Open thread 12/5

251 Comments

  1. Maggotpunk
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 6:04 am | Permalink

    Yup, science reveals more information about our world’s past. On the other front creationists ponder whether this is the type of 5,000 year old dinosaur Noah flew on to get to Home Depot for boat supplies.

    New Giant Toothless Pterosaur Species Discovered

    ScienceDaily (Dec. 3, 2008) — A researcher at the University of Portsmouth has identified a new species of pterosaur, the largest of its kind to ever be found. It represents an entirely new genus of these flying reptiles that ruled the skies 115 million years ago.

    The finding is significant because it originated in Brazil and is the only example of the Chaoyangopteridae, a group of toothless pterosaurs, to be found outside China and is the largest one ever discovered.

    Mark Witton identified the creature from a partial skull fossil from which he was able to estimate that it would have had a five-metre wingspan – bigger than a family car – and would stand over one metre tall at the shoulder.

    He said: “Some of the previous examples we have from this family in China are just 60 centimetres long – as big as the skull of the new species. Put simply, it dwarfs any chaoyangopterid we’ve seen before by miles.”

    More real science at:
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081203084524.htm

  2. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 6:13 am | Permalink

    An interesting take on Kentucky’s Creation Museum –

    http://canopycanopycanopy.com/4/specters_of_a_young_earth

  3. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 6:28 am | Permalink

    The future of the Republic Party –

    Bob Cesca comments –

    “…right now, we have several contenders for this post. There’s “Sister Sarah” (a nickname I don’t quite understand). There’s the twice divorced former House Speaker Newt Gingrich. There’s Bobby Jindal, the far-right governor of Louisiana. And Tuesday, we learned that Jeb Bush might be running for Senate and thus throwing his gigantic hat into the fight for the future of the party.

    How screwed are the Republicans right now? Put it this way: the sanest contender in the above list is named “Bush.” Yes, Bush: a name that proved to be even less popular this year than the name “Hussein.” Yet there he is front and center.

    Full piece here:

    http://tinyurl.com/6o6gu5

  4. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 6:46 am | Permalink

    Too good not to quote –

    “At a time of great crisis with mortgage foreclosures and autos, [Obama] says we only have one president at a time. I’m afraid that overstates the number of presidents we have. He’s got to remedy that situation.”

    – Barney Frank

  5. beber
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    At a time of great crisis with mortgage foreclosures and autos, [Obama] says we only have one president at a time. I’m afraid that overstates the number of presidents we have. He’s got to remedy that situation.” — Mr. Frank.

    Great quote.

  6. beber
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 6:58 am | Permalink

    What do you bet that the Supreme Court will vote 5-4 that because Obama’s father held dual citizenship, Obama is not eligible for the Presidency? Clarence Thomas seems to have signed on.

  7. Mary_Caruso
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 7:15 am | Permalink

    Obama is the pres….I don’t think it matters where his parents came from or whether or not they were US citizens.

  8. beber
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 7:26 am | Permalink

    The Supreme Court will hear a petition on the matter soon Mary Caruso. David Souter rejected the petition; Thomas accepted it. The teevee pundits are considering the move laughable, but I don’t know, given the make up of the court. At least it would expose the court as blatantly political, and would in my opinion give grounds for impeachment. I’m not really taking the matter seriously at this time, but given the desperation of the Pukes, I wouldn’t be overly surprised if it actually happened.

  9. beber
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 7:29 am | Permalink

    I also suspect they only way the petition could have been resubmitted is with the connivance of the chief justice.

    http://www.afro.com/tabid/456/itemid/2273/Thomas-breaks-custom-forces-court-to-look-at-Obam.aspx

  10. BlueJay
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    Billo leaving radio.

    He musta heard the footsteps of the Fairness Doctrine approaching.

    One down. Several to go.

    http://www.rbr.com/radio/11651.html

  11. beber
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 8:07 am | Permalink

    500,000 jobs lost. 200,000 more in the last two months than reported. Happy Cons?

  12. outlander
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    No. Are you happy moron?

  13. donndublin
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 8:18 am | Permalink

    It’s time we made this an equal “opportunity” blog. So today we need a gay joke.

    One day these three lesbians die and go to hell.

    The devil comes to the first one and asks, “How many times have you cheated on your lover?” The lesbian answers, “Once.” The devil then gives her the keys to a Ferrari and says, “Go drive around hell.”

    The devil then asks the second lesbian, “How many times have you cheated on your lover?” She answers, “Three.” So the angel gives her the keys to an ordinary Toyota and says, “Go drive around hell.”

    The same question is asked of the third lesbian and she says, “Eight times.” The angel gives her the keys to a beat-up Yugo.

    After the day is over the three lesbians meet up and the one in the Ferrari is crying her eyes out. The others ask her what’s wrong.

    She says, “I just saw my lover. She was riding a tricycle!”

  14. BlueJay
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    In any nic, you demonstrate a decided lack of class, ksgrm.

    I find it fairly easy to see you in the role of exploiting prisoners for fun and money.

    I am somewhat harder pressed to imagine you as a grandmother.

    “Look kids. Granny gonna show you how to properly torture small animals.”

  15. Boxlock20
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    Proposed fee on smelly cows, hogs angers farmers

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081205/ap_on_bi_ge/farm_scene_cow_tax_2

    “For farmers, this stinks: Belching and gaseous cows and hogs could start costing them money if a federal proposal to charge fees for air-polluting animals becomes law.

    Farmers so far are turning their noses up at the notion, which is one of several put forward by the Environmental Protection Agency after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2007 that greenhouse gases emitted by belching and flatulence amounts to air pollution.

    t would require farms or ranches with more than 25 dairy cows, 50 beef cattle or 200 hogs to pay an annual fee of about $175 for each dairy cow, $87.50 per head of beef cattle and $20 for each hog.

    The executive vice president of the Wyoming Farm Bureau Federation, Ken Hamilton, estimated the fee would cost owners of a modest-sized cattle ranch $30,000 to $40,000 a year. He said he has talked to a number of livestock owners about the proposals, and “all have said if the fees were carried out, it would bankrupt them.”

    Sparks said Wednesday he’s worried the fee could be extended to chickens and other farm animals and cause more meat to be imported.

    “We’ll let other countries put food on our tables like they are putting gas in our cars. Other countries don’t have the health standards we have,” Sparks said.”

    Have the environmental wackos and our government taxing agencies gone completely mad? I am convinced they have.
    This is simply hysteria.
    What is happening to the common since of the people of this country. These people need to be run out of office and institutionalized for both their and our good.
    They are dangerous!!!

  16. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 8:06 am | Permalink
    Billo leaving radio.

    He musta heard the footsteps of the Fairness Doctrine approaching.

    One down. Several to go.

    http://www.rbr.com/radio/11651.html
    ————————————————–

    Well it looks like you agree with the talk show hosts on what the Fairness Doctrine really is.
    Hope you get some good tips on how to make cupcakes for the Holidays or enjoy Sports talk.
    Me and my friends will be going to satellite radio.

  17. BlueJay
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    What the hell is “common since”?

  18. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    beber
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 8:07 am | Permalink
    500,000 jobs lost. 200,000 more in the last two months than reported. Happy Cons?
    —————————————————-
    Why didn’t YOUR Congress and Senate propose something to stop it?

  19. Boxlock20
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    beber Posted December 5, 2008 at 7:29 am
    “I also suspect they only way the petition could have been resubmitted is with the connivance of the chief justice.”

    Can’t hurt to look….unless of course for someone with something to hide. Not saying there is, but why not look as it keeps coming up.
    Putting it to rest one way or another is better for the country.

  20. BlueJay
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    “Me and my friends will be going to satellite radio.”

    Ta! Then you and yours can PAY for the priveledge of being lied into voting against your own best interest.

  21. fleettwood
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    “Billo leaving radio.
    He musta heard the footsteps of the Fairness Doctrine approaching.”

    I suspect it has to do with his show running the same time as Rush’s. That, and O’Reilly being an idiot.

  22. donndublin
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    • brian_nuevo
    Posted November 24, 2008 at 8:52 pm | Permalink
    donndublin you are an effin’ idiot
    • brian_nuevo
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:10 pm | Permalink
    donndublin,
    You are probably the guy with the WWJD? bumper sticker and Jesus fish who tailgates then zooms around, giving me the finger, and cuts me off, all without signaling.
    ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
    Gee Brian you are probably the guy with the NAMBL and rainbow sticker who rides a tricycle down a two lane highway and flips off everyone when they pass you.

  23. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    We’ll see how well the economy does “sticking it to the man” over the next 4 years.

  24. beber
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    “What the hell is “common since”?” — Blue Jay

    It’s like “descenting opinion.”

  25. donndublin
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    BJ

    What other nics do you go by?

    kfg, brian_nuevo, Monkeyhawk, Mary_Caruso, XXX, beber or all of the above?

    You sound a little confused?

  26. ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    Have the environmental wackos and our government taxing agencies gone completely mad?
    =============

    Yes.

  27. Phantom
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    Job losses worst since 1974, 10% of all mortgages either delinquent or in foreclosure, how’s that ‘Ownership Society’ thing working out?
    Easily dubya is WPE, blew right past Jimmah Carter on job losses.

  28. Phantom
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    The Man, has done stuck it to you, fool.

  29. ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    Job losses worst since 1974, 10% of all mortgages either delinquent or in foreclosure
    =================

    Tell me about! 2 years of this Congress has put us in the sh*tter!

  30. Boxlock20
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    “What the hell is “common since”?”
    —BlueJay

    BlueJay, it doesn’t surprise me at all you have to ask, as you have proven yourself to have NONE!

  31. Phantom
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    Looks like bush is using the scorched earth policy, if he can’t run the country, he’ll leave no country for anyone else to run.
    Brought to you by your Republican Party.

  32. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    Phantom
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:19 am | Permalink
    The Man, has done stuck it to you, fool.
    —————————————————-

    I’ve got a job. Two cars that run. A very nice roof over my head. A relatively healthy family and Insurance to cover us when we are not.
    Stop looking at yourself as a victim.

  33. Phantom
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    The Govt. Obstructionist Party (GOP) insured that the narrow majority of dems in congress could accomplish very little. A minority in congress, with a president of the same party, can prevent any meaningful legislation passing, or not passing a veto.

  34. Phantom
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    You should have added “For NOw”.

  35. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    Phantom
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:27 am | Permalink
    You should have added “For NOw”.
    —————————————————-

    You’re really drinking that media Kool-aid aren’t you?
    I’m guessing I can hold onto all of those for 46 more days when Obama-and-Dog are ushered in..HERE I COME TO SAVE THE DAY (Obama and Dog are on their way!)

  36. ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    Phantom
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:27 am | Permalink
    The Govt. Obstructionist Party (GOP) insured that the narrow majority of dems in congress could accomplish very little.
    ———————-

    Always the victim, eh? It’s not the dem’s fault for anything….

    Jeebus.

  37. Phantom
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    60% of CEO’s say they will cut jobs in the next 6 mo., check back in with us later.

  38. lindainks55
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    “Define GOP” Contest Winners

    Perrspectives is pleased to announce the winners of our first ever “What Does ‘GOP’ Stand For?” Contest.

    The first prize of an iPod Shuffle goes to reader Mike, with his simple “George Orwell’s Prediction.” A $50 Amazon.com gift certificate goes to Lance for “Gag Our Press.” And our contest featured four third-place finishers, including Kris (”Going Off to Prison”), William (”Gospel Of Privilege”), Steve (”Gay Obsessed Psychos”) and L.G. (”Grotesque Orwellian Parody”). Each wins a Perrspectives “Conservative Threat Level” t-shirt.

    http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000428.htm

  39. lindainks55
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    I like the way gop sounds — make the ‘o’ an ‘ah’ sound and kinda emphasize it, make it gravely sounding. gaaahhhhp. Put a decisive and empahtic ‘p’ at the end. gaaahhhP.

  40. Phantom
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    If you’re believing that Wichita is going to be an island of prosperity because of aviation, think again. Economy goes south, people don’t fly, people don’t fly, aircraft don’t sell, acft. don’t sale, acft. plants cut back severely, the local economy goes down the tank.

  41. Boxlock20
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    The DimLibs sure talk a good line about separation of church and state….but of course lie about that too.

    http://www.ismileyu.com/barack-obama-church-and-state-motivational-poster/

  42. RP_McMurphy
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    BJ

    What other nics do you go by?

    kfg, brian_nuevo, Monkeyhawk, Mary_Caruso, XXX, beber or all of the above?

    You sound a little confused?
    *********************************************
    donndublin…you new around here huh?

  43. Phantom
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Going to be a bloody day on Wall Street, bush to speak about economy in a couple of hours! Probably wants to make a final pitch about CAFTA.

  44. Phantom
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Looks like Gramm’s “Mental Recession” is giving way to “Mental Depression”.

  45. beber
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    The market is holding up very well, considering. Down 172 so far, but that was like ten minutes ago.

  46. donndublin
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    #
    RP_McMurphy
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    donndublin…you new around here huh?

    ???????????????????????????????????????????????????

    Since Nov. 24th. Why do you ask? Is RP_McMurphy
    another nic for Bluejay?

  47. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    Hey the market being down is just sticking it to the rich.
    There’s nothing to trickle down economics!

    On a positive note oil looks to be headed below $40- cheap gas is more money in my pocket!

  48. WAR
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    I had Chaoyangopteridae once, but the pharmacist gave me some ointment that cleared it right up. He just said that I shouldn’t let my pterosaur have anthing to do with anyone elses pterosaur for about six weeks.

  49. donndublin
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    #
    BlueJay
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    What nic do we usually know you under there “donnie”?

    ****************************************************
    BJ,

    Pleas stop torturing me. I confess one of my other nics is BlueJay.

  50. outlander
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    GLOBAL COOLING UPDATE

    The preemptory excus.. err..”explanations” are a flyin’.

    “This year is set to be the coolest since 2000, according to a preliminary estimate of global average temperature that is due to be released next week by the Met Office. The global average for 2008 should come in close to 14.3C, which is 0.14C below the average temperature for 2001-07.

    Prof Myles Allen at Oxford University who runs the climateprediction.net website, said he feared climate sceptics would overinterpret the figure. “You can bet your life there will be a lot of fuss about what a cold year it is. Actually no, its not been that cold a year, but the human memory is not very long, we are used to warm years,” he said, “Even in the 80s [this year] would have felt like a warm year.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/dec/05/climate-change-weather

  51. ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    GLOBAL COOLING
    ———

    I shouldn’t have worn a tight shirt.

  52. lindainks55
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    Randle Patrick,

    Chief fooled em all, some will never be able to fool anyone. ;-)

  53. CapnAmerica
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    Before DonnDummy was born, God asked him what kind of brain he wanted.

    Donny thought he said train, and said “make mine a slow one . . . “

  54. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    outlander,

    So you cannot support your “a heckuvalot colder” claim?

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/12/open-thread-124-2/#comment-479055

  55. donndublin
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    More proof of the scam.

    “Nasa officials have admitted that for the past seven years they have used the wrong temperature statistics to assess global warming trends.”

    SOURCE: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article2274346.ece

  56. donndublin
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    CapnAmerica a.k.a BlueJay ect.

  57. RP_McMurphy
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    What scam?
    The Republicans trying to make everyone believe that science is bullshit scam?

  58. BlueJay
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Well we can settle your concerns “Donndublin”.

    Care to meet? If not, quit following me around and pick a nic and stay there.

  59. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    More proof that AGW deniers are irrational and illogical.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article2274346.ece
    “Other scientists hit back at global warming sceptics by pointing out that the error applied to only 48 states of the US, with Alaska and Hawaii excluded, and was negligible in its impact.

    Moreover, they argued, it had no impact at all on the rankings of the hottest years when looked at globally rather than in the US, which accounts for only 2 per cent of the Earth’s surface.

    David Parker, of the Met Office Hadley Centre, said of the effect on global averages: “The effect is so small that you couldn’t see it on a graph. They were of the order of a thousandth of a degree. It really has no impact.” “

  60. CapnAmerica
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    Scott Althaus, professor of political science and communication, and Kalev Leetaru, coordinator of research in the Cline Center for Democracy, recently found that the U.S. White House Web site has modified, and in some cases, deleted key documents in the public record.

    When the U.S. invaded Iraq, the U.S. government released a statement on the White House Web site listing the nations involved in the “Coalition of the Willing.” However, over a period of several years, different versions of the three releases all appear to be originals. In the case of two releases from the U.S. government Web site, the original document is completely missing from the site.

    “I think that it raises the question of whether or not we can trust the government to maintain public records of things that were said or done that later prove embarrassing,” Althaus said.

    A proofreader reviewing an article Althaus co-authored discovered that a previously recorded Web address led to a blank page. Althaus confirmed that the document had been deleted. Related lists of coalition countries also appeared to contradict one another.

    ******

    Wow, the shredders must be working over-time there at the Ministry of Truth.

    “We’ve always been at war with East Asia. We’ve never been at war with Eurasia.”

    Or in the case of Bush, “we’ve always hated Saddam the Dictator and wanted to overthrow him. We’ve never supported him especially after he gassed his own people in Halabja, so stop saying that.”

  61. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/dec/05/climate-change-weather
    “The global average for 2008 should come in close to 14.3C, which is 0.14C below the average temperature for 2001-07.

    The Met Office predicted at the beginning of the year that 2008 would be cooler than recent years because of a La Niña event – characterised by unusually cold ocean temperatures in the equatorial Pacific Ocean. It is the mirror image of the El Niño climate cycle. The Met Office had forecast an annual global average of 14.37C.”
    ————–

    Also, the Hadley (Met) data does not include parts of the more rapidly warming Arctic region.

  62. Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    Wow, the shredders must be working over-time there at the Ministry of Truth.

    Apparently, your memory is falling into a hole, Capn. Glad to help.

    A quick history of the Bush administration!

    http://action.credomobile.com/comics/2008/12/a_look_back_at_the_bush_admini.html

    P.S. Tom Friedman and others will also be glad to remind us of how virtuous they were all along.

  63. HLP
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    RETHINKING GLOBAL WARMING

    The United Nations Climate Change Conference is underway this week in Poznan, Poland, and literally thousands of folks have convened and reinforced the notion that the buildup of greenhouse gases has caused substantial warming in recent decades and that left unchecked, the continued buildup will undoubtedly cause significant warming in the decades to come. Believe it or not, it is possible that aspects of the traditional greenhouse gas explanation could be largely wrong, and if you think we are crazy, let’s visit an article just published in the prestigious journal Climate Dynamics.

    The interesting (to say the least) work was conducted Gilbert Compo and Prashant Sardeshmukh of the Climate Diagnostics Center, Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences and Physical Sciences Division, Earth System Research Laboratory, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (these guys must have oversized business cards) and the work was supported financially by the NOAA Climate Program Office. The first sentence of the abstract reads: “Evidence is presented that the recent worldwide land warming has occurred largely in response to a worldwide warming of the oceans rather than as a direct response to increasing greenhouse gases (GHGs) over land.”

    This sentence certainly captured our interest at World Climate Report – anyone suggesting that some warming may have been caused by something other than the buildup of greenhouse gases will always get a second look. The approach used by Compo and Sardeshmukh is actually quite simple and clever. The pair collected sea surface temperature data from 1961 to 2006 and they determined the difference between the 1991-2006 and 1961-1990 sub-periods. As seen in the Figure 1 below, the oceans of the world generally warmed between the two sub-periods.

    Next, they took only the change in SSTs [Sea Surface Temperastures] to force global climate responses in a suite of climate models. Basically, instead of increasing greenhouse gas (GHG) concentration to examine the global climate response, they wondered how the climate would be impacted by the spatial pattern of sea surface temperature changes over the global oceans. In addition, they conducted a set of numerical modeling experiments that did include the set of known forcings “included time-varying solar irradiance and volcanic aerosols, anthropogenic sulfate aerosols, tropospheric and stratospheric ozone, well-mixed GHGs (CO2, CH4, N2O), halocarbons, and black carbon aerosols.” In the second sentence of their abstract, Compo and Sardeshmukh tell us “Atmospheric model simulations of the last half-century with prescribed observed ocean temperature changes, but without prescribed GHG changes, account for most of the land warming.”

    Are they kidding? Are they really suggesting that the warming of the land areas of the Earth may not have been caused directly by the increased concentration of greenhouse gases? The answer is … yes! Their figure (Figure 2 below) shows the results and to the amazement of the greenhouse advocates, the model runs forced by SSTs only did as good a job replicating the observed temperature rise as the model runs with elevated greenhouse gases or the many other forcings explored in their research.

    In explaining their results, the scientists write “In summary, our results emphasize the significant role of remote oceanic influences, rather than the direct local effect of anthropogenic radiative forcings, in the recent continental warming. They suggest that the recent oceanic warming has caused the continents to warm through a different set of mechanisms than usually identified with the global impacts of SST changes. It has increased the humidity of the atmosphere, altered the atmospheric vertical motion and associated cloud fields, and perturbed the longwave and shortwave radiative fluxes at the continental surface.”

    It only gets better as they state “Although not a focus of this study, the degree to which the oceans themselves have recently warmed due to increased GHG, other anthropogenic, natural solar and volcanic forcings, or internal multi-decadal climate variations is a matter of active investigation.” That’s interesting – it seems there is some lingering debate about why the oceans have warmed, and they note “a role for natural causes of at least some of the recent oceanic warming should not be ruled out.”

    Here at World Climate Report, we never rule out the role of natural variability of the climate system. Their final paragraph has some priceless phrases as they report “Regardless of whether or not the rapid recent oceanic warming has occurred largely from anthropogenic or natural influences, our study highlights its importance in accounting for the recent observed continental warming. Perhaps the most important conclusion to be drawn from our analysis is that the recent acceleration [sic-see our last couple of WCRs demonstrating a slowdown of recent warming trends] of global warming may not be occurring in quite the manner one might have imagined. The indirect and substantial role of the oceans in causing the recent continental warming emphasizes the need to generate reliable projections of ocean temperature changes over the next century, in order to generate more reliable projections of not just the global mean temperature and precipitation changes, but also regional climate changes.”

    Stating “global warming may not be occurring in quite the manner one might have imagined” is an interesting way to report that the entire global warming – greenhouse gas buildup link (largely unchallenged) may be a quite a bit off. Time will tell, but don’t look for a lot of press coverage coming from the Poland meeting of this interesting research challenging the gospel of global warming.

    Reference: Compo, G.P. and P.D. Sardeshmukh. 2008. Oceanic influences on recent continental warming. Climate Dynamics.

    http://www.springerlink.com/content/au9×40l201105273/

    Source:

    http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/12/03/rethinking-observed-warming/

  64. annie_moose
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    Looks like the man did it all to himself,
    silly man.

    snip

    This is old news to readers of the Big Picture, but I wanted to at least excerpt this:

    “I want to give you my verdict on CRA: NOT guilty,” said FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair, according to a press release by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. Before the Consumer Federation of America, Bair said Thursday she wanted to clear up the “myth” that the Community Reinvestment Act caused the financial crisis — and she set out to do so with vigor.

    The Community Reinvestment Act — or CRA — is a federal law designed to encourage commercial banks and savings associations to meet the needs of borrowers in all segments of their communities, including low- and moderate-income neighborhoods. It has largely been criticized by conservative members of the GOP as promoting predatory lending practices.

    “Point in fact,” she said, “only one in four higher-priced first mortgage loans were made by CRA-covered banks during the hey-day years of subprime mortgage lending. The rest were made by private independent mortgage companies and large bank affiliates not covered by CRA rules.”

    And “Let me ask you,” she proceeded. “Where in the CRA does it say to make loans to people who can’t afford to repay? Nowhere.” The facts are simple, Bair said. The lending practices that are causing problems today were driven by a desire for more market share and revenue growth, not because the government encouraged certain lending practices.

  65. mrcontroversy
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    Hi all,
    Sorry I’m so late posting today… had to go put on my hip waders–it’s getting deep in here!

  66. beber
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    Thus, Annie, is another winger-myth busted. Of course, Ms. Bair is no doubt a commie. Must everything they believe be a lie. No, just everything they say.

  67. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    We tried like hell to tell paulie the shillie this, but he just wouldnt listen. Maybe a bushco official will convince him? And heckie? And anyone else in denial about the simple truth?

    Naaaaaaaw.

    What they believe has little basis in reality.

    Facts. PFFFT. They dont need no stinkin’ facts!

  68. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Hank,

    And what caused the oceans heat content to increase?

    Answer: Mostly AGW.

    http://celebrating200years.noaa.gov/breakthroughs/warming_ocean/welcome.html
    “Put in other terms, the sudden release of this energy from the ocean would warm the bottom 10 km (6.2 mi) of the atmosphere approximately 22 degrees Celsius (40 degrees Fahrenheit).”

  69. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    Well, here’s a little good news for you all down there. The Hutch Chamber has invited Rebecca Ryan to speak. IMHO, she and Richard Florida have the best insight into economic development today. She’s nothing short of a genius, as far as I’m concerned.

    http://www.kansas.com/business/updates/story/621361.html

    You would enjoy this if you attended. At least her presentation. Other chamber stuff really bores me, like cheerleading.

    And did you see the Wichta Chamber is laying off some execs? Chambers are generally dying organizations. The one locally disbanded this year.

    Disbanded is being kind. They kinda just shriveled up and fell off…

    heheheh. Like all useless apendages!

  70. Pleefer
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    A glimmer of hope:
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-talk_moneydec03,0,2902061.story

    The Obama-citizen thing has no hope on the other hand.

    Both the Left and Right establishment are 100% behind him. He’s going to carry on the tradition of the last 20 years.

    He’ll stay, regardless of the evidence and in spite of the Constitution.

  71. bth
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    Maybe the Detroit Three SUVmakers can blame CRA for THEIR problems.

  72. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    Here’s a link to her website. Her white papers are VERY good.

    http://www.nextgenerationconsulting.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/consulting.communities

  73. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    “Maybe the Detroit Three SUVmakers can blame CRA for THEIR problems.”

    And ACORN. You CANT forget ACORN as the source of all eeeeevil in America!

  74. Pleefer
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Gas to hit $1 by next year?

    http://www.patriotledger.com/business/x1881115149/Gulf-Oil-CEO-says-lower-gas-prices-ahead

  75. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    …and here’s a link to Richard Florida’s website.

    I only disagree with him on his opinion that his strategies will ONLY work in urban areas and not in rural areas.

    I disagree. We used them here and they were working.

    Which of COURSE meant the ptb had to shut them down….

  76. American_Way
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Typical liberals when any problem arises:

    WHOM CAN WE BLAME?

  77. Pleefer
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    CITI runs a “quasi Ponzi-scheme? Nahhhhhhh.

    http://www.app.com/article/20081203/BUSINESS/81203042/1003

  78. American_Way
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    Typical liberal response when any problem arises:

    HOW MUCH MONEY CAN WE THROW AT IT?

  79. beber
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Yes, Mr. Limpballs is always a better source than the chief of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation.

  80. American_Way
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Typical liberal after action response when previous actions (thrown money) didn’t work:

    WHOM CAN WE BLAME?

  81. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Oops. The link didnt post. Tryin again.

    http://creativeclass.com/

  82. American_Way
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    Typical liberal follow-up action:

    THROW SOME MORE MONEY AT IT.

    Chill. And recycle.

  83. American_Way
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    500,000 jobs lost. 200,000 more in the last two months than reported. Happy libs?

    (see my rule 1, above)

  84. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Hank posted December 5, 2008 at 11:09 am

    Source:

    http://www.worldclimatereport.com . . .
    ——————-
    Hey Hank!

    Who is the “contact” for that site?

    LOL! New Hope Environmental Services.

    ‘Climate skeptic Pat Michaels refuses court request to disclose funding sources’
    http://www.desmogblog.com/directory/vocabulary/2185
    “In the documents, Michaels states that he was dependent for his livelihood on the income he got through his wholly owned firm, New Hope Environmental Services, Inc.

    “Many of New Hope’s clients provide funding to New Hope with the understanding that the funding will be confidential,” Michaels and his lawyers said in one document. “

  85. Pleefer
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    First an old lady gets it for sitting in the wrong seat at a football game. Then two young men get it for wanting to save their drowning father.

    The taser, gotta love it.

    And what is so wrong and illegal about wanting to do what a human is supposed to do and help each other? Nope, we gotta wait for “proper authorities” and “trained and qualified” folks to come save the day.

    Why do we have to be gutless swine in this country? Why do we allow these thugs badges?

    We’re so easy.

  86. Pleefer
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    Forgot the link:

    http://www.khsltv.com/content/topstories/story/Officers-Use-a-Taser-and-Its-Caught-On-Tape/vwDSnOeg10izfFzlhrcdaA.cspx

  87. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Phill (the second L is for “loser”) Kline gets his butt handed to him by the Kansas Supreme Court. He was to return the files he pilfered back to the Attorney General.

    But read this:

    “Because Kline’s actions also seriously interfered with this court’s efforts to determine the facts and arrive at resolution, we also regard reimbursement of this court for the costs of this action in the amount of $50,000 — i.e., the minimum personnel expense associated with filings, hearings, and conferences that could have been avoided if Kline’s conduct had been otherwise — to be an appropriate additional sanction. However, were we to impose this sanction, it would be borne by Johnson County rather than Kline personally. We are unwilling to make those taxpayers foot any further bill for the conduct of a district attorney they did not elect in the first place and have now shown the door.”

  88. ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Why do we have to be gutless swine in this country?
    ————–

    Because if you’re not some Liberal P*ssy will bring a law suit against your ass!

  89. annie_moose
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    Why do we allow these thugs badges?
    ——
    Who is this we you speak of?

  90. bth
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    “American_Way
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:32 am | Permalink
    Typical liberal follow-up action:

    THROW SOME MORE MONEY AT IT.

    Chill. And recycle.”

    Yea – like the CONS trying to blame the financial meltdown on ACORN and now Bush nationalizing the financial industry.

  91. ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Bush nationalizing the financial industry.
    =============

    Bush AND the majority of Dems.

  92. Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    The CONS seem to have nothing left, except to huddle in one corner, and throw out one bbarbed spear at a time, hoping one of them might actually stick somewhere… Say G’night, CONS… at least until 2012…

  93. ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    The CONS seem to have nothing left, except to huddle in one corner
    ======================

    Nobody puts ANTI in a corner!-

    Adjusted from ‘Dirty Dancing.

  94. Regular
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    Wrong Chas.

    An election doesn’t change who I am or what ideas I hold most dear.

    But a nice try at simplifying humanity.

    You lose.

  95. ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    Chas,

    Have you always been a ‘tag-a-long’, or just in your adult life?

  96. annie_moose
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    interesting

    http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind.html

  97. bth
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    “ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:49 am | Permalink
    Bush nationalizing the financial industry.
    =============

    Bush AND the majority of Dems.”

    Typical CON – blame the Democrats for what their boy Bush does.

  98. Posted December 5, 2008 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    ANTI — You been in a corner ever since you dipped that little girl’s pony tail in the Elmer’s Glue back in the 1st Grade… You havent been out of it since!! LOL

  99. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    More of the Kansas Supreme Court on Phill (the second L is for “lame”) Kline –

    An obvious and sorry pattern emerges from the foregoing examples and from Kline’s performance at oral argument before us. Kline exhibits little, if any, respect for the authority of this court or for his responsibility to it and to the rule of law it husbands. His attitude and behavior are inexcusable, particularly for someone who purports to be a professional prosecutor. It is plain that he is interested in the pursuit of justice only as he chooses to define it.”

    And my personal favorite –

    “He was thorough only when digressing from the point.”

    Golly, I hope he runs for office again!

  100. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    Regular posted December 5, 2008 at 11:57 am

    An election doesn’t change who I am or what ideas I hold most dear.
    ———————-
    Uh-huh. . . like Regular’s “most dear” false idea that the Sierra Club “screwed” the New Orleans levees.

  101. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    “Regular” declares –

    “An election doesn’t change who I am or what ideas I hold most dear.”

    Nor, it appears, does brain damage as your recent stroke did not affect a vital organ.

  102. Posted December 5, 2008 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Regular posted December 5, 2008 at 11:57 am

    An election doesn’t change who I am or what ideas I hold most dear.
    ———————-

    I dont think anybody here said that it did. LOL

  103. lindainks55
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for sharing annie! That was really interesting. I’m off to explore the “other links.”

  104. CapnAmerica
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    Hey CONs–

    You know how you are always asking disingenuously, “who’s hungry in America.”

    As of 12:20, the Weagle was running an ad for Special Olympics in the upper right corner that read: 1 in 8 Americans is hungry.

    Just more liberal lies, no doubt . . .

  105. donndublin
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    #
    RP_McMurphy
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    What scam?
    The Republicans trying to make everyone believe that science is bullshit scam?

    ****************************************************

    Algore is no scientist. Although he claims to have invented the internet but he is only a lawyer (professional liar) and politician obsessed with power. He is pushing the religion of “Climate Change” and their prophets are programmed computer models. Algore claims it is “settled science” and that we should put all our faith in him. You can’t get a government research grant unless you’re a believer in “Climate Change”. It was formally called “Global Warming”, but to cover their asses, they changed it.

    As a professional engineer I know that science does not need an advocate and is never settled. It stands on the observed evidence. There is no overwhelming evidence the Algore crowd claim to have. If you want real and honest scientists, try the 31,000 including more than 9000 PhDs. You can see the evidence and make your own conclusions.

    http://www.petitionproject.org/

  106. Posted December 5, 2008 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Algore is no scientist.

    Ah yes, more blather about Al Gore, as if any of the science came from him.

    Tiresome, isn’t it? The same old crap.

  107. Posted December 5, 2008 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Although he claims to have invented the internet

    Another tiresome lie.

  108. ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    Typical CON – blame the Democrats for what their boy Bush does.
    ———-

    I blame them both, Ben.
    Open your eyes.

  109. donndublin
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    #
    BlueJay
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Well we can settle your concerns “Donndublin”.

    Care to meet? If not, quit following me around and pick a nic and stay there.

    ####################################################

    We can settle this if we come to a meeting of the minds and you beleive that I have no other nic(s) on this blog.

    I havn’t been blogging that long to have more nics. I’ve been too busy running a busines and paying my taxes to support you liberal parasites.

  110. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    donndublin posted December 5, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    You can see the evidence and make your own conclusions.
    ————–

    You can see the fact that donndublin is completely clueless about scientific methodology, and climate science.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Petition

  111. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    CapnAmerica
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 12:26 pm | Permalink
    Hey CONs–

    You know how you are always asking disingenuously, “who’s hungry in America.”

    As of 12:20, the Weagle was running an ad for Special Olympics in the upper right corner that read: 1 in 8 Americans is hungry.

    Just more liberal lies, no doubt . . .
    ==================================================

    With the obesity problem maybe more should be hungry.
    Hunger and starving/malnurshied are not the same thing.

  112. outlander
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    As of 12:20, the Weagle was running an ad for Special Olympics in the upper right corner that read: 1 in 8 Americans is hungry. – CapnAmerica

    ———–

    Dang, me too. Past lunch time.

  113. brian_nuevo
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    I was catching up on some of the morning posts and found a couple especially funny:

    “Boxlock20
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:23 am | Permalink
    “What the hell is “common since”?”
    —BlueJay

    BlueJay, it doesn’t surprise me at all you have to ask, as you have proven yourself to have NONE!”

    “donndublin
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 8:44 am | Permalink
    …Gee Brian you are probably the guy with the NAMBL and rainbow sticker who rides a tricycle down a two lane highway and flips off everyone when they pass you.”

    Sometimes I wish there was an IQ test to receive a logon to the WEBlog, but if there were the entertainment value would go down so much.

  114. beber
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    malnurshied = shy of bad nurses? Where were you educated, Mr. Diarrhea? I make mistakes, but yours are just so damned ignorant and funny. Just a “descenting” opinion, I suppose.

  115. beber
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    As I have said so many times, brian, the graphical interface ruined the Web.

  116. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    Do you want to have a conversation about hunger or discuss spelling typo’s?
    I learned to spell around 3rd grade, same spot I’m guessing you got your nicknames.

  117. ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    LAS VEGAS (AP) – A broken O.J. Simpson has been sentenced to at least 15 years in prison for a Las Vegas hotel armed robbery by a judge who rejected his apology and said, “It was much more than stupidity.”
    ———–

    Ha f’in Ha!!!

  118. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:00 pm | Permalink
    LAS VEGAS (AP) – A broken O.J. Simpson has been sentenced to at least 15 years in prison for a Las Vegas hotel armed robbery by a judge who rejected his apology and said, “It was much more than stupidity.”
    ———–

    Ha f’in Ha!!!
    ————————————————–
    Got off easy again.

  119. ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Boy George found guilty of false imprisonment for chaining male escort

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article5292064.ece

    Damn homos. They are as evil as Christians, eh?

  120. Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Dang, me too. Past lunch time.

    Ah, an echo of your hero.

    **************
    “We were told four years ago that 17 million people went to bed hungry every night. Well, that was probably true. They were all on a diet.”
    Ronald Reagan, TV speech, October 27, 1964

  121. Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    As I have said so many times, brian, the graphical interface ruined the Web.

    Huh? You prefer Lynx, or what?

  122. Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Obesity results when people fill up on high-calorie, low-nutrition food. This typically happens when poor people have a limited grocery budget, and so buy something that’s filling to stave off hunger.

    Duh.

  123. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know of any foodbanks nor do I think the Lord’s Diner and other “soup kitchens” serve McDonald’s.

  124. RP_McMurphy
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    dondub, I can tell you’re going to be a big hit round here.
    Shit, loonies, that’s all we need, another self-appointed expert.

    What’s your specialty?
    Just general asshead? Or do you specialize?
    What is it?
    Gays?
    Gun control?
    Forced birth?

  125. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    “donndublin” trots out a Golden Oldie –

    “…[Al Gore} claims to have invented the internet…”

    Ya gotta love it when the CONs are so bereft of thought they gotta recycle lies from 8 years ago.

    What’s next? Hillary shot Vice Foster in her lesbian love nest? Bill was America’s cocaine kingpin in Mena, Arkansas? Arlington-gate? Wag the Dog?

    It’s like a Solid Gold radio station. Except it isn’t solid, it’s squishy and stinks. And is brown.

  126. brian_nuevo
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    “beber
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 12:59 pm | Permalink
    As I have said so many times, brian, the graphical interface ruined the Web.”

    Just wait until I finish my thought-to-text device.

  127. RP_McMurphy
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    ANTI….that’s funny.
    Great sense of humor there, Cochise.

  128. beber
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    Mr. Diarrhea: And recent research has shown that the old idea that eating more than we burn causes obesity is falling out of favor with science. It’s more like eating the processed sugars and starches so prevalent in our diets causes the body to produce more insulin, which in turn causes hunger and eventually, diabetes. Recently, it has also been found that many people are infected with a virus which causes the body to process fats differently. When monkeys are infected with the virus all get fat. With humans it is more complicated, but still there is a strong relationship.

    It all gets back to unregulated capitalism. We are free to produce foods that kill us. In addition most of our excess sugar intake is ingested in soft drinks. Coca Cola kills more people in a week than all the illegal drugs do in a year.

    At any rate, you expose the true inner life of the conservative. You want children to go to bed hungry because they deserve it. I wonder how many of you live with yourselves, but I think most of you do not really except as pimples on the ass of humanity.

  129. brian_nuevo
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    “RP_McMurphy
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:09 pm | Permalink
    dondub, I can tell you’re going to be a big hit round here.
    Shit, loonies, that’s all we need, another self-appointed expert.

    What’s your specialty?
    Just general asshead? Or do you specialize?
    What is it?
    Gays?
    Gun control?
    Forced birth?”

    lmfao

  130. RP_McMurphy
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    beber………

    malnurshied = shy of bad nurses?

    YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT NURSE RATCHED, AIN’T YOU !

    THATS FUNNY CRAP.

  131. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    There are plenty of low cost alternatives to eating healthy.
    Soup for instance.

  132. ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    RP_McMurphy
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:10 pm | Permalink
    ANTI….that’s funny.
    Great sense of humor there, Cochise.
    ——————-

    Sorry, I’m Navajo not Apache.

  133. brian_nuevo
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    “Mr_Kia
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:13 pm | Permalink
    There are plenty of low cost alternatives to eating healthy.
    Soup for instance.”

    Thanks for the tip. I have been looking for a low cost alternative to eating healthy.

  134. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    beber
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:10 pm | Permalink
    It all gets back to unregulated capitalism. We are free to produce foods that kill us. In addition most of our excess sugar intake is ingested in soft drinks. Coca Cola kills more people in a week than all the illegal drugs do in a year.

    At any rate, you expose the true inner life of the conservative. You want children to go to bed hungry because they deserve it. I wonder how many of you live with yourselves, but I think most of you do not really except as pimples on the ass of humanity.
    —————————————————-

    You want to regulate what is bought and sold in this country? You are a true socialist aren’t you?
    Plenty of places to live, just denounce your citzenship and move why don’t you?
    I have great empathy for children of idiot parents (I imagine yours included).
    Not sure what I can do about it. I can’t help people too stupid to help themselves.

  135. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    Do you wanna go here or get supersized?

    http://www.srskansas.org/ISD/foodresources/Sedgwick.htm

  136. lindainks55
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Mr. McMurphy and Mr. ANTI,

    You two are genuine nuts, aren’t you? Not Navajo not Apache. I think filbert or maybe corn nuts.

  137. RP_McMurphy
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    Just don’t call us coconuts.
    You remember who always used that?
    No don’t say it.
    It’s bad luck!

  138. ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    You two are genuine nuts, aren’t you?
    =============

    Linda, that’s just what the doctors tell me.

    I pay them no attention.

    Just funnin’

  139. RP_McMurphy
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    PAGING DR. FEELGOOD, DR. FEELGOOD…..

  140. RP_McMurphy
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think I remember any famous Navajos.
    ANTI just seems so negative.

  141. fleettwood
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    “…running a busines and paying my taxes to support you liberal parasites.”

    Conservatives: We work, so you don’t have to.

  142. brian_nuevo
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    “fleettwood
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:41 pm | Permalink
    …Conservatives: We work, so you don’t have to.”

    If that were true Kansas would be one of the richest states in the country.

  143. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    “Mr_Kia” –

    A fat-and-gristle Double Cheeseburger at McDonald’s is a pretty cheap meal. (Have you ever seen “SuperSize Me”?)

    And carb-packed potatoes and pasta and fatty processed foods are less expensive than fresh green vegetables and high-protein cuts of meat.

    It seems ironic that hunger in America translates into obesity among the poor. But that’s the way it is.

    Even your solution — “More soup, mules!” — has fatty creamy, noodle-packed calories and is eaten with more carbs (bread, crackers) and contributes to the poverty/obesity connection.

  144. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    And another thing, “Mr_Kia” –

    Does your nym reflect your passion for foreign cars?

  145. RP_McMurphy
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Conservatives:
    We have offshored our manufacturing and given you all service jobs, now quit whining. You want health care, go to the emergency room. McDonalds don’t offer it.

  146. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Fast food is certainly an issue. I’m a dollar menu guy myself. But it’s laziness on my part and a choice.
    There are hundreds if not thousands of options for either eating healty on a budget or thru your local food pantry.

    I think there’s probably a correlation between stupid and fat.

  147. American_Way
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    “Record 1 in 10 American Homeowners in Foreclosure or a Month Behind in Payments”
    Foxnews

    I heard congress is planning a new bailout, this time for those poor, poor, mortgage holders
    who were guilible and were forced at gunpoint to sign up for mortgages they could not afford (sniffle, sniffle).

    I heard they are looking at giving out more FREE MONEY to anyone 90 days deliquent on their loans.

    I’m thinking about not making my December payment. Then skip January and February. Of course, if I don’t make December, I will have to reduce my mortgage deduction for 2008 on my 1040.

    You think we could qualify for some of that FREE MONEY too?

    Those money trees in Washington must bear fruit all year long!

  148. beber
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    So, Mr. Diarrhea, you think it’s just fine that huge corporations can advertise products to children that will eventually cause them to become sick and die. Hell yes, I’m for regulating what Americans can buy. Don’t we already. You see the fits when a bit of lead paint is found on a toy, but no outrage at all when Pepsi sells death to kids on the Sponge Bob show, or sugar-coated cereals are sold. And yes, I’m inclined toward socialism. It’s the only way to keep a country from becoming like those capitalist societies in South America, where virtually no tax is paid, and the rich (in some cases a few rich families) own the entire country. Socialism is not a dirty word you know; it’s a sane form of cooperative government in which you exchange the right to profit fromm killing children for protecting them from harm. Something your bullshit-filled brain can’t comprehend.

  149. RP_McMurphy
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Keep whining, we just bring in more Mexicans.
    MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

  150. Posted December 5, 2008 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    Even your solution — “More soup, mules!” — has fatty creamy, noodle-packed calories and is eaten with more carbs (bread, crackers) and contributes to the poverty/obesity connection.

    Nor is soup particularly cheap, unless you make your own.

  151. RP_McMurphy
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    That there Lou Dobbs fellow is damned conservative, and MAD AS HELL about the lack of the conservative oversight of ANYTHING !

  152. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Protect us from ourselves!
    You pathetic soul.

  153. American_Way
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    “Yea – like the CONS trying to blame the financial meltdown on ACORN and now Bush nationalizing the financial industry.”

    You prove your hypocrisy in your post.

    CON’s blaming ACORN = you blaming Bush

  154. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    http://heateatreview.com

  155. beber
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    Oh, I think you can be sure under Obama you’ll get a big nutrition lesson. That’s the keystone of his health plan. He’ll make it work by changing our habits or else. And homemade whole wheat bread costs about 40 cents a loaf to make. And potatoes are a good source of carbs and energy as long as they are not fried in Bacon fat. Remember how the Farm Bureau and the conservatives kicked when a few cities prohibited cafes from deep fat frying foods in transfats. You shitheads thought they were taking your French fries away.

  156. Posted December 5, 2008 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    CON’s blaming ACORN = you blaming Bush

    That’s just hilarious!

    Too bad the degree to which neo-conservative casino-based economics screwed America is not.

  157. beber
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    Note how every conservative on a blog is always of the perfect weight. I hope Mr. Obama makes you fat pigs do jumping jacks in front of your office in the cold in the morning until the wallets fall out of your pants.

  158. beber
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    No, Mr. Diarrhea, protect children from greed. That’s socialism.

  159. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    donndublin,

    You’re obviously very misinformed and confused about climate science.

    ‘Oregon Institute of Science and Malarkey’
    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/10/oregon-institute-of-science-and-malarkey/

  160. HLP
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    Nothing like a little ‘Global Cooling’ talk to ‘heat up’ the BLOG!

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/dec/05/climate-change-weather

    hehe

  161. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    I could stand to lose 15-20 pounds. But I’m not blaiming anyone for my waistline and eating habits but myself.

    Anyone who has more than you is greedy is that it?

  162. HLP
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    Actually Beber, I’m at least 30 pounds over weight, or 30 pounds heavier than I care to be.

    It’ll take more than little Barry to get me to do jumping jacks in the cold though!

  163. annie_moose
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    Speaking of the degree to which neo-conservative casino-based economics screwed America

    As Mr.T used to say “pity the fools”

    From NYT snip

    Fortress Investment Group is closing the gates on investors seeking to pull billions of dollars out of one of its flagship hedge funds.

    Fortress, a private equity and hedge fund firm led by Wesley Edens, said in a regulatory filing Wednesday that it had temporarily suspended redemptions at its Drawbridge Global Macro fund after receiving requests to withdraw more than $3.5 billion. It didn’t say how long the halt would last.

    Shares of Fortress, which went public in February 2007, plunged 30 percent Wednesday afternoon after the halt was announced.

    Like many hedge funds, Fortress’s Drawbridge Global Macro fund has taken a beating from the recent market turmoil. It was down 26 percent from its “high-water mark” — the level at which fund managers can start collecting performance fees — at the end of October, according to its latest quarterly filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

    As of Sept. 30, the Drawbridge Global Macro funds had $8 billion in assets under management, Fortress said. In Wednesday’s filing Fortress estimated that with the latest wave of redemptions halted, the fund would have $3.65 billion in assets under management on Jan. 1, 2009.

    Fortress had been bracing for a rush to the exits. Last month, Mr. Edens said on a conference call that “we expect to experience increased redemptions at year end” in its liquid hedge funds.

  164. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Dear Hank,

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/12/open-thread-125-2/#comment-479304

    hehe

  165. American_Way
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    “CON’s blaming ACORN = you blaming Bush ”

    You think Bush approved spending 700 billion dollars all on his own?

    No congress working on that little issue?

    No Majority Democrats in Congress voting on these issues?

    Some of you liberals are amazing. I wonder if you live on the same planet with the rest of us.

    At least I have always admited BOTH parties are responsible for WASTING my tax dollars.

    You are turning a blind eye to your own party. That just allows them to continue to spend money we don’t have.

    Nothing will change until we all fess up. I always have.

  166. American_Way
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    They gotta feel the heat!

    All the wuckers in the WORST congress EVER!
    (see dismal ratings)

  167. American_Way
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    w=s

    :-)

  168. American_Way
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    And I for one cannot WAIT for the government to pass out healthcare based upon:

    1. Do you smoke?
    2. Do you drink?
    3. Are you a fat -uck?
    4. Did you have too many babies?
    5. Did you stay up past 10PM miss 8 hours sleep?
    6. Pop positive for drugs?

    Because I know quite a few blue people will not get the rationed healthcare, and will be low priority on surgery lists.

  169. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Rage posted December 5, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Nor is soup particularly cheap, unless you make your own.
    ————–

    Rock soup is very cheap. All you need is the “magic” rock, and other people provide the rest of the ingredients. ;-)

  170. Posted December 5, 2008 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    You are turning a blind eye to your own party.

    Bullsh*it. To begin with, they’re not exactly “my party.” I was a registered independent from 1998 to 2008 and I reserve the right to bail again at any time.

    Secondly, you don’t have to look hard to find posts where I’ve given the Democrats hell–and frequently.

    Thirdly, I did not use the word “Republican” in my post (though there’s no question that Republicans championed the distastrous policies producing this messs). Plently of corporate Democrats cashed in, too.

    But the notion of equal blame to both parties is a convenient fiction that completely ignores history.

  171. sursum
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    beber: About those socialists, have you ever noted how ther seems to be less single moms on welfare in those places? Some of them have this scheme whereby the state offers $5.00 per diem day care and heavily encourages stay at home single moms to get a job, knowing their kids are in an affordable, regulated day care program. The thing is run at a loss, but the parent makes up the loss by paying income taxes, contributing to the economy and not collecting welfare. Just another dangerous, dumb socialist way of doing things. Then of course you look at education results arising inpart from early childhood education an you see another socialist, dangerous result. I won’t even go into the cost of health care either, or any more socialist drivel.

  172. brian_nuevo
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    “sursum
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 3:14 pm | Permalink
    beber: About those socialists, have you ever noted how ther seems to be less single moms on welfare in those places?”

    I thought it was do to the dollar-bill stipends the working guys in those (more liberal) places paid them.

  173. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    There are plenty of Head Start programs in this city, state and nation.

  174. ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    What the Hell?? Does anyone take their job seriously any more?

    New England border protection chief charged with hiring illegal immigrants

    http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/12/new_england_bor.html?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed2

  175. fleettwood
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    “Take Sen. Carl Levin (D-Hypocracy), who received $438,304 from the automotive industry. And in the House, Rep. Joe Knollenberg (D-CYA) received $879,327. Rep. John Dingell (D-NAACP) got nearly a million from the industry. All have enjoyed generous support from the auto industry over their careers, with GM and Ford as their two top contributors. All support a bailout.”

  176. dadman
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    I thought this was funny – someone stole the atheist sign at the Capitol bldg – Atheist are so stupid that they can’t come up with their own holiday – they have to attack the Christian holiday – I think we should designate April 1st as the official Atheist holiday

    http://hotair.com/

  177. janeeyre
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    Mr. Kia,
    I know of 7 food banks in Wichita where persons can go for food to supplement their grocery needs; generally there are cans of vegetables & fruit available to provide some healthy eating choices. For instance, there is the United Methodist food bank,1611 N. Mosley, open 9-noon & 1-4 Mon-Fri. A family can go there once a month. All a person needs to do is bring ID and social security cards for each person in the family. The amount of food received is determined by the number in the family.

    If you have a fax number, I could send you the complete list of food banks that I know about. They are in different parts of town.

  178. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    “janeeyre” tells us about –

    “…the United Methodist food bank,1611 N. Mosley, open 9-noon & 1-4 Mon-Fri.”

    So you’re telling me they break… for lunch?

  179. sursum
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    brian: ????????I don’t get your meaning about “dollar bill stipends”

  180. BlueJay
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    “Atheist are so stupid that they can’t come up with their own holiday – they have to attack the Christian holiday -”

    Christians STOLE a pagan holiday and twisted it into a holiday centered on their religion. You have to expect a certain amount of recoil.

  181. brian_nuevo
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    “sursum
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 5:34 pm | Permalink
    brian: ????????I don’t get your meaning about “dollar bill stipends””

    It was a bad joke about supporting them by tipping with ones (like at a strip club).

  182. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

    From the AP

    WASHINGTON – Struggling to find enough doctors, nurses and linguists for the war effort, the Pentagon will temporarily recruit foreigners who have been living in the United States on student and work visas, or with refugee or political asylum status.

    Defense Secretary Robert Gates has authorized the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps to recruit certain legal residents whose critical medical and language skills are “vital to the national interest,” officials said, using for the first time a law passed three years ago.

    Though the military previously has taken recruits with green cards seeking permanent residency, Gates’ action enables the services to start a one-year pilot program to find up to 1,000 foreigners who have lived in the states legally for at least two years on certain types of temporary visas.”

    They’d rather do this than repeal DADT.

    Remember how many linguists were expelled from the services for being gay? And how having them might have helped the intelligence efforts pre 0/11?

    This must make the wingnuts who hate immigration AND gays feel like their heads are exploding.

    Who would jesus hate?

  183. Predestined
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    A family can go there once a month.

    You’d better be good at rationing and miniscule meals. Two paper groceries sacks of food to last one month. That would include, if you’re lucky, 1 lb. of hamburger and a can of tuna or salmon. Oh, and you’d better like mold on your “fresh baked” pie.

    They do ask for income amount. I guess people could lie…for moldy pie.

    There is (or was) one good one that actually had edible food in larger quantities. Central Community Church.

  184. Boxlock20
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
    —William F. Buckley Jr.

  185. donndublin
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    #
    cosmos_originally
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    donndublin,

    You’re obviously very misinformed and confused about climate science.

    ‘Oregon Institute of Science and Malarkey’
    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/10/oregon-institute-of-science-and-malarkey/
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Cos,

    Did you really read that website, or did you google search to find a site that sounded good to you? That is a disinformation web site. All of their links were nothing but character attacks on Dr. Robinson and the petition. It had very little scientific substance and their argument was mostly philosophical. It was created for non-scientific minds perhaps like yourself and certainly for most bloggers on this site.

  186. Posted December 5, 2008 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    For your consideration
    http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/icantthinkstraight/

  187. lindainks55
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    hard to believe this is an actual newspaper heading but I copied and pasted exactly what was printed. (shaking head…)

    ————–

    Search for missing Minneapolis ballots finds some — but not those ones

    The search party looking for 133 missing ballots in the Minneapolis elections warehouse found some ballots all right, but not the ones they wanted.

    This morning, 12 unsealed but apparently uncounted absentee ballots were found in a box filled with stacks of plastic-wrapped unused ballots. Minneapolis elections director Cindy Reichert speculated they were put there by a confused elections judge on Election Day and undiscovered until now, the final day of the historic U.S. Senate recount.

    more at:
    http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/senate/35611679.html?elr=KArks8c7PaP3E77K_3c::D3aDhUec7PaP3E77K_0c::D3aDhUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiU

  188. lindainks55
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    60 or Not, Dems Have Edge They Need

    “…the political climate and economic crisis will make it far harder for Mr. Obama’s opponents to employ the obstructionist tactics they used so successfully when Democrats enjoyed only a modest margin the past two years and the GOP held the White House.”

    [snip]

    “At least for the first year or two, it seems unlikely that moderates like Maine’s Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, Ohio’s George Voinovich, Minnesota’s Norm Coleman and Pennsylvania’s Arlen Specter would try to prevent votes on major Obama proposals and nominations.

    Other Republicans – like Texas’ Kay Bailey Hutchison and, more importantly, Arizona’s John McCain – are likely to reflect public disdain for seeking political gain with confrontational tactics.

    Interestingly, Sen. Judd Gregg of New Hampshire, the only remaining major GOP officeholder in a state once solidly Republican, has seconded the Democratic call for a large-scale stimulus program.

    It’s no coincidence that he’s up for re-election in 2010.”

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/12/60_or_not_dems_have_edge_they.html

  189. CapnAmerica
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    William F. Buckley Jr.is shocked and offended to discover that hell is real and he is in it . . .

  190. lindainks55
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

    Result Is Still Uncertain After Minnesota Recount

    The long, grueling hand recount of nearly all 2.9 million ballots cast in last month’s United States Senate election in Minnesota was completed Friday, but whom the state will send to Washington was still uncertain.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/06/us/politics/06recount.html?ref=us

  191. Boxlock20
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    Now now Capn, why such a bad sport.
    The guy was simply genius, is that what you hate him for, even after death, he reveals you to be the idiot you are?

    What A System In The US–Forgive And Forget — Let Bygones Be Bygones…

    The rest of the world cannot understand how after bitter election campaigns, American politicians can return to reality. For instance, Sarah Palin has invited to her great state of Alaska the men who defeated her, Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

    She has provided a moose hunting trip for their enjoyment and has hired two other prominent men to assist them. Dick Cheney will instruct them in safe gun handling and guide, and Ted Kennedy will drive them back to their cabins in the evening.

    What a gal! That Sarah is such a sport and thinks of everything.

    Capn, now I bet you will be a bad sport again and make disparaging remarks about Sarah.

  192. BlueJay
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    “We can settle this if we come to a meeting of the minds and you beleive that I have no other nic(s) on this blog.

    I havn’t been blogging that long to have more nics. I’ve been too busy running a busines and paying my taxes to support you liberal parasites.”

    Yes, well.

    In a name shifting and partially faceless forum such as this, the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.

    I find your style extremely familiar. You are a poor speller. You quickly descend to very juvenile assaults. You seem to have a particular interest in certain other posters. Odd, if you are a new arrival.

    There are two possibilities.

    You are a new poster here who has read without posting for an extended time.

    You are a long time poster here who has switched nics.

    I say it is the latter.

    And I’m not known for cutting breaks anyway.

  193. Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    It always seems to be somewhat of an anomaly whenever a new “nic” shows up claiming to be a “NEW BLOGGER” but yet has aa great amount of knowledge about past (even long paast) blog events….

  194. ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    #
    Chas
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    It always seems to be somewhat of an anomaly whenever a new “nic” shows up claiming to be a “NEW BLOGGER” but yet has aa great amount of knowledge about past (even long paast) blog events….
    ——————

    Kinda like ole’ SquarePeg, eh Chas?

  195. lindainks55
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    What can’t be missed is that donndublin and okobserver would have agreed on everything! Even the way they interact with other posters and how they express their opinions is the same!

    Just like when ksgrm had just left the board when okobserver arrived and they never got to meet, it really is too bad donndublin and okobserver won’t meet either. They could have looked in one another’s eyes (figuratively of course) and found soul mates.

    Do you suppose okobserver will return and we can watch the friendship, admiration and shared opinions blossom into a friendship?

  196. Boxlock20
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    “Boxlock” vs “Boxlock20″
    Darn…I sure thought I could confuse a bunch of you and stay hidden with that switch, maybe using both nics to really make it fun and confusing.

    Who the he11 cares what nics someone uses, it’s a low rent blog after all.

  197. lindainks55
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    And you forgot to mention that anonymity allows one to be whatever (including really nasty) if they choose.

  198. ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    “Boxlock” vs “Boxlock20?
    Darn…I sure thought I could confuse a bunch of you and stay hidden with that switch, maybe using both nics to really make it fun and confusing.
    ==============

    LMFAO!

    I can’t believe they made such a big deal out of the change Boxlock…..Maybe try better camouflage next time. You sneaky bastard!

  199. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    donndublin,

    So you actually believe that climate science is done by mailing falsehoods, and a petition to people who do not do climate science (including dead people) and asking them to sign it?

    And you incorrectly believe that a vague phrase like “catastrophic heating” has a precise scientific meaning, and is also used by climate scientists.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Petition

    Thank you donndublin, for proving beyond a doubt that you’re very misinformed and confused about climate science.

  200. BlueJay
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    I notice that too linda.

    Imagine okie,ksgrm, and donndublin, their forces combined!

    But it didn’t come off that way.

    It’s harder since the registration to switch nics and keep posting in more than one. It takes work and I believe there are posters here who have figured it out.

    But okie never was that bright.

  201. ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    Hey Boxlock,

    Do you think if I came back as ‘ANTI_PEACH_COBBLER’, would BJ ferret me out?

  202. BlueJay
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    Bawks?

    While I am not in favor of switching nics and trying to pretend to be new, if anyone should try it it SHOULD be you. I mean seeing as how you went out as a punk and all.

  203. BlueJay
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    They SHOULD have made this video before the vote on proposition 8.

    If the vote were taken now? It would be different. WHICH means that the right will be on the retreat in California in 2010.

    http://www.examiner.com/x-498-Indie-Rock-Examiner~y2008m12d4-Video-celebrities-fight-back-against-Proposition-8-with-musical

  204. Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    Okay, whatever.

    About the “nic-switching” crap. I prefer to not to speculate. I agree with Monkeyhawk.

    There are exceptions, for sure. JimJohnson was the very essence of Max to me. But–note–I could be wrong. It’s important to acknowledge that.

    I wonder about biased1’s extended absence, but, who knows, maybe he found real life far more entertaining for a little while.

    In short, it doesn’t amount to a hill of sh*it*, people. There are more than enough random clowns out there, and, other than personal amusement, there is really no purpose served in pursuing such issues.

  205. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    At this season of
    THE WINTER SOLSTICE
    may reason prevail.

    There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens the hearts and enslaves the minds.

  206. ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    In short, it doesn’t amount to a hill of sh*it*, people. There are more than enough random clowns out there, and, other than personal amusement, there is really no purpose served in pursuing such issues.
    ==================================

    Agreed!!!

  207. Boxlock20
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    ANTI,
    Truth is ANTI, I got so sick of immature jerks like BJ I canceled my registration, canceled my print subscription as well earlier because the Eagle is so biased.
    But you can’t bring registration back using the same nic apparently, or at least I didn’t see how to get the system to allow it.
    Of course the mental midgets got their bowels in an up roar over adding the ‘20′ to the old nic. Ha!
    What I really get tickled over is the childish BJ still trying to save face, yet all the while making himself look even more foolish. His comment above proves that. His throwing out stupid kid like challenges, and then him wasting time standing out in front of a store in a parking lot looking like the dumb turd he is, and then trying to make me look bad for leading him into it.
    I think he got taught his lesson….he just won’t admit it. But then I and I think most never expected much more out of him.

  208. ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Boxlock,

    I expect nothing out of BJ and he delivers…every time, all the time.

    I do think the whole “Meet me after school at the water tower…bitch” crap is ridiculous, but BJ enjoys it…what a dumb ass.

  209. Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    I expect nothing out of BJ and he delivers…every time, all the time.

    Interesting. And how much do you expect from Boxlock?

  210. BlueJay
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    “His throwing out stupid kid like challenges,”

    To meet you mean?

    Yeah. I got that one from Hank. He started out here inviting people to lunch.

    There was this confusion as to whether he and Nathan were the same person in the early days of posting here.

  211. Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    P.S. By the way, regarding the timing of Boxlock’s new nic–well, I’ll be nice. Coincidences happen, I suppose.

  212. lindainks55
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    “There are more than enough random clowns out there…” — Rage

    —-

    Yes there are. Give them an excuse for their actions and they’ll take that and more — the blog equivalent to give an inch and they’ll take a mile. Those who prefer to post criticisms of other posters rather than opinions and websites of interest are the saddest clowns. It helps to know the “nics” so the scroll wheel can be put into action more quickly as needed.

  213. ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    Interesting

    And why do you find that interesting? How much do you expect from BJ?

  214. ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    Well good night to all. Enjoy the weekend and the slight warmth(?) of the outdoors!

  215. BlueJay
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    Well said linda.

    If a poster makes a blunder, lies, or is otherwise embarrassed, I am for them owning that.

    Must be my own old con roots kicking in.

    If there are those here who want to fart in the wind, let them eat a can of refried beans and go outside.

    But if opinions are to have any consideration, they must be attached to known and respected posters.

  216. ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    Oh Linda, I think it was you that has a son that works with stem cells. You posted an article a week or 3 ago and I didn’t have time to read it. Would you mind re-posting it if you remember off-hand? Otherwise my lazy ass will have to search for it.

    Thanks in advance,

    ANTI

  217. BlueJay
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    “must”. I’ve been dueling cons too long.

    If opinions here are to be given consideration they SHOULD be attached to known and credible posters.

  218. lindainks55
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    Which one? Do you have a clue what the topic was? Was it when he and his colleagues created 20 disease specific cell lines?

  219. ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    Linda, the article was in regard to ‘building’ the cells if I recall correctly…

    Anyway, no worries if you don’t have the link handy… I was just interested in its application to diseases like parkinsons (sp) disease.

  220. lindainks55
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

    He does lots of that work. He gives stem cells the disease and likens it to taking apart the clock. Often scientists don’t have the chance to study disease until it is post-op.

    He is well published, but I think this is one (of several) link to his latest.

    http://esciencenews.com/articles/2008/08/07/daley.and.colleagues.create.20.disease.specific.stem.cell.lines

  221. ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:07 pm | Permalink

    Was it when he and his colleagues created 20 disease specific cell lines?
    ==============

    I believe so, I think you described it as creating stem cells that could combat the effects of the destruction done by said diseases…not sure.

  222. ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    Yes, iPS cells, that’s the one.

    Thank you, I have wanted to research that further.

  223. Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    It helps to know the “nics” so the scroll wheel can be put into action more quickly as needed.

    That takes minutes, hours at most.

    Registration made it more difficult for sock-puppet filibusters to take place.

    But by getting sucked into this, we turn the blog into a food-fight over things casual readers don’t give two sh*its about–and they’re right.

    Planned subversion of a friggin’ blog didn’t make it to this forum in 2005-2006. There was more-or-less free nic-switching then, but nobody was really evading responsibility (Capn’s amusing nic-switch-of-the-week was legendary, but everyone knew who he was, and he never denied it. He even once was “Running out of nics”! :) ).

    Things got really crazy before registration. We know that. That’s not going to happen again. Multiple-personality posts? Let them. I don’t care. Maybe their stage career awaits.

    Dumbasses who use multiple nics? Who cares? Are their dumb opinions any more effective expressed by three nics instead of one? Honestly.

    Some script kiddies crossed the line not long ago. The Eagle shut ‘em down.

    I’m not worried. In fact, I’m amused!: they are, on so many levels, on the losing end of the argument!

    Why would any resort to such tactics, huh? ;)

  224. lindainks55
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    A new nic is an old poster who wasn’t around for several months for lots of reasons. When he came back recently he tried to sign in, finally sent the requisite email saying he guessed he didn’t remember the password, could the;y send it. Waited. Waited several days. Finally when there was NO response made a new nic. So, Rage, do you know who RP McMurphy is?

  225. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    Those of us who regularly contribute to this forum don’t realize many blogs have a lot of lurkers who read this stuff and never get involved in the dialog. Check out the Kansas City Star’s Prime Buzz blog that tracks how many reads vs. the number of posted comments. This evening there’s a thread that has something like 800 reads and 66 comments.

    So it’s not all that odd to me if a new contributor might register and be familiar with habitual posters, past kerfuffles, behind-the-scenes joys and sadness….

    Even similarities of style and phraseology aren’t all that damning as most CONservative rhetoric is boilerplate issued by daily talking points issued by the Republic Party and parroted word-for-word to the Limbaugh-tomized Masses from the White House press secretary to Faux Noise to right-wing AM hack radio. A lot of people talk that way – that exact way – even in public. I’m not in the least surprised by the thought there might be two people as idiotic as “MaxGrobnik” and “JimJohnson.” This is Kansas, after all.

    It seems particularly narcissistic to need to create sock-puppets that post merely to agree with your original posts. But narcissism seems to be rampant these days, especially among right wing-nuts who flout their ignorance and arrogance at nearly every opportunity. (Who was it who brayed about “Toe the line?” Thought it was “Tow the line.” That was a beaut.)

    What I wonder about is the frequent occurrence of wing-nuts who somehow are forced to change nyms.

    I’m Monkeyhawk and I’m a WE Blog-oholic.

    Hi, Monkeyhawk!

    And I’ve always been Monkeyhawk. I’ve been vulgar, I’ve had posts “awaiting moderation,” I’ve said some pretty edgy stuff sometimes just to prick a boil (or vice versa) with the shock value or to push a joke or squelch some particular idiocy du jour. But I’ve never had to re-register my nym. I didn’t have to change from “Kansas” to “Regular;” didn’t have to switch from “boxlock” to “boxlock20;” “Nathan” to “Nathaniel;” “Econ101” to “Franklin” to…whoever.

    Why do the craziest CONs tend to have such a problem they’re compelled to stop one identity and come up with a new one? New computer maybe? New ISP? Maybe, I guess. It’s possible. It just seems odd. It just seems odd that immediately after a particular hateful round of right wing-nut shark frenzy over somebody’s “Who Should Die” list, a bunch of CONs showed up with new nics.

    I simply deal with nyms as they come.

    This is a highly impersonal medium of communication in the first place. Why waste time trying to make personal slams?*

    *I dunno. I mean, I do it a lot, but I dunno why blogs tend to deteriorate into 8th-Grade level schoolyard taunts, only not as creative.

  226. lindainks55
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    I did get “sucked into” the ksgrm / okobserver / donndublin. Probably because no matter the nic she seems to find great pleasure in personal attacks. I was one of her targets.

    But you are right! Posters show who and what they are no matter who they call themselves. Thanks for the reality check!

  227. ANTI
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    Well I’m off to sleep.

    Thanks again Linda. I have a couple of family members suffering from some wicked diseases. Probably too late for them. But I am always interested in new developments because heredity is a bitch.

  228. okobserver
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    lindainks55
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:21 pm | Permalink
    I did get “sucked into” the ksgrm / okobserver / donndublin. Probably because no matter the nic she seems to find great pleasure in personal attacks. I was one of her targets.

    But you are right! Posters show who and what they are no matter who they call themselves. Thanks for the reality check!

    ——————
    Amazing Linda I leave town for a week and you miss me so much you try to link me to other posters. Pathetic. I have had two links and owned them both. Ksgrm and Okobserver and you are right I have called you for your two faced posting acting as if you are as pure as the driven snow while layering it on conservatives with the other hand.

    Well nice to be back in town after a nice vacation. Caught up on the news, found the same pathetic losers posting and am now off to catch up on some zzz’s before heading out again tomorrow.

  229. lindainks55
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    I can get carried away studying new discoveries. When my son is home and I can question him I’m really in a zone. ESC research is only ten years old and the progress is so short a time is mind boggling. When the restrictions are eased (as soon as bush is gone) I predict progress will move even faster! Maybe it’s not too late for your loved ones. I hope not!

  230. lindainks55
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

    “Why do the craziest CONs tend to have such a problem they’re compelled to stop one identity and come up with a new one?” Monkeyhawk

    —-

    Good question. Not one I have any answer for. Like the question — why do people who know the least, know it the loudest?

  231. okobserver
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    Precisely Linda will you please stop shouting all of the time. Opinionated doesn’t even cover it for you. I have strong opinions and express them – you on the other hand don’t have the strength of your convictions and try to hide behind inuendo as you just did.

  232. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:39 pm | Permalink

    “lindainks55″ asks the musical question –

    “…why do people who know the least, know it the loudest?”

    That’s funny.

    I’m gonna steal that someday.

    But life is fraught with questions no one can answer. Like:

    Why is the moth attracted to the flame?

    How do the swallows return to Capistrano every year on the same day?

    What is the capital of South Dakota?

    Alas, some questions have no answers.

  233. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

    Welcome back, “okobserver” –

    Where did you vacation?

  234. BlueJay
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

    Old Franklinpaulie is gone okie.

    He was just here for the election.

    SO, I find myself in need of a new soccer ball.

    Eenie meenie minie…..

    Okie!

  235. okobserver
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

    We spent time in Branson taking in the Christmas shows ans doing some Christmas shopping. Beautiful weather. Heading north tomorrow.

  236. lindainks55
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    Isn’t it great!? We’ll get to see that friendship between donndublin and okobserver blossom!

  237. okobserver
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    Don’t have a clue who you are talking about and won’t be blogging for several more days. The left who doesn’t call Chas for his multiple nics has absolutely no right to challenge anyone else for multiple nics though.

    And Jr/Bj/Bluejay is one of yours. What is the big deal. It’s a blog afterall and really not one of the most challenging one intellectually.

    That soapbox you are one Linda just might get slippery.

  238. BlueJay
    Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

    Prison labor taking care of making your living while you “travel” there okie?

    With so little effort, I already know so much about you.

    You are not very bright. You are a bully. You’re old and mean. You exploit community corrections to make you money.

    I’ll put a name on you soon enough.

  239. Posted December 5, 2008 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

    good night; good luck; god bless —-
    whatever you conceive god to be!!

    blessings ALL!!

    blessings on the Great Season!!

    so mote it be!!

  240. BlueJay
    Posted December 6, 2008 at 12:12 am | Permalink

    It’s just past midnight PROGRESSIVE Americans, and another day closer to hope and address of grievances.

  241. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 6, 2008 at 12:21 am | Permalink

    Oh, damn, “okobserver” –

    I know you won’t believe this, but I seriously considered reeling off a lot of Branson-oriented snarks before I simply asked about your vacation.

    I mean, I realize Branson is, well, Branson. And if that’s the kinda stuff you like you’ll like that stuff.

    But I had you pegged.

    I won’t go into my Branson riff right now.

    But I have some personal experiences in Branson and it’s a place that’s open to snark. I know people who are making fine livings on the production/tech end of Branson entertainment and the behind-the-scenes stories are just amazing.

    My favorite quote from a scene-designer: “Branson is what Vegas would be if Hitler had won the war.”

  242. Posted December 6, 2008 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    “My favorite quote from a scene-designer: “Branson is what Vegas would be if Hitler had won the war.””

    That’s a pretty close statement, from all I’ve seen there, when I lived there 11+ years ago…. I got a few stories too!!

  243. janeeyre
    Posted December 6, 2008 at 1:15 am | Permalink

    Monkeyhawn, Yes, they do unshackle the workers and volunteers at the food bank & let them go have lunch. I’ve even heard they let them go to the bathroom now & then (Tuesdays & Thursdays only.) Give them an inch…you know the rest!

  244. Predestined
    Posted December 6, 2008 at 1:22 am | Permalink

    MH,

    I have to raise my hand on the nic-switching, but only because when registration started, I couldn’t use my old nic or anything remotely similar, so I just changed it completely. And I DID announce it, so it wasn’t a covert operation.

  245. Predestined
    Posted December 6, 2008 at 1:23 am | Permalink

    Methinks jane became lost in the moors…

  246. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 6, 2008 at 1:41 am | Permalink

    “janeeyre” –

    No big deal.

    It just seemed, y’know, ironic.

    It’s sorta like the Detroit bailout thing.

    None of the CEOs of GM, Ford, or Chrysler had even a clue it might not be a good idea to fly their private Learjets to Washington when they first begged for $25 Billion dollars.

    It didn’t even occur to them.

    And when they came back this week, they made it look like a supreme self-sacrifice they had to actually “DRIVE” one of the products they make $25 Million dollars a year for.

    It just seems the people at the aforementioned food bank might realize that maybe, perhaps, someone who needs food for the family might have only a lunch break available during the work day to pick up some canned vegetables. And everyone who volunteers at the Food Bank if off somewhere having a Chicken Caesar salad and a glass of Chardonnay.

    I worked for a guy back in the 80s who became an apostle of Peters’ “In Search of Excellence.”

    One of the tiny little lessons in that book was how successful companies had better morale when the parking lot was made First-Come-First-Served.

    No more saved parking places up front for the big-wigs. If you showed up early, you got the primo parking spot. If you were late, you had to walk across the lot.

    My boss happened to come by his premium parking place on merit. He usually was the first guy at work.

    But when he wasn’t, he parked out in the hinterlands and his employees appreciated that.

    I really have no problem with Food Bank staff and volunteers getting an hour off for lunch. They earn it and deserve it. But y’know something? The people who work at Dillon’s eat lunch, too, and somehow they’ve figured out a way to stay open.

    Seems to me a Food Bank might be aware enough to realize there might be some people who need the Food Bank’s services might not be able to show up any time other than their lunch break.

    That’s all.

  247. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 6, 2008 at 1:59 am | Permalink

    “Predestined” –

    I don’t know who you were before. And I don’t care.

    I generally appreciate the contributions to this forum posted under your current nym and have next to no interest in who you were in your previous incarnation.

  248. Posted December 6, 2008 at 2:49 am | Permalink

    I generally appreciate the contributions to this forum posted under your current nym and have next to no interest in who you were in your previous incarnation.

    MH: She wes “RD.” It was, and is, no secret. That’s kinda the point. Don’t misunderstand: I pretty much agree with your philosophy of “nics,” to a degree. But I don’t believe in mandatory blindness. ;-)

    RP_McMurphy, drop me an email, bro, if you don’t mind. We can share a laugh or two!

  249. beber
    Posted December 6, 2008 at 5:43 am | Permalink

    The idea that the “nic” is more important than the content is absurd.

  250. BlueJay
    Posted December 6, 2008 at 7:37 am | Permalink

    Switching nics is indicative of someone with a need to hide from their past posts.

  251. Boxlock20
    Posted December 6, 2008 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    “Switching nics is indicative of someone with a need to hide from their past posts.”

    Whoa BJ, you need a new nic quick!!!