Whether it was a deliberate act or a last bit of incompetence, the Bush administration decision to book Blair House for one night during the first two weeks of January looks pretty bad, denying the Obama family the use of the presidential guest house. Many of the former constituents of the one-night guest, former Australian Prime Minister John Howard, aren’t pleased either. In a Melbourne newspaper’s online poll, 76 percent of respondents said Howard should “give up his rooms” for the Obamas. Howard, who will be in Washington, D.C., next week to receive a Presidential Medal of Freedom, said in 2007 that Osama bin Laden should be “praying as many times as possible” for Obama to win the White House.
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John Howard’s rooms were booked after Obama requested to stay at the Blair House. Stay classy Bush. Now taxpayers have to pay for an entire floor at a private hotel.
And what’s with Laura Bush ordering over $500,000 worth in China just a week before they leave the White House? Anything to rip off the taxpayers.
Why exacly should the sitting President “make room: for his replacement? It’s nnot like they are removing fixtures and putting holes in the walls like the 42nd Pres did.
First of all KS_conservative, that’s an urban myth. Second, the guest house is where Presidents stay before moving into the White House. Third of all, it has 119 rooms, there’s space to spare. Fourth, taxpayers have to pay more to house Obama in a private hotel. Of course you’re a conservative so wasting taxpayer money isn’t a concern.
As I recall, President Harry S Truman and family stayed in the Blair House while the White House was being remodeled. During that time, two foriegn people tried to invade to presumably attempt to kill him. I suspect those two fellows are still in Leavenworth federal prison.
The historic old Blair House is located diagonally across Pennsylvania Avenue from the White House. It is considered the guest house of the President. It’s style looks more like an old office building rather than a residence.
Sigh…
The Obama people don’t know how to handle things.
There should be an angry mob outside of Blair House making John Howard’s stay thoroughly unpleasant and …encouraging him to leave.
They were trying to move in 2 weeks earlier than tradition allowed, why wouldn’t the place be booked. Some people always feel entitled to “special treatment”, the rules just don’t apply to them.
So much for Obama’s diplomatic profile eh?
I would think that graciousness would be the first step that President Elect Obama should take. Being a stick in the mud and whining about a one night inconvenience is childish and against good foreign relations.
You need to let go of your vanity Obama, feel the love.
“The Obama people don’t know how to handle things.
There should be an angry mob outside of Blair House making John Howard’s stay thoroughly unpleasant and …encouraging him to leave.”
I think the “Obama people” would know how to do that very well. I agree with you blowjay.
how easy it is to forget that obama has moved into town a few weeks earlier than traditionally done by previous president elects. because it is obama, everyone should suddenly change things and cancel other peoples reservations? would anyone have done this for bush if he had come to town early? how about for clinton or reagan? i suppose bush could have ‘rented’ out the lincoln bedroom to him like clinton did regularly to people…
Regular,
Find me a quote directly attributable to the Obamas showing them “whining” about Blair House.
This is a silly media story, not much more.
I don’t think bush (personally) has anything to do with the bookings at Blair House.
Obama isn’t making any big deal of this.
The Obama family is already moved into the hotel, will need to move again to Blair House and finally to the White House. Changing anything at this point would not make a difference.
The day any president’s people ‘handle things’ with an angry mob is the day a revolution should begin and WE THE PEOPLE should confront that president and his angry mob and peacefully remove them all.
The china isn’t paid for with tax dollars.
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“President Reagan was slashing the federal budget and his wife, Nancy Reagan, “took a lot of heat” for ordering $200,000 in scarlet china with the presidential seal in gold.
After the outcry, the White House Historical Association, a private foundation, was created to pay for the Reagans’ china.
When the White House celebrated its 200th birthday, then-first lady Hillary Clinton designed a new $250,000 set, also paid for by the same foundation. The group is also footing the bill for the Bush china.
Normally, only two-term presidents have time to order custom china so former Presidents Nixon, Carter and Bush never got the chance.”
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/Story?id=6593323&page=2
“The day any president’s people ‘handle things’ with an angry mob is the day a revolution should begin and WE THE PEOPLE should confront that president and his angry mob and peacefully remove them all.”
I used to feel that way.
Then I watched a gang of screaming thugs shut down the Florida recount. Nobody removed them and we got stuck with the worst President in history.
thomaswitt
Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:05 am | Permalink
Regular,
Find me a quote directly attributable to the Obamas showing them “whining” about Blair House.
This is a silly media story, not much more
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It’s hard to pin the ‘political eel’ down for a quote.
Obama throws his voice so well with the use of various political hand puppets, one never knows the source.
I remember also the assembled mob outside of the Naval Observatory screaming for Al Gore to “get out of Dick Cheney’s house!”
Let me know how making nice with those folks works out. I’m not interested.
“I would think that graciousness would be the first step that President Elect Obama should take. Being a stick in the mud and whining about a one night inconvenience is childish and against good foreign relations.”
Show me where Obama is “whining” about this. I’m sure he and his family are handling it with the same class in which they handle everything else.
Amazing how cons like Regular constantly project their own bad attitudes and immaturity onto everything and everyone else at the drop of a hat. I’ll play Nathan…”Where is the PROOF that Obama is whining about Blair house being booked”?
What a non-issue. In a few days, Bush will be gone and the Obamas will have the whitehouse all to themselves.
After the past 8 years, why would anybody expect Bush to be gracious?
“Let me know how making nice with those folks works out. I’m not interested.”
I can only do something about me, no one else. I refuse to lower my standards. I don’t understand how behaving exactly like those you find fault with doesn’t make you — exactly like those you find fault with. What other people think of me is none of my business, I know who I am.
“He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster.” — Nietzsche
I cannot believe some people still think that the Clintons trashed the White House, yet another lie by the Bush administration…it was PROVEN false.
The stuff that was repaired was like any home that has been lived in, you fix the dents and scrapes and repaint when you move out.
Obama should be living in that house, they’ve got the kids in school, they are preparing for the biggest job in the US. Perhaps you’d like to move a day before you start a new job but most people want some time to settle in. Many people wait till the school end or start before making a change just for their kids stability.
This whole thing is absurd. Let them both stay in the house.
Well said Linda. Your attutude is much more productive and makes for a happier life.
Omniscient “Regular” gives us –
“Obama throws his voice so well with the use of various political hand puppets, one never knows the source.”
So the president-elect is a ventriloquist, is he?
I can hardly wait ’til you CONs see all your wet dreams come through. At noon, January 20ths, he’ll put his hand on Osama bin Laden’s personal copy of the Koran and take the oath and demand all bow down on their knees and worship him. He’ll demand all American commit “Dreams of My Father” to memory or else be sent to concentration camps.
..and he’s going to search their homes for guns and ammo and confiscate them.
Dont forget that Monkeyhawk.
…and he’s going to give bigoted preachers’ a bully pulpit from which to preach their bigotry.
Oh wait, that one’s true. Twice.
That’s another one for you BM.
And don’t forget how Obama will take everyone’s guns and he’ll remove the American flag from every court house and the Pledge of Allegance from every school. And I’m sure he already has Blair House booked for Osama bin Laden to hide in.
Just think how having ventriloquist skills as president will come in so handy!! Are we in for some fun or what?!?
Political_mama
Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:31 am | Permalink
This whole thing is absurd. Let them both stay in the house.
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I agree.
But hell, it’s not as if Augustus Stupidus has ever passed up an opportunity to sub-optimize any international situation he’s ever been in charge of. Sub-optimization of all that he surveys, that’s Bush’s life in a nutshell.
For example, what an opportunity lost to Bush and a polishing of his legacy here. Putting John Howard within (reasonable) morning coffee distance of the next POTUS would seem to add life to the bridge from Bush’s foreign policy past (Howard) to the foreign policy future of the USA (Obama). As open minded as Obama obviously is, allowing them to stay in the same house for even a couple days and nights just might result in an improved understanding on both sides of that bridge.
‘Course, never let it be said that George W Bush passed on an opportunity to sub-optimize things.
I’ve read that Blair House has something like 119 rooms and 35 bathrooms. The Howards, Obamas, and respective staffs could be easily accomodated:
“Blair House is now a complex of four connected townhouses, including the original Blair House. During the 1980s, Blair House underwent significant restorations, with a new wing added on the north. An adjacent townhouse, Trowbridge House, is being renovated to serve as an official guest residence for former U.S. presidents while in the capital. The combined square footage of the four adjacent townhouses exceeds 70,000 feet, making it larger than the White House.”
-wikipedia
OK, in the last eight years I have found many incidents that warranted my outrage committed by the Bush administration. One being the President of the United States violating, belittling and ignoring the supreme law of this land the Constitution of the United States. An issue of violating political protocol for them is a non-issue for me!
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writerdog
Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:53 am | Permalink
OK, in the last eight years I have found many incidents that warranted my outrage committed by the Bush administration. One being the President of the United States violating, belittling and ignoring the supreme law of this land the Constitution of the United States. An issue of violating political protocol for them is a non-issue for me!
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Violations of the law Writerdog? Aren’t those impeachable offenses?
How come Bush was never impeached?
Or, were there really any violations of the law?:)
Be specific and don’t state a talking point on why you think it is a violation of the law, when it isn’t.
Name some laws violated.
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Regular
Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:12 am | Permalink
thomaswitt
Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:05 am | Permalink
Regular,
Find me a quote directly attributable to the Obamas showing them “whining” about Blair House.
This is a silly media story, not much more
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It’s hard to pin the ‘political eel’ down for a quote.
Obama throws his voice so well with the use of various political hand puppets, one never knows the source.
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Now if that’s not a perfect example of obfuscation by a prototypical neo-con hack, then one doesn’t exist. And it’s obvious to anyone who can read that indeed, at least in the above, it does. Partisan political hacking at it’s most blatant. Way to start the new year, reg.
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Mary_Caruso
Posted January 10, 2009 at 9:42 am | Permalink
Just think how having ventriloquist skills as president will come in so handy!! Are we in for some fun or what?!?
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O, hell yes! Imagine using the skill to make it seem republicans are saying stupid things . . . wait: he doesn’t need ventriloquism to do that, the republicans are already saying stupid things. Just read their posts here.
p-momma and bj are liars. The petty vandalism and defacing of the White House by childish Clinton thugs did occur. George Bush made a decision to not make a stink about it because He truly hoped to work with the Dems like he had been able to do as Governor of Texas and he foolishly thought that if he was nice to them they would reciprocate.
However, any reports that come from the Obama transition about damage done by departing Republicans will be false and made up. Bet on it.
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JMWalker
Posted January 10, 2009 at 10:12 am | Permalink
Now if that’s not a perfect example of obfuscation by a prototypical neo-con hack, then one doesn’t exist. And it’s obvious to anyone who can read that indeed, at least in the above, it does. Partisan political hacking at it’s most blatant. Way to start the new year, reg.
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Obfuscation?
What exactly was hidden?
I asked a straight forward question. What were the impeachable offenses that Bush committed in violation of some laws? What laws were violated?
Name them…it’s really straight forward. Just name the laws that were broken.
Reg, I suggest you learn to read. Go back, reread my post, and find its true association, in other words, your earlier post I was referring to. I know it’s easy for you to get off topic, but try to stay on for a change.
My bad Mr. Walker, I blame it on reduced vision from the stroke and trifocals. :)
Awww, chrisfrommactown, so if a Democrat does something, it’s true; if a Republican is accused of the same thing, it’s false. You are indeed a perfect example of what’s wrong with the Republican party.
Gladly Regular, 1st is Bush a war time president in the first place? And if he is not then he violates the Constitution. Has Congress ever gotten around to declaring War in President Bush’s tenure? No there for he is not empowered nor authorized by the Constitution to exercise the unilateral powers granted by the Constitution he is violating the laws in doing so.
There really is no laws concerning the wiretapping outside the U.S. FISA was never to imply to wiretapping outside of the U.S. It does imply to wiretapping within the U.S. it did grant certain exclusion to the law but only for a certain period of time. The Bush administration did violate FISA and the forth amendment of the Constitution. By their own admission they did this evoking the powers as listed in the Constitution for a war time President. But this without a declaration of War by the Congress is a violation of law.
He has extended beyond the War powers act in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Congress failing to declare war as is required to continue any military actions beyond the 160 days granted to the President. A violation of law.
He has violated both U.S. law and international law concerning torture, you can not exclude it by calling an apple an orange. Water boarding no matter if done to every detainee or only one is still considered torture. It has been so for not just the rest of the world but also the United States. BTW if done during war time to a detainee of that war is a war crime. But then of course if we are not at war then it is not.
I am stopping there since to continue is too lengthy but more to answer your question.
“How come Bush was never impeached?”
Well you will love this one, in part because the Democratic have duplicity in the whole thing. They whole heartedly when along with everything that Bush has done. To impeach his would mean they would have to admit to their own guilt. SO damn what is right and just for and by this country. Their concern is for the good of themselves and the Party.
IN part it is because it is so distasteful for the country, we are America and not some third world country. Such thing are not to happen in such a shining example of Democracy.
(OMG I am watching the commissioning of the U.S.S. George .H. W. Bush and my fricky eye are welling up their playing “Anchors away! There is no greater anthem. Calm seas..)
I guess it is also a matter of what is good for the country, which can these people live with better. To admit that such a thing could have happen here in the Untied States of America or to live with the unspoken knowledge it has? It has been one of the most fears nightmares that we could imagine, for it to be a reality is to damage whom we think we are and what we stood for throughout since the founding of this country.
Perhaps it is better to be in deny that honest with our selves.
In part it is because Bush traversed on ground not traversed on before. No one has really ruled on the authority that such thing as signing statements have. he not only disregarded the laws that his Congress has passed during his tenure but also laws passed in the last thirty years. But as of yet no one knows for sure if that is in his power. Seldom has a President so used signing statements in such a way to rule more a king then as a President of a Democracy. Because of that those whom might bring such impeachment issues are still scratching their heads.
“To impeach his” should have been “To impeach him”.
Sorry
War powers act and violated international law with torture?
Name anyone who has been subpoened, tried or convicted in the past eight years.
Again, what laws were violated?
As far as I know Congress approved funding for all of these. Should Congress be tried and convicted as well?
I’m still waiting on laws violated that are impeachable.
You haven’t shown me any Writerdog, you made as I suggested earlier, talking points, not facts.
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Regular
Posted January 10, 2009 at 12:00 pm | Permalink
War powers act and violated international law with torture?
Name anyone who has been subpoened, tried or convicted in the past eight years.
Again, what laws were violated?
As far as I know Congress approved funding for all of these. Should Congress be tried and convicted as well?
I’m still waiting on laws violated that are impeachable.
You haven’t shown me any Writerdog, you made as I suggested earlier, talking points, not facts.
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Yours is a straw man argument. If anything is to happen concerning any law violations by Bush and assoc., it will take place after he’s out of office. My personal opinion is nothing will happen for the very reason we need to move on. Way too many other serious problems.
“Regular” gloats –
“War powers act and violated international law with torture?
Name anyone who has been subpoened, tried or convicted in the past eight years.”
Yeah, what with Alberto Gonzales running the Justice Department…
C’mom, “Regular.”
What “crimes” were Bonnie and Clyde tried or convicted of?
So they must be innocent, right?
That should be Dumbya’s legacy:
“As innocent as Bonnie and Clyde.”
I agree with everything writerdog said.
Members of Congress (including many from the Democratic Party) were complicit with bush’s crimes.
It is better for our country to move forward from these devastating eight years. Especially since in addition to impeachable offenses, bush managed to ruin our entire economy and reputation. bush leaves much that demands immediate attention in order for our nation to survive!
Even if impeachment charges had been brought there were never enough votes to convict. And unlike the Republican Party under Clinton, the Democratic Party recognized that futility.
….still waitin’ on that quote or link or proof or whatever. Glad I’m not holding my breath!
Once again, as Stephen Colbert has pointed out, the facts do have a liberal bias.
Damn those pesky facts!
JMWalker
Posted January 10, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Yours is a straw man argument. If anything is to happen concerning any law violations by Bush and assoc., it will take place after he’s out of office. My personal opinion is nothing will happen for the very reason we need to move on. Way too many other serious problems.
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I very very sure, the Democrats don’t want to set a precedent like that of trying to convict Presidents out of office.
There will be a blood bath every time a President leaves office then.
Don’t even want to go there.
If Congress hasn’t found and impeachable offense and there are no charges from the Justice Department, then the Crats ‘ain’t got nothing.’
Just admit it and stop your whining.
and = an
Why would anyone admit something that isn’t true?
Regular all were facts and admitted to by Bush and many in his administration. Are you disputing them in their usable confessions? For now it is more as I stated, the weight of impeaching and owning up to it being a reality is something that is a real problem for us. “De-Nile is not just a river in Egypt”
How would you respond to a final conclusion that this country has committed War crimes? That you are guilty of it, as you are also this country. How would it effect your belief as an American in your country and the system that has been a shining example of the greatest of all man’s endeavors?
Naming? are you wanting a list of the names of those military personnel convicted for their actions at Abu-gray? They were acting under the colors of the United States of America. In your name! That sir is a legal stance and not a reality of whom they were.
“If someone robs the bank where your money is, but no one is arrested or indicted was your bank really robbed?”
You point to the lack of a conviction in the listed offenses as proof the listed offenses is not true. it the same as I just said. Though I have admitted that some of the actions of the administration has not been determined to be either illegal or legal. There are laws that cover torture, illegal spying and the act of spying on U.S. citizens. From the Constitution of the United States to local and federal laws. Are you disputing that? Has not the Bush administration state they have done those acts covered by these laws?
“As far as I know Congress approved funding for all of these. Should Congress be tried and convicted as well?” in a word yes, as I stated “To impeach him would mean they would have to admit to their own guilt.”. As much as Congress wants to jump back and point an accusing finger at Bush they also had the same responsibility for what has been done and committed. Now to be clear, Congress did give Bush an authorization for the use of force not a declaring of war. There is a difference, the authorization is an act of war which you might argue is the same as declaring war after all. It you send troops, tanks and battle ships to another country it is the of the key components of a war.
BUT under the Constitution it takes a formal Declaration of war in order for the President to be recognized as a war time President. It just does not work for him to go on TV and simply say “YEPER-DODIL Oh guess what I am a war time President!”.
Failing that, his exercising these powers is illegal under federal laws and the Constitution.
Congress failing to stop him or even stand in his way makes them as guilt.
Rulings and laws:
Paquete Habana
Filartiga v. Peña-Irala
Title 18>part 1>chapter 113c>2340
now the question is what do you want just a listing of the laws violated or an actual wording of those laws?
The real problem is that Bush isn’t a lame duck, he’s a dead duck, and should have moved out of the White House weeks ago. At a time when we need a strong president on top of the economy today, Bush is obviously bored with the office and his obsession now seems to be finding a way to spin a legacy of some sort out of the disaster his administration became, leaving the country effectively without a leader. We can’t wait another ten days! We need Obama now. Send in the moving van today!
What war crimes Writerdog?
Where has any court found Bush convicted of War crimes or even accused him of War crimes?
Tell me where?
Where are these violations?
Show me.
Regular,
Writerdog cited specific examples and even cases.
Where’s your proof that Obama has been “whining” about not being able to move into the Blair House?
Hypocrite much?
And Jed has the right idea – perhaps Obama should just skip Hay-Adams and Blair, and move directly to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Oh yeah Writerdog, abuGrav? You need to take a basic lesson in who is punishable when under a criminal justice sentence.
True, Bush is Commander in Chief, but he’s not the ones committing the crimes, nor did he order them to be committed. These crimes were an isolated incident done by a group of total dum b a s ses. That’s it, nothing else.
What else you got?
Paquete Habana
Filartiga v. Peña-Irala??
What does this have to do with Bush?
Nothing.
Got anything else?
Oh dear Mr. Regular,
I’m stiiiillllll waiting on that proof of your claim that Obama has been “whining” about Blair House (you know, the topic of this thread). If there is no proof, i.e. you were wrong, can’t you just be a man and say so?
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thomaswitt
Posted January 10, 2009 at 2:41 pm | Permalink
Oh dear Mr. Regular,
I’m stiiiillllll waiting on that proof of your claim that Obama has been “whining” about Blair House (you know, the topic of this thread). If there is no proof, i.e. you were wrong, can’t you just be a man and say so?
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Go back and read the remark about Obama’s hand puppets and then hang your head in defeat.
HAH!!!
As I thought. Empty comments from a hypocritical troll. You demand “proof” and links from Writerdog, but you will not come up with your own.
Two-faced. Hypocrite. Liar.
Troll.
Ciao!
All you have to do Mr. Witt is just concentrate a bit more, so you can comprehend what I wrote about Obama’s hand puppets passing messages along.
‘Arriva Derche
“Regular” –
Fonix is not your friend.
It’s “arrivederci.”
lindaink55: “I don’t think Bush (personally) has anything to do with the bookings at Blair House.”
Linda, I think that would normally be the case, but this is a “special” case. Bush invited the previous prime minister of Australia to stay there one evening before he comes to the White House to receive a Medal of Freedom. I guess that is Bush’s way of thanking Mr. Howard for being in agreement with Bush’s in the handling the Iraq war.
Since Blair house has 119 rooms, I would have thought that Mr. Howard and his wife could have had an area on one floor of the building and the Obama’s could have an area on another floor. That would have saved a few of our tax dollars, considering what it costs to stay in a decent Washington D.C. hotel for several nights. And the Secret Service would have probably preferred to have the family in Blair House rather than the hotel to make their job a bit easier.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted January 10, 2009 at 5:16 pm | Permalink
“Regular” –
Fonix is not your friend.
It’s “arrived
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Actually, no.
Ti’s a play on words.
Arriva means “It arrives”
As when Mr. Witt first posted after a long absence. (It lives – vive)
generate eravate un amante del maiale
Reggie,
“Bush is Commander in Chief, but he’s not the ones committing the crimes, nor did he order them to be committed. These crimes were an isolated incident done by a group of total dum b a s ses.
I realize that conservatives are incapable of creative thought, but that excuse is about as moldy as they get! Of course nobody (other than Laura) is accusing Bush of personally torturing anyone, but he set up the conditions and signed the orders that led to it. Any fool would have seen it coming, even one as dumb as Bushie, It happened on his watch, he set up the conditions that allowed it and he’s responsible!
janeeyre,
I try at every opportunity to find even an iota of anything redeeming in bush’s character. I usually fail; thank you for pointing out I’m probably wrong again. ;-)
Two words for the Obamas: “Ho Jos.”
thomaswitt posted January 10, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Oh dear Mr. Regular,
I’m stiiiillllll waiting on that proof of your claim that Obama has been “whining” about Blair House (you know, the topic of this thread). If there is no proof, i.e. you were wrong, can’t you just be a man and say so?
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Regular does not admit it when he is wrong.
Regular just adds a false, fictional paragraph to a copy/paste.
Right, “Regular” –
Those stupid Italians have been getting it wrong all these years.
They should have been listening to you.
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Jed
Posted January 10, 2009 at 5:32 pm | Permalink
Reggie,
“Bush is Commander in Chief, but he’s not the ones committing the crimes, nor did he order them to be committed. These crimes were an isolated incident done by a group of total dum b a s ses.
I realize that conservatives are incapable of creative thought, but that excuse is about as moldy as they get! Of course nobody (other than Laura) is accusing Bush of personally torturing anyone, but he set up the conditions and signed the orders that led to it. Any fool would have seen it coming, even one as dumb as Bushie, It happened on his watch, he set up the conditions that allowed it and he’s responsible!
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Creative thought? Actually I sculpt in 3D software, that’s creative isn’t it? :)
But please do try to come up with some charges that won’t get you laughed out of court of law.
cosmos and MH appear to be attached at the anus.
Regular posted January 10, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Creative thought?
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Regular writes false, fictional paragraphs, to support his LIES.
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cosmos_originally
Posted January 10, 2009 at 6:05 pm | Permalink
Regular posted January 10, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Creative thought?
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Regular writes false, fictional paragraphs, to support his LIES.
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Actually, no.
I use Zbrush. Check out the gallery on the Web, one can do some nice sculpting with it.
The link to the gallery.
http://www.pixologic.com/zbrush/gallery/
Better,
http://www.caligari.com/Products/trueSpace/tS75/Brochure/guidedtour.asp
Regular posted January 10, 2009 at 6:09 pm
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cosmos_originally
Posted January 10, 2009 at 6:05 pm | Permalink
Regular posted January 10, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Creative thought?
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Regular writes false, fictional paragraphs, to support his LIES.
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Actually, no.
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Actually, yes.
Regular added a false, fictional last paragraph to his copy/paste post here.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_25-4/#comment-239232
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cosmos_originally
Posted January 10, 2009 at 6:15 pm | Permalink
Better,
http://www.caligari.com/Products/trueSpace/tS75/Brochure/guidedtour.asp
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Still have that software, but don’t use it much. I use Lightwave3D, Zbrush, Swift3D and others, Vue Infinite etc.
Truespace 7.5 is free.
“Regular” tries –
“cosmos and MH appear to be attached at the anus.”
You’re really a piece of work, “Regular.”
Monkeyhawk,
Regular proudly represents his entire family, his Kansas ancestors, and “Kansas values”.
As an Australian I am interested in this story, however wonder why the question of why John Howard is there in the first place is not the centre of debate rather than where he is staying. He is being presented the Presidential Medal of Freedom by George Bush. This award does not make sense. The US taxpayer, is I assume footing the bill for this exercise in back slapping. Expensive souvenir imo, and totally devalues the meaning this award may have once had.
Nutshell,
There are a lot thing done behind the scenes. Many things accomplished in the quiet of the board room.
Perhaps this is the reason, despite political uproar from the unknowing public.
Can’t tell you how many diplomatic aircraft I saw take and land while I was over seas, it was thousands. The American public or the World public seldom has a clue what really goes on.
take off and just ‘take’ :)
‘John Howard to be awarded Presidential Medal of Freedom from George W. Bush’
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24882750-662,00.html
“Other recipients will include former British PM Tony Blair.
…
The Australian Greens said Mr Howard’s record on human rights, including the detention of asylum seekers and a refusal to apologise to indigenous stolen generations, meant he hardly deserved the medal.
“This seems more of a farewell pat on the back from President Bush to the mates who stood by him rather than recognition of the work of a true leader on peace and human rights,” Senator Sarah Hanson-Young said.”
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24878549-12377,00.html
“Mr Howard is being honoured for his role in fighting terrorism and for standing by the US as an ally during his 11 years as prime minister.”
cosmos demonstrates his deep irrational hatred of President Bush.
May the psychic boomerang find it thrower of insulting message – cosmos.
“Regular” –
To use the twice-borns’ language, “We don’t hate the sinner, we hate the sins.”
George WMD Bush is the original post turtle.
Poor guy. He can’t help it he was a dry drunk people wanted to have a beer with and almost got elected twice. He simply wasn’t up to the job.
He has the Corpropheliate Midas Touch; everything he touches turns to s#it.
(That might be why Laura Bush is so nice; he hasn’t touched her in years. She’s moving to Dallas and he’s moving to Crawford. Do the math.)
Seriously, you cannot come up with anything George WMD Bush hasn’t fuc#ed up during his tenure in the Oval Office. (Okay, maybe the rug.)
The last crisis he overcame involved a pretzel.
It’s going to take years for the nation and the world to recover from the sins of George WMD Bush. But it’s not his fault. He didn’t know better.
You get really boring when you repeat a message MH.
“Regular” whines –
“You get really boring when you repeat a message MH.”
Don’t blame me for your attention deficit disorder, “Regular.” Blame your recent brain damage or something. Y’know, something that has to do with reality.
You know, Monkeyhawk, those 24 percenters have their minds slammed shut and they aren’t about to let facts get in! But its kinda sweet the way they’re so emotionally attached to bush. Reminds me a lot of the baby who sucks his thumb and hangs onto his security blanket. I say we move forward and leave them and bush in the nursery together.
“lindainks55″ –
Considering Republic Party leaders such as Larry Craig, sucking thumbs isn’t their worst challenge.
Or even sucking congressional pages.
And Regular you see right here the thoughts about an impeachment, about not thinking it a good idea to be looking backwards. It is felt that though many that express the sentiments also believe that the Bush administration has committed the crimes. But that it would not be in the best interest of the country to pursue impeachment. Sound reasoning, we have more important things at hand that need to be handled for the sake of the country and its welfare.
Bush said he depends on history to be his judge and perhaps that is also how it shall be. Many things have been done in a rush to judgment and in the blinding rush of blood lust. But in the cold, clear light of day there are things it will be hard to ignore or justify one being the invasion of Iraq another will be the suspension of Habeas corpus and the warrant-less wire-tapping. Unless it becomes known that the entire country had been over ran by Al-Qaeda there was no justifying such actions. The call for invading has been shown a wrong number at best. Such things shall be used by history to make its judgment.
But in the end, an impeachment will not happen our national identity would not stand it. Better to be judge by the world a wrong thinking people than for ourselves to make that judgment. The world judgment will allow us to remain in a illusion of what we once were. For us to make such a judgment will be to surrender to the realization that we are not whom we say we are. A nation of laws and justice, the shining light of the best of man’s endeavor.
But we can not afford to forget, else it could happen again that might be the best lesson to be had.
You asked for real evidence of the crimes that have been committed, I sight the law and the simple fact that they have said they have committed the actions the laws forbid. That on the face of it is enough proof to be used to convict them of such violations. The laws state that it shall not be done and they admit to having done it. Their excuse being because they say it is not illegal when done by or in the name of the president.
Gonzalez’s DOJ sent a memo to the President saying they would not pursue or prosecute the administration for their violating the laws. Not that their actions were legal but that the DOJ would not hold them accountable. That sir also answers your question of who has been subpoenaed, tried or convicted. Such things have already been decided by the Government they will not hold them accountable for their actions.
Regular posted January 10, 2009 at 8:55 pm
May the psychic boomerang find it thrower of insulting message – cosmos
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Did Regular have another stroke? That makes no sense.
The “psychic boomerang” is supposed to “find” these 2 media outlets?
‘John Howard to be awarded Presidential Medal of Freedom from George W. Bush’
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24882750-662,00.html
“Other recipients will include former British PM Tony Blair.
…
The Australian Greens said Mr Howard’s record on human rights, including the detention of asylum seekers and a refusal to apologise to indigenous stolen generations, meant he hardly deserved the medal.
“This seems more of a farewell pat on the back from President Bush to the mates who stood by him rather than recognition of the work of a true leader on peace and human rights,” Senator Sarah Hanson-Young said.”
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24878549-12377,00.html
“Mr Howard is being honoured for his role in fighting terrorism and for standing by the US as an ally during his 11 years as prime minister.”
Reggie,
“Creative thought? Actually I sculpt in 3D software, that’s creative isn’t it? :)
But please do try to come up with some charges that won’t get you laughed out of court of law.”
Sorry, sculpting in 3D software may be fairly technical, but it doesn’t require creative thinking.
Also, in case you didn’t notice, I didn’t make those charges in a court of law, although I won’t be surprised when somebody does, I made them here! Whether the law holds him accountable or not (remember OJ), the people of this country and around the world certainly do.
lindainks55,
I know what you mean; you’d think that after his 4 yrs of being a governor & 8 yrs as president, we’d find something .
And as I type this, I just realized what it is (unless I’ve been mislead): He is supposed to be the one in the administration who decided we should be providing medicines for the Aids epidemic in certain African countries. Perhaps this will be his redemption.
Dawg,
Unfortunately he can’t be allowed to get off scot-free either. We did that with Nixon, for the good of the country, and so Bush felt free to do as he liked, damn the Constitution. President Obama should make it quietly known that if the World Court wishes to level charges, we won’t oppose them, and we will extradite him and whichever cronies they want too.
Jed, Obama has already implied that he does not intent to do anything else. Bush&Co. have already stated more then once that they do not recognize the world court or that they have any authority. In a real sense it is up to us to do it. If we wait and leave it up to the world to handle our business then it means we are not a nation of laws and order. That it is up to others to do the right things, as we are not willing to stand up for those concepts.
Make no mistake it would not be easy, though many of our brightest legal minds have already disputed the claims made by the legal advisers such a John Woo that the Bush administration have depended on.
And the SCOUS has overrule and ruled that many of the arguments made by the administration were unconstitutional or failed legal scrutinizing. Such as the claim that combatants are not covered by portions of the Geneva Convention. But there are still elements of what has been done that is leaving experts scratching their heads as to whether they were illegal or not.
But the bottom line is, after all is said and done the American people have no interest in this. To continue to site any of this has become like talking about how the sun raises in the morning. Everyone already knows the truth and to keep talking about it is a waste of time. We have made our decision to just ignore it all and deny it could happen in this country. Some times no matter what you do…… The Dragon wins!
Enough from me.
Dawg,
As much as Bush has screwed us, he’s done much worse to the rest of the world. Should they wish to seek justice, we shouldn’t stand in their way, even if we won’t seek it for ourselves.
Obama promises new tack on Iran
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“In the wide-ranging interview, Mr Obama also said he planned a special team to deal with conflict in the Middle East.
The president-elect said he was not ruling out prosecution for possible crimes committed by Bush administration officials.
And he said his attorney general could investigate accusations Bush administration officials had abused their power.
He said: “He’s going to be making some calls, but my general belief is that when it comes to national security, what we have to focus on is getting things right in the future, as opposed to looking at what we got wrong in the past.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7822961.stm