It was no surprise that Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Goddard, was among the minority of House lawmakers who voted today against expanding the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, given that he has opposed it in the past. But it was disappointing that Kansas’ newest delegation member, Rep. Lynn Jenkins, R-Topeka, also voted against helping insure more kids. In defending her vote, she repeated the bogus claim that expanding coverage would somehow hurt low-income children. To their credit, Kansas’ other delegation members, Reps. Jerry Moran, R-Hays, and Dennis Moore, D-Lenexa, put kids before ideology and were among the overwhelming majority that approved the needed measure.
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I see Brownlee brings out the tired old “kids before ideology” slogan, rather than sound argument. A cheapy there Phil. How about; “but, but it’s for the kids…
Evidently it didn’t fit with the ideology of the Democrat majority. How is nationalized health care gonna pass?
Never mind. I re-read it. Why is the vote disappointing if it passed?
Disappointment is born of surprise.
I am never surprised when Republicans are jerks.
Guess I’m one of the few who hates abortion, and think all kids should have quality health care, unlike those who hate abortion, but could care less about the kids once they’re born.
JMW – I’m with you.
A primary reason I found the “pro life” movement hypocritical was its lack of concern for the born.
“BlueJay
Posted January 14, 2009 at 5:32 pm | Permalink
A primary reason I found the “pro life” movement hypocritical was its lack of concern for the born.”
I second that
Kansas Jackass is aptly named.
Good for Jenkins and Tiahrt.
Do you folks, or Brownlee, really know what this bill will do ?
That program is just one step closer to socialized health care.
As George Will recently wrote, if you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait until the government owns it all.
and we all know that if George Will wrote it it must be true
Of course they voted against health insurance for kids, they’re pro-life Republicans. In an article yesterday Tiahrt mentioned how he was concerned for the health of children referring to lead in toys. His concern amount to merely a thought, cod forbid that concern actually lead into action.
Naturally when it came to spending federal money on teenage suicide prevention Tiahrt was in favor. Conservatives only become concerned about social issues when it affects them directly. But in this case it’s just other people’s kids who need health care so Tiahrt merely yawns and votes no.
“A primary reason I found the “pro life” movement hypocritical was its lack of concern for the born.”
Isn’t that the parents job?
Libs: compassionate with OPM
“and we all know that if George Will wrote it it must be true”
Spoken by a true independent.
Increase in tobacco taxes? Who will that hurt most? The same folks the Libs pretend to protect.
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The Senate Finance Committee is expected to approve a similar bill on Thursday, with action by the full Senate to follow quickly.
The bills would be financed by an increase in tobacco taxes, including a 61-cent increase in the tax on cigarettes, to $1 pack.
The House bill includes a major new provision that would allow states to restore health insurance benefits to legal immigrants under 21.
some of the money will be spent to provide public coverage for children who already have private health insurance through their parents’ employers.
“fleettwood
Posted January 14, 2009 at 6:06 pm | Permalink
“and we all know that if George Will wrote it it must be true”
Spoken by a true independent.”
apparently you could benefit from learning a new word today: sarcasm
“fleettwood
Posted January 14, 2009 at 6:12 pm | Permalink
…
some of the money will be spent to provide public coverage for children who already have private health insurance through their parents’ employers.”
how much of the money? 1%? 2%?
“apparently you could benefit from learning a new word today: sarcasm”
I got that part. You are no independent. It just makes you feel all warm and cozy. You are ashamed to be a Lib (correctly), so you call yourself “independent”. Hogwash.
“how much of the money? 1%? 2%?”
Who knows? It is other people money afterall.
We are paying immigrants health care? They come here and go on the dole?
I think the day will come when one’s worth to the society will be the deciding factor in heath care.
Retired? You are not contributing to society anymore so why prolong your life?
The child does not make good grades and is sick or injured, why waste the time and money if the child does not show a potential? Heath care should not be able money but rather a matter of pure human being.
If we are better then the animals we should be better then the animals. Heath, shelter, food is a human concern. But then we could use to lose some of the excess population, so what make you NOT excess population and whom decides you are or are not?
“fleettwood
Posted January 14, 2009 at 6:17 pm | Permalink
…You are no independent. It just makes you feel all warm and cozy. You are ashamed to be a Lib (correctly), so you call yourself “independent”. Hogwash.”
Liberal and Conservative are terms used by people to help themselves find an identity. They break the world into discrete, black and white, us and them terms so they can point to others and say “I am not like them” and thus define their identity.
I do not base my identity or my self-worth on political labels.
“I think the day will come when one’s worth to the society will be the deciding factor in heath care.”
Kumbaya Kumbaya
“I do not base my identity or my self-worth on political labels.”
Of course you don’t, because calling yourself what you are is disgusting. Another self-hating Lib.
Perhaps you could call yourself a Progressive and be all better?
“fleettwood
Posted January 14, 2009 at 6:19 pm | Permalink
“how much of the money? 1%? 2%?”
Who knows? It is other people money afterall.
We are paying immigrants health care? They come here and go on the dole?”
Probably some immigrants’ (I presume you mean illegal immigrants) health care is paid for by the Government.
But I would rather risk paying a little more and ensuring that 100% of American kids are covered than focus on preventing kids born in other countries from having Government paid health care in the US and potentially allow American kids to go uncovered.
“(I presume you mean illegal immigrants)”
You presume wrong. The bill is for the legals.
“fleettwood
Posted January 14, 2009 at 6:27 pm | Permalink
“I do not base my identity or my self-worth on political labels.”
Of course you don’t, because calling yourself what you are is disgusting. Another self-hating Lib.
Perhaps you could call yourself a Progressive and be all better?”
I don’t call myself by any labels like that. That allows me to pick and choose specific policies that I like and don’t like without having to reconcile my dislike of a particular stance with what a ‘Liberal’ or ‘Conservative’ should be for or against.
I don’t expect you to understand this because you live deeply entrenched in your us vs them world of liberals vs conservatives. If that helps you feel good about yourself and makes it easier to sleep at night, more power to you. But your way does not work for me.
“But I would rather risk paying a little more and ensuring that 100% of American kids are covered….”
That is the parents’ job, not yours, not mine.
And the chances you pay anything for this is pretty small.
“fleettwood
Posted January 14, 2009 at 6:28 pm | Permalink
“(I presume you mean illegal immigrants)”
You presume wrong. The bill is for the legals.”
Great. They should have the exact same rights, responsibilities and rewards as natural born citizens.
“fleettwood
Posted January 14, 2009 at 6:31 pm | Permalink
…And the chances you pay anything for this is pretty small.”
How so?
“fleettwood
Posted January 14, 2009 at 6:31 pm | Permalink
“But I would rather risk paying a little more and ensuring that 100% of American kids are covered….”
That is the parents’ job, not yours, not mine.”
Why shouldn’t that same stance of familial or personal responsibility be applied to elderly, the disabled, or the infirm? Taking your approach, it would be no different to say that healthcare for the elderly or the disabled should be their own (or those upon whom they are dependant if that is the case) responsibility and the Government should not help them.
I hope your buddy Regular knows you want the Government to stop paying for his healthcare.
“Great. They should have the exact same rights, responsibilities and rewards as natural born citizens.”
You skipped over the responsibilities part pretty quick.
You immigrate here and go on the dole?
We have enough natural born folks with there hand out.
No thanks. Go back.
Go back to the country you Libs think is better than here.
“fleettwood
Posted January 14, 2009 at 6:37 pm | Permalink
“Great. They should have the exact same rights, responsibilities and rewards as natural born citizens.”
You skipped over the responsibilities part pretty quick.
You immigrate here and go on the dole?
We have enough natural born folks with there hand out.
No thanks. Go back.
Go back to the country you Libs think is better than here.”
It is always the same with you when you are stumped…attack the messenger and ignore the message.
That speaks a lot to your character
“Taking your approach, it would be no different to say that healthcare for the elderly or the disabled should be their own (or those upon whom they are dependant if that is the case) responsibility and the Government should not help them.”
You are getting close. The slippery slope is happening. Those whom they are dependant is they way it should be, first.
If you are referring to Regular who served his country and is getting Healthcare, then you are a pig. He earned it. His employer is paying for his healthcare. You people love that, don’t you?
“attack the messenger and ignore the message.”
I attacked the people who come here and go on the dole.
“I attacked the people who come here and go on the dole.”
Like who? I don’t know of anyone born in another country, who immigrated to the USA and is now “on the dole”. The only ones I know who are “on the dole” are disabled American citizens. You know, you can’t get government assistance just because you don’t want to work.
“If you are referring to Regular who served his country and is getting Healthcare, then you are a pig. He earned it. His employer is paying for his healthcare. You people love that, don’t you?”
What I resent is someone who spends a few years in the military and then feels entitled to free health care for life. Many Americans contribute in important ways to the well being of our country and I don’t think they are less deserving than those who served in the miltary. Health care should be affordable and accessable to every American, not just a priveleged few.
Mary last I heard anyone who is eligible is allowed to join the military, put in the required years and then be entitled to the benefits in their employmemt contract with their employer, the US government. You had that option, I had that option – I chose not to and therefore don’t qualify for health insurance. Regular did and now has that benefit for life.
It’s all about choices.
Like I said before, ALL American should have access to affordable health care. And I don’t think someone in the military deserve more or better benefits than any other American who works and serves their country.
I wish I could work as a nurse for a few years, then have health care benefits for life…that would be sweet!
I only have benefits as long as I’m able to work. If I should get sick and become disabled, then I’m out of luck and I lose everything I’ve worked for in the last 37 years.
We need a better system in this country, so that everyone can get the health care they need without having to go bankrupt to do it.
“We need a better system in this country, so that everyone can get the health care they need without having to go bankrupt to do it.
Or even work for it, isn’t that what you actually mean?
If you call working for over two decades a few years Mary, then I’m confused. Getting assigned every couple of years to a new base or overseas and a lot of inconveniences civilians don’t even realize.
The problem is you can work your a$$ off and that isn’t going to garantee getting health care benefits.
And yes, I think health care should be a right. My disabled clients can’t work for their benefits, but they deserve to have health care like anyone else.
“If you call working for over two decades a few years Mary, then I’m confused. Getting assigned every couple of years to a new base or overseas and a lot of inconveniences civilians don’t even realize.”
Oh cut me a break, Reg..I’ve been a nurse for over 22 yrs and I’ll bet I worked just as hard and probably harder than anyone in the military…and believe me, my work has more than it’s share of inconveniences.
And you don’t have to spend 20 years in the military to get free health care.
Hatemonger whines:
“Or even work for it, isn’t that what you actually mean?”
So your solution is for people who become sick or disabled to not get health care because they can’t work. However, if they got health care then they’d become more productive. So you’re for health care as long as nobody needs it. Except for the rich who don’t need to work for health care because they are rich. Yeah, the reasoning of the conservative, everyone is equal but some are more equal than others.
Not surprising conservatives shout how much they love America, they just hate the Americans.
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Mary_Caruso
Posted January 14, 2009 at 8:15 pm | Permalink
The problem is you can work your a$$ off and that isn’t going to garantee getting health care benefits.
And yes, I think health care should be a right. My disabled clients can’t work for their benefits, but they deserve to have health care like anyone else.
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It was in the contracts we signed (commissioned) when we joined up that Medical Care would be available if we put in at least 20 years. Perhaps you need a better bargaining agent?
Are you required to run five miles every morning to stay in shape Mary? Just wondering…
Sweetie..I run at least 5 miles everyday at work, and I’m no spring chicken.
Mary in this great country we live in the disabled are covered under medicare is they have worked and have an earning history. They are also able to draw SS if eligible and SSI if not.
If they have no history and aren’t a dependent of a covered parent or spouse if they fall withing the income guidelines they qualify for medicaid.
I’m not sure what you mean by someone ‘not’ being covered. Do you mean the benefits are inadequate or nonexistent?
Oh, I forgot the obvious. Clearly Boxlock is advocating a return to child labor. The kids need to get put to work in order to get their health care. Brilliant. Love those old timey values. But I’m not surprised Boxlock and his fellow conservative cronies hold on for dear life the benefits they’ve received from nasty socialized programs those evil liberals brought us like:
education
highway system
military
clean water
rural electrification
internet
space program
disease eradication (polio, smallpox, etc)
social security
and many other things they’ll gladly take after they wish it never existed.
How about you guys take your anti-American attitudes to a true capitalist society like Sudan?
My husband was in teh service for over 7 years..he can get free health care at the VA if he chooses..and he never had to run after he got out of boot camp.
“they just hate the Americans.”
Just the dead beat, gimme gimme’s.
“Like who? I don’t know of anyone born in another country, who immigrated to the USA and is now “on the dole”.”
So, why did they bother to pass the legislation?
Maybe your tiny universe is irrelevent.
“I’m not sure what you mean by someone ‘not’ being covered. Do you mean the benefits are inadequate or nonexistent?”
Health care benefits are non-existant for many working Americans.
And my reference to the disabled was in response to a post that insinuated that those who don’t work for their benefits have no right to health care.
Wow, I wish I’d had voted for Boyda now. If she can’t vote for a decent item like this, that really tests what a con she is. So much for me voting for a republican ever, ever again.
“So, why did they bother to pass the legislation?
Maybe your tiny universe is irrelevent.”
So…DO you know anyone from another country who is living “on the dole?” in this country?
I really don’t think it’s a problem.
You can’t get Medicaid or any other government entitlements if you’re not a citizen.
Well, the SCHIP passed… overwhelming majority… Guess that puts a whole lot of CONS on the losing side of this very important issue….
Anybody who can look at needy sick children, and huff and puff about the expense, in my opinion, needs to see some kind of counselor… for which many insurance carriers cover a good chunk of the cost….
I just do NOT understand what the CONS have against CHILDREN….. CHILDREN!!!! What have these unfortunate kids ever done to the CONS???
It’s just flat out SICK!!!
Chas asks:
“I just do NOT understand what the CONS have against CHILDREN….. CHILDREN!!!! What have these unfortunate kids ever done to the CONS???”
Simple, they stopped being fetuses.
And the same cons will say that the trillions of dollars and 4,000 American lives we wasted invading Iraq was worth the cost.
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Mary_Caruso
Posted January 14, 2009 at 8:24 pm | Permalink
My husband was in teh service for over 7 years..he can get free health care at the VA if he chooses..and he never had to run after he got out of boot camp.
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Ya, that was old school, we called them ‘brown shoes’; hold overs from WWII, Korea and early Vietnam days. There was some big fat slobs in those groups, amazing they remained on active duty.
In the modern military, fitness is a must, you have to pass running and my case (and for others) you had to pass flight physical tests which were rather strenuous. No one is going to carry your flight and duffle bag one half mile across a burning hot or freezing cold runway just because you are out of shape. Then there are survivor courses and red flag exercises one has to pass that are physically challenging.
This is not your father’s military, people have to meet weight standards and be in tip top shape.
True, your husband can get limited care at the VA on a space available bases. He won’t get much support for any new illnesses or injuries that are not service connected.
Even though they told my health care would be free, Congress passed laws and changed it. I have to pay for both Medical and Dental care insurance myself if I want to have a choice in who treats me. Granted, it’s not as expensive as some health care plans, but I feel that I’ve earned the less expensive health care.
If it was so easy, everyone would do it. But they don’t and yet they criticize the people that do sacrifice their time, their freedom and put their lives at risk.
If you were in the military Mary, you could have been commissioned and served as a nurse. Put twenty years in or more and you could have been hauling in additional income too.
I’m very disappointed that Tiahrt & Jenkins, who I believe are anti-abortion, have little or no interest in a child’s well-being after he/she is born. fyi: I believe that abortion should be safe, legal, and very rare. Contraception is not that difficult to obtain and is a lot cheaper than an abortion. Think ahead to what the consequences are!
Many of you seem to think that it is ok to ignore the needs of a helpless child because you are politically against the bill and blame the parents for the existence of the child. Is there not a higher view than the political one?
As one of the posters on another thread said recently: “Suffer the little children to come unto Me.” For those, like me, who claim to follow the Christian tradition, I see that like another commandment.
Regular, the military is a fat camp.
http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/Americas/2009/jan/Military-Considers-Fat-Camp-to-Help-Overweight-Recruits-Slim-Down.html
It’s OK to spend money killing children in countries that are no threat to us..but not for providing basic and preventative health care for American children.
Mary I was just a little confused about the disability comment. Owning a small business I can tell you that health insurance is our biggest expense every month. There does need to be something done to help business that absolutely can’t afford to offer this benefit. Bigger pools to get better rates is one possible solution. Some type of subsidy for employers might be a solution. Instead of handing out benefits to people who might or might not spend it and spur the economy give some aid to small businesses who are the largest generator of new jobs.
Somewhere in the middle there is a solution.
Lib arguments
But, but it’s for the kids. Melts your heart. No matter what, if it’s for the kids you can’t argue against it without being vilified. You don’t care about kids, you heartless SOB. No matter that their parents can afford insurance.
Or, I like this one. If you are hesitant paying for insurance for everybody’s kids and are pro-life, you only care about pre-born humans. What a moronic argument. No dumbsh*t, if someone were killing kids, everyone would be all over that too.
But really, is there anything we will say we can’t afford these days? With the war in Iraq, the bailouts etc… what is another billion or ten? WE have become incredibly jaded.
We better get our heads on straight or we are headed for mediocrity.
The House bill includes a major new provision that would allow states to restore health insurance benefits to legal immigrants under 21.
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That would be the people on the dole.
“If you were in the military Mary, you could have been commissioned and served as a nurse. Put twenty years in or more and you could have been hauling in additional income too.”
What I do is as valuble as any service to the military. And my husband was never fat and out of shape.
“but not for providing basic and preventative health care for American children.”
That’s the parents job. Not mine.
Jane what exactly did this bills passage mean. Would more kids have been covered? If so what were the ramifications of raising income level necessary to qualify.
I haven’t done my homework on this yet but plan to. It will be back I am sure and hopefully will actually do what it is intended to do.
“I believe that abortion should be safe, legal, and very rare.”
Kumbaya
“The House bill includes a major new provision that would allow states to restore health insurance benefits to legal immigrants under 21.
That would be the people on the dole.”
Whatever….I’d still rather see our money go to health care than to waste trillions waging war for oil.
Okob — Do you belong to the NFIB?? They offer much lower rates, because as a member, you can get significantly lower group rates for you as owners, and for your employees…
I agree boxlock, we should raise the gas tax to pay for wars for oil. If the Republicans took fiscal responsibility and paid for their wasteful programs, rather than shift the debt to kids (who they won’t give health care to) then maybe you morons wouldn’t engage is so many wasteful programs.
And no, I am not a membership recruiter for NFIB…
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Mary_Caruso
Posted January 14, 2009 at 8:39 pm | Permalink
“If you were in the military Mary, you could have been commissioned and served as a nurse. Put twenty years in or more and you could have been hauling in additional income too.”
What I do is as valuble as any service to the military. And my husband was never fat and out of shape.
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No doubt you earn your money Mary.
Never said your husband was fat. Was just an observation that there was no quality control of personnel back in the day. Fat people, people in horrible condition, alcoholics – all were allowed to remain on duty.
That doesn’t happen anymore. If you aren’t fit physically, mentally; in good health, abuse any kind of drug – one won’t be allowed to stay in, period.
“waste trillions waging war for oil.”
Trite. Maybe the you peoples in congress could have done something about it. Obama should have done more. You people could have stopped it.
i am curious if fleettwood works…
what is your source of income?
“but not for providing basic and preventative health care for American children.”
That’s the parents job. Not mine.”
A child is everyone’s responsibilty..”it takes a village.”
Do you also resent paying for schools, libraries, and anything else that might benefit children?
Mary, Its kind of odd to see conservatives thinking that working for the Government for 20 years makes them more special than people who work in the private sector, and actually drive the economy.
Chas we shop it each year and have found lower rates through WIBA Wichita Independent Business Association. Not familliar with the one you mentioned.
But yet they decry socialism while they take advantage of it!
NFIB is nationwide… check it out… might save you some $$$$
“Trite. Maybe the you peoples in congress could have done something about it. Obama should have done more. You people could have stopped it.”
You peoples? Can someone provide a translation?
Tom I don’t think it has anything to do with libs or cons. You sign a contract when you join the military and health insurance is one of the benefits. True others do work that is as valuable but they also have more stability in their lifes. No one will call them in tomorrow and say next week you are leaving for Iraq. Tell your family goodbye.
There are tradeoffs. We all make choices.
Seems to me if people are LEGAL immigrants they should be eligible or anything for which any other citizen is eligible…
There arent many 100% native americans left anymore… Most of us have some kind of immigrant in us…
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TomPaine
Posted January 14, 2009 at 8:46 pm | Permalink
Mary, Its kind of odd to see conservatives thinking that working for the Government for 20 years makes them more special than people who work in the private sector, and actually drive the economy.
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I’m also a disabled Veteran. If you think its fun being in pain 24/7, can’t feel part of your legs and your feet are completely numb, let me know we can swap places so you can get the experience.
Thanks Chas I will.
I know Reg… i got the same thing… only I cant qualify for being disabled… So, you hang in there sunshine…
Good nite all.
My worst complaint is that I cant always feel the clutch right away on my little 5-speed car… Other than that, the pain pills work pretty good, and with diet, the sugar stays in pretty good control…
“Maggotpunk
Posted January 14, 2009 at 8:49 pm | Permalink
“Trite. Maybe the you peoples in congress could have done something about it. Obama should have done more. You people could have stopped it.”
You peoples? Can someone provide a translation?”
translation:
blah blah blah
blah blah
blah blah blah blah
Chas
Posted January 14, 2009 at 8:53 pm | Permalink
I know Reg… i got the same thing… only I cant qualify for being disabled… So, you hang in there sunshine.
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I don’t see why not. I see people at the Endocrinology clinic who have diabetes symptoms and qualify for SSDI.
I never bothered to apply because I felt guilty I would be milking the same cow twice.
okobserver:
I was too lazy to retype all this so did a copy/paste thing. Google had several other items to explain the bill.
By The Associated Press –
Highlights of House-passed bill to expand government-provided health care to children of low and middle-income families:
_Preserves coverage for about 7 million children enrolled in the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) and extends coverage for an estimated 4 million more.
_Gives states the option of covering pregnant women. (That can lead to a healthier baby being born.)
_Gives states the option of covering LEGAL immigrant children and LEGAL immigrant pregnant women who have been in the country less than five years.
_Provides $100 million in grants for states, local governments, schools and others to enroll more eligible children.
_Increases the federal excise tax on cigarettes by 61 cents to $1 a pack. Other tobacco products experience similar tax increases.
_Mandates that states offer a dental benefit in their SCHIP programs.
_Denies new waivers for states seeking to use SCHIP funds to cover non-parent adults. Terminates existing waivers after one year..
_Makes it harder for physician-owned specialty hospitals to expand. Disqualifies new physician-owned hospitals from billing Medicare. Such hospitals tend to specialize in cardiac care, orthopedics and surgeries. General hospitals have complained that those hospitals are focusing on the most lucrative patients.
_Prohibits insurance companies from charging copays or deductibiles for mental health care higher than those charged for other medical services.
Hosted by Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
Mary_Caruso
Posted January 14, 2009 at 7:48 pm | Permalink
I wish I could work as a nurse for a few years, then have health care benefits for life…that would be sweet!
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Mary,
If you’d spent 20-30 years in the military, you would have had that option.
I don’t begrudge any retired military, even Regular, their retirement benefits. While you’re in, military pay is lousy and there’s always the chance that serving in the military might cost you your life.
“Regular
Posted January 14, 2009 at 8:52 pm | Permalink
…I’m also a disabled Veteran…”
It is sad that people like fleettwood would try to take away your disability benefits.
Okob…. http://www.nfib.com/page/home
“I’m also a disabled Veteran. If you think its fun being in pain 24/7, can’t feel part of your legs and your feet are completely numb, let me know we can swap places so you can get the experience.”
I work with people every day who have the same problems…only some of them can’t get the health care they need because of the games that insurance companies like to play in order to increase their bottom line. Or maybe they have no insurance at all because their employer doesn’t offer it and they can’t afford to buy their own.
It’s really unfair.
Pain and suffering makes no distinction between who has benefits and who doesn’t.
Good night.
“translation:
blah blah blah
blah blah
blah blah blah blah”
Oh, so I did read it right. Thanks Brian.
Mary_Caruso
Posted January 14, 2009 at 8:58 pm | Permalink
I work with people every day who have the same problems…only some of them can’t get the health care they need because of the games that insurance companies like to play in order to increase their bottom line. Or maybe they have no insurance at all because their employer doesn’t offer it and they can’t afford to buy their own.
It’s really unfair.
Pain and suffering makes no distinction between who has benefits and who doesn’t.
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Then they aren’t trying very hard.
They could get medicaid, medicare and perhaps qualify for SSDI if they are disable and unable to perform on a job.
You must attend to people unaware what’s available to them. Drop some pamphlets off to them or have the government send them mailers.
There’s health care for those who can’t afford it and can’t find work to get it.
“Maggotpunk
Posted January 14, 2009 at 9:00 pm | Permalink
“translation:
blah blah blah
blah blah
blah blah blah blah”
Oh, so I did read it right. Thanks Brian.”
Happy to help.
I have lived among the tribes of Kansas for years so I have learned their language.
Reg. says >>>>
“I don’t see why not. I see people at the Endocrinology clinic who have diabetes symptoms and qualify for SSDI.”
Because I am not unable to earn a living… Thus, I am not “totally” disabled…. Thus, no SSDI for me… That doesnt bother me… I am not complaining… Wont be too long, and I will draw a good pension…
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brian_nuevo
Posted January 14, 2009 at 8:57 pm | Permalink
“Regular
Posted January 14, 2009 at 8:52 pm | Permalink
…I’m also a disabled Veteran…”
It is sad that people like fleettwood would try to take away your disability benefits.
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Doubt that.
Besides, it isn’t that much in actual dollars, about $400.00/month and that is deducted from my retired pay not a separate check. It is tax free, but that’s a side benefit of not much account.
Always playing the Devil’s Advocate eh Brian?
Don’t you have anything constructive to add to the discussion?
Oh yea, I also opted out of paying into Soc. Sec. in 1977… That makes a difference as well…. But, I’m not eligible under our own denominational plan either…. because I am perfectly able to earn a living…
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TomPaine
Posted January 14, 2009 at 8:46 pm | Permalink
Mary, Its kind of odd to see conservatives thinking that working for the Government for 20 years makes them more special than people who work in the private sector, and actually drive the economy.
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I may be wrong, but I’ll bet you never served in the military.
“Regular
Posted January 14, 2009 at 9:05 pm | Permalink
…Always playing the Devil’s Advocate eh Brian?”
Not always but it is a role I often enjoy.
JimJohnson
Posted January 13, 2009 at 2:03 pm | Permalink
Chas
Posted January 13, 2009 at 12:17 pm | Permalink
Anybody with half a brain knows what children are covered by SCHIP…
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Ok Chas. Prove you have half a brain.
What children are covered by SCHIP? (You’ve said this program should be renewed, you should know.)
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Chas cannot prove that he has even HALF a brain.
Chas when you opt out of SS do you still pay into medicare. If not does your retirement come with health insurance. Just curious. I know some pastors do opt out just wasn’t sure if you still had to apy medicare.
TomPaine
Posted January 14, 2009 at 8:46 pm | Permalink
Mary, Its kind of odd to see conservatives thinking that working for the Government for 20 years makes them more special than people who work in the private sector, and actually drive the economy.
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Say Tom, how often you put your life at risk in your private sector job?
You know how little our military gets paid for what they do, while risking their lives?
Most of you Libs have no respect for anyone who serves in the military and defends your right to disrespect them openly.
“Most of you Libs have no respect for anyone who serves in the military and defends your right to disrespect them openly.”
Why should we? It’s a job working for a corporation like any other job. Should I respect employees at Blackwater for shooting unarmed civilians in the back for the entertainment value? Or maybe I should pat someone on the back for bravely invading a third world country so oil supplies could be secured that protects billions in profit for oil companies?
Chas
Posted January 14, 2009 at 8:32 pm | Permalink
Well, the SCHIP passed… overwhelming majority… Guess that puts a whole lot of CONS on the losing side of this very important issue….
Anybody who can look at needy sick children, and huff and puff about the expense, in my opinion, needs to see some kind of counselor… for which many insurance carriers cover a good chunk of the cost….
I just do NOT understand what the CONS have against CHILDREN….. CHILDREN!!!! What have these unfortunate kids ever done to the CONS???
It’s just flat out SICK!!!
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What’s sick is the little maggot koolaide drinkers like you Chas, who can’t even define which children are being helped by this Bill.
Those opposed to this Bill are NOT children haters, as your little pea brain might actually beleive. Rather, the opposition is opposed to Federal welfare for the rich parents who can afford to buy healthcare for their children.
Welfare for the Rich Chas. I thought you opposed that too.
Naw, you’re just a koolaide drinker with your hand held out waiting for your turn at the money tree.
Zimbabwe is going through a cholera epidemic. Too bad they don’t have one of those wasteful, liberal, socialist programs that provide clean drinking water or some wasteful institution like the CDC. Conservative values triumph again. Too bad conservatives can’t stop the liberals from having a bunch of ill, lame, diseased children in America.
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Maggotpunk
Posted January 14, 2009 at 9:20 pm | Permalink
Zimbabwe is going through a cholera epidemic. Too bad they don’t have one of those wasteful, liberal, socialist programs that provide clean drinking water or some wasteful institution like the CDC. Conservative values triumph again. Too bad conservatives can’t stop the liberals from having a bunch of ill, lame, diseased children in America.
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False,
Almost every Africa country if they chose to could get medical and food aid.
The main problem is that they are at war/conflict most of the time and hijack or misdirect the aid for themselves or the black market.
African countries are their own worst enemies. They are not stupid people, they just haven’t learned to get along with each other.
Thanks Regular for showing how out of touch you are. War is a capitalist enterprise. Do you think people wouldn’t be killing themselves over tin if we weren’t paying such a high price for it? Africans are simply engaging in capitalism. What’s the solution, a strong centralized government with regulations? Nah, conservatives would go insane with those liberal programs to limit capitalism. And I suppose we can ignore the long history of colonialism, slavery, imposed single crop agriculture, etc. Keep on living in that black and white world.
Ugh, I’m sick of dealing with conservative’s racism. Later.
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Maggotpunk
Posted January 14, 2009 at 9:31 pm | Permalink
Thanks Regular for showing how out of touch you are. War is a capitalist enterprise. Do you think people wouldn’t be killing themselves over tin if we weren’t paying such a high price for it? Africans are simply engaging in capitalism. What’s the solution, a strong centralized government with regulations? Nah, conservatives would go insane with those liberal programs to limit capitalism. And I suppose we can ignore the long history of colonialism, slavery, imposed single crop agriculture, etc. Keep on living in that black and white world.
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Aid in the form of food and medicine has been sent to Africa ever since I can remember (even as a kid.)
Try your propaganda on someone who doesn’t have selective memory such as yourself.
Regular,
There’s no arguing with a maggot who thinks municipal water and sewers are evidence of Socialism.
Water, Sewers, Roads, National Defense, are things that benefit all of us equally.
Socialist programs take from one group and give to another.
Maybe the maggot gets free water/sewer services somehow. (P’s and C raps on BJ’s yard?)
Technially Mr Johnson since the government owns the Sewer and water systems that would be socialism and theirs no reason a private company couldn’t manage those.
Socialist programs take from one group and give to another.
you mean like paying regulars disability and health care? Doesn’t bother me that part of my tax dollars are used to help people
Thank you Phillip. There is nothing wrong with ensuring the health of Kansas children. To contend otherwise, reveals the absolute bankruptcy of the Kansas conservative position.
Hating children is not a family friendly position. Nor a family value.
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TomPaine
Posted January 14, 2009 at 10:11 pm | Permalink
Socialist programs take from one group and give to another.
you mean like paying regulars disability and health care? Doesn’t bother me that part of my tax dollars are used to help people
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I’ve always paid income taxes for federal and state.
Let’s not try and push a boulder with a straw.
JJ is on his socialist rant. Leaving No doubt he is the former, but now banned poster, Max…
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brian_nuevo
Posted January 14, 2009 at 8:45 pm | Permalink
i am curious if fleettwood works…
what is your source of income?
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That’s easy. He is self-employed. Which means his poor, little wife works to support him.
I sure hope that Mary_Caruso’s not arguing her case for free lifetime healthcare because she’s a nurse while she’s at work not actually nursing.
And which country do you think is more socialist, Zimbabwe, or the US?
The facts are that the more free economies have cleaner water, cleaner air, higher income, lower infant mortality etc. Do you think the resources that allow such good things are created or forced by the government or the capitalistic, private sector?
Do you really not know the difference b/t North and South Korea and why the differences exist?
I note that it is those who HAVE health care, including and especially those who have government provided health care that would seem to want to deny it to needy kids.
Not true Junior.
I have no problem with seeing the government providing health care insurance assistance to families that need it.
I do draw the line of families with sufficient incomes >$50,000 who qualify under SCHIP or other programs. Granted, if there are a large number of children, I can see it.
For smaller families, now way…
now way = no way
How small a family Regular?
Where do you draw the line at which children are deserving of health care and which are not?
If a family makes 50,000 a year with two or three children, they shouldn’t qualify for SCHIP.
If the family makes 50,000 a year with four or more children, then they can be considered. I said considered, not a guarantee.
Families with few children and making $50,000 a year should be able to buy a family medical insurance package with negligible problems.
Nice place you sit in judgment there Regular.
You have no kids and all your needs are met by the Government.
My take is you are protecting your own turf.
BlueJay
Posted January 14, 2009 at 11:10 pm | Permalink
Nice place you sit in judgment there Regular.
You have no kids and all your needs are met by the Government.
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So attacking me is your answer Junior?
That’s not an answer, it’s copping out.
I have members of my family with children and similar incomes. They have health care insurance and make do with what they have.
Your petty jealousy of my status is sad and also irrelevant to the discussion.
Oh, and I pay for my own medical and dental insurance.
How about you Junior?
What do you do for your kid?
Mega Dittos, BlueJay.
People who prefer to have sick kids die as long as we don’t have GASP! socialism.
Eight year old child holding a teddy bear with tubes running into his veins: “yes, daddy, I agree that if I let government pay for my life-saving operation, then Stalin will have won . . . “
Regular “pays for his OWN MEDICAL insurance,” he says in outraged tones.
He neglected to add, all his money comes from taxpayers . . .
What I want to know is why we are supporting you Regular.
It’s not unfairly attacking you or irrelevant to point out that you live very comfortably on welfare while doggedly fighting it for others.
What makes you so special?
Oh and before you protest your status as a veteran Regular, remember that I am not advocating denying you anything.
It is you sitting taken care of who seems to think he is the arbiter of who is and is not worthy.
There’s no arguing with a maggot who thinks municipal water and sewers are evidence of Socialism.
Water, Sewers, Roads, National Defense, are things that benefit all of us equally.
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Total bull.
Roads benefit trucking firms, car companies, and real estate developers much more than they benefit ordinary people.
City water benefits golf courses much more than someone who lives in an apartment building.
“National defense” as in our wars of imperialism in Iran (Operation Ajax), Vietnam, Nicaragua, Panama, Iraq etc. didn’t benefit me at all.
It did benefit Halliburton and other giant multinational corporations greatly.
Our military is little more than “muscle” for powerful corporate interests.
BTW, since Rhonda won’t start any threads negative of Bush . . . did you all see that Osama bin Laden issued another statement.
Bush is politically dead and Osama is very much alive.
“Mission Accomplished.”
“I have members of my family with children and similar incomes. ”
Isn’t it you cons who say charity begins at home?
I mean your sister is already working while you blog all day under this nic or that. Can’t your family provide for you and you leave the aid to those more needy?
Well, isn’t it always nice how the liberals can feel so good about themselves and helping others by doing it with someone elses money.
Isn’t that what we are doing Nathan?
For Regular AND for you?
Who paid for you health care while you were young Nathan?
My Father did.
Who is paying for your child BlueJay?
You’re right, Nathan.
The biggest unfunded expenditure paid for by the US taxpayer is for the military.
Those socialistic freeloaders should get off the gov’t dime.
You want a new aircraft carrier?
Have a freaking BAKE SALE.
CapnAmerica,
I see that you still don’t understand the difference between providing a service and getting paid for it and well… just getting paid.
Let me explain:
In one situation, someone works (if you need the definition of work, let me know) and then they are paid for the work they do.
In another situation, someone simply gets money, no work involved.
Do I need to get a big purple dinosaur to explain it to you?
Another thread you’ll never see:
“What we did with Qatani [the so-called 20th hijacker] was TORTURE,” said a federal judge throwing out the evidence because it was coerced and thus invalid.
Nice job, Rumsfailed. You commit war-crimes AND make sure he doesn’t get punished for terrorism at the same time.
Well lots gets posted here.
I seem to remember Nathan posting that at some time or other he was on food stamps. Or, his mother was. Or maybe his dad was.
Care to clarify Nathan?
Oh and to answer your question Nathan, aside from Healthwave, I am raising my son alone.
Does your experience help you understand that?
BlueJay,
So your liberal buddies never got together to help you out?
Figures.
Nathan says, “In one situation, someone works and then they are paid for the work they do.”
Yeah, those damn little kids.
If they really wanted medical care, they’d work for it.
They could join the Marines for instance . . . kinda like Hitler’s troops in April of 1945.
CapnAmerica,
That, or their parents (BlueJay) could provide it for them.
Tell us again why you can’t pay for your own son’s health care BlueJay?
Nathan I know that you and your father are jealous that I have friends here and you do not.
Why bother about what my friends do for me or I do for them?
I asked you a question. Were you or were you not at some time or other on food stamps?
I’m still trying to figure out Nathan’s false distinction.
If taxpayers hire military types to protect them against invasion, that’s not socialism because the soldiers are “working” for pay.
However if taxpayers hire doctors to protect them when they get sick, that’s GASP! socialism because . . . why? . . . the doctors aren’t working?
CapnAmerica,
We are not hiring doctors and they are not employed by the government.
We are taking money from taxpayers and using it to help pay for medical bills associated with children.
And the argument isn’t that I don’t agree with some level of funding or not.
The argument is that somehow you think that people in the military are living off the government dime like it is charity.
Which is absurd.
BlueJay,
So why is it again that you can’t afford health care for your son?
While you sit around bragging on this blog about how you will not work for the man?
This forum has been around for some time Nathan and I have a good memory.
Your father lives rather well.
But if I really looked, I could find him posting a brag on how he does it on taxpayer dollars.
SURELY he should renounce that. He might also want to make up economically for not being there for you.
BTW, Nathan, you asked many moons ago if I had any evidence of the military torturing prisoners.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=6643535
Susan. J. Crawford is the top Bush administration official overseeing the military trials of terrorist suspects held at the U.S. prison in Cuba. She told The Washington Post that the United States tortured a Saudi man in 2002. The legal implications of the treatment prevented her from bringing him to trial, Crawford said.
“We tortured Qahtani,” Crawford said, making her the first senior Bush administration official to say that aggressive interrogation techniques had crossed the line.
“His treatment met the legal definition of torture, and that’s why I did not refer the case” for prosecution, she said.
Al-Qahtani in October 2006 recanted a confession he said he made after he was tortured and humiliated at Guantanamo.
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He was apparently kept awake for 22 straight days and nearly died, among other things . . .
“Nathaniel” capsulizes CONspeak with –
“Well, isn’t it always nice how the liberals can feel so good about themselves and helping others by doing it with someone elses money.”
First off, it’s not “someone else’s money,” a a little bit of everyone’s money. And in return, everyone benefits.
Even if your house doesn’t catch on fire, a little bit of everyone’s money can call the fire department if needed. You know, boy: socialism.”
Secondly: Yeah, we liberals feel pretty good about that.
How do you live with yourself?
CapnAmerica,
I read the whole article. Where is your proof that the military tortures prisoners?
Yeah Nathan you got me.
I am fiercely independent WHILE refusing to exploit others or be exploited by them.
Your dad married well. He also has his government pension.
You have never halted at being cruel. SO, I won’t either.
How is your birth mother doing Nathan?
“We are taking money from taxpayers and using it to help pay for medical bills associated with children.”
Which apparently is totally different than this:
We are taking money from taxpayers and using it to pay for their military defense.
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OKAY! I see the distinction now.
Because you like the latter and hate the former, the former is socialism and the latter is just fees for services.
It’s becoming clearer to me now.
MonkeyHawk,
SCHIP doesn’t benefit everyone nor all kids.
The problem with you liberals and your arguments is that they don’t use any logic or reason.
Oh . . . my . . . Gawd!
I read the whole article. Where is your proof that the military tortures prisoners?
I think it was the statement by the legal expert that “what we did meets the legal definition of torture.”
Yeah . . . I’m pretty sure that was it.
CapnAmerica,
True. But where does it say anything about the military doing it?
“CapnAmerica” notes –
“He was apparently kept awake for 22 straight days and nearly died, among other things . . .”
And he had no information to give. And most of his torture-induced “confessions” were gibberish.
That explains a lot of issues that crop up here on WE Blog. What’s with all the wingnut sock-puppets and changed nyms? How is it some CONs are active on-line only on the job? How does “Regular” do it 20 hours a day? The “Switchman’s Friend?”
The answer is pretty obvious. “Boxlock20″ is Qahtani… 20-days into sleep-deprivation, standing naked in a 50-degree room looking forward to the next water-boarding because at least they warm the water first….
He’s a victim of
torture“perfectly legal interrogation techniques”Either that, or he watches Fox News.
Same thing, really.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted January 15, 2009 at 12:29 am | Permalink
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
“Nathaniel” rarely fails to amuse –
““MonkeyHawk,
SCHIP doesn’t benefit everyone nor all kids.”
No sure, s#itlock?
Sha-zammmm!
You picked up on that, didn’t you?
Except, of course, for my point.
“The problem with you liberals and your arguments is that they don’t use any logic or reason.”
The problem with you, “Nathaniel,” is your convoluted Bizzaro World attention-deficient limited brain capacity for intelligent discourse. Which you consider “logic or reason.”
Reg. says >>>>
“I have no problem with seeing the government providing health care insurance assistance to families that need it.”
We’re not talking about FAMILY health care here…. This is health care for just the CHILDREN…. NO adults in the equation…
Even with a family of 4, $50,000 isnt all that much, when you add in house/rent; utilities; clothing; food; insurances on cars and property; and other ongoing expenses, when children are in a family…
I say again… this SCHIP is NOT for families… just for CHILDREN….
So, tell us all again… Why are you(and your CON friends) so damned opposed to children having adequate health care???
“Chas” –
I appreciate your point of view and respect your passion. But consider:
This whole S-CHIP thing is a distraction from the issue at hand.
You’re falling for the stalling tactic.
It shouldn’t be “about the children.”
It should be about the realization that everyone, young, old, sick, poor, rich, obese, genetically-challenged, addicted, twice-born and Mormon, foolish and sane, crippled and Olympian, Special and Senior Olympian, couch potato or marathoner… has the right to expect when they approach a public drinking fountain the water will be drinkable. You know, “SOCIALISM!!!
And, in the grand scheme of things, maybe health care is a bit more important that a sip of water in a
socialistpublic park on a hot summer day.I see your point Monkey…
From Truthdig
Nothing to Fear but No Health Care
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090113_nothing_to_fear_but_no_health_care/
Posted on Jan 13, 2009
By Amy Goodman
Fifty million Americans are without health insurance, and 25 million are “underinsured.” Millions being laid off will soon be added to those rolls. Medical bills cause more than half of personal bankruptcies in the U.S. Desperate for care, the under- and uninsured flock to emergency rooms, often dealing with problems that could have been prevented.
The U.S. auto giants are collapsing in part due to extraordinary health-care expenses, while they are competing with companies in countries that provide universal health care. Economist Dean Baker calculated how General Motors would fare if its health-care costs were the same as costs in Canada: “GM would have had higher profits, making no other changes … that would equal $22 billion over the course of the last decade. They wouldn’t have to be running to the government for help.” GM is sometimes referred to as a health-care company that makes cars. Former Chrysler Chairman Lee Iacocca said in 2005, “It is a well-known fact that the U.S. automobile industry spends more per car on health care than on steel.” He supports national health care.
Barack Obama said in a 2007 speech that “affordable, universal health care for every single American must not be a question of whether, it must be a question of how. … Every four years, health-care plans are offered up in campaigns with great fanfare and promise. But once those campaigns end, the plans collapse under the weight of Washington politics.”
Franklin Delano Roosevelt, in his March 1933 inaugural address, famously declared: “We have nothing to fear but fear itself. … This nation asks for action, and action now.” Deep in the Great Depression, a flurry of ambitious policies followed, detailed by New York Times editorial writer Adam Cohen in his new book, “Nothing to Fear.” He writes that FDR developed the New Deal with key, visionary advisers and Cabinet members who enacted bold policies, among them Frances Perkins, the United States’ first woman Cabinet member. Perkins, FDR’s secretary of labor, pushed for a rapid, national relief program that formed the basis of the welfare system, and for regulations on the minimum wage and maximum hours and a ban on child labor.
But she failed to achieve universal health care. Cohen told me: “She really was the conscience of the New Deal in many ways … she chaired the Social Security committee. And she wanted it to go further … to include national health insurance, but the AMA [American Medical Association], even back then, was very strong and opposed it. And she and a couple other progressives on the committee said, you know, ‘We better just settle for what we can get.’ They didn’t want to lose the whole Social Security program.”
Obama appointed former Sen. Tom Daschle as secretary of health and human services, and director of the new White House Office of Health Reform. Daschle’s health-care book, “Critical,” recalls historical failures to achieve universal care:
“Like Clinton, Truman had reason to be confident. His fellow Democrats controlled both houses of Congress, and polls showed that Americans were anxious about the high cost of health care and eager for change. But both presidents underestimated the strength of the forces arrayed against them … [s]pecial-interest lobbyists—led by doctors in Truman’s time, and insurance companies in Clinton’s.”
Obama knows the issue well—while his mother lay dying of cancer, she still had to battle the insurance industry. He said in that 2007 speech, “Plans that tinker and halfway measures now belong to yesterday. … [W]e can’t afford another disappointing charade. … [W]e need to look at … how much of our health-care spending is going toward the record-breaking profits earned by the drug and health-care industry.”
Yet Daschle proposes not much more than tinkering—improving Medicare, Medicaid and the Veterans Health Administration, all examples of “single-payer health care” in which the government is the single payer for the health care—while preserving the inefficient, multipayer, for-profit insurance model. In December 2007, the American College of Physicians compared U.S. health care with other countries’, writing, “Single-payer systems generally have the advantage of being more equitable, with lower administrative costs than systems using private health insurance, lower per capita health care expenditures, high levels of consumer and patient satisfaction.”
Michael Moore, in his film “SiCKO,” includes a recording of John Ehrlichman speaking to Richard Nixon, discussing medical-insurance profits: “… the less care they give ’em [patients], the more money they [the insurance companies] make.” Obama is in charge now. Whom will he emulate—Nixon or FDR? People across the political and economic spectrum, from big business to the little guy, are dying to know.
This program has always helped the illgal aliens and if you would do some small research you can find out how. Start with all the clinics that provide health care to the illegals and see who pays their doctor bills. Follow the money. Its a easy trail folks please for once stand up and get your facts rite before you say aman to the leaders of the NWO!!!
After the liberal goons get their socoalized health care the next agenda will be controlling how many children and what sex a family will be able to have. Do theese idiots really think the goverment can take better care of their kids than they can?
Yes, yes, I want the government telling me what doctor I can see, what specific day and time I can see the government-assigned doctor, what treatment the government-assigned doctor can provide for me, and what hospital I must go to if heaven forbid I ever need those services.
And if I ever have children, that’s what I want for my kids. I want little Johnny and Susie going to the goverment-assigned doctor, who might or might not be a pediatrician. I want little Johnny and Susie bounced around from doctor to doctor by the government, even though each doctor doesn’t know jack about them.
Yes, socialist utopians, that’s what I want from my health care. **END SARCASM**
Kudos to Rep. Jenkins for casting a tough, but correct, vote against this socialist welfare medicine program. She realizes the costs of this program far outweight the benefits.
Chas, Monkeyhawk, BlueJay, Mary_Caruso, LindainKS and all the liberal trolls are out in force. Enjoy it now, because when your Messiah and his socialist minions are feeling the heat, you will get yours.
Socialized health care? That would be great..it works really well in Europe, they have the lowest rate of infant mortality and the health of it’s citizens is significantly better than in the US.
Why is it that it’s Ok for your tax money to go to fire and police protection, education, and infastruture…but not to health care? Everyone should have the right to adequate and affordable health care..and if socialized medicine is the best way to do it..than I support it all the way. One thing I love about the whole concept is that it levels the playing field. Everyone has the same access..so you don’t have the “us” and “them” mentality and the superior attitude that goes along with it. The evidence of that attitude on this blog is suffocating.
Why are there no new topics on the blog today…is the blog god sick or something?
So tell me inferior…who should have access to health care and who should be shut out? What should qualify a person to receive the medical treatment they need and who should just be allowed to die when they get sick? How do we decide who deserves health care and who doesn’t?
It all depends upon whether you value your freedom to choose. If not, empower the government to be your mommy and do it for you. Of course when you do, you remove others’ ability to choose for themselves how they spend their hard earned dollars.
hardwrokinman: Is the of rest of the industialized world to be considered liberal goons? Of the “advanced” nations, only Mexico, Turkey and US do not have some kind of national insurance scheme for health care and I am at a loss to understand the vitiriol that comes out everytime this topic is raised. The governments of a countries with universal coverage (from personal experiences) don’t make any health care decisisons for the whole system is run by private enterprise/practice who only get their invoices paid by a single, a non-profit insurer. Personally, I don’t think that laying down a health care template over the existing tax grid would work, and probably become a huge money pit, for Congress is reluctant to re-write a tax code which has not kept pace with our evolving economy. Countries with health insurance have a tendencey to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative, funded by a tax code (some form of VAT) designed to supply services to people, whereas our code was written to encourge manufacturing and production, now morphed into a profit centre and cash cow for uber capitalists. The WTO monitors 130 countries for fiscal policies, business and sound banking practices (ie levergae, etc) lists the US 40th and the UK 44th, while Canada, Australia and Luxembourgh were rated 1-2-3 and they ain’t bailing out their banks! All 3 are what you call socialist countries to which they smile, knowing those who tag them with that moniker simply won’t or don’t understand a precept that allows for universal health insurance and stronger social networking.
ICTisInferior: Nonsense, utter nonsense, where do you get these ideas? Babies bounced around by government appointed doctors, being told what hospital to go to….what completly uninformed crap! Been there and never saw any of that.
His employer is paying for his healthcare.
No, I am paying for his healthcare. So are you and everyone else on this board.
I’m not complaining, just stating a fact.
Getting assigned every couple of years to a new base or overseas and a lot of inconveniences civilians don’t even realize.
Were you not aware that this was a possibility when you signed on the dotted line?
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CapnAmerica
Posted January 14, 2009 at 11:19 pm | Permalink
Regular “pays for his OWN MEDICAL insurance,” he says in outraged tones.
He neglected to add, all his money comes from taxpayers . . .
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Yes, that would be correct.
Of course, I’m a taxpayer myself. So I pay myself.
“It all depends upon whether you value your freedom to choose. If not, empower the government to be your mommy and do it for you. Of course when you do, you remove others’ ability to choose for themselves how they spend their hard earned dollars.”
Do you actually think you have the freedom to choose with our current system? My insurance company tells me what hospital to go to and which doctor I have to see. Wow..I even have to wait for weeks sometimes to even see a doctor.
Do you actually think you have the freedom to choose with our current system?
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Sure. Our family goes to the Dr(s) we want to see, when we want, without any undue delay. If we didn’t I would be looking for another Dr(s).
Sounds like you have a pretty restrictive plan.
Mary_Caruso: In the system I experienced, YOU select your GP, if you need a specialists the GP takes care of that as well but you must enter the system via a GP. If you have no family doctor there are store front walk-in clinics, and there is no approval for the decision of a medico to be qualified by anybody, nor is there a cap on the testing and procedures recommended. I once had lighting flashes occuring in the corner of my eye and my wife, worried about retinal detachment, took me to a walk-in clinic, where after looking at me, sent me to the closest hospital for better assesment. Within 2 hours I was at an “on call” eye surgeons’ office who declared there was nothing to worry about. This was on Easter Sunday. If you need help you get it….and quick, but don’t expect a tummy tuck on demand