excuse and a lie. You are just plain to lazy to work and want someone to row your boat for you. Well, drown for all I care BJ. If you decide to work, that’s when I’ll have some compassion for you but not until then.

  207. cosmos_originally
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    And it is a beautiful Full Moon up there tonight.

  208. BlueJay
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    “BlowJay, it’s just you I dislike, because you are such a worthless slug.”

    Well THAT’S not true. Along with the mistakes distortions and hoaxes you bring to this forum, MY attention was drawn to you by your out of the way cruelty to a friend of mine.

    “Basically a parasite that thinks he is entitled to feed off society.”

    Not true at all. I am on no government assistance other than my son’s health insurance. I have not filed for disability even though my former employer destroyed my health and my hands because I KNOW that there are people who must have it worse.

    I did tell my mother about you. She was incredulous that a man who is a grandfather could be so juvenile and cowardly as you are. Even more so that you would brag on it.

  209. Boxlock20
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    “I would not have to post here about AGW, if AGW deniers like you were smart enough to understand climate science.”—comatose

    comatose, you mean dumb enough to accept the hysteria of climate science.
    And comatose, remember….you posting is doing nothing to help, not one single thing. It is a waste of the electricity to power your computer and monitor and simply generating more CO2, results diametrically opposed to what you are actually wanting.
    Kind of ironically funny really!

  210. cosmos_originally
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    bigotbawks posted January 10, 2009 at 11:01 pm

    my wife and I have sacrificed in spending over the years to save for the future of ourselves, our kids and our grandkids.

    We have assets SAVED, but we don’t spend.
    —————

    Too funny! bigotbawks burns nat gas when he does not need to, and wastes MONEY, to prove that the AGW scientists are wrong about CO2.

    Are bigotbawks’ “kids and grandkids” impressed by his denial of AGW? Will they be impressed later?

    Because we don’t think about future generations, they will never forget us.” Henrik Tikkanen

  211. BlueJay
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    Mr bawks?

    I don’t want your compassion and I did not ask for it. It comes at too high a price.

    And I do not like who it is I would have to thank while you kick the legs out from under someone else.

  212. Boxlock20
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    “I did tell my mother about you. She was incredulous that a man who is a grandfather could be so juvenile and cowardly as you are. Even more so that you would brag on it.”—Blowlie

    Ha!!! And again another lie!!!

    “I am on no government assistance other than my son’s health insurance.”

    What, I thought some of your liberal talk good friends where going to provide that for you and your son. Didn’t work out I guess…ha ha ha.
    And by the way, that is government assistance, but I find no fault there, the kid need a break.

  213. Boxlock20
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    “Too funny! bigotbawks burns nat gas when he does not need to, and wastes MONEY, to prove that the AGW scientists are wrong about CO2.”—comatose

    Just poking fun at you comatose when I say that because you have zero humor about you. BORING!!!

  214. Boxlock20
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    Until the morn. Sweet dreams.

  215. cosmos_originally
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    bigotbawks posted January 10, 2009 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    “I would not have to post here about AGW, if AGW deniers like you were smart enough to understand climate science.”—comatose

    comatose, you mean dumb enough to accept the hysteria of climate science.
    —————-

    bigotbawks, if you’re smarter than all of the climate scientists worldwide, then submit your paper refuting the AGW theory.
    If you cannot do that, then you are proving that you are dumb, by denying their research.

  216. BlueJay
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    Readers?

    I cite the post at 11:13 as from someone who feels he has made it in America and that America works.

    The upshot is that he is also a very unhappy and frightened person. There’s a reason for that.

    He knows that the time of him and his is running out.

  217. cosmos_originally
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    bigotbawks posted January 10, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    Just poking fun at you comatose when I say that because you have zero humor about you. BORING!!!
    —————
    In other words, bigotbawks was lying. Again.

  218. cosmos_originally
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    What do bigotbawks’ “kids and grandkids” think about his denial of AGW?

    What will his great-grandkids, and later descendants think about his AGW denial?

  219. BlueJay
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    Bawks already knows that his grandkids will look at him like something that crawled out from under a rock. THAT is why he is sore afraid.

  220. cosmos_originally
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

    Actually, bigotbawks probably lied about having a wife, kids, and grandkids.

    He lied about meeting BlueJay. He has lied about turning on his gas-fired log heater.

    “A liar is not believed even when he speaks the truth.” Aesop.

  221. cosmos_originally
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 11:56 pm | Permalink

    Boxlock20 posted January 8, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    Hey cosmos,
    It is really too warm to turn on my cast iron gas log stove tonight. It needs to be down around freezing or the house gets a little warm. But when I saw you here I went down and turned it on and then went outside to see if I could see any condensation vapor indicating exhaust including CO2 so I could let you know.
    It’s running cosmos…filling the air with CO2, but it feels so good.
    ——————–

    cosmos_originally posted January 8, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    Boxlock20 posted January 8, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    It’s running cosmos…filling the air with CO2, but it feels so good.
    —————-

    Enjoy paying your utility bill.
    ———————

    Boxlock20 posted January 8, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    “Enjoy paying your utility bill.”

    I can do that cosmos, I can do that.
    That’s the beauty of this county, at least to this point, I can work to earn, and earn to spend, according to my decisions…..not yours faux scientist.

  222. cosmos_originally
    Posted January 11, 2009 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    Boxlock20 posted January 9, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    Hey comatose, I think instead of turning off the gas log stove tonight, I just let it go all night in your honor, ha.
    Aren’t ya loving it?

  223. Political_mama
    Posted January 11, 2009 at 12:07 am | Permalink

    The moon was absolutely amazing.

  224. Political_mama
    Posted January 11, 2009 at 1:03 am | Permalink

    All I know is someone needs to arrest that woman in the missing boy case. And probably all the people who witnessed her abuse and did NOTHING to stop it.

  225. Jed
    Posted January 11, 2009 at 4:42 am | Permalink

    Hey Boxic,
    It’s perfectly alright to turn on your gas fireplace- just keep the damper closed and don’t light it.

  226. Boxlock20
    Posted January 11, 2009 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    Hey comatose,
    Looks like I am accomplishing something worthwhile with my posts about leaving my stove on, which by the way is burning right now providing warmth on a cold morning. I am accomplishing keeping a a neurotic hysteric on AGW so consumed with me he/she takes the time to pull up posts to copy and paste, ha. At least that keeps a small mind busy instead to spouting more faux science.

    Jed,
    Numskull, it’s a direct vent stove….no venting or drawing from the house. But then I’m sure those things are beyond your comprehension.

  227. Boxlock20
    Posted January 11, 2009 at 7:53 am | Permalink

    comatose posted, “He lied about meeting BlueJay.”

    It was a lesson I taught BlowJ for his benefit not a lie Acceptance of his repeated ridiculously asinine challenges to meet in a parking lot on a work day would have been immature and nonsensical on my part. What a moroon!
    I can see where you might have done so having little more actual good sense than he. Your saying I should have met him like a stupid middle school kid simply destroys any credibility for anything you have to say anytime, including on AGW. You are a maroon as well.

  228. cosmos_originally
    Posted January 11, 2009 at 7:54 am | Permalink

    bigotbawks,

    All that you’ve done is prove that you are a liar. As well as a fool who believes the lies about AGW from fossil-fuel and right-wing/free-market groups.

    Did you open the windows last night? You can produce much more CO2 by doing that.

  229. Boxlock20
    Posted January 11, 2009 at 8:49 am | Permalink

    comatose,
    I know what happened in dealing with the dupe BlowJ, and I have not the respect for you to care much what you think. Your thinking is obviously discredited by your whole ‘hook-line-and sinker’ swallowing of the AGW hysteria. I think I may start to refer you to as the ‘big mouth bass faux scientist’.

  230. cosmos_originally
    Posted January 11, 2009 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    bigotbawks.

    Whatever.

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/01/open-thread-110-2/#comment-501258

  231. Pleefer
    Posted January 11, 2009 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    The bank puts nothing up to “lose” in the loan. The loan is a fraud to begin with. That goes for everyone.

    I wouldn’t feel the way I do if the bailout didn’t happen or if there were at least a little transparency in where the money is and will be going.

    I’ll never feel a need to justify anything I say to anyone of you…ever. You all don’t want to know any truths because then that makes you understand and then you can’t get away with (morally) the stuff that you feel so comfortable getting away with.

    You okay the cheating and the scamming and the lying by the big fish, so you don’t have to feel bad when you do it to others, yourself. Fine.

    I didn’t mean trash the place…but in hindsight maybe that’s not a bad idea. What I meant was the renovations and upgrades and the simple things that you did to better the home are yours. I would take them back, in kind.

    Linda, you want to call people “insane” for not following up on agreement that you made?

    You remind me of a conversation I had with one of my athiest and (more or less) socialist friend’s the other day. It went something like this…

    My friend (who is an unrepentant pot smoker, lives in squalor and has no job and doesn’t want to give up pot smoking to find a job that pays. Also he banged himself up really bad and has racked up a HUGE medical bill) says, “Pleefer, I don’t agree with what you’re saying, a man is only as good as his word, and you gave your word that you’d pay bill”. I said, “I understand well your point, my friend, and I agree wholeheartedly with you. I’d never “cheat” a friend or reneg on a deal that was valid”.

    He agreed with my individual points about the bailout, the false contracts and the coldness of the banks taking advantage of all of us little peoples’ economic woes. If it had been any other time and people were falling off of their mortgages, it would be different. But the “economic woes” are being blamed on “the housing bubble” and that’s just a blatent fugging lie. The economic woes are the complete fault of the derivatives market, the gambling and swindling of the Wall Street devils and the Ponzi scheme which is our false monetary system is coming home to roost. This countrys’ creditor’s are calling the loans to us. So WE’RE ALL “insane”, Linda.

    By the way, do you know who’s going to pay for my friends’ medical bills (that are gargutuan)? Me and you and Nathaniel. He already told me that, “he’s going to let them pay for it”.

    “Them”. He’s going to let “them” pay the bill’s.

    Don’t fugging talk to me about insanity.

  232. StevenEDavis
    Posted January 12, 2009 at 2:35 am | Permalink

    A serious question, before I go to bed. How relevant was the housing boom/bubble in terms of housing prices here in Wichita. Very little, I would say.

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