It’s okay, he only tortures Kansans, and we gave him permission.

So don’t attack me because I defended myself you ahole.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61941-2004May27.html

An independent Justice department should be able to bring charges irrespective of the politics of it. However, to get big fishes you need to get little fishes first (think Libby), so yeah, I expect we’ll see some Christmas Eve pardons, just like Daddy Bush did to cover up Iran-Contra details.

Are you aware that it has come out that the same measure that inflicted everlastingly injuries on John McCain while a POW in Vietnam has also been used on prisoner in U.S. custody? The binding of the arms behind the back then lifted from the ground by the wrists. Oh I guess we can make the distinction that they were not lifted several feet into the air. But just enough to cause pain in the shoulders and wrists and make them stand on their tippy toes. But since it was not done until the shoulders were dislocated from their sockets than that is not torture. It was just intended to gather information, yes there is a difference!

It is amusing to me that conservatives, who are personal responsibilty party members, are so invested in not holding this administration responsible. Makes me think of the “H” word.

The U.S. also did B. in Afghanistan.
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Source where they beat prisoners unconscious?

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Although not in the way they deserved to pay, I believe they began a payment of sort in the 2006 mid-term elections. They continued payment when the 2008 elections were held. Leaders of the Republican Party espoused ideas and philosophies the majority of Americans won’t accept or tolerate. If they continue supporting torture and lowering American standards to those acceptable by other countries less civilized, they will continue paying well into the future.

So, I won’t argue with their supporters. Let them support all kinds of warmongering. I like the results of elections when people tell them with their votes those ideas and political philosophies aren’t acceptable and won’t be tolerated.

Perhaps yes I am a bleeding heart…
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Which is worse?

A. Having prisoners standing naked

B. Beating a prisoner unconscious and doing it every other day

or

A. Having a guard dog yap at you
B. Having rats gnaw at you while sleeping

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The U.S. did A and people were punished.

Other countries do B and no one was ever held responsible.

Yeah…

There it is…

Arguing over terms and intent of what happened is like the Pedophile arguing that he is not guilty of molesting a child he just had sex with a seven years old. Hank uses the excuse of timeliness, which would apply to a known case of a planted bomb or attack. But how many of those tortured were in that category? How can you prevent or intercede in something unless you know about it ahead of time? Of course there is the problem, if you do not know about it ahead of time. Then how do you know to ask about it in the first place? And if you do not know about it in the first place. Then where is your justification for torturing to stop it in a timely matter? Now I guess we can look at this in the same way McCain answered the question of should those in the administration face criminal prosecution for the violations of U.S. and international law? His answer was “ I try not to look back, it would be better to try and stop it from happening again in the future!”. In this there have been a lot of things you could look back on or ignore them, as it does not change anything to look back. WE can ignore the crimes that have been done in our name, but then would that not also be a crime against our name?

The United States prosecuted it as a war crime in Norway in 1948. The victims were not in uniform – they were part of the Norwegian insurgency against the German occupation – and the Nazis argued, just as Cheney has done, that this put them outside base-line protections (subsequently formalised by the Geneva conventions).

The Nazis even argued that “the acts of torture in no case resulted in death. Most of the injuries inflicted were slight and did not result in permanent disablement”. This argument is almost verbatim that made by John Yoo, the Bush administration’s house lawyer, who now sits comfortably at the Washington think tank, the American Enterprise Institute.

FROM: http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/bush’s-torturers-follow-where-the-nazis-led/?referer=sphere_related_content/

“When the president does it, it is not illegal.”

“Mission Accomplished,” … “We will be greeted in Iraq as liberators,” … “the fundementals of the economy are strong,”… “we do not torture.”

Some posters here insist on carrying on this proud Republican tradition.

I’m always skeptical of power, but I can definitely get used to this:

Below is a statement from President-elect Barack Obama on Human Rights Day, the anniversary of the signing of the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights on Dec. 10, 1948.

“The United States was founded on the idea that all people are endowed with inalienable rights, and that principle has allowed us to work to perfect our union at home while standing as a beacon of hope to the world. Today, that principle is embodied in agreements Americans helped forge — the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the Geneva Conventions, and treaties against torture and genocide — and it unites us with people from every country and culture.

“When the United States stands up for human rights, by example at home and by effort abroad, we align ourselves with men and women around the world who struggle for the right to speak their minds, to choose their leaders, and to be treated with dignity and respect. We also strengthen our security and well being, because the abuse of human rights can feed many of the global dangers that we confront — from armed conflict and humanitarian crises, to corruption and the spread of ideologies that promote hatred and violence.

“So on this Human Rights Day, let us rededicate ourselves to the advancement of human rights and freedoms for all, and pledge always to live by the ideals we promote to the world.”

http://change.gov/newsroom/entry/statement_of_president_elect_obama_on_human_rights_day/

Or maybe “incompetent” as compared to.. say… the handling of the economy by putting anti-regulation business people in charge of regulating their own industry?

LOL, “Liberals… incompetent” as compared to.. say ..the war in Iraq and the ‘reconstruction’ program… run by which side of the aisles was it now??

Or maybe “incompetent” as compared to.. say… the last Republican presidential candidate pick?

Shall we go on?

Hypocrites, maybe?