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Celestial Show Set for New Year’s Eve
A delightful display of planets and the moon will occur on New Year’s Eve for anyone wishing to step outside and look up just after sunset.
Venus, brighter than all other planets and stars, will dangle just below the thin crescent moon in the southwestern sky. It’ll be visible — impossible to miss, in fact — just as the sun goes down, assuming skies are cloud-free.
Soon thereafter, Mercury and Jupiter will show up hugging the south-southwestern horizon (just above where the sun went down) and extremely close to each other. Jupiter is very bright and easy to spot; Mercury is faint and harder to see, but it’ll be apparent by its location just to the left of Jupiter.
Jupiter and Mercury will set less than an hour after the sun, so timing your viewing just after sunset is crucial. You’ll also need a location with a clear view of the western horizon, unobstructed by buildings, trees or mountains.
All the planets, along with the moon and sun, traverse an arc across our sky called the ecliptic, which corresponds to the plane in space that they all roughly share. For this reason, you could draw an imaginary line from the general location of Venus and the moon, down through the other two planets, and the line would point to where the sun went down. This line could also initially help you find Jupiter and Mercury.
In fact, already last night the closeness of Venus to the Moon in the southwestern sky was startling. And “M”, thanks for the interesting explanation of the “eliptic” plane as compared to the equatorial plane of the Earth.
“The average age of sexual initiation for both groups was 21, which is higher than the average age of 17 for U.S. teenagers reported by the Kinsey Institute for Research in Sex, Gender and Reproduction at Indiana University in Bloomington. ”
Just like to point out that taking the pledge had nothing to do with the average age of first sex. That’s a misreporting of the study. The groups selected for comparison were matched for attitudes and religious belief. You might be able to say religious chicks start sex later, but you could also conclude religious people are liars. The majority of the sex-having pledgers denied ever taking the pledge. How right wing. And what a telling window into how the religious think.
Religious belief and life conflict, so whenever this occurs, many religious people simply lie. It cause a lot of trouble.
Religion posits moral rules that people are incapable of obeying. Now why would God do that? Maybe heaven is a very, very small place? Taunt, taunt, taunt. Haw, haw, haw.
Since it is New Year’s Eve, please remember, if you should over-indulge in the festivities, please, call a friend, or call a cab… Please dont put your life, or the life of others in danger… Thanks!!
For all the members of P.O.E.M.,
“…the life of others…”
should read: ‘the lives of others’
Oh, so that was Venus huh?
I guess I can quit shooting my 30-30 trying to knock it down.
Speaking of New Years and insanity……
how many of you peeps here have sworn (at least once) to never ever comment here again?
Come on, squeak up you loonies.
You know I can name a few ….
hmmmm……
Hey beeb…..dig through your sock drawer and see if you can find us some long forgotten blotter, windowpane, or anything besides booze.
Hey beeb, there’s many rooms in the big dude’s mansion.
At least the big dude I know.
The stupidity of people never seem to amaze me. Completely drawing a blank that gas prices were over $4 a gallon a couple months ago SUV sales soar as gas prices temporarily drop.
http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-local_suvsales_1230dec30,0,3236578.story
I suppose when the economy improves and gas prices rise again they’ll be the first whining about the prices and wondering why nobody will buy their used SUV.
It’s another reason to raise the gas tax. It’s merely a tax on stupidity.
Guess you aren’t me anymore, eh, RP?
Yes, Maggot. It’s like it never happened. The droolers blinked, and took their Hummers out of the garage to better tailgate Sentras and run over bicycle riders. There was a time, a wonderful time not so long ago, when the streets were quiet and it was safe to ride. Oh, so long ago.
“…jobless benefits dropped by a seasonally adjusted 94,000 to 492,000 for the week ending Dec. 27.
That decline, however, didn’t signal any improvement in labor conditions. The drop — while bigger than economists expected —…”
That’s weird. Usually they are spot on.
“A new study suggests that the answer is no. While teens who take virginity pledges do delay sexual activity until an average age of 21 (compared to about age 17 for the average American teen), the reason for the delay is more likely due to pledge takers’ religious background and conservative views — not the pledge itself.”
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This bears repeating:
“Religious background and conservative views”.
“Religious background and conservative views”.
Instill those in your children if you want them to act responsibly.
They don’t turn out better than anyone else Rhapsody, except it turns them into people who take chastity pledges and lie about it afterwards.
Oh, and who are too stupid to wear a rubber.
Ninty percent of American abortion recipients are Christians.
Wasn’t this year’s lesson that if it’s Brittany Spears teenage sister who is pregnant it is her parent’s fault; if it is Sarah Palin’s teenage daughter who is pregnant we are to celebrate that she chose life, and congratulate her parents for the family values she was taught?
Beber,
Obeying religious rules won’t get anyone into heaven. Eternal life is a GIFT from God. We don’t earn a gift by being a good person, otherwise it wouldn’t be a gift. But just like any other gift, it is up to us to decide if we want to receive it.
“Pledgers had greater levels of religious belief, involvement, Born Again affiliation, more religious parents, and fewer substance-using friends and were more likely to expect marriage before age 25. Pledgers also were disproportionately female, Asian, with foreign-born parents, and had lower Peabody vocabulary test scores.”
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/123/1/e110?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=abstinence&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&volume=123&issue=1&resourcetype=HWCIT
So don’t only inspire religious guilt but make sure they are Asian with immigrant parents and have lower test scores. Funny thing is 82% of pledgers denied taking the pledge. I’m guessing those “religious and conservative values” doesn’t include honesty.
Here’s more from the study:
“More than 90% of abstinence funding does not require that curricula be scientifically accurate,6,9 and a 2004 review found incorrect information in 11 of 13 federally funded abstinence programs, primarily about birth control and condom effectiveness.”
Hmm, the Bush regime spent a billion dollars to promote misinformation and the only end result is more teens are less likely to use contraception. I suppose the religious reich, who thinks lying is a moral value, thinks it’s money well spent.
“outlander” preaches –
“Religious background and conservative views”.
Instill those in your children if you want them to
act responsiblyturn out like Bristol Palin.Good, I can life a live of total evil, but at the last second I can “accept” the gift. Wow, Monique, Praise the Lord. Now that’s a religion I can dig.
Beber, isn’t Christianity great? I can do whatever I want. I can rape, murder, steal, lie and it’s all okay as long as I accept Jesus. No wonder the prisons are chock full of religious people.
No one here has the slightest idea what kind of person Bristol Palin is except that she’s a young mother, joining millions and millions of other young mothers on this sorry and wonderful planet. Godspeed to her and her baby.
Agreed, Maggotpunk. I plan to adopt it on my deathbed.
beber, we know one more thing about Bristol Palin — her Mom used her private life as a political tool. Of all the many choices and ways Sarah Palin could have addressed the rumors of her youngest child not being her own, she chose to spotlight her teenaged daughter’s plight, and subject that young girl with many challenges to the public eye.
BS on the Palin family using Bristol’s pregnancy for political gain.
The story of a pregnant teenage daughter broke almost immediately in the effort to smear the Governor.
Some radical hate sight claims baby Trig is also Bristol’s child in again an effort to smear. One of the most hateful stories I have ever seen. Some of you bought it hook line and sinker as well.
Sarah Palin had no problem bringing Levi to the spotlight and parading him (and Trig) in front of the crowds for political gain.
Yes, how dare a mother bring her children to a political event.
They named the new little bundle of joy “Trip”.
Suggestions for future names for the Palin family illegitimate kids”
Trick, Treat, Tron, Trigger, Trap, Trot line, Trout, and Ingodwe Trust.
Mr_Kia, the first I heard of Bristol Palin’s pregnancy was from her Mom. Guess I didn’t pay as close attention as you did. I waited until I heard the words Sarah Palin spoke on the subject as I thought the rumors to be untrustworthy. It was in defense of the baby Trig tabloid garbage story that Sarah Palin herself told us it was impossible that Bristol was his Mother as she was pregnant and asked us to do the math.
Instead of ignoring that tabloid garbage story or using another way to address it, Sarah Palin used her daughter’s pregnancy to disprove those rumors.
I’m a Mother. I would fight to keep my children protected and especially if they were facing personal challenges that should be private concerns.
“Ingodwe Trust”
Sounds like a good Eskimo name…
Instead of ignoring that tabloid garbage story or using another way to address it, Sarah Palin used her daughter’s pregnancy to disprove those rumors.
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Uh huh. I’m sure the likes of MSNBC would have let her getaway with taking the high road.
Don’t feel too bad for Bristol. She’s being paid $300,000 by People magazine for the rights to the first pics of Tripp. If Bristol’s pregnancy wasn’t exploited by her mom she wouldn’t be getting six figures as a high school drop out.
‘Pacific continues to influence climate’
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2008/pr20081230.html
“2009 is expected to be one of the top-five warmest years on record, despite continued cooling of huge areas of the tropical Pacific Ocean, a phenomenon known as La Niña.
According to climate scientists at the Met Office and the University of East Anglia the global temperature is forecast to be more than 0.4 °C above the long-term average. This would make 2009 warmer than the year just gone and the warmest since 2005.
…
Warmer conditions in 2009 are expected because the strong cooling influence of the recent powerful La Niña has given way to a weaker La Niña. Further warming to record levels is likely once a moderate El Niño develops.”
Both sides are right. The Palins tried to use motherhood for political gain; the left tried to use the daughter’s pregnancy as evidence of the hypocracy of the religious right. Both sides should be kicked in the ovaries, but damn, it was fun. As for the baby’s name, perhaps Trank (for tranquilizer) would have been pretty good. Just what is there about conservative values and hillbilly heroin?
“I’m sure the likes of MSNBC would have let her getaway with taking the high road.”
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I wouldn’t ever choose to be in the public’s eye or expose my family and friends to the judgments of the media, the public… I could hear them now, “That Kansas girl did what??
But if she felt those rumors had to be addressed, using your teenager’s plight instead of actually proving she was Trig’s Mother is about as low as a Mom can go in my books.
Trial, Trader, Traitor, Travesty, Tragedy, Try, Trap, Tramp, Tranq, Trouble, Troll, Trog, Tribble.
Isn’t Trip, Bristol’s older brother’s name? Maybe they are hillbillies, does Bristol have two brothers named Darryl?
Tripp will join his Uncle Track and Uncle Trig in the family with unique names.
I think Bristol’s older brother is named Track.
In case anyone has sincere interest in the background of the children’s names…
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/republican_race/2008/08/30/2008-08-30_whats_in_the_palin_childrens_names_fish_.html
Run Levi, RUN! Seek asylum in the states!
Get what ya can out of it. Have someone help you write a book!
BETTER plan.
Money is gonna pour into the Palins like Hillbillies to a corn shucking.
Get a lawyer to help you write a good prenup. DON’T sign it in crayon! Then, marry her and broom her fast. THEN do the book and go on Springer.
Last night’s Kennedy Center Honors broadcast on CBS was memorable. In fact, it was quite, quite special – for two words: “The” and “Who.” Yes, Roger Daltrey and Pete Townsend were rightly honored for their 40+ years of contribution to the world of music – and what a feast they’ve given us.
Of course, there were two persons missing from last night’s telecast: John Entwistle (bass) and the incomparable Keith Moon (nonpareil drummer). Entwistle died a couple years ago, and Moon died a similar death to that of Heath Ledger’s – in the fall of 1978 after attending a party in memory of Buddy Holly, if my memory serves.
But comedian Jack Black (so hilarious in “Tropic Thunder”) made sure the two deceased musicians were remembered. Vintage footage of the band in its prime provided enduring, poignant images – as did Black’s stirring commentary.
Keith Moon drummed the way Sean Pean acts – with singular skill and power. Both individuals, when at their best, seemed lit from within – something intangible and elusive. But even a cursory listen to Moon’s drumming on “Love, Reign O’er Me” and/or “I Can See For Miles”…..even a casual glance at The Who’s performance on the 1968 Rolling Stones Rock ‘N Roll Circus video, and you’ll see something rather extraordinary.
You’ll see the majestic (and all-too-frequently manaical) Moon at his best. And it’s unforgettable – a bright spot in an otherwise dreary exercise. (Get a load of Yoko Ono dropping her premenopausal load all over Lennon’s searing genius. Befouling “Yer Blues” is darned near unforgivable…..)
Inevitably, Moon’s excesses caught up with him. All things considered, it’s a wonder he lived to the age of 32. But it’s still sad that he and Entwistle weren’t able to be seated with the other honorees last night.
It was deeply affecting to see the grizzled veterans (Townsend and Daltrey) soaking up the accolades last night. These two men, who sometimes sparred vociferously during their long collaboration, have long since worked their way through the miasma and ravages of time: through age, travail, drugs, interpersonal strife, death, etc. – and survived to sit next to one another last night. When the two sixty-ish musicians shook one another’s hands – it conveyed much more than much of the insipid “hippie” rhetoric that now seems dated. It certainly outlasted the copious carnality of the 1960s (anyone remember the Plastic Ono Band? Me neither.)
For that – and the fact that I dearly love The Who at their vintage, Valhallic best – I was profoundly moved by last night’s program.
Townsend is now largely deaf and graying; even Daltrey bears little resemblance to his 1960s rock god persona. Time marches on – for all of us.
But the music of The Who shall endure forever.
There’s a war going on between Israel and the Hamas terrorists, I failed to see any articles in the Eagle about this going on. The link for the real news is here.
http://www.haaretz.com/
I still think Roger Daltrey is hot! Am I really old or what!?!
I’ll never forget him belting out “See Me, Feel Me” with his tight jeans and fringed leather jacket in the film “Woodstock”.
Mary you naughty bulge watcher.
Never too old to look, huh?
Yeah beber, I’m STILL not you.
I’m pretty happy being me for the moment.
Didn’t score any LSD for this evening did you?
Me either. Damn.
Been so long, I’m not even sure kids take it anymore.
Where the hell is ED at?
He should be here ranting about Zionists ! !
A great post for the AGW deniers who claim that 2008 was the end of global warming.
‘Stupid is as stupid does‘
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/12/31/stupid-is-as-stupid-does/
I bought a leather jacket just like his…sold it at a garage sale years ago..still kicking myself over that, but I needed the money. We can be so stupid when we’re young. Anyway, I love the music of The Who. “Magic Bus” is my all time favorite.
Ta-ta-ta-ta talkin bout a muh-muh-muh my…
I can assure you RP kids still take it. The last time I had some I was going to drive the pickup to the bar, so stoned as hell, I jacked up the truck, and as I pulled the tire, saw a big rattler curled up underneath. It was real, not a hallucination. But I did decide just to stay home.
*Provide the energy source(s) explaining the recent rise in ocean heat content.
THE SUN!
Cos,
Not a word about the AGW effect.
“Phenomena such as El Niño and La Niña have a significant influence on global surface temperature.”
At a recent reunion with old college friends (emphasis on “old”) someone brought out old copies of The Vortex, one of the underground newspapers.
Every issue had a column on the drugs available in town. Hot- and cold-running acid (windowpane, blotter, etc.), cilicybin, peyote buttons, $35-an-ounce Colombian weed (”has red hairs and makes you cough”) $15-an-ounce K-Pot, mescaline, white crosses, Easter Eggs, ‘Ludes….
Those were the days.
I wish I could remember them.
My drugs of choice during college were Chesterfield 101s and Olympia beer (back when it was still brewed in Tumwater). Nectar of the gods. These days, if you can find it, it’s Hamm’s in a yellow can. Sic transit gloria.
I did a hit of mescaline once. We went to the drive-in movies. Haley Mills’ “In Search of the Castaways” was the late-night oldie and I was smitten. She made it just when she was starting to, ahem, “blossom,” and I ran down to the playground beneath the screen, sat on the merry-go-round and tried to look up her shirt.
Later that night I was dissuaded by my
keepersfriends to refrain from my urge to ask a cop to dance.We came back to my place and played the first King Crimson album about 400 times. (Did you know that album cover was animated? It was that night.)
Mescaline made me feel like a three-year-old all over again. Everything was new! Everything was fascinating! Haven’t even heard of it being around for decades, now. Although I’m told Ecstasy is sort of like that.
Alas, those early days of consciousness-expansion eventually turned into a market for whatever fux you up. Kinda sad.
I never had an appetite for downers. ‘Ludes, opiates, Seconal, all were available. Just wasn’t my thing. And most speed puts me to sleep. Go figure.
I think it is human nature to seek an altered state of consciousness. Look at that merry-go-round on the drive-in theatre playground: it exists only to make kids dizzy. And if there’s no playground around, kids’ll spin themselves on the lawn ’til they fall down goofy. Meanwhile, their parents sip micro-brews, chardonnay, and Jäger-Bombs on the patio in between telling their kids, “Just say no to drugs.”
Happy New Year y’all on this the last day of the man-made time construct known globally as the year 2008, which is 2,008 years since the supposed birth in the Mid-East of a wandering desert prophet known as Jesus. Some call him the Messiah, others think he was just another prophet , albeit an influential one.
His followers have created a worldwide religion known as Christianity. There has been fighting between it and other man-made religions ever since. Everybody is convinced to the point of fanatical savagery that theirs is the one true belief system and will fight to their, and other’s, death to prove it.
Winston Churchill, my main English language man, described a fanatic as a person who won’t change the subject and who won’t shut up. I should have half his facility with words.
And because Christians are a pushy lot, even though the Jews and various Oriental cultures have their own way of measuring the years completely different from Christians, the world in general goes by the Christian version of numbering years. Which can create problems. For instance, in today’s comic strip a man complains: “As a Jewish Chinese-American, I don’t know when to celebrate the New Year.”
Rosh Hashanah is the first and second days of the first Jewish month of Tishrei. It marks the beginning of the Jewish new year which this year was Sept. 20, or the Jewish year cycle 5758 (It is a little more complicated than that, but it’s as far as I’m going with it.)
For the Chinese, Wikipedia tells us: “According the standard adopted by the earlier government of ROC (Republic of China), the year CE 2008 is Huangdi Era 4706. In the Gregorian calendar, Chinese New Year falls on different dates each year, a date between January 21 and February 20. (It too gets complicated, but you can look it up yourselves. I was, by the way, born in the year of the snake.)
Congratulate yourselves, folks. You survived another one.
Dennis
Thanks guys!
A Monkeyhawk post followed by a YellowdogLiberal post — you absolutely can’t get better than that! Monkeyhawk once told me he didn’t write for my entertainment, but he was wrong on that one. Not only do you two entertain, you edify. ;-)
Thank you Albert Hoffman!
It’s been ten years since my final LSD rendezvous and though I’ll never do it again, it was a beautiful thing…until it wasn’t. It opened my eyes and I used to think that everyone should have to take a trip once. Nowadays, I spend my recreational money on good Humboldt County, medicinal-quality puffies. Kind of sucks though, cause I promised the kids’ (for Christmas) that I would quit smoking tobacco…and in order for that to be successful, I gotta quit smoking altogether. Dammit. I’d still eat some psilocybin though, tonight would have been a good night for that. And if ever given the opportunity, Ayahuasca is on my to-do list, I’ve heard nothing but good things about it.
Meth dealers still need to be shot.
As with all other thoroughbreds, my birthday is January 1st.
There’s an old wives’ tale about how you can calculate a horse’s age by counting its teeth.
That makes me 30 years old tomorrow (two wisdom teeth removed). Yeah, I’ll take that.
(Or 29, depending how horse people figure crowns in their formula.)
Are there horse dentists? How do they get their patients in the chair?
cosmos_originally
Posted December 30, 2008 at 7:02 pm | Permalink
But donndublin’s AGW denial non-science requires op-eds, blogs, fossil-fuel funded think(sic) tanks, Sen. Inhofe (R-Oil) “650 list”, etc. And lots of stupid attacks, like:
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Your source, http://tamino.wordpress.com, is a fraud Cos.
http://www.climatechangefraud.com/content/view/2645/218/
The fossil-fuel industry has pocket change compared to the carbon credit trading, General Electric and hundreds of other industries that are getting tax credits while the fossil fuel companies are being taxed to make up the difference.
Follow the money stupid.
donndublin posted December 31, 2008 at 11:27 am
*Provide the energy source(s) explaining the recent rise in ocean heat content.
THE SUN!
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http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/12/open-thread-1230/#comment-493522
I must admit, I watched “An Inconvenient Truth” the other night and it was quite compelling. I’m still researching on my own, as usual, but I thought that while on vacation, I’d watch the thing. I’m not completely convinced, but if his graphs are to be believed, it’s pretty eye-opening. I’m glad that I watched it as it has given me more things to worry about. Thanks Algore, but your wife is still a c**t. The PMRC from a “liberal”???? The Washington Wives…jeeez.
donndublin osted December 31, 2008 at 11:59 am
cosmos_originally
Posted December 30, 2008 at 7:02 pm | Permalink
But donndublin’s AGW denial non-science requires op-eds, blogs, fossil-fuel funded think(sic) tanks, Sen. Inhofe (R-Oil) “650 list”, etc. And lots of stupid attacks, like:
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Your source, http://tamino.wordpress.com, is a fraud Cos.
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Thank you donndublin, for another stupid attack.
Meth dealers still need to be shot.
Simply the natural result of the War on (Some) Drugs.
Take a shot of whiskey, take a puff of nicotine and forget about it. It’ll all show up in your urine, but the Man doesn’t care, yet. If you’re a raging drunk on your own time or emphysema-waiting-to happen, that’s too politically incorrect to pursue, for now.
And if you overdue the whiskey, have a nice cup of legal speed to clear your head (beats the hell out of meth!).
And the great thing is that our corporate masters love to hook their employees on caffeine!
The PMRC from a “liberal”???? The Washington Wives…jeeez.
For those who don’t remember:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ZAppa+Pmrc&search_type=
I realize the man was in a bad position but that crap, unfortunately, will always be a black mark in Gore’s legacy.
The United Nations is going to consider an insane resolution, pushed by several Islamic states (this is the context of the recent ironically challenged comments from Saudi Arabia).
Here is the resolution:
http://www.eyeontheun.org/assets/attachments/documents/HRC_4th_session_defamation_of_religion_3-23-07_draft_res.DOC
Basically, the idea is that criticism of religion is conflated with “hate speech”, and the resolution, among other things:
“Urges States to take resolute action to prohibit the dissemination of racist
and xenophobic ideas and material aimed at any religion or its followers that
constitute incitement racial and religious hatred, hostility or violence;”
Here is a petition against this nonsense.
http://www.petitiononline.com/blasphmy/petition.html
Tolerance includes tolerance for freedom of expression. Period.
P.S. Do revenooerrrs collect “overdue” whiskey?
Aargh. Caffeine!
Here is a petition against this nonsense.
Thanks, Aggie.
Can we all pretty much agree this resolution sucks, folks?
donndublin posted December 31, 2008 at 11:59 am
cosmos_originally
Posted December 30, 2008 at 7:02 pm | Permalink
But donndublin’s AGW denial non-science requires op-eds, blogs, fossil-fuel funded think(sic) tanks, Sen. Inhofe (R-Oil) “650 list”, etc. And lots of stupid attacks, like:
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The fossil-fuel industry has pocket change compared to the carbon credit trading, General Electric and hundreds of other industries that are getting tax credits while the fossil fuel companies are being taxed to make up the difference.
Follow the money stupid.
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Two decades ago, carbon credit trading was much bigger than the fossil-fuel industry? Nope!
Two decades ago, most of donndublin’s misinformation public relations groups formed.
‘Global Warming Skeptic Organizations‘
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/global_warming_contrarians/global-warming-skeptic.html
donndublin,
And thank you for another “stupid attack”, re carbon credit trading.
Here’s another nice bit of nonsense from the resolution:
“Emphasizes that everyone has the right to freedom of expression, which
should be exercised with responsibility and may therefore be subject to limitations as provided by law and necessary for respect of the rights or reputations of others, protection of national security or of public order, public health or morals and respect for religions and beliefs;
Any questions about what the actual agenda of the authors of this resolution is?
Well, Pleef, meth is nasty stuff, dealt by nasty people. That’s what you get when it’s all illegal, immoral, and fattening.
“Can we all pretty much agree this resolution sucks, folks? — Rage
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Yes!
I can see it being used as “the solution” to many imagined problems.
Indeed Rage.
Thanks for the Zappa link, that man was and always will be ahead of his time. On another note, Dweezil pulled off the “Zappa Does Zappa” gig, brilliantly.
“Any questions about what the actual agenda of the authors of this resolution is?” — Agnatha
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Would seem to go along with the desire to rewrite the Constitution to more closely mimic the Bible.
Wow! Our CEO just gave us all the afternoon off early for the holiday! He said that he knew many of us wanted to complete our final 2008 financials and donations for the year, so he let us go home.
I work in an office with very conservative people. And everyone knows that conservatives are more compassionate by giving more in donations and even giving more blood to the Red Cross than liberals.
Conservatives walk the talk.
Happy New Year to everyone!
“I work in an office with very conservative people. And everyone knows that conservatives are more compassionate by giving more in donations and even giving more blood to the Red Cross than liberals.
“Conservatives walk the talk.”
And this, folks, is classic trolling.
“I just insulted you libruls. Take the baaaaaaaait!”
“American_Way
Posted December 31, 2008 at 12:34 pm | Permalink
…I work in an office with very conservative people. And everyone knows that conservatives are more compassionate by giving more in donations and even giving more blood to the Red Cross than liberals.
Conservatives walk the talk.”
LMAO!!
“But hey, I did wish you all, including you skinflint libruls, a Happy New Year, so what’s the problem?”
Intentional irony, the weapon of trolls everywhere.
No (more) soup for you!
Don’t be insulted Agnatha. You can always go down the Red Cross and give blood. You also can find a worthy charitable organization and donate your time or money.
It’s not trolling to post facts. If you feel guilty, because the shoe fits, well that’s a personal problem.
Conservatives wear funny hats and smell bad.
Agnatha
You are posting things which are not contained within my one lonely post. You are stretching and changing what I actually posted to fit your own agenda.
What do you call that?
Posted this on the wrong thread…
Will Israel strike Iran before the inauguration? What will Obama’s reaction be? Will Iran strike Israel other than through Hamas?
Will there be retaliation for Iranian students overtaking the British embassy?
“But the idea that liberals give more is a myth. Of the top 25 states where people give an above-average percentage of their income, all but one (Maryland) were red — conservative — states in the last presidential election.
“When you look at the data,” says Syracuse University professor Arthur Brooks, “it turns out the conservatives give about 30 percent more. And incidentally, conservative-headed families make slightly less money.”
Researching his book, “Who Really Cares”, Brooks found that the conservative/liberal difference goes beyond money:
“The people who give one thing tend to be the people who give everything in America. You find that people who believe it’s the government’s job to make incomes more equal, are far less likely to give their money away.”
Conservatives are even 18 percent more likely to donate blood.”
John Stossel
Why does giving have to be a left/right issue? Do you need a “pat on the back”?
Well here you go, “good job” on your giving.
Here’s my take (although I am not a Neo-Christian, I’ll still cite it):
Matthew 6:6 (King James Version)
“But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly”.
Exactly the reason for my hatred of the Contemporary “Christian”. You get together so all can see how pious each of you are.
Hey if it’s not in your paycheck it’s not your money.
“Any questions about what the actual agenda of the authors of this resolution is?” — Agnatha
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Would seem to go along with the desire to rewrite the Constitution to more closely mimic the Bible.”
Wrong Linda, the actual agenda of the authors of this resolution, whom are MUSLIMS, is to stop talking about Islamic Terrorists as ISLAMIC Terrorists. Has nothing to do with the US CONSTITUTION, or the BIBLE. Before you throw the stone, perhaps you should look where you are throwing.
What does the fact that Conversatives give more in resources to charity than Liberals have to do with Christianity?
“Will Israel strike Iran before the inauguration? What will Obama’s reaction be?”
Sol we already know or can imagine the answer.
During the present Israeli attack, Obama said, “We are studying it closely and hope for peace.”
Obama has previously said he would meet for direct talks with the President of Iran (who just last week attended a rally which was advocating the complete destruction of Israel.).
So, from what we know, I’m guessing Obama is going to ask Ahmadinejad to attend a picnic on the white house lawn w/Shimon Peres.
Obama will serve up kabob torsh, some kosher falafel, and fried chicken.
http://prodos.thinkertothinker.com/wp-content/photos/israel_defence_force.jpg
“Exactly the reason for my hatred of the Contemporary “Christian”. You get together so all can see how pious each of you are.
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Perhaps, perhaps they are following this verse
“Not forsaking the assembling of yourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching” (Hebrews 10:25).
“Why does giving have to be a left/right issue?”
Because liberals have labelled conservatives as “uncaring” “evil” rich people claiming their own democrats as the more compassionate party.
But it turns out, democrats are only more compassionate – with other peoples money!
This is a very interesting article on “service animals” and the concerns of using non-canine service animals:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/04/magazine/04Creatures-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp
American_Way
Posted December 31, 2008 at 12:57 pm | Permalink
“Why does giving have to be a left/right issue?”
Because liberals have labelled conservatives as “uncaring” “evil” rich people claiming their own democrats as the more compassionate party.
But it turns out, democrats are only more compassionate – with other peoples money!
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And only when they get to decide who is worthy of it!
Wrong Linda, the actual agenda of the authors of this resolution, whom are MUSLIMS, is to stop talking about Islamic Terrorists as ISLAMIC Terrorists.
Of course, the language would apply equally if someone was talking about Christian Terrorists as CHRISTIAN Terrorists.
P.S. Not all of the resolution is bad, actually (persecution of MUSLIMS is a real and undesirable thing), just the sections that attack free speech.
From the ‘Resolution’:
8. Also urges States to provide, within their respective legal and constitutional systems, adequate protection against acts of hatred, discrimination, intimidation and coercion resulting from defamation of religions
9. Urges all States to ensure that all public officials, including members of
law enforcement bodies, the military, civil servants and educators, in the course of their official duties, respect different religions and beliefs and do not discriminate against persons on the grounds of their religion or belief, and that any necessary and appropriate education or training is provided
Actually, for tonight I was thinking of eating, drinking and being merry!
“Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.”
Maybe ‘equal protection under the law’ should be exactly what it says?
And now that I know Obama and the democrats controlling congress are NOT going to quickly end any of the tax breaks, I don’t have to make any last minute changes this year. Obama is being quiet about it – because democrats have always said how rich people need to share some of that money and how it would be good for our country and economy to tax the hell out of them.
But now, during a real crises – the truth is, that democrats KNOW it is bad economics to raise taxes.
Campaign promises broken.
Obama, “We need that trickle down…” (not exact quote.)
“Two decades ago, carbon credit trading was much bigger than the fossil-fuel industry? Nope!”
There you go again Cos lying by taking my comment out of context. Why did you make up a statement like that and attribute them to me? You must really be scraping the bottom. You ignored the dozens of other industries and companies like GE that will get tax credits for coming up with frivolous schemes. As an engineer I could think of dozens of schemes that won’t do a damn thing to affect the climate but you would buy it in a heartbeat.
I doubt the carbon trading industry was around two decades ago. It is now in its infancy and if the neo-eco-fascists have their way it will soon be a trillion dollar industry paying little or no taxes while the fossil fuel industry will be taxed out of existence. Exxon-Mobile alone paid $11.3 billion in taxes on its $14.8 billion profit the last quarter. You must have on idea how taxes affect the bottom line. Do you pay taxes or do you still live with your parents?
The biggest neo-eco-fascist organization is the IPCC that is sponsored by the Anti American United Nations. You seem to think the IPCC is the high priest of the earth. They allow China and India to skate while trying to force the US to capitulate to their Draconian changes. The AGW crowd encourage crazies like you to commit atrocities against populations and denying the developing world efficient energy sources. We won’t have to wait a hundred years to see mankind destroyed because it could happen much sooner.
American_Way posted December 31, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Because liberals have labelled conservatives as “uncaring” “evil” rich people claiming their own democrats as the more compassionate party.
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More conservatives than liberals deny AGW science, and try to block solutions. Not being concerned about our own future, and future generations, is probably the ultimate “uncaring” and “evil”.
“Because we don’t think about future generations, they will never forget us.” Henrik Tikkanen
damn beeber, sounds like a good time?
I’m not so sure.
I don’t care for vivid hallucinations, myself.
A NYT article for MonkeyHawk and others:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/magazine/28hofmann-t.html?scp=1&sq=LSD&st=cse
samkan
Posted December 10, 2008 at 9:59 am | Permalink
In short, absent specific, detailed objections (and we all have those), why would you give money to Sam, but not to Uncle Sam? Do you really think private charities can-–or should–-do it all?
The economic reality is that every week there are more and more people on the edge and in desperate need of help. If we allow them to fail because of lack of basic necessities like food, they then become a burden on the taxpayer. We attempt to do everything we do without any government assistance, but our dollars only go so far. The larger agencies such as Interfaith have many more resources to help more people.. that is why I also support their cause. But, even they run out of resources at some point, and as much as I dislike government programs, at that point they become necessary. I have seen people in the lines that I see at work, they are not jobless, they are not addicts or bums. They are your neighbors and mine.
“American_Way” struts –
“.. many of us wanted to complete our final 2008 financials and donations for the year…
Conservatives
walk the talkwait until the absolute last minute on December 31st to squeeze out any tax deduction they possibly can.OK, a little more soup.
1) Brooks is hardly a disinterested party. Guess who is going to take over the American Enterprise Institute in 2009?
2) Stossel is a joke.
3) There are numerous flaws in Brooks’ analyses. In particular, identifying who is more “generous” is much more difficult than it appears on its face. And given this, much of Brooks’ claims become outrageously unsupportable (e.g., his claim that those who support “income redistribution” are less generous than those who oppose it). Brooks does not distinguish between those who “give” to directly benefit the poor versus art philanthropy, university philanthropy, and religious philanthropy.
Personally, I suspect there are generous and skin flint people among all groups.
But Stossel and Brooks both have liberarian and fiscally conservative agendas.
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American_Way
Posted December 31, 2008 at 12:57 pm | Permalink
“Why does giving have to be a left/right issue?”
Because liberals have labelled conservatives as “uncaring” “evil” rich people claiming their own democrats as the more compassionate party.
But it turns out, democrats are only more compassionate – with other peoples money!
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They like to talk the talk but not walk the walk.
Obama gives about 1% of his income. The average person gives more than Biden and Pelosi gives to the elite San Francisco Art museum and Philharmonic orchestra.
P.S. Sam has mentioned, quite rightly, that a bureaucracy is no substitute for caring people.
But I think, for some, the important distinction between a private charity and public assistance is you can always decline to give, and no one will ever know or care.
I guess I can’t get past the term “Christian Conservative”.
donndublin posted December 31, 2008 at 1:12 pm
I doubt the carbon trading industry was around two decades ago.
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Two decades ago, most of donndublin’s misinformation public relations groups formed.
‘Global Warming Skeptic Organizations‘
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/global_warming_contrarians/global-warming-skeptic.html
Their techniques and personnel (some from the tobacco industry) are still active today.
By the way, if it wasn’t clear, the above samkan post was his on Dec 10th, not mine:
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/12/open-thread-1210/#comment-481735
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cosmos_originally
Posted December 31, 2008 at 1:13 pm | Permalink
American_Way posted December 31, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Because liberals have labelled conservatives as “uncaring” “evil” rich people claiming their own democrats as the more compassionate party.
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More conservatives than liberals deny AGW science, and try to block solutions. Not being concerned about our own future, and future generations, is probably the ultimate “uncaring” and “evil”.
“Because we don’t think about future generations, they will never forget us.” Henrik Tikkanen
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Cos
The best thing you can do for the world is to turn off your computer and not breath to completely eliminate you carbon foot print.
Walk the walk dude.
“But the music of The Who shall endure forever.”
The best concert I ever saw was The Who in ArrowHead stadium in the late 80’s.
There was a DJ from T-95 riding the same tour bus I did and he told the amusing story of how he saw Townsend back stage before the concert and wished him luck. Townsend replied, “Well thank you, but that won’t be necessary.”
lindainks55
Posted December 31, 2008 at 1:07 pm | Permalink
Maybe ‘equal protection under the law’ should be exactly what it says?
I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with “hate crime” legislation of all types.
“Conservatives walk the talk wait until the absolute last minute on December 31st to squeeze out any tax deduction they possibly can.”
What’s the problem Monkeyhawk? So what? It’s legal? I don’t do ALL my giving on 31 December. Only when I feel I have a little more extra that I can freely give away to the charity of MY choice.
That doesn’t change the fact that conservatives give MORE freely than do liberals.
You are trying to make something ugly that isn’t.
donndublin posted December 31, 2008 at 1:12 pm
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donndublin posted December 31, 2008 at 1:24 pm
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And thank you again donndublin, for more “stupid attacks”. You wouldn’t have to keep doing that, if you had any science to support your false beliefs.
Dublin if Cos did that what would you do? I kind of wonder if you would miss him since 90% of your comments are attacking him.
Cos, that’s because the IPCC censors their studies.
“More conservatives than liberals deny AGW science”
cosmos_originally you have a link to that?
And what the heck does that have to do with conservatives clearly being more charitable and giving in way of their money, and blood than liberals?
You working another label to box conservatives in with?
Let me see the link and while you are at it, the fact that people dare to disagree with the rest, makes them any LESS compassionate.
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DavosRancheros
Posted December 31, 2008 at 1:27 pm | Permalink
Dublin if Cos did that what would you do? I kind of wonder if you would miss him since 90% of your comments are attacking him.
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Davos, That’s because 99.9% of his posts are based on junk. I would post about something more worthwhile than fiction.
That doesn’t change the fact that conservatives give MORE freely than do liberals.
AW, Agnatha just handed you your ass upthread. Go fetch it.
I don’t know any conservatives that deny climate change. The debate is in its cause.
Like I said before Cos, I’ve forgotten more science than you’ve read, let alone comprehend.
Simply an observation, “American_Way” –
…that you CONs game the system just as effectively as your worst fantasy of a welfare queen.
“It’s legal”
And if we were to make your tithes and “love offerings” to televangelists and twice-born CON-men non tax-deductible, a lot of mega-churches would go tits up.
Hundreds of millions of dollars worth of tax-deductible “donations to charity” were spent by Dobson’s “Focus on the Family” outfit and the Mormon Church for no other reason than to deprive a targeted minority of their constitutional rights.
How proud you must be.
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Mr_Kia
Posted December 31, 2008 at 1:33 pm | Permalink
I don’t know any conservatives that deny climate change. The debate is in its cause.
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Cos will attack anyone who does not bow down to the IPCC, Algore and their prophet the ASSUMING computer models he worships as scientists.
“donndublin” admits brain deterioration with –
“…I’ve forgotten more science…”
And it shows.
donndublin posted December 31, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Cos, that’s because the IPCC censors their studies.
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The IPCC compiles published papers.
The IPCC can not “censor” what is published. If you have the science to refute AGW, you can publish it.
AGW science was fairly strong by the mid-1980’s, and the IPCC did not publish their 1st report until 1990.
“Wrong Linda, the actual agenda of the authors of this resolution, whom are MUSLIMS, is to stop talking about Islamic Terrorists as ISLAMIC Terrorists. Has nothing to do with the US CONSTITUTION, or the BIBLE. Before you throw the stone, perhaps you should look where you are throwing.”
Their aim (to protect the reputation of Islamic terrorists) is hardly that narrow. This is an effort to stifle criticism of the tenants of a faith, or more accurately the specific tenants of specific variations of a faith. Such criticism, in the eyes of true believers, is indistinguishable from “hate speech” (we see several self proclaimed Christian bloggers here who fail to make the distinction between criticism and “hate speech”).
It is one thing to falsely claim that all Muslims are terrorists or terrorists sympathizers (and even then, there are remedies in a free society both for actions that might result from believing such nonsense, and for replying to the nonsense itself-i.e. using the same free speech rights to refute the nonsense). It is quite another to say that criticism of claims arising from the faith itself is “hate speech”. Remember the reaction to Danish cartoons containing Mohommad. Unfortunately, there was widespread belief that such cartoons should be illegal, and the reaction would have been the same if Mohommad had been portrayed positively in those cartoons, because it is against the tenants of the faith to portray the prophet in an image at all.
In a free society, there is no right to not have one’s sensibilities offended. And yes, the resolution is being pushed by Muslims with Islamist beliefs. They believe that there is nothing wrong with limiting freedoms to protect their faith. However, not all Muslims are Islamists, not all Islamists, or even most, are terrorists, any more than most Christians are Christian Right Activists, most Christian Right activists are Christian Reconstructionists, or most Christian Reconstructionists are Christian Reconstructionist terrorists. But the ideology, which is “our faith” should be specially accomodated, is still a threat to the freedom of conscience for people everywhere. And that’s true no matter what the faith in question is.
donndublin posted December 31, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Cos will attack anyone who does not bow down to the IPCC, Algore and their prophet the ASSUMING computer models he worships as scientists.
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More dumb lies and “stupid attacks” from donndublin.
donndublin can not refute the many decades of AGW science done scientists worldwide, so he attacks the ‘messengers’, and the models.
BTW: The reports from the IPCC are conservative, and also several years out-of-date.
That there damned global warning gives me a mybrain headache.
The ‘jawless fish’ writes:
But the ideology, which is “our faith” should be specially accomodated, is still a threat to the freedom of conscience for people everywhere.
And, lesser mammals, notwithstanding, who can spell ‘accommodated’ correctly.
Regarding this resolution, call them what they are.
What are the reasons for their acts?
“And if we were to make your tithes and “love offerings” to televangelists and twice-born CON-men non tax-deductible, a lot of mega-churches would go tits up.”
I never, ever, never, ever mentioned religion on the subject of my making charitable donations, now did I? Me thinks you are stereotyping Monkeyhawk.
Because ACORN gets donations too, as do many, many worthy organizations. You cut out one persons charity – they all become eligible right?
http://67.199.18.100/ForCharities.cfm
http://www.opm.gov/cfc/opmmemos/2008/2008-06.asp
Steven, your article is very interesting.
I definitely have concerns about some animals being used as service animals (particularly monkeys and other, especially intelligent, animals which are not truly domesticated), but a one size fits all solution needs to be avoided.
You all DO see the link to the American Red Cross in the upper corner, don’t you?
http://www.redcrosshometownheroes.org/
There is a reason they are advertising on the weblog…….
Of course, only conservatives will go there (ARC)……
“And, lesser mammals, notwithstanding, who can spell ‘accommodated’ correctly.”
Re: Regular
(sing along with me now)
DNFTT
Yes but the far radical left wishes to remove the 501-C-3 status from churches and religious organizations.
What would that do for the homeless and hungry?
A huge majority of food banks, soup kitchens and homeless shelters are funded or an arm of a religious organization.
Start the new year off right. Give blood.
End the conservatives vast right wing conspiracy to give more blood than liberals.
It’s all blue and red….
Call em! You can party later.
Spelling accommodated gives me a mybrain hayed-ayke.
Giving blood gives me a mybrain hayed-ayke.
Agnatha
Agnatha seems fixated with trolls. Heck Agnatha, if you call everyone who disagrees with YOUR views a troll, who ya gonna post with?
You remind me of another poster here…..
When you call the ARC to give blood, make sure you tell em you read about it on the WEBLOG.
Heck, we can establish a reputation for us ALL!!
Click on the upper right corner link and at least read.
If you go downtown at the right time, you can see the drug addicts who just sold their blood to get dope. If you want to enjoy being cruel, tell them you can get them some good dope.
Take the blood money and run.
Thanks, Linda.
Ah aims to please.
Dennis
Actually, I call the authors of specific posts trolls, and it has little to do with whether I “agree” or “disagree” with the content.
Trolling is posting for the purpose of getting responses, usually outraged responses. Your later post arguing that conservatives give more than liberals using material from Brooks as relayed by the odious loudmouth John Stossel was not trolling (which is why I responded to it), but the post I labeled as trolling (where you turned an announcement that you got off work early into a potshot at liberals for being less generous than conservatives before ending it with a “Happy New Year everybody”, WAS trolling). I stand by what I said.
As for Regular, when he is trolling (and not EVERY post of his is trolling), I suspect he not only knows what he is doing, he is proud of it.
I suspect that the guy you are comparing me with is someone I have labeled not only as a troll, but troll bait (someone who can’t seem to resist responding to the most outrageous trolling with, well, outrage, which makes trolls fat and happy).
Yes but the far radical left wishes to remove the 501-C-3 status from churches and religious organizations.
Really? Who’s that?
P.S. FYI, Kia, religious charities have to keep separate books from the parent organization.
Please don’t talk to me about generosity. When is the last time any of you gave change to a beggar or a ride to a hitchhiker, or rescued a stray cat.
sold their blood to get dope
There are many reasons people give blood. Some in college gave blood to get $15 back in the day. Someone who cannot afford to give money to charity, can always give blood. So there are many reasons to give blood.
There really are only a few reasons NOT to give.
And donations to a church might be tax deductible, but they aren’t charity. You’re paying the salary of your fat preacher and for the upkeep of the church, and the continuation of religious indoctrination to helpless mostly overfed children. In addition, there’s no fucking way you can know who in a red state or a blue state is giving to charity. Again, you don’t put down your ideological status on a tax form, or on the check you sent to the Salvation Army. And besides, Americans Pay, this shit has been debunked on this very blog a hundred times before, yet you keep bringing it up like the trained rat you are. Talk about helper animals.
Have any idea what the “Salvation” in Salvation Army means?
“rescued a stray cat.”
Why’s it have to be a cat? Why not a dog, monkey, crow, bluebird, or maybe even a cow.
There are an estimated 25 million wild feral cats in America. They carry disease and destroy song bird nests and other natural wildlife.
Cats really don’t belong in the same category with the others; “a beggar or a ride to a hitchhiker”.
Besides, who picks up hitchhikers these days? Maybe if I was carrying a concealed weapon, but most people don’t pick up hitchhikers. I could be wrong, but I don’t think so.
I know I’m right about cats. Save stray dogs or maybe cows. But not a cat.
“but they aren’t charity”
Funny, on my tax forms my church is listed under charitable donations. It’s in the 1040 long form book too. Hmmmmmmm. You must be wrong about this.
You would know if you were a red conservative and gave to charities like the rest of us do. Then you too, would be filling out that part of the 1040…
Rage
Posted December 31, 2008 at 2:15 pm | Permalink
Yes but the far radical left wishes to remove the 501-C-3 status from churches and religious organizations.
Really? Who’s that?
—————————————————-No elected officials that I know of. Just a bunch of idiot bloggers.
A Church is as much a charity as the United Way if not more so.
“American_Way
Posted December 31, 2008 at 2:01 pm | Permalink
Start the new year off right. Give blood.
End the conservatives vast right wing conspiracy to give more blood than liberals.
It’s all blue and red….
Call em! You can party later.”
Well, my name is on their wall as a frequent donor ‘back in the day’ but I can’t donate any more. My liberal son and liberal wife both do however.
“Then you too, would be filling out that part of the 1040…”
I do fill out that part of the 1040. Church-related gifts and also non-church related.
“American_Way
Posted December 31, 2008 at 2:38 pm | Permalink”
Why do you care to brag about your contributions to charity? Do you think we think higher of you because you donated money to your church?
Lots of people do that, conservative, liberal, independant, hell, even socialists.
Remember what the Bible taught about standing on the street corner and proclaiming your good deeds for all to hear (metaphorically)…
“you don’t put down your ideological status on a tax form, or on the check you sent to the Salvation Army.”
And I have found that Catholic Charities happily accepts my money – even though I am not a Catholic.
And God bless you and yours bth.
It doesn’t hurt, the workers are nice and friendly, and I promise you will meet other good people giving along side you. (did I mention cookies and snacks?)
Anyway, as you walk out smiling, everyone leaving with you have this same feeling inside.
I just hope some liberal gets my blood. Some of me has GOT to rub off somewhere. It sure as heck ain’t on this blog!
Do you think we think higher of you because you donated money to your church?
Go read again. I initially posted about giving to charities. Then, I provided two links to a great website to VERIFY the charitable organizations record. Then someone posted about a charitable contribution to a CHURCH is not charity. So I posted back to that person citing the 1040 form and where you list churches (under Charitable Donations).
No bragging. Just posting. And I cannot help it if research proves conservatives give MORE financially and with blood than liberals?
You are shooting the messenger. Not the prophet.
“Please don’t talk to me about generosity. When is the last time any of you gave change to a beggar or a ride to a hitchhiker, or rescued a stray cat.:
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Talking about good deeds takes away some of the joy. I won’t talk to you (or anyone else) about generosity.
Outside donations to political groups, when does ones political philosophy enter into giving? Do those you give to ask about that? How are these studies done?
I heard in Illinois, there is no dollar limit on political donations. I wonder how many states that is true in?
“Please don’t talk to me about generosity. When is the last time any of you gave change to a beggar or a ride to a hitchhiker, or rescued a stray cat.:
Actually I have two stray cats that I adopted and I routinely give money and time to those who need help. But it doesn’t count when you talk about it. Maybe conservatives just like to brag more about their charitable giving…otherwise why else would they do it? Or perhaps maybe they’re trying to buy their way into heaeven?
As a general rule, they certainly don’t seem to have much compassion for their fellow human.
Here is a link to Stoessel’s story on generosity
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2682730&page=1
I generally like Stoessel’s work. However, it seems to be a stretch to take the results of his experiment in this case and use it to make a blanket statement that Conservatives give more generously to charity than Liberals.
AmWay – they used to have real good sloppy joes down at the blood center. I was a regular back then.
A funny on giving blood: When I was an undergrad we had blood drives at school and would all show up carrying our briefcases. Then, after we gave the blood and they escorted us over to the snack table … out came the six-packs! And I don’t mean Pepsi!
gawd beber is so bright and informed…………religious people just lie according to all his inside knowledge
Well I gotta run. Need to hit the post office to get these last checks post marked 31 December, 2008.
No checks to either political party. No church either. My personal favorite is one I personally KONW is helping others:
http://www.semperfifund.org/about.html
Then it’s a stop at the refreshment store to pick up Mr. J. Daniels, and Don Facundo Bacardi Masso for tonights festivities. Mr. RC and Mr. Diet Coke Free (yeah I know, but that’s what happens when you get old: No sugar no caffine) are already here. Ms. Margarita is going to entertain too.
I gave blood early today, so I should be in peek performance tonight to enjoy the company of the aforementioned visitors with a host of friends and family.
From Stoessel:
“Of the top 25 states where people give an above average percent of their income, 24 were red states in the last presidential election.”
Problem is, I give to charity and I live in a red state. How can he justify accruing my giving to conservatives?
well be safe at your partying.
Be sure you have a designated driver if you are traveling after visiting with your ‘friends’
bj and i suspect your real name is prik
“bth
Posted December 31, 2008 at 3:14 pm | Permalink
From Stoessel:
“Of the top 25 states where people give an above average percent of their income, 24 were red states in the last presidential election.”
Problem is, I give to charity and I live in a red state. How can he justify accruing my giving to conservatives?”
That is one good reason why his study is too superficial and flawed to legitimately lead to a claim that conservatives give more than liberals.
For BlueJay:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/bye-bye-2008-things-i-wan_b_153944.html
And anyone else interested in what Huffington wants to forget about 2008. As an intro, near the top of the list is the girl who claimed Obama supporters carved a “B” on her cheek.
Stoessel regularly uses doctored data and spurious correlations and at times makes claims that are, empirically, just flat out wrong.
He is not to be trusted.
Here is a website that I use to organize my giving. It’s a nice website.
http://www.networkforgood.org/
“Stoessel regularly uses doctored data and spurious correlations and at times makes claims that are, empirically, just flat out wrong.
“He is not to be trusted.”
And that’s putting it nicely.
My favorite dumb moment of his is when he on one hand tries to claim that government funding of education causes mediocrity, by showing that we don’t do as well as other developed counties counties that…uhm…heavily fund their education (of course, he forgot to mention that).
He is truly an ass.
You don’t think much of John Stossel, Aggie? I’m not at all surprised.
He is an excellent journalist who will take on subjects where others fear to tread, especially liberal sacred cows.
I know some giving isn’t done with an accounting — no receipt, no expectation of a tax deduction, just given because there is need.
This is a true story. I was a young Mother of two and I had a prescription that needed to be filled for my little girls, and no milk. I had enough money for one but not both, and knew I’d have to ask my parents for a $5 loan. That wasn’t something I had ever done and I was sad and a little apprehensive. They still had six kids at home and no extra.
It snowed during the night and the next morning on my back porch sticking out of the snow was a plain white envelope — with a $10 bill in it. No way I could discover where it belonged. It literally came down with the snow and landed on my porch.
It’s my pleasure to repay that miracle whenever I can.
He is an excellent journalist who will take on subjects where others fear to tread, especially liberal sacred cows.
Heheheh, that really says it all, Outie!
Some of us just prefer intellectual honesty to someone telling us exactly what we want to believe.
While I’m primarily amused, as the son of a real journalist, I have to sigh a bit as well.
What is pathetic about these conservative yahoos blowing about charity is that to them, the only way it can be measured is in money. That’s not charity at all. It’s the disease that infects their entire movement.
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Rage
Posted December 31, 2008 at 3:44 pm | Permalink
He is an excellent journalist who will take on subjects where others fear to tread, especially liberal sacred cows.
Heheheh, that really says it all, Outie!
Some of us just prefer intellectual honesty to someone telling us exactly what we want to believe.
While I’m primarily amused, as the son of a real journalist, I have to sigh a bit as well.
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At no time will Rage fail to put the words ‘intellectual or superior’ into his comments.
lindainks55
Posted December 31, 2008 at 3:40 pm | Permalink
I know some giving isn’t done with an accounting — no receipt, no expectation of a tax deduction, just given because there is need.
This is a true story. I was a young Mother of two and I had a prescription that needed to be filled for my little girls, and no milk. I had enough money for one but not both, and knew I’d have to ask my parents for a $5 loan. That wasn’t something I had ever done and I was sad and a little apprehensive. They still had six kids at home and no extra.
It snowed during the night and the next morning on my back porch sticking out of the snow was a plain white envelope — with a $10 bill in it. No way I could discover where it belonged. It literally came down with the snow and landed on my porch.
It’s my pleasure to repay that miracle whenever I can
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Damn,
I was looking for that envelope. It was to pay for my gas bill. I was cold that winter.
I’ll gladly repay it now that I know where it belongs!
I really like his stuff Rage. He is always taking on interesting subjects and coming up with surprising results. He opens a lot of eyes.
Who is a good journalist Rage?
“Regular
Posted December 31, 2008 at 3:48 pm | Permalink
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At no time will Rage fail to put the words ‘intellectual or superior’ into his comments.”
Here is one time:
“Rage
Posted December 31, 2008 at 3:21 pm | Permalink Stoessel regularly uses doctored data and spurious correlations and at times makes claims that are, empirically, just flat out wrong.
He is not to be trusted.”
Here is another:
“Rage
Posted December 31, 2008 at 2:18 pm | Permalink
P.S. FYI, Kia, religious charities have to keep separate books from the parent organization.”
Stoessel’s “journalism” (sic) is typified by his classifying me as a conservative just because I currently live in Kansas.
He would also probably conclude that I am Catholic because I give to Catholic Charities.
outlander posted December 31, 2008 at 3:39 pm
You don’t think much of John Stossel, Aggie? I’m not at all surprised.
He is an excellent journalist who will take on subjects where others fear to tread, especially liberal sacred cows.
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Thank you outlander, for providing yet another reason why you are confused and misinformed.
It’s esay to give money for a tax write-off. What’s hard is to give of yourself and your time.
osted December 31, 2008 at 3:14 pm | Permalink
From Stoessel:
“Of the top 25 states where people give an above average percent of their income, 24 were red states in the last presidential election.”
Problem is, I give to charity and I live in a red state. How can he justify accruing my giving to conservatives?
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I don’t see your point Ben. He is talking statistics.
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brian_nuevo
Posted December 31, 2008 at 3:53 pm | Permalink
“Regular
Posted December 31, 2008 at 3:48 pm | Permalink
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At no time will Rage fail to put the words ‘intellectual or superior’ into his comments.”
Here is one time:
“Rage
Posted December 31, 2008 at 3:21 pm | Permalink Stoessel regularly uses doctored data and spurious correlations and at times makes claims that are, empirically, just flat out wrong.
He is not to be trusted.”
Here is another:
“Rage
Posted December 31, 2008 at 2:18 pm | Permalink
P.S. FYI, Kia, religious charities have to keep separate books from the parent organization.”
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Superiority by innuendo or knowingly feigning complicit ignorance while ejaculating ‘dead literary seed’ via inept mind chumming to more thoroughly eviscerate the rotting skull cavities of bobble-headed ‘yes-men and women’ of the liberal mindset.
outlander posted December 31, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Who is a good journalist Rage?
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Seth Borenstein
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081214/ap_on_sc/global_warming_obama
“Regular
Posted December 31, 2008 at 4:00 pm | Permalink
…Superiority by innuendo or knowingly feigning complicit ignorance while ejaculating ‘dead literary seed’ via inept mind chumming to more thoroughly eviscerate the rotting skull cavities of bobble-headed ‘yes-men and women’ of the liberal mindset.”
Apparently you got a copy of the “Conservative Thesaurus” for Christmas. I bet we can expect more random big words in 2009.
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cosmos_originally
Posted December 31, 2008 at 4:02 pm | Permalink
outlander posted December 31, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Who is a good journalist Rage?
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Seth Borenstein
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081214/ap_on_sc/global_warming_obama
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Thanks “Rage”.
What’s up Cosmos? Won’t anyone play AGW copy and paste with you?
Who is a good journalist Rage?
Eric Lichtblau.
“Superiority by innuendo or knowingly feigning complicit ignorance while ejaculating ‘dead literary seed’ via inept mind chumming to more thoroughly eviscerate the rotting skull cavities of bobble-headed ‘yes-men and women’ of the liberal mindset.”
Wow, that stroke did do strange things to your brain, Reg. Maybe you need to have your doc evaluate your meds:)
I’ll read him on your recommendation Rage.
“He is an excellent journalist who will take on subjects where others fear to tread, especially liberal sacred cows.”
Rigggght.
Outlander’s definition of “excellent journalist” is almost certainly “he agrees with me”.
Shallow is as shallow does.
No. . . thank you, “outlander”.
‘Media Outlet / Personality: Disney/John Stossel’
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=19&media_outlet_id=19
Excellence in journalism is not coming to unwarrented conclusions using cherry picked factoids and speculations from members of organizations like the Cato Institute.
Stossel has already made up his mind about a subject before he “investigates” it.
There are no perfect journalists, but I wouldn’t call Stoessel a journalist. Unfortunately, “media personalities” are so common they are often mistaken for journalists these days.
“I don’t see your point Ben. He is talking statistics.”
But he then concludes that means that conservatives give than liberals.
“To test what types of people give more,”
So, he determined what type of person I am by where I live.
I like Trudy Rubin. I think she does her homework and knows her stuff. She certainly understands Middle East issues..Bush should have used her as an advisor before his big misadventure in Iraq.
Outie, bud, new year, but the same point (and it was hit #4 on Google–I didn’t look for it):
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/06/a_flawed_man_wa/#comment-55141
Stossel even claimed that the bogus Oregon petition, and the late SF writer Michael Crichton = credible climate science! LOL!
‘In Denial on Climate Change’
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3418
outlander, do you have a Stossel shrine wall, to honour him? Photos, clippings, etc. . .
Now, now, let’s not get carried away.
Clearly Stossel’s methodology was flawed. But is it not true that red states tend to be poorer than blue states? If so, his findings are interesting in that way.
red states also tend to feed more at the fed trough than blue states
Or like the old analogy about eating carrots leading to death. It was absolutely true, 100% of those who ate carrots eventually died.
But really Rage, to set yourself up as an intellectually neutral party just commenting on the world as it is, is pretty funny.
You were trying to be funny, right?
You were trying to be funny, right?
The essay is funny, but certainly no more hilariously illogical than Stoessel.
Chuckle…, I see Aggie, the big Kahuna of pseudo- intellects, dropped back in to look down on those who might like a populist guy like John Stossel.
No doubt the Liberal interpretation of investigative new reporting involves a ‘Latte’, some folk singing, sweater wearing and no-makeup wearing females or transvestites who river dance their way to credibility through guttural reaction by appealing to emotional attachment to the story.
This is what duh Libs call intellectual enlightenment.
When it warms or fires up the cockles of their black hearts, no matter the spin placed on the subject, it’s called news.
‘lipstick on a pig’
Stossel a journalist? GiveMeABreak!
Oh, now he’s a POPULIST!
Hehe STOP IT, I’m gonna die laughing!
Phantom, it doesn’t matter! He’s a populist! He fights for the little guy and his portfolio! :)
And don’t forget that GW is caused by a reduction in the # of pirates. /sarcasm OFF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster#Pirates_and_global_warming
That’s about as logical as Stossel’s claims.
Rage posted December 31, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Now, now, let’s not get carried away.
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Considering outlander’s strong defence of Stossel, outlander might actually have a shrine wall to honour him?
Well Rage, what I find amusing is the way that liberals have a real tough time looking outside themselves. In their view, only they look at the world through an unbiased intellectual perspective. And those that don’t see it their way, do so out of obvious bias.
Don’t believe me? Reread this thread.
outlander
Posted December 31, 2008 at 5:04 pm | Permalink
Well Rage, what I find amusing is the way that liberals have a real tough time looking outside themselves. In their view, only they look at the world through an unbiased intellectual perspective. And those that don’t see it their way, do so out of obvious bias.
Don’t believe me? Reread this thread.”
wow, what a classic example of projection.
For heavens sake, would someone please, please play copy and paste with Cosmos? It’s like he’s my dog.
Keep ‘im tied up in your back yard!
My best 401k lost 11% this yr. my worst 50%. Glad this bush reign of terror is drawing to a close. Hoping for positive returns this yr.
“Well Rage, what I find amusing is the way that liberals have a real tough time looking outside themselves.”
True irony impairment.
I think Cos is programed by those AGW computer models and he’s brainwashed.
Watch him reply with:
“But donndublin’s AGW denial non-science requires op-eds, blogs, fossil-fuel funded think(sic) tanks, Sen. Inhofe (R-Oil) “650 list”, etc. And lots of stupid attacks.”
I hope you don’t get a computer virus cosMo.
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Agnatha
Posted December 31, 2008 at 5:22 pm | Permalink
True irony impairment.
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The ‘jawless fish’ is an iconic figure of consecutively arranged and progressive syllable arrangement.
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Phantom
Posted December 31, 2008 at 5:18 pm | Permalink
My best 401k lost 11% this yr. my worst 50%. Glad this bush reign of terror is drawing to a close. Hoping for positive returns this yr.
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I hope not but, I bet it goes down before it goes back up and no telling when it reverses. It will go up and down, but the trend will be down. I would your chances this first year are next nothing and in the next 4 years, your very lucky if you break even. Unless you are in gold or contrarian funds, you’ll most likely won’t see any gains.
I forgot one, buy anything green, especially companies that make green paint.
Invest in real estate. There are great buys out there and the renters will pay off the mortgage. It’s like getting real estate for free while you get a huge return on your initial investment.
outlander,
Since you claim that you, a non-liberal, can understand what liberals can not, please explain some “scientific” points about the OISM petition.
1) How hot is “catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere”? How many degrees? Is that “catastrophic” to life, with maybe a few humans managing to survive underground? Or hotter?
2) How long is the “foreseeable future”? Decades? Centuries? Longer?
Well, off to the kids house soon to party.
Flipping houses isn’t the money maker it once was because it’s gotten pretty competitive and house sales are down, but rentals can be very profitable if you know what you’re doing.
donndublin posted December 31, 2008 at 5:36 pm
I think Cos is programed by those AGW computer models and he’s brainwashed.
Watch him reply with:
“But donndublin’s AGW denial non-science requires op-eds, blogs, fossil-fuel funded think(sic) tanks, Sen. Inhofe (R-Oil) “650 list”, etc. And lots of stupid attacks.”
I hope you don’t get a computer virus cosMo.
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donndublin,
What you need to support your AGW denial is some credible science — but it does not exist.
Now. . . maybe it makes you feel good to make stupid attacks, but it actually makes you look very foolish.
Happy New Year everyone. Time for the annual and eagerly awaited New Year wishes. Here is the first installment:
For Agnatha, a mortarboard that he can wear on the blog as a sign of his overwhelming intellectual firepower.
For BlueJay, a George W. Bush punching bag, so he can work out his hostility.
For Beber, a subscription to Teen World magazine.
For Cosmos; an Al Gore model green moped.
For lindalinks, Obama pajamas and a feather pillow, since she is just so darn tickled.
For MonkeyHawk; an autographed copy of John Ashcroft’s book, “On My Honor”.
More later.
What I don’t get nothing?
Happy New Year.
May your banks stay solvent, and your roofs over your heads.
BTW, the teen world comment, that was dang funny right there.
Too bad its true.
I agree…but he pegged it right!
I already have one.
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brian_nuevo
Posted December 31, 2008 at 4:06 pm | Permalink
“Regular
Posted December 31, 2008 at 4:00 pm | Permalink
…Superiority by innuendo or knowingly feigning complicit ignorance while ejaculating ‘dead literary seed’ via inept mind chumming to more thoroughly eviscerate the rotting skull cavities of bobble-headed ‘yes-men and women’ of the liberal mindset.”
Apparently you got a copy of the “Conservative Thesaurus” for Christmas. I bet we can expect more random big words in 2009.”
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That was so funny it made me dribble all the way to the bathroom. HA.
Biggest drawback to rentals, is Renters! I had one simgle mother with two kids, a yr. after she left here, she shot one in the head and killed him, and tried to shoot her daughter too.
Then I had a guy that just got out for manslaughter, that wanted to rent. As the rental is on same property I had to decline.
On those cheery thoughts, I’m outta here. Happy new yr., and hopefully some positive returns!
I’m telling you, liberals don’t exactly keep track of how much they give. You know, we don’t tend to write it off the way you all do.
I have no clue how many dollars I’ve dunked into the little collection tins, the mcdonald’s drive through coin slot, the cash I’ve given to this and that.
and it is true that the states that take the most social programs are …tada: conservative.
I’m also far more picky about where I do give my money. It won’t be religious organizations, where discrimination is present.
sayanara – outta here!!
The most important thing is how you pick your tenants. If you do it right, you’ll have few problems. I screen everyone…no bad credit, no criminal backgrounds, no teenage kids in tow, no dogs, and NO roommates (as in college roommates).
Location is everything..if you have a rental in a desirable neighborhood, you can be picky.
Geez, you’d never rent to me Mary.
I’m crashing early tonight. I’ve had a horrible chest cold since Monday and haven’t ventured out of my house all week. Dave and I quit going out on New Year’s Eve a long time ago. Partying the night away isn’t important the way it used to be..I guess we’re getting pretty old when laying in bed and watching a movie to celebrate sounds like more fun!
‘Nite all..and Happy New Years!!
Me either.
Heh, and not just ’cause of the teenage kid and the dogs.
outlander,
Do you give New Years wishes to conservatives?
For Regular, A life size cut out of John Noble, whose character Dr. Walter Bishop (on the program Fringe) James seems to be channeling in his recent posts.
Fringe is an excellent program and a rare quality product on commercial television. One of the executive producers of Lost is an executive producer for Fringe.
“Geez, you’d never rent to me Mary.”
I’d probably make an exception in your case, P-Mom!
Fringe is an excellent program and a rare quality product on commercial television. One of the executive producers of Lost is an executive producer for Fringe.
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I’ll be damned, I agree with you Steven.
One more thought. I loved being a landlord to the single moms when I had an apartment complex. I often had the opportunity to help them out and make a difference in their lives. It was really gratifying…and they never tried to take advantage of me.
Aw thanks Mary, but I tell ya, my son is Dr. Destructo. But don’t let that scare you away from renting to someone who has an autie. And this dog hasn’t ruined anything. The most destruction ever done to a rental was from my ex husband. I think he got actual pleasure from it. I felt so so so sorry for the landlords. I warned the last one that he would tear it up, but let him stay anyway.
I was really sick last week and this week too Mary. It didn’t last long, got into the doctor and some antibiotics because it was surely heading for pneumonia but the fatigue has been great.
And I guess I’ve gotten old too, although I’m invited to a party, I’m just not sure that I really want to go. PJ’s and electric blankie sound much nicer.
I’d buy stock in Wackenhut and other private prison warders as well as prison builders (if I felt a sudden urge to buy paper all of a sudden).
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Posted December 31, 2008 at 6:58 pm | Permalink
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brian_nuevo
Posted December 31, 2008 at 4:06 pm | Permalink
“Regular
Posted December 31, 2008 at 4:00 pm | Permalink
…Superiority by innuendo or knowingly feigning complicit ignorance while ejaculating ‘dead literary seed’ via inept mind chumming to more thoroughly eviscerate the rotting skull cavities of bobble-headed ‘yes-men and women’ of the liberal mindset.”
Apparently you got a copy of the “Conservative Thesaurus” for Christmas. I bet we can expect more random big words in 2009.”
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That was so funny it made me dribble all the way to the bathroom. HA.
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Oh but Pmom, I’m college educated just like your fellow Libs and have had the opportunity to travel and see places most people dream of.
If I wanted, I could write convoluted comments and post names of singers or writers, but I find it boorish and of little use.
brian_nuevo was trying a typical ‘lib’ put down like I get every day on this blog. He failed and further attempts will only reflect the short comings of his mental capabilities to deal with me on a subject.
This Week in God
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) – A lawyer suing jailed evangelist Tony Alamo over alleged abuse says the preacher’s right to religious freedom doesn’t allow him to beat children.
In federal court filings this week, W. David Carter wrote that protecting the public trumps constitutional protections afforded to religion. Alamo’s lawyer said in a court filing last week that the Bible requires spanking unruly children, and he suggested that Alamo had permission from church parents to discipline their children.
The 74-year-old Alamo faces trial in February on charges he took children across state lines for sex.
Alamo was convicted of tax-related charges in 1994 in Memphis, Tenn., and served four years in prison after the IRS said he owed the government $7.9 million. Prosecutors in that case argued that Alamo was a flight risk and a polygamist who preyed on married women and girls in his congregation.
Alamo once had a clothing store in Nashville, Tenn., as well as a church and a downtown mission there.
http://www.whnt.com/Global/story.asp?S=9598112
Well Monkeyhawk,
I guess now I am going to have to stop believing in Jesus.
Environment minister Sammy Wilson: I still think man-made climate change is a con
Wednesday, 31 December 2008
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/environment/environment-minister-sammy-wilson-i-still-think-manmade-climate-change-is-a-con-14123972.html
“Spending billions on trying to reduce carbon emissions is one giant con that is depriving third world countries of vital funds to tackle famine, HIV and other diseases, Sammy Wilson said.
The DUP minister has been heavily criticised by environmentalists for claiming that ongoing climatic shifts are down to nature and not mankind.
But while acknowledging his views on global warming may not be popular, the East Antrim MP said he was not prepared to be bullied by eco fundamentalists.
“I’ll not be stopped saying what I believe needs to be said about climate change,” he said.
“I think in 20 years’ time we will look back at this whole climate change debate and ask ourselves how on earth were we ever conned into spending the billions of pounds which are going into this without any kind of rigorous examination of the background, the science, the implications of it all. Because there is now a degree of hysteria about it, fairly unformed hysteria I’ve got to say as well.”
I am tickled, outlander! ;-) That feather pillow sounds soft, cozy, comfy.
Happy New Year WEBloggers! I hope you all have health and peace, someone to care about and someone who cares about you!
Happy uckin’ new years to any losers who post tonight after this hour.
No one to party with. No life. Watching to see the names of those losers posting hereafter….
Hi RoaCH! I hope your evening and new year are pleasant!