Rush Limbaugh was deliberately trying to stir up outrage when he said that he hopes Barack Obama fails, columnist Leonard Pitts acknowledged. Nevertheless, Pitts argued that it is important to hold the statement up to the light. “Do you ever say that about your president if you are an American who loves your country? Would you say it about George W. Bush, who was disastrous, about Bill Clinton, who was slimy, about Jimmy Carter, who was inept, about Richard Nixon, who was crooked? You may think he’s going to fail, yes. You may warn he’s going to fail, yes. But do you ever ‘hope’ he fails? Knowing his failure is the country’s failure? Isn’t that, well . . . disloyal? The irony is that Limbaugh and the other clowns would have you believe they are bedrock defenders of this country, that they love it more than the rest of us, more than anything. That’s a lie. Limbaugh just told us so, emphatically. It’s not the country they love. It’s the attention. The ideology, their perversion of conservatism, is but a means toward that end.”
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This is the same clown who said there is no recession. Of course, for him, there isn’t.
Limbaugh is typical of the flag waving cons. The patriotism bit is a farce. Such folk don’t REALLY care about anything or anyone but themselves.
Yes, I just called Limbaugh and most cons traitors.
Leonard forgot one.
It’s the money.
One of these days, Rush’ll step too far over the line, and all those sponsors (whose sales will drop because of the economy) will pull their sponsorship.
And poor, poor Ann. Who’s going to have the $20+ to buy her books of insane rants?
See, it’ll touch everybody before it’s over.
It’s not unpatriotic to HOPE Obama fails in enacting his Socialist Gun-Banning Plans.
It’s also not unpatriotic to HOPE that Obama continues the Bush tax cuts, as he NOW says he will do.
BLINDLY supporting your President, is not a demonstration of Patriotism.
Many of you Libs will Blindly Follow Obama and your DemoRat party NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO!
Blindly supporting Obama’s plan to let all 50 states enforce 50 different emission requirements for car manufacturers is an example of STUPIDLY FOLLOWING YOUR PRESIDENT OVER THE CLIFF.
Obama demonstrates his COMPLETE LACK of Business Sense by allowing Non-Stanadard Regulations on Car Makers. This has a huge impact on the cost of Manufacturing.
And so Obama on the one hand invests taxpayer dollars (borrowed of course) in auto companies. And on the other hand, Obama is supporting Onerous Government Regulation that will increase the costs of manufacturing.
Blindly supporting a Dumbs hit is NOT Patriotic.
Do I hope Obama fails as a president? Not at all. His success is the country’s success.
Do I hope he fails in enacting the portions of his agenda I believe are not in the long term interests of the nation? Absolutely. And I will do what I can to make it so.
Remember, folks: dissent is only patriotic if it’s progressive dissent. If it’s conservative dissent, it is, of course, treason.
Do as I say, not as I do. As usual on the left.
And remember, Limbaugh and Coulter are successful in doing what they do: Sell books/radio ads. And every bit of criticism, every bit of condemnation, and yes, every bit of “monitoring” by JR (giggling . . .) and the rest of the breathlessly and perpetually offended left just helps them do that. Congratulation, JR. You just put another dollar in Limbaugh’s pocket. You must be very proud.
Well think about it. What do you mean by fail? In regard to the economy, I hope that Obama is successful in reversing the downhill slide. In regard to national defense, I hope he is successful in keeping us safe. I hope that he is unsuccessful in other issues such as certain social issues, taxes increases, nationalization of industry, creeping socialism etc…
No one with a brain would gives a politician carte blanche to do what he/she wants.
On the contrary there GMC.
I don’t think ol’ Rush is long for this world in his current unaccountable forum.
Blindly supporting Obama’s appointees, such as the Tax Dodger appointee to head the IRS, is pure stupidity.
Geithner who failed to pay his income taxes for several years is but one example of the Culture of Corruption of the Obama appointees.
How’s Blagovich doing today? I hope he gets his FULL story heard. That likely involves Obama.
Course, it would be UNPATRIOTIC to oppose Obama when he does stupid siht like this.
I love liberal strawman arguments.
If you actually listen to Rush Limbaugh, one might know the truth about what he said and not the liberal spin.
Rush Limbaugh want’s Obama to fail at enacting hs socialist, liberal, left-wing policies.
That is the context of what Rush Limbaugh actually said.
Why should we as Conservatives want Obama to succeed at passing legislation which is contrary to the very principles we hold to?
That is the point of what Rush Limbaugh said. Contrary to the complete distortion of the left and this garbage posted by Phillip.
Typical liberals, you can’t ever argue with what we say, you have to twist it and argue against that instead.
And then you have the woefully inept media lap dogs like Phillip to post it.
GMC70
Posted January 26, 2009 at 12:34 pm | Permalink
Remember, folks: dissent is only patriotic if it’s progressive dissent. If it’s conservative dissent, it is, of course, treason.
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GMC has the most concise and clear answer to this stupid question.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgr2elCleLQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxDPpY4S9uY&feature=related
There is it folks (in two parts). No one needs to wonder what he said, listen for yourself, you won’t need an interpretation from anyone else.
Guantanamo, all y’all Libs complained endlessly about that for years.
Now when Obama winds up keeping it open because he can’t find anywhere else to put these people, all y’all will support Obama.
Wrong when Bush did it. Right when Obama does it.
Same with Iraq. You holding Obama accountable to pulling out of Iraq in 16 months? July, 2010 folks, you better be marching in the streets of DC if ALL US TROOPS are not out of Iraq – unless of course you are HYPOCRITES.
This is as good a time as any.
Folks like Limbaugh and his fans? Their refuge is patriotism. They ALWAYS want to claim that they are the “real” Americans.
But just ….where is this patriotism invested? They care nothing about their fellow Americans. So it is not there. They care nothing about the future of the country or its place in the world (except as how that fits their agenda).
Cons are almost exclusively self absorbed and motivated. How does this square with pretending as to love of country? It doesn’t.
Limbaugh said exactly what he meant to say. In fact, he wasn’t entirely honest. Cons THRIVE on misery. It fills the churches and gets folks looking up when they need to be looking around.
Killing innocent civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and elsewhere, was a War Crime when Bush was Commander in Chief.
Now when Obama is doing the same thing, is it Unpatriotic to Condemn Obama for these murders?
(How’s that Popularity Rating for Obama so far? Amazing all that HE has DONE in less then a week as POTUS!)
Regarding wishing failure upon a President…
I wish Bush would have failed in convincing a bunch Senators to give him authority to invade Iraq. I believed that before the first American boots ever publically touched Iraq.
In fact, Bush’s glorious success in persuading the Senators to support him in the war in Iraq actually resulted in his failure overall since his lower popularity because of the War diminished his power to get anything else accomplished.
Socialism will be hugely unpopular in this country after its results are manifested. As an American, I hope that Obama has a successful legacy. This only means that I wish that he fails to raise taxes on the productive and many more things that he has campaigned to do.
I didn’t realize that Limbaugh had so much face!
You Libs support Obama’s actions so far.
Specifically, what actions?
I’ve heard a lot of hot air, have seen a lot of civilians killed, but not much for positive ACTIONS.
“I didn’t realize that Limbaugh had so much face!”
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(giggle!) I think it is proportionate to the rest of him.
BlueJay
Posted January 26, 2009 at 12:59 pm | Permalink
This is as good a time as any.
Folks like Limbaugh and his fans? Their refuge is patriotism. They ALWAYS want to claim that they are the “real” Americans.
But just ….where is this patriotism invested? They care nothing about their fellow Americans. So it is not there. They care nothing about the future of the country or its place in the world (except as how that fits their agenda).
—EXAMPLES BJ?
Cons are almost exclusively self absorbed and motivated. How does this square with pretending as to love of country? It doesn’t.
—PROJECT MUCH BJ? The 24/7 Blogger if not self-absorbed, then please pray tell what ACTIONS YOU HAVE TAKEN to demonstrate LOVE of your COUNTRY and CARING for OTHERS?
Go get the nic you used to post under and maybe I’ll dignify your post there “Jim”.
Blue Jay used to be JR.
Get your nic and I might reply to you.
Bottom Line,
BJ/JR can’t answer the questions in the 1:03 post.
Rush’s response to Obama
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There are two things going on here. One prong of the Great Unifier’s plan is to isolate elected Republicans from their voters and supporters by making the argument about me and not about his plan. He is hoping that these Republicans will also publicly denounce me and thus marginalize me. And who knows? Are ideological and philosophical ties enough to keep the GOP loyal to their voters? Meanwhile, the effort to foist all blame for this mess on the private sector continues unabated when most of the blame for this current debacle can be laid at the feet of the Congress and a couple of former presidents. And there is a strategic reason for this.
Secondly, here is a combo quote from the meeting:
“If we don’t get this done we (the Democrats) could lose seats and I could lose re-election. But we can’t let people like Rush Limbaugh stall this. That’s how things don’t get done in this town.”
To make the argument about me instead of his plan makes sense from his perspective. Obama’s plan would buy votes for the Democrat Party, in the same way FDR’s New Deal established majority power for 50 years of Democrat rule, and it would also simultaneously seriously damage any hope of future tax cuts. It would allow a majority of American voters to guarantee no taxes for themselves going forward. It would burden the private sector and put the public sector in permanent and firm control of the economy. Put simply, I believe his stimulus is aimed at re-establishing “eternal” power for the Democrat Party rather than stimulating the economy because anyone with a brain knows this is NOT how you stimulate the economy. If I can be made to serve as a distraction, then there is that much less time debating the merits of this TRILLION dollar debacle.
Obama was angry that Merrill Lynch used $1.2 million of TARP money to remodel an executive suite. Excuse me, but didn’t Merrill have to hire a decorator and contractor? Didn’t they have to buy the new furnishings? What’s the difference in that and Merrill loaning that money to a decorator, contractor and goods supplier to remodel Warren Buffet’s office? Either way, stimulus in the private sector occurs. Are we really at the point where the bad PR of Merrill getting a redecorated office in the process is reason to smear them? How much money will the Obamas spend redecorating the White House residence? Whose money will be spent? I have no problem with the Obamas redoing the place. It is tradition. 600 private jets flown by rich Democrats flew into the Inauguration. That’s fine but the auto execs using theirs is a crime? In both instances, the people on those jets arrived in Washington wanting something from Washington, not just good will.
If I can be made to serve as a distraction, then there is that much less time debating the merits of the trillion dollar debacle.
One more thing, Byron. Your publication and website have documented Obama’s ties to the teachings of Saul Alinksy while he was community organizing in Chicago. Here is Rule 13 of Alinksy’s Rules for Radicals:
“Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”
Hey, Obama is wishing failure for himself!
Obama expects to have $1 TRILLION+ ANNUAL Budget Deficits. (That is PLANNED FAILURE)
Obama expects to continue Bush’s tax cuts. (He’s admitting failure to keep his campaign promise to increase taxes on the rich!)
Obama’s planning on high unemployment. (FAILURE!)
Obama’s planning on delaying some of his Socialist Programs Promised. (FAILURE!)
This guy Obama is ALL ABOUT FAILURE!
Is Obama then Unpatriotic?
Whenever blowjay gets his a$$ handed to him, he starts the “nic” attack again. lmao
Of course I want Obama to fail!
He’s a communist, race baiting thug from Chicago without the leadership to be president in good times, let alone in times of crisis!
During his first week in office he veered so far to the left it’s a wonder he didn’t get whiplash!
By lowering expectations for HIMSELF, Obama HOPES to CHANGE the impression he made on everyone during the CAMPAIGN.
Obama is HOPING all y’all forget about all those promises he made during the campaign.
Expect FAILURE from Obama, because, well, it must all be Bush’s fault.
Which govt. will be the next victim of the bushonomy?
Iceland’s government collapses over financial crisis
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Digg Facebook Newsvine del.icio.us Reddit StumbleUpon Technorati Yahoo! Bookmarks Print By Kim McLaughlin Kim Mclaughlin – 55 mins ago Reuters – Iceland’s Prime Minister Geir Haarde speaks to the media in Reykjavik January 26, 2009. (Ints Kalnins/Reuters) REYKJAVIK (Reuters) – Iceland’s ruling coalition collapsed on Monday under pressure from sometimes violent demonstrations, the first government to fall as a direct result of the global economic crisis.
Jubilant protesters honked horns and banged pots and pans outside Iceland’s Althing parliament after the news the government had fallen. It was not immediately clear who might be able to form a new administration or how quickly.
Prime Minister Geir Haarde handed in his resignation to President Olafur Ragnar Grimsson after talks to save his government failed. Grimsson said he was unlikely to give any party a mandate to form a new government until Tuesday.
“It’s very natural that the president will first sound out if there is a majority to be found in parliament,” he said. “I have asked everyone in the current (administration) to continue to do their jobs until a new government has been formed.”
Developments on Monday were uncertain with all political parties jockeying for position to replace Haarde’s coalition.
The global financial crisis hit Iceland in October, ending a decade of rising prosperity in a matter of days by triggering a collapse in the currency and financial system.
Rush said there is no recession.
Because to him, there isn’t one. He is so vastly wealthy that no economic pain can reach him.
This is just another example of how folks like him (and his defenders here) are absorbed with themselves.
You lost, get over it! If you’re not with us, you’re agin us. Why do cons hate America?
Rush is desperate, as is coulter, an Hannity, they’re all jumping the shark, each trying to get more attention than the other from an ever decreasing base.
There is NOTHING that so terrifies the right as change.
Limbaugh and his are getting lotsa good medicine! You know Obama is doing something right when the scum of the Earth are weepin’ and wailin’.
They can wish for whatever they want, this is America, and they are irrelevant and marginalized into a little corner.
Wishing didn’t make Afghanistan and Iraq the failures they are. Wishing won’t feed the bull dog.
Sucess for a democrat in any office is to get re-elected.
Obama will spend the next four years running for his next four years.
Economy be damned!
National security be damned!
Country be damned!
What did Rush really say?
“RUSH: — if he does not eliminate the Bush tax cuts, I would call that success. So yes, I would hope he would succeed if he acts like Reagan. But if he’s going to do FDR — if he’s going to do The New New Deal all over, which we will call here The Raw Deal — why would I want him to succeed? Look, he’s my president. The fact that he is historic is irrelevant to me now. It matters not at all. If he is going to implement a far-left agenda… Look, I think it’s already decided: a $2 trillion in stimulus? The growth of government? I think the intent here is to create as many dependant Americans as possible looking to government for their hope and salvation. If he gets nationalized health care, I mean, it’s over, Sean. We’re never going to roll that back. That’s the end of America as we have known it, because that’s then going to set the stage for everything being government owned, operated, or provided. Why would I want that to succeed? I don’t believe in that. I know that’s not how this country is going to be great in the future; it’s not what made this country great. So I shamelessly say, “No! I want him to fail.” If his agenda is a far-left collectivism — some people say socialism — as a conservative heartfelt, deeply, why would I want socialism to succeed?”
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This for the libs I know will not listen to the link Linda provided. Obviously he didn’t say what Phillip would have us believe.
Dim Libs!
BlueJay
Posted January 26, 2009 at 1:30 pm | Permalink
You know Obama is doing something right when the scum of the Earth are weepin’ and wailin’.
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What exactly is Obama DOING right?
Like it or not, President Obama will be in charge for at least the next four years. If anyone thinks they would be a better president, they are welcome to try in 2012.
Rush Limbaugh’s cheap trashy talk show is part of the reason that people would rather vote for a Democrat.
Good luck Republic-cons!
I hear crickets chirping already.
They are very cold, so the chirps are much faster then normal.
Global Warming.
Phantom
Posted January 26, 2009 at 1:24 pm | Permalink
Which govt. will be the next victim of the bushonomy?
Iceland’s government collapses over financial crisis
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It happened on Obama’s and the Democratic dominated congress’s watch. I bet you were one of the first to blame Bush for 911.
Phantom just curious, now how is it that Bush made the economy in Iceland to crash?
The only way Obama can possibly get reelected is to fix the exonomy, national security and the country. Or at the very least be able to show some progress in that direction.
ANOTHER way that fear is exhibited in your garden variety con is irrational thinking.
They have so much trouble with it in the first place.
“Economy be damned!
National security be damned!
Country be damned!”
as a means to…
“Sucess for a democrat in any office is to get re-elected.”
In other words, Obama will deliberately fail in his job to get reelected.
Forget about fear. We got us a damp fear panic!
Heh HEH!
The recession started in the U.S., and brought down the global economy. Primarilly through the financial fiasco.
Grownups are running the country again majaRushie.
NOW it’s progressives turn to turn that old phrase around back where it came from.
If you don’t like it? Why don’t you gid out?
BlueJay sings…
Go on, take the money and run.
Probably JR the same reason you didn’t leave when Bush was prez. This is our country and we intend to hold Obama’s feet to the fire if he moves too far left.
Just keep thinking you are in control. If Obama moves too far left in 2010 there will be an interesting election.
Phantom
Posted January 26, 2009 at 1:39 pm | Permalink
The recession started in the U.S., and brought down the global economy. Primarilly through the financial fiasco.
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Phantom you of course can prove this fact with some supporting evidence. I’ll be waiting.
Grownups running the country again?!
LOL
Here’s anexample of the new mature change that has come to Washington!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/20/rahm-emanuel-at-the-inaug_n_159427.html?page=2
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Phantom
Posted January 26, 2009 at 1:39 pm | Permalink
The recession started in the U.S., and brought down the global economy. Primarilly through the financial fiasco.
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The financial fiasco was perpetrated by the housing bubble market crash in states like California, New York, Massachusetts, Illinois and other Democratic strongholds with the assistance of ACORN, Fannie Mae’s Franklin Raines, House Banking chairman Barney Frank and Senate Bankikng chair Chris Dodd. However, being a hard core Communist, you wouldn’t understand free market economics would you Phat Tom?
The Wichita housing market is one of the best in the country.
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HLP
Posted January 26, 2009 at 1:22 pm | Permalink
Of course I want Obama to fail!
He’s a communist, race baiting thug from Chicago without the leadership to be president in good times, let alone in times of crisis!
During his first week in office he veered so far to the left it’s a wonder he didn’t get whiplash!
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I guess that means over 68% of the country are commie thugs as well, since they support Obama. Now that IS funny.
“I guess that means over 68% of the country are commie thugs as well, since they support Obama.”
68% support Obama?? Only 53% voted for him.
Where do you get 68% support Obama?
I’m sure some Lib poll is showing 68.
bfd
68% favorable rating for Obama’s actions as POTUS.
What actions?
Limbaugh:
“So I’m thinking of replying to the guy, “Okay, I’ll send you a response, but I don’t need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails.” (interruption) What are you laughing at? See, here’s the point. Everybody thinks it’s outrageous to say. Look, even my staff, “Oh, you can’t do that.” Why not? Why is it any different, what’s new, what is unfair about my saying I hope liberalism fails? Liberalism is our problem. Liberalism is what’s gotten us dangerously close to the precipice here. Why do I want more of it? I don’t care what the Drive-By story is. I would be honored if the Drive-By Media headlined me all day long: “Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails.” Somebody’s gotta say it.”
Defining who or what’s patriotic is always tricky. Presumably, one can be unpatriotic without committing treason. Too often, though, in the case of people like Limbaugh, Coulter, and Hannity, advocating policies they didn’t like was sufficient to accuse someone of actually “hating” America, and actually being enemies of the nation.
I would ask Mr. Limbaugh what positive outcome for America he would expect from Obama’s failure. I sure as hell don’t see one.
For some time, Google-bombers succeeded in gaming the search engine so that “miserable failure” brought up the White House website as hit #1. Were those critics joyfully celebrating his failure? Or they simply acknowleging that his failure was a very bad thing indeed?
How many progressives do you know who were cheering the financial crisis, overjoyed at the horrors of Gitmo, Abu Garaib and Bagram , positively giddy that New Orleans drowned while Bush played guitar?
Rush’s position isn’t treason, but it’s really blindly partisan, irrational, self-centered, and dumb. But this is Rush. What else is new?
“…what positive outcome for America he would expect from Obama’s failure.”
Obama’s failure to implement you people’s Lib policies is a winner for all of us.
You know how the perfect can always be made the enemy of the good? It won’t matter what President Obama does. If he makes a 50% or a 75% improvement, some will concentrate on whatever portion wasn’t improved to accuse him of failing.
It’s the Republicans turn to complain. I personally complained during the eight years of bushco! When I was called on that (as was often the case!) I always asked if anyone could point out where bush made any improvements in anything, what program did he reform and make better?
The only answers I ever got were generalities like, ‘he kept us safe.’ Since we recently cussed and discussed that premise without anyone offering any proof that it was true, I never got any affirmative answers about what bush ever improved — to any extent (even a 25% improvement!).
My HOPE is that President Obama makes our economy stronger, that he is a strong diplomat and our world can be more peaceful (which will bring us more safety), that we can come closer to equality for all Americans, that science is respected, that education is made a high priority.
If that doesn’t happen to some measurable degree I will be the first to criticize him! But until he earns any disrespect he has both my support and respect!
Obama’s failure to implement you people’s Lib policies is a winner for all of us.
Go on. . .
From the latest ABCNews?Washington Post poll:
Generally speaking, would you say you favor (smaller government with fewer services), or (larger government with more services)?
Smaller govt. Larger govt. No
fewer services more services opinion
1/16/09 53 43 4
6/15/08 50 45 5
11/1/07 50 44 5
6/20/04 50 46 4
11/4/02 LV 61 34 5
11/3/02 LV 60 34 5
11/2/02 LV 62 34 3
7/15/02 53 42 6
1/27/02 54 41 5
10/9/00 RV 58 32 10
10/1/00 RV 58 33 9
7/23/00 59 34 7
7/23/00 RV 61 32 7
4/2/00 56 38 7
8/16/98 59 35 6
8/5/96 63 32 5
7/8/92 55 38 7
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/postpoll_011709.html
Like it or not, it is still, in large part, a center-right nation. That hasn’t changed.
Wow. That table doesn’t translate well; hopefully you can figure it out. Or use the link to read it yourself.
Interestingly, over time, though the numbers have wobbled a bit, the results haven’t. The scariest words in the English language are still “I’m with the government, and I’m here to help.”
It is humorous the cons called us traitors when we did not support Bush and the war in Iraq, but call themselves patriots by hoping Obama fails.
Rage asks, “I would ask Mr. Limbaugh what positive outcome for America he would expect from Obama’s failure. I sure as hell don’t see one.”
Rage, what rush and his ilk are hoping for is the failure of this country, and the hope his brand of political brainwashing will then come to power, because nothing else he says makes sense.
How else can any of them justify calling anyone who disagrees with Bush traitors, and anyone who agrees with Obama commies. Their whole philosophy concerning politics is: I’m right, your a commie traitor. One can sure accomplish a lot with that narrow perspective.
Let me put it this way: If Rush’s philosophy were to come to rule this country, I would buy a boatload of guns, just for self protection from the RR zealots.
Gosh GMC, I must cry foul with your survey. It claims to be a random poll yet 18.9% of it’s respondents were black. That’s roughly TWICE the national average. So your poll is then slanted to the LEFT. (Even so, the results reflect America’s desire for SMALLER Government.)
“Washington Post-ABC News Poll
This Washington Post-ABC News poll was conducted by telephone January 13-16, 2009, among a random national sample of 1,079 adults (landline and cell-only respondents), including additional interviews with randomly-selected African Americans, for a total of 204 black respondents.”
JM you guys are really funny. I get a good laugh most days. You didn’t bother to read what Rush actually said I guess. It is more fun to play the ‘bash Rush’ game huh?
I have never advocated that Obama should fail. Exactly the opposite. I do however not want his success if what he does is harmful to this great country the left and right share.
“I’m sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we’re Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration.”
This isn’t original but still appropriate when someone is said to be unpatriotic.
Indeed, Walker. The main difficulty I have with the premise is that is presumes that it is better for America to fail than for any progressive policies to be given legitimacy. It’s an automatic “no,” regardless of the consequences.
Given the gravity of the situation, a saner approach for the loyal opposition would be to look for a compromise position that works, and then share the credit when it does.
JMWalker
Posted January 26, 2009 at 2:34 pm | Permalink
It is humorous the cons called us traitors when we did not support Bush and the war in Iraq, but call themselves patriots by hoping Obama fails.
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How can one be just ‘a little bit patriotic?’
Either you are patriotic or you or not.
Pot: “Wow, that kettle is so black.”
“In 2003, haters of President George W. Bush with a mean streak and tech savvy managed to Google-bomb him as a “miserable failure” — meaning that a rash of users linked Bush’s name to the words “miserable failure”"
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,482925,00.html
RFL
Posted January 26, 2009 at 2:54 pm | Permalink
Pot: “Wow, that kettle is so black.”
“In 2003, haters of President George W. Bush with a mean streak and tech savvy managed to Google-bomb him as a “miserable failure” — meaning that a rash of users linked Bush’s name to the words “miserable failure””
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(chortles)
are not
no
or not :D
“I’m sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we’re Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration.”
Wasn’t anyone curious what right wing liberal said this? That would be the new Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
She said it so well I’ll just borrow her words for all future posts.
Okie, I acknowledge your previous post. Good for you.
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I find it grimly amusing that some people can’t see the difference between calling someone a failure and hoping they’re a failure, particularly after I already noted the difference. You people are pathetic.
After Obama succeeded, against the odds, in winning the presidency, I guess some right-wingers have their own version of “hope” and “change.”
Rage did you read what Rush said. If you did then you know what you just wrote is not truthful. He made several examples of how he would like to see him succeed. He then told a very specific instance that he would want to see fail. He simply disagrees with his plan to nationalize healthcare, raise taxes, etc…
What is pathetic about that. Sounds very honest to me.
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Regular
Posted January 26, 2009 at 2:48 pm | Permalink
JMWalker
Posted January 26, 2009 at 2:34 pm | Permalink
It is humorous the cons called us traitors when we did not support Bush and the war in Iraq, but call themselves patriots by hoping Obama fails.
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How can one be just ‘a little bit patriotic?’
Either you are patriotic or you or not.
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Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. said Sunday that there will be an “uptick” in American casualties in Afghanistan as the U.S. military increases its presence in that country, which he characterized as “a real mess.”
The vice president’s prediction prompted outrage from liberal antiwar groups who characterized it as “cavalier,” although a leading scholar at a Washington neoconservative think tank called the Biden remarks an overdue recognition of reality.
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This is an area that Rush hopes Obama will not fail which is not what most liberals agree with. Obama is finally beginning to see that the surge worked.
Of course it’s unpatriotic to hope the President fails. Since his goal is to stabilize our economy and put people back to work, we should all hope he can, even if we don’t like his methods.
Hate his methods, attack his methods, say you don’t think they’ll work and that you wish he’d try something else. But don’t hope they’ll fail just to “teach him a lesson.” Too many people get hurt if he fails.
Obama just knows the only justifiable invasion was Afghanistan which was largely forsaken for the foolish excursion into Iraq. He’s just bringing the emphasis back to where it should have always been.
I’m thinking that Hillary Clinton preached this sermon prior to January 2009.
After the Coronation last week….
1. “It’s a New Day”
Translation: No more division since the opposition is to be smashed.
2. “The stale political arguments no longer apply.”
Translation: History is irrelevant in planning future policy.
3. It’s time to open up your fist and reach for Obama’s outstretched hand.
Translation: Reference #1
4. Hope triumps Fear
Caveat: Does not apply to people like Rush and Hannity, the true felons of our country (reference JMWalker’s 2:34 pm post).
I don’t know if unpatriotic is the word. If you think his proposals are “unamerican” is that “unpatriotic”?
A huge majority of the jobs that Obama creates as part of his economic recovery are in the Government sector.
More Government. More taxes. More dependence on the Government. This is unamerican to me and in itself unpatriotic.
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Regular
Posted January 26, 2009 at 2:48 pm | Permalink
JMWalker
Posted January 26, 2009 at 2:34 pm | Permalink
It is humorous the cons called us traitors when we did not support Bush and the war in Iraq, but call themselves patriots by hoping Obama fails.
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How can one be just ‘a little bit patriotic?’
Either you are patriotic or you or not.
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It’s a state of mind, not political expediency.
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Regular
Posted January 26, 2009 at 3:39 pm | Permalink
How can one be just ‘a little bit patriotic?’
Either you are patriotic or you or not.
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It’s a state of mind, not political expediency.
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So that’s it? Politics is nothing more than a state of mind, and has nothing to do with “political expediency?” Easy on them drugs, dude.
Rush backtracked a bit on Hannity:
If he does not eliminate the Bush tax cuts, I would call that success. So yes, I would hope he would succeed if he acts like Reagan, but if he’s going to do FDR, if he’s going to do the new, new deal all over which we will call here the raw deal, why would I want him to succeed?
Look, he’s my president. The fact that he is historic is irrelevant to me now. It matters not at all. I — if he is going to implement a far left — look it. I think it’s already decided. $2 trillion in stimulus? The growth of government. I think the intent here is to create as many dependant Americans as possible looking to government for their hope and salvation.
If he gets nationalized health care, I mean, it’s over, Sean. We’re never going to roll that back. That’s the end of America as we have known it because that’s then going to set the stage for everything being government owned, operated, or provided.
Why would I want that to succeed? I don’t believe in that. I know that’s not how this country is going to be great in the future, it’s not what made this country great.
So I shamelessly say, no, I want him to fail, if his agenda is a far- left collectivism, some people say socialism, as a conservative heartfelt, deeply, why would I want socialism to succeed?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,481484,00.html
So, according to Rush, so long as Obama follows the policies of Reagan, all will be peachy.
And the no-so-subtle subtext is that economomic success that helps those at the bottom of the heap isn’t worth it, even if it works.
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Posted January 26, 2009 at 3:42 pm | Permalink
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Regular
Posted January 26, 2009 at 3:39 pm | Permalink
How can one be just ‘a little bit patriotic?’
Either you are patriotic or you or not.
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It’s a state of mind, not political expediency.
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So that’s it? Politics is nothing more than a state of mind, and has nothing to do with “political expediency?” Easy on them drugs, dude.
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No, being a patriot is a state of mind.
Being political to forgo one’s underlying principles of patriotism is being a political ideologue.
Once one trades patriotism for the second hand philosophy of expeditions politics, they are putting forth transparent ruminations ahead of principles.
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RFL
Posted January 26, 2009 at 3:31 pm | Permalink
4. Hope triumps Fear
Caveat: Does not apply to people like Rush and Hannity, the true felons of our country (reference JMWalker’s 2:34 pm post).
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Shucks, RFL, not even close. This IS a free country, where each can think what they want. I think rush, et al, are pure BS, but they can still think and believe what they want. I just have no desire to either vote for them, their philosophies,or believe their, in my opinion, hate and malice. Balance is always best, but the rushes of this country don’t want that at all.
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Phantom
Posted January 26, 2009 at 3:28 pm | Permalink
Obama just knows the only justifiable invasion was Afghanistan which was largely forsaken for the foolish excursion into Iraq. He’s just bringing the emphasis back to where it should have always been.
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Go tell that to the “liberal antiwar groups who characterized it as “cavalier”.
As my high school math teacher used to say: “now you say that, but the truth is yet to be determined”.
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Regular
Posted January 26, 2009 at 3:48 pm | Permalink
No, being a patriot is a state of mind.
Being political to forgo one’s underlying principles of patriotism is being a political ideologue.
Once one trades patriotism for the second hand philosophy of expeditions politics, they are putting forth transparent ruminations ahead of principles.
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I guess you must be reading rush, because that is exactly what he portrays: putting forth transparent ruminations ahead of principles.
I want him to fail, if his agenda is a far- left collectivism, some people say socialism, as a conservative heartfelt, deeply, why would I want socialism to succeed?
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Rage did you see that big word ‘if’ in this sentence? He does not want socialism to succeed. Neither do a lot of Americans. Does that make us all wrong or are we just exercising our right to free speech as the left did for the 8 Bush years. I think not.
He is human. An untried man filling a very demanding job. I will be suspect of any policy he enacts or overturns as he is wont to do. That doesn’t mean I want him to fail. It just means I am cautionary.
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donndublin
Posted January 26, 2009 at 3:49 pm | Permalink
Go tell that to the “liberal antiwar groups who characterized it as “cavalier”.
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Actually, donndublin, Bushes attitude towards Afghanistan was “cavalier”. How else can you explain dropping the ball in Afghanistan, which housed and protected the people responsible for 9/11, to go after a country which had nothing to do with 9/11?
If your Hope is in a Man you are always going to get let down.
Well, genuine socialists find all this talk of Obama the Socialist annoying. But, sure, we can have a grand debate. It’s long overdue.
But people like Rush, who is proven to be allergic to facts, shouldn’t make much difference either way.
Rage I would venture to say that Obama’s comment got Rush some new listeners to see what he was saying. And JM there is always an opportunity for the left to present their opposing view. Find the advertisers to sponsor your show and take it public. There is always time available and it is a way to make sure your audience is hearing your truths.
Rush Limbaugh became a household name during the Clinton years. What will the Obama years bring?
You cons better hope Obama succeeds, because if he doesn’t we’re all going to be living in a republican-created third-world country- at least those of us who don’t get to emigrate to Bangladesh with their jobs.
Well, this is so amusing. The Cons are on the constant attack against Barack Obama, even though he has only been in office for less than a week.
He is our President, the president of these United States, and he should be given at least 100 days before the schit-storm begins.
Heck, even I gave George WMD Bush 100 days before I began to close the book on him.
Obama is not going to govern as did Reagan. One, he is much smarter and more inclusive than Reagan and stays awake for longer periods.
The country elected a LIBERAL President by a large margin. The country has a LIBERAL Congress, by a large margin. The country describes it’s self as Democrat or progressive, by a large margin.
Our new President intends to be the president for all of America, unlike George Bush who could barely contain his contempt for anyone to the left of Rush O’Hannity.
The page has turned and it is time, once again, to be one America.
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JMWalker
Posted January 26, 2009 at 3:51 pm | Permalink
I guess you must be reading rush, because that is exactly what he portrays: putting forth transparent ruminations ahead of principles.
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Sorry, I don’t read, listen or watch Rush.
If you recall, the discussion from me, was directed towards you.
Have your fundamental debating skills gone quaggy?
. Hope triumps Fear
Caveat: Does not apply to people like Rush and Hannity, the true felons of our country (reference JMWalker’s 2:34 pm post).
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Shucks, RFL, not even close. This IS a free country, where each can think what they want. I think rush, et al, are pure BS
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Fair enough. I did not mean to imply that you thought that Rush should be considered a felon. However, I was curious that you would feel the need to go buy a gun for fear of whatever Rush’s philosophy would bring. Isn’t Fear dead now JMWalker?
Fear is bad unless it is fear of the “Right”?
Welcome back WS. Hope all is well.
If I believed in coincidence I would say it is ironic that the alphabet man got kicked off yesterday and WS showed up today.
Just a thought.
I have always said I will support Obama until he shows me he shouldn’t be trusted.
“Welcome back WS. Hope all is well.”
Thank you for your kind words, Sollie. I am down here in central Florida (sunny, 85f) for a few more weeks, taking care of details. The final chapter closed a week ago Friday, quickly and somewhat unexpectedly.
Thanks again.
(PS: What is the temp in Michigan today?)
We are single digits to low teens. Happy for the weather you are having, sorry for your loss.
“If I believed in coincidence I would say it is ironic that the alphabet man got kicked off yesterday and WS showed up today.”
Nice try, Gram, but I have had other things on my mind for the last five months.
But thank you anyway.
BTW: That would not be “irony.”
Dang, same old, same old.
Take Care, WSClark.
WS, welcome back. Look forward to hearing from you – and disagreeing <em.with you more often.
The country elected a liberal president, but not by as large a margin as you would describe; in many ways, it was a rejection of Bush, not an endorsement of Obama. And the country largely remains largely center right, suspicious of a large active government (and rightly so).
As noted above, I wish the President success. His success is our success. That does not mean I support successful enactment of all of his policies. I will oppose some of his policies.
This “stimulus” is little more than psychological. Gov’t is on balance a consumer of economic resources, not a producer of goods and services. The myth of “economic stimulus” is that all those “stimulus” dollars must come from somewhere; either tax revenues or out of the credit markets (here, mostly credit). We’re robbing Peter to pay Paul, scooping dollars out of the economy just to pour them back in and call it a “stimulus.”
Don’t have time for more, getting ready for a jury tomorrow. In any case, WS, welcome back.
WS I can sympathize with you. I lost my mom in October after nine months of in and out of the hospital and the last two weeks in a nursing home with a family member always with her.
It was a long few months and also short ones. Still haven’t adjusted completed. I’ll lay off for a while. Good to see you back.
Isn’t Rush marginalized completely now? Haven’t the vast majority of “cons” stepped over to Obama? Obama can’t and won’t fail, as he’s just going to complete what the “cons” already began. The complete take-over of America by foreign banks. We’re already “socialist”…too late. I won’t flag wave for Obaaama anymore than I flag waved for Bushco.
Rush is put there as some sort of false opposition, like Hannity. They could care less “where we go”, they’ve already sold us out with the propaganda, the same as Colmes or Carville.
Silly.
I’m sorry to hear of your loss, WSC. It will be nice to have you back blogging.
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JMWalker
Posted January 26, 2009 at 2:34 pm | Permalink
It is humorous the cons called us traitors when we did not support Bush and the war in Iraq, but call themselves patriots by hoping Obama fails.
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Posted January 26, 2009 at 4:22 pm | Permalink
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JMWalker
Posted January 26, 2009 at 3:51 pm | Permalink
I guess you must be reading rush, because that is exactly what he portrays: putting forth transparent ruminations ahead of principles.
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Sorry, I don’t read, listen or watch Rush.
If you recall, the discussion from me, was directed towards you.
Have your fundamental debating skills gone quaggy?
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And you ask about MY debating skills? You’re the one stepping of the bus, offering the gem about “How can one be just ‘a little bit patriotic?’”. In no way did I say, write or infer in any way any such thing. Check your own skills prior to questioning mine.
Ah WSClark!
Yardbirds have been living large since your departure fearing not the barbecue pit.
I fear their luck has run out.
WB to Wichita!
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JMWalker
Posted January 26, 2009 at 4:57 pm | Permalink
And you ask about MY debating skills? You’re the one stepping of the bus, offering the gem about “How can one be just ‘a little bit patriotic?’”. In no way did I say, write or infer in any way any such thing. Check your own skills prior to questioning mine.
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Applying skills of circumvention I see.
From reading this thread it seems that all of us expect results from our new president. Well some expect, some demand (and don’t think it will happen), but we all want results. That’s an improvement! The only people who expected results from bush were the Liberals. The Conservatives just accepted and supported him and his abysmal presidency.
I’ve listened to every word Rush said (suffered through might be a more honest description) and what I heard him say is that he recognizes there is need of improvement, wants improvement but only if it it done his way. Otherwise, he hopes America stays sick.
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RFL
Posted January 26, 2009 at 4:28 pm | Permalink
Fair enough. I did not mean to imply that you thought that Rush should be considered a felon. However, I was curious that you would feel the need to go buy a gun for fear of whatever Rush’s philosophy would bring. Isn’t Fear dead now JMWalker?
Fear is bad unless it is fear of the “Right”?
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Not at all, RFL. The fear is this country run by any one party. As I said, balance is everything. Without it, this country has no chance at all. Rush, and his minions, have no desire to balance anything. It’s their way or no way. As such, the religious right would think they would have a duty to see their ideals smother the land. I would fear that as much as I would fear a totalitarian liberal party take over.
I, personally, do not want to see a Senate where the Republicans have no say: absolute power corrupts absolutely. Mandate is one thing; absolute power another altogether. That is fear.
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Posted January 26, 2009 at 5:01 pm | Permalink
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JMWalker
Posted January 26, 2009 at 4:57 pm | Permalink
And you ask about MY debating skills? You’re the one stepping of the bus, offering the gem about “How can one be just ‘a little bit patriotic?’”. In no way did I say, write or infer in any way any such thing. Check your own skills prior to questioning mine.
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Applying skills of circumvention I see.
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Whatever.
JM why do you keep referring to your opposition as the religious right? Just wondering. Do you think Rush’s comments reflect his religious faith? Are you saying there are no faith based believers on the libs side?
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okobserver
Posted January 26, 2009 at 5:12 pm | Permalink
JM why do you keep referring to your opposition as the religious right? Just wondering. Do you think Rush’s comments reflect his religious faith? Are you saying there are no faith based believers on the libs side?
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Sure there are. But they’re not the ones pushing faith-based politics on the public. It’s only the right that does it. Ref intelligent design: it used to be creationism, but the public didn’t like that, so they created intelligent design-the same thing. If the religious right was able to take control of the political system in this country, my fear is we would revert to the dark ages, with science taking a backseat to faith-based beliefs.
Like I said, balance is everything.
Like I said, balance is everything.
Most would call that sitting on the fence, not balance.
Everyone hopes that the presidents (Bush or Obama) fails on the issues they don’t agree with and succeeds on those they do agree with.
While I am not a Rush fan and have not heard his programs for several years, I did hear the interview and that is how I heard what he meant is that he hoped Obama fails so he will not do things that Rush disagrees with. In this way he is no different than anyone and the news is just having fun with him trying to have it say something it isn’t.
Rush, right or wrong, feels that if Obama succeeds in doing what he wants to do that it will be bad for the US.
Rush feels that if Obama fails in his goals, the US will be better off.
The Eagle and MSMBC is twisting it to mean that he hopes that Obama fail in a way that would be bad for the US
Ref intelligent design: it used to be creationism, but the public didn’t like that so they created intelligent design-the same thing.
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That’s not true JM. There are many differences. Once again though, the evolution issue is virtually irrelevant to applied science. It is only important for cultural division and in the continuing secular attack on religion.
lindainks55
Posted January 26, 2009 at 5:04 pm | Permalink
I’ve listened to every word Rush said (suffered through might be a more honest description) and what I heard him say is that he recognizes there is need of improvement, wants improvement but only if it it done his way. Otherwise, he hopes America stays sick.
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That is not what I heard.
He wants Obama to fail so America will not get sicker.
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JMWalker
Posted January 26, 2009 at 5:05 pm | Permalink
Not at all, RFL. The fear is this country run by any one party. As I said, balance is everything. Without it, this country has no chance at all. Rush, and his minions, have no desire to balance anything. It’s their way or no way. As such, the religious right would think they would have a duty to see their ideals smother the land. I would fear that as much as I would fear a totalitarian liberal party take over.
I, personally, do not want to see a Senate where the Republicans have no say: absolute power corrupts absolutely. Mandate is one thing; absolute power another altogether. That is fear.
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Mnay on the right fear a left wing take over because of organizations like the Communist Party USA. According to former member David Horwich, the party was heavily influenced by Soviet Russia.
I don’t know of any foreign influence on the right. If so, who is it?
I believe the right is more concerned with less government than it is with religious beliefs.
“Rush, right or wrong, feels that if Obama succeeds in doing what he wants to do that it will be bad for the US.
Rush feels that if Obama fails in his goals, the US will be better off.”
Right on RightAngle.
Heheheh. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Obama has successfully painted the purpose driven bigot as the face of the religious reich.
Now he is successfully painting the oxy driven pedophile as the face of the republican reich.
heheheh. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!
I wonder if he will get bored outsmarting the wingnuts. It really is too easy….
C’mon, CONs –
There’s nothing ideological about Libaugh’s wanting Obama to fail; it’s all about politics.
Didn’t anyone actually, k’now, READ what he said?
He feels if Obama succeeds it will prove all the lies of Republic Party orthodoxy since the days of Reaganomics.
Deregulation, tax breaks for the rich, valuing capital over people, neglecting infrastructure, ginning up fears to justify profligate military spending and adventures….
If Obama succeeds, the Republic Party is SOL.
That’s what Limbaugh said.
Nothing “patriotic” or “unpatriotic” about it. It’s simply partisan political pablum from the CONs’ favorite Hillbilly Heroin junkie.
I can’t tell who the bigger fool is…Limbaugh or those that listen to him. I guess he gets the paycheck, so that leaves…
I still HATE Hannity more though.
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Regular
Posted January 26, 2009 at 5:26 pm | Permalink
Like I said, balance is everything.
Most would call that sitting on the fence, not balance.
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There you go again: changing topics.
“That is not what I heard.
He wants Obama to fail so America will not get sicker.” — RightAngle
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Great news!
bush is no longer able to mess things up! We have President Obama in charge now and things are lookin’ up! America well get well, stronger every day, and we’ll make it through these challenges and be better than ever!
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Posted January 26, 2009 at 6:21 pm | Permalink
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Regular
Posted January 26, 2009 at 5:26 pm | Permalink
Like I said, balance is everything.
Most would call that sitting on the fence, not balance.
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There you go again: changing topics.
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I addressed your statement directly.
That’s not changing subjects.
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donndublin
Posted January 26, 2009 at 5:44 pm | Permalink
Mnay on the right fear a left wing take over because of organizations like the Communist Party USA. According to former member David Horwich, the party was heavily influenced by Soviet Russia.
I don’t know of any foreign influence on the right. If so, who is it?
I believe the right is more concerned with less government than it is with religious beliefs.
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Where did that come from? The communist party has about as much power in this country as the kkk. If the right is fearful of a commie takeover, they got a serious problem, and it isn’t the commies.
And I never even implied foreign influence on the right or left. If you do want an example, though, look at how much we owe China, a commie country. Why do we owe them anything? Could it have something to do with “free” trade? How about the oil we buy from foreign countries. Could it be much of those petro-dollars go to terrorist organizations?
Less government got us into this financial mess. There’s a balance needed there as well. And I’m not entirely convinced the right is not more concerned with religion.
I love reading the comments from all you inbred, racist, fat-tarded hillbillies crying that it is “unpatriotic to follow Obama” The same crybabies that said it was unpatriotic to back Bush’s war on Iraq.. Grow up you hypocrites. I agree that it is patriotic to question the president, I’m not mad about you doing that…. I’m mad that now that the tables have turned, you change your tune of following the president no matter what. I’m lucky I escaped Kansas in December, but sometimes I just have to come back here to laugh at the republicons clutching the bible
Come on Obama! Get my stocks back up! Gooooooooooooooooooooooooo Barackkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!
Like my HD stocks up 22.73 +1.01 (4.65%)!!!!!
All it took was firing a few thousand people.
Go BO Go!
Greetings vesparos,
or should I say Eric.
How is that Vespa restoration coming along? :)
As was pointed out up thread I want Obama to succeed for if he does not then the outcome is the failure of the nation. Yeah why does Rush hate America so? I have been listening to him at lunch for about a week and notice one thing. He has no ideas how to fix the problems and never venture any. He is like the guy who stands on the deck of the ship and rather then try to point out how to save himself or the rest of the passengers. States “we are all going to die!”, Like Hannity did in the videos Linda pointed to, he uses catch phrases and cliques that have empty meaning and no defined courses. “Freedom, individual responsibility, private section”.
We have seen and seem to continue to see the outcome of letting the private section run uncontrolled.
Financial institutions spending like it is someone else’s money but not producing any gains for the customers. Businesses stealing the heart from the U.S. Economy and moving it overseas. Obama is failing if he does not change the direction of the stimulus package he is proposing. Following the failed course that led us into the problems we are having. If the intent is to give me a check to help stimulate the economy it needs to be more then I currently owe in bills. The last one lasted only long enough to pay my property taxes. But guess what? I do not want them to borrow money to give me, its like someone taking the money out of my wallet and handing it to me as a gift!
Back to Rush, he is a sad person whom has no meaningful things to say and what he said is lacking in merit and meaning in the real world. He is feeding those with sad souls and are angry at the wind.
Hey Regular:
Pretty Good! But I prefer my P200… It’s funny that you think you are such a sneaky info-digging hack machine when I placed my info in the fields… plain as day…. I have nothing to hide. Eric Westbrook in San Francisco… Bring it.
The Cons were preaching that either you’re with America or you’re with the terrorists, now they’re preaching that if you don’t hate America then you’re with the terrorists?
maggotpunk = my new hero
Very well put!
One doesn’t make points at all about bipartisanship by explicitly attacking another partisan voice, no matter how much one disagrees with it. By naming Rush and attempting to sideline him, Obama lifted Rush’s profile and practically anointed him his opposition. It demonstrates that Obama still has no sense of his office, nor of “post-partisanship”, regardless of his endlessly empty rhetoric on the subject.
George Bush never attacked Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews, or other voices of the rabid Left by name. If he ever went on the attack against the left-wing media, he kept the attack general and broad, rather than specific.
Bush may not have been the most media-savvy of our modern presidents — in fact, he may have been the worst at it since Nixon — but he knew enough about his office to understand that part of its strength would keep him somewhat above the partisan-pundit fray.
Obama hasn’t figured that much out yet.
Thanks to this attack, Rush not only has his own megaphone, but he gained everyone else’s for a brief time. He became a national story, gained national coverage, and in general got a million dollars’ worth of free publicity. And Rush knows how to use it to his advantage, as he showed:
VIVA LA RUSH
Dadman exactly what I tried to say today but you did a much better job. I am committed to supporting Obama until or if he does something to lose that support.
This yammering he has done about Limbaugh and Hannity shows him as immature. It lowers his stature as a world leader. It marginalizes him. He needs to let it go and get on with the business of our country.
Obama is paranoid
Obama’s Socialism will be the transition (”change” if you will) .. from Free-Market-Capitalism [ America ] .. to National-Socialism-Communism [ Amerika ] that is what Rush opposes and hopes fails .. it’s a legit position and Iagree
I agree . . . . my fingers is cold .. bbbrrrr !!!
Anytime a man in a position of great power attacks someone with significantly less power .. it lessens the greater man and raises up his opponent .. The American President is .. thanks to the office .. the most powerful man in the free world .. If he’s worried about any political pundit so much that he has to attack him personally .. it shows weakness .. which is exactly what Obama cannot afford . . . . . . . later yall
http://www.nwrnetwork.com/radiostations/RealAnswersRadio/player/embedded_player.php?bw=high
Obama is failing if he does not change the direction of the stimulus package he is proposing.
Even according to his own democrats and the Congressional Budget Office (which used to be the democrats gold standard for budget info – and now Obama picked it’s leader to be on his A Team) has problems with the Obama Ruuuuuuuush to spend 850 billion dollars.
“But congressional Democrats are making it clear they want to put their own stamp on the revival plan, despite the inevitable delays. Some Obama ideas, like a $3,000 job creation tax credit, might get scrapped.
Many Democrats aren’t thrilled with Mr. Obama’s business tax cut plans and are griping that there’s not enough money in the measure for traditional infrastructure projects like road construction and water projects or for tax credits to promote renewable energy. ”
CBO
http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/stimsummary.pdf
This yammering he has done about Limbaugh and Hannity shows him as immature.
No, we are witnessing the precursor to the unFairness Doctrine. Trial ballons and scriptural buildup in the press preceeds congressional action followed swiftly by an incensed Obama signature.
Calling us all UnAmerican or an act of treason is good to incite the public to action.
Obama to talk to the Arab World. I wonder how this will play out. Will it be death to the Yankees or Praise to the Messiah.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/01/president-ob-10.html
I was trying to remember (maybe someone here knows) when we were told by most of the Conservatives bloggers that Rush was a comedian, not a leader of the Republican Party, not a journalist or even a political commentator — a comedian who thrived on the sensational.
Was it when he was highly critical of McCain?
Was it when he made fun of Michael J Fox?
Could it have been when he told us about the “phony soldiers?”
Or some other event I’ve totally forgotten?
I can’t remember. Anyone able to help nail that down?
Ed Morrissey said it first, at
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“Dadman exactly what I tried to say today but you did a much better job. “
Not quite, “okoberver.”
Ed Morrisseey said it on http://hotair.com/archives/2009/01/26/obamas-folly/ before “dadman” plagiarized cut-and-posted it.
“George Bush never attacked Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews, or other voices of the rabid Left by name. If he ever went on the attack against the left-wing media, he kept the attack general and broad, rather than specific. Bush may not have been the most media-savvy of our modern presidents — in fact, he may have been the worst at it since Nixon — but he knew enough about his office to understand that part of its strength would keep him….”
Now I want to hear you CONs accuse progressive posters of parroting the party line.
The Limbaugh-tomized Masses are called ditto-heads for a reason.
Obama gave the repubs very sound advice, “Quit listening to Rush if you want to get things done”; Guess Obama doesn’t know if they stop listening to Rush they’ll have to form their own opinions!
Limbaugh is great entertainment. Obama helped his numbers soar. Rush is smiling because of the bigger check Obama just brought him.
Bush just about locked out the Liberal media side from the W.H., and had an unending leak to fox and friends.
A lot of silly historically-ignorant ranting and raving going on here… ” National-Socialism-Communism” – hmm the Communists were the fiercest and earliest opponents to Nazism.. just jam all kinds of nasty things together and throw it at Obama I guess…
The Obama team has added Republican suggested business tax cuts to the plan. Do the Republicans think that bipartisanship means letting them run things again?
I loved how comedian Limbaugh played to racism by saying that Obama supporters demand no criticism of the President ‘because his father was black.’
But lying is their stock in trade: ” On January 22 and January 23, Michelle Malkin, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity falsely asserted or suggested that former Labor Secretary and Obama economic adviser Robert Reich, speaking at a congressional forum, proposed that jobs created by the economic stimulus package should exclude white males.” from link in http://robertreich.blogspot.com/
Meanwhile the work goes forward:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing_room/executive_orders/
Since the Republicans are leaderless, let Rush try to take over the leadership.
Idiot rush said Americans shouldn’t bend over and grab their ankles just becaus Obama’s father was black.
“Calling us all UnAmerican or (sic) an act of treason” who did that? Oh, no one did… hmmm
“just about locked out the Liberal media ”
Well I remember Obama throwing some media off his airplane because they had the audacity of printing something negative about him.
And would you put CBS in the WH if they ran a completely false story about you on sixty minutes?
Anyone hear the story about the Stimulus Package money for public works must go to minority contractors?
And the lies and spin continue…..
“Obama’s Socialism will be the transition (”change” if you will) .. from Free-Market-Capitalism [ America ] .. to National-Socialism-Communism [ Amerika ] that is what Rush opposes and hopes fails .. it’s a legit position and Iagree”
It’s Republican policies and deregulation that has brought us to the brink of socialism…if you’re going to blame anyone, blame them. They’re the ones who allowed the greed at the top to run rampant with no oversight.
EDITORS: Instead of a thread to discuss the liberals jealousy of the Rusch Limbaugh show,
why not give your readers a THREAD TO DISCUSS THE MERITS OF THE BIGGEST SPENDING BILL IN US HISTORY!!?!
A thread where we can post the details and make opinions on the FACTS and post opposing opinions on the biggest spending event in history!
Better hurry, congress is about to ramrod it through without comment.
But I understand EDITOR. We need these petty silly threads to vent on.
lindainks55
Posted January 26, 2009 at 7:50 pm | Permalink
I was trying to remember (maybe someone here knows) when we were told by most of the Conservatives bloggers that Rush was a comedian, not a leader of the Republican Party, not a journalist or even a political commentator — a comedian who thrived on the sensational.
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Linda everything I have seen here today showed liberals taking Rush seriously. Most conservatives don’t. I don’t. I listen if I am in my car otherwise unless it becomes an issue as it did today I hardly know what he says. Unless of course JR updates the blog as he does frequently.
I said as a world leader Obama needs to hold himself above the fray. He needs to lead and not be led.
“Republican policies and deregulation that has brought ”
Oh Mary! You want me to post the history of the mortgage crises for you again? Democrats thwarted all efforts by the Bush Administrations to reign in with regulation the Fannie Mae Freddy Mac barons.
Clinton expanded the Carter housing regulations to make it easier to obtain credit and home loans.
There ya go not listening to Obama again. Wanting to keep the divisive untruthful dialogue up which means nothing and gains even less.
Roach as Pelosi packs in hundred of millions of dollars for contraception I would like to see the details. Where are the jobs this will create?
Maybe tomorrow we will have to start our own thread because this is it for tonight for me.
“and not be led.”
Very difficult to do when you lead based upon public opinion polls.
“I said as a world leader Obama needs to hold himself above the fray. He needs to lead and not be led.”
I don’t think you have to worry about that. Obama IS a leader, and someone who will do his best to put the country back on course.
“must go to minority contractors” a lie and a lie designed to appeal to latent racism to boot.
“In the last few days, manifestly distorting my words and pulling them out of context, you have accused me of wanting to exclude white males from jobs generated by the stimulus package. My goal is and has always been to create as many opportunities for as wide a group as possible, and not exclude anyone from access. TThe hate mail I have received since your broadcast suggests that the mischievous consequences of your demagoguery are potentially dangerous, in addition to being destructive of rational and constructive political discourse.”
http://robertreich.blogspot.com/
4 million jobs “created” (not saved).
Everytime Obama talks the numbers go up and the language changes.
libs are jealous of Rush Limbaugh.libs are jealous of Rush Limbaugh.libs are jealous of Rush Limbaugh.libs are jealous of Rush Limbaugh.libs are jealous of Rush Limbaugh.libs are jealous of Rush Limbaugh.libs are jealous of Rush Limbaugh.
Can’t get your own show on the radio by popular demand so you gotta destroy the entertainment of one that is.
Mary are all liberals as hard headed as the ones on this blog? How could any thinking person say what you just did in all honesty.
Either you walk around with blinders on or you just refuse to accept reality. Either one is counter productive to solving the problems our country has.
Uh DavidB.
You can’t call me a liar unless you can provide me the FACTS (FunFacts if you like) of the 2009 Economic Stimulus Package which Obama and democrats are going to rush through.
Any link? Facts. Source?
tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock…….
Details David B. WHERE IS THE BEEF!!!!
Dontcha care? Dontcha wanna know what your leaders are going to make our children, grandchildren, and greatgrandchildren pay for?
Budget busting legislation and no libs know a thing.
Well, except Obama. HE knows all.
WHERE’S THE BILL?
WHERE’S THE PUBLIC RECORD?
CONGRESSIONAL JOURNAL?? Nope. Nothing.
No Roach…it was the greed of corporations who were making money hand over fist on high risk loans…Republicans in the pockets of corporate lobbyists made sure the industry went largely unregulated. Bush knew about the impending crisis, but did nothing to stop it.
What the hell are you talking about OK? Are you saying I’m being “hard headed” because I think Obama will be a great leader? Or because I think he’ll do his best?
Anyone who listens to Rush Lamebutt and believes what he says is a fool.
“Republicans in the pockets of corporate lobbyists”
My God Mary STOP LISTENING TO THE LIBERAL TAPE!!
REFUSE the koolaid woman!
Do I have to post the contributions to individual democrats all over again by mortgage companies, S&L’s, Banks, Investment Companies?
Millions of campaign dollars to many, many democrats.
Are you really that naive? Did you attend Kansas public schools?
Please: Go google it. I’m not making this up and I can post links and articles. Pages of them.
And yes, the lists include republicans. BUT democrats are equally culpable.
Are you the best example of brainwashing the libs have? Apparently so.
Go google Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac campaign contributions. Start there.
Please tell me you are not so gullible.
I know that both political parties have a hand in the crisis..but industry regulation…which paved the way for corporate greed to run amock and ruin the economy.
WOW I screwed that up! What I meant to say was that it was mostly Repubicans who fought industry regulaton..which paved the way for corporate greed to run amock and ruin the economy.
“mostly”
Ohhh Mary, stop! Not another nail in your coffin!
Please.
Both parties are responsible for where our nation is and how we got here. You want to split hairs now without even researching the facts.
Mary, God Bless your soul. You seem to be a nice person and a true lady.
But please. I hate to say it. You need to get your information from more sources. try please try to read or listen to alternate sources of information. Pretend you are just trying to understand the enemy. Pretent you want to know more about what the opposition is thinking. Pretend there might really be two sides to every story.
So my point is…if you’re going to blame anyone for our country being on the brink of Socialism, then look at the ones who mostly fought regulation. That plus sheer greed got us to this point.
It wasn’t liberals giving home loans to poor people, it was corporations making huge money on high risk, “creative” real estate loans then selling them off, leaving the mortgage companies holding the bag, that caused it to happen.
The “Pelosi packs in hundred of millions of dollars for contraception” is also a falsehood.
Details here: http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/26/contraceptives-stimulus
“No one would be forcing states to pay for family planning services. States can now cover low-income women if they get a state waiver, but approval can take a long time. Despite these bureaucratic hassles, 27 states have already “obtained federal approval to extend Medicaid eligibility for family planning services to individuals who would otherwise not be eligible.” This bill would simply allow states to skip the administrative delays.”
Mary_Caruso
Posted January 26, 2009 at 8:34 pm | Permalink
What the hell are you talking about OK? Are you saying I’m being “hard headed” because I think Obama will be a great leader? Or because I think he’ll do his best?
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I’m saying it because over and over again the truth about what caused the housing bubble has been posted here. Even the quote from Bill Clinton acknowledging how he failed in not doing enough. If the libs stick with their current attack on Bush, who BTW is back in Texas, then we are stuck in neutral. Going nowhere. If we can say Obama is our prez and we support him why, can’t you acknowledge Bush is gone and Obama needs to look for answers.
Roach.. no one but you can hear those voices that you hear…
DavidB
Posted January 26, 2009 at 8:52 pm | Permalink
The “Pelosi packs in hundred of millions of dollars for contraception” is also a falsehood.
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Why would Pelosi need contraception at her age?
And why would she need so much?
David, David, David please don’t be a dufuss. Even if this is the truth. This is a job stimulus plan. Not family planning.
Excuse me…but I’ve been in real estate for a long time..I KNOW how the crisis happened, and what it has done to our economy.
It wasn’t Democrats trying to provide housing for people who couldn’t afford it… it was smart, greedy people manipulating the system to make a lot of money.
“can’t you acknowledge Bush is gone and Obama needs to look for answers.”
Yes, I’m thrilled that Bush is gone and I’m counting on Obama to find the answers. That’s WHY I voted for him.
Mary
Barney Franks
Maxine Watters
Franklin Raines
Rahm Emauel (Director of Freddie Mac during scandal)
Christopher Dodd
Study these names and their roles in the breakdown of the banking system.
There were other greedy people involved but these were some of the main characters. This will give you a start.
I’d rather focus on solutions than wasting time assigning blame. I’d suggest you all do the same.
Good night.
My thoughts exactly Mary. So don’t be making the accusations.
“it was smart, greedy people manipulating the system”
A system which was established under the laws and regulation of congress.
A system which told lenders to not worry about documentation, proof of income, or debt to earnings ratio’s, or credit worthiness.
Yes Mary, you tried to blame a “party” but it takes a village called Congress and a President to pass the regulations which led us to our current state of affairs.
An upcoming Congressional Budget Office is said to report estimates that this waiver change would save $200 million over five years and $700 million over 10. Maybe it doesn’t belong in the bill maybe it does..
House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) has claimed that the package would spend “hundreds of millions on contraceptives.”
Which, I think, is a lie.
CHALLENGE TO ALL POSTERS. PLEASE PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO READ THE OBAMA 2009 STIMULUS PACKAGE. PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG. PLEASE COME BACK TOMORROW WITH THE DETAILS FOR US TO DEBATE AND DISCUSS WITHOUT BLAME. EXAMINE THE PACKAGE TO SEE WHAT YOU SEE WHAT TRULY MIGHT STIMULATE THE ECONOMY. BUT HONESTLY POST WHAT MIGHT NOT. OUR CHILDRENS FUTURE IS AT STAKE. PLEASE SHOW ME THE BEEF. SHOW ME YOU CARE ENOUGH TO FIND THE BEEF.
Obama’s stimulus package raises some hard questions
. . . . . http://crosscut.com/2009/01/09/econ-finance/18764/
Obama to meet on stimulus . . . . http://bulletin.aarp.org/states/hi/articles/obama_to_meet_on_stimulus.html?CMP=KNC-360I-MSN-BULL&HBX_OU=52&HBX_PK=stimulus_package
“An upcoming Congressional Budget Office ”
Congressional Budget Office highly critical of the Obama plan. Says what it has been provided is missing the mark.
Apparently the Stimulus Act won’t well, have any stimulus for years.
http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/stimsummary.pdf
(The CBO is called the democrats “gold standard” they have always lived by it and consider it’s reports the bible. Admittedly the above report is incomplete – becasue the CBO has not been given the entire Stimulus Package to research and analyze. But that’s because congress and the prez are rushing. Democrats have already been critical of their own gold standard. This rarely happens. But then, it rarely happens that congress rushes through without waiting for the details and the time to analyze the legislation.)
President takes on Rush Limbaugh in new media war
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01232009/news/politics/prez_zings_gop_foe_in_a_timulating_talk_151572.htm
Rush just said the equivalent of ‘God Damn America’ and look at the cons fall all over themselves to defend him.
Rush didn’t say “I hope Obama fails at xyz”. He said he hopes Obama FAILS. Why? Because if their conservative Ideals have been such an absymal failure, and if liberal ideals save the day *again*, Rush will be quite marginalized. Even though America wins, he won’t. And that is what matters to conservatives.
The Battle for Talk Radio . . . . .
http://w3.newsmax.com/a/jan08/
Dear PM . . . . “Because if their conservative Ideals have been such an absymal failure, and if liberal ideals save the day *again*, “”"”
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the proof will be in the pudding . . . . . the Democrats are up to bat .. the world is watching .. peace
UPDATE The full CBO report is now available. It finds that roughly two-thirds of the plan’s recovery investments will come in the first 18 months after it is enacted.
http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=199
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9968/hr1.pdf
Wow! Obama puts himself on the same level with an entertainment talk radio host.
Intersting. Peter Orszag used to work for the CBO. He says adjustments can be made to speed it up.
I’d like to see the argument on that one.
Thank you, David.
Careful DavidB.
The evaluation was completed before the changes made to date by congress and the president. Use caution.
We still have not seen the Senate bill.
Enough beef in this burrito?
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9968/hr1.pdf
What Limbaugh hopes is irrelevant to what happens.
He can hope all he want.
Obama’s policies will work or not based on reality, not wishful thinking.
This is the same crap that the CONs argued about in Iraq: “you Libs want us to fail.”
Actually we Libs didn’t want the US to fail in Iraq, but fail Bush did . . .
When yer a Senator, you may get copies of bills in negotiation, okay
We elected men and women to do the details. This is a democracy in a republic, you see. We kind of hire people to do the details…
We think the Obama Team will do a good job.
Even if some are yelling, “Hitler!”, in a crowded theatre… which it totally over the line, btw. I have met a few concentration camp prisoners. Have you ever seen a serial number tatooed on an old woman’s sagging skin?!!!
I walked down the street Anne Frank could only gaze down upon while hiding in the attic for years before she died in Hitler’s camp… ShameL Shame! Shame on you,
“CBO anticipates that implementation of H.R. 1 would have a noticeable impact on economic growth and employment in the next few years.”
Sounds friggin good to me,,,,
http://barelypolitical.com/video/202/obama-girl-obama-duet.html
enjoy
I hope Obama succeeds, I hope this country succeeds. I hope people quit turning a blind eye to the real problem with America. The Federal Reserve and the IRS. The Income Tax is unconstitutional, there is no law saying that U.S. Citizens need to pay the Income Tax. The only Taxes that are legitimate are State and Local Taxes. The Federal Reserve Act was Unconstitutional, and is not a real Amendment. Since 1913 when they Fraudulently passed the Federal Reserve Act when most Congressmen were on Christmas Vacation, this is when our Country started going down Hill, marked by more Booms, Busts, and Wars than the world has ever seen.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7336845760512239683&hl=en
The evolution of mankind is being held back by People who control all the money. Think about it. When money is the primary motive for Humans, we cannot evolve. Money is not the primary motive for the International Bankers and Creditors because they own 90% of all the money, their primary motivation is control and power. This may sound like a bunch of conspiracy mumbo jumbo to some of you. I’m not talking about UFO’s, JFK, World Trade Centers, or any wacky conspiracy theory plots. I’m talking about Greed, and the Lust for Power and Control over others being Mankind’s biggest vice. We’re in a recession because of Bankers and Creditors. Our money is not coined or controlled by Congress or any part of our government. But Bankers and Creditors. Logic will tell you that the War in Iraq was propagated under false pretenses. The War in Afghanistan and the War on Terror are being fought to incite more hate and violence. Think about, if your truely going to fight terrorist, you do it covertly, to avoid propagating more hate towards the U.S., they did it Overtly purposely inciting more hate, to fuel a long, drawn out, probably endless war.
If anybody has read the book, 1984, that is what this world is headed towards, endless warfare and propaganda. Power needs to be fractionated through out the world, so no one person or body of government or body of wealth can exert total control and domination over the whole populace. It’s called checks and balances, a core idea this nation was founded on. The Euro, The United Nations, the Conglomerating of everything is putting the power and wealth in the hands of a few, where there are no checks and balances, and the true powers to be have no one to answer to.
I’m not talking like anything is going to change over night. I’m saying we need to plant the seeds of change. The only way to do that, is for everybody to be educated on this issue. I guarantee, if everybody is aware of the real ways on how our World Currently works, then it will produce a domino effect. Then we will eventually gain back our Sovereignty, because the world won’t stand for it. Globalization in the terms of people coming together, connecting, sharing ideas, and meshing together is good, globalization in the terms of governments, economies, and corporations meshing together is not so good.
Tell everybody you know, that there is no law that claims that Americans must pay an Income Tax. If you don’t’ believe, try to look for the law in writing yourself. Tell everyone, the Federal Reserve is not part of our government, but is a Private Bank that was Fraudulently, and unconstitutionally passed as an Amendment. Ask yourself, is this a world you want your grandchildren to live in, and their children? Watch that Three hour long video, maybe not all at once, but watch all of it, when time allows you. It is an accurate History lesson.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936&hl=en
Conyers has supoenaed Rove to appear 2-2, to question him about the politization of the justice dept. and the prosecution of the Alabama gov.
Rove’s ass is so cooked, no more executive privelege, and bush didn’t give him a parting pardon.
Lately I have been wondering why I have this visual image whenever I read an okobserver post.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=wicked+witch+of+the+west&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#
I not only hope he fails, I pray he doesn’t finish his first term. He is an anti-American racist bigot of the lowest order. Additionally, he is from the Chicago criminal school of politics, so either impeachment or resignation in shame will cut short this sad experiement in allowing a foreign-born mooooslim into the White House.
Secret Service, have you noted the posts of “GenericPatriot”? Have him locked up, yet?
Get to work, if not…
Barnie,
Over the last several decades there have been more than a few Wichitans’ who believed that the law doesn’t require the payment of federal income tax.
Over those years, many of those folks finally had to pay up.
Explain that if there is no such law.
Barnie — There never was a Constitutional Amendment for the Federal Reserve… I’m almost 58 yrs old, and I have known for YEARS that the Fed is a privately owned Bank… What country did you grow up in?? LOL
Oh yea, barnie… I think the Fed has been around since 1913 or 1914…
BTW, Google is your friend!!
I’m not saying you won’t get audited if you don’t file your income tax. I’m saying that the government won’t acknowledge to the American people the legality of it all, and the fact that it’s not a written law. You won’t find it written in the books anywhere, that citizens are required to file income tax. yet they will punish you, and possibly throw you in jail if you don’t. Find me the written law, where it says you must pay income tax.
Chas, well you are one of the few that know,you’ll find that most members of congress aren’t even aware of the fact. Congratulations on your pacifism.
Chas, I’m well aware of the Fact, that the Federal Reserve passed on December 23 1913, if you read my post, I stated that most members of congress were on Christmas vacation when it passed.
Yeah, it’s not an amendment, thank for correcting me there. Besides that, it’s unconstitutional. So I’m not sure if we could abolish a private enterprise, we would have to coin our own notes, to drown out the Fed Notes.
Barnie,
I ran into an artist from California a few years back by the name of J.S. Boggs who draws his own money and spends it; no fraud involved. For example he will order a meal and sit there and draw a bill of a slightly higher denomination than the check, and ask the owner or manager to accept his hand-drawn note at face value, and to bring him the proper change. As most of his customers know, he doesn’t sell currency to collectors of his work, he sells the location where he spent that specific bill, and the collector will then go and negotiate an acceptable price from the owner.
He keeps immaculate records to prove no fraud took place, and the ATF can’t touch him, which makes them pretty angry. So far, he’s spent about $250,000 of his own money and everybody involved comes out ahead, except the govt. They are furious because his work calls into question the whole monetary system!
He’s not doing so much of that anymore, because various governments are commissioning him to design their currency, and he’s done some beautiful bills!
What an interesting story, Jed! Thanks for sharing. I found this link (among others) that allowed me to learn more:
http://artscenecal.com/ArticlesFile/Archive/Articles1999/Articles0999/JBoggsA.html
As this financial mess America and the world find themselves in gets untangled, we’ll probably see some people move back to the ‘bartering’ system where they can. Exchange of a talent or skill for something needed…
There was a point up there, Mare, where I almost thought you were an intelligent and honorable person.
The first Federal income tax was imposed (under Article I, section 8, clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution) during the Civil War, then again in the 1890s, and again after the Sixteenth Amendment was ratified in 1913. Current income taxes are imposed under these constitutional provisions and various sections of Subtitle A of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as amended, including 26 U.S.C. § 1 (imposing income tax on the taxable income of individuals, estates and trusts) and 26 U.S.C. § 11 (imposing income tax on the taxable income of corporations).
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Linda,
Thanks! I hadn’t seen that site on Boggs’ work. I’m going to hang on to that site! What she says expands nicely on what he told me. By the way, he showed me a Harriet Tubman $50 note he had drawn- it was so gorgeous, and so appropriate! I’d love for it to become official!
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