What will be most remembered about Bush’s presidency is his leadership in the post-9/11 period. In a recent interview, former Secretary of State George Shultz pointed to President Bush’s pre-emptive doctrine as his most important national-security achievement. It was based on a very important idea, Shultz said, namely that in the shadowy threat of global terrorism, we have to be able to uncover plots before they occur.
On the economic front, Bush has been dealt a bad hand. He came into office in 2001 with the economy in the midst of a restructuring slowdown when the technology bubble burst, followed by 9/11. We weathered that storm, and the economy grew again. But all expansions run into corrections, and the housing and credit bubbles burst, ending Bush’s presidency in a recession.
When Bush leaves office next month, it will be said that he governed us through some of the most difficult and turbulent periods in our history. And in the end, it will also be said that “he kept us safe” in the Age of Terror.
- Donald Lambro, Townhall.com
This is a presidency that has wobbled between overweening arrogance and paralytic incompetence. The latter has held sway these past few months as the economy has crumbled. We have more than enough evidence to say, definitively, that at a moment when there was a vast national need for reassurance, the president himself was a cipher.
In the end, though, it will not be the creative paralysis that defines Bush. It will be his intellectual laziness, at home and abroad. Bush never understood, or cared about, the delicate balance between freedom and regulation that was necessary to make markets work. He never understood, or cared about, the delicate balance between freedom and equity that was necessary to maintain the strong middle class required for both prosperity and democracy.
He never considered the complexities of the cultures he was invading. He never understood that faith, unaccompanied by rigorous skepticism, is a recipe for myopia and foolishness.
- Joe Klein, Time
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“…it will be said that he governed us through some of the most difficult and turbulent periods in our history.”
I agree, but history will also say Bush caused the some of the most difficult and turbulent period in our history.
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ClownHall as a source??? Real great choice there Phillip.
“we have to be able to uncover plots before they occur”
Do people even know what they say?
It would be really hard to uncover a plot before even the plotting has occurred. Perhaps we should identify those with a propesity to plot, then kill them before they can plot?
Yes it would be interesting to be able to see how history will handle and report this administration. I guess it will be like whose history you are reading, for the Lakota it was a major victory against an imposing enemy. For Custer and his men it was a terrible defeat kind of history of the little big horn.
Either history will totally ignore the part played by the ideologs or it gets an honorable mention at least. Or it will paint Bush as to having made human mistakes in an extra ordinary time. And fails to give the credit due and fails to report the extent that one of this country’s worst nightmares came true. I say one as so far we have not turned into a total dictatorship came close but so far we can still pretend it has not came as close as it did.
Bush ignored and suspended many of the laws and foundations of this country in the name of protecting it from a small group. The warrant-less wire-tapping is un-American, the suspension of Habeas corpus within the United States is un-American and the list could go on. These actions would be warranted if this country had been overran and the numbers of enemy within the boarder was large. But to do this without a justifiable cause is a good step toward a dictatorship. You do not start a backfire unless there is a forest fire in front of it! Did we have a forest fire? Do you really believe that there were so many terrorists in this country that every citizen is a suspected terrorist? No need to answer and if you did believe that you could not answer. That is unless you have Internet access under your bed.
Lets look at the points being made:
“Secretary of State George Shultz pointed to President Bush’s pre-emptive doctrine as his most important national-security achievement. It was based on a very important idea, Shultz said, namely that in the shadowy threat of global terrorism, we have to be able to uncover plots before they occur“.
Ah no that is not what the Bush doctrine said, it states that we have a right to attack without a verifiable cause. And attack anyone without them having acted against us.
Pre-emptive action has never been an acceptable act within any country whom has the rule of law (GMC if some time a case against me for murder comes across your desk. And I have told the Police it was because I believed the person was going to kill me in six months or more. You won‘t file charges would you?). I can no more shoot and kill Regular based only on my thought he might be a danger to me in the future. There is always the problem of “he might” not he has or he is on his way to. And the old problem for his neighbors too, I do not come to his house to take my pre-emptive action. I blow up his entire neighborhood! But oh well maybe they were plotting against me too? The voices in my head have not told me yet (yeah it takes that much a case of Paranoia to justify the true statement of the Bush Doctrine).
“we have to be able to uncover plots before they occur“.
A fancy way of restating the ole “kill them all and let God sort them out.
“On the economic front, Bush has been dealt a bad hand. He came into office in 2001”
The only real fault I have for Bush on the issue of the economy is that he was suppose to be a “Conservative” i.e. a Republican. There are two ways to handle the economy when you are either. One is that you do not spend like a drunken freshman with your first credit card. The other is that you are mindful of others spending like a drunken freshman with their first credit card. Bush failed at either test and that I do fault him for.
“He kept us safe” in the Age of Terror.
OK this me-me! Those who have studied the manners and ways of Al-Qaeda have said that they plan for years and it could be year’s in-between attacks. Is that Bush’s doing or Al-Qaeda’s? Back to poor Regular and my pre-emptive strike, is my intent to kill him and have not done it yet? Mean he is safe from my pre-emptive strike? No it just means I have not done it yet. The MSM has failed to report the follow-ups, they tell you of the arrests and charging of plotter of terrorist acts within the U.S. But fail to report that the majority of those arrested and charged are not found guilty the story is allow to fade from memory. And of those terrorist plotters, look at their plots a couple of guys whom thought that simply by blowing up a fuel tank it would blow up the entire Airport. The four guys whom planned to buy guns and overrun an Army base. These are real Einstein’s are they not? Maybe it was that Bin Laden could not spare his smarter brother so he sent his beer-bellied brother whom graduated from the third grade four times to attack us.
If the Police held a news conference today and touted that it was because of them that no one planning to brake into your house but as of this moment have not. How much credit would you give them for someone not acting yet? Richard Clarke when asked about the length between now and 9-11 and no more attacks on the U.S. soil. He said that Al-Qaeda looks at things like our open boarders and thinks its a trap. They no one is that stupid so it must be a trick. They are playing a game of Chess while we play a game of Marbles. And to be more to the point, why would they attack us in an attempt to demoralize this country? We seem to be doing their work just fine in undermining the status and standing within the world. THAT’S IT! My pre-emptive strike on Regular was I was going to burn his house down. But the A-hole done poured the gas and struck the match himself!
Clever boy! OHHH voices in my head, whom now is after me?
LOL there I go again writing far more then most will read. Sorry I wanted it to be a two second sound bite. Damn I keep losing the Gold fish readership!
The doctrine of preemption.
Is it necessary in this dangerous world, where the first strike could be nuclear or widespread fatal disease or poisons?
No doubt.
The art of jumping at shadows outlander?
Gone boy. Just gone. Like a turkey in the corn. But, get used to it.
You’re about my age. You’ll spend the rest of your life defending that sorry SOB. I’ll never understand why and I don’t want to.
The damage that bush made will take YEARS to fix. Some of it may never be repaired. Which of course was his handlers and his intention all along.
Worst President imaginable.
“outlander” defends –
The doctrine of preemption.
Is it necessary in this dangerous world, where the first strike could be nuclear or widespread fatal disease or poisons?
No doubt.
And that’s the problem. The absence of doubt.
The Bush Doctrine of preemption (more proof “outlander” is better qualified to be the GOP’s candidate for Vice-President than the Moose-Dresser was) might have some justification had it not been so brutally misused and abused by the president who championed it.
Iraq most certainly did not qualify as a candidate for preemptive war of aggression by the United States of America.
September 11, 2001 was not so much an act of terrorism as it was of vandalism.
The people who made it terrifying are the media and politicians who saw a good marketing opportunity when they saw it. The media-fired “War on Terror” (a war on a tactic, guaranteed to never be won and thereby assuring Orwell’s never-ending war).
The real terrorists of 9/11 were people such as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson who blamed it all on reproductive rights and same-gender love.
The real terrorists of September 11th were people such as Dick Cheney and George WMD Bush and Donald Rumsfeld and Karl Rove who milked fear from the teat of corporate profiteers’ golden calf.
The real terrorists are those who claim to speak for whatever their version of the “one true god” must certainly be thinking.
When people play the God Card, they eliminate doubt from the equation.
Kittens are cuter that puppies because God says so. Try to convince me otherwise. If you disagree with me you’re disagreeing with God and that makes you wrong. Case closed.
Chocolate tastes better than barbecue because my God says so. Forget that there are different circumstances regarding taste. Forget that my God may lift me to power to demand everyone eats barbecue-flavored dessert… just to prove KC Masterpiece sauce isn’t as good as Hershey’s Syrup on vanilla ice cream… nope. My god told me chocolate is better than barbecue and you have no say in the matter or else you’re opposing “God.”
Religion is the enemy of doubt.
“The real terrorists are those who claim to speak for whatever their version of the “one true god” must certainly be thinking.
When people play the God Card, they eliminate doubt from the equation… Religion is the enemy of doubt.”— Monkey
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Ol’ Monk, sure is willing to go far afield to get in a shot at religion. Swinging at imaginary demons again. Today it is religious folks somewhere who know exactly what God is thinking. Anyway, so doubt is good, eh Monkey? I just don’t know what to doo ooo!
I heard something about doubt too.
Doubt, it can make you miserable. It can also get you dead.
If Bush has kept us safe from terror – then why does he not even think about Bin Laden anymore?
As for pre-emptively striking Iraq – this also begs the question as to why invade Iraq when the majority of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis?
While George W. Bush was busy kissing the ring of the Saudi King, our troops were dying in Iraq keeping us safe from terror?
Good show on the History Channel about a REAL President, Teddy Roosevelt.
You know? The Republican who saw that his party was stuck in the 1800’s, tried to change them, and ultimately bailed that sorry, stagnant mess?
A hundred years from now? There will be no laudatory words for bush.
I’d have to give the history revisionism award to the dude from townhall.com.
Truth is we went from the best of times to the worst of times, under the guidenorship of the decider.
“outlander” comes down from the mountain and gives us –
“Doubt, it can make you miserable. It can also get you dead.”
Uh-huh.
And I have no doubt whatsoever, “outlander,” you are going to live forever.
The doctrine of preemption.
And yet we’re less safe than we were before 2001.
Keep drinkin’ the koolaide and swallowing the lies fed on a daily basis. Keep blaming the other side. It’s much easier than seeing the reality.
He did leave out the little matter of in this terrorist world bush developed the idea of preemption by striking the wrong country! But, hey, gotta love the concept.
71% of Americans are glad to see bush leaving, I seriously doubt history will be much kinder.
Problem with that revisionism is the devil is in the details.
Joe Kline called it perfectly. Bush was intellectually lazy, which is lethal in a president. He never revisited decisions, and still seems to be unable to consider even in retrospect the consequences of his actions. The other lethal shortcoming was the use of Karl Rove, a political strategist who almost always thought in terms of short term advantages in the next election, as Chief of Staff. This ensured that decisions were made without thought to long term consequences. And on top of all this, we had Darth Cheney, who infected Bush with an idea of executive privilege that would have even made Richard Nixon blush.
No, the Bush Administration will not be treated kindly by history. It will not even be close, the predictable nitwitism of the Town Hall columnist to the contrary.
Historians will ask, “How could they’ve gotten it so wrong, for so long?”
“Agnatha” –
Get a copy of “The Bush Tragedy,” by Jacob Weisberg.
It’s a fascinating study of Shrub’s family dynamics.
A real problem, and I mean a REAL problem, is when we assume cause and effect with respect to domestic terrorist attacks since 9/11.
I don’t know how many Americans overall like to ascribe the dearth of 9/11’s to actions taken by the Bush administration, but certainly all of those who judge Bush’s presidency as “successful” make just that assignment.
I see this everywhere. “No attacks since 9/11, and it’s all thanks to Bush!” is how it tends to go.
The problem is this, you can’t jump to that conclusion until you know if terrorists have even TRIED to attack the US. More specifically, to paraphrase Don Rumsfeld, you can’t make that conclusion unless you can quantify the number of terrorist attacks that WERE NEVER ATTEMPTED.
For example, if that number is zero, then you can’t logically conclude that actions by the administration caused the number to be zero. Nobody knows what their operational time line is, or if one even exists. After all, what if the terrorist who are smart enough to pull something off here never planned another attack until 9/11/2009? If that’s the case, then Bush had absolutely zero to do the dearth of attacks since 9/11/2001.
Too many Americans make the mistake of ascribing to Bush the lack of attacks. They have absolutely no idea of the very steep price such thinking could lead to. This could very well prove fatal, and I do mean fatal, to the USA in future.
I’m willing to keep an open mind about it (because that’s the logical thing to do). Unfortunately too many aren’t willing to keep an open mind, and in jumping to conclusions they could be subjecting the US to enormous harm.
Harry Truman at the time of his leaving office was regarded by the pundits of his day as a total failure. China had fallen to the Communists. The Soviets had the A Bomb and were on the verge of developing the H Bomb. Totalatarianism and communism was on the march around the World. His party was in the minority in Congress after having huge majorities just a few years earlier. and he was handing the government over to a Republican administration for the first time in twenty years. He was hated by the press and had low public approval ratings.
Now a days Truman is pretty highly regarded and rates high among twentieth century Presidents. He ended the war with Japan without having to invade Japan itself. He guided this Country through the transition from wartime to peace. He rebuilt the bombed out cities and economies of Europe with the Marshall Plan.
As with Truman, it will take several generations and the passing of time before George Bush will be seen for the great President He truly has been. When History is written from the distant future, He will be seen as a courageous man who made mistakes but did what had to be done to protect this nation in one of her most perilous times. Also History will record that He had to endure some of the most vicious and hatefilled attacks from a small but very vocal minority of so called Americans and that He handled those attacks with the upmost character and class.
Chrisfrommactown
Posted December 28, 2008 at 11:51 am | Permalink. When History is written from the distant future, He will be seen as a courageous man who made mistakes but did what had to be done to protect this nation in one of her most perilous times.
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Curious conclusion. You mention perilous times. Question: from where does the peril come from, inside or outside the US?
“The doctrine of pre-emption,” as used and defined by Bush, means invade anyone, anywhere, on any pretext.
The real Bush doctrine was in fact “security by empire,” and it had more to do with securing first-quarter profits for his Wall Street base than securing the homeland.
Perhaps some actions taken after 9-11 made us marginally safer (Bush apparently had, and has, no such doctrine of pre-emption toward Al-Qaeda). It would difficult to instill an attitude of unfocused fear in the public without creating some genuine security improvements (like, maybe, the no-fly lis. . . oh, wait, never mind!).
But Bush’s policy was ultimately one of unilateral aggression, horrific and nearly random violence, and utter contempt for any constraining rules on power (whether our own rules, or the international community’s).
Add to that 4 trillion dollars of unnecessary debt, hundreds of billions of wasted money in Iraq, a government run and regulated by industry cronies, and a predictable worldwide economic meltdown, and there is little doubt that Bush won’t be remembered well. In fact, it is difficult to think of anything the man actually did right.
P.S. Townhall.com, of course, are the folks who went nuts when Keith Ellison requested getting sworn in on a Quran. They are not sane.
The peril cannot come from outside the US, Chris. If it does, then Bush badly overreacted, very badly. After all, in all honesty what happened on 9/11 is that twenty men used boxcutters to bluff their way into the cockpits of 3 American airliners…and then used the airliners as suicide missiles.
But their targets weren’t tactical, they were strategic. To be more accurate, the targets were ideological. In other words, even the terrorists were aware that the greatest American Achilles heel is inside our daily, every day lives. Our Achilles heels certainly are not military in nature, which means the threat is not an external one.
They were trying to get in our heads, and for the very vast majority of Americans they succeeded. This is another way of saying that attacking the US at its weakest point it to attack its institutions, its landmarks, its civil infrastructure. There was no infantry behind the attack, no heavy bombers swept over the US, no ICBM’s followed up these 3 very lucky airliner attacks. No navies were launched at either coasts, no coups in either Mexico or Canada, no armies staged anywhere in either of the Americas. Smart terrorists are trying to apply enough fear and pressure to cause us Americans to destroy ourselves. There are no armies involved at all.
The threat is an internal one, not external. The reason that you’re wrong, that Bush will not go down in history as a great president (or even a successful one), has in part to do with the fact that he got this wrong.
180 degrees wrong, in fact.
Twenty men turned loosed in American airports, with bad intentions andarmed with boxcutters, is a political statement. A spectacularly successful one, granted, but it is certainly not a military threat.
Bush allowed himself to be fooled by the spectacle, and he brought the rest of the country down on the wrong side of his threat assessment.
For very good reason that alone will tend to keep presidents out of the prez hall of fame.
The whole Truman/Shrub analogy reminds me of a kid I was talking to years ago who’d just been cut from his high school basketball team.
“Michael Jordan didn’t make it on the team when he was a sophomore in high school and look what happened for him!”
Yeah, our grandchildren might make it the cause of their generation to blow up Mount Rushmore and replace it with a single image of George WMD Bush. Shrub’s profile will be on dimes and the five dollar bill will feature Dick Cheney.
Yeah, that’s what’s likely to happen.
Or not.
For CONs to play the Truman Card shows just how desperate they are with the abject failures of their core ideology.
And you have to hand it to the Republic Party. They waited years and years and years to find someone who might be a worse president than Warren G. Harding and they finally came up with one.
The ‘jawless fish’ weighs in on the topic, skewing the process with the elephantine toe of liberal thought.
P.S. Townhall.com, of course, are the folks who went nuts when Keith Ellison requested getting sworn in on a Quran. They are not sane.
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Rage demonstrates his lack of knowledge. Townhall.com is a website posting columns from top conservative writers. Lots of different viewpoints.
Townhall.com is a website posting columns from top conservative writers.
There was a featured representative of that viewpoint on CNN, identified only as from townhall.com. The presumption is that it was someone who actually represented the site itself, not a freelancer.
If you can find an opinion from any of those writers objecting to such madness, I will modify my view.
Rage: You can go there and look yourself. You won’t get cooties.
Already did. I counted three columnists who supported Praeger, and two who criticized him.
Fair enough.
Most of the old farts on this board will never live long enough to see how it turns out. Wouldn’t it be ironic if the Iraqi Army that Bush built is the one that conquers Israel?
outlander posted December 28, 2008 at 1:00 pm
You can go there and look yourself. You won’t get cooties.
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But you will be exposed to a bunch of spin and lies.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted December 28, 2008 at 10:35 am | Permalink
And I have no doubt whatsoever, “outlander,” you are going to live forever.
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In a sense, he will.
“Wouldn’t it be ironic if the Iraqi Army that Bush built is the one that conquers Israel?”
Duh..like you didn’t know that Christians WANT Israel destroyed?
Read the bible and go to church idiot.
I will give the greater conservative community credit–most of them thought Dennis Praeger was wrong.
http://townhall.com/blog/g/ab9d9b69-bd7c-4efb-af4c-7cd755ae691c
Duh..like you didn’t know that Christians WANT Israel destroyed?
You’re speaking of the apocalytic, archconservative “end times” crowd. I doubt that sentiment would go over well at, say, the United Church of Christ.
You got that right, Rage :-)
“He had to endure some of the most vicious and hatefilled attacks from a small but very vocal minority of so called Americans”
Small minority?
george bush is probably the most hated person on this PLANET. And he earned every bit of it.
There SHOULD be great celebration when he leaves office. Somebody should organize something. A national “Good riddance!” to send him into his future life of speaking to small audiences of small minded people.
Blue Jay, I thought we already had National Flush Day, Jan. 20, at NOON… LOL
President Bush will be remembered historically as a strong leader who was needed during the terrorist attacks and muslim uprising. He did not sway with the polls, stood for his convictions – and was not wishy-washy when the tidal pool of liberal opinion was against him.
Although Bush was leader during the final downfall of the republican party (which will never recover until it kicks out the religious right), he was representative of all the party faults rather than it just being his own personal failures.
I disagreed many times with President Bush, and was left scratching my head at many of his decisions, socialist ways, and bailouts – I am wise enough to know that it took more than one man to lead us down this road. History will record that.
Like the ratings of President Bush and the Democrats majority congress – most people know this as well:
Congress disapproval rating: 74% (gallop)
President Bush disapproval: 61% (gallop)
Poll: 75 percent glad to bid Bush farewell
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/12/26/Poll_75_percent_glad_to_bid_Bush_farewell/UPI-71801230321984/
P.S. “Be afraid! Be very afraid!” is not the proper way to deal with terrorism. It gives them exactly what they want.
Which is exactly what Bush did.
“Pre-emptive action has never been an acceptable act within any country ”
Wrong.
And I’d much rather we blow the suckers away before they attack us at home.
Why wait for them to explode a nuclear device (for example) in a US harbor when we can kill them on the high seas?
So Rage, you are going to let me punch you in the nose? Here it comes. Put your dukes down….
Historians will look at the real facts of Bush 43s term. They won’t read the bias of the media. They won’t be swayed by the leftist bloggers. That is why history will find that Bush was exactly the leader we needed at the time of the first terrorist attacks on our soil. The fact that there were no repeat attacks show how effective he was.
The economy was in the process of self distructing for many years. Bush just happened to be in office when the housing debacle finally came to fruition.
Both parties can share the blame for this – the demos because they denied that there were any problems – (see Waters and Franks) and the repubs because they didn’t force some action when they had the power to do so.
American Way – do you still not get it that Congress in the last 2 years has had a SLIM Democratic majority so I guess your point about Congress disapproval rating also applies to your beloved Republicans who have been stonewalling everything???
There is a line between holding one’s convictions and being stubborn – George W. Bush has been stubborn for 8 years…
There is a line between being a strong leader and being a fool that tries the same tactic time and time again and expecting different results. And, I might add, it is easier to send other peoples’ loved ones into combat and not your own.
Why did anyone expect anything positive to come from George W. Bush? In all his adult life has he ever not run down everything or bankrupted every business his hands touched?
George W. Bush promised to restore honesty and integrity to the White House in 2000 campaign. That, too, is just a pipe dream. We will be lucky if the country still has a nail to hang its hat on after GWB finally gets out town.
Okie – I remember John McCain stating the fundamentals of the economy is strong just a day before he had to put on his superman cape and fly down to Washington DC to save us all.
So, let’s not just hang the blame on the Democrats – okay? Greed comes in all colors, sizes and shapes.
Besides, I noticed Bush and Paulson jumped high enough when Wall Street banks and AIG called for their bailout money but balked when it comes to the US automakers – mostly middle class workers.
George W. Bush will be remembered for many things but wise and defender of ALL Americans will not be in that list.
Maybe there is a historian among the 24 percenters who are so blind they can’t see the truth of this bush idiot in charge. And maybe that historian will write up a history the loyal 24 percenters can hold up as their truth. It doesn’t matter! They are marginalized but aren’t even able to see that truth.
Whether they have it written down or not, if they’re still unable to see the failure of this man and his administration, they don’t want to and never will.
History can’t change the fact that bush is a abysmal failure. What I hope it does is disclose much that we currently don’t know. If records haven’t been destroyed there is more that will eventually see the light of day and further prove how dangerous this man is and how much damage he has caused.
“Why did anyone expect anything positive to come from George W. Bush?”
Well, most people didn’t.
I hated and I do mean HATED him ever since his early candidacy. He is SUCH a happily vacuous moron. It shames me that our country and some people in it could even CONSIDER him Presidential material.
But, he did what he was supposed to do. He got the rich richer and carried forward the agenda of the Project for a New American Century crowd.
For awhile.
LOTS of damage to undo. Obama best get to it on day one.
Linda when you can’t look at Barney Frank and Maxine Waters and see the damage they did to the economy, by denying that Raines and his ilk were directly responsible for the housing debacle – I have little faith that the dems, if this blog is any indication of the future, will be able to find anything under those rocks. I would hope that Obama doesn’t follow your advise and actually starts making positive strides in healing the economy.
And Mom if your memory is so good I am sure you remember that McCain wrote a letter in 2002 that warned of the Fannie and Freddie problem. But the dims were slow on picking up on it because Watters and Frank denied there was a problem.
That might be the rock we need to look under.
If Townhall.com is a blog, we should jump over there and straighten the guy out.
If we always do what we’ve always done,
We’re always gonna get what we always got.
Well Chas I couldn’t agree with you more. That is a first I am sure. The politicans have got to look at the mistakes they have made in the past and quit repeating them. That is our only hope. The era of change is what Obama has promised us. I hope he carries through with that promise.
So Rage, you are going to let me punch you in the nose? Here it comes. Put your dukes down….
Actually, a more accurate analogy would be if I told everyone you were evil and dangerous, then showed up at your house with a machine gun, and shot up you, your wife, and your kids.
Some in the neighborhood were cool with it, because everyone knew you were a bastard anyway.
Oh, and on the way out, let’s say I spotted a kid who reminded me of your kid. The kid told me that he knew your family, so I had him shipped to my private offshore dungeon to be tortured at length.
Disclaimer: Thought experiment, not meant to be taken literally. Use only as directed.
Bush damnation is not just the physical, but also by reason of intangibles. In economics worse than Hoover, in deceit and disregard for due process, worse than Nixon, lying as to the need of the sacrifice of our childeren in places far away, worse the Johnson. The imposition of ways and means deleting, or the malignent muting, of what we thought to be basic birthrights, while lowering America to the bottom of morality and trustworthiness in the eyes of the world. Those we will need, including our former allies, will capitalize and feed on the horrors we’ve let loose for we now have no genuine friends, anywhere. A huge majority of folks in the other democracies think America is now the biggest threat to the world, leaving no epitaph more fitting for the “W” era. But then with no free press left, how would we ever know this?
I’ll say something good about George W. Bush.
He was a beta-tester for our 200+-year-old democracy.
If it could survive even him, it must be more resilient than it seems.
And he was very thorough. Heckuva job, Bushie!
With any luck…
This is the last time we will see this picture.
I’ve always thought this picture looks like bush is caught taking a whiz on something (the Constitution maybe) and is irritated at being discovered.
Just for the English majors, this should read as follows >>>>
“If we always do what we’ve always done,
We’re always gonna get what we always got.”
– by Anonymous –
For the P.O.E.M.’s (Professional Organization of English Majors)
“There SHOULD be great celebration when he leaves office. Somebody should organize something. A national “Good riddance!” to send him into his future life of speaking to small audiences of small minded people.” — Blue Jay
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There was this mention in Saturday’s paper (which I didn’t read until today):
Ideas sought for local
inaugural celebration
Hope, Inc., which is coordinating the Obama Kansas Change Committee, is looking for people to plan local activities to correspond with President-elect Barack Obama’s inauguration.
The planning meeting is set for noon to 2 p.m. today at 2137 N. Battin, behind Roseline’s International Enterprise. It is open to the public.
The committee is planning events including a TV viewing of Obama’s swearing-in-ceremony, possibly a parade, and a dinner ball.
For more information about the meeting, call 316-618-8652.
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Did anyone attend, or does anyone know what came of the meeting? I too think getting rid of bush is worthy of great celebration!
Well it will be interesting to see what history will have to say about the One Obama.
Today, the big news on our next president: Video of Obama in his bathing suit.
Liberals, it’s whats for dinner
“Obama Kansas Change Committee, is looking for people to plan local activities ”
Hey another first for Obama! Local Brown Shirts!!!
Heil Obama!
Phil Brownlee: How is the tabloid business going? Not so hot for newspapers huh.
Maybe it’s the obvious bias: Photo of US President back of head. 47% of us aren’t buying.
I don’t give money to vagrants. Just to let you know for when you join your colleagues pan-handling on the streets.
If repubs were honest, they’d admit they voted for bush because he was the “Keeper of the Zipper”, and so he has fulfilled their expectations with flying colors (far as we know).
I think a public shoe throwing at a bush effigy would be a crowd drawer, and a celebratory act.
He was a beta-tester for our 200+-year-old democracy.
The jury is still out on whether democracy will survive, the capitalistic system is presently morphing.
That may be the historical ramification of the bush presidency, it was a watershed for the new form of govt.
public shoe throwing at a bush effigy
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I doubt there will be any room left in all the public parks after the Obama in his swimsuit statues are built.
Speaking of Obama in his swimming trunks. Did anyone notice if he inherited the black or the white sized schwanz?
Afterall, along with his swimsuit video, the news is full of his physical appearance.
Accordingly, his one-eyed lizard is fair play and will be an important feature on his statues.
RoaCH, you are truly named well and as disgusting as your namesake.
Re: The (cock)RoaCH
Obvious troll. Don’t feed it.
“Historians will look at the real facts of Bush 43s term. They won’t read the bias of the media. They won’t be swayed by the leftist bloggers. That is why history will find that Bush was exactly the leader we needed at the time of the first terrorist attacks on our soil. The fact that there were no repeat attacks show how effective he was.”
That’s a joke, right? You can’t possibly be serious.
There are so many reasons why history will find Bush the worst president our country has ever endured…from an unnecessary and costly war with a country that was no threat to us, to appointing a horse judge to head FEMA. He had so many screwups, it would take all night just to list them.
I think Roach is jealous.
I think Twinkies should be outlawed.
Hey, I’m NOT the insect kind of roach dang it!
But even if I was, I’d rather be one of the most hardened insects to roam the land – than an ancient (meaning old, old, old) jawless fish which never cares for their young and live lower than whale shit.
Besides jawless fish, I am NOT a troll, nor do I meet the definition thereof. I do understand that anytime anyplace anyone posts contra-bleeding heart liberal, on this blog they are branded a troll.
In the later case, I wear the brand proudly.
And Twinkies are cool, as long as you have some beer to wash them down with to prevent cotton mouth.
Yes Mary I am very serious. I know since this blog is predominately dimo libs I will be in the minority but Yes I do think history will write the last chapter on W. The results he achieved were good for the most part. Truman was blasted for the ‘bomb’ and I just heard some idiot today today on this very blog say Johnson did less damage in Nam that Bush did in Iraq. This is the logic you see on this blog.
How many lives were lost in Nam? How many in Iraq?
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RoaCH
Posted December 28, 2008 at 9:26 pm | Permalink
And Twinkies are cool, as long as you have some beer to wash them down with to prevent cotton mouth.
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P.M. must be doing something wrong, because she swells.
Lib logic in action:
sursum
Posted December 28, 2008 at 2:44 pm | Permalink
Bush damnation is not just the physical, but also by reason of intangibles. In economics worse than Hoover, in deceit and disregard for due process, worse than Nixon, lying as to the need of the sacrifice of our childeren in places far away, worse the Johnson
If you can get past the gag reflex that Bush supporters tend to trigger – Bush’s redemption is outside any judgment of history younger than 50 years…when Bush and they will be dead as doornails – then they’re actually pretty humorous. Fun-filled? Well, less so. :D
If you are fond of extremely dark humor, they’re a laugh riot no doubt.
Of course, this led to their apocalyptic losses last month…but if they’re willing to own up to the reasons behind their profound loss then I’m willing to laugh with ‘em.
Or at ‘em, their choice.
;>)
when Bush and they will be dead as doornails
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You should be on the Open Thread. Anti is cramming libs into wood chippers.
I suppose you could buy one too and use it on those
outside any judgment of history younger than 50.
Fire that puppy up.
Rrrr!
RrrrRRRrr!
RRRr!
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
Back on thread topic: Photo
Do you suppose they have the presidential seal above the urinals in the white house?
It’s not generally accepted as polite, but between very close (drunk) friends, we so sometimes carry on a conversation at ajoining urinals. Mostly just small talk or comments about the game or the weather if not buddies – if at all.
But Bush does appear to be talking over his shoulder. Could this be a shot from the men’s head in the white house?
Come on men posters! You KNOW I’m on it.
Look at the gawd damn picture in this thread and tell me that’s NOT the look we all have seen a million times in a public toilet!
They caught the prez draining his lizard.
U no it.
say Johnson did less damage in Nam that Bush did in Iraq
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Only time will tell OKobserver, only time will tell.
It sure won’t be the recorded thoughts and history of the small minority of liberals in Wichita Kansas and surrounding hick country writing it.
Looking at Vietnam, those former rotten scoundrels are tripping all over their capitalist asses trying to sell their products to America.
Who knows what Iraq’s future holds?
Afghanistan, on the other hand – is doomed to more civil stife, drug lords, and tribalism. It wasn’t ever a place we really give a shit about, nor is it in our “sphere of influence” (archaic), nor is it another growing democracy.
Afghan is simply a country we could blow up – and all of us: liberal and conservative alike can FEEL GOOD about.
If the liberals on this blog were TRULY honest: we should cut and run from Afghanistan even faster than in Iraq. There are no ties that bind.
But hey, lot’s of heroin!