This startling statement from Mark Gietzen, the Wichita-based leader of the Kansas Coalition for Life, made Kansas City Star columnist Steve Kraske’s roundup of memorable 2008 quotes:
“From a moral perspective, for someone to vote for Obama, it is much the same as someone aiding a person who is planning to do a school shooting – only much worse! A person doing a school shooting will likely only kill less than 1,000 persons, whereas a vote for Obama will enable him to enact policies that will kill millions every year, and for years to come!”
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good morning! good luck! god bless —-
whatever you conceive god to be!!
blessings ALL in this New Year!!
special blessings for all Obama bashers,
as we begin a new dawn in America!!
so mote it be!!
Mark Gietzen is a wife-beating fool.
Too compare a President Elect to a Columbine Killer is flat out rude and wrong. Obama has killed no-one. He should not be compared to those individuals. He should not be held accountable for Bush’s mistakes, if any. Steve Kraske is a DUMBASS!!! Call 1-816-460-0600 and express your concerns about Asshole Kraske’s remarks. You can tell them I refered you. Herbert West 3rd, Publisher/Journalist. http://www.MiamiCountyOpinion.com
I am bad, Mark Gietzen made the comment, Steve Kraske published and commented on it. Sorry Steve, I am bad. Mark needs reviewed. Call 1-816-460-0600 and express your concerns about Mark Gietzen. I hope Steve excepts my apology/clarification. Again, you can tell them I refered you too them, at the above number. Herbert West 3rd, Publisher/Journalist http://www.MiamiCountyOpinion.com
Mr. Gietzen may truly think, with some justification, that abortion is killing innocent human life. But to make that kind of inflammatory statement only erects giant road blocks that hinder reaching those that the pro-life message needs to reach.
Here is hoping that in this new year Mr. Gietzen and all of those who fervently believe in the pro-life cause put a bridle on our tongue. Hyperbole and outrage attract few and repel many. Let’s make the face of the pro-life community more compassionate and caring while maintaining the strength of the underlying resolve.
Outlander, well said.
This is just a common tactic that many, many people employ when arguing for or against just about every political and/or moral issue. People intend to promote their particular side of an issue by inciting negative emotionalism. I’m sure not defending Gietzen for this antic, but I don’t understand why journalists and the public continue to be surprised by it. We just went through a presidential election. We were all bludgeoned by this same type of thing three times a day for the last year. And this particular piece of hyperbole seems soft compared to some of the comments I’ve seen presented in Opinion Line. I would think that we could recognize krap when we see it and stop pretending to be so shocked and startled. We need to spend our mental energies working on positive resolutions to the many issues that face us today. (BTW, that ‘resolutions’ comment was not intentionally punaciously.)
I second XXX well said Outlander.
Very difficult for me to understand why anyone would make such an idiotic statement.
But of course! The victims of those two bags of dirt were already in the world, so naturally they don’t count as much as the pre-birth variety. Sure, that explains it.
Let’s see, who has two court warrants out for him. Obama? Nope. Gietzen? Yup.
And I suppose he supported McCain, whose pro war stance encouraged policies that cost over 100,000 lives since we invaded Iraq. Pro-life ideology should be inclusive of all human life, not only the unborn. To to cause the death of innocent humans for oil and power is just as immoral to me as killing an unborn child because she happens to inconvenient.
The hypocrisy of the Christian right wing never ceases to amaze me.
The most effective program for me as to pro-life was not the horror-able images pasted on the side of a truck driving around Wichita. It was a simple billboard at the railroad tracks on Walker before Mc Clean.
It was a nice picture of a happy baby and the words “this is what abortion ends!”. It was a simple message that brought home the obvious. We are not so stupid to not think of that meaning but that brought it to the front of the mind. It left the horror of the act to the observers mind to realize and those realization can not be turned away from as easily as the image on the truck is.
Gietzen has over stepped one of the major no-no of a discussion or conversation. No matter how close something that is current is in your mind to being relatable to a outrage of the pass. To compare them only shuts off the listener mind to your point. I will not cast too many stones at him solely because I have on occasion fell victim to doing that. But I do try to not do it as I know it side tracks what I am trying to say.
The listener’s mind is not thinking of the issues I bring but the issue there were with the pass outrage.
I agree, Dog. Like with anything, trying to shove it down people’s throats only pushes them away. I’d rather see the pro-life movement work to reduce unwanted pregnancies rather than trying to outlaw abortion. Outlawing it won’t stop it, and trying to changing people’s heart’s is more effective than trying to change the law.
People like Gietzen only contribute to the radical image of the pro-life movement.
Over the years, I’ve watched Markie do his thing. I wonder if all that hatred is pushing him over into the his elevator doesn’t go all the way to the top land. He’s beginning to sound more drooling every time he opens his mouth the last few years. As noted above by many, his (and Parkay’s) screeching hurt, not help the anti-abortion movement.
outlander,
I agree with everyone that your 8:38 a.m. post was well written, said what needed to be said in an excellent way.
Parkay? The poster who posts a long post daily between 4:30 and 5 p.m.? That is all I know of that poster, since WEBlog was kind enough to put the poster’s nic first I am able to scroll past easily.
Others who are unreasonable are also scroll overs.
writerdog is absolutely correct about the billboard he described having a greater impact than the panel van.
Maybe this is the year that each of us have a positive impact on someone facing a hard time, or a difficult decision and we really do respect life while reducing unwanted pregnancies and cherishing the lives of those who are born and need protecting too.
That WAS well said outlander. And well said Mary too.
But I fear the message falls on ears covered with firmly placed hands.
It is worth repeating a ….less…conciliatory message as a reinforcement.
Two generations later and with pro choice President Obama set to seat at least 3 Supreme Court Justices, abortion is NOT going to be outlawed or restricted legally in any significant way. That battle IS OVER.
Going forward, we will see more and more clearly just who it is that is TRULY pro life. Fighting for the now TOTALLY lost cause of banning abortion is a waste in resources and time better spent trying to help rather than punish.
I’m not thinking Gietzen will come off well.
Outlander, great post, and one worth repeating. My wish would be for the same sentiment to roll over into the many states of political discussions now warped by extreme opposites. It would be nice for this new year to usher in civility and open mindedness in the political arena. Maybe then we could reach bipartisanship. My fear is that is nothing more than wishful thinking, but I would be more than happy to say I was wrong on that.
I agree with BJ that the battle to overturn Roe v Wade is over…has been for sometime because the fact is, most Americans support it. We need to come together to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies, not only to reduce the number of abortions, but also to reduce the number of children born into poverty with parents who often don’t have the skills or resources to do the job.
…parents who often don’t have the skills or resources to do the job.
No, I think this is the initial problem.
Having a child before the age of 25 is the single biggest predisposing factor to a child being raised in poverty.
If we can find a way to effectively reduce the number of pregnacies to those below that age, it would go a long way towards solving many social problems.
Poor Mark. He has only one response to any stimulus. Say “Puppy dog” and he’ll say “Abortion! Tiller!” Say “Beautiful sunset.” He’ll say “Abortion! Tiller!” Say “Put your dirty dishes in the sink.” He’ll shout “Abortion! Tiller!” The guy has derailed his one-track mind and could really use some help getting it back on track, but he won’t accept it. He says “Abortion! Tiller!” Since we already know what he’ll say to any given situation, there’s really nothing to do but simply ignore the poor fellow and wait for the men in white jackets to come get him.
So you’re all about ending poverty Regular? Great, lets start with fair and equal wages and policies that will reflect that.
Somehow I bet you’ll balk at that.
The pro-choice movement has NEVER been pro-abortion. It has always called for a reduction of pregnancy and how to do that. The antis fight these measures every step of the way.
Geitzen is wanted now? I tell ya, for those of us who actually deal with those people, they are crazy. I’m not at all surprised to hear his comment.
Gietzen’s insane parallel makes me wonder if he wasn’t posting to the WEBlog last fall. That type of parallel – the insane type – was certainly rampant among the anti-Obama posters here then.
outlander is 100% correct, this style of polemics is probably better known as “shooting yourself in the foot.”
““From a moral perspective, for someone to vote for Obama, it is much the same as someone aiding a person who is planning to do a school shooting – only much worse! A person doing a school shooting will likely only kill less than 1,000 persons, whereas a vote for Obama will enable him to enact policies that will kill millions every year, and for years to come!”
It IS an insane quote.
But I guess one should expect little better from a zealot.
I note that the quote would be far more accurate if it said “From MY moral perspective…”
Therein, lies the problem with such folk. They would presume to inflict their own perspective on others.
And I hardly think so indicting some 50 million people is in any way helpful to his lost cause.
“Blaidd_Drwg69
Posted January 1, 2009 at 7:40 am | Permalink
Mark Gietzen is a wife-beating fool.”
Someone should ask Gietzen why he is divorced and why his kids all deserted him.
We already know life after birth isn’t as important to Gietzen. And his believers / followers seem equally able to disrespect and ignore the needs and challenges of those already born.
Mary,
“Having a child before the age of 25 is the single biggest predisposing factor to a child being raised in poverty.
If we can find a way to effectively reduce the number of pregnacies to those below that age, it would go a long way towards solving many social problems.”
While solving the teen pregnancy problem would be the best way to go, given that there are 6.8 billion of us and growing exponentially, we’ve tried our damnedest with every method society has outside of forced contraception, and biology won!
Time for plan B; we need to research the causes of poverty among single mothers (they may be much more complex and varied than they appear) and find ways (plural) to allow them to make reasonable livings while taking adequate care of their children.
We are living in an on-line world now, and regimented workers going to the office or plant from 9-5 to do their work is becoming less and less necessary. These women could become a valuable resource instead of a drag on society if we just find ways to properly educate and utilize them.
I think the difference in considering abortion and school shootings the same is a state of mind tucked away in a mindset.
Shooting with intent to kill requires ‘malice aforethought’ which is a legal element in murder.
Abortion, although distasteful and heinous in the minds of many doesn’t invoke malice and is protected by a ‘legal remedy’ from the Supreme Court.
In my mind and the mind of many others, judgment is reserved by God alone.
bth says,
“Someone should ask Gietzen why he is divorced and why his kids all deserted him.”
Oh, it’s because he beat his wife and kid(s). But they were already born so they didn’t matter too much to him. Had they been zygotes in some stranger’s womb then he’d pretend to care.
Reggie,
Abortion, as distasteful and heinous as it may be to many people, still needs to be one of the choices available to women. The way to cut the abortion rate is to offer more viable choices, not fewer.
Hey MP – how did Gietzen fare in his silly suit against Tiller?
so you think Obana is worst then the colmbime shooting well think again thoses students that killed others students are results of their parents not doing there job raising their childers property. if your daughter gets before marriage it the parents fault.if your kid drink or do dope it’s our fault as parents. if do our jobs as mother and father there would be no abortions. there would be no dope for our kids there would be no abortion clinic. if jou don’t like the law it change it.
irwin,
Slow down, take it easy, relax and count to ten. You’re getting incoherent.
Mary,
“Having a child before the age of 25 is the single biggest predisposing factor to a child being raised in poverty.”
Of course the rub there is that having a child after the age of 25 is the single biggest predisposing factor to total exhaustion.
Proving beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt that the anti-abortionists are whack-o batship crazy.
They are anti-sex, not anti-abortion.
That’s why they don’t give a damn about IVF fetuses which are also destroyed and discarded.
Cap’n,
You mean those beautiful snowflake babies?
Don’t Brownback’s “snowflake babies” only include those used in ESC research? No one pays any attention to those that are thrown away as medical waste, only the ones that potentially bring cures and treatments. Gotta save those blastocysts for the incinerator!
bth asks,
“Hey MP – how did Gietzen fare in his silly suit against Tiller?”
As expected “sue happy” Gietzen got laughed out at court. It wasn’t as absurd as his lawsuit against the city for claiming road construction, blocks away, caused damage to his home (and his neighbors never reported any damage).
Or I suppose there was the funny time Gietzen threatened to sue my website provider if they didn’t shut down my website. They just laughed at him.
The guy is the poster boy for loser.
then George Bush ought to be considered even worse for the needless killings of our soldiers who trusted him to not send them into harms way
Good post, “mrirwin” –
What’s your native language?
MP – too bad he didn’t get counter-sued for abuse of process.
At least the county GOP had the common sense to boot him as chair
What does it say about their sense that he was chair to begin with?
BTW – has anyone heard from Gietzen’s sidekick Rossell? He seems to have disappeared since the election.
bth,
I hear Rossell’s been in a nearly suicidal blue funk ever since the election of that “44% Muslim.” He just can’t believe the American people voted for someone who wasn’t WASPish.
Is Rossell really a side-kick of Gietzen’s? Man, he is much worse off than I thought, if he really is.
Wasn’t it actually, 44% Arab? How he came up with that percise a figure, I’ll never know.
I THINK paulie was paid a paid prollie and now the elections over they cut him off.
I HOPE someone dropped a piano on him.
Blue,
Please don’t advocate piano abuse!
Steven,
“Wasn’t it actually, 44% Arab?”
Now that you mention it, I believe you are correct.
Hey I just realized my first post was a pun, and your right PMom it didn’t show much sense to have him at chair it also shows the need to have normal people be precinct committee people and not loons
Gietzen, the wife-beater bleating again, eh? And no doubt still sucking up to little old rich lonely widows to milk them for contributions.
The man is disgrace and a leader amongst local Republicans.
In just a few more days, threads, or posts like this one will be against the law….
Heil Obama!
Boy – is he ever right!
Any vote for any of the so-called Democrats AKA Homosexuals AKA Liberals AKA Feminists is a vote for Death!!!!
Killing innocent babies is so typical of the twisted and horrible dementias of the so-calleds — the SQLD.
I applaud Mr. Gietzen for his bravery, and willingness to say the Truth … no matter how many SQLD Vultures are waiting to pounce on his Truth … with their pre-arranged programs of smothering all Truth with propaganda and lies.
I-Know-It–I-Knew-It
know-nothing and non-monitor – you are both idiots. Just remember – Obama won by about a 2-1 or 301 margin – your boy got thrashed! Keep on whining boys!
:)
Hey know-nothing: What lies? Everything said about Gietzen is TRUTH!
“Time for plan B; we need to research the causes of poverty among single mothers (they may be much more complex and varied than they appear) and find ways (plural) to allow them to make reasonable livings while taking adequate care of their children.”
It’s pretty simple..the causes of poverty among single moms is that many are too young and uneducated when they become moms, and it takes two incomes to support a family today unless one parent is making a 6 figure income.
The key is, by some miracle, to get young women to delay motherhood until they’re older and have a marketable skill in order to support a family. The government makes a lousy dad, and those who live and raise their children on government assistance alone are doomed to poverty, plus that destroys self esteem. It’s more effective to prevent the problem in the first place than to try and deal with it afterward. How to do it effectively is the question. We need to find away to put birth control in soda pop…that might do it. LOL.
Whats even more pathetic about Gietzen is now the Catholics are turning against him. I personally have started a movement within the Catholic church, specifically the Knights of Columbus to denounce his “truth truck” and Marks actions towards forcing his offensive truck on children.
Mark has personally told me that he will everything in his power to make sure that truck gets as close to my kids as possible. He even asked what school my kids go to so he would park it outside. My kids are 9 years old or younger. My kids do not need to know anything about this until they are at least into high school.
I just have a simple question for all of the pro-lifers… How many baby’s have you adopted? Are you willing to personally pay for some crack whores baby to live? If not, than SHUT UP!
The health and wellbeing of my 6 kids (yes, count them, 6) takes priority of any unborn bastard child any day of the week. So, unless you are tithing everything you have to support as many of these should have been aborted children, than you have no room to talk. As for me, I have every inch to talk. Abort the bastard children so they are not a drain on society and take food out of my children’s mouths.
Oh and before anyone says it, my parents did not abort me, but if they had, I would never know would I?
Newletter, that was really an exceptionally ugly post.
Abort the “Bastard” children coming to take food out of your children’s mouths?
And you are Catholic?
OL, It sure was… It was meant to be ugly because im tired of people saying one thing and doing another. Mark Gietzen is one of them. He wont step up to financially support any children. He stands outside and waves his signs and drives his truck around. What good does that do? Nothing in the long run. I have 0 respect for him, especially since all of his children have run away and his 2 wives left him because of abuse.
Do you really think that of those kids were actually born they would be better off? Sure they are alive, but statistics don’t lie. They will most likely be abused or drug addicted and end up costing society more in the long run in prison fees and social programs (welfare).
The people I have respect for are the ones who adopt children, the ones who financially support the charities who help adopt or support mothers who need help. Telling someone what to do is wrong, helping them to make the right decision is right. OR and Gietzen are wrong and I will fight as long and as hard as I can to get that truck off of the street and Mark in Jail if possible.
Yes, I am catholic and my friends, even in the KofC, respect me for my thoughts regarding abortion. They know im pro-abortion and pro-death in general, but they respect me because I take care of my family. They know that we are going to be adopting a child from a much less fortunate home soon. They know that I do what I can to live the real theme of the bible and not someones creation. God made people to live and die. Thats the fact of life. Nothing will ever change that, survive of the fittest, thats how its been as long as animals have been evolving on this earth. Yes, evolution, another one of those things I believe in.
Baby-hating Illinois bureaucrat Roland Burris, named by the thoroughly corrupt pro-abortion Illinois Gov. Rod “Black-Hearted” Blagojevich to serve the remainder of Obamanation’s term in the U.S. Senate, is the one who signed a consent decree gutting the state’s born alive infant protection law, making it unenforceable. Under the thus eviscerated 1975 state law, abortionist quacks could declare that any infant born alive that was unwanted was “not viable” and could therefore be tossed into a closet to die alone and untouched.
Supporters of the rabidly pro-abortion Obamanation later tried claiming during his presidential campaign that a new state born alive infants protection act, which Obamanation personally killed in his Illinois Senate committee, was unnecessary to prevent the flagrant born-alive infanticides going on in Chicago’s Christ Hospital.
Democrat as well as pro-life members of the U.S. Senate say they will refuse to seat this insult to Congress named Burris.
Blagojevich wanted a lot of profit for handing over a U.S. Senate seat, but Burris wanted a lot of profit for handing over born-alive babies deliberately killed for money. So did Obamanation, and so he still does.
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A new Harris poll shows that just 9% of Americans agree with Obamanation that abortion should be legal for any reason at any time during pregnancy. 82% said abortion should either be illegal under all circumstances or would limit its legality. 49% wanted either all abortions illegal (11% of those polled) or illegal with the rare exceptions (less than 2% of abortions) for rape, incest, and saving the mother’s life. 88% favor informed consent laws such as those vetoed by Bilious Sebelius.
Wow, I thought only Phill Kline could put a bee in the bonnet of the bed wetters on this site but the mere mention of the name of Mark Gietzen seems to have sent all the daily kos types into conniptions.
I think I know why. Its that truck. That truck is a rolling mirror that reflects the faces of the “abortion today, abortion tomorrow, and abortion forever people back at them. All their high minded rhetoric about preventing unwanted pregnancies and sparing children from being doomed to a life of poverty comes crashing down when they see their image reflected on the side of that truck. May that truck and the images it reflects haunt their dreams till the day they die.
“It’s pretty simple..the causes of poverty among single moms is that many are too young and uneducated when they become moms, and it takes two incomes to support a family today unless one parent is making a 6 figure income.”
In a war with biology, there can be no victory.
My son’s mother had three different children by three different fathers before she was 25. She has since admitted to me that she THOUGHT she wanted babies but found out later that they too much restricted her.
I think I’ll keep my own story to myself.
“We need to find away to put birth control in soda pop”
Not a bad idea. But not terribly practical at this time.
The simple fact of it is in these times is that it DOES take a village to raise a child.