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At first Christians whined for equal time because there was a menorah at the Capitol. So when the Atheists say they should be given the same rights as the Christians and place a sign alongside their nativity scene the Christians can’t tolerate it and must censor the Atheists. If there’s one thing the business of religion can’t stand, is competition.
Missing atheist sign found in Washington state
An atheist sign criticizing Christianity that was erected alongside a Nativity scene was taken from the Legislative Building in Olympia, Washington, on Friday and later found in a ditch.
An employee from country radio station KMPS-FM in Seattle told CNN the sign was dropped off at the station by someone who found it in a ditch.
“I thought it would be safe,” Freedom From Religion Foundation co-founder Annie Laurie Gaylor told CNN earlier Friday. “It’s always a shock when your sign is censored or stolen or mutilated. It’s not something you get used to.”
The sign, which celebrates the winter solstice, has had some residents and Christian organizations calling atheists Scrooges because they said it was attacking the celebration of Jesus Christ’s birth.
“Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds,” the sign from the Freedom From Religion Foundation says in part.
More at:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/12/05/atheists.christmas/index.html
Good news, five terrorists were indicted for their crime of slaughtering 17 unarmed civilians.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/5_Blackwater_guards_charged_for_Iraq_1205.html
One major government official caught on tape doing what, according to Fox News, is a terrorist greeting.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Bush_gives_Santa_Claus_fistbump_1205.html
Hey, MP….good morning.
This sounds like a good read for the ol’ morning dump huh?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/06/opinion/06ayers.html?th&emc=th
Read what the infamous Bill Ayers has to say about the election ‘coverage’.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0KxTMZBmiE
BJ, I just ain’t into the boobtube thing.
Old school stuff for me.
We need to teach our kids to put down the laptop & cellphone.
Get information from reading.
The whole world has become a phone booth.
I, for one, do not like that.
Fair enough “RP”
Summarizing my link.
It is required of every man that his spirit travel far. Lending help to those he can. No matter who they are.
But if you don’t go forth in life, spreading joy and easing pain? Your spirit will go forth in death. And you will wear a chain.
“It remains to be seen whether Obama will, in the end, double-cross the leftists who made him their party’s nominee. At this point, however, they can only be dismayed to see their hero praised by Richard Nixon’s Secretary of State.”
chucklesnort
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2008/12/022233.php
After reading some of Biased1 opinions on the Patriotism thread I thought about the subject of fighting those using terrorism. His thoughts seem to have come out of a Cold war thought process. Where the threat is a large organized Army. Their presents are known and easy to track and located, their tanks, trucks and formations of soldiers marching to a fight see their movements.
The reality of those using terrorism is like this: Last summer when you were outside, was there a problem with Mosquitoes? Rarely can you see them coming and often it is only when they have bitten you that you are aware of where they are. They are mobile, small and move without notice. So you went back in the house and grabbed a shotgun right? Went to the garage and got your sledgehammer correct? Both would kill a Mosquito and you rushed around among the others in your yard swinging wildly or firing as fast as you can. Who is more likely to be hit by your efforts to solve the Mosquito problem, the Mosquitoes or the others in the yard? Well there is always the chance that if you hit one of the other people in the yard that there maybe a Mosquito on them and if the other people are in the same yard as the pest then it is their fault if they get hit! But the most important thing is that you have killed that one Mosquito.
And if other get hurt or killed after all it hurt when the Mosquito bites you and they can carry illness so it could even kill you. Therefore it is justified if the others get hurt or killed in your attempt to solve your Mosquito problem right?
Why am I comparing the terrorists to Mosquitoes? Because they are so similar to each other. Al-Qaeda is small. Their size is not one that warrants taking such an overkill effort. You are not as likely to kill them as you are to kill those that are not they. And your pain and suffering is not a justification for killing those whom were the innocent bystanders. No more than the excuse of the child molester who claims he does it because he was molested as a child was. Would you forgive the infliction of pain and suffer if you had nothing to do with someone else’s pain and suffering? Would you say “Oh that’s OK” if you were tortured in an attempt to find the guilty if you were mistaken for the guilty?
Al-Qaeda attacks are localized they are not wide spread like an invasion. It is claimed that Al-Qaeda is spread worldwide. But that is not the case is it? There are similar groups whose ideology is close to each other. But hardly an organized structured effort. One does not have close contact with the others, so it is like thinking that if I kill one Mosquito that it effects all Mosquitoes. Taking out Bin Laden and those around him will not effect those in other countries. Each are their own group and other then some request for funding from Bin Laden he does not have the ability to control their actions. He can effect them only through either he funds their plan or not.
Exactly Writerdog. To expand further.
The key to fighting Islamist terrorists is to drag their ideology into the open, and to make sure that they are not successful in shutting down options for the areas of the world where they are powerful.
One thing that some “liberals” in this country and elsewhere do not understand is that even George W. Bush got some things right, and one thing he got right that several “liberals” here and elsewhere have mocked him for is this: Al Queda and the Taliban do in fact hate us in part for our freedoms. They do NOT want such freedoms (freedom of religion, particularly religious choice; women or religious ethnic minorities with social and political power), and they do fear the populace of their countries embracing the freedoms that are seen in western media and even relatively more liberal societies in their own part of the world. One poster here has posted sympathetically about the Saudi outrage of American troops on their “holy” soil. Bullsh*t. What they don’t like is the presence of people who live lives that much of their own populace would choose over their Wahibbist tribal authoritanianism of they could.
Take the Danish cartoons depicting Mohammad, for instance. It is not outrage that people would do such a thing that engendered the most extreme reactions, it was the idea that there are regions of the world where people could do such a thing and not be punished for it.
Like you said Writerdog, it’s not that we are facing a world wide terrorist network. What we are facing is an ideology that already has the strike against it of being ugly. They know they can’t win a popularity contest, so they use terror to try to force people to “chose us or else” and for other regions of the world to “stay away from us, because we don’t want those who live with us to take what you offer”. They use terror because they have nothing else, and they themselves are terrified. We beat them by holding firm to our principles. When they hit us, we hit them back, and we make sure that they can not hide their people away from the rest of the world. And we treat them like the criminals they are (which is why some of the most effective responses to terrorism has been from law enforcement).
That is how we beat the terrorists.
How we don’t beat them by attacking their neighbors as well as themselves. And we certainly don’t beat them by giving them a propoganda platform by attacking a country that had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks against us and little to do with Islamist terrorism anywhere.
Monkeyhawk, You make a good point about people needing to be at the food bank on their lunch hour. However, there is a rather big difference between Dillon’s and the food bank–Dillon’s has many, many employees so that not all of them go to lunch at one time. The food bank mostly relies on volunteers of which there are a rather limited number compared to a major grocery store. I do hope you realized I was trying to be a bit funny when I posted yesterday.
The ‘jawless fish’ is hoping that 50 caliber words and bomb shell phrases will penetrate the defenses of Islamic fundamentalists.
“The ‘jawless fish’ is hoping that 50 caliber words and bomb shell phrases will penetrate the defenses of Islamic fundamentalists.”
As (almost) always…
Re: Regular
DNFTT
Per Maggotpunk-”Good news, five terrorists were indicted for their crime of slaughtering 17 unarmed civilians”.
I must agree.
True, Pleef although it is unfortunate the lavre doesn’t also gloat when the likes of these meet the same fate.
http://msnbc.com/modules/wtc/wtc_globaldragnet/custody_alqaida.htm
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Demonstrators_pray_Supreme_Court_will_invalidate_1205.html
A small but determined band of conservative protesters gathered outside the Supreme Court Friday morning to pray the justices would invalidate Barack Obama’s election.
The court was deciding whether it would hear oral arguments in Donofrio v. Wells, which argues that Obama’s placement on the New Jersey presidential election ballot was invalid because he is not a natural born citizen. The justices are expected to dismiss the case.
Discussions with several of the 18 demonstrators who gathered despite freezing temperatures revealed disjointed, confusing and increasingly conspiratorial reasons for their presence. Several alleged varying degrees of a coverup to hide the circumstances surrounding Obama’s birth; none were willing to accept the much simpler explanation that Obama was in fact a natural-born citizen eligible to be president.
• BlueJay
Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:31 pm | Permalink
“We can settle this if we come to a meeting of the minds and you believe that I have no other nic(s) on this blog.
I haven’t been blogging that long to have more nics. I’ve been too busy running a business and paying my taxes to support you liberal parasites.”
Yes, well.
In a name shifting and partially faceless forum such as this, the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.
I find your style extremely familiar. You are a poor speller. You quickly descend to very juvenile assaults. You seem to have a particular interest in certain other posters. Odd, if you are a new arrival.
There are two possibilities.
You are a new poster here who has read without posting for an extended time.
You are a long time poster here who has switched nics.
I say it is the latter.
And I’m not known for cutting breaks anyway.
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I’ll just let you believe what you want. That will help protect my anonymity. I certainly don’t want to be personally known by several bomb throwing William Ayers types like you. You’ll never know who I am or where I live. Like I said, I’ve only been blogging for a short time. A friend of mine turned me on to this site. He said it had a lot of left wing loonies who think they own it. My friend has been blogging here for some time. If you want to play “let’s guess who he/she is, I’m sure you will amuse us like you have already.
Let’s just say I’m a licensed professional in the technical field. I’m a private engineering consultant who works for environmental engineers, geologists, and chemists among others. I also work with government agencies like FEMA, DED as well as several state and local municipalities. I have three BS degrees which might explain my weakness in spelling. I cut two many comp 101 courses to work on physics and mathematical problems back when the main computer language was FORTRAN and the computers were as big as a room. We had two terminals for 200 students and we typed IBM cards to feed into a mainframe. Even with such crude technology I was making calculations in physics and math that would make your head implode.
A granny from Oklahoma. lmao
That’s DOD
Agantha writes, “Al Queda and the Taliban do in fact hate us in part for our freedoms. They do NOT want such freedoms (freedom of religion, particularly religious choice; women or religious ethnic minorities with social and political power), and they do fear the populace of their countries embracing the freedoms that are seen in western media and even relatively more liberal societies in their own part of the world. One poster here has posted sympathetically about the Saudi outrage of American troops on their ‘holy’ soil. Bullsh*t.”
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For the record, I have never been sympathetic to the 9-11 attack or any other attack of terrorism against the United States.
The US was invited by the Saudi monarchy (emphasizing monarchy) to put troops there during Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait.
The problem with “they hate us for our freedoms” theory is that
1. This is not what Richard Pape found when he investigated suicide bombings world-wide. Palestine doesn’t hate Israel or Norther Ireland didn’t hate England because of “their freedoms.”
(cf. Dying to Win–The Logic of Sucide Terrorism)
2. If terrorist simply “hate us for our freedoms,” why don’t they attack Sweden. Or Canada. Or Switzerland.
Are those countries “less free” than America?
3. If terrorist “hate us for our freedoms,” why did the attacks begin precisely in 1993? Were we “more free” in 1993 than we were in 1988?
No. We had stationed troops in Arabia in 1991–and we left them there (more precisely then-Sec’ry of War Dick Cheney left them there) after we promised that they would not remain “one day more than necessary.”
This is the true cause for the terror campaign against America that we experienced throughout the 90’s culminating in 9-11-2001.
Whether I’m “sympathetic” to it or not–and of course I’m not–does not change that fact.
Obama’s 27-year-old speechwriter embarrassed by facebook photo.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obamas_27yearold_speechwriter_embarassed_by_facebook_1206.html
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I’m thinkin’ Hillary should be flattered.
If terrorist simply “hate us for our freedoms,” why don’t they attack Sweden. Or Canada. Or Switzerland.
Are those countries “less free” than America?
-America is the leader of the Free World. I don’t know if it is a hate of freedom as much as it is 1) Our support of Israel and 2) The impact our Freedom has had on the world.
No. We had stationed troops in Arabia in 1991–and we left them there (more precisely then-Sec’ry of War Dick Cheney left them there) after we promised that they would not remain “one day more than necessary.”
-Considering Iraq (or Saddam Hussein)violated the cease fire agreement from the original Gulf War almost from Day 1, it is arguable that the it has remained necessary.
donndublin posted December 6, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Let’s just say I’m a licensed professional in the technical field. I’m a private engineering consultant who works for environmental engineers, geologists, and chemists among others. I also work with government agencies like FEMA, DED as well as several state and local municipalities.
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Whatever.
Those people would laugh at your insistence that a vaguely worded mail and online petition signed by NON-scientists = scientific methodology.
HENRY: Santa bailout — too big to fail
Reg Henry
Saturday, December 6, 2008
Santa Claus has applied for a federal bailout of the Christmas industry. Of course it was inevitable. As many others have come to Congress with their large beggars’ cups, it makes sense that the U.S. government should underwrite an enterprise that is the great engine of seasonal commerce.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/06/santa-bailout-too-big-to-fail/
Mr. Kia: Sweden has taken in more Iraqi refugees than all other places combined. Switzerland is a know netural country who still abstains from any military/colonial adventure, and Canada isn’t noticed by anyone anyway. All 3 are independent of the “Israel at all costs” lobby with a more balanced appraisal of the middle East woes, especially in the UN. But, Canada was in the 1st Iraq war and currently have boots on the ground in Afganistan, incurring loss of life, limb and treasure, second only to the US (I think). Which goes back to your point why aren’t they being attacked? Well there were plans to do so, but the RCMP broke up a few cells and charged dozens of homegrown Muslims with plotting terror.
A good read. . .
‘The Global Warming Deniers Are Restless‘
http://www.desmogblog.com/global-warming-deniers-are-restless
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In other words, the deniers are gearing up for yet another fight against reality–this time, political reality as much as scientific reality. Unlike President George W. Bush, who at best played the role of apathetic substitute teacher to the United States, President-elect Obama is preparing to lay down the law. He’s made it clear that our planetary fever will be taken seriously under his watch.”
Well, since the earth is in a ten year cooling period little Barry better hurry and start ’saving the planet’ if thinks he can get credit for it!
Hank posted December 6, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Well, since the earth is in a ten year cooling period little Barry better hurry and start ’saving the planet’ if thinks he can get credit for it!
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Poor Hank can’t even understand the basics of climate science. Why is that?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/dec/05/climate-change-weather
“The global average for 2008 should come in close to 14.3C, which is 0.14C below the average temperature for 2001-07.
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The relatively chilly temperatures compared with recent years are not evidence that global warming is slowing however, say climate scientists at the Met Office. “Absolutely not,” said Dr Peter Stott, the manager of understanding and attributing climate change at the Met Office’s Hadley Centre. “If we are going to understand climate change we need to look at long-term trends.”
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The Met Office predicted at the beginning of the year that 2008 would be cooler than recent years because of a La Niña event – characterised by unusually cold ocean temperatures in the equatorial Pacific Ocean. It is the mirror image of the El Niño climate cycle. The Met Office had forecast an annual global average of 14.37C.”
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“I cut two many comp 101 courses to work on physics and mathematical problems back when the main computer language was FORTRAN and the computers were as big as a room. We had two terminals for 200 students and we typed IBM cards to feed into a mainframe.”
Well, now that’s interesting. I dont care enough to go back and look it up, but didnt this bozo say last week that he was thirty two years old and had some problems that kept him from serving in the military?
Heheheh. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
I think it’s grmie’s husband. But like I said, I dont care enough to search it.
An asshat is an asshat.
“leftists who made him their party’s nominee”
As usual, heckie has it all wrong.
The “leftists” were voting for Dennis and Cynthia. Not obama. He’s a “centrist” DLCer all the way. The “leftists” probably voted for obama over mcsame, but they are HARDLY the ones who “made him their party’s nominee”.
Do try to keep up.
“I’ll just let you believe what you want. ”
I don’t believe I asked for permission.
Let’s put it this way.
At the very least, you come across VERY much like a cranky old granny who exploits prisoners for a living, has a rather dull wit and is prone to showing just how smart she really isn’t.
“…little Barry…” — HLP
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The main stands head and shoulders above you AND he is about a foot taller!
“As usual, heckie has it all wrong.” — KFG
LOL he always does, KFG!!
*main = man
Wonder if that has a significance beyond I can’t type?
“At the very least, you come across VERY much like a cranky old granny who exploits prisoners for a living, has a rather dull wit and is prone to showing just how smart she really isn’t.”
Dont forget an obsession with “the gay” and a fanatical devotion to religion.
“You’ll never know who I am or where I live.”
Hehehe. Funny, tippy used to say the same thing.
KFG, I’m thinking ICTisInferior was the 32-year-old, but I could be wrong.
So, “DonDublin,” Mr. Engineer:
Let W be a weight suspended from a ceiling by three strings of length L so that the points of attachment form an equilateral triangle of side S. If the weights of the various strings are negligible, then the tension T in the three strings is given by
T = W
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3 * sqrt(1-S²/3L²)
Show that for fixed values of S and L, T is an increasing function of W.
Shoudl be a piece o’ cake for you!
P.S. Screwed up the formatting. The T, of course, is not in the numerator!
I laughed when I read this at kansascity.com — the state is screwed up! Here are some snips, but the whole piece is worth reading — you’ll laugh to keep from crying.
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“Not talking about the Chiefs,” he snapped. “I’m talking about Mark Funkhouser and his wife, what’s-her-name, Splittiro.”
“It’s Squitiro.”
“But it’s far less embarrassing, as Johnson Countians can tell you, than when your district attorney is chastised by the state supreme court for “inexcusable” behavior in a criminal case.
Or known widely, as Topeka still is, as being home to a pack of hyenas who picket military funerals. Or known, as Kansas is, as the place where evolution was put on trial as recently as this decade.
We’re more than just the home to some mighty fantastic barbecue joints and some mighty lousy sports franchises.
We’ve got this quirky mayor who loves his wife so much that he’d fight City Hall for the right to keep her by his side at all times.
And while some maintain the furor over the couple is a needless distraction, I’m not so sure about the “needless” part.
The way things are in today’s economy, any distraction from the really bad news out there is a distraction worth having.”
http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/15939
Oh yeah, Rage, you are correct. It was the death wish poster.
Sorry. You know all those wingnuts sound alike!
Hey Farmgirl,
Do you have a problem with varmits getting your chickens?
The Friday after Thanksgiving something got into my pen and got a duck. I think I figured out how i got in and I’ve fixed it.
I’ve been setting live traps and I’ve got four leg traps I’ve been baiting each night. Last Sunday I caught a skunk and he’s gone to skunk heaven.
Last Thursday I caught a juvenile raccoon in a live trap and he promised all he wanted was an egg now and then so I took him about five miles away and let him go.
Last night I caught something in a live trap and he destroyed it and left! I don’t have a clue as to what it was, but I’m now taking my .45 when I check traps instead of my .22!
Just wondering if you had similar problems or suggestions. Ducks are on every thing’s menu!
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HLP
Posted December 6, 2008 at 8:26 pm | Permalink
Last night I caught something in a live trap and he destroyed it and left! I don’t have a clue as to what it was, but I’m now taking my .45 when I check traps instead of my .22!
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That was the Wichita Wombat (genus: Trapes Destrustus). Yer gonna need XXX to take it out.
Hey JM,
I may need some backup! I got kind of a weird feeling when I found that trap empty and torn up.
Angry laid-off workers occupy factory in Chicago
11 hours ago
CHICAGO (AP) — Workers laid off from their jobs at a Chicago factory have occupied the building and are demanding assurances they’ll get severance and vacation pay that they say they are owed.
About 200 employees of Republic Windows and Doors began staging the sit-in in shifts this week after learning the plant was closing Friday.
Leah Fried (LAY’-uh FREED’), an organizer with the United Electrical Workers, says Republic failed to give 60 days’ notice required by law.
Chicago police spokeswoman Laura Kubiak says police are aware of the situation and are patrolling the area.
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Finally, workers in “the richest country in the world” decide that they may deserve part of that wealth too.
lindainks55, I read your post & checked out the KC Star about the Funks. But, I’ve not heard or read about what the various supposedly embarrassing situations have been–since the WE is a sister paper to the Star, I’m surprised that it hasn’t published much if anything at all about this.
Leg traps are downright cruel and inhumane. There are far better ways.
Maybe you’ll step into one.
DonD makes statements that sound very familiar to someone who posts on my local forum.
Leg traps are downright cruel and inhumane.
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You’re right, of course. That’s why I check them often and kill what ever I find right away.
If I stepped in one, it probably wouldn’t even hurt, they’re critter size. But thanks for the warm, fuzzy thoughts.
You’re up in the middle of the night to check your traps? I doubt it. That’s a long time for them to be in a trap.
Hank, the other day I heard thaat there might be some cougars prowling around the area again… One of those could tear up a trap pretty good…
You make a good point, “Chas” –
Them kitties is back and them kitties is mean.
Try to insult them with a trap… hell, a cougar probably ripped into it to eat the raccoon HLP caught.
“Last night I caught something in a live trap and he destroyed it and left!”
Maybe your trap was destroyed by a more compassionate person.
I note that Hank says he uses live traps. And it is commendable that he released a juvenile raccoon. IF he did.
In my final years at Raytheon Aircraft, the company paid trappers to come in and “live trap” cats.
Of course, the cats were then taken live to be destroyed. This was in defiance after her death of Mrs. Beech’s standing order to leave these semi-feral cats alone. As they kept down the rodent population?
I freed more than a few cats and destroyed more than a few traps in my travels.
I wonder what the trapping contractors made of one of their traps run over by a fork lift?
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Chas
Posted December 7, 2008 at 12:03 am | Permalink
Hank, the other day I heard thaat there might be some cougars prowling around the area again… One of those could tear up a trap pretty good…
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I heard that rumor too. I saw a cougar near Yoder a few years ago. I might need bigger traps!
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Political_mama
Posted December 6, 2008 at 11:54 pm | Permalink
You’re up in the middle of the night to check your traps? I doubt it. That’s a long time for them to be in a trap.
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Well no, not really. I get up and go check on my ducks. In fact, I just got back. Got a ‘possum in one of the live traps.
I’ll leave it over there and see if I bait in a cougar!
I have goats. Little nanny Bohr goats. I would imagine if we had a cougar problem I would lose one of them.
What ever tore up my trap tore it up from the inside out.
You can get one of those ‘trail cameras’ rather inexpensively. I might buy one of those to record the nocturnal ‘critter’ activity at the duck enclosure.
Hank, no, I havent had any varmint problems. I have lots of wildlife here, particularly racoons and badgers and possums, but nothing has broken into the chicken house.
yet
I have nice tight buildings and pens, but nothing is ‘coon proof.
They seem to like the corn here better than the chickens. That’s why I dont grow sweet corn in the garden anymore. I’m tired of it going to the ‘coons every year. Same thing with the popcorn I grew.
Living along a creek just makes it worse.
And the pup is no help. Last night, the damn CATS had her pinned into a corner of the yard. She’s a lover not a fighter.
Come to think of it, I saw one of the cats slinking around the hen house last night. The girls are probably in more danger from the freakin’ cats than anything else.
It could be that “Big” the giant Tom I have, keeps the wildlife away. Big is the one who keeps rabbit on the shelf in my blacksmith shop. Ya know, just in case he wants to treat one of his many ladies to dinner…
Heheheh. A friend of mine out here says the ‘coons carry tin snips under the bellies. Ya know, just in case they need to get in through the roof…
And I have bobcats too. No big cats though, but every year I see a Mama bobcat and a couple of little ones just up the creek from my house.
I wonder what Summer will think of THEM this spring? Heheheh. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
kfg,
Serious question:
What kind, breed, of chickens do you raise?
Do you raise them primarily for eggs or meat or both.
I actually think the birds are kind of interesting, many quite pretty. I raise pet chickens when I was a kid, in town. We ate the eggs until some feral cats got them. I got one of the feral cats with a bow and arrow….got him real good when he turned to hiss hat me.