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New species of coral discovered, meanwhile creationist send out a prayer team to pray for the fossils of unicorns and satyrs to pop out of the ground. Yes, followers of the bible actually believe these beings exist because they are mentioned in the bible.
Mistaken Identity Leads Researchers To Two New Extinct Species Of Coral
ScienceDaily (Dec. 8, 2008) — What began as an homage to achievement in the field of coral reef geology has evolved into the discovery of an unexpected link between corals of the Pacific and Atlantic. Dr. Ann F. Budd from the University of Iowa and Dr. Donald McNeill of the University of Miami named a new species of fossil coral found on the Island of Curaçao – some six million years old – after renowned coral reef geologist and University of Miami Rosenstiel School professor, Dr. Robert N. Ginsburg.
The new species, originally thought to be an elkhorn coral (genus Acropora), a species widely distributed throughout the Caribbean that was informally christened Acropora ginsburgi in 1995 on Ginsburg’s 70th birthday.
You’ll find more real science, not creationism at:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081208114304.htm
THE OBAMA-GORE CONSENSUS
They now want “technology” to be the solution. George Bush must be laughing. That was his idea but he was howled down over it
Barack Obama’s great virtue is his ability to behave like a cynical politician without getting a reputation as a cynical politician. The latest example is his left-pleasing promise during the campaign for a windfall oil tax, now quietly removed from his transition Web site. Explained an aide, the tax was all along meant to apply only if oil prices are over $80 a barrel. “They are below that now and expected to stay below that.”
Mr. Obama here makes a choice in favor of good economic policy. But there’s something else going on. He’s a student of the late radical thinker Saul Alinsky, who argued that you do or say what’s necessary in a democracy to gain power, while keeping your true aims to yourself. Mr. Obama’s novel contribution has been to turn this exploitation on his supporters on the left (who admittedly are so wedded to their hero that, so far, they don’t seem to mind).
His next big challenge is an upcoming conference updating the Kyoto targets. Mr. Obama has not backed off his overwrought climate rhetoric, but listen carefully to Al Gore. Now that Democrats are on the verge of power, he’s backing off cap-and-trade and carbon-tax proposals (i.e. visible energy price hikes for consumers) in favor of a new approach — massive government subsidies for “green technology.”
Two fans, Michael Shellenberger and Ted Nordhaustell, co-founders of the Breakthrough Institute, write approvingly of what they call Mr. Gore’s highly “significant shift.” “He knows that cap-and-trade, and most any new regulation, would raise energy prices — a political nonstarter during a recession.”
Uh huh. Mr. Gore, when he’s close to power, always drops the politically unpopular medicine his climate views would seem to necessitate. When he ran for president, he tried to lower gasoline prices by opening up the petroleum reserve. There was no recession at the time.
But the former veep is perfectly in sync with Mr. Obama. Energy taxes popular with the left but unpopular with voters will soon be off the table to preserve his second-term hopes. But that doesn’t mean an end to “climate policy, ” which can still be used to foster a network of trade groups willing to kick back some of their taxpayer subsidies to maintain Democrats in power. This will do nothing for climate change (and indeed nothing proposed or entertained in Washington would make a difference to climate). But it will help cement Democratic ascendancy over Washington’s iron triangle of interest groups, politicians and the bureaucracy.
Indeed, Mr. Gore, as an investor and promoter of several green energy funds himself, is a walking conflict of interest here — one whose bogus credibility Mr. Obama will happily make use of. Alinsky would be proud.
By HOLMAN W. JENKINS JR.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122869112877186439.html
Should we be bailing out every industry and mortgage with taxpayer dollars?
Not according to Thomas Jefferson’s thoughts.
“The same prudence which in private life would forbid our paying our own money for unexplained projects, forbids it in the dispensation of the public moneys.”
–Thomas Jefferson, letter to Shelton Gilliam, 19 June 1808
Why it was a bad decision for the government to become business owners:
“Bank of America…., in normal times, this would have been considered prudent banking practice, but just last month Bank of America received $25 billion in a financial bailout meant to keep loans and credit flowing.”
So we no longer will have businesses do what is “prudent”.
We now have government control which will ensure government decides for business what is “prudent”.
United Socialist States of America
Forgot the link: Commentary: Chicago factory sit-in fits nation’s mood
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/08/lichtenstein.chicago.labor/index.html
Kudos to Wichita Homeschool Warriors for winning the BEST Robotics Frontier Trails competition this weekend, held in Ft. Smith, Arkansas. The project this year was designing and operating a miniature “factory” that assembled model planes, using robots, and then test-flying them.
http://www.uafortsmith.edu/FTBEST/2008CompetitionResults
BEST is Boosting Science, Engineering and Technology. It was started by two Texas Instruments engineers as a way to inspire and prepare kids to pursue college degrees and careers in these fields.
The Warriors went to Arkansas after winning the Kansas contest at WSU last month, a competition they have either won or placed 2nd for the last 8 years in a row.
Meanwhile, Texoma Home Educators placed first in the Texas competition, beating A&M Consolidated HS, a school whose largest parent contingent is Texas A&M University faculty, including many science and engineering profs.
Christian homeschooled kids excelling in applied science. Whoda thunk it?
Thumbs up FYIII, glad to hear the great news about our kids accomplishments.
FYIII…. thank you for the awesome, not to mention positive news!!
Pelosi: Stimulus bill ready soon
Pelosi told NBC’s “Today” show that “this is a priority” for Democrats and said that “we have been begging” for over a year to do this.
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The House Speaker, the leader of the democrat majority begging? Is that how you lead?
And she has been begging since December 2007? Why that’s even before the first unStimulus Package..
http://www.engineeringfreaks.com/engineering.html
More like an anal retentiveness and Lego competition, in my opinion, if the photo in the above citation is any guide. Here are the rules:
“BEST features two parallel competitions: A robotics game, which is based upon an annual theme with four teams competing at once in a series of three-minute, round-robin matches. The BEST Award, which is presented to the team that best embodies the concept of Boosting Engineering, Science, and Technology. Elements include a project summary notebook, oral presentation, table display, and spirit and sportsmanship. Each school is provided kits of equipment and parts, a set of game rules, and given six weeks to design, build, and test a small Radio/Controlled (R/C) robot that outperforms other robots.”
No wonder home schoolers win; they have nothing else to do but pray and wonder weather or not androids count digital sheep.
Final conclusion: Nice, but proves nothing except perhaps the home schooled are robotically capable of following the rules.
My brother and I built marble tracks out of garden hoses and dirt that were easily as complex.
I hope each of the little home schooled got a trophy.
They will need….SOMETHING to hold close in their teen years. Isolated as they are from social development.
You have to wonder about folks like Beber. Denigrating school kids’ accomplishments.
Low self-esteem Beber?
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BlueJay
Posted December 9, 2008 at 7:40 am | Permalink
I hope each of the little home schooled got a trophy.
They will need….SOMETHING to hold close in their teen years. Isolated as they are from social development.
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Given the possibility that you speak out of ignorance rather than spite BlueJay, I’ll cut you some slack and won’t ask what happened to your social development.
Low self-esteem, outlander, is better than having nothing to get steamed about.
outie must have been home schooled or is home schooling.
Hey, cool with me. The majority of home school kids are the children of religious kooks. And while I am sorry for the kids, I am glad that as many of them as possible are not in the school system and around my kid.
“I hope each of the little home schooled got a trophy.
They will need….SOMETHING to hold close in their teen years. Isolated as they are from social development.”
BlowJay, you sorry loser, and that’s all you are, a sorry disgusting loser.
Those home schooled kids beat the very best public school education had to offer, and did so handily. Why don’t you congratulate them instead of being bitter.
I’ll tell everyone why, because you can’t stand to see anyone excel on their own merit along with their parents, separate from a government bureaucracy and a giant union which can’t compete with individual effort and excellence.
Crawl back in your hole you vermin mole.
Oh, and BlowJay….those kids will have plenty of “social development”, and getting it from other kids of high intellectual development and work ethic as opposed to slugs like you undoubted were and are.
You have a school aged son, someone should turn you in to child protective services for child abuse….poor kid living with you.
That’s stupid…I know many kids who have been homeschooled and they do REALLY well, especially not being exposed to all the negative influences that come from public schools. They have social gatherings, take field trips, play sports, and generally hang out with kids who are homeschooled like themselves…plus they have the advantage of being raised by parents who are totally committed to their education.The nicest, most polite, and educated kids you’ll EVER meet are often homeschooled.
My cousin homeschooled all 7 of her kids…talk about great kids who are far ahead of their public school peers… and the sweetest, most thoughtful kids you could ever meet. We have two families where I live that homeschool their kids…and I can say the very same about them. One of my oldest friends homeschooled her daughter…and not only has she thrived academically, she’s dancing in the nutcracker again this year.
And many home schooled kids don’t do really well, like the one who was killed in a lightning storm a few years ago near Pfeiffer. In public schools, students aren’t allowed to play during thunderstorms.
I don’t think being hit by lightening had anything to so with being homeschooled. In my experience, homeschooled kids do well. There are certain standards parents have to adhere to, and it takes a huge commitment, so parents who do it are very dedicated to their kids.
“plus they have the advantage of being raised by parents who are totally committed to their education.The nicest, most polite, and educated kids you’ll EVER meet are often homeschooled.”
Mary, you have hit it on the head why jerks like ‘BlowJay’ and ‘booger’, er beber,…no booger, hate to see home schooled kids excel.
They would never put forth the effort to teach their kids like that. They are too selfish to put forth the effort, and lack the dedication to their own family and children.
Just like in everything else in their lives they want someone else, like the government, to do it for them.
Hey, that reminds me, what happened to Craptor.
“And while I am sorry for the kids, I am glad that as many of them as possible are not in the school system and around my kid.”
“And while I am sorry for the kids, I am glad that as many of them as possible are not in the school system and around my kid.”
And I am sorry and very concerned for your kid BlowJay….praying for him.
That’s one reason my kids went to private schools….parents who put out that kind of money to educate their kids are involved. On open house night, you could barely make it through the halls because ALL the parents were there. There was never a shortage of room mothers (or dads) or other volunteers. Parents were so dedicated. When we moved out to Goddard and my kids transferred to the public school, I never saw the same committment on the part of the parents. But my kids loved it because they could make good grades without trying very hard.
If prayer really has power, wouldn’t that be interference? If prayer really has power, you have no right to pray for anyone’s kid, Boxlock, except your own.
“.parents who put out that kind of money to educate their kids are involved.”
THAT’S interesting.
Just the other day, I was posting that kids and parental involvement should come ahead of an employer.
And I got chewed on for it.
I’ve been to all of my son’s school events. There were plenty of parents there.
“Feds take Gov. Blagojevich into custody”
“Blagojevich and Harris were accused of a wide-ranging criminal conspiracy that included Blagojevich conspiring to sell or trade the Senate seat left vacant by President-elect Barack Obama in exchange for financial benefits for the governor and his wife.”
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2008/12/source-feds-take-gov-blagojevich-into-custody.html
“If prayer really has power, wouldn’t that be interference?”
Maybe that’s why we SHOULD pray for the children who don’t have what they need.
Just wondering what percentage you all think of kids homeschooled would be if we had the option of vouchers?
Usually, home school kids have at least parent with a Master’s Degree or higher. I had a friend who was PhD, MPH and his wife had a Masters. All three of kids graduated from University with 4.0 on full scholarships.
Proud parents there; his wife was also a volunteer prison minister, so she was a busy woman.
at least parent = at least one parent
I’m not saying that all public school parents aren’t involved..but a lot of them aren’t. Believe me, there is a huge difference between the public and private schools…I’ve experienced them both.
My hat’s off to anyone who is that committed to homeschool their kids….they will reap the rewards for their effots. It’s true that you get out of a relationship what you put into it. The same is true for being a parent.
Who decides what they need, you? That’s the problem with all moralists.
beber
Posted December 9, 2008 at 8:59 am | Permalink
Who decides what they need, you? That’s the problem with all moralists
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I don’t know how Kansas works with home schools, but the curriculum minimums are decided by the State – School District and they teach the core classes plus whatever extra/advanced courses they wish.
They have periodic testing and from what I’ve seen most do quite well when compared to public schools.
“Just wondering what percentage you all think of kids homeschooled would be if we had the option of vouchers?”
I’m gonna guess you would get a LOT of parents who would take the money and run. Their kids would get little or no education.
I think it’s safe to say all humans need the same things, Beber. Maslow had it right…we need to feel safe, have our basic needs met (like food and shelter), to feel love and belonging, and have a sense of purpose and life success. Nothing wrong with praying that other’s have these things.
” Just the other day, I was posting that kids and parental involvement should come ahead of an employer.
And I got chewed on for it.”
If it’s genuine dedication to the child and not an excuse to not put forth the effort to work to provide for the child and family.
beber, I’m not concerned with your thoughts on prayer offered for someone being “interference”.
Not at all.
Do you know what a voucher is BJ?
“I’m gonna guess you would get a LOT of parents who would take the money and run. Their kids would get little or no education.”
Have you got some inside personal insight into that?
“I’m gonna guess you would get a LOT of parents who would take the money and run. Their kids would get little or no education.”
Parents who home school have to meet standards just like the school system does. You have to register and there are checks and balances in place so people can’t just do what you described.
That’s wordy, m.c. I’ve always called it a square, a squat and a squeeze. And a good pair of shoes helps too.
Gender-bending pollution hits men
December 09, 2008
Geoffrey Lean
The Independent, London
(Dec 9, 2008)
The male gender is in danger — with incalculable consequences for both humans and wildlife — startling scientific research from around the world reveals.
The research, detailed yesterday in the most comprehensive report yet published, shows that a host of common chemicals is feminizing males of every class of vertebrate animals, from fish to mammals, including people.
Backed by some of the world’s leading scientists, who say that it “waves a red flag” for humanity, and shows that evolution itself is being disrupted, the report comes at a particularly sensitive time for Britain. Yesterday, Britain led opposition to proposed new European controls on pesticides, many of which have been found to have “gender-bending” effects.
It also followed hard on the heels of American research that shows that baby boys born to women exposed to widespread chemicals in pregnancy are born with smaller penises and feminized genitals.
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The story went on to refer to the males so afflicted as “liberals”.
I’m kidding.
http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/479223
Then you should pray that everyone has “a square, a squat, and a squeeze”.
That I do.
And some Converse All-Stars?
but drop the “should”. That’s moralism.
So in other words, to be male, you must lack compassion and you have to love war, intolerance, bigotry, and guns?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-rod-blagojevich-1209,0,7997804.story
“The chickens are coming home to roost. It’s not bless Armerica, it’s *** damn America.”
“Parents who home school have to meet standards just like the school system does.”
Please look into the experiment under george bush with charter schools in Texas. Start with the book “bush’s brain” by Molly Ivins.
It is well and good to laud the efforts of those who home school. But in THESE economic times? WHO has that luxury?
The fact of it is is that most who choose to home school DO so out of a desire to isolate their kids from society at large. Whether it is for religious or other reasons is not important. That they make an active attempt to marginalize their own children out of the mainstream is.
If I homeschooled MY son, he would never meet the child of a Republican or a religious person. I don’t associate myself with such people and so he would be denied the “opportunity” for himself. I can be reasonable sure that the folks who DO have the luxury to home school are similarly insular.
See ya later. I have another wallpaper stripping job to complete…I hate stripping wall paper..especially when there is no sizing underneath it.
Online opinion poll:
How well is Obama doing? Results
Q. The President-elect has scored high marks from the public in recent polls. In a USA TODAY/Gallup poll, more than three out of four Americans approved of how Obama has handled his transition so far. A new CNN poll shows a 79% approval rating for his first six weeks, eclipsing scores for George W. Bush and Bill Clinton in the same period.
How do you rate his work during the transition so far?
(One vote per user is counted.)
Extremely well. I believe he’ll be an excellent president. 48%
Fairly well. I don’t agree with all his choices, but I’m generally impressed. 13%
Not well at all. I’m concerned about his presidency. 30%
Not sure/No opinion. 8%
5246 votes
“The fact of it is is that most who choose to home school DO so out of a desire to isolate their kids from society at large. Whether it is for religious or other reasons is not important. That they make an active attempt to marginalize their own children out of the mainstream is.”
Maybe they choose to PROTECT their children from society at large..that’s not such a bad idea. I did it with my kids and they all grew up to be caring, comapssionate, responsible adults. They escaped the cynicism that comes with being exposed to the negative aspects of society for one’s entire life.
Fannie and Freddie warned about risky loans, but the interesting point is that they felt they had to because of competitive pressures (i.e. everyone else in the mortgage industry is doing it)
“Former Freddie chief enterprise risk officer David Andrukonis said in a memo to former Freddie chief executive Richard Syron and other executives the firm was buying mortgages that appear “to target borrowers who would have trouble qualifying for a mortgage if their financial position were adequately disclosed.”
Top officials at Fannie Mae also were told that the company needed to find ways to buy subprime mortgages because of competitive pressures, despite increasing risks and the failure of consumers to understand the terms of the loans.
See ya on the flip side.
Home schooling equates to “social ignorance”?
That’s just dumb and spoken by an average public school educated (and I use that word lightly) person.
I’ve LOTS of friends with lots of kids. So if I were to home school my kids, they would be well acquainted with their social “peers”. Religion is irrelevant where a SUPERIOR education (home school) is an option.
“Maybe they choose to PROTECT their children from society at large.”
I believe that is what I have been saying.
I think you need to study up on Home Schooling Junior, before you make generalizations about it.
Not all Home Schooled are religious folks; there is a necessity of those in isolated farming/ranching communities or those who live too far away from a ‘good’ school, so they home school.
There are also health considerations. Sometimes the child has disabilities that would be a greater burden on the parent and child if they went to Public school.
Living in Wichita, there is a choice of very good schools, no need to Home School
You don’t have any friends Pleefer.
How does one protect a child from society at large indefinitely?
And, is that realistic OR wise?
Man, there’s some boring crap going on here, loonies.
Can’t we talk about fightin’, f@#ckin’, and drinkin’?
If I were home schooled, I’d be even crazier than you loonies.
Imagine that.
NEVER gettin’ away from Momma.
Where’s a kid going to learn about the real world?
Soccer practice?
Home schools turn out inmates of the alternate universe. It’s an experiment in quantum physics, which will eventually result in the destruction of the planet.
RP_McMurphy
Posted December 9, 2008 at 9:35 am | Permalink
If I were home schooled, I’d be even crazier than you loonies.
Imagine that.
NEVER gettin’ away from Momma.
Where’s a kid going to learn about the real world?
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Same way the pioneers of our country did.
They had very small schools, did work and sometimes church activities.
Life doesn’t stop, just because you are home school.
Extra-curricular activities are choices everyone must make.
“No wonder home schoolers win; they have nothing else to do but pray and wonder weather or not androids count digital sheep.
Final conclusion: Nice, but proves nothing except perhaps the home schooled are robotically capable of following the rules.”
Beber I have a 14 year old granddaughter who is homeschooled. She is doing 11th grade level math and science. She also plays first chair french horn with the local middle school as well as competes with the school swim team. She has to get up at 4:30 in the morning to participate in this two hour practice. Back home to school before going back for band practice at 3:30. Yep she just sits around praying all day.
“That they make an active attempt to marginalize their own children out of the mainstream is.”
No loser, they make an active attempt to elevate their own children out of the mainstream.
“She also plays first chair french horn with the local middle school as well as competes with the school swim team.” — ok
They she’s not home schooled is she? You had to utilize the public schools to giver her those opportunities. Yet, I’d wager, you’re a voucher advocate.
GAWD: It’s like spanking babies.
I have no desire to teach my son that he is “elevated” over anyone save those who consider themselves “elevated”.
BlueJay
Posted December 9, 2008 at 9:43 am | Permalink
I have no desire to teach my son that he is “elevated” over anyone save those who consider themselves “elevated”.
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Are you really that stupid or do you just like to twist words to make your argument?
The idea is to ELEVATE children above their peers (to EXCEL).
The newsletter of the National Association for College Admission Counseling devoted the front page of its February, 1997 issue to the increase in homeschooled applicants. The article noted that such students perform above the national average on standardized tests and described homeschooled students as “often better socialized and more mature than students in public schools.”
http://parenting.ivillage.com/teen/teducation/0,,5q39,00.html
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Homeschooled kids get into college, and are usually more carefully scrutinized by college admissions people, especially in areas like foreign language and math, which can be potential areas of weakness for them.
I have a friend who is an evangelical Christian and a psychologist. He and his wife home schooled their kids and the parents made extra efforts to meet their kids’ socialization needs. I have a child in a community choir and many of those kids are home schooled – I am assuming that in addition to the singing, the homeschoolers were also involved due to socialization needs.
Homeschooling is hard work and you have to admire (I think) the parents who are willing to go to the trouble.
Jim Ryun and his wife homeschooled their children and they tended to fall under the stereotype that Jay mentions above, so it is understandable where that comes from, too.
Speakin’ of elevated….where’s a guy supposed to get his weed if he don’t go to school?
I know one thing for damned sure.
Wally and the Beaver would not be the same if home schooled.
Children home-schooled by parents who know what they are doing should do better than kids in public schools, on the average, simply because of the time-input and student-teacher ratio. Still, averages don’t tell you a lot. The best of the children educated in the public schools are very good; as are the best of home-schooled children. But I do suspect non-performance in some home schools is rewarded with very harsh treatment indeed. I wonder what happens to the student, for example, who refuses to pray.
This is an LJWorld article about Jim Ryun’s kids. It sounds as though they turned out pretty normal:
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2001/jul/04/jim_ryuns_children/
Part of their education was from homeschooling. Their mom had graduated from K.U. with a degree in Education.
I would like to know more about USD259’s online program. It supports home schooled children in some subjects — don’t know which or how many.
I do know there is a “seat day,” when ALL children must be present at a building and be counted so USD259 can collect the state dollars.
One question I have is what services are provided for those same state dollars paid to educate a child in the classroom. And, if the online program is an effective and complete educational program why is there any overcrowding at any building?
Anyone have knowledge of this online program? What it encompasses, how it is delivered, what is delivered?
Beber you should spend a day with a homeschooled child. They are very social. Because their parents pay taxes they are able to participate in the activities at the public school. There is a very active network of teachers available in the homeschool community for subjects outside the parents level of expertise.
My son is a math whiz so he teaches his own kids as well as some other homeschoolers in calculus and physics. In most states you are licensed to homeschool. This means you have to have the education and knowledge to participate.
What you don’t see is the disrespect some kids in the public schools display. Other than that they are just normal kids. Well schooled, well read and well rounded.
Geez Bluejay, you can waste an entire morning running your suck about something you obviously know nothing about.
1. BlueJay
Posted December 9, 2008 at 8:09 am | Permalink
The majority of home school kids are the children of religious kooks.
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Please provide a source or link to the above suck.
I happen to know quite a few home schooled children. My niece comes to mind. Her parents are not “church goers”. They are slightly green tree lovers, animal lovers, and voted for Obama.
2. BlueJay
Posted December 9, 2008 at 7:40 am | Permalink
They will need….SOMETHING to hold close in their teen years. Isolated as they are from social development.
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Please provide a link or source of data to confirm your above statement.
Again, I know home schooled children who partake in some activities with other children during the course of schooling. Some with the public school children, but also within the network of OTHER HOME SCHOOLED children. And you might be surprised to learn: home schooled children can take part on athletic programs/teams w/public kids.
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3. BlueJay
Posted December 9, 2008 at 9:02 am | Permalink
I’m gonna guess you would get a LOT of parents who would take the money and run. Their kids would get little or no education.
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Again, running the old JR mouth without any substantiating information. Obviously JR is clueless about the requirements/mandatory for home schooling. I’d love to introduce him to one I know who is now in West Point and another at MIT. I can’t, but you can document my statement which demonstrates home schooled children can be successful. Taking the money and running, is just a stupid comment. Home schooling takes a lot of W.O.R.K. and has to be documented and kids tested. (the public schools would do anything to prove home schooling doesn’t work. But it does.)
4. If I homeschooled MY son, he would never meet the child of a Republican or a religious person. I don’t associate myself with such people and so he would be denied the “opportunity” for himself. I can be reasonable sure that the folks who DO have the luxury to home school are similarly insular.
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Reached right in and pulled the above comment out his hind end. Obviously a product of public education, with no advancement beyond that point of minimum requirement.
Is Bluejay just the libs poor step child who you treat tenderly? Or is he so stupid you don’t want him – and want him on the other side?
“Anyone have knowledge of this online program? What it encompasses, how it is delivered, what is delivered?”
Linda my granddaughter takes French online. She has seat time 4 times a semester to be tested on this subject. Not sure how this counts in enrollment numbers. She is in Virginia which has pretty strict homeschooling requirements.
Apparently Illinios and Chicago are still pretty corrupt places. Full of dirty democrat politicians.
You all catch the attempt to control the press?
Illinois governor taken into custody
“Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich was taken into federal custody today on corruption charges stemming from the appointment of President-elect Barack Obama’s Senate replacement.
According to the statement, Blagojevich is alleged to have discussed obtaining:
• a substantial salary for himself at either a non-profit foundation or an organization affiliated with labor unions;
• a spot for his wife on paid corporate boards, where he speculated she might garner as much as $150,000 a year;
• promises of campaign funds — including cash up front;
• a Cabinet post or ambassadorship for himself.
The statement also alleges that Blagojevich and others tried to illegally obtain campaign contributions.
Blagojevich, Harris and others are also alleged to have withheld state assistance to the Tribune Company in connection with the sale of Wrigley Field. The statement says this was done to induce the firing of Chicago Tribune editorial board members who were critical of Blagojevich.”
Pretty typical conduct of the crooks running this country.
Anyone recall all the threads about the Alaska Gov. while she was under investigation? Hmmm?
HEY WEBLOG: WE GOT ANOTHER CROOK GOVERNOR!!!!
HOW ABOUT A THREAD!!!!!?! or dozen or so threads.
AmWay this isn’t crooked politics. It is just Chicago politics as usual.
Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich taken into federal custody
‘The breadth of corruption laid out in these charges is staggering’…
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/blagojevich/1321300,rod-blagojevich-illinois-governor-custody-120908.article
Another product of Illinois Democrat politics….OH WAIT, isn’t that where our President Elect grew up.
“CHICAGO (AP) – Federal authorities arrested Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich Tuesday on charges that he brazenly conspired to sell or trade the Senate seat left vacant by President-elect Barack Obama to the highest bidder.”
The affidavit said that as late as Nov. 3, he told his deputy governor that if “they’re not going to offer me anything of value I might as well take it.”
“I’m going to keep this Senate option for me a real possibility, you know, and therefore I can drive a hard bargain,” Blagojevich allegedly said later that day, according to the affidavit, which also quoted him as saying in a remark punctuated by profanity that the seat was “a valuable thing—you just don’t give it away for nothing.”
The affidavit said Blagojevich also discussed getting a substantial salary for himself at a nonprofit foundation or an organization affiliated with labor unions.
It said Blagojevich also talked about getting his wife placed on corporate boards where she might get $150,000 a year in director’s fees.”
“Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust”
Crooked DimLib that is.
Don’t forget Rezko.
Critics of Mr. Obama’s dealings with Rezko charge that the senator may have gotten a deal on his property purchase, noting that Mrs. Rezko paid the full asking price for her property on an adjacent lot. Both of which were sold by a single seller. Mr. Obama bought his house for $1.65 million – $300,000 below the asking price.
When the property was sold, Mr. Obama knew Rezko was under investigation on fraud charges.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/18/whistleblower-hits-obama-friends-appraisal/
Blagojevich brings the total of Bloombergs “Mayors Against the EVIL Gun Industry” group to be arrested to about 6 now I believe.
….cept he’s not a mayor. Oh well. Big time anti-gunner at any rate.
Wow enjoy the news. LOL!
Funny to see all you Wingnuts implicitly approving of Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald’s for having prosecuting Blagojevich (who appears to be guilty as sin, by the way) after having vilified him as a “witch hunter” for prosecuting the Valerie Plame case and convicting Scooter Libby.
Blagojevich tried to use his office to benefit himself, while Libby compromised a CIA agent’s cover in order to exact political punishment. Pretty indicative, Wingnuts, to see your glee over the former and continued denial over the latter.
Chicago, it’s not just a group:
Al Capone
Frank “The Enforcer” Nitti committed
Vicent Gerbardi (Machine Gun Kelly)
James “Big Jim” Colosimo
Chicago Police Chief William McGarigle
Chicago labor racketeer Maurice “Mossy” Enright
Sam Giancana allegedly fixed the 1960 presidential election in favor of John Kennedy for Cook County.
Tony Accardo, Chicago’s Boss of Bosses
William Hanhardt, former chief of detectives
Joseph “the Clown” Lombardo
Former governor of Illinois George H. Ryan is found guilty of all 22 racketeering and bribery charges
Gov George Ryan is sentenced to six and a half years
And least we forget, Lee Harvey Oswald is said to have ordered his Mannlicher-Carcano rifle for $12.95 from Chicago mail-order house Klein’s Sporting Goods. A sporting goods store linked to organized crime.
Fund Raiser Antoin “Tony” Rezko
Gov. Rod the Bald Face Liar Blagojevich
President Barack shut-em-up Obama
“after having vilified him as a “witch hunter” ”
Who did that?
“In addition, the case alleges that Blagojevich tried to influence the composition of The Chicago Tribune editorial board in exchange for state aid to the Tribune Company, which owns the newspaper.”
Naaaah, Could it be? the news media being viewed by certain liberal politicians as a tool to unfairly give themselves power?
Oh my I see the plot thinkens…
“Whole lot of taint comin down”
teehee
“Anyone recall all the threads about the Alaska Gov. while she was under investigation? Hmmm?”
Ha ha! Well we really needed to get to the bottom of Troopergate. I’m not sure it’s settled however. I think we need another half dozen threads to do the job.
Oh, yeah. Let see, November 4th is long gone. No mention of troopergate anymore. This is Proof that the bruhaha really was politically motivated.
The very funny Dana Milkank’s take on the Alien President-Elect story:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/08/AR2008120803446.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
That Fitzgerald doesn’t play favorites, whether it’s Repub corruption in outing an innocent covert CIA agent, or a Dem Govenor on the take. Good for him. Just too bad the bush admin was so corrupt he couldn’t get to the top of the plame treason.
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CF2K
Posted December 9, 2008 at 11:01 am | Permalink
Funny to see all you Wingnuts implicitly approving of Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald’s for having prosecuting Blagojevich (who appears to be guilty as sin, by the way) after having vilified him as a “witch hunter” for prosecuting the Valerie Plame case and convicting Scooter Libby.
Blagojevich tried to use his office to benefit himself, while Libby compromised a CIA agent’s cover in order to exact political punishment. Pretty indicative, Wingnuts, to see your glee over the former and continued denial over the latter.
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Sorry, the defense of “look a Republican was prosecuted too” doesn’t work in a court room.
Go flail your arms on another subject.
BlowJay, you sorry loser, and that’s all you are, a sorry disgusting loser.
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good one Box
Trooper gate is an Alaskan affair, not involving national interest anymore as the palin scoundrel is no longer a viable national candidate.
Alaska can take care of their own trash, or not.
Enjoy your story guys…Good riddence to him and his chief of Staff.
If the charges are true, he’ll go to jail, and unfortunately for him, bush won’t be commuting his sentence nor will Obama.
CF2K
Posted December 9, 2008 at 11:01 am | Permalink
“……. Libby compromised a CIA agent’s cover in order to exact political punishment. Pretty indicative, Wingnuts, to see your glee over the former and continued denial over the latter.”
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Libby was not indited for “compromised a CIA agent’s cover”. He was indicted for perjury.
You mean . . . politicians . . . in Chicago . . . are crooked!?
Say it ain’t so. Uh, and where’s Obama from again?
Anyway, on another subject, now that it appears we’re done beating up on JR (again) for (another) display of amazing stupidity and hatred . . . there is this, on the coming “infrastructure” investment.
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We’ve Got Phoney-Baloney Jobs Up the Ying-Yang, Say America’s Mayors! All We Need Is the Money To Pay For Them!
When the history of this awful moment of bailout hysteria is written, there’ll be a chapter or 20 on the complete bogosity of what might call “the infrastructure flim-flam”—the idea that government can boostrap the economy out its funk by hiring two guys to dig a hole and a couple more to fill it in.
Don’t you see? It’s the perfect plan!, as Batman’s Riddler might exclaim. In fact, one only wonders why they don’t hire three guys to fill the holes, thereby cutting unemployment to negative-something.
Then again, taxing Peter to pay Paul to build a parking deck with solar panels for Mary just might not be the sort of economic activity that, you know, accomplishes anything other than creating even more inefficient and generally non-productive public-sector spending with a major administrative dead-weight loss on the top.
Who cares, though, right, because the important thing, in the words of New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg and countless others, is that we don’t just stand there, do something! And when it comes to wasting taxpayer money on what used to be called make-work projects, the nation’s mayors are true visionaries.
http://reason.com/blog/show/130458.html
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Check out the list of “make-work” infrastructure boondoggles–uh, er, I mean -public works projects. Included on the local front is Manhattan, Kansas, who can “coordinate the traffic lights on Fort Riley Boulevard for a measly $71,250 (sure it will add only one job to the economy, but one is almost twice as much as zero when you think about!).”
Of course, this hysteria to throw money into potholes comes via the the general (and false)celebration of FDR as an economic wunderkind, despite the general concensus that the New Deal did not, in fact end the Depression, WWII did; in fact, the New Deal probably extended and worsened the Depression.
But of course, he Did Something!!!!.
Whether it works is entirely secondary . . . .
The ultimate comment on this kind of “make-work” balony comes, of course, from Mel Brooks. You must run the clip at the end of the article. It’s worth the link, by itself.
“Sorry, the defense of ‘look a Republican was prosecuted too’ doesn’t work in a court room.”
Did you not see the above guilt by association charges of “Hey, Obama is corrupt because there are so many other corrupt Chicago politicians”? Or was this an unintentionally humorous post? Either way, it was pretty funny.
So everybody from Chicago is crooked…wow way to generalize. If this is true this one will go to jail.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/18/whistleblower-hits-obama-friends-appraisal/
Another Chicago chicken coming home to roost.
You don’t suppose they just waited until after the election to expose these Chicago thugs?
Maybe you guys can cancel the election with this news…yea maybe…jeeze.
“Libby was not indited for ‘compromised a CIA agent’s cover’. He was indicted for perjury.”
And perjury is a minor crime unless it is committed by Bill Clinton.
Heckler
Posted December 9, 2008 at 10:48 am | Permalink
Blagojevich brings the total of Bloombergs “Mayors Against the EVIL Gun Industry” group to be arrested to about 6 now I believe.
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You trying to manufacture some sort of imaginary thread here???
Nothing to see here today to waste time reading…. Y’all have a nice day now!!!
Report: IED threat known before war
By Peter Eisler, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — Military leaders knew the dangers posed by roadside bombs before the start of the Iraq war but did little to develop vehicles that were known to better protect forces from what proved to be the conflict’s deadliest weapon, a report by the Pentagon inspector general says.
The Pentagon “was aware of the threat posed by mines and improvised explosive devices (IEDs) … and of the availability of mine resistant vehicles years before insurgent actions began in Iraq in 2003,” says the 72-page report, which was reviewed by USA TODAY.
The report is to be made public today.
Marine Corps leaders “stopped processing” an urgent request in February 2005 for Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles from combat commanders in Iraq’s Anbar province after declaring that a more heavily armored version of existing Humvee vehicles was the “best available” option for protecting troops, the report says.
Marine officials “did not develop a course of action for the (request), attempt to obtain funding for it or present it to the Marine Corps Requirements Oversight Council for a decision on acquiring” MRAPs, the report says.
The military continued relying mainly on Humvees until May 2007, when then-incoming Defense secretary Robert Gates called procurement of the MRAPs his top priority. Since then, the Pentagon has spent more than $22 billion to buy more than 15,000 of the vehicles.
The charge about pressure being applied on the Tribune to fire certain editors, put me in mind of our recent liberal editors and cartoonist being dismissed.
Did the Eagle succumb to external political or businessmen pressure?
Hehehe. HAHAHAHAHAHHA.
O. M. G.
Simply the BEST thing I’ve read regarding the “buy guns now” mania. It’s actually a pretty good read on the whole “god, guns and gays” thing.
As Monkeyhawk would write “wish I’d said that”.
http://www.ginandtacos.com/?p=1209
Well you go to war with the equipment you have or have not, can’t delay a discretionary war just for a little thing like troop safety.
And, anyway, the only protection the admin. thought was needed was protection from all the flowers and candy wielders.
Chas
“You trying to manufacture some sort of imaginary thread here??? ”
Nope, just typing as I was thinking and hit the POST button to soon. As you might note, in the VERY NEXT post I corrected it.
But it is curious don’t you think, how many of these criminal politicians turn out to be staunch anti-gunners?
Notice the difference when a dem is indicted. The dems don’t close ranks around one of their party that has been accused, they say If he’s guilty, let him rot in jail.
Repubs on the other hand try and defend and make excuses, or accuse the atty. gen. of being out to get their guy because he’s a repub.
How far up will this go?
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6424985&page=1
“The FBI affidavit said Blagojevich had been told by an adviser “the President-elect can get ROD BLAGOJEVICH’s wife on paid corporate boards in exchange for naming the President-elect’s pick to the Senate.”
Told by two other advisers he has to “suck it up” for two years, the FBI says it heard Blagojevich complain he has to give this “motherf***er [the President-elect] his Senator. F*** him. For nothing? F*** him.”
We will see if Obama is really made of teflon.
Alex Funcheon died for our sins.
Re: Donndublin >>>>
DNFTT
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StevenEDavis
Posted December 9, 2008 at 11:40 am | Permalink
“Sorry, the defense of ‘look a Republican was prosecuted too’ doesn’t work in a court room.”
Did you not see the above guilt by association charges of “Hey, Obama is corrupt because there are so many other corrupt Chicago politicians”? Or was this an unintentionally humorous post? Either way, it was pretty funny.
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Sure, bring that claim before a judge about Libby in the Blagojevich case and see how that works for ya.
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Phantom
Posted December 9, 2008 at 11:58 am | Permalink
Notice the difference when a dem is indicted. The dems don’t close ranks around one of their party that has been accused, they say If he’s guilty, let him rot in jail.
Repubs on the other hand try and defend and make excuses, or accuse the atty. gen. of being out to get their guy because he’s a repub.
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When the Republicans a are indited, they usually resign but Democrats are appointed to chair committees. Remember William Jefferson?
kfg
“As Monkeyhawk would write “wish I’d said that”.
Then you would have been about the ten-thousandth left-winger to say pretty much the same thing.
Same “stupid red necks” snark for about the tenthousandth time since Nov 4. Any original thought out there on the Left?
donnybudlin, you sure got some great content to your informative posts here.
You got a point in coming here?
Just for fun?
Letter from Deepak Chopra to Sean Hannity:
I sent the following letter to Sean Hannity recently in response to his misrepresentation of what I said on his show regarding the Mumbai terrorist attacks. I have not received any response back from him. Today I read it aloud on my Sirius-XM radio program and am now making it public here as well.
Dear Sean,
I saw a report about last night’s show that quotes you as follows:
“Hannity continued by saying, “We had Deepak Chopra on last night and he’s blaming America! …He was blaming America for the attacks in Mumbai and I challenged him on it and I’m like, ‘Wait a minute. You’ve done so well in America. Why are you blaming us?’ We protect 100% of the world’s population. We’re 4% of it.”
I am really disappointed in you. Do you not remember your other guest when I was on, former Defense Secretary Bill Cohen? He made the same point I did about America’s policy toward the jihadists: “Are we creating more terrorists than killing them?” Ironically, this question is attributed to Donald Rumsfeld.
It really doesn’t matter to me personally whether you agree with me or not. Leaving our debate aside, your habit of taking statements out of context and playing the blaming game is sad. You have a powerful platform that influences many people. Why do you use your influence to monger fear, militancy, divisiveness, and jingoism?
I was hoping to come back on your show and have a reflective, intelligent dialogue, but perhaps the attack mode is the only way you know to make a living. The best excuse for your dishonest accusations against me is that you don’t believe what you’re saying. The far right has deflated, so you are there to pump it up with hot air. If you stop blowing, you’ll be out of a job. I empathize.
Love,
Deepak
PS: No one expects the right wing to change, but for what it’s worth, they have entered an era of reconstruction. They’ve lost both their power and their credibility. Instead of trying to educate me about being an American, you might want to re-educate yourselves about dirty pool and below-the-belt attacks. Just a thought.
In place of all this pasting other loonie’s stuff, try something new…..think & write.
These ain’t even good original insults, bud.
This formula is starting to suck;
1 copy
2 paste
3 insult
boooooorrrrriiiiing……….
Won’t go to far donnieboy, Blagojevich is on wire tap complaining he can’t get anything from the Obama admin. other than statements of appreciation.”So (bleep) him”.
“When the Republicans a are indited, they usually resign”
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!
Yeah. Like David Vitter, Mr. Airport Restroom, and Ted Stevens?
They resign like those guys?
HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHA!
Well said Deeprak Chopra!
Hannity’s credibility went out the window when he reported the “McCain supporter mutilated!” story.
Well heckie, if you dont like it, there’s this little gadget called the scroll button… I use it frequently on wingnut posts. It’s why I keep stocked up on mouse grease.
Except this time, it was even easier for you to avoid the ten thousandth reading of it.
Just dont click on my links?
‘kay?
Heheheh. But I gotchya. You couldnt resist.
“indited”
Ol granny was GIVEN the correct spelling and STILL whiffed it.
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RP_McMurphy
Posted December 9, 2008 at 12:13 pm | Permalink
In place of all this pasting other loonie’s stuff, try something new…..think & write.
These ain’t even good original insults, bud.
This formula is starting to suck;
1 copy
2 paste
3 insult
boooooorrrrriiiiing……….
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Talking to yourself again Murph?
“But it is curious don’t you think, how many of these criminal politicians turn out to be staunch anti-gunners?”
Who knew Ted Stevens and Larry Craig were anti gunners?
Wow, ha just wonder where this might lead, and if the distinguished Governor doesn’t start getting really scared and decide to plea by singing like a caged canary. Guys like that haven’t existed in a vacuum, wonder who else will go down.
“If Illinois isn’t the most corrupt state in the United States, it sure is one hell of a the competitors,” said the head of the FBI’s Chicago office, Robert Grant.”
Notice Grant said “If Illinois isn’t the most corrupt state”, not just ‘it’s Governor’. There’s more to this….I guess well see.
“He said veteran FBI agents were “disgusted, sick” as they listened to the intercepted conversations of the Illinois governor.
The governor was taken into custody in handcuffs from his home by two FBI agents just after six this morning, according to Grant.”
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=6424985&page=2
I listen to metal and the thing Bluebird brings up disturbs me. I bring up my music choice because there’s a song out there titled “Mother” (Danzig). I’ve listened to that song for 20 years and still agree with it. I’ll never keep my kid’s sheltered (not that you could anyway). If I were to home-school them, it gives them a chance to understand and get access to, real history and practical mathematics and grammer. If the child shows an aptitude for building, you can help steer him/her towards that direction. It goes for anything. It’s not just training to punch a clock.
kfg
“It’s why I keep stocked up on mouse grease.”
Get yourself one of those optical or infrared ones. No moving parts.
“Heheheh. But I gotchya. You couldnt resist.”
Thought it might actually be interesting or entertaining. My mistake.
How ’bout it ladies? Any takers?
Motherhood at 70 Meet the world’s newest oldest mom.
By William SaletanPosted Tuesday, Dec. 9, 2008, at 8:37 AM ET
Rajo Devi and husband Bala Ram with their baby
It’s a heart-warming story of man—or, in this case, woman—overcoming nature’s cruelty. Devi and her husband tried for years to have kids. Eventually, menopause claimed her. That was 20 years ago.
Then technology arrived to save the day. No eggs? No problem. We can get you donor eggs. Bad sperm? No problem. We’ll fix that, too. “We used the usual intra cytoplasmic sperm injection (ICSI) technique,” the couple’s fertility doctor, Dr. Anurag Bishnoi, told the Times of India. “The ICSI method enables even poor quality sperms being used creating embryos.” In Devi’s case, the paper adds, the doctors used “blastocyst culture,” transferring the egg after five days in vitro instead of the usual two or three.
The tinkering worked. “Childless for 50 yrs, mother at 70,” says the headline in the Hindustan Times. Devi exults: “We longed for a child all these years and now we are very happy to have one.”
What else would you have to post about BlowJay?
Hee hee heeee….
Breaking Larry Craig news.
Sen. Craig loses bid to withdraw guilty plea
His lawyer had argued evidence of soliciting sex at bathroom was lacking
BREAKING NEWS
updated 3 minutes ago
MINNEAPOLIS – Idaho Sen. Larry Craig has lost his latest attempt to withdraw his guilty plea in a Minneapolis airport men’s room sex sting.
A three-judge panel of the Minnesota Court of Appeals on Tuesday rejected the Republican’s bid to toss out his disorderly conduct conviction.
Craig was arrested in June 2007 in a Minneapolis airport bathroom stall by an undercover officer who said the senator solicited sex.
He pleaded guilty to the misdemeanor and paid a fine, but changed his mind after word of his arrest became public. Craig insisted he was innocent, but the case effectively ended his political career.
Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28140563 /
Geez didn’t the election get rid or weird Larry?
Not his time up huh?
That’s GOTTA be….awkward…in the Senate bathroom!
So heckie, here’s fair warning so you can avoid reading this for the 10,001 time.
And the comments at the end are PRICELESS!!!!
For us libs only…
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×4610884
Pleefer:
If I were to home-school them, it gives them a chance to understand and get access to, real history and practical mathematics and grammer. If the child shows an aptitude for building, you can help steer him/her towards that direction. It goes for anything. It’s not just training to punch a clock.
Dylan:
Ah get born, keep warm Short pants, romance, learn to dance Get dressed, get blessed Try to be a success Please her, please him, buy gifts Don’t steal, don’t lift Twenty years of schoolin’ And they put you on the day shift
kfg
I quit going to the D.U. I always felt like a needed a shower after leaving there.
They used to have a pretty strong pro-gun group over there. Wonder how they are taking OBO?
Looking forward to seeing this and getting my kid involved in it.
Hopefully, a program like this will catch the kids whose parents are still dragging their feet.
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/nickelodeon-launches-the-big-green-help–an-environmental-pro-social,313895.shtml
lindaink,
I have a friend whose teenage son is very disabled by a physical condition. He did on-line schooling for the past few years & received his GED last year. I think a call to the school superintendent’s office might get you information about the program.
donbud, you’re a funny guy.
want to go get a beer?
beber,
At the end of the 12-8 thread, you commented that you wonder where the “goodbyeway” is–Ah, just as I type this I realize you were probably referring to our usual night time blessing that ends in “so mote it be.” Hope our blesser was ok; maybe he fell asleep in front of the tv.
‘Remarkable Change in Arctic Atmospheric Circulation: Have We Passed a Tipping Point?’
http://climaticidechronicles.org/2008/12/07/remarkable-change-in-arctic-atmospheric-circulation-has-a-tipping-point-been-passed/
Cosmos,
It’s farkin coooollllldddd!!!!!!
“In the case of Arctic Sea ice, we have already reached the point of no return,” [emphasis--JR] says the prominent American climate researcher James Hansen, director of the Goddard Institute for Space Studies at NASA.
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Well that settles it!
No point in trying to stop it!
So Cosmos,
What is the word on the street? How long do we have before mankind burns, starves, or drowns out?
Seriously.
“I quit going to the D.U. I always felt like a needed a shower after leaving there.”
Oh yeah, heckie. I understand. It’s how I feel EVERY time I click your townhall/malkin links…
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ANTI
Posted December 9, 2008 at 1:28 pm | Permalink
So Cosmos,
What is the word on the street? How long do we have before mankind burns, starves, or drowns out?
Seriously.
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If we only pay more carbon taxes and buy carbon credits, all this will go away like magic.
(spreads magic dust)
Phantom
Posted December 9, 2008 at 11:51 am | Permalink
The charge about pressure being applied on the Tribune to fire certain editors, put me in mind of our recent liberal editors and cartoonist being dismissed.
Did the Eagle succumb to external political or businessmen pressure?
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I think the murderous competition the print media is getting from the internet is more of the problem. Not only for the Eagle, but I heard yesterday on NPR that the Chicago Tribune (who also own the Chicago Cubs) declared bankruptcy recently.
Great link, FarmGrrl.
Very amusing.
It’s good to see the CONs stimulating the economy by purchasing and stockpiling guns and ammo . . .
It’s good to see the CONs stimulating the economy by purchasing and stockpiling guns and ammo . . .
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What are you libs doing to help the economy? Buying more sprouts and tofu?
“The guy’s not even president yet, and he’s already impacting the markets, nice Obama rally going on. Bush needs to step out of the way and say he’ll spend his remaining term back at crawford!”
What has happened to the “Obama rally” today?
What has happened to the “Obama rally” today?
Perhaps, due to “white out” conditions, the rally has been postponed.
It is worrisome that newspapers are at risk of going under on a national scale. If they do, who will do the investigative journalism?
The internet has its pluses, but uncovering wrong doing is not one of them, if it becomes the main source of information, there will be very little flow of credible information.
I think that the newspaper companies should consider charging internet users some type of subscription price for access to their online sites, and include access to those who subscribe to the print version without additional charge.
You have to expect some profit taking after nearly an eleven day run up in the market.
Obama can only get pre-election credit from me when he speaks out on the economy, or on political appointments.
Not pre-election, but pre-inaugaration.
“I think a call to the school superintendent’s office might get you information about the program.” — janeeyre
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Thanks for the info, janeeyre. I’m not interested in learning more because I know someone who needs the online services, just from a taxpayer perspective. I see how much money is spent on buildings and wonder the scope, enrollment numbers and cost of the online program in USD259.
Did your acquaintance take all classes online through the 259 program? Were those classes sufficient to gain all the knowledge needed to accomplish the GED?
“Sure, bring that claim before a judge about Libby in the Blagojevich case and see how that works for ya.”
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Okay, but I suspect I don’t get to appear in front of judges as often as you seem to.
About one month ago I had to testify in a court case. The hearing was in a small town north of here and on the day of the hearing I was at home. The court graciously allowed me to provide my testimony over a speaker phone. They had to swear me in. They asked me to raise my right hand and agree to the swearing in. I obediently raised my right. Afterward, I thought, ‘man, I could have raised my left hand and they would have not known the difference’. Another one of those lost opportunities to act out and not really hurt anybody. Oh, well…
ANTI posted December 9, 2008 at 1:28 pm
What is the word on the street? How long do we have before mankind burns, starves, or drowns out?
Seriously.
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We will find out later, as our “experiment” on Earth’s climate continues.
What are you libs doing to help the economy? Buying more sprouts and tofu?
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After reading some of the Cons on this blog…lots of booze…;)
After reading some of the Cons on this blog…lots of booze…;)
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What?? Sorry, I blacked out there for a minute, what were you saying?
“If we only pay more carbon taxes and buy carbon credits, all this will go away like magic.
(spreads magic dust)”
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You forgot the part about bowing down to the computer models and offering human sacrifices they pick up at the abortion factories.
We will find out later, as our “experiment” on Earth’s climate continues.
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Well, let me know. I need to know when I should dig up my savings and head to sin city!
“What are you libs doing to help the economy? Buying more sprouts and tofu?”
I think the plan is to strengthen the economic power and well being of the middle class American families whose hard work and spending drives this economy.
Clearly the policy of paving the path of well-off with more gold has not worked out so well.
Is making snotty remarks against “libs” YOUR plan?
Is making snotty remarks against “libs” YOUR plan?
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No, is bailing out companies/banks who make horrible business decisions YOUR plan?
DavidB, I don’t remember you saying anything about Capn’A’s comments.
ANTI
What is it you ANTI against?
No, is bailing out companies/banks who make horrible business decisions YOUR plan?
Although the Democrats have acquiesced the Nationalization PLAN belongs 100% to George Bush.
Although the Democrats have acquiesced the Nationalization PLAN belongs 100% to George Bush.
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How do you figure. You don’t think the majority of democrats and a few republicans have any responsibility?
Pelosi gets moist every time she mentions ‘bailout’. Don’t tell me you’re that blind, Ben.
donndublin posted December 9, 2008 at 2:37 pm
You forgot the part about bowing down to the computer models. . .
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donndublin bows down to non-scientific nonsense, like old, bogus petitions that say “catastrophic heating” and “foreseeable future”.
It’s going to get better when all the foxes that bush appointed to guard the hen houses are replaced with competent people.
Or, maybe not, because then the extent of their incompetence will get revealed.
What?? Sorry, I blacked out there for a minute, what were you saying?
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Some of the Cons on here drive me to drink! Well at least that is my excuse today. lol
Some of the Cons on here drive me to drink! Well at least that is my excuse today. lol
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Enjoy, it’s a good day for it…Unfortunately I have things to do today that require superb alertness. :(
My, my, my —- Good ol’ Hannity, who lied pathogenically about comments made by Deepak Chopra on his show last nite…. NOW is arm flailing excessively attempting to connect Gov. Blago’s illegalities to Obama…. Even Rush couldnt make a connection (but he did try) I hoope somebody shuts Hannity up for good some day…. like the way they took Drudge off…. (IOW, still living)
My ex-wife drove me to drink.
That’s the only thing I’m indebted to her for.
I hoope somebody shuts Hannity up for good some day
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Yeah! Cause’ freedom of speech sucks!!
‘Obama says climate change a matter of national security‘
http://uk.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUKTRE4B86R920081209
You like Free Speech??? Go for it sunshine…. that doesnt mean that anybody has to LISTEN to it, or sanction it!!!
Carry on with your usual ANTI American posts…
Cosmos, I think we are killing each other off just fine. Global warming will show up too late to exterminate mankind.
Just my opinion. I’m no ’scientist’, but I can play a sick beat on my chew can.
Chas
Posted December 9, 2008 at 3:26 pm | Permalink
You like Free Speech??? Go for it sunshine…. that doesnt mean that anybody has to LISTEN to it, or sanction it!!!
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Turn the dial, dumb ass!
ANTI posted December 9, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Yeah! Cause’ freedom of speech sucks!!
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No. . . misrepresenting what other people said sucks!!
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/12/open-thread-129-2/#comment-481360
misrepresenting what other people said sucks!!
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Yes it does and it happens on both sides.
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA – December 8, 2008 (OWSweather.com) Rare 50 year Arctic Blast Sets Sights On Southern California.
With a week away, and a sure sign of things to come, OWSweather.com is making preparations on the server to handle the traffic from this next event. UJEAS is in line with the majority if not all the other models in keeping a near historical arctic air mass into the Southern California region.
With a warm November, Southern California is finally ready for cold storms to make their way in. Resort level snow will be likely next week, and in pretty hefty amounts if things stay on track. OWSweather.com Meteorologist Kevin Martin predicts a 50 year event. While Martin is usually conservative on these events, the pattern highly favors it.
“We are in a pre-1950 type pattern, “said Martin. “We know we are due for a winter storm sometime this year. The type we may be dealing with will be ranked up there with the known years before 1950, which set record low daytime temperatures into the forecast region. With this, may come low elevation snow.”
Forecaster Cameron Venable is seeing very cold temperatures in the Los Angeles areas as well. Torrance is not usually known for winter weather, thus making this an interesting event for Venable to track.
“Temperatures in Siberia, Russia will be -81 degrees this week, “said Martin. “With those type of temperatures the arctic air mass has to spill somewhere. Our answer of the exact track will become more clear this week. All residents in the mountain communities should prepare this week for very cold, winter weather, with snow.”
Indications are a second, colder storm could hit near the 18th-22nd time-frame. The details on that will have to be sorted out.
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-81 in Siberia. Baby it’s cold outside.
http://www.owsweather.com/pr120808a.html
No matter what the climate is, the weather in Wichita today left some dangerous stuff on our streets. I was out this afternoon and the streets were a mess. If you are at work and will be driving home at the same time everyone else in the city is out, please be careful. Some won’t be as careful as they should, so you’ll need to be careful for yourself and them!
Don’t forget local weather conditions does not relate to global climate…
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DavosRancheros
Posted December 9, 2008 at 3:43 pm | Permalink
Don’t forget local weather conditions does not relate to global climate…
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Okay, let’s not count all that weather in the past…
tropical zones (dinosaurs and fishes)
ice age (many weather patterns of cold)
And don’t forget the glaciers in Kansas thousands of years ago. Yeah, climate doesn’t change naturally, must be man’s fault…
Everyone always about weather in these global warming discussions. I don’t often pay attention to that…I leave that to climate scientists.
Nobody really talks about ocean acidification, though.
I wonder if I should start jumping in, or just stick to trying to prove evolution?
Nobody really talks about ocean acidification, though
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Tell the Samoans to stop pissing in the ocean.
Actually Tara, acidification IS being discussed a lot. And it is not a pretty picture.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070217-acid-oceans.html
Acid Oceans Threatening Marine Food Chain, Experts Warn
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Wahine_Tara
Posted December 9, 2008 at 4:13 pm | Permalink
Everyone always about weather in these global warming discussions. I don’t often pay attention to that…I leave that to climate scientists.
Nobody really talks about ocean acidification, though.
I wonder if I should start jumping in, or just stick to trying to prove evolution?
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So have all the fishes floated to the top?
The problem with measurements is they measure a specific area, which is susceptible to under currents, geology, wind and type of fauna/flora present.
Nothing to prove with evolution…personally I like the God story.
But if you wish to be derived from lower life forms, be my guest. :D
Just don’t expect a banana from me.
Regular posted December 9, 2008 at 3:59 pm
And don’t forget the glaciers in Kansas thousands of years ago. Yeah, climate doesn’t change naturally, must be man’s fault…
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Nobody is forgetting it.
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
Chapter 6 Palaeoclimate
But most people are intelligent enough to understand that natural climate changes in the past does NOT prove that humans can’t also change the climate.
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cosmos_originally
Posted December 9, 2008 at 4:19 pm | Permalink
But most people are intelligent enough to understand that natural climate changes in the past does NOT prove that humans can’t also change the climate.
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Natural climate change is greater than anything man can effect with the exception of an all out nuclear war.
Wouldn’t be impressive living conditions if that happened anyway.
Regular, you beat me to it!
I meant no one on this blog really discusses it…maybe it’s just a natural consequence of being landlocked!
But first, does the other side say acidification which prevents the formation of CaCO3 is NOT happening, or that it it happening but it’s a normal cyclical thing and it’s not a huge deal if the coral reefs die off?
I’ll be patient. Proceed with the googling to find your talking points. It’s only noon thirty here.
I meant no one on this blog really discusses it…maybe it’s just a natural consequence of being landlocked!
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BINGO. Oceans just don’t come up in conversation much around here.
I’ve already studied up on coral reefs. There are many reasons for them to go dormant, die off and generally transition to another phase.
Is it your opinion that the ocean floor is static and never changes? A coral reef in one place is the only place it can grow and there was never every another coral reef at another location before it died off?
Evidence states other wise. Coral reefs have been growing/dieing off since the beginning of oceans.
May I remind you that most of the earth was under water at one time. What happened to those coral reefs?
Regular posted December 9, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Natural climate change is greater than anything man can effect with the exception of an all out nuclear war.
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And nature will amplify the human-caused warming — loss of Arctic sea ice, less snow/ice cover, release of GHG’s from thawing permafrost, higher water vapour levels, etc.
cosmos and the spit in the ocean theory.
Climate change is a total system, not dependent on one gas, especially from man. What a doofus.
I’m really surprised anyone is foolish enough to argue that there is no global warming or that it is not influenced by humans.
We’ve ALMOST reached the point where you can’t do much but point at such folk and laugh.
Let’s get some common premises established, since you have studied coral reefs, Reg.
1) An increase in CO2 absorption by the ocean results in acidification: CO2 + H2O H2CO3 H+ + HCO3- 2H+ + CO32-
2) Calcium carbonate formation is inhibited by lower pH, and a low enough pH actually causes dissolution of CaCO3.
Are we in agreement on just those two statements?
Regular posted December 9, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Climate change is a total system, not dependent on one gas, especially from man. What a doofus.
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I didn’t say it was “dependent on one gas”, and my point was climate is a multi-factored system.
Regular, is your recent stroke causing you problems?
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BlueJay
Posted December 9, 2008 at 4:57 pm | Permalink
I’m really surprised anyone is foolish enough to argue that there is no global warming or that it is not influenced by humans.
We’ve ALMOST reached the point where you can’t do much but point at such folk and laugh.
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Ask yourself this….
Do the people of Kansas and their cars affect rainfall, wind, cold and hot?
How about 30 years of rainfall, wind, cold and hot – I do believe that can be classified into a trend and a collection of trends can be categorized as climate conditions and system.
It still snows in Wichita just as it did 200 years ago when only natives lived here.
The winds still gust on the western portions of Kansas just as it did before anyone lived there in any great number.
Check out some stories on the Spanish here in Kansas during the 1500s and 1600s. Notice any climate change because they were here or any difference between then and now?
Other than more agriculture, more trees and more concrete, the main effects have been from pollution and depletion of resources (water, etc)
You were saying?
Show me the money how man has drastically affected the climate in Kansas.
sorry for some reason by equilibrium. arrows were filtered. Must look like spam. You know the equation, right?
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Wahine_Tara
Posted December 9, 2008 at 5:00 pm | Permalink
Let’s get some common premises established, since you have studied coral reefs, Reg.
1) An increase in CO2 absorption by the ocean results in acidification: CO2 + H2O H2CO3 H+ + HCO3- 2H+ + CO32-
2) Calcium carbonate formation is inhibited by lower pH, and a low enough pH actually causes dissolution of CaCO3.
Are we in agreement on just those two statements?
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Sure, but that’s not the only reason for coral reefs to fail.
You forgot
(1) Pollution
(2) Dredging
(3) Beach erosion, man-made or natural
(4) Deepening water troughs (some coral literally drown from the water pressure)
(5) Different types of coral reefs (atolls, barriers, isolated groves)
your turn
Also see the 2 links at end of 2nd page.
‘Ocean Acidity Rising at Surprising Pace‘
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/11/25/ocean-acidity.html
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Wahine_Tara
Posted December 9, 2008 at 5:10 pm | Permalink
sorry for some reason by equilibrium. arrows were filtered. Must look like spam. You know the equation, right?
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Don’t worry about annotation, I can muddle through it. This blog is text base and quite dumb when it comes to annotating.
Nah, that’s definitely not the only reasons coral reefs fail. Have you ever seen competing species of coral fight to the death on the Discovery Channel? It’s b*tching! Not to mention that increased nutrients and other factors can can cause algae overgrowth, smothering corals and killing them.
So I agree with you, I just wanted to make sure we started from the same basic premises about how pH affects calcification. Makes arguing much easier.
I will be back with more, but I have a test to proctor in 12 minutes!
I’m serious, I’m through with crazy.
Let’s focus on this guys’ crazy for a bit.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7a03e5b6-c541-11dd-b516-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1
It’s not that Mr. Hannity’s speaks. It’s just that he LIES SO GAWDAM MUCH.
Why one Gawds Green Earth is he given a platform to lie from so loudly?
I am in favor of free speech, bu I am opposed to lies and distortions, even as we protect his right to lie and distort.
Try this experiment at home to test carbon dioxide dangers.
Step one: Have a friend or your spouse standing by to observe.
Step two: Tightly tie a plastic bag over your head.
Please report your findings here….
It’s official.
Billo IS getting out of rant radio.
Fairness Doctrine comin’ baby!
lindaink,
I don’t remember all the particulars, but he did earn his GED after turning in class work & passing tests in algebra, English, and some other required subjects. I think he was schooled on-line for either 2 or 3 years to accomplish that.
Tara – perhaps the most significant aspect of ocean pH is the effect on phytoplankton. Primary productivity in the oceans is decreasing. This has two implications: less food at the bottom of the food web and less fixation of CO2 back to organic carbon.
“Billo IS getting out of rant radio.
Fairness Doctrine comin’ baby!”
The idiot O’Reilly couldn’t compete in the time slot he was in (against Rush). The market works.
In fact, it works so well, LibRadio dies against the right thinkers. “Fairness” doctrine.
Typical LibWorld talk.
Dec 8, Sean Hannity stated that under President George W. Bush, “We created 10 million new jobs, lower unemployment than in the last four decades’ average.”
In fact, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the United States has gained 2,866,000 net private-sector jobs between 2001, when Bush took office, and the first quarter of 2008. -mediamatters
Free lies! Get ‘em while they last!
AND alan colmes has decided to pursue something else (his self respect maybe?) and is leaving Sean Hannity to wither and die against Rachel Maddow.
Good times.
If you’re not a con.
cosmos_originally
Posted December 9, 2008 at 5:06 pm | Permalink
I didn’t say it was “dependent on one gas”, and my point was climate is a multi-factored system.
Regular, is your recent stroke causing you problems?
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Just ignore him Reg. He’s been drinking that kool-aide that Algore and his computer models serve him. His sources always reference these false prophet models. You will find statements like;
“But the trend was not entirely predictable.”
I wouldn’t respond to his comments if I were you.
“mediamatters”
Media Matters for America describes itself as “a web-based, not-for-profit, progressive research and information center
Progressive? What is it with you people? Talk about free lies.
“…and is leaving Sean Hannity to wither and die against Rachel Maddow.”
She has nowhere near the numbers he has.
Hope too much? Keep it real, my brother.
Yes, mediamatters. Beat up the messenger, if it makes you happy. What about the FACTS?
1) Hannity claims 10,000,000 new jobs under his Bush.
2) Bureau of Labor Statistics reports 2,866,000 new jobs.
And YOU rag on mediamatters???????? Whahahahahahahahahh!
donndublin posted December 9, 2008 at 6:08 pm
I wouldn’t respond to his comments if I were you.
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Regular can’t respond, because my comments were accurate.
I did not say it was “dependent on one gas”, and my point was climate is a multi-factored system.
What is it with you people? When the facts don’t support your bias, disregard the facts and attack “progressives.” How shallow. How dishonest. How terribly self-deceiving.
At least Hannity has your back….
When Dan Rather aired stories about G. W. Bush’s National Guard service with questionable soourcing, be was axed.
Hannity lies his bleeding ass off every night… demonstrably and provable. Media Matter simply documents the lies and distortions… What is it with you guys? LOL!!!
Here is a sampling of people who got Barry elected in the last election.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/013117.html
‘40 Years of The Mouse: A Guided Tour’
http://www.gearlog.com/2008/12/40_years_of_the_mouse_a_guided.php
Looks like that marine pilot killed 4 on the ground including the 15 month old baby.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081209/ap_on_re_us/military_jet_crash
Yea – but he saved his own skin by abandoning the jet – AFTER bringing it back over land from the ocean.
“The governor’s strange behavior has been fertile ground for local armchair psychologists. Last summer, the downstate newspaper the Peoria Journal Star declared that the governor was “going bonkers.” Privately, a few people who know the governor describe him as a “sociopath,” and they insist they’re not using hyperbole. State representative Joe Lyons, a fellow Democrat from Chicago, told reporters that Blagojevich was a “madman” and “insane.” “He shows absolutely no remorse,” says Jack Franks, the Democratic state representative. “I don’t think he gives a damn about anybody else’s feelings. He tries to demonize people who disagree with him; he’s got delusions of grandeur.”
-http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/February-2008/Mr-Un-Popularity/index.php?cp=7&si=6#artanc
“Yea – but he saved his own skin by abandoning the jet – AFTER bringing it back over land from the ocean.”
I’d say that rates a court martial.
Re: ocean acidification
Actually, Ben, i don’t feel too pessimistic about phytoplankton and decreased primary production. i do worry about the symbiotic dinoflagellates that live within corals–they are very specific to each type of coral, so not any dinoflag will do, that’s another thread–but for the most part i feel that the bulk of diatoms, cyanos and dinoflags that make up the phytoplankton community won’t be going anywhere for a long while. They are decreasing due to warmer ocean temperatures, but they are more likely to quickly recuperate and adapt compared to other economically and ecologically significant creatures such as…calcified organisms!
What i was getting at with regular is that we specifically need to look at the pH-calcification link. An increase in acidity will absolutely no doubt cause dissolution of calcifying organisms such as corals, coralline algae and calcified inverts. There is just no way of explaning away that chemical equilibrium relationship to dispute this. More c02 in the ocean=lower pH. and lower pH=less calcium carbonate.
Before I go on, I would just like confirmation that, short of a new mutation that allows ALL calcified organisms to evolve a new way of building shells and structures that is not affected by pH (HINT:not likely), calcified organims are will be forced to live in a smaller and smaller zone of the correct pH if the ocean becomes more acidic, or are otherwise doomed.
I’m not making any statement on whether this is happening or not, i just want to confirm we’re all on the same page in the previous paragraph…
Ben, I neglected to read the last part of your statement. You are definitely correct that a decrease in photosynthetic activity in the ocean will cause less carbon fixation in the atmosphere. This is significant and relative to my point, as I’ll explain later.
However, i don’t worry too much about the “not enough food for the bottom feeders” at the moment.
Why this totally false statement, now seen here at least twice, that Hannity is in the same time slot as Limbaugh??
Hannity comes on for three hours… AFTER Rush pollutes the airwaves for three hours!!
Hannity comes on for three hours… AFTER Rush pollutes the airwaves for three hours!!
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And yet Chas and BlueJay listen to all 6 hours worth!
Turn the dial if you don’t like it, dumb asses.
Well,
That is locally Chas. It may BE that Billo does his show live at the same time as Rush and we get it on tape delay. I know this is true with the troll Mark Levin who airs at the same time as the kook Michael the Savage weiner and then Levin is played later.
I’m just glad to see the air let out of Billo.
“Turn the dial if you don’t like it”
I DO like it auntie.
I know what half the cons here are gonna say before they say it.
But, SOME of them might think more intelligently if they were presented with a balanced format.
Fairness Doctrine baby!
BlueJay, you listen to more right wing radio than right wingers.
You sadistic bastard.
good night; good luck; god bless —-
whatever you conceive god to be!!
blessings ALL!!
blessings on truth in broadcasting(hey,its hope)!!
so mote it be!!
damn, this time difference sucks. i’m always a day late (though not a dollar short, i think)
BlueJay,
You are like a guy who claims to be straight but watches 6 hours of gay porn a day….To keep one step ‘ahead’ of the gays…..
Just doesn’t add up…
Looks like the surge has been such a success that Britan is going to pull 90% of their 4000 troops by mid 2009. That’ll leave a coalition of one.
DavidB
Posted December 9, 2008 at 6:07 pm | Permalink
Dec 8, Sean Hannity stated that under President George W. Bush, “We created 10 million new jobs, lower unemployment than in the last four decades’ average.”
In fact, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the United States has gained 2,866,000 net private-sector jobs between 2001, when Bush took office, and the first quarter of 2008. -mediamatters
Free lies! Get ‘em while they last!
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Better checkthe source documents and NOT MEDIA MATTERS.
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.compaeu.txt
2008 not shown, but
Jan 2000 all nonfarm employees 128,763,000
Dec 2007 all nonfarm employess 138,973,000
Difference 10,210,000
Oops.
littlejohn posted December 9, 2008 at 11:35 pm
Better checkthe source documents and NOT MEDIA MATTERS.
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Better learn the meaning of “net private-sector jobs”.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200812090014?f=h_latest
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), the United States has gained 2,866,000 net private-sector jobs [link] between 2001, when President George W. Bush took office, and the first quarter of 2008.
[link] = http://www.bls.gov/news.release/cewbd.t01.htm
I iunderstand perfecdtly what NET means.
I see nothing in the BLS statistics that indicate anything like what Media Matters wants to say.
Again, non farm employees rose by 10,000,000 from 2001 to 2007. Unless, I guess you want to try and say 8 million jobs have been lost in 2008?
Total private employees rose also. By around 7,000,000 jobs.
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.compaeu.txt
I guess yo mean to say that even though the number of employees rose by 10 million, it really was only by 2,000,00 because some 8 million lost their jobs—not indicated by any of the tables.
whatever
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