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My calendar says today is the Full moon. However, the precise moment the moon passed in front of the sun was before midnight. No matter, the moon will appear full for the next couple of nights. So in about an hour, the full moon should set in the west as the sun rises in the east. So get ready!
Today, for you politically minded, Karl Peterjohn will be sworn in as Sedgwick County Commissioner at the Courthouse this afternoon. I believe its scheduled for 2 PM. See you there.
When you read the EAGLE this morning, notice the overriding issue is that almost every level of government is broke and trying to figure out how to tax the public for more money to make up the deficits.
The rumor I hear is Governor Sebelius is about to announce a huge increase in your property taxes to finance impending deficits in Kansas due to virtually no oversight in spending by our elected politicians.
So just send your billfold to Sebelius and let her take out what she needs.
Not So Fast the Electric Cars, Buried Study Says
Contrary to popular belief, all useful information does not emanate exclusively from the United States. Likewise, governments other than ours can, on occasion, be as guilty as ours in suppressing useful information that is inconvenient for governments, not to mention advocates of and special pleaders for suspicious causes. Thus it was that while Americans were busy holidaying, the Financial Times (FT) reported that the government of French President Nicolas Sarkozy was busily burying an inconvenient study – analyzing options for cleaner and more efficient mass-market cars — commissioned by that very same government.
The study was conducted by Jean Syrota, a former French energy industry regulator. According to Paul Betts and Song Jung-a of FT, the study “concludes that there is not much future in the much vaunted development of all electric-powered cars. Instead, it suggests that the traditional combustion engine powered by petrol, diesel, ethanol or new biofuels still offers the most realistic prospect of developing cleaner vehicles. Carbon emissions and fuel consumption could be cut by 30-40 per cent simply by improving the performance and efficiency of traditional engines and limiting the top speed to about 170km/hr [105 mph]….
“Overall, the Syrota report says that adapting and improving conventional engines could enhance their efficiency by an average of 50 per cent. It also argues that new-generation hybrid cars combining conventional engines with electric propulsion could provide an interesting future alternative. “By combining electric batteries with conventional fuel-driven engines, cars could run on clean electricity for short urban trips while switching over to fuel on motorways. This would resolve one of the biggest problems facing all electric cars – the need to install costly battery recharging infrastructures. The report warns that the overall cost of an all-electric car remains unviable at around double that of a conventional vehicle.”
A single, buried French report cannot and should not curtail the development of electric cars. But it should be a cautionary note to all governments (California among them) rushing to embrace, with taxpayer money, the automobile panacea that could in reality never amount to more than a niche product with negligible impact on energy or transportation needs and considerable impact on consumer and taxpayer cost.
Not a week after FT reported on the buried French study, other news reports indicated that 14 U.S. companies had formed a coalition to seek $1 billion in U.S. government funding to develop batteries for electric cars. (You may have read that all free-market principles having now being discredited, the government will be responsible for all venture capital.) That’s your money, as the ad slogan says. Call and let us know how far it gets your electric car across Route 66.
Source:
http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/legislative_issues/federal_issues/hot_issues_in_congress/energy/Not-So-Fast-the-Electric-Cars-Buried-Study-Says.htm
HLP: You mentioned Highway 66 above. But historically, before interstate highways, U.S. Highway 54 was advertised as the shortcut from Chicago to California as compared to U.S. Highway 66 further south.
But, more about today’s Full moon. Todays January 2009 Full moon is at its perigee, or the closest distance to the Earth in many years, some 220,000 miles away. This compares to its average distance of 240,000 miles. This closeness and consequently stronger gravity does affect the Earth’s tides and is said to increase “instability in our weather.” Any weather instability around?
In any case, HLP, because you live out west of Wichita, about 8:15 AM this morning, the giant “Full Wolf Moon” should slip down past the tree line marking the Ninnescah River valley to the west, shortly after the wintery Sun rises in the East. Good time for that first cup of coffee.
Have a good day WE Bloggers.
Well, JWink,
Too late for my first cup of coffee! I’m on my second. I’ll probably be feeding at 8:15, good view of the moon setting from the barn.
Mary, on the other hand has a brand new picture window in the perfect place for her to enjoy the lunar spectacle without leaving her dining room table!
Hank,
The large number of straw men in your 6:19 am column has caused a straw shortage.
Also, straw and tobacco smokers (fire) is a bad combination.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Individual_Freedom
HLP,
Of course all electric cars and even hybrids are not a good choice at this point and probably won’t be in the foreseeable future.
The difference in cost is hard to make up in fuel savings and the performance difference is noticable in most. Also, the complexity and cost to maintain higher in those vehicles.
Let dummies like comatose waste their money on them.
Not only that, Boxlock20, but the detriment to the environment involved with the manufacture and ultimate disposal of the batteries is significant.
But I guess it’s OK to have an ‘electric car’ if you can destroy someone else’s environment! Hopefully, we’ll develop enough coal fired plants in the future to charge all the batteries of our ‘electric cars’!
Boxlock20
Posted January 11, 2009 at 7:42 am | Permalink
HLP,
Of course all electric cars and even hybrids are not a good choice at this point and probably won’t be in the foreseeable future.
The difference in cost is hard to make up in fuel savings and the performance difference is noticable in most. Also, the complexity and cost to maintain higher in those vehicles.
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Boxlock,
The biggest problem I have with electric cars is, they don’t have much range. I drive about 40 miles per day and that would really be pushing it with a fully electric car in a lot of cases. As far as complexity and cost, you have to deal with that on any car built in the last 10 or so years. I’m an old hot rod mechanic from way back. The only maintenance I can do on my wife’s Saturn is change the oil.
http://www.oilendgame.com/ReadTheBook.html
HLP
Posted January 11, 2009 at 7:50 am | Permalink
Not only that, Boxlock20, but the detriment to the environment involved with the manufacture and ultimate disposal of the batteries is significant.
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Excellent point, Hank. Of course batteries would have to be recycled, but way too many of them would wind up in landfills and even recycling produces a lot of scrap that’s bad for the environment. And replacing batteries in an electric car would be a major expense.
Battery technology isn’t really that good yet. It hasn’t been that long ago that battery manufacturers were pushing sealed “maintenance-free” batteries as the “end all” product. Well, that didn’t work out so well if you were dealing with 36 and 48 volt batteries. They were about 50% more expensive and the operating life was disappointing.
United States
Article 1 of the United States Constitution lists issuing letters of marque and reprisal in Section 8 as one of the enumerated powers of Congress, alongside the power to declare war. One question is whether the marque and reprisal clause requires the President to obtain such a letter from Congress as an authorization for limited offensive warlike operations outside the territory of the United States.
It is the opinion of Jules Lobel, a prominent Constitutional law scholar at the University of Pittsburgh School of Law, that the origins of this clause and the framers’ intent fit well with modern notions of irregular warfare, supporting the view that the President’s use of troops in foreign military operations, including covert paramilitary actions, is illegal absent Congress’ authorization.[1]
Some scholars, however, view this clause as contemplating action only by private contractors, and not as a limit on presidential power. For example, in 2002, Douglas Kmiec, then dean of the Columbus School of Law at the Catholic University of America, testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee that:
Letters of Marque and Reprisal are grants of authority from Congress to private citizens, not the President. Their purpose is to expressly authorize seizure and forfeiture of goods by such citizens in the context of undeclared hostilities. Without such authorization, the citizen could be treated under international law as a pirate. Occasions where one’s citizens undertake hostile activity can often entangle the larger sovereignty, and therefore, it was sensible for Congress to desire to have a regulatory check upon it. Authorizing Congress to moderate or oversee private action, however, says absolutely nothing about the President’s responsibilities under the Constitution.[2]
Because the difference between a privateer and a pirate was a subtle (often invisible) one, in 1856 the issuance of Letters of Marque and Reprisal to private parties was banned for signatories of the Declaration of Paris. The United States was not a signatory to that Declaration and is not bound by it. During the 1861-65 American Civil War and the 1898 Spanish-American War, however, the United States issued statements that it would abide by the principles of the Declaration of Paris for the duration of the hostilities. The Confederate States of America issued Letters of Marque and Reprisal during the Civil War. The only vessel to operate under a Letter of Marque issued by the United States Congress since the War of 1812, was the airship Resolute, operated by civilians to patrol the seas for submarines during the Second World War.
The issue of Marque and Reprisal was raised before Congress after the September 11, 2001 attacks[3], and again on July 21, 2007 by congressman Ron Paul. The attacks were defined as acts of “air piracy,” and the Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001 was introduced, which would have granted the president the authority to use Letters of Marque and Reprisal against the specific terrorists, instead of warring against a foreign state. The terrorists were compared to pirates in that they are difficult to fight by traditional military means.[
HLP and XXX,
I agree with your points. The energy to propel a vehicle must come from somewhere, there are no free rides in physics. comatose needs to learn that as well.
And ‘amen’ to the complexity of today’s cars with their computer controlled fuel injections, variable ignition timing and valve timing, etc.
Oh for the days you could look under the hood and actually see and get to anything you needed to do.
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Boxlock20
Posted January 11, 2009 at 8:24 am | Permalink
HLP and XXX,
And ‘amen’ to the complexity of today’s cars with their computer controlled fuel injections, variable ignition timing and valve timing, etc.
Oh for the days you could look under the hood and actually see and get to anything you needed to do.
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And let’s not forget what it costs to have a car worked on. I had to replace the ignition switch on Mrs XXX’s Saturn last week. It was a problem Saturn knows about. It cost almost $400 to get it replaced.
They’ve got us between a rock and a hard place. I have a shop manual for the Saturn. Amazing how many special tools you need to work on the thing.
Considering what the “special tools” cost, you’re money ahead to just take the car to the dealership. It’s a racket.
bigotbawks posted January 11, 2009 at 8:24 am
The energy to propel a vehicle must come from somewhere, there are no free rides in physics. comatose needs to learn that as well.
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Looks like bigotbawks found some straw to build a big straw man, despite the shortage caused by Hank’s 6:19 am column.
Here’s one for you. Mrs XXX’s car doesn’t have a dipstick for the automatic transmission. No sight glass, no way to check the transmission fluid. Saturn recommends changing the tranny fluid at specific intervals. The dealership wants $195 to do that.
Considering what the “special tools” cost, you’re money ahead to just take the car to the dealership. It’s a racket.
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LOL
Momma’s El Dorado had things under the hood that I know had t be important, they had hoses and wires and important electronic looking things. I didn’t even know what they were!
I can still change the cam in a 427/425HP big block Chevy though!
bigotbawks posted January 11, 2009 at 8:24 am
The energy to propel a vehicle must come from somewhere, there are no free rides in physics. comatose needs to learn that as well.
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bigotbawks,
And thank you for again proving that you are a LIAR.
Life is so much simpler for Cosmos and his ten speed.
No dipstick for the tranny and ’special tools’ needed simply to work on the car is not only a racket it should be enough to publicly humiliate the maker.
comatose,
Glad I could get you fired up this morning, you are obviously frustrated and losing it again.
That’s not a very good example to set for a scientist, oh….never mind, you are shooting for faux scientist. Keep up the good work.
Hank posted January 11, 2009 at 8:58 am
Life is so much simpler for Cosmos and his ten speed.
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Hank,
Have you ever built bike wheels? It’s tedious work.
BTW: I’ve rebuilt car engines, transmissions, differentials, carbs, water pumps, alternators, replaced clutches, etc. It’s not that difficult.
bigotbawks,
I’m not “fired up”. . . just pointing out the truth.
If we’ve learned one thing, it’s not to trust bush. If they get their hands on the money, it’ll be gone before jan.20!
“The White House said on Friday that Bush administration officials were in discussions with the Obama team on the possibility of Bush making a request for the second $350 billion of the bailout funds.
Both the White House and an Obama transition official said no final decision had been made but The Washington Post said a request could come as early as this weekend.
The aim would be to ensure that the funds were in place on January 20, when Obama takes office.
Right comatose, right! Ha!
Go burn off some frustration on your 10 speed as HLP pointed out is your mode of transportation.
No flatulence though, we don’t want ANY release of greenhouse gasses, which I’m sure you are full of.
Earth on the Brink of an Ice Age
http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/106922-earth_ice_age-0
“The earth is now on the brink of entering another Ice Age, according to a large and compelling body of evidence from within the field of climate science. Many sources of data which provide our knowledge base of long-term climate change indicate that the warm, twelve thousand year-long Holocene period will rather soon be coming to an end, and then the earth will return to Ice Age conditions for the next 100,000 years.”
Oh am I loving it!!!
comatose, wake up boy, now your scientists can’t agree on whether we are about to burn up or freeze.
Know what comatose, I am not going to worry about the next ice age anymore than I have about your ridiculous AGW and that is about ZERO.
What nonsense you fall for comatose, you seem to be a one man band for your own intelligence, which is actually nonexistent.
Sorry for the length of the copy and paste but for those not wanting to take time to read this excellent article here is a little more.
And am I loving it!!! Here is just a piece, page 2.
http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/106922-1/
“During the 1970s the famous American astronomer Carl Sagan and other scientists began promoting the theory that ‘greenhouse gasses’ such as carbon dioxide, or CO2, produced by human industries could lead to catastrophic global warming. Since the 1970s the theory of ‘anthropogenic global warming’ (AGW) has gradually become accepted as fact by most of the academic establishment, and their acceptance of AGW has inspired a global movement to encourage governments to make pivotal changes to prevent the worsening of AGW.
The central piece of evidence that is cited in support of the AGW theory is the famous ‘hockey stick’ graph which was presented by Al Gore in his 2006 film “An Inconvenient Truth.” The ‘hockey stick’ graph shows an acute upward spike in global temperatures which began during the 1970s and continued through the winter of 2006/07. However, this warming trend was interrupted when the winter of 2007/8 delivered the deepest snow cover to the Northern Hemisphere since 1966 and the coldest temperatures since 2001. It now appears that the current Northern Hemisphere winter of 2008/09 will probably equal or surpass the winter of 2007/08 for both snow depth and cold temperatures.
The main flaw in the AGW theory is that its proponents focus on evidence from only the past one thousand years at most, while ignoring the evidence from the past million years — evidence which is essential for a true understanding of climatology. The data from paleoclimatology provides us with an alternative and more credible explanation for the recent global temperature spike, based on the natural cycle of Ice Age maximums and interglacials.
Conclusion from page 3
http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/106922-2/
“About 325,000 years ago, at the peak of a warm interglacial, global temperature and CO2 levels were higher than they are today. Today we are again at the peak, and near to the end, of a warm interglacial, and the earth is now due to enter the next Ice Age. If we are lucky, we may have a few years to prepare for it. The Ice Age will return, as it always has, in its regular and natural cycle, with or without any influence from the effects of AGW.
The AGW theory is based on data that is drawn from a ridiculously narrow span of time and it demonstrates a wanton disregard for the ‘big picture’ of long-term climate change. The data from paleoclimatology, including ice cores, sea sediments, geology, paleobotany and zoology, indicate that we are on the verge of entering another Ice Age, and the data also shows that severe and lasting climate change can occur within only a few years. While concern over the dubious threat of Anthropogenic Global Warming continues to distract the attention of people throughout the world, the very real threat of the approaching and inevitable Ice Age, which will render large parts of the Northern Hemisphere uninhabitable, is being foolishly ignored. ”
Better start producing more CO2 and release of methane comatose, or get ready to bundle up in the next few several thousand years.
Chuckle chuckle.
What a wonderfully complex world and universe we live in, that we have just barely scratched the surface of understanding.
Yet some think we know it all.
Big big universe, little little man.
Thanks Almighty GOD!!!
“Boxlock20″ –
“Pravda?!
Interesting discussions early in the morning. Too bad it gets ruined when a partisan bomb-thrower shows up.
Another open thread goes down to endless bickering about GW.
Enjoyed the confab, guys.
Now back to the name-calling and finger-pointing.
bigotbawks posted January 11, 2009 at 9:46 am
Oh am I loving it!!!
bigotbawks posted January 11, 2009 at 9:51 am
And am I loving it!!!
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Oh course you are, bigotbawks. It says the falsehoods that you insist on believing, because you do not want to know the truth.
For example, you don’t want to admit that the AGW theory was developed long ago, in the 1890’s.
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/timeline.htm
You don’t want to admit that climate scientists have used palaeoclimate to understand better AGW.
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
Chapter 6 Palaeoclimate
bigotbawks lives in his little fantasy world of AGW denial — and uses falsehoods and ad hominems to defend his world.
According to the Pastafarian belief system, pirates are “absolute divine beings” and the original Pastafarians. Their image as “thieves and outcasts” is misinformation spread by Christian theologians in the Middle Ages and by Hare Krishnas. Pastafarianism says that they were in fact “peace-loving explorers and spreaders of good will” who distributed candy to small children, and adds that modern pirates are in no way similar to “the fun-loving buccaneers from history.” Pastafarians celebrate International Talk Like a Pirate Day on September 19.
The inclusion of pirates in Pastafarianism was part of Henderson’s original letter to the Kansas School Board. It illustrated that correlation does not imply causation. Henderson put forth the argument that “global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of pirates since the 1800s.” A chart accompanying the letter shows that as the number of pirates decreased, global temperatures increased. This is akin to the suggestion from some religious groups that the high numbers of disasters, famines and wars in the world is due to the lack of respect and worship towards a deity.
In 2008, Henderson has interpreted the growing pirate activities at the Gulf of Aden as an additional empirical support, pointing out that Somalia has “the highest number of Pirates AND the lowest Carbon emissions of any country.”
This particular correlation suggests, and does so in a quite remarkable way that, once the United States reaches a carbon footprint virtually undetectable, we will be inundated with pirate culture. I, for one, am whittling my peg leg as I blog, matey! Now, anyone got a one-eyed parrot for sale?
Powerful Solar Storm Could Shut Down U.S. for Months
“The race is on for better forecasting abilities, as the next peak in solar activity is expected to come around 2012.
While the sun is in a lull now, activity can flare up at any moment, and severe space weather — how severe, nobody knows — will ramp up a year or two before the peak.
Some scientists expect the next peak to bring more severe events than other recent peaks.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,478024,00.html
“For example, you don’t want to admit that the AGW theory was developed long ago, in the 1890’s.”—comatose
Or you that it is incomplete science and being proven WRONG now regulary.
Notice ‘comatose’ remains comatose in that he fails to address the article but instead chooses to attack me. The very thing he complains about in everyone else. The hypocrite!
Monkey,
Are you saying that because this was published in Pravda that it has no value. Seem pretty darn presumptuous to me for a self professed thinking individual, oh excuse me, for the oxymoron of you as a thinking individual.
As much as I dislike the Russian government lets not forget they are quite sophisticated technologically and scientifically.
Don’t be as gullible as comatose, it’s not very becoming.
20 Old Age Benefits
It’s true getting old has its benefits
1. Kidnappers are not very interested in you.
2. In a hostage situation you are likely to be released first.
3. No one expects you to run into a burning building.
4. People call at 9 p.m. and ask, “Did I wake you?”
5. People no longer view you as a hypochondriac.
6. There’s nothing left to learn the hard way.
7. Things you buy now won’t wear out.
8. You can eat dinner at 4 p.m.
9. You can live without sex (but not without glasses).
10. You enjoy hearing about other people’s operations.
11. You get into a heated argument about pension plans.
12. You have a party and the neighbors don’t even realize it.
13. You no longer think of speed limits as a challenge.
14. You quit trying to hold your stomach in, no matter who walks into the room.
15. You sing along with the elevator music.
16. Your eyes won’t get much worse.
17. Your investment in health insurance is finally beginning to pay off.
18. Your joints are more accurate meteorologists than the National Weather Service.
19. Your secrets are safe with your friends because they can’t remember them either.
20. Your supply of brain cells is finally down to a manageable size.
“bigotbawks lives in his little fantasy world of AGW denial — and uses falsehoods and ad hominems to defend his world.”—comatose
The exact thing could be said for comatose with more validity.
‘comatose lives in his little fantasy world of AGW reality — and uses falsehoods and ad hominems to defend his world.’ Chuckle!
Funny JM, might be be funnier if it weren’t so true, I guess. Or maybe that’s why it’s funny for those that appreciate their aging experiences.
Okay, nerds, put your pocket protectors on and get with it!!!
8 Tips to combat Global Warming (for NERDS)
Although the following tips are some easy ways to reduce your carbon emissions, they are only a starting point. If you do some research and evaluate your lifestyle, you will notice other areas where you can reduce emissions.
1. Use more black
Last month, treehugger pointed out that if google used black, they would save 750 Megawatt-Hours a Year. So if you can, design your next website or UI screen to use black as a dominant colour. Also set your wallpapers to black (heres one of my favorites), change the background colour of your IDE, turn down the brightness of your monitor, and start utilising websites with a darker colour pallet (e.g. use ninja for searching).
2. Switch off development servers
If you’re like me, you’ve setup your development computer to be an efficient resource. Which often results in servers being left on so you can access services 24/7. Although this produces a very productive work environment, it wastes a lot of electricity and is often overkill.
Try turning off your servers at night and on weekends (you could even set this up as a schedule task). If you think you can’t live without it on, look into setting up wake on LAN.
3. Use a laptop
Laptop parts are designed to make efficient use of the available battery power and therefor use less electricity. So you can use global warming to justify buying the more expensive laptop over the desktop PC.
4. Do more on the Internet
Why send a letter when you can email? Why get a receipt printed at a ATM when you can check your bank account status online? Doing more on the Internet will reduce the number of trees that get cut down for paper (a tree can absorb a ton of carbon over its lifetime). If you still own a printer, load it with recycled paper.
5. Put a plant next to your desk.
A house plant won’t absorb as much carbon as a tree, but it will make your desk look fresher and help soak up some of those bio hazardous gases floating around your work station.
6. Switch off your router while you sleep
If you’re not online 24 hours a day, why keep your router on while you sleep? I’ve made it a habit to unplug my wireless router and external hard drive before going to bed and while I’m not at home.
7. Turn the lights off
Code in the dark. If this doesn’t appeal to you, simply replace your lights with energy efficient fluorescent light bulbs (they use less power and last longer).
8. Blog about Global Warming
Nerds of the Internet unite and spread the word. Global warming is real and is happening now.
“Pravda.” The official propaganda organ for a government dependent upon fossil fuel production.
Incredible. In every sense of the word.
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Boxlock20
Posted January 11, 2009 at 10:46 am | Permalink
Funny JM, might be be funnier if it weren’t so true, I guess. Or maybe that’s why it’s funny for those that appreciate their aging experiences.
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What?
Hey X?
Why don’t YOU offer to meet bawks?
I want a description on what such a person looks like. I have my own ideas. But as a liberal I am ever looking to better understand from under what rock some folks come.
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lindainks55
Posted January 11, 2009 at 10:30 am | Permalink
Powerful Solar Storm Could Shut Down U.S. for Months
“The race is on for better forecasting abilities, as the next peak in solar activity is expected to come around 2012.
While the sun is in a lull now, activity can flare up at any moment, and severe space weather — how severe, nobody knows — will ramp up a year or two before the peak.
Some scientists expect the next peak to bring more severe events than other recent peaks.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,478024,00.html
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So sun blocker on the laptop is in order?
bigotbawks posted January 11, 2009 at 10:35 am
Notice ‘comatose’ remains comatose in that he fails to address the article but instead chooses to attack me. The very thing he complains about in everyone else. The hypocrite!
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I have “addressed” the falsehoods in the “article” multiple times recently.
bigotbawks did not read my posts, and/or he has severe memory problems.
So sun blocker on the laptop is in order?
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No. Turn the power off, and unplug any cables/wires.
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HLP
Posted January 11, 2009 at 7:50 am | Permalink
Not only that, Boxlock20, but the detriment to the environment involved with the manufacture and ultimate disposal of the batteries is significant.
But I guess it’s OK to have an ‘electric car’ if you can destroy someone else’s environment! Hopefully, we’ll develop enough coal fired plants in the future to charge all the batteries of our ‘electric cars’!
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Good point, except the coal plants. Nuclear would be a better way to go. technology of recycling the rods is getting better all the time. Redoing to power grid is essential to reduce line loss. If all that can be accomplished, it would make hydrogen production for autos feasible. Probably 30~50 years out.
“So sun blocker on the laptop is in order?”
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Beats me. But danger from weather-related phenom seems to have us surrounded. ;-)
I posted this on yesterday’s open thread, in response, but I wanted to repeat it here.
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The bank puts nothing up to “lose” in giving the loan (The money is just created out of nothing, a bunch of 1’s and 0’s passing through space, so there is no CONSIDERATION). Therefore the loan is a fraud to begin with. That goes for everyone.
I wouldn’t feel the way I do if the bailout didn’t happen or if there were at least a little transparency in where the money is and will be going.
I’ll never feel a need to justify anything I say to anyone of you…ever. You all don’t want to know any truths because then that makes you understand and then you can’t get away with (morally) the stuff that you feel so comfortable getting away with.
You okay the cheating and the scamming and the lying by the big fish, so you don’t have to feel bad when you do it to others, yourself. Fine.
I didn’t mean trash the place…but in hindsight maybe that’s not a bad idea. What I meant was the renovations and upgrades and the simple things that you did to better the home are yours. I would take them back, in kind.
Linda, you want to call people “insane” for not following up on agreement that you made?
You remind me of a conversation I had with one of my athiest and (more or less) socialist friend’s the other day. It went something like this…
My friend (who is an unrepentant pot smoker, lives in squalor and has no job and doesn’t want to give up pot smoking to find a job that pays. Also he banged himself up really bad and has racked up a HUGE medical bill) says, “Pleefer, I don’t agree with what you’re saying, a man is only as good as his word, and you gave your word that you’d pay bill”. I said, “I understand well your point, my friend, and I agree wholeheartedly with you. I’d never “cheat” a friend or reneg on a deal that was valid”.
He agreed with my individual points about the bailout, the false contracts and the coldness of the banks taking advantage of all of us little peoples’ economic woes. If it had been any other time and people were falling off of their mortgages, it would be different. But the “economic woes” are being blamed on “the housing bubble” and that’s just a blatent fugging lie. The economic woes are the complete fault of the derivatives market, the gambling and swindling of the Wall Street devils and the Ponzi scheme which is our false monetary system is coming home to roost. This countrys’ creditor’s are calling the loans to us. So WE’RE ALL “insane”, Linda.
By the way, do you know who’s going to pay for my friends’ medical bills (that are gargutuan)? Me and you and Nathaniel. He already told me that, “he’s going to let them pay for it”.
“Them”. He’s going to let “them” pay the bill’s.
Don’t fugging talk to me about insanity.
This is the real problem in Israel. Iran is backing Hamas, and they are working overtime on nuclear weapons. Anyone who believes otherwise is fooling only themselves. My fear is Iran will use them on Israel, if given half a chance. That is totally unacceptable under any conditions:
US rejected an Israeli request to attack Iran.
In an effort to sabotage Iran’s suspected nuclear weapons program, Israeli officials sent a secret request to the White House last year for specialized bombs to attack Iran’s main nuclear complex, The New York Times reported.
President Bush deflected Israel’s request and his administration expressed alarm about the idea of an Israeli jet flying over Iraq to reach Iran’s only known uranium enrichment site.
Bush told the Israeli officials that he had already authorized covert actions against Iran’s nuclear program and the Israelis backed off their plans. The request may have been an attempt by Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to goad the White House into action before Bush left office.
oopppps . . . forgot link:
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/US_rejected_Israeli_request_to_attack_0110.html
BlueJay
Posted January 11, 2009 at 10:48 am | Permalink
Hey X?
Why don’t YOU offer to meet bawks?
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Excellent idea!
Yo, Boxlock, Would you care to do lunch sometime? My treat.
We are so gullible Iran finds technical exports from the US to be no problem using “fronts”. All it takes is money. Sure the same happens with other countries like China and the Euros. Iran supports terrorists and they want the bomb, who do they think they are kidding. I say the UN and all those who turn the other check.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28601531/
Now you make sure you tell him X, how it is you said I completely cut his nuts off.
Bawks I mean?
“even hybrids are not a good choice at this point”
I don’t understand the above statement. My 2003 (yep 6 year old technology) Honda Civic Hybrid is averaging 44 MPG. The Toyota Prius is even higher today.
If we mandated 40 MPG EPA standards for ALL new cars, you would see American auto manufactures building “real” gas saving hybrid cars. Instead, congress gave them until 2022 to meet 35 MPG “fleet average”.
You may not like my small hybrid – but if everyone in America was driving them, we would DOUBLE fuel economy, drastically reduce the greenhouse gases from the autos on our roads – and the freaking raghead arabs would be eating their sand and terrorists would be back riding camels again.
Again, I although hybrid may not meet some green persons “ideal” solution for all the worlds problems – but we have the technology NOW to cut our vehicle consumption in half.
Where there’s a will…….
“Iran is backing Hamas, and they are working overtime on nuclear weapons.”
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Since bush’s war of choice strengthened Iran, does this reduce the amount of support America is expected to give Israel in the future? Have we already gone over and above what was expected? Did we contribute enough to allow the entire Middle East to be blown away? /sarcasm
BTW, you can buy a foreign built fuel efficient vehicle (Toyota or Honda) over 44 MPG for the low 20’s. Perhaps those with the big SUV’s could buy two for the price of one of their gas guzzlers.
Sigh… “moderation” again?
What, was it that I tried a link?
ANYwho, AP has named Tina Fey entertainer of the year! Good on ya Tina!
Amway, I couldn’t agree more. It amazes me how people can rag on high-mileage cafe standards while supporting anti terrorism to the point of war. I think one of the things that really ticks me off is our soldiers dying via weapons we payed for via importing oil from terrorist countries. How freakin’ stupid is that?
American_Way posted January 11, 2009 at 11:08 am
“even hybrids are not a good choice at this point”
I don’t understand the above statement.
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bigotbawks wrote it — enough said.
“. My fear is Iran will use them on Israel,….President Bush deflected Israel’s request….”
Dang Walker sound like Bush was damn if he did and damned if he didn’t. You libs would be calling him a war monger and crying about him “expanding” the war in the middleeast (something libs have already been doing).
Regarding Iran bombing Isreal: What would you do? Attack? Ba-Humbug! You didn’t think we should attack Iraq because there was no evidence of WMD now you souund blood thirsty to the same thing in Iran?
Let’s be consistent in our hatred for Bush, can you?
lindainks55
Posted January 11, 2009 at 10:30 am | Permalink
Powerful Solar Storm Could Shut Down U.S. for Months
“The race is on for better forecasting abilities, as the next peak in solar activity is expected to come around 2012.
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Strangely enough, the Mayan calendar ends Dec 21, 2012. Some think that may mean the end of the world.
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lindainks55
Posted January 11, 2009 at 11:09 am | Permalink
“Iran is backing Hamas, and they are working overtime on nuclear weapons.”
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Since bush’s war of choice strengthened Iran, does this reduce the amount of support America is expected to give Israel in the future? Have we already gone over and above what was expected? Did we contribute enough to allow the entire Middle East to be blown away? /sarcasm
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Linda, even without the United States involvement, the middle east would be on an explosive trip. What would have happened if Kuwait was left as is after Iraq invaded? I have a feeling other middle east countries would have started a major war over the whole thing. Iraq might not even exist today.
Pleefer,
My deal seems plenty “valid” to me. I have a house, the bank loaned me the money and I paid it back. Both the bank and I did what we agreed to do.
I still don’t understand why a sane person who didn’t stand up to their end of the agreement would question the bank’s right to foreclose.
If your agreement didn’t clearly spell out the consequences of not making payments, then you need to take that up with appropriate authorities.
“Powerful Solar Storm Could Shut Down ”
You can go to Space Weather dot com and sign up for alerts on solar flares, so you can go into your fallout shelter in time.
On the positive side, I like the Aurora Alerts as I am fascinated by the northern lights. If we get some good solar activity, we can sometimes see the Northern Lights here in Kansas (I have on a number of occassions). You might also consider a trip to northern Ontario, or Alaska to see this awesome sight.
http://www.spaceweather.com/
Info re solar storms,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_storm
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BlueJay
Posted January 11, 2009 at 11:07 am | Permalink
Now you make sure you tell him X, how it is you said I completely cut his nuts off.
Bawks I mean?
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BJ, I suppose I said that before I realized you were going to attack the guy daily and drag the assault out forever. It’s getting old. I’m starting to sympathize with Boxlock.
Maybe you should try posting some issues instead of the constant personal attacks on other bloggers.
Just my opinion.
“we appear to be leaving solar minimum behind and beginning the slow ascent to Solar Max in 2011-2013.”
(which by the way, is another natural event much like the coming and going of the ice ages…)
Plan a trip north! At least sign up for automatic email alerts.
http://spaceweatherphone.com/
“Don’t fugging talk to me about insanity.” — Pleefer
I promise to try my best not to, and I’m really good at both keeping my promises and ignoring posts / posters when I choose to.
This should be the last post you’ll ever need to worry about from me to you. One method I’ve found to be really successful in my goal of controlling my desire to respond is to simply not read certain ‘nics.’
“I still don’t understand why a sane person who didn’t stand up to their end of the agreement would question the bank’s right to foreclose.”
Well, there are all sorts of stories out there. Unless you have ever been put to the street it is probably not fair to judge.
There’s a house a few down from my Mom’s. Recently, the woman and her children were evicted.
The house is still sitting empty. The woman and her kids sometimes sit for hours on end in the driveway looking at it. Until a busybody neighbor calls the cops and they shoo her away to ?
And the house still sits empty.
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American_Way
Posted January 11, 2009 at 11:15 am | Permalink
“. My fear is Iran will use them on Israel,….President Bush deflected Israel’s request….”
Dang Walker sound like Bush was damn if he did and damned if he didn’t. You libs would be calling him a war monger and crying about him “expanding” the war in the middleeast (something libs have already been doing).
Regarding Iran bombing Isreal: What would you do? Attack? Ba-Humbug! You didn’t think we should attack Iraq because there was no evidence of WMD now you souund blood thirsty to the same thing in Iran?
Let’s be consistent in our hatred for Bush, can you?
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WTF was that? Where in any of it did I even suggest I disagreed with Bush over any of the middle east/Israeli problem? My bad for not dividing the raw story post and my comments, but even that does not deserve your crap.
I have stated over and over my support for Israel. I know if Israel decides to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities, they will have to fly over Iraq, and that’s not an option: they will have to coordinate the whole thing with us, should intelligence show Iran in a launch routine. If it does come to that, the world’s in trouble.
I suggest you start reading what people write prior to shooting first, and disregarding questions. This is the second time in two days, reg being the other. Can I conclude, then, that cons can’t read? That seems to be the way you cons conclude we think.
As for Iraq: Cheney already admitted they knew there were probably no WMD. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/16/cheney-wmd-iraq/
Aw he’s the one drags it out X.
If you’re starting to sympathize with him?
Outta politeness, I think I’ll leave it there.
Does Islam state that the muslims not only should be willing to fight and die in holy wars to recover their (supposedly theirs) land – but also be willing to drop nuclear bombs on their holy sites in Israel?
Seems to me dropping the bomb would run counter the Islamic call for Israel destruction. The goal is to rid the middle east of jews – not to make the land unuseable for 1,000 years….
Additionally, Iran will face Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) when it gets the bomb and thinks about using it….
I think the bomb is needed to assure Iran political power and recognition and assure their own defense. I’m not so sure Iran will use it.
Of course, the rationale we should destroy them before they destroy us – was once called “first strike” theory. It’s gone like the domino theory if you ask me.
Like all the other countries with A Bombs, there is nothing militarily we can do to stop it. Short of destroying mother earth, which would really be a boon for the global warming.
You are correct in your last post Walker. I shot first. Sorta like a first strike.
I did “assume” you were with those who had beat up Bush on the Iran issue the last couple of years.
Sorry about that one.
But I don’t side with Israel, or the Palestinians.
“Well, there are all sorts of stories out there. Unless you have ever been put to the street it is probably not fair to judge.”
BlueJay,
You know I would probably have that woman and her kids living in my house. And yes I see the irony of them being homeless while the house sits empty. I still don’t think the existence of poor people who desperately need a hand up means the person who owns the house doesn’t have rights, and that we all have responsibilities and should expect consequences.
I’ll make a bigger effort to not be judgmental. I said something that made you think I am, so I’ll work on it!
Well that’s all I ask Linda.
Protestations to the contrary, it is a mean and cold country we live in. Too many injustices go on and too many bad things happen while folks just take it for “that’s the way it is”.
BlueJay
Posted January 11, 2009 at 11:33 am | Permalink
Aw he’s the one drags it out X.
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From your first post on this thread:
“I want a description on what such a person looks like. I have my own ideas. But as a liberal I am ever looking to better understand from under what rock some folks come.”
Sounds like a personal attack to me. And unprovoked. Boxlock hasn’t even mentioned you on this thread.
It aint me looks to make nice with those folks X.
Testing…
Google: Jerome Daly
Read about his case, understand the court ruling, try and grasp it and its implications.
I’ve put up two seperate posts with links and both have never even shown up. Not even “awaiting moderation”. Oh well.
There will be a revolution, enough people understand now. Or as you think, dear Linda, there are enough “insane” people out here to start quite a fruckus.
BlueJay,
I’ve tried to stay out of this. I’ve stated that you kept your word and for that you are the one to be trusted as honest.
The constant and unrelenting retelling is getting silly — on both sides. If one person stops the other is left looking even sillier. So, my recommendation is you attempt to be the person who stops.
There I go being judgmental again just after I said I would try harder. I have always been way too human.
Don’t we all have ample public figures to cuss and discuss? They will have greater influence our our lives than what any of our posts will have.
“Google: Jerome Daly”
Hey! I heard on the Sunday Morning news that using google is bad for the environment. Burns as much energy as running automobiles or some such thing.
I didn’t make that up!
“So, my recommendation is you attempt to be the person who stops.”
To dream … the impossible dream …
To fight … the unbeatable foe …
To bear … with unbearable sorrow …
To run … where the brave dare not go …
To right … the unrightable wrong …
To love … pure and chaste from afar …
To try … when your arms are too weary …
To reach … the unreachable star …
This is my quest, to follow that star …
No matter how hopeless, no matter how far …
To fight for the right, without question or pause …
To be willing to march into Hell, for a Heavenly cause …
I promise to read about it later Pleef.
The mistake (my take) that you make is in seeing government as an enemy. It’s the Republicans that have made government …broken.
I KNOW, you dislike the idea of collective. But what sort of country do we have if we do not care for and help one another? Take a look around and see.
Maybe “The Credit River Decision” is a better term to Google.
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi/noframes/read/113358
Oh well, my “usefulness” is pretty much over on here.
Good luck folks.
“they [isreal] will have to coordinate the whole thing with us, should intelligence show Iran in a launch routine”
And Mr. Walker I strongly disagree. If some other country is going to drop a nuclear bomb and incenerate hundreds of thousands of people – I hope they do NOT coordinate their attack with the USA…
Israel should stand on their own two legs.
Because “if” Iran should decide to “launch” nuclear weapons, the impact is a matter of maybe twenty minutes from launch?
There will be no time for political discussion and establishment of attack routes. Isreal needs to get themselves some air refuelers – perhaps build in Kansas, as well as a few AWAC planes.
If “THEY” want to attack another nation unprovoked, let them.
Putting our nose in the middle east has been a personal hobby of American presidents since the 1950’s. It must be written in the desktop procedures or daily routine for presidents:
1. Make a public statement in support of Israel
2. Make a statement we will make it OUR responsibility to make peace in the middleeast
3. Take a picture of both sides shaking hands
4. Pat yourself on the bat for solving the middleeast issue.
5. When fighting restarts GOTO NUMBER 1 and continue.
Good stuff on the moon as usual JWink. You’re handier than a Farmer’s Almanac.
build=built
bat=back
My fingers are faster than my thinking.
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BlueJay
Posted January 11, 2009 at 11:54 am | Permalink
It aint me looks to make nice with those folks X.
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Obviously not and that’s your prerogative. However, the war is over for the time-being and it’s time now to manage the aftermath.
I don’t hate Republicans. It is my hope that they will join us to help solve the huge problems we as a nation face.
You need to remember that Republicans are Americans, too. Just because they’re out of power for the time-being doesn’t mean you get to whip them or mistreat them. If our government and president don’t represent all Americans, then it’s failed.
I offer this from a poster I greatly respect:
lindainks55
Posted January 11, 2009 at 12:03 pm | Permalink
BlueJay,
I’ve tried to stay out of this. I’ve stated that you kept your word and for that you are the one to be trusted as honest.
The constant and unrelenting retelling is getting silly — on both sides. If one person stops the other is left looking even sillier. So, my recommendation is you attempt to be the person who stops.
Great advice from a great lady.
Google will have to charge us a carbon tax for each search. It’s only right you know.
“Performing two Google searches from a desktop computer can generate about the same amount of carbon dioxide as boiling a kettle for a cup of tea, according to new research.
While millions of people tap into Google without considering the environment, a typical search generates about 7g of CO2 Boiling a kettle generates about 15g. “Google operates huge data centres around the world that consume a great deal of power,” said Alex Wissner-Gross, a Harvard University physicist whose research on the environmental impact of computing is due out soon. “A Google search has a definite environmental impact.”
http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article5489134.ece
“we estimate that the total daily searches across all engines is 570.4 million” Google
7g of CO2 x 570.4 million = 3,992,800,000g/15 =
266,186,666.66666666666666666666667
Wow, that’s a lot of tea.
“the war is over for the time-being..”
The cons don’t seem to think so.
Neither do I.
I completely agree with you on taking care of one another, Blue Jay.
I just don’t want the double standard’s anymore.
I don’t encourage anyone to vandalise anything, destruction of property is abhorrent to me. But when it’s treated as “the way things are” to destroy someone else’s so-called “American Dream” and to then capitalize on it? It (the thinking) deserves to be treated with contempt and needs to be destroyed.
So-called Christians are the first to cite Jesus but the last to actually understand what He was saying and to actually follow through with it. THAT is why I despise “Christianity”. Not for the teachings but for the vast proportion of participant’s. They do what they want, “knowing” that they are forgiven. Well nothing is for free.
The Lakota Tribe seceded and trashed the already waay broken US treaty.
It’s old news but my interest in it has just been rekindled:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Descendants_of_Sitting_Bull_Crazy_Horse_1220.html
And Blue Jay, I’m not against the collective, I know that it would have to be on a small scale. I’m for helping anyone out, I just don’t want to feel as though it’s being stolen from me. I want the idea of private property to stand. I don’t believe that what’s yours is mine and what’s mine is yours. There has to be some boundary. I think the idea of a group or many small groups living and cooperating together is a grand idea and the way God meant it (God meaning whatever you think it means, for me, it’s being one with God, not competing with it/Him).
Oh well, I’m rambling on and making everyone around here all mad and stuff. I should and probably will leave this blog to its own devices. I just honestly think I’m helping. Obviously, I’m not.
bigotbawks posted January 11, 2009 at 10:42 am
Monkey,
Are you saying that because this was published in Pravda that it has no value. Seem pretty darn presumptuous to me for a self professed thinking individual, oh excuse me, for the oxymoron of you as a thinking individual.
As much as I dislike the Russian government lets not forget they are quite sophisticated technologically and scientifically.
Don’t be as gullible as comatose, it’s not very becoming.
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bigotbawks,
Who is Gregory F. Fegel, the author of your “Russian government” column. And what are his scientific credentials. The Pravda column lists only his name.
He seems to be an AGW denier who lives in Portland Oregon. Is that correct?
A hero:
http://www.russellmeans.com/
XXX
Thanks for the invitation XXX, someday I just may take you up on it but not for now, and I can buy lunch if we ever do, but thank you.
There are some really disturbed folks posting and lurking here, and the reason the Eagle is very straight forward about maintaining anonymity.
I am not concerned with your sanity at all and I mean that. Not so with BlowJay or a few of the others, and maintaining anonymity from them is…shall we say ‘nice’, and the prudent thing to do. BlowJay is certifiably mentally ill I think.
Besides, as I have expressed here before, any reasoning person weighs the benefit/risk ratio before doing anything. Whether that applies to investments, relationships, meet-ups, lunches whatever. I would evaluate that for all involved not just myself.
There was absolutely nothing of benefit available for me by meeting someone like BlowJ, and any benefit BlowJ perceived from it was only a fallacy floating in his twisted immature reasoning.
BlowJ is the one initiating this, that is reason enough to graciously decline your offer, but thank you. I would have, and did, ignore BlowJ’s initial challenges to “meet at noon in Dillion’s parking lot” (doesn’t that sound like a line out of a spaghetti western), but he just kept it up and then cried “coward” until I decided to let him go and stand in the cold to think about it. I have no obligation to do anything BlowJ requests and won’t, neither do I have an obligation to listen to all the ‘Pelosi’ in his posts. He can claim what he likes about me, or what he did to me, but the fact remains, and anyone with any level of maturity will quickly realize this, that he was the one making the challenges to meet under adversarial conditions, with no clear objective that he made clear other than threats, and for me to respect that, or responded by meeting him under those conditions, would have placed me in the same class of imbeciles he occupies.
XXX, ya know something else that occurred to me while that was going on? I am a CCW holder, if I have no more common sense or maturity than to meet an anonymous blogger, as repulsive as BlowJ, in a public parking lot over an argument online, over my posts direct to him and his vulgar les/bian friend he is trying to impress, then I certainly can’t be trusted to carry a firearm in public. No….I would rather move away from a situation than run headlong into it, and I can certainly take BlowJays taunts and criticisms, and anyone elses here as well, to do what I know is right. I won’t be tempted by childish asinine challenges.
Again thanks for the lunch invitation, maybe later.
Boxlock, I understand. My offer stands and there’s no threat implied or intended. I’ve had the pleasure of meeting several Conservatives from this blog and I hope someday I can add you to my list of new friends.
XXX
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Another reason why there’s no such thing as “clean” coal.
http://devilstower.dailykos.com/
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BlueJay
Posted January 11, 2009 at 12:49 pm | Permalink
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X..
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“He seems to be an AGW denier who lives in Portland Oregon. Is that correct?”—comatose
Refute what is presented, not the man personally. Or are you forgetting your own advice?
And don’t give us your worn out and over used statement that you have refuted several times before.
You haven’t this one.
Amway, I think you either don’t know, or have forgotten, we have an agreement with Israel that states if Israel is attacked, we are required to support them in any ways necessary. That includes invading other countries to the point of nuclear weapons. Abrogating that agreement would involve an act of congress. If you don’t want us supporting Israel, I suggest you write your congresspersons.
Thank you, XXX. I appreciate your confidence and kind words.
Thank you, BlueJay. I appreciate your confidence and lack of words.
;-)
pleefer: After the Little Big Horn, Sitting Bull headed north for refuge where his group was met by two Mounties and was told he could enter Canada if he pledged to keep the peace. He did, however there was not enough hunting area to support a new nation without hurting the northern Sioux like the Crow, the Blackfoot and Sarceee, so he eventually headed south again after negotating terms with Uncle Sam. Uncle Sam never kept his word…..
bigotbawks posted January 11, 2009 at 1:05 pm
And don’t give us your worn out and over used statement that you have refuted several times before.
You haven’t this one.
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Oh. . . I see.
Refuting falsehoods only applies to the specific column that the falsehoods have appeared. Each time the same falsehoods appear in a DIFFERENT column, I am required to refute those same falsehoods again.
Over and over and over and over and over and over . . . again.
Hey XXX!
Do you want me to make again, for your “friend”, the same points that I have made many, many times before?
* Milankovich cycles are far too weak to cause all of the observed warming (and cooling). CO2 amplified the warming (and cooling) caused by the Milankovich cycles.
* The cooling in 2007/2008 was caused by a strong La Nina, and a solar minimum. That temporary cooling does not signal the end of AGW.
XXX, will your “friend” ask me to post that AGAIN, after he posts a different column, with the SAME falsehoods
And does your “friend” NOT understand this statement in his scientific “Russian government” column, written by someone in Oregon?
“First, they apply only to the natural component of future climatic trends – and not to anthropogenic effects such as those due to the burning of fossil fuels.”
Sursum, you are indeed correct.
Like a man is only as good as his word, so to his nation.
I want my country back. I want to live how we ought live.
I want “treaties” and agreements to be valid. We The People are so uneducated (by design) and history has been rewritten so much that we’re about to finally lose everything and we don’t even have the education enough to grasp or understand it. We’re taught that “that’s how things are, that’s life”. And that we just have to accept it. Not anymore.
Somewhere, and at sometime (soon enough) good will make a stand. Now as trite or stupid as that may sound, it is happening and will be very painful for those that want to maintain this corrupt and evil situation. It’s not just them blacks or indians that are getting screwed, it’s all of us. We ok’d all of this crap long enough to have it come back on top of us. And we all deserve every bit of it…until we change it.
There is a storm-a-brewin’.
* The cooling in 2007/2008 was caused by a strong La Nina, and a solar minimum. That temporary cooling does not signal the end of AGW.
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Yeah…
This would explain why they are freezing their butts off in Eurasia in one of the coldest winters on record. (rolls eyes)
Or, that cosmos and his AGW alarmist agenda is just flat out wrong, which it is.
‘comatose’ drones on again and again, ad nauseum….yawn…yawn….
Regular posted January 11, 2009 at 1:47 pm
This would explain why they are freezing their butts off in Eurasia in one of the coldest winters on record. (rolls eyes)
Or, that cosmos and his AGW alarmist agenda is just flat out wrong, which it is.
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Awwww. . . poor little Regular wants some soup.
Sorry Regular, you have to wait until after the end of Nov. 2009, for the 2009 average global temperature data sets.
And poor little bigotbawks waits for his new friend XXX to help him.
You’re welcome linda.
Hey ‘comatose’, until your AGW starts kicking in remember….don’t lick anymore flagpoles. :p
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cosmos_originally
Posted January 11, 2009 at 1:35 pm | Permalink
Hey XXX!
Do you want me to make again, for your “friend”, the same points that I have made many, many times before?
XXX, will your “friend” ask me to post that AGAIN, after he posts a different column, with the SAME falsehoods
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Actually Cosmos, I want you to leave me out of this BS. I have a position on GW, but I don’t see any sense in discussing it here. Since there’s no way of proving one way or another, why waste the time and bandwidth?
I have studiously avoided this argument and will continue to do so.
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cosmos_originally
Posted January 11, 2009 at 1:58 pm | Permalink
And poor little bigotbawks waits for his new friend XXX to help him.
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Cosmos, does it bother you that I can get along with either side?
Notice that I’ve never treated you with disrespect. Is it too much to expect the same from you?
Receive in an email so could not post link
I think that I see some errors. I have not checked if the facts are correct.
I believe that the Arabs MUST have more rewards than listed in the email. DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THEY DO?
Posted for comments:
The Jews and the Arabs – Interesting point of view.
The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000 ONE BILLION TWO
HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world’s population.
They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
Literature:
1988 – Najib Mahfooz
Peace:
1978 – Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1994 – Yaser Arafat:
1990 – Elias James Corey
1999 – Ahmed Zewai
Economics: (zero)
Physics: (zero)
Medicine:
1960 – Peter Brian Medawar
1998 – Ferid Mourad
TOTAL: 7 SEVEN
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The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000 — Only FOURTEEN
MILLION
or about 0.02% of the world’s population.
They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
Literature:
1910 – Paul Heyse
1927 – Henri Bergson
1958 – Boris Pa sternak
1966 – Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 – Nelly Sachs
1976 – Saul Bellow
1978 – Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 – Elias Canetti
1987 – Joseph Brodsky
1991 – Nadine Gordimer World
Peace:
1911 – Alfred Fried
1911 – Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 – Rene Cassin
1973 – Henry Kissinger
1978 – Menachem Begin
1986 – Elie Wiesel
1994 – Shimon Peres
1994 – Yitzhak Rabin
Physics:
1905 – Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 – Henri Moissan
1907 – Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 – Gabriel Lippmann
1910 – Otto Wallach
1915 – Richard Willstaetter
1918 – Fritz Haber
1921 – Albert Einstein
1922 – Niels Bohr
1925 – James Franck
1925 – Gustav Hertz
1943 – Gustav Stern
1943 – George Charles de Hevesy
1944 – Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 – Felix Bloch
1954 – Max Born
1958 – Igor Tamm
1959 – Emilio Segre
1960 – Don ald A. Glaser
1961 – Robert Hofstadter
1961 – Melvin Calvin
1962 – Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 – Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 – Richard Phil lips Feynman
1965 – Julian Schwinger
1969 – Murray Gell-Mann
1971 – Dennis Gabor
1972 – William Howard Stein
1973 – Brian David Joseph son
1975 – Benjamin Mottleson
1976 – Burton Richter
1977 – Ilya Prigogine
1978 – Arno Allan Penzias
1978 – Peter L Kapitza
1979 – Stephen Weinberg
1979 – Sheldon Glashow
1979 – Herbert Charles Brown
1980 – Paul Berg
1980 – Walter Gilbert
1981 – Roald Hoffmann
1982 – Aaron Klug
1985 – Albert A. Hauptman
1985 – Jerome Karle
1986 – Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 – Robert Huber
1988 – Leon Lederman
1988 – Melvin Schwartz
1988 – Jack Steinberger
1989 – Sidney Altman
1990 – Jerome Friedman
1992 – Rudolph Marcus
1995 – Martin Perl
2000 – Alan J. Heeger
Economics:
1970 – Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 – Simon Kuznets
1972 – Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 – Leonid Kantorovich
1976 – Mil ton Friedman
1978 – Herb ert A. Simon
1980 – Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 – Franco Modigliani
1987 – Robert M. Solow
1990 – Harry Markowitz
1 990 – Merton Miller
1992 – Gary Becker
1993 – Robert Fogel
Medicine:
1908 – Elie Metchnikoff
1908 – Paul Erlich
1914 – Robert Barany
1922 – Otto Meyerhof
1930 – Karl Landsteiner
1931 – Otto Warburg
1936 – Otto Loewi
1944 – Joseph Erlanger
1944 – Herb ert Spencer Gasser
1945 – Ernst Boris Chain
1946 – Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 – Tadeus Reichstein
1952 – Selman Abra ham Waksman
1953 – Hans Krebs
1953 – Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 – Joshua Lederberg
1959 – Arthur Kornberg
1964 – Konrad Bloch
1965 – Francois Jacob
1965 – Andre Lwoff
1967 – George Wald
1968 – Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 – Salvador Luria
1970 – Julius Axelrod
1970 – Sir Bernard Katz
1972 – Gerald Maurice Ed elman
1975 – Howard Martin Temin
1976 – Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 – Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 – Daniel Nathans
1980 – Baruj Benacerraf
1984 – Cesar Milstein
1985 – Michael Stuart Brown
1985 – Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 – Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 – Gertrude Elion
1989 – Harold Varmus
1991 – Erwin Neher
1991 – Bert Sakmann
1993 – Richard J. Roberts
1993 – Phillip Sharp
1994 – Alfred Gilman
1995 – Ed ward B. Lewis
TOTAL: 129 ONE HUNDRED TWENTY NINE!
The Jews are NOT promoting brain washing children in military training
camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews
and other non Muslims!
The Jews don’t hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or blow
themselves up in German restaurants. There is NOT one single Jew that has
destroyed a church. There is NOT a single Jew that protests by killing people.
The Jews don’t traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death
to all the Infidels.
Perhaps the world’s Muslims should consider investing more in standard
education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.
Muslims must ask ‘what can they do for humankind’ before they demand that
humankind respects them!!
Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the
Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on
Israel ’s part, the following two sentences really say it all:
If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence.
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel’
-Benjamin Netanyahu
Thought-provoking, eh?
Yes, I agree with you angle, we should just exterminate the Arabs as they have done nothing to promote anything of value in this World. And God will love us a lot more if we do too! So it would be a win-win!
I believe that not only arabs, but really all of the violent and filthy brown people.
We desparately need a White World to save it.
God is with us.
My thoughts are provoked and I’m finally “getting it” myself. I need to apologize to all of you on here. I keep spewing this crap on here, whenall along I’ve known who the real enemy’s are, all of those other than The Jewish themselves and the Goyim.
Thank you God, for making me white!
It’s getting hot in herr…
http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/106922-earth_ice_age-0
Pleefer posted January 11, 2009 at 3:47 pm
It’s getting hot in herr…
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Congratulations Pleefer.
You posted the same link as bigotbawks posted at 9:46 am.
According to bigotbawks, it represents the “Russian government”, because it was written by Gregory F. Fegel, who seems to live in Portland Oregon.
And it contains the same old falsehoods that I have refuted over and over again on this blog.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/01/open-thread-0111/#comment-501454
‘Global Cooling: Deliberate lies or abject stupidity?‘
http://www.desmogblog.com/global-cooling-deliberate-lies-or-abject-stupidity
This also applies to the Pravda column written by Gregory F. Fegel (Oregon?), posted by bigotbawks and Pleefer.
http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/ambler-huffs-and-puffs-but-mostly-he-just-blows/
“Ambler: ” it turns out that there is an 800-year lag between temperature and carbon dioxide“
Actually the CO2 lag was predicted before it was discovered.
http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1990/1990_Lorius_etal.pdf
If Ambler actually knew the science he would realize that one thing that they would have had trouble explaining is if there was no lag … he has it backwards.
[four other links]
* The lag between temperature and CO2
* ‘CO2 doesn’t lead, it lags’
* Discussion: A role for atmospheric CO2 in preindustrial climate forcing
* Mind prisons and prisms: CO2 lag and Global Warming “
Earth on the Brink of an Ice Age
http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/106922-earth_ice_age-0
From Nathan
RightAngle
Posted January 11, 2009 at 3:27 pm | Permalink
…
Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on Israel ’s part, the following two sentences really say it all:
If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence.
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel.
Thought-provoking, eh?
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Yes, and the thought that’s provoked is “what a goofy email.”
This email if written 150 years ago about the Great Plains Indians and non-native Americans’ ideas about manifest destiny could engender a very similar reaction on the part of a reader.
Had the Indians put down their weapons there would be no violence, had the settlers put down theirs there would be no more settlers. I think most fair minded people would agree, though, that the Native American p.o.v. is severely shortchanged in such an analysis – just as the Palestinian p.o.v. is shortchanged in a simple-minded trope such as you’ve presented.
Something that’s always missing from discussions here about Israel and Gaza is a sense of balance. Most everybody tends to take one side or another with little thought about the viewpoint of the opposition.
For example, your post makes Israel appear clearly morally superior, in every way, to any Arab cultures surrounding them yada yada yada. It’s as if Israel has never done any wrong…which can’t be true. No nation is perfect, especially a nation born of the Holocaust and currently living in a viper pit like the Middle East.
Also, is there no aspect of life where Arab thought is preferred over that of Israel? Or the West? If with no study you can unequivocally answer “yes” than I would submit your opinion on Gaza today doesn’t amount to a hill of beans. It’s worthless because it lacks all perspective.
Here’s an example of Israel behaving badly. Anybody know about the USS Liberty in 1967? Read this and you may learn something.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
Israel says, Burn, babies, burn!
JERUSALEM – Human Rights Watch said Sunday that Israel’s military has fired artillery shells with the incendiary agent white phosphorus into Gaza and a doctor there said the chemical was suspected in the case of 10 burn victims who had skin peeling off their faces and bodies.
Researchers in Israel from the rights group witnessed hours of artillery bombardments that sent trails of burning smoke indicating white phosphorus over the Jebaliya refugee camp in northern Gaza. But they could not confirm injuries on the ground because they have been barred from entering the territory.
Hank posted January 11, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Earth on the Brink of an Ice Age
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Congratulations Hank!
You posted the same link as bigotbawks posted at 9:46 am.
And Pleefer posted at 3:47 pm
According to bigotbawks, it represents the “Russian government”, because it was written by Gregory F. Fegel, who seems to live in Portland Oregon.
And it contains the same old falsehoods that I have refuted over and over again on this blog.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/01/open-thread-0111/#comment-501454
More debunking of the Pravda column at 4:33 and 4:41 pm
And isn’t it great that outlander’s post, by Harold ‘carbon dizero’ Ambler, won a award.
‘Skeptic of the Week
The award for most skeptic arguments in a single article over the past 7 days goes to:’
http://www.skepticalscience.com/article.php?a=2240
Mr. Gore: Apology Accepted
* Climate’s changed before
* Hockey stick was debunked
* CO2 lags temperature
* Models are unreliable
* Water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas
* It’s Pacific Decadal Oscillation
* It’s the ocean
* It’s the sun
* It’s cosmic rays
* We’re heading into an ice age”
* It’s volcanoes (or lack thereof)
* Arctic icemelt is a natural cycle
* Antarctica is cooling/gaining ice ”
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outlander sure knows how to pick great losers. /reality ON
Pedant, I knew about the Liberty. From the words of President Johnson, “I want that goddam ship going to the bottom, recall the birds” (speaking of the good folks in the Navy brass sending fighter’s to help).
BTW, Presidential nominee, John McCains’ father Admiral John McCain is complicit in the attacks against The USS Liberty.
http://www.gtr5.com/
Looks to me like RA’s Nobel prize waste of bandwidth is nothing but a red herring….
I’ll be glad when December 21, 2012 gets here.
I found an interesting Link . . . . [ http://www.live-tv-bar.com/index.php?mid=13 ] if you see the menu on the Left hand side of this site .. and scroll down till you see “News” .. at the bottom of that section .. you’ll see a link called “Ramattan – Israel” ( Palestinian News Agency ) . . . . that link will take you to — 24/7 no-interrupted – audio and visual – of the Gaza sky-line .. where the battle is taking place
cosmos_originally
Posted January 11, 2009 at 5:10 pm | Permalink
And isn’t it great that outlander’s post, by Harold ‘carbon dizero’ Ambler, won a award.
‘Skeptic of the Week
The award for most skeptic arguments in a single article over the past 7 days goes to:
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So? The award isn’t science, it’s journalism.
Nothing to see here folks, move along.
Talk about some conspiracy theory nutjob stuff. The liberty?
What next? Are you going to tell us all that you had an anal probe from the little green men?
That last post we me.
Nathan
Excellent post RightAngle, January 11, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Very revealing fact in the number of Nobel Prizes won by Jews. Very very fruitful people.
“You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?” Matthew 7:16
“Nothing to see here folks, move along.”
So sayeth Regular…
Maybe somebody finds it interesting. Are you vying for BlogMonitor’s job?
Isn’t ‘journalism’ how many often hear what’s going on? Isn’t ‘journalism’ supposed to be credible?
Didn’t the myans hand carve that thing into stone?
Something tells me that the only reason it ends when it does is because they probably died off before they could carve any more…
Bah, me again. Nathan
“According to bigotbawks, it represents the “Russian government”, because it was written by Gregory F. Fegel, who seems to live in Portland Oregon.”–the ‘comatose’ one
Stop lying comatose! I never said anything of the kind as I recall. Why don’t you spend the rest of the evening looking though.
I simply said the Russian’s are quite technologically and scientifically advanced, even if they have a despicable government system, and the article was published in Russia Pravda
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lindainks55
Posted January 11, 2009 at 6:18 pm | Permalink
Isn’t ‘journalism’ how many often hear what’s going on? Isn’t ‘journalism’ supposed to be credible
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Aye fair lass, but there’s the rub.
cosmos is constantly harping on that science be used to prove or disprove AGW.
In this instance, cosmos failed his own ’science’ test and did indeed bring his salt to rub in his own wound.
…move along now…
“Talk about some conspiracy theory nutjob stuff. The liberty?
What next? Are you going to tell us all that you had an anal probe from the little green men?”-HLP
You’re going to deny that the US flag was flying high on that ship and that the Israeli pilot’s couldn’t tell that it was an American flag?
You are fugging stupid, aren’t you?
What a dumb azz. For real, you are stupid. No, for real, let me reiterate it, you’re a hopelessly, braindead dumb azz.
with love, pleefer
I’m out of here.
God help you all, because no one else will or should.
Pray for brains.
On the whole, the evidence indicates that
model trends in the troposphere are very likely inconsistent
with observations that indicate that, since 1979, there
is no significant long-term amplification factor relative to
the surface. If these results continue to be supported, then
future projections of temperature change, as depicted in
the present suite of climate models, are likely too high.
In summary, the debate in this field revolves around
the idea of discrepancy in surface and tropospheric
trends in the tropics where vertical convection dominates
heat transfer. Models are very consistent, as this article
demonstrates, in showing a significant difference between
surface and tropospheric trends, with tropospheric temperature
trends warming faster than the surface. What
is new in this article is the determination of a very
robust estimate of the magnitude of the model trends at
each atmospheric layer. These are compared with several
equally robust updated estimates of trends from observations
which disagree with trends from the models.
The last 25 years constitute a period of more complete
and accurate observations and more realistic modelling
efforts. Yet the models are seen to disagree with the
observations. We suggest, therefore, that projections of
future climate based on these models be viewed with
much caution.
http://www.pas.rochester.edu/~douglass/
Cosmos it appears that this credible, peer reviewed scientist with a Phd from MIT disagrees with your view of the models and what they mean.
Can you trump his Phd?
“Pravda” is the official propaganda organ of the Russian government. Its strength is disinformation on behalf of a nation whose economy depends on fossil fuels.
That the CONs have hung today’s thread on “Pravda,” boggles the mind.
You might as well cut-and-post from the Exxon-Mobil in-house newsletter.
Questions for CONs. courtesy of Balloon Juice –
Balloon Juice would like to see posed to the GOP candidates.:
1.) “Would you have sex with a man to stop a terrorist attack?”
2.) “If lowering taxes results in increased revenues then would lowering taxes to zero result in infinite revenues?”
3.) “If you had a time machine, would you travel back in time and abort Bin Laden?”
4.) “Would you torture and kill Jesus to ensure mankind’s salvation? And how does that work?”
5.) “If Russia entered Turkey from the rear would Greece help?”
6.) For Rudy specifically: “How many alimony checks does the sanctity of marriage cost?”
;^)
Monkeyhawk,
Let me be first to ask, “Have you stopped beating your wife?” (giggle)
Or, is this a strawman argument?
So confusing when I try to go beyond what is obviously humor and fun to discover what other ‘takes’ might be.
Although it would be extremely interesting to get the answers from those who won’t see the humor.
So does the President Elect now agree “everyone” means poor people? It includes “middle class”? It includes “upper middle class”? It includes “average income”? We are not just talking about the rich now?
Obama is going to hurt “everyone”?
ABC News Interview
STEPHANOPOULOS: Let me press you on this, at the end of the day, are you really talking about over the course of your presidency some kind of a grand bargain? That you have tax reform, health care reform, entitlement reform, including Social Security and Medicare where everybody in the country is going to have to sacrifice something, accept change for the greater good?
OBAMA: Yes.
STEPHANOPOULOS: And eventually sacrifice from everyone.
OBAMA: Everybody is going to have to give. Everybody is going to have to have some skin in the game.
Linda,
It is a loaded question/complex question logical fallacy.
The strawman argument is where you make an argument against something which was not the actual argument someone was making and you attribute it to them anyhow.
That was me again, Nathan
“It is a loaded question…”
So I was correct in asking if he had stopped beating his wife.
So nathan why do you have to use someone else’s nic at all?
It is easier than logging my dad off and then he wont remember to log me back off if I did anyhow…
Cosmos, quick, I’ve got a bunch of global warming deniers on another thread who say the proof that the earth is cooling is there.
I need some information on something I haven’t been following closely. I need indisputable links.
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HLP
Posted January 11, 2009 at 7:31 pm | Permalink
It is easier than logging my dad off and then he wont remember to log me back off if I did anyhow…
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So, let me get this straight: You post under your dads name because he forgot to log you in under your name, even though he was logged in under his name, but not under yours? I must be in Kansas!!!
Poor deniers.
Human caused global warming is being taught in the schools. There are popular online games where kids can fight polluters and learn to decrease their carbon footprint.
The debate IS over. American lifestyle must change because it is not sustainable and harms the planet. It would be better if we could all do the right thing. BUT, if some continue to resist it may become necessary to use law to better direct behavior.
I need some information on something I haven’t been following closely
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So why the heck are you posting on something you don’t know anything about? Wouldn’t it better to not post about something you don’t know anything about?
Pmomma needs someone to TELL her what to post.
Proof doesn’t get any better than this.
Political Momma is a fraud.
You post under your dads name because he forgot to log you in under your name, even though he was logged in under his name, but not under yours
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Yeah I thought that was sorta strange myself. How longs it take to log out and log on for petes sake?
Rather than trolling…..
Since when does a “fraud” bother to look for information?? You dont seem to, RoaCH!! LOL
Political_mama
Posted January 11, 2009 at 7:32 pm | Permalink
Cosmos, quick
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Here I come to save the day!
Mighty Mouse is on the way!
LoL!
Chas my main man.
I suppose being a preacher and all, other posters, who are uninformed but want to argue a position will check with you when it comes to religion, right?
She is going to post BACK to someone informed with the information given to her by Cosmos.
Cut and paste. There is no knowledge learned. Everyone knows Cosmos has sources – which require R-E-A-D-I-N-G comprehension.
Not, “quick”.
It’s like dumb and dumber, but real!
Chas quick!
I need to post back to a pretend preacher who is arguing he knows about faith and evolution theory in practical greek orthodox church preaching.
Be quick about it, will you! I got em on a thread just WAITING……
Political_mama
Posted January 11, 2009 at 7:32 pm | Permalink
Cosmos, quick
Political_mama
Posted January 11, 2009 at 7:32 pm | Permalink
Cosmos, quick
Political_mama
Posted January 11, 2009 at 7:32 pm | Permalink
Cosmos, quick
Political_mama
Posted January 11, 2009 at 7:32 pm | Permalink
Cosmos, quick
Political_mama
Posted January 11, 2009 at 7:32 pm | Permalink
Cosmos, quick
Political_mama
Posted January 11, 2009 at 7:32 pm | Permalink
Cosmos, quick
Political_mama
Posted January 11, 2009 at 7:32 pm | Permalink
Cosmos, quick
THe Lone Cosmos rides again!
No wait. How about “F” Troop?
Enough TROLL…. back to your bridge!!
Oh for god’s sakes Troll, I can’t know EVERYTHING.
I believe the science is there. I just don’t keep up with it.
Do you think you know everything? That’s pretty pompous of you. When I don’t know the answers, I seek out those who do. That’s smart. I realize why you think that’s funny.
This is about as bad as Israel’s problems with Hamas. Freezing people tend to get a bit ticked off when its only politics keeping them that way:
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Russia gas deal collapses.
n EU-brokered accord on terms for Russia to resume gas supply to Europe collapsed Sunday when Russia accused Ukraine of secretly altering the deal and declared it null and void.
“I am ordering the government not to accept the document signed yesterday,” Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said in televised remarks.
“We are obliged to consider the document signed as null and void.”
The breakdown came as a huge swath of central Europe suffered for a sixth consecutive day from the abupt cut-off of Russian natural gas supply that has left homes without heat and idled factories and schools.
The dispute between ex-Soviet giants Russia and Ukraine over gas payment and prices has presented the EU with one of its worst-ever energy crises and has raised urgent questions about the reliability of supply from Russia.
Medvedev and other senior Russian officials including Prime Minister Vladimir Putin charged that Ukraine had added phrases to the accord already signed by Russia and the EU that eviscerated the accord of its purpose.
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Russia_gas_deal_collapses_01112009.html
About as bad as Israel because they cut off oil?
Not hardly. Try cutting off ALL supplies for a couple of years. See how ticked off YOU’D get!!!!
The tunnels the Israels are complaining about bring in FOOD, FUEL, water, and lot’s of supplies. Not just a few rockets.
And the world does nothing. Let’s the peole of Gaza and their elected government starve.
Glad you caught the article JMWalker.
Shows how bad the people of Gaza have had it for years.
My attitude as to Israel continues to deteriorate.
They seem to be living as if they truly believe they are some sort of special people with the right to do whatever they want and treat their neighbors as poorly as they like.
I don’t like that tax dollars go to people like that.
Political_mama
Posted January 11, 2009 at 7:47 pm | Permalink
I can’t know EVERYTHING.
Political_mama
Posted January 11, 2009 at 7:47 pm | Permalink
I can’t know EVERYTHING.
Political_mama
Posted January 11, 2009 at 7:47 pm | Permalink
I can’t know EVERYTHING.
Too freaking funny!!!
Pmomma talks trash!
HEADLINES:
No wait:
PMOMMA DOESN’T KNOW WHAT SHE IS TALKING ABOUT BUT SHE POSTS ANYWAY
FLASH!
PMOMMA IS AN ECHO OF COSMOS
No thinking involved…..
Bet you are really going to have a real intelligent conversatin there Pmomma.
Let’s see:
OTHER POSTER: GW is really GC (Global Cooling)
PMOMMA: That’s not treu
OTHER POSTER: Prove it.
PMOMMA: I will when I find someone who knows what they are talking about.
OTHER POSTER: You mean you don’t know shxxxxt?
PMOMMA: That’s right. Just wait a minute.
(Thinking Matrix. PMomma is waiting for them to be able to UPLOAD exactly what she needs to THINK!)
“Mary, on the other hand has a brand new picture window in the perfect place for her to enjoy the lunar spectacle without leaving her dining room table!”
Thanks to you Hank…We really appreciate your help. I LOVED the way all your puppys wanted to go for a ride in my car yesterday. What sweeties!
There should be some posting guidelines which include don’t post about something you don’t know jack ship about.
Sincerity, integrity down the tubes.
Lot’s of wasted space by people posting about stuff they pull outta their a$$.
You cannot carry on an intelligent post back and forth without knowledge of the subject matter.
Of course, that is a big problem here. Thats why feelings get hurt when someone who does know – puts down the unintelligent “cut and paster”.
Cosmos KNOWS this is correct and should be agreeing with me. It happens all the time on his GW posts.
Lower yourself to posting others thoughts?
Others research? Pretend they are your own?
Pmomma you take the cake.
Cosmos cannot answer because he is defending Pmomma on the other blog.
You guys can’t stand alone on the merits of your own posts?
“Yawn…….”
“I don’t like that tax dollars go to people like that.”—BlueJay
Do you pay any income taxes BlueJay?
“The tunnels the Israels are complaining about bring in FOOD, FUEL, water, and lot’s of supplies. Not just a few rockets.”—RoaCH
RoaCH, they wouldn’t need tunnels at all if they quit bringing in rockets AND firing them at Israeli civilians.
Don’t you get it….Israel has a perfect right, in fact an obligation, to protect themselves and their society.
“Boxlock20″ continues his sneer-fest –
“Do you pay any income taxes BlueJay?”
Didn’t you mean “BlowJay?” I’ve come to rely on you and “Regular” for sophomoric name-calling.
Why yes bawks I do.
And I don’t like American money going over to the hobby nation of Israel. Let people like you send them money. I leave them on God’s mercy since they are supposed to have his special favor.
The Palestinian people have a right to be able to stand up to oppression and tyranny.
It all comes back to that old saying,
“Pick your enemies carefully, for they are whom you will eventually resemble.”
Look what the survivors and progeny of the Warsaw ghetto have done to the Palestinians. Forget that Israel’s founders — look up Golda Meir, Ben Gurion, Moshe Dyan, et al — were terrorists in 1948 and when they won, some 750,000 Palestinians simply disappeared. As Dyan said at the time, “you will not find them (Palestinians) in the history books-their villages don’t exist- their text books don’t exist-they are simply not there.”
For nearly a thousand years the Turks (i.e., the Ottoman Empire) ruled a land were Jews and Palestinians may not have liked each other but lived side by side in relative peace. After WWI the Brits took over; just one more colony in the empire’s crown.
The Brits’ crown jewels were lost after WWII about the same time the Jews got the idea maybe they weren’t all that welcome in Europe so much and, giving them the 20th Century version of 40 acres and a mule, the United Nations sliced off a hunk of the British Empire and the Palestinians (who were rightly leftover Ottoman subjects) freaked out. (You know, how in the 50s Americans in some neighborhoods freaked out when a Jew wanted to join a country club.)
I have a book from 1949 accounting the Israel/Palestine compromise the Israelis agreed to and the Arabs rejected: two homeland states with Jerusalem an “international city,” along the lines of what Vienna was then, and Berlin. (Okay, not a perfect model as it worked out, but it seemed like a good idea in 1948.)
The Arabs thought they were winning at the time. And by the time the Israelis won a guerrilla (read, “terrorist”) war, the Israelis were in no mood to compromise; they figured they won it all.
Hard feeling between these people have been going on for centuries but it’s wrong to look at the Middle East these days and say “THIS” has been going on this long.
More like 60 years or so. Still, long enough for resentments of the Yom Kippur War, or the ‘72 Olympics, or last year’s pizza parlor suicide bombing or last months strafing by fighter jets…
I really think the Israelis and the Palestinians don’t know what they’re fighting for anymore. They’ve forgotten why they got into it in the first place and neither side wants to back away from all the blood and treasure expended over the years for… for what?
Not that they’re alone. Here in the states the same people who snark about “the liberal media,” “New York values” (both code words for “Jewish”), and gripe about crooked “New York” bankers (again with the Jew thing), and “decadent Hollywood” immorality (I think you get the point), turn around and blindly defend anything Israel does just so they can take a Holy Land Tour with their church group.
To paraphrase FDR’s comment about Samoza, Israel “…may be sons of bitc#es, but they’re OUR sons of bitc#es.”
We might re-think that approach.
Political_mama posted January 11, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Cosmos, quick, I’ve got a bunch of global warming deniers on another thread who say the proof that the earth is cooling is there.
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If they’re like the brain-dead AGW deniers on this blog, it’s a waste of time.
But if they can read and think, this covers the “noise” of the recent short-term cooling trend.
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/12/31/stupid-is-as-stupid-does/
Also see #’s 4, 8, and 9 here,
http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php
If they’re pushing the bogus Pravda column that’s posted 3 times on this thread, my 4:41 post upthread has some info.
they wouldn’t need tunnels at all if they quit bringing in rockets AND firing them at Israeli civilians
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Box I won’t dispute that Israel has a right to self-defense.
But I’m afraid you are only getting one side to the story. Try this one from January 2008.
”
The closure has brought fuel deliveries to a halt
Gaza’s gravediggers are busy. More than 35 Palestinians – mainly militants – were killed by Israeli air strikes last week.
But at the dusty Adwan cemetery in Gaza City, the gravediggers are facing an extra challenge.
The cement that they once used to build the graves has run out and they are now using bathroom tile grout.
“We can’t guarantee the quality of work,” says Anwar Dramleh, 33, one of the gravediggers holding a shovel in hands.
“It might lead to water leakage as the graves are not properly finished.”
Across the Gaza Strip, everyday goods are no longer everyday.
Hospitals are reporting a lack of drugs and parts for medical equipment. The price of chocolate, cigarettes and Coke has doubled, even trebled, because of the shortages.
Since the Hamas takeover of the territory in June, Gaza has been subjected to an intensified economic embargo.
Power plant
The main goods crossing into Gaza has been closed and only humanitarian aid has been allowed into the strip since then.
But last week, Israel announced that it was closing all the border crossings into Gaza.
UN agencies are warning that the humanitarian situation in the territory will worsen. On Sunday the only power plant in Gaza said that it was shutting down because of a lack of fuel supplies.
Palestinian business leaders and politicians also warn that the damage to the economy because of the embargo is now irreparable.
With no raw materials getting in and no finished products getting out, Gaza’s industrial sector has collapsed. Over 100,000 Palestinians have lost their jobs in the last six months, according to local unions.
Amr Hamad, the head of the Palestinian Federation of Industries in Gaza, says that even if the goods crossing opened tomorrow, most of the business would not return.” BBC 20Jan2008
JMWalker posted about the oil cut-off from eastern Europe. He compared it to Hamas.
So did I, but from the other side of the story.
Yes Israel can defend itself. No Israel is NOT the chosen people of God to occupy the holy lands. No Israel is NOT without blame.
Yes Hamas is sworn to destroy Israel: no matter what peace Israel makes.
Stalemate. But the United States is NOT the arbitrator. It’s NOT our war. It’s NOT in our immediate strategic interest (the arabs have the oil, THAT is more strategic that a few historical Christian sites.).
We need to but out. You know, like we SHOULD have in Iraq.
Not OUR business nor our concern.
The jewish lobby is a strong one. They are good at what they do.
I wonder if there is a way to send humanitarian aid to Gaza? Oh but it couldn’t get in could it?
And even if it could, the US would probably not allow it to be sent.
We do not do our country proud in allowing this travesty to go on.
The tunnels are the result of the embargo by Israel and the USA.
Poor policy. More the same policy of treating one side of the battle as less than human.
We might build a few tunnels too, if we were watching our children starve and freeze.
Israel received more in military aid from the United States than the State of Kansas receives in annual federal benefits.
“”The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
And the CONs had us all suckered in with their dire threats President-elect Obama was “…a Marxist pinko-commie…etc.”
But they turn to “Pravda” to promote the Russian oil industry and (albeit, more explicitly) support their fossil-fuel fetish by denying human contributions to climate change.
“Pravda,” f’r cryin’ out loud!
They’re Commies, I tell ya!
All the CONs are commie moles.
Well, I am surprised but glad to know you do pay some income taxes….everybody should, and I mean everybody if the want a place in the boat.
‘”And I don’t like American money going over to the hobby nation of Israel. ”
For a hobby nation they are sure doing well, very creative, productive people. If everyone in the middle east did likewise, instead of trying to destroy them, they’d be too busy to make war.
Monkeyhawk there is no doubt that Obama is a socialist. When Obama says he wants to “spread it around a little” that fits right into the dognma, From each according to his ability to each according to his need.
There is NO denying that truth.
Let’s start the year off right. Can we have a discussion on:
What is a “CON”?
What is a “Republican”?
What is a “Rightwingnut”?
I want to ensure I know when you are thinking you are addressing me or my beliefs – or if you are just stereotyping anyone NOT liberal.
I’m not available this evening for this discussion. But in light of some the thing thoughts of XXX, I think we should clarify who we are really addressing.
For a hobby nation they are sure doing well, very creative, productive people.
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Really, then let’s immediately stop sending the billions in military aid and additional billions in other aid.
Afterall, we are broke. They are doing well, very creative, productive, as you say.
“The tunnels are the result of the embargo by Israel and the USA.”
And the embargo is because the Palestinians keep lobbing rockets at Israeli population centers.
Stop the rockets and agree to a cease fire, and keep it,, and the tunnels would not be necessary.
“Boxlock20
Posted January 11, 2009 at 9:07 pm | Permalink
Well, I am surprised but glad to know you do pay some income taxes….everybody should, and I mean everybody”
RoaCH
Posted January 11, 2009 at 7:20 pm | Permalink
So does the President Elect now agree “everyone” means poor people? It includes “middle class”? It includes “upper middle class”? It includes “average income”? We are not just talking about the rich now?
Obama is going to hurt “everyone”?
ABC News Interview
STEPHANOPOULOS: Let me press you on this, at the end of the day, are you really talking about over the course of your presidency some kind of a grand bargain? That you have tax reform, health care reform, entitlement reform, including Social Security and Medicare where everybody in the country is going to have to sacrifice something, accept change for the greater good?
OBAMA: Yes.
STEPHANOPOULOS: And eventually sacrifice from everyone.
OBAMA: Everybody is going to have to give. Everybody is going to have to have some skin in the game.
Koch stooges?
I do believe it was Israel broke the recent cease fire first.
SURE! The Palestinian people should just swallow the past, get used to their oppression, suck it up and get along! Why they should feel BLESSED I guess that “Gods chosen people” don’t just wipe them out!
“Really, then let’s immediately stop sending the billions in military aid and additional billions in other aid.”
RoaCH,
I don’t know that I disagree with that.
We should sell them the things they need, and I think we do much of it.
And we can stop sending aid to others as well then. I mean we should aid our friends every bit as much as our non-friends.
That you have tax reform, health care reform, entitlement reform, including Social Security and Medicare where everybody in the country is going to have to sacrifice something, accept change for the greater good?
OBAMA: Yes.
STEPHANOPOULOS: And eventually sacrifice from everyone.
OBAMA: Everybody is going to have to give.
EVERYONE = ALL AMERICANS
EVERYONE = ALL AMERICANS
EVERYONE = ALL AMERICANS
EVERYONE = ALL AMERICANS
EVERYONE = ALL AMERICANS
EVERYONE = ALL AMERICANS
EVERYONE = ALL AMERICANS
EVERYONE = ALL AMERICANS
EVERYONE = ALL AMERICANS
“I do believe it was Israel broke the recent cease fire first.”
False BlueJay, Hamas would not renew the cease fire, and as well as continuing to shoot rockets at Israel they picked it up after the cease fire expired.
Israel simply need to defend themselves.
okobserver posted January 11, 2009 at 6:44 pm
On the whole, the evidence indicates that
model trends in the troposphere are very likely inconsistent
with observations that indicate that, since 1979, . . .
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Data from the tropical troposphere is noisy, and the time period is too short. That paper also did not use the most recent version of the radiosonde data.
OBAMA: Everybody is going to have to have some skin in the game.
OBAMA: Everybody is going to have to have some skin in the game.
OBAMA: Everybody is going to have to have some skin in the game.
OBAMA: Everybody is going to have to have some skin in the game.
OBAMA: Everybody is going to have to have some skin in the game.
OBAMA: Everybody is going to have to have some skin in the game.
That says to me: NO MORE FREE LUNCH!!!
“Everyone” includes:
The poor
The upper poor
The lower middle class
The middle class
The upper middle class
The lower rich
The rich
The upper rich
All Americans = all americans.
No more of this 95% or 97% tax breaks.
No more of the 50% of retirees paying no taxes
Everyone=All Americans!
God Bless America!
We are all on the same boat and going to have to sacrifice!
No breaks for the poor or middle class.
We all gotta pay to play..
“OBAMA: Everybody is going to have to give. Everybody is going to have to have some skin in the game.”
I sure hope he knows that a very few people have a whole lot more “skin” than others. The poor and lower middle class have suffered enough. Let the rich and near rich take a hit for a change.
Let the rich and near rich take a hit for a change.
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Sorry charlie. That’s NOT what our president elect said. Our future president said ALL AMERICANS!!!!
OBAMA: Everybody is going to have to have some skin in the game.
OBAMA: Everybody is going to have to have some skin in the game.
OBAMA: Everybody is going to have to have some skin in the game.
OBAMA: Everybody is going to have to have some skin in the game.
OBAMA: Everybody is going to have to have some skin in the game.
OBAMA: Everybody is going to have to have some skin in the game.
This is not what he was elected to do. IF he makes demands on the poor and lower middle class, they will turn on him quickly. Just because he won lifes lottery does not mean everyone else does.
RoaCH
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OBAMA: Everybody is going to have to have some skin in the game.
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Obama isn’t talking about 4skin! He ain’t talking about a the top of a man’s dick.
He’s talking about money.
This is not what he was elected to do
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Bluejay? I’m surprised at you. Obama was elected to represent ALL Americans. Didn’t you get XXX’s post?
All Americans.
What does the word “everyone” mean to you?
You seem to take such child like glee in the hope that the poor will be hurt even more.
How much suffering is enough to make you feel better?
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It’s not a degree or a matter of how much we each have. Our ship is sinking.
We all have to bail water. Not just those with the biggest bailer.
Or tread water.
I do not agree with X’s post and happen to know that he aint hurting.
I ask again, how much suffering is enough to make you feel better?
I saw two people today who seem to be living in their cars. I guess they should not HAVE cars huh? If they were on the street you’d feel like they had some “skin in the game”?
poor will be hurt even more
That’s sad that you think that. The words are yours alone.
Everyone! Everyone! Obama is putting us all together! I like that! We are ALL Americans so we all shall sacrifice to help our nation survive.
It’s not just the rich investment banker. It takes all Americans.
Everyone.
“Obama is putting us all together!”
If he is saying what you are, he is doing a nice job of pushing me away.
After “RoaCH” said –
“I’m not available this evening for this discussion. But in light of some the thing thoughts of XXX, I think we should clarify who we are really addressing….”
…he posted nine or ten more times.
So which is it, “RoaCH?”
Are you “unavailable” or are you just not in the mood to have my fingerprints all over your buttocks after I’ve handed them to you?
how much suffering is enough to make you feel better?
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Oh it’s not for me to say Bluejay. EVERYONE will suffer much worse – if we don’t pull through this thing TOGETHER.
I won’t speak of myself, as you’d think I was bragging, or trying to seem bigger than real life.
But image a working couple who have worked their whole lives – raised a family and saved and invested their whole lives. Put every dime they can into work retirement plans (401K limit is 20,500 per year for those age 50+ in just 2008/Roth IRA (if low enough income is 6,000 PER YEAR for each working spouse) and they have been doing that for many, many years.
Then all the markets and major exchanges drop 35% or better in 2008. Say they lost, I don’t know, say, 120,000 dollars of their invested dollars and earnings (because earnings were NOT high enough to cover all the market losses since 1999).
If a couple lost 120,000 dollars in the markets: have they suffered enough?
I noticed that too Monkeyhawk.
So, “Roach” what is it you see? A shopping cart lady forced to sweep sidewalks? Maybe some young poor kids in sweatshops?
“Monkeyhawk” posted re: “RoaCH” –
“…he posted nine or ten more times.”
Sorry for the typo.
I misspelled “more than a dozen.”
Awe comeone Monkey! I’ve been around the block a few times. I’m up to the challenge (which was really just to be a discussion).
But it is late, I’m about to crap out. I’m old. Not dirt old. But old.
I can hang awhile, but not much longer. Staying on course on the discussions already on-going.
Besides I think the definition/descriptions are worth clarifying for the new year.
I was also trying to remember the derogatory term you libs put on Christians/religious Right, so we can talk about that one too.
But it’s Sunday evening, many posters gone.
Can you add the name for religious zealots to the list I posted: and repost them all tomorrow and attack me then?
I don’t care about you handing my but to me. Not a bit. I just need to know when you are badmouthing me and I’m included in your groupings.
Thank-you
Obama weighs decision about bailout funds
President-elect Barack Obama vowed to restructure a financial rescue plan to save more U.S. families from home foreclosures, as he considered on Sunday whether to seek additional funds from a $700 billion bailout program.
“When you look at how we have handled the home foreclosure situation and whether we’ve done enough in terms of helping families … we haven’t done enough there,” Obama said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE50701M20090112?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=10112
‘Sea absorbing less CO2, scientists discover ‘
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jan/12/sea-co2-climate-japan-environment
BlueJay
Posted January 11, 2009 at 9:41 pm | Permalink
I noticed that too Monkeyhawk.
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And bluejay you are fortunate that I am even responding to you. If you keep jumping on the bandwagon of name-calling and insulting, I will add you to my ignore list too.
I found it refreshing today to find other posters not wanting to battle/fight calling you on your ways.
I’ll contain my disappointment.
There have been so many posts, “RoaCH,” (mostly by you) since your original one directed at me.
Would — if you’ve decided to be available — re-post them all (including the additional one and any others) in a single posts and I’ll go from there.
Also, it’d help if you tell us all your bed time so we don’t get into one of the CONs’ typical run-away-and-hide situations.
Thanks.
When you look at how we have handled the home foreclosure situation and whether we’ve done enough in terms of helping families … we haven’t done enough there,” Obama said.
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Sweet Linda, remember Obama voted for the bailout.
He loves bank CEO’s too.
“The poor and lower middle class have suffered enough. Let the rich and near rich take a hit for a change.”
That’s already what’s been happening! A small percentage of the people pay the vast majority of the taxes.
Everyone should be required to row this boat.
I don’t mind rowing when everyone is required to as well. I sure as he11 don’t like it when I have to row while looking at some slug sitting in the back of the boat complaining I’m not rowing fast enough.
Now Monkeyhawk.
Gnight.
PS: What the heck to you call the religious conservatives? I couldn’t remember or I’d have added them after the ones I noted. Maybe you can all debate it tonight. I’ll check tomorrow:
What is a “CON”?
What is a “Republican”?
What is a “Rightwingnut”?
What is a (whatever goes here for Christians)
Well you’ve taken pleasure in posting how large you are living there bawks.
SURELY your Christian ethic must make you see that you’ve an obligation to those less fortunate.
YOU have more, so you pay more.
RoaCH,
Your post of 8:38 pm is exactly what has happened and even worse. Those folks that have saved have lost 35 to 45 percent and many don’t have much time to recover. They have sacrificed for their future and the future has been pulled out from under them.
YOU have more, so you pay more.
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The person I wrote about LOST MORE. And if you are retiring, or lost your job, you canNOT recover the revenue. If you saved your entire life and lost it in the recent market drop, and don’t have the big income jobs anymore – you are suffering too.
But you ignore that and post about the person should be paying more.
I have NEVER posted how “large” I am living.
I have posted how LOW I am living to save for my family and my future so I am not a burden on the rest of society.
You know that BJ, and yet you resent anybody even doing that if they end up with anything.
Didn’t you tell us you have three farms or something bawks?
Those folks that have saved have lost 35 to 45 percent and many don’t have much time to recover. They have sacrificed for their future and the future has been pulled out from under them.
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slug sitting in the back of the boat complaining I’m not rowing fast enough
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YOU have more, so you pay more.
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Yeah, Boxlock, I know. All too well. I know.
Pardon me if I don’t get TOO broke up about the investor class.
Oh you were fine and dandy when the jobs were being outsourced and labor was being undercut. Those dividends came in and the market went nowhere but up.
Oh but THEN you found out that greed is self consuming and now it is chewing on you.
YOU had fun on the first part of the ride. NOW you’ll have to endure the rest. Dif is alot of other people have been hurting a lot longer. You’re late to the “party”.
Thank you Cosmos. The whole thing really doesn’t fascinate me much, so I don’t take the time to really think about it. But that’s teh passion of others that I can respect as well.
I’ll be informed and supportive of all things feminism, and work to educate everyone on them…and you can continue to educate us about global warming and climate change. Thanks.
BlueJay, start calling me by my nic and you will get honest answers out of me.
I’m giving you one, the next I ignore unless I feel like coming back at you ugly.
We have land, a short quarter in KS, and a couple in the panhandle of TX. The TX ground is non-irrigated so is not very productive and not very reliable. I’m not complaining but what we earn we live modestly on and save. And yes, I may have saved a good amount, I’ve also been hurt in this stock market thing. The point is we sacrifice to save and no one is entitled to that.
The whole cockeyed system is broken.
A company lays off workers and their stock goes up! That’s insane. Same thing with jobs going overseas or outside of unions. The labor costs go down and so the market value of the company goes up!
You really didn’t think it would stop there did you? Greed is NOT good.
“The point is we sacrifice to save and no one is entitled to that.”
That is over my FAIR SHARE of taxes on what I earn, just like everybody else.
Everyone living in this country and receiving the benefits should pay their fair share, not just some carrying the rest.
The benefits of living in this country?
What are those if you are poor?
Every person who invested money chose the risk. While those riskier investments were bringing the higher returns it seemed illogical to invest where our money was safer and the returns lower. Both the gains and the losses are ‘on paper’ until you remove the possibilities of further gains and/or losses by removing the money from the investment.
Kinda like other gambles until you lose your ’seed’ money what have you actually lost?
On paper. That’s the heart of it.
There is no more regard for workers who are now called “human resources”. There is no thought to the health of a company next quarter let alone next decade. It’s just how it looks on paper when the bell rings on Wall Street.
Not always, but too often.
It isn’t just the companies, look at how many individuals place extraordinary value on ‘money.’ Maybe we’ll all think harder about the really important things like love, health, friends, something to do…
Good night all.
“The benefits of living in this country?
What are those if you are poor?”
The opportunity to get off you butt and go to work if you are willing to do so, or get an education with loans and then go to work.
My son in law is a lawyer and has tens of thousands of dollars in school loans. But ya know, he is a lawyer now and paying them off working as a criminal advocate placing offenders in programs to get them on their feet. The single greatest determinate to success he says is of course the person. And if that person comes to the realization that nobody owns them anything and they have to earn whatever they want in life.
“Maybe we’ll all think harder about the really important things like love, health, friends, something to do…”
Yeah well lindainks55, those things are not mutually exclusive, and you can work to have them all.
Good night!
“Yeah well lindainks55, those things are not mutually exclusive, and you can work to have them all.”
Including the money I meant to add.
It’s hard to row when no one can get an oar.
“It’s hard to row when no one can get an oar.”
Then use your hands until you can get or earn one.
I’m sure the boy had NO help at all from daddy. Snort.
By the way, if anyone saw 60 minutes tonight, it totally supported the liberal position that the oil company profits were exactly as they were with Enron. Crooked as all get out and not at all related to supply and demand. Its wall street and republicans and their deregulation.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/08/60minutes/main4707770.shtml
“General Minister And President Sharon E. Watkins Selected To Deliver Sermon At National Prayer Service
To: Disciples News Service Subscribers,
Please join Disciples everywhere in congratulating General Minister and President Sharon Watkins in being selected to deliver the sermon at President-Elect Barack Obama’s National Prayer Service on Wednesday, January 21.”
“The Presidential Inauguration Committee in Washington, D.C. has prepared a press release that gives details about Rev. Watkins’ role in the service. That release is listed below. You also may be interested in reading the article about Dr. Watkins involvement in the prayer service that appears on page 16 in the first section of the Sunday, January 11 New York Times. You can find that article by going to:”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/us/politics/11minister.html
Back when I thought I was a Republican, I had an early education in just how screwed up this country is.
I got in on the ground floor of a major retailer coming to town. I mean I was there when the shelves went up.
That first Christmas, there were times I didn’t go home for days. I slept in the storeroom where I worked.
I didn’t aspire to management. I’ve never really liked the idea of watching over other people work.
The first thing that soured me was when I overheard a Manager telling the department heads, “These holiday temps, use them hard. Use them up! Most of them are gone right after Christmas but make them think the harder they work the better the chance they get to stay.”
Next was when I was in when I had a 102 fever. I had an assistant manager bark at me that I wasn’t working fast enough. My department head barked back at him that “Hey! He’s here and doing the best he can with a fever!”
The department head was reprimanded for defending me. The assistant manager was eventually promoted for his brilliant strategy of sending people home early when they displeased him.
THAT company is now on very hard times as they compete against Walmart.
This country does not value work. It values exploitation and stupidity.
What are you doing talking about oars bawks?
You don’t “row”. You sell.
You take the end product of the labor of others and shill it as best you can. That the product is cheaply made for this or that reason only means more sales and a fatter commission for you.
RoaCH
Posted January 11, 2009 at 9:17 pm | Permalink
That you have tax reform, health care reform, entitlement reform, including Social Security and Medicare where everybody in the country is going to have to sacrifice something, accept change for the greater good?
OBAMA: Yes.
STEPHANOPOULOS: And eventually sacrifice from everyone.
OBAMA: Everybody is going to have to give.
EVERYONE = ALL AMERICANS
EVERYONE = ALL AMERICANS
EVERYONE = ALL AMERICANS
EVERYONE = ALL AMERICANS
EVERYONE = ALL AMERICANS
EVERYONE = ALL AMERICANS
EVERYONE = ALL AMERICANS
EVERYONE = ALL AMERICANS
EVERYONE = ALL AMERICANS
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Gee whiz, RoaCH… What a meltdown!! LOL
“RoaCH,” though “unavailable tonight” posts –
“Gnight.
PS: What the heck to you call the religious conservatives? I couldn’t remember or I’d have added them after the ones I noted. Maybe you can all debate it tonight. I’ll check tomorrow:
What is a “CON”?
What is a “Republican”?
What is a “Rightwingnut”?
What is a (whatever goes here for Christians)”
Since you don’t know what you’re asking with Number 4, I’ll consider your first three questions. Perhaps you can come up with a #4 question that makes sense.
A “CON” is a catch-all term that includes the first three letters of the word “conservative.” It’s Internet shorthand, perhaps, but it embodies so much. You’re “CON” when you’re against about anything. You’re a “CON” when you’ll use all sorts of tricks and misdirections to, ahem, “con” someone out of something. You’re a “CON” when your crimes catch up to you and you’re sent to the pokey. You’re an ex-CON when you’re Gee! Gordon Liddy or Oliver North who got off on a technicality worthy of the first OJ Simpson trial. You’re a “CON” when you’re Scooter Libby and you’ve been convicted of treasonous actions and don’t have to pay the consequences.
As for your question, “What is a ‘Republican?” the answer is pretty much “Whatever it takes to win elections.”
Except they haven’t been winning lately.
For the past 30 years or so adherents to the Republic Party have embraced a lot of CONservative rhetoric to great success in winning elections to the presidency, Congress, the Kansas school board, the Missouri Legislature, et cetera.
Republic Party candidates will say anything to win an election.
There’s a story they tell about ex-Senator Phil Gram of Texas; how he had three speeches he’d give for any appearance in the state on off-election years. He’d send out postcards asking locals what they wanted to hear about… then give one of his standard speechs.
Ah, but during an election year his staff would actually READ the postcard responses.
Anyway, a bunch of frat guys got a hold on a bunch of those topic-request cards and wrote in “shaved pu**y” on ‘em and sent ‘em in.
Gramm supposedly showed up at the event with a tabby and a can of Foamy.
Now then. You ask –
“What is a Rightwingnut?”
Well, although they’re frequently “CONs” by being against just about everything,” you have to consider the non-Republic Party types who tend toward the Libertarians, a lot of conspiracy theorists, Art Bell enthusiasts and folks who claim they hear God speaking to them.
Right-wingnuts claim to speak for all things conservative but the Repubic Party and a lot of other Goldwater conservatives slowly back away from from the wingnuts… obviously afraid of a gun getting introduced to the debate.
Think of a Vin Diagram. There are overlaps, but I tend to be on-target with my commentary and the term “CONs” seems to be the bull’s eye.
Your response?
bigotbawks January 11, 2009 at 6:27 pm
“According to bigotbawks, it represents the “Russian government”, because it was written by Gregory F. Fegel, who seems to live in Portland Oregon.”–the ‘comatose’ one
Stop lying comatose! I never said anything of the kind as I recall. Why don’t you spend the rest of the evening looking though.
I simply said the Russian’s are quite technologically and scientifically advanced, even if they have a despicable government system, and the article was published in Russia Pravda
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You seem to have implied that it WAS written by a Russian.
bigotbawks posted January 11, 2009 at 10:42 am
Monkey,
Are you saying that because this was published in Pravda that it has no value. Seem pretty darn presumptuous to me for a self professed thinking individual, oh excuse me, for the oxymoron of you as a thinking individual.
As much as I dislike the Russian government lets not forget they are quite sophisticated technologically and scientifically.
Don’t be as gullible as comatose, it’s not very becoming.
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But NOW you are saying that you do not know if the author is Russian?
And you do not know the author credentials?
Hint: He obviously is NOT a climate scientist, judging by his writing.
bigotbawks, WHY are we supposed to consider your Pravda copy/paste the scientific truth, the whole scientific truth, and nothing but the scientific truth?
Same as always, Cosmos…. Because Bawks says so… LOL
Chas posted January 12, 2009 at 12:16 am
Same as always, Cosmos…. Because Bawks says so… LOL
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Correct!
But he “says so” only if it says what he wants it to say — deny AGW science.
If it does not deny AGW science, then he says that it is “not so”.
A friend of mine who was Jewish (not relevant, but thought I would add that any way since Israel comes up so often around here) once told me that things are definitely screwed up when money is more important than people. Because, after all, people give meaning to money, not the other way around.
A smart man and one I miss very much.
BlueJay
Posted January 11, 2009 at 9:32 pm | Permalink
I do not agree with X’s post and happen to know that he aint hurting.
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BJ, you know nothing about my situation. If I was hurting, I wouldn’t cry about it all the time here. And if I’m not hurting, it’s because I’ve spent all my life working my way up the ladder.
Also, I get up every morning and go to a job. It’s easy if you don’t spend all night blogging.
“bigotbawks, WHY are we supposed to consider your Pravda copy/paste the scientific truth, the whole scientific truth, and nothing but the scientific truth?”
comatose, is there any light in there behind your eyes? I am guessing the only light that can be detected is that coming through one ear to the other with nothing to stop it.
I didn’t just copy and paste, and put sections of the article in so folks wouldn’t have to link somewhere if they didn’t want to AND put the link there for those that wanted more. The same as you do from time to time when you aren’t just attacking others, hypocrite.
And I never commented one way or the other on the nationality of the author, simply that the article was printed in Pravda and that in spite of my dislike for the Russian government that the Russians were quite technologically and scientifically advanced. Also, the article what not a scientific study, it was an summation article, an opinion, on what has been done and done wrong with your precious climate science. Well written too.
Do you deny that?
The fact remains…you are a very boring, single interest, humorless hysteric who many are finding tiring and scroll over much of the time. I am starting to completely skip much of your post or simply give them a cursory glance to see if you have been so kind as to mention my name or someone else’s that you are attacking.
You are a joke comatose….reduced to a joke anymore.
Now don’t forget to put your coat on when you go out….IT’S COLD OUTSIDE.
Don’t let ‘em phase ya cosmos. Just consider the source.
” You don’t “row”. You sell.
You take the end product of the labor of others and shill it as best you can. That the product is cheaply made for this or that reason only means more sales and a fatter commission for you.” BlowJ
And without a market there is no need at all for a machinist. That’s why there are lots of people in manufacturing being laid off BlowJ, or are you not aware of that like you are unaware of so much else.
I work for myself, I am independent and own my own company BlowJ. I survive 100% on my production and pay 100% of my expenses. I ask nothing from others but to be treated fairly and paid according to our agreement on what I do for them. I am a productive member of society not a slug like yourself BlowJ.
Can’t hear ya bawks. I’m too busy considering the source.
The sun’s not up yet and you, “Boxkock20,” have broken out a new level of name-calling.
“BlowJ?
What do you sell?
Knee pads?
Listen Monkey you a$$hole, I did not start it. BlowJ did, with his continued abuse of my nic.
I am only responding in kind.
I even offered up thread to stop all that if he was willing and that’s the answer I got.
Blow is the lowest form of human excrement I have ever witnesses, don’t place yourself in that stinking category yourself.
Ya know, I get it, certainly BlowJ and probably Monkey simply hate folks some folks because they point out the decadence in their personalities and morality.
You know how the ‘dark hates the light’.
I sometimes get a real charge out of the anger and hostility expressed by them when anything of morality is brought up that illuminates their lack of it.
They think if they can ridicule or discredit that light that makes them look bad it will go out….not so.
“Boxlock20″ enlightens us with –
“Listen Monkey you a$$hole, I did not start it. BlowJ did, with his continued abuse of my nic.
I am only responding in kind.
I even offered up thread to stop all that if he was willing and that’s the answer I got.
Blow is the lowest form of human excrement I have ever witnesses, don’t place yourself in that stinking category yourself.”
I didn’t realize it was a competition.
I would LOVE to outdo “BlueJay” in that category, especially if you are the judge.
And by the way Monkey, BlowJ is a lazy parasite on society, you know that, and a petty thief by his own admission and bragging. He has the lowest work ethic of anybody I have ever encountered, and is so immature and stupid as to be manipulated with ease into making a fool of himself.
Okay, you win….you are as stinking in the excrement category as BlowJ, congratulations!
If “BlueJay” is so inconsequential, “Boxlock20,” why do you bother with him?
“If “BlueJay” is so inconsequential, “Boxlock20,” why do you bother with him?—Monkey
Because he lives in this society, along with my family and other ‘good and productive people’, and he is a drag on it, and determent to it.
And I can’t believe I’m even concerned, but he lives a miserable life, which is obvious by the tone of his posts, and I would hope he could learn and pull him self up and out of that existence.
“and he is a drag on it, and determent to it.”
I AM? Gosh and I’m not even gay! Pretty happy mind you and even occasionally silly.
Starting sentences with and, are you writing your own take on Holy Scripture?
“And lo, bawks said it was so and so it was.”
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bigotbawks posted January 12, 2009 at 7:14 am
Also, the article what not a scientific study, it was an summation article, an opinion, on what has been done and done wrong with your precious climate science. Well written too.
Do you deny that?
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Your Pravda column is a collection of obvious lies about climate science.
bigotbawks would know that, if he knew the basics of climate science.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/01/open-thread-0111/#comment-501454
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/01/open-thread-0111/#comment-501478
bigotbawks posted: The fact remains…you are a very boring, single interest, humorless hysteric who many are finding tiring and scroll over much of the time. I am starting to completely skip much of your post or simply give them a cursory glance to see if you have been so kind as to mention my name or someone else’s that you are attacking.
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No, I present the facts about an important issue — AGW science.
And bigotbawks is unable to understand AGW science, because of his blind hatred of carbon taxes, and/or other reason(s).
Please do scroll past my posts bigotbawks, and stick with issues that you are able to understand. . . if there are any.
If we all pay careful attention we can learn so much! We can discover the path to being non-judgmental, learn from the vast tolerance and ability to withhold judgment. We too can learn to cater to the ‘correct and acceptable’ family values. We can learn to live up to the standards Boxloxk20 demands of others.
comatose….Yeah, yeah yeah, drone on, who cares.
“We can learn to live up to the standards Boxloxk20 demands of others.”
That Linda can give people the business in the nicest way, can’t she? She’s an inspiration. I think I understand why germ holds her in the highest esteem.
bigotbawks posted January 12, 2009 at 8:25 am
comatose….Yeah, yeah yeah, drone on, who cares.
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Excellent defense of the multiple lies in your Pravda copy/paste/link. /sarcasm OFF
Have you found the credentials of the author? A BS in hating carbon taxes?
MonkeyHawk,
Had to scroll throught the usual Bluejay crap, but found your response. Thanks
I’ll respond on todays open…
Linda,
Can I get a link to a photo of you? I’d like to replace my old pinup girl.
“Have you found the credentials of the author? A BS in hating carbon taxes?”—comatose
comatose, come out of your coma, can you?
The author of the article is an author, he was siting studies not doing them you imbecile.
He needs no credentials to write, quoting studies, and summarizing others conclusions.
What are your credentials comatose? I assume you have absolutely none since you have never stated them. In that case you have no business saying anything on this blog related to climate science if you are not a hypocrite that is and don’t live your own advice. Which is it comatose, hypocrite or shut the he11 up.
bigotbawks posted January 12, 2009 at 11:18 am
“Have you found the credentials of the author? A BS in hating carbon taxes?”—comatose
comatose, come out of your coma, can you?
The author of the article is an author, he was siting studies not doing them you imbecile.
He needs no credentials to write, quoting studies, and summarizing others conclusions.
What are your credentials comatose? I assume you have absolutely none since you have never stated them. In that case you have no business saying anything on this blog related to climate science if you are not a hypocrite that is and don’t live your own advice. Which is it comatose, hypocrite or shut the he11 up.
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Hi bigotbawks!
Do you have links to the “studies” that the author, Gregory F. Fegel, was “siting”(sic)?
You do know that credible authors list their references, don’t you?
And I’m sure that you, donndublin, Pleefer, Hank, Nathaniel, and other AGW deniers will enjoy this column by the author of their AGW denial column, Gregory F. Fegel.
It’s in the Pravda, so it must be credible. /sarcasm OFF.
‘Impeachment is Not Enough‘
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/106172-september_11_attacks-0
“Indict all of the US government officials and their allies who planned and carried out the 9/11 attacks ”
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H/T to,
‘Remember when right-wingers didn’t trust Pravda?‘
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/01/remember_when_right-wingers_di.php
Produce your credentials or shut up faux scientist.
comatose, you are simply a wanna-be scientist with nothing more in life to do that try and align yourself with your idols. Get a life of your own, study something else for awhile.
Have you ever posted on anything other that this AGW hysteria?
Pretty shallow….pretty sad.
“Linda,
Can I get a link to a photo of you?”
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You’ll need to give me more info about your problem.
I have one that shows the disgusting wart on my nose prominently and works well for rodent infestations — they find it creepy, frightful and repulsive. Rodents, however, seem not deterred by a full body shot showing by monstrous and grotesque ‘girth.’ Must be because they’re positive they can outrun that threat!
Pest control is very specialized.
As for something pleasant I recommend a glossy color shot of you, your lovely wife and children. That should make for a pleasing atmosphere anyplace you want to improve with beauty.
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