“I know from personal involvement that the devastating invasion of Gaza by Israel could easily have been avoided,” former President Jimmy Carter wrote in a Washington Post commentary. Carter, who considers the rocket attacks by Hamas to be acts of terrorism, said he was involved in fostering the cease-fire agreement that began last June. One key part of the agreement was Israel allowing into Gaza more supplies of food, water, medicine and fuel – which didn’t happen at the levels promised. Carter said that acute malnutrition in Gaza is “on the same scale as in the poorest nations in the southern Sahara, with more than half of all Palestinian families eating only one meal a day.”
Carter hopes that “when further hostilities are no longer productive, Israel, Hamas and the United States will accept another cease-fire, at which time the rockets will again stop and an adequate level of humanitarian supplies will be permitted to the surviving Palestinians, with the publicized agreement monitored by the international community.”
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Could Gaza crisis have been easily avoided?
You place your faith in Jimmie Carter? Like he found a solution that worked? Loved his gas hikes.
And please ask old Jimmie: How will you avoid a war when one side (Hamas) has sworn to the destruction of Israel and jews?
You might delay. But you won’t avoid it.
“when further hostilities are no longer productive, Israel, Hamas and the United States will accept another cease-fire…”
You got one too many actors in there Jimmie. This isn’t our fight.
Who can understand the “mind” of Jimmy Carter .. the biggest fool this country has ever known . . . Jimmy thinks that HAMAS is a UN-MEMBER NATION/STATE .. oh, I forget .. the UN does . . . DDDUUUUUGGHH !! !!
Sol – this may not be our fight but when the US has backed Israel militarily, as we have for many years, how are we any different than what Israel does with those weapons? Has the Bush Administration ever said anything against Israel?
Amway – as for Carter’s gas hikes – what about Bush’s gas price hikes in the last few years? $4.00/gal for gas is not a gas hike?
If we would have listened to Carter in the late 70’s and developed alternative fuels, we would not be dependent on Middle East oil today.
Terrorists disclose: We LOVE liberals!
Jihadists respond to Rosie, Clinton, Penn, Pelosi, Fonda, Boxer, Murtha
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57716
“If we would have listened to Carter in the late 70’s and developed alternative fuels, we would not be dependent on Middle East oil today”
. . . Oh brother .. now see here luceeeee .. lets just watch your Obama-bin-Biden Admin get us away from foreign oil . . . I’m not holding my breath
Amway – as for Carter’s gas hikes – what about Bush’s gas price hikes
lucee: Under President Carter the US government had established price controls. The government SET the price (and for some of us during Nixon ODD/EVEN days).
President Bush and the US Government did not SET the price of oil.
Although some liberal folklore says so. It’s not in the congressional record.
Of course it could have been easily avoided.
Don’t launch missles into another country and you can avoid them attacking you.
Simple.
“You place your faith in Jimmie Carter? Like he found a solution that worked?”
“Carter Announces Israel and Egypt Define Main Elements of Treaty
(March 14, 1979)
On his way back to Washington from Jerusalem, President Carter stopped for a brief airport meeting with President Sadat at Cairo airport. He was able to win Sadat’s agreement to a series of compromises offered by Israel, among them – early Israeli withdrawal to the Interim (9 months) line, exchange of ambassadors a month after the conclusion of the withdrawal, no Egyptian presence in the Gaza Strip, no target date for the autonomy regime’s establishment, U.S. guarantees to supply Israel with oil in case of emergency, no linkage and no mention of Israeli settlements in the treaty and its annexes. After another phone call to Mr. Begin, Mr. Carter announced that all the major elements (but two) have been resolved, and the main components of the peace treaty have now been defined. “
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/carter_remarks_return.html
Yep. Proof that Carter was a total failure at arranging peace agreements between mortal enemies.
There we go, again, with those facts and their pesky liberal bias.
:::huge effin’ eyeroll:::
Israel’s invasion of Gaza is all about local politics.
There’s an election coming up in February in Israel and the hard-liners are sucking up to the fundamentalist right wingnuts (yeah, they have ‘em in Israel, too).
As I’ve written before in this forum, this is a classic example of the proverbial curse “Pick your enemies carefully, for they are whom you’ll come closest to resemble.”
The most militant Israelis have created a ghetto of Warsaw proportions in Gaza.
Shrub encouraged “democracy” in Gaza and when the Palestinians had the audacity to elect Hamas — in free and open elections — the Knesset (backed by Shrub) promptly refused to let them participate in Israeli democracy.
This is a tactical crisis. The tactics distract from the strategy. The strategy is about Israelis treating Palestinians exactly the way Hitler treated the Jews.
And it’s sad.
“Of course it could have been easily avoided.
Don’t launch missles into another country and you can avoid them attacking you. Simple”
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C-mon Nathaniel .. there’s gotta be a way to blame Bush for this . . . you know these liberals .. HAMAS is their friend .. they’re just in a bad mood .. we just refuse to “understand” them .. it’s all our fault . . . LOL
God only knows the Arabs need more land .. for “peaceful” purposes of-course ;)
I haven’t heard it lately, but (as with all CON-nards) it’ll be back.
One of the Gun-Nut arguments is how “…if the Jews had guns in Hitler’s Germany they could’ve fought back!”
Well, the fundamentalist Zionists have become the new Hitler and Gaza is the 21st Century Warsaw Ghetto.
And damned if Hamas hasn’t decided to shoot back, NRA style.
How’s that working out for them?
Former terrorist Menachem Begin and former revolutionary Anwar Sadat left their respective pasts as extremists but were taken down by religious fundamentalists. “Blessed are the peacemakers,” indeed.
“Carter Announces Israel and Egypt Define Main Elements of Treaty (March 14, 1979)
That agreement’s held for nearly 30 years and counting, even surviving the assassination of Anwar Sadat.
Yeah, the man obviously has no idea what he’s talking about. /sarcasm off
So .. Does Monkeyhawk recognize the existance of the state of Israel ??
So .. Does Monkeyhawk recognize the existance of the state of Israel ???
Rage,
I am sure that the military strength of Israel has nothing to do with why anyone would respect a treaty with them….
If Israel didn’t have the military it has a week from now, do you honestly think that Egypt or other Middle Eastern countries would wait for a minute to wipe them out as they have tried times before?
By the way, for anyone who believed that stopping Hamas rocket attacks was even Israel’s goal (let alone will be the result), I have some AIG stock I’d like to sell you.
f Israel didn’t have the military it has a week from now, do you honestly think that Egypt or other Middle Eastern countries would wait for a minute to wipe them out as they have tried times before?
Has someone suggested disarming Israel?
Rage,
So please tell us what the goal is then?
Why exactly would Israel be wasting all those bombs purposefully targetting rocket launch sites, storage locations, and smuggling tunnels?
I would love to hear your conspiracy theory on this.
and WHY is anyone talking about a “treaty” with a terrorist organization (even defignied by the UN) ??
So .. Does Monkeyhawk recognize the existance of the state of Israel ????
Rage,
Nope, just the implication that lasting peace of 30 years between Israel and Egypt is based upon something Carter did and not the fact that Israel has a strong military.
“dadman”
Posted January 8, 2009 at 1:49 pm | Permalink
So .. Does Monkeyhawk recognize the existance of the state of Israel ??
And, under the impression I have nothing else to do in life, four minutes later –
“dadman”
Posted January 8, 2009 at 1:53 pm | Permalink
So .. Does Monkeyhawk recognize the existance of the state of Israel ???”
“dadman” had the time to add another question mark but, alas, not enough time to spell-check the word “existence.”
To answer your question:
Yes.
Israel exists.
Israel exists . . we KNOW Israel exists .. you dummy .. I’m asking YOU .. do YOU believe that the Jews have the right to live in the land that was alloted to them in 1948 ???
“Does Monkeyhawk recognize the existance of the state of Israel ”
BlueJay doesn’t. Well, not unless they have the original deed to the land with God’s signature.
Israel, where it is is a net detriment to the peace of the region and the world. It would be better if they moved out of the region. Failing that, they are going to have to treat their neighbors with the respect they would like to be treated with.
“It would be better if they moved out of the region” .. thank you BlueJay for that BRILLIANT answer
I would love to hear your conspiracy theory on this.
No conspiracy, just a election. In recent years, no government has been able to maintain a stable coalition without the support of the hard-right religious parties. This is a way of dividing their support.
And no doubt, strategically, it’s considered a way to politically weaken Hamas, which sounds better than it is: that would simply produce a headless beast of various factions, acting independently with random tactics, as oppposed to an elected government which has some nominal responsibility to its voters. In fact, many of the rockets were exactly that–one attack was carried about by Islamic Jihad (who noted precisely the violation Carter mentioned, but then said–ha!–that they’d abide by the cease-fire from that point on).
The fact that it will inevitably lead to increases in the random violence in Israel that civilized people decry doesn’t seem to matter. It makes many Israels feel like at lease the government is doing something and, for Israelis who ignore (or are ignorant of) the root causes, that’s quite enough–for now.
thank you BlueJay for that BRILLIANT answer
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Well played!
HEHEHEHE
“they are going to have to treat their neighbors with the respect they would like to be treated with” . . . it’s too bad that BJ can’t afford that same sentiment to HAMAS and HISBULLAH . . . 8000 rockets during 2008 ? .. MAN !!
8000 rockets and three killed, more people then that drown in their bathtub every year in Chicago!
and now for God’s perspective . . . .
This is the word of the LORD concerning Israel .. The LORD .. who stretches out the heavens .. who lays the foundation of the earth .. and who forms the spirit of man within him .. declares: “I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling . . . Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem .. On that day .. when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her .. I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations .. All who try to move it will injure themselves .. On that day I will strike every horse with panic and its rider with madness .. ” declares the LORD .. “I will keep a watchful eye over the house of Judah .. but I will blind all the horses of the nations . . . Then the leaders of Judah will say in their hearts .. ‘The people of Jerusalem are strong .. because the LORD Almighty is their God’ . . . . . Zechariah 12
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Monkeyhawk
Posted January 8, 2009 at 1:43 pm | Permalink
I haven’t heard it lately, but (as with all CON-nards) it’ll be back.
One of the Gun-Nut arguments is how “…if the Jews had guns in Hitler’s Germany they could’ve fought back!”
Well, the fundamentalist Zionists have become the new Hitler and Gaza is the 21st Century Warsaw Ghetto.
And damned if Hamas hasn’t decided to shoot back, NRA style.
How’s that working out for them?
Former terrorist Menachem Begin and former revolutionary Anwar Sadat left their respective pasts as extremists but were taken down by religious fundamentalists. “Blessed are the peacemakers,” indeed.
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Speaking of insanity. Or is it inanity?
Reads Monkey’s post. Rolls eyes. Thinks, “that wacked out old DJ is certifiable”.
Hamas = NRA???
Israel = Hitler???
Palestinians = Jews???
Oh well.
Hey BJ, I’m sure that the UN will be contacting soon you about how they can resolve to your satisfaction, the difference between your respective positions regarding on recognizing the state of Israel.
I don’t believe that it was right, or that the alloters had the moral right to be alloting other people’s lands.
Nope, just the implication that lasting peace of 30 years between Israel and Egypt is based upon something Carter did and not the fact that Israel has a strong military.
By that same logic, the Dayton agreement would have persisted, all the more so because of the military asymmetry of Israel and Palestine. For that matter, your “might makes right” logic would declare all peace agreements pointless: the old, stupid “peace through superior firepower” canard.
No, there was something more: mutual interests.
How familiar are you with life as a neighbor of Israel there dadman?
But I guess people who are badly treated and oppressed should just shut up about it. I mean Israel is the chosen people! They should be free to be just as nasty a neighbor as they like right?
oh well .. HAMAS claims that they love death more than we love life .. it looks like they’ll be happy
“and now for God’s perspective”
Do you have anything more recent? Communication is SO much easier now than it was 2000+ years ago.
How about “God” updates the message?
Sheesh some of you people are little better than the Taliban. Different side of the same coin.
I think arguing about the existence of a state 60 years after the fact detracts from the current issues. For instance, the ongoing settlement policy, which forces people off their land right now, not when Harry Truman was president.
“dadman” bursts his spleen –
“Israel exists . . we KNOW Israel exists .. you dummy .. I’m asking YOU .. do YOU believe that the Jews have the right to live in the land that was alloted to them in 1948 ???
That wasn’t the question you asked, ahem, “dummy.”
You asked — like a poodle in heat — three times, in the course of about six minutes:
“So .. Does Monkeyhawk recognize the existance of the state of Israel ????
And you had no time to spell-check. Look up “existence.” And “allotted,” while you’re at it.
But on to your latest question:
“do YOU believe that the Jews have the right to live in the land that was alloted [sic] to them in 1948 ???”
As I’ve written on this subject many times before, the Israelis were perfectly willing — in 1948 — to accept a two-nation agreement with separate Jewish and Palestinian states and Jerusalem as an “International City,” a la Berlin and Vienna at the time.
I’m not sure the whole “international city” concept played out all that well in Berlin and Vienna, but it was the style of the times and I’m not convinced it wouldn’t be a bad idea now.
The Palestinians, at the time, rejected the Israeli’s proposal, got beat and things have festered ever since. They’ve festered so much that the very agreement of a two-state solution for Israel and Palestine has been lost, the roles of the participants have reversed, and with the benefit of U.S. backing, fundamentalist Zionists refuse two states, equal access to Jerusalem (which is “holy” to Muslims as well as Jews and Christians), and basic civil rights to Muslims living in Israel’s borders.
But wait! There’s more!
You asked:
“do YOU believe that the Jews have the right to live in the land that was alloted to them in 1948 ???”
And I have to answer, YES!
But not the Israeli land taken in the 1956 war, or the Yom Kippur War, or the 6 Day War. Or the land encroached upon by Israeli-funded West Bank settlements.
Nope.
The 1948 borders work for me fine. Maybe even with an international city thrown into the mix.
Next question, “dadman?”
On that day .. when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her .. I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations .. All who try to move it will injure themselves .. prove me wrong ??
A United States presence during negotiations is crucial to the peace process. We are supporting Israel via food, weapons and the treaty we signed with them. We are bound by it, as we should be. Letting this go on will only excerbate the situation. I hope we have more productive people starting 1/22/07.
Starvation leads people to desperation. That is what our military blockade of gaza has led to.
European states had offered prece-keepers and assistence in nation-building that would have undercut hamas. We blocked that and, instead, undercut our so-called peace partner Abbas.
“As I’ve written on this subject many times before”
yur funny .. God has written about this subject a lot longer than you have .. you a big man though =:0]
God says: “I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling” . . . . looks like a whole lott Reelin goin on .. yep !!
The UN gave Israel the coordinates of the school they were using as a refuge for civilians. Israel used those coordinates to deliberately target the school and kill 40 civilians.
Elsewhere, Israel blocked rescue workers from reaching starving children for 4 days as they stayed beside their dead mothers. They were finally rescued, too weak to stand.
Add to that Israel killing a Red Cross driver with tank fire.
The UN gave Israel the coordinates of the school they were using as a refuge for civilians. Israel used those coordinates to deliberately target the school and kill 40 civilians.
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Right. And that makes sense because….
I’m not particularly worried about religious zealots on the other side of the planet.
It seems we have more than our fair share right here.
Faith as a basis for foreign policy. Good grief.
Right. And that makes sense because….
because there were two Hammas hiding out in the school.
dadman sounds like a zealot whacko.
Gawd outie, you dont understand the reason the UN gave israel the coordinates was so that the civilians sheltered there wouldnt be attacked?
WTF? Are all you cons so blind that you are now reading AND comprehension impaired?
Ben, wasnt the truck driver shot during on of the supposed three hour a day humanitarian cease fires?
Oh those israeli’s. Their word is good. Until it isnt.
“Faith as a basis for foreign policy. Good grief.”
Well, hell, JR, the wingnuts are making constitutional amendments using faith as the basis. Why should we be surprised they also make foreign policy on that same basis?
“During the 2006 war with Hezbollah, Israelis used text messages to warn residents of incoming rockets. Last week, as the airstrikes against Hamas began, “thousands of Gazans received Arabic-language cell-phone messages from the Israeli military, urging them to leave homes where militants might have stashed weapons,” according to the AP.”
Bad Israelis warning the enemy first what is going to happen. I think I would take my children and move to a safer place.
But of course this is Israel’s fault!
If we took all those who declare their need to be armed in order to protect themselves and put them in a walled off city where they and their families weren’t safe, were hungry — would they be ‘protecting’ their families by shooting at those responsible for the wall, for the lack of food and safety?
Israel just trying to get them to congregate in a shelter, to save bombs.
Well, hell, JR, the wingnuts are making constitutional amendments using faith as the basis. Why should we be surprised they also make foreign policy on that same basis.
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Ferment what ‘constitutional amendment’ would that be. Not that I doubt you but I just don’t remember that one.
Heard one weapons expert state Israel is clearly using white phosporus bombs in Gaza.
“dadman” comes up with –
“yur funny .. God has written about this subject a lot longer than you have .. you a big man though =:0]”
Yeah. But unlike God, I write reality.
I doubt “god” wrote anything.
Humans with a god complex, (read: dadman) did the writing.
“I think I would take my children and move to a safer place.”
Well said. And since most of Israel is foreign born or the children of foreign nationals, they do have places they could go.
“Right. And that makes sense because….”
I never said it made sense. Only that it happened. People often do things that don’t make sense.
“I think I would take my children and move to a safer place.”
That UN school was supposed to be a safer place. Israel shelled it too.
Of course, okie meant that the Palestinian people should take their children and move to a safer place.
She doesn’t say where. It could be the sea for all she cares. The Palestinian people have no value because there isn’t a book that says they are the chosen people.
Heard one weapons expert state Israel is clearly using white phosporus bombs in Gaza.
We won’t know for sure unless they obey the order of their own Supreme Court and let journalists enter Gaza.
Of course, we could expect, that at the intersection of god and politics, we would find Molly Ivins.
“Historically, the Bible has been used to justify some stupefying crimes, including slavery and genocide. I see no indication that we are any better at divining the Lord’s intent now than we ever were.”
Heheheh. And…
“Drag God into politics, and you’ll ruin His reputation in no time.”
The Bible also says that Israel should get smitten down when it pretends to empire …
Golly I miss Molly Ivins.
White phosporus aka willie pete to us old artillery projo humpers. Nasty stuff. Burns in oxygen, so if you get some on you, the only way to keep it from burning is to put the wound under water while the docs clean it out.
Effective anti-personnel weapon, though.
Dennis
WP has been around for a long time. It should be outlawed, but it won’t be, it is too effective a weapon in the mad calculus of war.
Dennis
“Golly I miss Molly Ivins.”
Me too, Monkeyhawk. Me too.
“Get the damn mamogram”!
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bth
Posted January 8, 2009 at 2:36 pm | Permalink
The UN gave Israel the coordinates of the school they were using as a refuge for civilians. Israel used those coordinates to deliberately target the school and kill 40 civilians.
Elsewhere, Israel blocked rescue workers from reaching starving children for 4 days as they stayed beside their dead mothers. They were finally rescued, too weak to stand.
Add to that Israel killing a Red Cross driver with tank fire.
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What a bunch of B.S. Ben. You don’t have a clue do you?
Israel has contacts (spies) in Gaza and they also have spy satellites built in India where they can see exactly what is going on.
When Hamas used the school as a launching pad for mortars, the school lost its sanctuary status.
Slipping on your Hamas t-shirt eh Ben? You do know that the U.S., most of the European Union and other countries have Hamas listed as a terrorist organization?
Do you support terrorism Ben or just willful ignorance of the facts?
Jimmy Carter – this is your brain when you’re completely senile.
PRAYER FOR PEACE
“God of mercy and compassion, Of grace and reconciliation, Pour your power upon all your children in the Middle East.
Let hatred be turned into love, fear to trust,
Despair to hope, oppression to freedom,
Occupation to liberation, That violent encounters may be replaced by loving embraces, And peace and justice could be experienced by all. Amen.”
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From Imagine Peace, a devotional resource from the WCC Decade to Overcome Violence, 2008.
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Yours in Christian love and service,
The Rev. Dr Samuel Kobia, General secretary of the World Council of Churches
When Hamas used the school as a launching pad for mortars, the school lost its sanctuary status.
Except Hamas did not use the school. The Israeli spokesperson said the missiles were fired “in the vicinity” of the school.
Idiot.
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Rage
Posted January 8, 2009 at 5:18 pm | Permalink
When Hamas used the school as a launching pad for mortars, the school lost its sanctuary status.
Except Hamas did not use the school. The Israeli spokesperson said the missiles were fired “in the vicinity” of the school.
Idiot.
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The video done by Israeli recon was shown on TV and it show at least 3 mortar firings from the school, then the terrorists picked up the launcher and ran back in side.
It was shown on BBC, CNN and Fox. The launch site was show to be on a sidewalk in front of the school. I’m estimating about 2 feet from it, where the Hamas terrorist could ran back and forth inside the school with their launcher.
idiot
Here, see for your self Rage.
http://www.videosift.com/video/Hamas-firing-mortars-froma-school-drone-video
Video: Confession by Hamas they used children and video to hide behind.
http://www.videosift.com/video/Hamas-Human-Shield-Confession
“Except Hamas did not use the school. The Israeli spokesperson said the missiles were fired “in the vicinity” of the school.”
Libs = defending cowards hiding in the “vicinity” of skools.
If the American military did the same thing, you would be all over them.
Here, see for your self Rage.
Your link is video from 2007 of something purporting to be a school.
But I should really cut you more slack. My bad.
Regular
Posted January 8, 2009 at 5:28 pm | Permalink
Video: Confession by Hamas they used children and video to hide behind.
should read
Regular
Posted January 8, 2009 at 5:28 pm | Permalink
Video: Confession by Hamas they used children and elderly to hide behind as human shields.
In their words, they invite death.
If America had done it, they would have apologized for the bad aim, and firing so close to a protected facility. There would be an investigation.
Except maybe under W. But even he allowed press to cover the invasion of Iraq.
“Confession by Hamas they used children and elderly to hide behind as human shields.
In their words, they invite death.”
And Israel uses them for target practice.
The atrocities happen on both sides. There are no “good guys vs bad guys” in this mess, they’ll all bad and it’s the innocents who get caught in between and die.
““During the 2006 war with Hezbollah, Israelis used text messages to warn residents of incoming rockets. Last week, as the airstrikes against Hamas began, “thousands of Gazans received Arabic-language cell-phone messages from the Israeli military, urging them to leave homes where militants might have stashed weapons,” according to the AP.”
And on the surface, at first glance, this SEEMS like a fantastic act of humanity and kindness.
Chew on it a little and see how it tastes.
How would you like to live in a place where they have you so targeted that they call you on the phone or send you a text that you better flee as bombs are about to rain down specifically targeted on YOUR house? Such terror tyranny is unprecedented.
Maybe they can even refine it even. Go REALLY big brother with it.
“This is a house in the Gaza strip.(cue live video of house) It has been determined to be a military target. In five minutes, this house will be destroyed.”
Live feed of house continues with countdown clock in corner of screen.
Nathaniel
Posted January 8, 2009 at 1:27 pm | \l “comment-499733″
Of course it could have been easily avoided.
Don’t launch missiles into another country and you can avoid them attacking you.
Simple.
Exactly, though the rockets are more a way to get in Israel’s face then actually do damage.
It is 100 % Hammas’s fault they were not about to destroy Israel with small, low yield rockets. That was not their intent to begin with it was to get Israel to react. Look at the effect, the news is covering a few pot marks in the streets of Israel and showing entire building blown away in the Gaza. The rockets have killed 8 Israelis. While the number of Palestine’s killed in Israel’s response numbers in the hundreds.
It like I said a couple of days ago, if you kill a thousand children while killing the bad guy. If you kill a thousand children to kill one bad guy, the question becomes who is really the bad guy? Hammas has gotten what they are after, Israel is seen as a killer of children and women.
But to be sure it is Hammas’s fault and we can not forget as Nathaniel said It was Hammas whom started this and with the intent of causing hundreds of innocent lives to be lost. And it was their own people whom they had intended to be killed!
I am far from an apologist for Israel in fact more often then not I agreed with Ed except for some of his wildest statements. It not a matter of them being Jewish, their religion has nothing what so ever to do with,. They act as Israelis not Jews.
Gosh, I miss Molly Ivins too. The original hate spewing, angry, feminazi. The face that launched a thousand (stupid) quips. Hope we don’t see her likes again.
I really miss her, too. She was smart, informed, and on target.
The problem with cons is that they can’t understand that when you try to starve people to death, they don’t just lay down and die quietly like they expect them to. They didn’t understand it with their slaves and later their workers, and they don’t understand it with the Palestinians. They just don’t learn from experience!
Chris,
“Gosh, I miss Molly Ivins too. The original hate spewing, angry, feminazi. The face that launched a thousand (stupid) quips. Hope we don’t see her likes again.”
Who’s spewing hate? You need a good long look in the mirror!
But, But, Jed… the mirror wont hold still for him!! LOL
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Yep. Proof that Carter was a total failure at arranging peace agreements between mortal enemies.
There we go, again, with those facts and their pesky liberal bias.
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This is the best you got? Your liberal savior sounds (posts) an awful lot like farmie.
But he is a fcking idiot: The carter peace (get that? the word peace) didn’t do sheet. The two parties were killing each other continually.
So, if Carter was successful: WTF is going on NOW in the middle east? More Carter peace?
Too stupid.
Carter was am utter failure. High interest rates, rampant inflation, gas lines and controls, and limp in IRAN. Proof socialism doesn’t work.
8 January 2009 – A United Nations agency that is a lifeline for 750,000 Palestinian refugees in Gaza suspended food delivery operations today after Israeli strikes killed one of its drivers and injured a second after they had received Israeli clearance on the 13th day of an offensive launched with the stated aim of ending Hamas militant rocket attacks into Israel.
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=29489&Cr=gaza&Cr1=unrwa
I found an interesting Link . . . . [ http://www.live-tv-bar.com/index.php?mid=13 ] if you see the menu on the Left hand side of this site .. and scroll down till you see “News” .. at the very bottom of that section .. you’ll see a link called “Ramattan – Israel” ( Palestinian News Agency ) . . . . that link will take you to — 24/7 no-interrupted – audio and visual – of the Gaza sky-line .. where the battle is taking place
Thanks for that Monkeyhawk.
My sentiments as to Israel are taking a decidedly negative turn.
Let us pray for the safety of Palestinian civilians who held hostages by Hamas and the safety of Israeli soldiers. May this campaign end swiftly and may Hamas be annihilated. May moderate Muslims emerge victorious in the struggle for Gaza!
http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2009/01/israel-invades-gaza-in-attempt-to.html