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Clean coal lovers have plenty of real estate available. With clean coal covering 400 acres of land, up to six feet deep they can build their dream homes, or else move into the 12 homes that are already surrounded by the clean coal.
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/12/tennessee-coal-ash-slurry-spill-48-times-bigger-than-exxon-valdez-spill.php
I wonder why Kansas Republicans are not extolling the great virtues of clean coal in order to bring the success of clean coal from Tennessee to Kansas?
Science is a crime. Then again, I suppose I could be arrested for all the garden supplies I have around my home. Hmmm, soil, seeds, grow lamps, garden hoe, sunflowers in my backyard, etc.
A Canadian college student majoring in chemistry built himself a home lab – and discovered that trying to do science in your own home quickly leads to accusations of drug-making and terrorism.
Lewis Casey, an 18-year-old in Saskatchewan, had built a small chemistry lab in his family’s garage near the university where he studies. Then two weeks ago, police arrived at his home with a search warrant and based on a quick survey of his lab determined that it was a meth lab. They pulled Casey out of the shower to interrogate him, and then arrested him.
A few days later, police admitted that Casey’s chemistry lab wasn’t a meth lab – but they kept him in jail, claiming that he had some of the materials necessary to produce explosives. Friends and neighbors wrote dozens of letters to the court, testifying that Casey was innocent and merely a student who is really enthusiastic about chemistry.
http://io9.com/5119166/teen-with-home-chemistry-lab-arrested-for-meth-bombs
Doing away with the Senate
Cutting waste
Really, do we really need a Senate? Two representatives from every state – not like we don’t have enough already. Where are the Senators from Puerto Rico or Washington D.C.? Oh yeah – never mind that…
Why do we need an additional 100 super demagogues in D.C. gumming up the works? The group is often obstructionist and they frequently add nothing but costs to bills rather than improve them.
Handle foreign affairs? Isn’t this why we elect a President and have a Secretary of State?
Trim the fat, do away with the U.S. Senate.
Headline in this morning’s EAGLE, “Political funds can’t transfer,” is basically an article about two possible candidates for Kansas Governor two years from now. The gist of this article is that these candidates are more or less prohibited from using their existing campaign contribution accounts to run for governor.
Thank you. This is as it should be.
But these are not the only candidates who might choose to run for Kansas governor in the 2010 election. Congressman Jerry Moran has been mentioned. Also current Lt. Governor, Mark Parkinson.
Usually U.S. Senators and Congressman don’t want to “lower themselves” and their plush Washington lives by returning to their home state to visit the small towns to run for governor.
Considering a race between Sam Brownback and Ron Thornburgh. I have never been a big fan of Ron Thornburgh, but he has grown in the Secretary of States position. He should be an expert by now on Kansas governmental machinery. And he could use a Dillon’s grocery basket to move his personal belongings across the Rotunda to the Governor’s office as Governor Sebelius is moving out.
Kansas needs a “nuts and bolts” governor once again, one without expensive and blurry visions for more deficit spending.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=avdScDGCFsdc&refer=home
When those eggs be dropping those buttons be popping.
Why television sports commentators have a kitten whenever an athlete has a “B” average. Or, we always knew they were dumb.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28411902/
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Eu9SQSvqdYc/SVhJv3Z0WzI/AAAAAAAAAQ0/CuqNOP-KjbI/s1600-h/stop-global-warming-cartoon.gif
“GLOBAL, cyclic, decadal, climate patterns can be traced over the past millennium in glacier fluctuations, oxygen isotope ratios in ice cores, sea surface temperatures, and historic observations. The recurring climate cycles clearly show that natural climatic warming and cooling have occurred many times, long before increases in anthropogenic atmospheric CO2 levels. The Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age are well known examples of such climate changes, but in addition, at least 23 periods of climatic warming and cooling have occurred in the past 500 years. Each period of warming or cooling lasted about 25-30 years (average 27 years). Two cycles of global warming and two of global cooling have occurred during the past century, and the global cooling that has occurred since 1998 is exactly in phase with the long term pattern. Global cooling occurred from 1880 to ~1915; global warming occurred from ~1915 to ~1945; global cooling occurred from ~1945-1977;, global warming occurred from 1977 to 1998; and global cooling has occurred since 1998. All of these global climate changes show exceptionally good correlation with solar variation since the Little Ice Age 400 years ago.
The IPCC predicted global warming of 0.6° C (1° F) by 2011 and 1.2° C (2° F) by 2038, whereas Easterbrook (2001) predicted the beginning of global cooling by 2007 (± 3–5 yrs) and cooling of about 0.3–0.5° C until ~2035. The predicted cooling seems to have already begun. Recent measurements of global temperatures suggest a gradual cooling trend since 1998 and 2007–2008 was a year of sharp global cooling. The cooling trend will likely continue as the sun enters a cycle of lower irradiance and the Pacific Ocean changed from its warm mode to its cool mode.
Comparisons of historic global climate warming and cooling, glacial fluctuations, changes in warm/cool mode of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) and the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO), and sun spot activity over the past century show strong correlations and provide a solid data base for future climate change projections. The announcement by NASA that the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) had shifted to its cool phase is right on schedule as predicted by past climate and PDO changes (Easterbrook, 2001, 2006, 2007) and coincides with recent solar variations. The PDO typically lasts 25–30 years, virtually assuring several decades of global cooling. The IPCC predictions of global temperatures 1° F warmer by 2011, 2° F warmer by 2038, and 10° F by 2100 stand little chance of being correct. “Global warming” (i.e., the warming since 1977) is over.
http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2008/12/global-warming-is-over-don-easterbrook/
Morning there Mr. DevB.
You sure are worried about the weather huh?
Is there some global conspiracy to make you believe something?
Why yes there is. Thermometers everywhere are rebelling against the AGW farce. Worried about the weather? Youbetcha. It is kicking our asses up here. Massive snow. Unseasonably cold. Yeah, I guess you could say that this global cooling is having an effect up here in the great white north.
Iran looks to be the winner in the war betwen Hamas and Israel.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1230456504726&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
george
Posted December 29, 2008 at 8:19 am | Permalink
Iran looks to be the winner in the war betwen Hamas and Israel.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1230456504726&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
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Nothing to worry about George. Obama said he is looking into it. Obama also has called for a peaceful solution. Besides, he will meet directly with the president of Iran (shown in photo at Israel protest rally – calling for the destruction thereof).
Everythings groovy.
Instead of complaining and worrying, MOVE SOUTH.
Works every time…………
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RoaCH
Posted December 29, 2008 at 8:29 am | Permalink
george
Posted December 29, 2008 at 8:19 am | Permalink
Iran looks to be the winner in the war betwen Hamas and Israel.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1230456504726&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
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Nothing to worry about George. Obama said he is looking into it. Obama also has called for a peaceful solution. Besides, he will meet directly with the president of Iran (shown in photo at Israel protest rally – calling for the destruction thereof).
Everythings groovy.
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I hear dates and hot tea will be served at the appeasement ceremony.
It doesn’t matter if a new ice age is starting. The question is: Are the activities of man changing the compostition of the atmosphere so that more of the sun’s heat is retained on earth? The answer so far seems to be “yes.” Calling it “global warming” is unfortunate. It should be called “global heat retention due to man made pollutants.” Of course, that wouldn’t be very sexy to either side.
The Jeruselem Post has no credibilty. It reported weapons of mass destruction were found many times. The only way the mess in that region can ever be solved is to arm one of Israel’s enemies with nuclear weapons. Then the Jews have to start bargaining and stop stealing. I predict when the present confrontation is over, Israel will be in total control of all the farmland in the Gaza strip, and will be building Jewish villages there within the year. They dont’ want all the land. Just that which adjoins them.
Everythings groovy.
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I hear dates and hot tea will be served at the appeasement ceremony.
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Yep, and it will be poolside so the public can compare the phyiscal shape of both leaders. Six pack diplomacy.
Cooling, warming, no change at all…very convenient for the alarmists to just say,
Look science is on our side, the climate is doing something, nothing or never mind – it was predicted this change/non-change
will be building Jewish villages there within the year
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They tried that before. The new leadership tore anything jewish down.
Israel is not seeking expansion. How would you feel if Oklahoma lobbed a few hundred missles into Wichita every month?
Oklahoma lobbed a few hundred missles into Wichita every month?
It’s Bush’s fault. So is global (cough) warming.
How would you feel if Oklahoma lobbed a few hundred missles into Wichita every month?
Wichita would put explosives in them and lob them back. :)
What if Oklahoma walled you off, and didn’t allow supplies of food and medicine into Wichita. What if they allowed no economic development, to prevent competition from a cheap labor source?
NEW YORK — A 15-year-old Bronx girl has been charged with two homicides including the death of a man whose dismembered body was found in a plastic bag.
Sharell Butler was arraigned late Saturday and charged as an adult with murder in the deaths of 24-year-old Christopher Umpierre on Dec. 19 and 22-year-old John Hopkins-Drago on Dec. 21.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,473434,00.html
Will she be charged with a hate crime?
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beber
Posted December 29, 2008 at 8:53 am | Permalink
What if Oklahoma walled you off, and didn’t allow supplies of food and medicine into Wichita. What if they allowed no economic development, to prevent competition from a cheap labor source?
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We would piss in their water supply and get drugs from Canada. Economic development? How would the Okies prevent that.
You need to work on your analogies, they suck.
Has there ever been an explanation as to why Phillip puts Edvard Munch’s The Scream as the header to some open threads. Or, should it just be obvious?
Sol — Where would be the hate crime??
If you have to be told, you don’t understand.
There is nothing in your linked article that says anything about a hate crime…
There is also nothing in your linked article that says anything about the race of those involved, or their sexual orientation…
So, what is there to understand??
Tell me, Chas: how does one do this crime without hate?
Give that man a prize.
http://sandrarose.com/2008/12/29/15-year-old-girl-charged-with-murdering-two-men/
We would piss in their water supply and get drugs from Canada. Economic development? How would the Okies prevent that.
You need to work on your analogies, they suck.
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That would make for an interesting thought experiment. Let’s set it up as a board game. First wall off a nine block area of Wichita for grins put the 600 North block of Oliver at its center. Provide entry by checkpoint only at 2 locations. Control all food, water and utilities according to whims of a hostile larger population.
Let’s call our hero Ted the Regularestian. How would he overcome obstacles and succeed?
Why is some hate more severely punished than others? If a defendant kills because he didn’t like the color of the skin of his victim, or kills because he didn’t like the color of the victim’s shirt, is the victim any more or less dead? Is the crime any more or less henious, the defendant any more or less deserving of the full penalties of law?
Hate crimes not only pose problems for prosecutors (they add another element that must be proven, and a problematic one which requires that motive (i.e. a thought) must be proven; motive is not in most cases an element of a murder case), they tell us that certain classes of persons are more deserving of the protections of the law than others; exactly the opposite of “equal justice under law.” And they come dangerously close to thought crime.
We don’t need a “hate crime” law to prosecute killers; the law itself is more than sufficient. “Hate crimes” may be good public relations, but are bad law.
GMC — While not a normal thing, LOL, I tend to be in agreement with you on your hate crime statement… I think the law currently covers the “degrees” of murder, e.g., first degree, premeditated, 2nd degree, etc. What are now referred to as “hate” crimes, surely fall into one of those categories…
Thus, in Sol’s article, I note that the perpetrator is charged, as an adult, with murder. “As an adult” in this case would be one of those degrees, I do believe…
Ummm… GMC, question… what ever happened to the MOM theory in murder investigations??
Motive – Opportunity – Means???
“GMC70″ demonstrates an amazing grasp of the obvious –
“Hate crimes” may be good public relations, but are bad law.
Like there are no other bad laws.
Singling out “hate crime” laws is one of those low-level simmers of racism CONs trot out from time to time because expressing their true attitudes toward minorities would accurately brand them as the bigots they are.
Nice straw man you trotted out, “GMC70.” Let’s add in cowardly “Boxlock20,” and heartless “outlander” and you’re just a dog and a little girl short of a community theatre production of “The Wizard of Oz.”
(You’re cool with green make-up, right “okobserver?”)
I do classify a hate crime as more severe, because it would hopefully deter someone who targets someone because of their skin or gender or …whatever.
It sends a strong message that this is not tolerated in our society. It also is different as an innocent victim did nothing to perpetuate the violence against them other than being different than the person liked.
Not all murders are equal and should never be treated as such.
Someone that drags someone behind a vehicle because they hate who that person is, is worse.
I realize they’re both equally dead, but there is also the terror factor.
“Singling out “hate crime” laws is one of those low-level simmers of racism…”
Right on time.
Yesterday marked Carl Peterson’s swan song with the Kansas City Chiefs – and I say it’s about time the royal despot left the throne.
I was a devoted Chiefs fan from 1993-96, but I eventually became disenchanted – not least with “King Carl’s” questionable business practices. (Not to mention his woeful interpersonal skills.)
During the autumn of 1993, during a televised game between the Chiefs and the Packers, I observed Mr. Peterson behaving way-too-cooly to another dignitary – right there on live tee-vee. Who was the offender? Not a recalcitrant reprobate. Not a now-deceased linebacker with as many illegitimate progeny as there are days of the week. Not a marauder from the opposing side.
Nope – King Carl froze out Len Dawson. As in “Lenny the Cool” – the Super Bowl-winning quarterback from 1970.
That’s right – the Hall of Famer who led the Chiefs to their only NFL championship. Yep – that’s the poor soul who bore the brunt of Peterson’s puerility on a live broadcast.
Of course, the 1993-1994 season was a mythic one for us fans. Joe Montana ‘n Marcus Allen were here – and we were oh, so innocent. Back then, O.J. was still something we savored with our Sunday brunches. We didn’t know an eventual double butcherer was Marcus’s best bud. Super Joe had four nice rings on his digits – and the stuff of legend behind him – every time he strode upon the field.
And, of course, the Chiefs were winnin’ – right on up to the Championship game against Buffalo. They lost that game – but that season was thrilling.
It didn’t take long, though, for disillusion to set in. King Carl’s despicable treatment of Nick Lowery was appalling. Albert Lewis made no secret of his distaste for Carl’s business dealings. Many others followed.
And now the team has just posted its worst win-loss ratio in its history.
It’s an ignominious end for King Carl. And I say, “good riddance, yer highness. If you can’t get another job screwing another NFL team up its backside, perhaps you can get the lead in the remake of ‘The Iceman Cometh.’”
Or at least an understudy to The Iceman’s impotent grandfather…….
The MOM theory, Chas, is mostly a tool of crime fiction writers, not so much the real world.
Neither motive nor oppportunity nor means is an element of any murder case (except, perhaps motive as a “hate” element). They are useful in narrowing down the pool of potential suspects, but that a person had a motive to kill, the opportunity to do so, and the means to do so doesn’t prove the case in a court. There is much, much more required.
Indeed, one may have all three and never kill a soul.
BTW – In Kansas, at least, the degrees of murder have nothing to do with “hate” crimes; they have to do with the degree of premeditation. Moreover, in some cases (felony murder) no premeditation is required at all; a quick review of the article reveals that this may be the case in the murder here referred to.
RE: “felony murder” in the case linked, I would agree with that, based on the article…
FYI, I was aware that MOM is not terribly useful in Court… I was thinking more in terms of the investigation process, as I believe I indicated above…
Wow – MH’s 10:11 post demonstrated an amazing grasp of . . . . well . . . of . . well, of not a damn thing.
Except, of course, that anyone who dares to disagree with MH and his dogma is apparantly a “bigot.” There’s no real evidence of same, of course, but then requiring actual evidence to support a nasty charge is so passe.
It’s so much more fun to just throw the mud. The charge is enough.
How quaint.
It sends a strong message that this is not tolerated in our society.
So – if a man is drug behind a truck just because he’s hated for, say, a political disagreement; that is tolerated?
Just what are the acceptable reasons for despicable cruelty?
I fully understand that not all murders are equal; no one has argued otherwise. But some persons are not more deserving of the protection of the law because they fall in some politically defined “protected class.”
Nice straw man you trotted out, “GMC70.” Let’s add in cowardly “Boxlock20,” and heartless “outlander” and you’re just a dog and a little girl short of a community theatre production of “The Wizard of Oz.”
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Oh, I get it now. “Monkeyhawk” = Flying Monkeys. Wizard of OZ. Judy Garland. Munchkins. Toto. Fantasy.
Now at least we have a basis for Monkey’s loose grasp on reality.
Chas:
Understood; point taken.
Have a good day.
SolDevVB posted December 29, 2008 at 8:16 am
Thermometers everywhere are rebelling against the AGW farce.
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Sol, why don’t you stop lying?
Temperature data showed the expected results of the cooling from the strongest La Nina since 1988/89 and a solar MINIMUM. AGW is still happening.
SolDevVB posted: Worried about the weather? Youbetcha. It is kicking our asses up here. Massive snow. Unseasonably cold. Yeah, I guess you could say that this global cooling is having an effect up here in the great white north.
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The U.S. is only about 2 percent of “global”.
It’s winter, and Arctic fronts happen.
A warmer atmosphere holds more water vapour.
More water vapour allows heavier precipitation events, including heavier snow storms.
Heavier snow falls takes longer to melt.
Winter and fall snow cover in the Northern hemisphere shows no trend since 1965. Spring and summer snow cover is DECLINING. See graphs.
‘Heavy snow (job)‘
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/12/20/heavy-snow-job/
And once again, cosmos responds directly and on point to a post on global climate change.
Watch for the predictable mockery that comes from people who have nothing else but a desperate urge to protect their own world view, or who just like to troll.
Can Agnatha write a post without using the word “troll”?
SolDevVB posted December 29, 2008 at 7:24 am
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Thank you Sol. It’s fun to read debunkings of Easterbrook’s bogus claims.
‘Easterbrook and the coming ‘Global Cooling’ ‘
http://chriscolose.wordpress.com/2008/11/11/easterbrook-and-the-coming-global-cooling/
“In short, there is absolutely no science in Easterbrook’s article, and much of it is based on misrepresentations of the IPCC and ignorance of the climate system he is analyzing.”
beber,
Does “anything” equal only “blood”?
How would you describe the post by RoaCH just after my post? Trolling?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/12/open-thread-1228/#comment-492578
Actually bush’s women were extolling the groundwork set up during W’s terms as the foundation that a Palistinian State will be established on. Good job W!
If Israel had waited until jan 21 to start bombing, their actions would’ve been declared the First Test of the Obama admin.
“If Israel had waited until jan 21 to start bombing, their actions would’ve been declared the First Test of the Obama admin.” — Phantom
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I’ve read many articles that are demanding to know ‘what would Obama do.’ Most everyone distrusts bush and everyone hopes for improved guidance, maturity, diplomacy, decisions based on facts vs gut…
Of course, there will be adequate time to blame Obama for everything, and those who want him to fail won’t have to wait long to drag out the blame.
If there is an attack of any kind on our soil it will be Obama’s fault. Even tho those same people who will cast blame found bush to be innocent of any negligence and incapable of any actions that may have prevented 911.
For those people only the members of the Democratic Party who are in positions of power need to be held accountable for anything.
Here’s a conspiracy theory I just thought up.
Did ya notice that the TV folks have been running the movie “Exodus” lately? Softening us up for Israel’s assault on Hamas? Obviously, the tin foil hats would say, the Israelis have been secretly working with the U.S. before the bombing to make sure we won’t overreact.
Chew on that, conspiracy theorists.
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I’m just sayin…..
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Where’s Ed when you need him?
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And while I’m babbling, did you ever wonder why no one in the Mid-East takes Israel’s sabra, kick butt and take names instincts seriously? Every tinpot dictator over there figures he can just rain rockets on Israel and they won’t do anything about it. Wrong.
Dennis
Israel may be taking advantage of lame duck bush to make a big push into Gaza and Palestine land, due to their uncertainity about how Obama admin would react.
The childlike belief that Israel is in the right astounds me. I wonder how many millions they’ve killed, starved, robbed, beaten, imprisoned, etc. No good guys, no right, no wrong exists in this conflict.
And the world is catching on. Israel will have only one friend soon. US. And why? We think Adam is our grandpa. We have no past, so we’ve adopted the Jewish past, even though we are not Jews. Talk about lost, hopeless and stupid.
I dunno Phantom/beber – maybe it’s because 2000-3000 Hamas rockets have been launched at Israel.
Grin and bear it?
I don’t think so.
It’s not like you CONs are fooling anyone. We know it’s racism that makes you think “Barack the Magic Negro” is just about the funniest thing this side of Rastus jokes.
And we know where to find folks who chuckle when they type Barack HUSSEIN Obama and chortle about how much Obama sounds like Osama and how they both “pal around with terrorists. You find those kinds of people in trailer parks upwind of meth labs, in rusted-out pick-up trucks, and Republic Party leadership meetings.
It’s really painful sometimes to read your contortional rationalizations which purport to prove your lack of racism. Why back away from it? Strip yourself of that lying snake skin of fake indignity when you’re confronted with your bigotry against African-Americans, Hispanics, Gays, Lesbians, intellectuals, and teenage loose women. It’s not like your present political strategy is working that well for you anymore.
Trot out your jokes about the Obamas being just another bunch of blacks living in public housing. (I’ve already heard one of your right-wingnut radiots doing fifteen minutes on the new presidential limo –
“A big-ol’ gas-guzzlin’, pimped-out Cad’lac! Bling!”)
We overlook the obvious upside to the Israel aggression, ‘terrorist’ that would’ve otherwise attacked our troops and Iraqis, will now journey over to Gaza and collect their virgins in Israel.
SURPISE! CNN & The Boston Globe says Caroline Kennedy is Qualified to be a Senator
(If her drunk murdering uncles is qualified, then why not Caroline?)
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/12/caroline_kenned_2.html
Caroline Kennedy qualified, most Americans say
December 29, 2008 12:11 PM
A majority of Americans believe that Caroline Kennedy is qualified to be a US senator, according to a new poll out today.
In the CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey, 52 percent said the daughter of President John F. Kennedy is qualified to serve, while 42 percent said she is not qualified.
Those numbers are somewhat lower than for Hillary Clinton when she ran for the US Senate seat from New York. In a CNN/USA Today/Gallup survey, more than 60 percent of Americans said the former first lady was qualified.
Now, Clinton is President-elect Barack Obama’s choice for secretary of state, and Governor David Paterson has the sole power to appoint her replacement. Caroline Kennedy, who has never run for or held elective office, has worked in education reform, but until campaigning for Obama this year had stayed largely out of the public eye.
In the sharp-elbowed world of New York politics, even some fellow Democrats have questioned her qualifications. She did a series of interviews over the weekend to make her case.
Monkey, have you noticed how, whenever you don’t like something, you hang a conservative tag on it? Do you know why you would do that? Is it just easier to deal with black and white in your narrow little world?
Just wondering. Because bigots think that way.
A whopping 52% say Caroline K is qualified.
Is 52% the best the ultra lib CNN could come up with? Even 52% is a stretch.
I’d like to see the CNN question in the poll.
“Is Caroline Kennedy qualified to be Dog Catcher?”
What an utterly STUPID woman Caroline Kennedy is to be SURPRISED and DISMAYED by her own voting record.
SHE DIDN’T KNOW WHAT HER OWN VOTING RECORD WAS!
I’m glad they BROUGHT THIS TO HER ATTENTION!
(Maybe she was too drunk to notice? Too drunk to vote too?)
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/27/caroline-kennedy-dismayed-voting-record-184757411/
Caroline Kennedy ‘Dismayed’ by Own Voting Record
Daughter of President Kennedy makes no excuses for not voting in an election for the very Senate seat she hopes to take over.
Caroline Kennedy said she was “surprised and dismayed” by her own voting record, after failing to cast her pick for the very Senate seat she now hopes to take over.
Kennedy offered no excuses for why she failed to vote in a number of elections since registering in New York City in 1988, including in 1994 when Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan was up for re-election as the state’s senior senator.
“I was really surprised and dismayed by my voting record,” she told the Associated Press. “I’m glad it’s been brought to my attention.”
For an objective review of Caroline Kennedy’s qualifications, here are two great websites:
http://www.votesmart.org/index.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm
(Please someone look-up her qualifications and enumerate them here. I’m tied up right now.)
1. She’s a DemoRat.
2. She’s a Kennedy.
3. She’s the daughter and only surviving child of the great John F. Kennedy, who was killed when Carloine was 5 years old.
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It would be nice if America’s shameless kowtowing to AIPAC would end with the new administration, but I suspect that’s as likely as ending the stupid, destructive, McCarthyist “War on Drugs.”
outlander
Posted December 29, 2008 at 12:28 pm | Permalink
Monkey, have you noticed how, whenever you don’t like something, you hang a conservative tag on it? Do you know why you would do that?
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If it doesn’t fit into his DemKos agenda, he’s instructed to attack and label the opposition a naughty name.
Robot.
Sheeple.
Dimwit.
“outlander” —
Have you noticed when I post something all you CONs have in your defense is personal attacks and name-calling.
Earlier today “GMC70″ got called on his thinly-veiled racism regarding hate crimes. His response was to call me a bigot. A non-denial denial of my charges against CONs.
My discussion of the Republic Party’s top candidate for leadership sending out “Barack the Magic Negro” and other racist slurs “in good fun” results in you ignoring the inherent racism of the American CONservative movement and conjure up condescension of “black-and-white” issues.
So educate me, “outlander.” Tell me the nuances, the shades of gray, that make “Barack the Magic Negro” a viable and legitimate campaign tool for the leadership of the Republic Party.
‘Til thin it is indeed a “black-and-white” issue in that most of you CONs (even in the Republic National Committee’s chairmanship campaign!) have made it a “black-and-white issue,” and you can’t hide or even disguise your hateful bigotry against all things non-white.
And the Sheeple Read Polls as GOSPEL
“Asking for such opinions is as meaningful as gathering fairy dust. Opinions expressed under such conditions are vapid nonsense, not worth the paper they are printed upon.”
http://pagenine.typepad.com/page_nine/2008/12/cnn-poll-nonsense.html
CNN Poll Nonsense
The lamestream media told you:
According to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll, “By a 51%-to-49% margin, Americans say China is a ‘military threat’ to the U.S. 70% say China poses an ‘economic threat,’ while 30% say it does not.”
The Uninvited Ombudsman notes however that:
Confirming reports that reporters have no understanding of math, CNN has released a meaningless poll and used it to fill space where news is supposed to appear.
The American public’s beliefs about communist China — and especially its military capabilities or intentions — are almost entirely a function of what the news media spoon-feeds them. Those beliefs have only a marginal relationship to what really occurs in world affairs, and is no rational basis for formulating opinions on the level of military threat the communist Chinese pose. Asking for such opinions is as meaningful as gathering fairy dust. Opinions expressed under such conditions are vapid nonsense, not worth the paper they are printed upon.
A researched report on the economic or military threats posed to us by the communists in China would have taken work, and did not run.
52%? Rove and Bush would call that a mandate, and one that carries considerable political capital.
OH CAMELOT!
CAMELOT! (sniff, sniff)
BY GOD CAROLINE SHOULD BE PRESIDENT RIGHT AFTER SHE SPENDS 4 YEARS IN THE SENATE!
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/12/27/2008-12-27_caroline_kennedy_shares_misty_memories_o-2.html
Caroline Kennedy shares misty memories of Camelot
BY KENNETH LOVETT and RICH SCHAPIRO
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Sunday, December 28th 2008, 1:19 AM
China? They dim in comparison to the threat that Iraq posed to us, according to the media at the time.
And never a word Regular, about the million plus people in the Gaza strip who are starved and suffering because of a blockcade imposed by the Jews, who are now bombing a city which has one of the most dense populations on earth? Could it be that the rockets are intended to put pressure on the Jews to lift the blockaid. Or that it might be because after 60 years of occupation, murder and oppression, killing one Jew, no matter what the cost, is a sort of sweet victory.
The Arabs have already won. Go to Israel and see for yourself. It is they who are happy and smiling, and Jews who run about their own country, beating their breasts in fear. They know too judgement day is coming, and when it does, it will be terrible and swift. The portion of the population which speaks Arabic smiles and laughs and taunts them. It’s easy to die when you have nothing and no future, but oh so easy to laugh.
This should help Caroline get the women vote:
The New York Daily News painted Kennedy as defiant, quoting her saying she would not be beholden to anyone. The New York Post cast the daughter of President John Kennedy and holder to the Camelot myth in warmer familial tones with headline saying her kids and husband are all aboard a run for the Senate and President-elect Barack Obama is encouraging her.
But The New York Times said while Kennedy is forceful, she remains elusive, and noted that she never answered directly whether she would actually run in an election for the Senate seat if she weren’t appointed first.
Kennedy said she did think it would be easier for her to hold a campaign of sorts as a way for the public to get to know her before she gets selected by Gov. David Paterson to replace Hillary Clinton, who is likely to join the Obama administration as its secretary of state.
” I think that actually a campaign would be an easier way, because I think it would give me a chance to explain exactly what I’m doing, why I would want to do this, and, you know, and get people to know me better,” she said.
But Kennedy appeared to insult women’s magazines when she responded to a question by one of the reporters to recall, for the sake of storytelling, the moment she decided that wanted to be the senator from New York.
“Have you guys ever thought about writing for, like, a woman’s magazine or something?” she asked, to which the reporter countered by asking what she has against women’s magazines?
“Nothing at all, but I thought you were the crack political team here,” she answered.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/28/caroline-kennedy-busts-new-york-times-reporter-interview/
Just 41% of New Yorkers see Caroline as Qualified:
http://news.theage.com.au/world/new-york-voters-divided-on-kennedy-poll-20081224-74h3.html
New York voters divided on Kennedy: poll
December 24, 2008 – 6:58AM
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Voters in New York state are divided on whether Caroline Kennedy should serve as their next senator, and she has work to do to win over more conservative rural voters, a new poll has found.
The daughter of assassinated president John F Kennedy is eyeing the Senate seat that Hillary Clinton is giving up to become secretary of state.
The Quinnipiac University survey found 41 per cent of state voters thought Kennedy was not qualified to be a senator, while 40 per cent said she was qualified.
monkey. you are so out of touch. why blame this on the cons? murder is murder.
(No choices for New Yorkers)
HAMDEN, Conn., Dec. 23 (UPI) — New York voters are evenly divided on whether Caroline Kennedy, heir to one of the country’s biggest political names, should be appointed U.S. senator.
While 41 percent of those surveyed by the Quinnipiac Poll said that Kennedy is qualified to fill the seat being vacated by Hillary Clinton, 40 percent said she is not. But 48 percent said they expect Gov. David Paterson to name her.
The poll released Tuesday found that Kennedy has more support than other likely choices. Given a choice among the field, 33 percent picked Kennedy, 29 percent state Attorney General Andrew Cuomo and 4 percent Kirsten Gillibrand, a congresswoman from the Albany area. Another 24 percent wanted someone other than those three and 10 percent were undecided.
“Will we get another Kennedy in the Senate? Only Gov. David Paterson knows for sure,” said Maurice Carroll, director of the Quinnipiac Polling Institute. “Among New Yorkers in general, Caroline Kennedy’s grade is just OK.”
The poll surveyed 834 registered voters between Dec. 17 and Dec. 21. The margin of error is 3.4 percentage points.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/12/23/Poll_New_Yorkers_split_on_Kennedy/UPI-10641230083023/
Trying to crack the Kennedy mystique
TODD HEISLER/THE NEW YORK TIMES
After criticism that she had not opened up to the public or the press, Caroline Kennedy has held a series of print and television interviews. But she still hasn’t effectively explained her political opinions.
After years of avoiding the spotlight, Caroline wants to be senator. But what does she stand for?
Dec 28, 2008 04:30 AM
http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/558763
(Pssst…She doesn’t stand for anything. She was born with a silver spoon up her a**)
beber…millions?
Weak Source, but there’s really nothing on the web about Caroline’s Career. (She hasn’t DONE anything.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Kennedy
Career
Kennedy is an attorney, writer, editor and serves on the boards of numerous non-profit organizations.
From 2002 through 2004, Kennedy worked as director of the Office of Strategic Partnerships for the the New York City Department of Education. The three-day-a week job paid her a salary of $1 and had the goal of raising private money for the New York City public schools.[19] In that capacity, she helped raise more than $65 million for the city’s public schools.[20][3] She currently serves as one of two vice chairs of the board of directors of The Fund for Public Schools, a public-private partnership founded in 2002 to attract private funding for public schools in New York City.[21] According to The Politico, her children attended “one of Manhattan’s most exclusive private schools.” [22] She has also served on the board of trustees of Concord Academy, which she attended as a child.[23]
Kennedy and other members of her family created the Profiles in Courage Award in 1989. The award is given to a public official or officials at the federal, state or local level whose actions best demonstrate the qualities of politically courageous leadership in the spirit of John F. Kennedy’s book, Profiles in Courage.[24] In addition, Kennedy is currently president of the Kennedy Library Foundation.[3] She is also an adviser to the Harvard Institute of Politics, a living memorial to her father.
She is a member of the New York and Washington, D.C. bar associations. She is also a member of the boards of directors of the Commission on Presidential Debates and the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, and is an honorary chair of the American Ballet Theatre.[24]
Kennedy has represented her family at the funeral services of former Presidents Ronald Reagan in 2004 and Gerald Ford in 2007, and at the funeral service of former First Lady Lady Bird Johnson in 2007. She also represented her family at the dedication of the William J. Clinton Presidential Center and Park in Little Rock, Arkansas in November 2004.
New York Jews have done for the Irgun and Zonists terrorists what New England Irish did for the IRA/Catholic terrorists. They bankrolled both groups to legitimacy where non existed. Still do, at the costs of non-Catholic and non-Jewish lives.
Why are Libs so afraid of the word “Negro?”
It appears to be in the dictionary still and is the root word for description.
Perhaps the Spanish should take ‘negro’ out their language as well.
That way they describe things that are black with some empty strings of “”.
(Notice how Caroline helped raise Private Money for Public Schools, then sends her own kids to a Snob For-Rich-Only Private School. Hypocrite!)
It’s a shame tha Zionist in America can openly support Israel and bankroll them, but American Palistinians are denied the equal treatment.
If there is an attack of any kind on our soil it will be Obama’s fault. Even tho those same people who will cast blame found bush to be innocent of any negligence and incapable of any actions that may have prevented 911.
For those people only the members of the Democratic Party who are in positions of power need to be held accountable for anything.
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Linda do you ever read what you write before you push the post button? Do you ever read anything not posted on DU? Do you have a thought process you use when making statements this stupid?
Kansas Senate Minority Leader Anthony Hensley is going to sponsor a bill prohibiting legislators from lobbying for two years after they leave office:
http://kansasjackass.blogspot.com/2008/12/ks-leg-hensley-to-push-lobbying-reforms.html
It’s a great idea… so great in fact, that I called his office and suggested he add a provision including city employees.
Time to end the revolving door between the City Manager’s office and Cox Communications.
beber
Posted December 29, 2008 at 12:53 pm | Permalink
And never a word Regular, about the million plus people in the Gaza strip who are starved and suffering because of a blockcade imposed by the Jews, who are now bombing a city which has one of the most dense populations on earth?
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Ahh, another Socialist strikes. The Palestinians can’t survive without Israel, yet they want to destroy Israel at the same time.
Beber would have the Israeli’s forced to give aid to the Palestinians, who can’t support themselves, even though the Palestinians keep attacking Israel.
All Israel did was block the border to/from Israel. Palestinians needs to support themselves, and if they can’t you Socialists would force others to take care of them.
Not even the oil rich Arab states support their Muslim brothers, the Palestinians. (Other then providing arms and rockets to attack Israel.)
That would make for an interesting thought experiment. Let’s set it up as a board game. First wall off a nine block area of Wichita for grins put the 600 North block of Oliver at its center. Provide entry by checkpoint only at 2 locations. Control all food, water and utilities according to whims of a hostile larger population.
Let’s call our hero Ted the Regularestian. How would he overcome obstacles and succeed?
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Within the outer boundries of that territory lives one of the brothers who started Pizza Hut. I am thinking the neighborhood could afford some nice missles. Hehehe…
The Zionist in America derive their power from the fundies here. Which makes it extremely politically difficult to have any changes in our foreign policy re Israel.
The American public will first have to be re-educated to affect any meaningful change.
Oh by the way, No Child Left Behind was a Kennedy idea.
All you Libs love NCLB.
phantom. dreaming up more stuff. where did you find out that American palistines can not support the palistines. Or do you feel since they cannot support the terrorist element that they are being denied equal treatment.
There are a million and a half people right now in the Gaza strip who are being deprived of food and necessities by the Jews, Hick. Whenever the Jews get mad, they clamp down on the food. Now then, add to this the fact that the Jews have been at it for 60 years, and yes, millions have been killed, beaten, robbed, starved and imprisoned.
The Pals got along for over a thousand yrs. without the chosen tribe ruling their lands.
The name Israel was considered a marketing genius, Zion was originally strongly considered. But then you’d have lost much of the American support.
“wichhick” opines –
“monkey. you are so out of touch. why blame this on the cons? murder is murder.”
But I’m the one with the black-and-white world view?
Get your stories straight, CONs.
They can not fund organizations that want to take their country back from the aggressors.
phantom re-educated? plz start the process in detail so we can understand
ah but phantom they were offerred their own country over 50 years ago and they refused as long as there was going to be an Israel
phantom. do you therefore want them to fund terrorist organizations. is that what you support?
monkey.murder is murder
The Obama brownshirts will explain all.
Terrorist label depends on who’s doing the labeling.
If Israel decided to take over and occupy Egypt, it would be a short time before the Egyptian resistors were wearing the ‘Terrorist’ label.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted December 29, 2008 at 12:20 pm | Permalink
It’s not like you CONs are fooling anyone. We know it’s racism that makes you think “Barack the Magic Negro” is just about the funniest thing this side of Rastus jokes.
And we know where to find folks who chuckle when they type Barack HUSSEIN Obama and chortle about how much Obama sounds like Osama and how they both “pal around with terrorists. You find those kinds of people in trailer parks upwind of meth labs, in rusted-out pick-up trucks, and Republic Party leadership meetings.
It’s really painful sometimes to read your contortional rationalizations which purport to prove your lack of racism. Why back away from it? Strip yourself of that lying snake skin of fake indignity when you’re confronted with your bigotry against African-Americans, Hispanics, Gays, Lesbians, intellectuals, and teenage loose women. It’s not like your present political strategy is working that well for you anymore.
Trot out your jokes about the Obamas being just another bunch of blacks living in public housing. (I’ve already heard one of your right-wingnut radiots doing fifteen minutes on the new presidential limo –
“A big-ol’ gas-guzzlin’, pimped-out Cad’lac! Bling!”)
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So educate me, “outlander.” Tell me the nuances, the shades of gray, that make “Barack the Magic Negro” a viable and legitimate campaign tool for the leadership of the Republic Party.
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Monkey, I thought I’d just copy your entire post which you allege was about “Barrack, the Magic Negro”. As anyone can see, it was mostly about everything else other than “Barrack, the Magic Negro”. Yet you attempt to justify all your bigoted broad brush comments based on the “Barrack, the Magic Negro” issue, which you barely mentioned in your rant.
Not even really a good try.
beber. with only a million and a half now, there must have really been a lot of them at one time. wow
phantom. you sure avoided the question didn’t you . kind of like asking dems if they want America to win in Iraq.
phantom do want America to win in Iraq?
Oh and Monkey? Your mind evidently cannot distinguish between anyone who has a conservative thought and out and out racists. Lacking that capacity, you simply throw it all in one lump. You site the most extreme examples and then condemn half the nation.
It is people like you who create the division that is hurting our country.
“outlander” do try to keep up –
“Barack the Magic Negro” came late in this discussion of inherent CONservative racism that permeates Republic Party politics.
MH –
So why is a comment as to the wisdom of “hate crime” laws, a subject brought up by another poster, a vehicle to label anyone who disagrees with your party screed a “bigot?”
Beause you seek to use your label of “racist” and “bigot” to tar others who have the temerity to disagree with you. On, it appears, any subject at all. Have a different point of view than MH on energy policy? Taxes? The likelihood of space aliens bombing the Pentagon? Well, you’re a racist. Just askMH.
Why, you ask? Because you take a more conservative position than MH on [substitute your policy of choice here]; ergo, you’re a racist. After all, MH says so.
Criminee . . . . . . .
YOU raised the “Barack the magic Negro” crap; no one else. I won’t defend it, and I haven’t even tried. Wanna label the song as racist? Ok. You’ll get no disagreement from me.
Wanna tar everyone who disagrees with you on anything as racist (your current tactic)? Not a chance. You just expose yourself for the exploiter of race YOU are.
Now who’s the racist again?
GMC, I don’t think your comments have been racist, but I would point out that, even if Monkeyhawk was an “exploiter of race,” that would not make him a racist either.
Want to see real bigotry? How about, say, a guy who thinks marriage equality would result in preachers being prosecuted (as “hate crimes”) for preaching against homosexuality?
Yes, that argument was really made (as the culprit is not present, I’ll refrain from naming him), on this forum.
Is that ridiculous or what?
Want to see real bigotry? How about, say, a guy who thinks marriage equality would result in preachers being prosecuted (as “hate crimes”) for preaching against homosexuality?
Yes, that argument was really made (as the culprit is not present, I’ll refrain from naming him), on this forum.
Is that ridiculous or what?
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Apparently not too ridiculous for some on the left Rage.
http://catholicexchange.com/2008/06/04/112780/
I think Ms Kennedy wants to fill the remaining years of Mrs Clinton’s Senate term. Proclaiming she is going for the presidency is somewhat hysterical.
On the Magic Dragon song story:
Democrats garnered maybe 97 % of the votes from the black community. The Republicans got 3%. This man who sent out the “racially-tainted’ song wants to be the RNC’s top man. Now THAT is hysterical.
Way to win a discussion:
Start screaming “Racist” and “Bigot”. Sure see a lot of that on today’s open thread.
While I agree that the US is waaaay too cozy with Israel, it’s a little hard to throw them to the Arab wolves.
I’m no great supporter of Israel, but it’s difficult to see how anybody thinks the Arabs are, or ever will be our friends.
Israel is surrounded by countries who are dedicated to wiping them off the planet and say as much. It’s a little hard to condemn the Israelis for not setting still for that plan.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted December 29, 2008 at 1:47 pm | Permalink
“outlander” do try to keep up –
“Barack the Magic Negro” came late in this discussion of inherent CONservative racism that permeates Republic Party politics.
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This is where the term came from. Since when did the LA Times become conservative?
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,5335087.story
Wichhick — Please kindly define “win in Iraq” -
Is that too much to ask??
“GMC70″ –
Sometimes I feel like George C. Scott in “Patton,” yelling “Rommel, you son of a bitch, I read your book!”
Only in this case, I’ve read Newtie Gingrich and listened to his candidate-education tapes.
You CONs have an elaborate system of code words to spew your agendas. Like when George WMD Bush pulled out the “Dred Scott Decision” during one of the 2004 presidential debates. All the twice-born knew it was a coded reference addressed to Advocates of Illegal Abortion.
We all know the innocuous-sounding “Family Values” meme really means “Gays aren’t allowed to have a family.”
“Spreading Freedom and Democracy” is right wing newspeak for military aggression, US hegemony, and corporate imperialism.
“New York Values” is code for “Jew,” and Nancy Pelosi’s “San Francisco values” is code for “gay.”
Perhaps you’re unaware of how the code works in the minds of Gingrich, Rove, Atwater, et al. (In fact, you often seem perfectly qualified to plead ignorance.) But the fact is your hoary old “…what crime isn’t about hate?” canard is straight out of the Right Wing-nut code book.
Like one of my right-wingnut guests said back during my talk radio days, “It’s a sad state of affairs these days that you can’t abuse a faggot without it become a federal case.”
The “there’s no such thing as a hate crime” meme was all over CON media in the aftermath of the James Byrd murder. You CONs always seem to return to type.
And you can’t succeed in trying to slough off the “Barack the Magic Negro” as insane prattling of the Republic Party’s lunatic fringe. It was distributed by Chip Saltsman who was (probably still is) a leading candidate to become the top guy in Republic Party leadership.
The top guy.
He knows his target audience.
““New York Values” is code for “Jew,””
Are these in a book someplace?
“While I agree that the US is waaaay too cozy with Israel, it’s a little hard to throw them to the Arab wolves.
I’m no great supporter of Israel, but it’s difficult to see how anybody thinks the Arabs are, or ever will be our friends” — xxx
Agreed, but do you think the Jews in Israel are our friends? How so? What exactly do they do for us except sell us tours to the Holy land?
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fleettwood
Posted December 29, 2008 at 2:37 pm | Permalink
““New York Values” is code for “Jew,””
Are these in a book someplace?
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Fleettwood: They were on sale at the mid town branch of the “Racist homophobic war mongering child hating, book burners” society.
I don’t know how Monkey got his hands on it.
“What exactly do they do for us except sell us tours to the Holy land?”?
Is this code for something?
Why is it that twice that I know of, Jews have invaded the middle East and been able to tag “villan” on the people living there? When 1st they came on the scene (old Testament)they attacked the Philistines, a people whose name is now a synonym for infamy. Then they showed up again in the 30’s (old League of Nations) eventually tagging same thing on the Palestinians. Fighting back is not in Gods’ plan for those who oppose Zionism, I guess…. or what you can do with public relations is amazing, take your pick.
Just listened to Barrack the Magic Negro. Play it for everyone in the land. It can only help the Democratic cause. Most of the dumb assed Cons will think he really is magic.
But a diaspora, now that is in God’s plan, and that is exactly what is going to happen to them. In two decades, the Jews will be a minority even in Israel.
When you consider the populations they control, they already are a minority.
sursum
Posted December 29, 2008 at 2:50 pm | Permalink
Why is it that twice that I know of, Jews have invaded the middle East and been able to tag “villan” on the people living there? When 1st they came on the scene (old Testament)they attacked the Philistines, a people whose name is now a synonym for infamy.
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Proof positive that you don’t need to know anything about your subject to post here.
Yeah outlander, that region has changed hands more than a woman changes her mind at a shoe store.
Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, British, etc. etc. have at anyone time controlled the region.
Also, the Philistines are not Palestinians. The Philistines were from Egypt and not a Semitic race.
Want to show where the Philistines were Egyptians?? Hmmmm??
BTW, Palestine was not, and is not a nation state. Rather it refers to a region.
“outlander” responds to “fleettwood’s” –
“New York Values” is code for “Jew,”
Are these in a book someplace?
…with…
“They were on sale at the mid town branch of the “Racist homophobic war mongering child hating, book burners” society.”
Uhm, no.
Once again you have no idea what you’re talking about. My reference is candidate education materials distributed by Newtie Gingrich’s GOPac.
“I don’t know how Monkey got his hands on it.”
A serious breach in the competence of you Republic Party partisans, obviously.
You know when you guys refer to the “Jew York Times?” Have you even considered the target of the twice-borns’ counter-attack on “The War on Christmas”?
Just which December holidays to the Christists object to? New Year’s Eve? Kitty Hawk Day? Kwanza?
Nope, marketers simply decided Hanukkah occurs around the same time as Saturnalia and Festivus and shopping season begins around Thanksgiving and decided to say “Season’s Greetings” or “Happy Holidays” and the twice-born found a way to discriminate and claim victimhood.
If you really believed you were Rapture-Ready you’d give me all your stuff right now. Or do you doubt your theology?
If I remember right, the quote was: Rommel, you magnificent bastard, i read your book
Dennis
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Chas
Posted December 29, 2008 at 3:11 pm | Permalink
Want to show where the Philistines were Egyptians?? Hmmmm??
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Sure Chas, but thought you were some sort of Bible expert. Everyone who has a vague familiarity to the term ‘uncircumcised Philistine.’ This means that they were not Semitic and most likely one of the groups from the Egyptian empire from captured sailors or trading sailors of the Mycenaean or Hellenistic empires. They were found to have a Mycenaean base to their language in recent archaeological finds.
In Genesis: Caphtorites (or Caphtorim) were a people first mentioned in Genesis 10:13-14 in the Table of Nations which lists them as a descendant of Mizraim thereby making them an Egyptian people.
(wiki)
The Hebrew tradition recorded in Genesis 10:14 states that the “Pelishtim” (?????????????, Standard Hebrew /p?lištim/, Tiberian Hebrew /p?lištîm/) proceeded from the “Pathrusim” (???????????) and the “Casluhim” (???????????), who descended from Mizraim
Mizraim = Egypt
“If you really believed you were Rapture-Ready you’d give me all your stuff right now. Or do you doubt your theology?”
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That mid day toking is gonna take its toll on you Monkey.
I forget, do conservatives supposedly cut the Jews too much slack by supporting Israel, or hate them as evidenced by the Jew York Times. (I’ve never heard that one). I mean, according to the Book of Monkey?
You’re correct, “YellowdogLiberal” –
I mis-remembered.
Still, the feeling was there.
MH – Would you mind sharing the secret decoder ring?
Interestingly, it seems that the left has assigned the “codes” to fit whatever tar they wish to fling. Thus, you claim for yourself the ability to define for me what I mean.
How convenient. And how self-serving.
And all the while you claim the high road. How hypocrital.
THE PHILISTINES
Statements in the Bible
The Hebrew tradition recorded in Genesis 10:14 states that the “Pelishtim” (?????????????, Standard Hebrew /p?lištim/, Tiberian Hebrew /p?lištîm/) proceeded from the “Pathrusim” (???????????) and the “Casluhim” (???????????), who descended from Mizraim (?????????, Egypt), son of Ham. The Philistines settled “Pelesheth” (?????????, Standard Hebrew /p?léšet/ or /p?lášet/, Tiberian Hebrew /p?léše?/ or /P?l?še?/) along the eastern Mediterranean coast at about the time when the Israelites settled in the Judean highlands. Biblical references to Philistines living in the area before this, at the time of Abraham or Isaac (e.g. Gen. 21:32-34), are generally regarded by modern scholars to be anachronisms.
The Philistines are spoken of in the Book of Amos as originating in Caphtor: “saith the LORD: Have not I brought up Israel out of the land of Egypt? and the Philistines from Caphtor, and Aram from Kir?” (Amos 9:7). Later, in the 7th century BC, Jeremiah makes the same association with Caphtor. “For the LORD will spoil the Philistines, the remnant of the country of Caphtor.” (Jeremiah 47:4). Scholars variously identify the land of Caphtor with Cyprus and Crete and other locations in the eastern Mediterranean.
Most authorities agree that the Philistines are not autochthonous to the regions of Israel/Palestine which the Bible describes them inhabiting. The Bible contains roughly 250 references to the Philistines or Philistia, and repeatedly refers to them as “uncircumcised”, unlike the Semitic peoples, such as Canaanites, which the Bible relates encountered the Israelites following the Exodus. (See, e.g., 1 Samuel 17:26-36, 2 Samuel 1:20, Judges 14:3)
Origin of the Philistines
It has been suggested that the Philistines formed part of the great naval confederacy, the “Sea Peoples,” who had wandered, at the beginning of the 12th century BC, from their homeland in Crete and the Aegean islands to the shores of the Mediterranean and repeatedly attacked Egypt during the later Nineteenth Dynasty. Though they were eventually repulsed by Ramesses III, he finally resettled them, according to the theory, to rebuild the coastal towns in Canaan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistia
Hmmm, I thought the Philistines we pegged as bad guys but maybe some folks get their history from Hollywood. Like Exodus, a folly filled account of Jewish illegal immigration
Several conflicts amongst the scholars eh Chas?
For sure, the Philistines were not native to Palestine, therefore not Palestinians in the true sense of the word as being an indigenous Semitic race as some Arab Palestinians claim.
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sursum
Posted December 29, 2008 at 3:48 pm | Permalink
Hmmm, I thought the Philistines we pegged as bad guys but maybe some folks get their history from Hollywood. Like Exodus, a folly filled account of Jewish illegal immigration
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Bad guys to the Hebrews perhaps…
Excavation of their culture find the Philistines to be quiet advanced and culturally adept in making pottery and sculpture which may find its roots in Minoan or Mycenae.
I would be interested in discussing the the hate crime issue rationally if that is possible. Which it may not be.
I remember 2000 candidate George W. Bush being against Hate crimes and his arguement/question essentially was – is the victim any more aggreived if the crime was motivated by hate or not?
In Germany, it is illegal to deny the holocaust, which could in this country be taken as an affront to 1st Ammendment rights.
The guy who runs the Southern Povery Law Center represented the mother of a African American killed by a Klan member. The crime was considered a hate crime. The perp’s actions were consistent with his hateful ideology and as a result of the trial the mother was given property and land owned by the Klan. This doesn’t bother me.
I think the nuttiest of ideas should be protected by the 1st Amendment, but if those nutty ideas get translated into violent action, then I don’t have a problem with heightened penalties.
A link to a publication by the SPLC:
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/intrep.jsp
I would be interested in discussing the the hate crime issue rationally if that is possible. Which it may not be.
Steven:
It’s not. Or didn’t you get your secret decoder ring?
Heavens – stop talking about actual “rational” discussion; if you’re not carefuly soon you too will be a ‘evil racist warmongering anti-semetic homophobic environment-destroying capitalist exploiter-pig fascist.” Next thing you know, you’ll be clubbing baby seals in front of howling crowds of neo-nazis carrying AK-47s.
Did I miss any codes, MH?
“…being an indigenous Semitic race as some Arab Palestinians claim.”
Do the Arab Palestinians claim that the Philistines were/are anindigenous Semitic race?? I have not heard that one before…
Last I knew, the Philistines were from what are now “greek” areas, and they came into the Mediterranean… and attacked various points along the coastal areas, including Egypt… Their pottery, and native language would certainly lend themselves to a Cretan or possibly Minoan origin…
The indigenous Semitic peoples would be the ancient Masai tribes of East Africa, and even Ethiopia, the Arameans, the Hebrews, and some others…
I think another way I see the hate crime issue is that crimes committed by organized hate groups are deserving of enhanced penalties in the same way that organized crime groups can be prosecuted under the RICO Act and given enhanced penalties.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act
Semitic people origins in Africa?
That’s news to me Chas – I’ve always read they came from Mesopotamia region of the Middle east and are described by a common language (Semitic) rather than a race.
Apparently not too ridiculous for some on the left Rage.
Say what you will about the Canadian law, which would never past muster in American courts (and, by the way, the magazine won).
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/07/05/Commission_Catholic_magazine_not_hateful/UPI-40461215291995/
We can get pretty far afield, but even if Canadian ‘liberals’ support abuses of Section 13.1 (your claim, not mine), that doesn’t make the dumb argument about same-sex marriage somehow leading to hate-speech laws in America any less nutty.
I don’t see the hate distinction.
Murder or violence is an act of hate by anyone.
By political action is terrorism which is also hate.
Well, Regular, I was in Seminary with a Masai from East Africa… The common bond is language… not race… But, this man was definitely from East Africa…. And his tribe’s native tongue was Semitic…
Also, remember the Ethiopian Eunuch, who was reading the Prophet Isaiah, when he was encountered by Phillip…. must have been reading it in Hebrew, or one of the dialects, or possibly Ugaritic…. And the Ethiopian was certainly not of mesopotamian origins…. :-)
A test. Which of these actions rises to a crime? Many of these are crimes, but would they rise to the level of justifying enhanced penalties? These are examples of “hate incidents” as listed by the SPLC.
Shreveport
Published on 12-08-2008
Shreveport police arrested Jimmy Booth, 25, of Longview Texas accusing him of second degree battery against Kaylon Johnson, 32. Johnson, a volunteer worker for the Barack Obama campaign, suffered a broken nose, broken tear duct and broken eye socket. He says racial slurs were launched against him and President-Elect Barack Obama.
Nassau
Published on 11-29-2008
A swastika and the letters “KKK” were found scrawled in a ballfield.
Long Island
Published on 11-28-2008
Eight white teens allegedly shouted racial slurs at two Latino men and threatened to kill all Spanish people.
Gulfport
Published on 11-19-2008
Dyron Hart, a 19-year-old black man, was arrested for allegedly posing as a white racist on a social networking site and sending e-mails to three Nicholls State University students threatening to kill them because Barack Obama won the presidential election.
Ada
Published on 10-11-2008
Ku Klux Klan fliers wrapped around newspapers were distributed.
Greenville
Published on 11-19-2008
A noose was hung in the student center of Furman University.
Overland Park
Published on 09-19-2008
An African American couple found a flier with a picture of a Ku Klux Klan member on it that included a threat along with racial and sexual slurs.
Another thing of local interest, the SPLC designates the Fred Phelps Westburo Church as a hate group. Agree or disagree with that one?
http://www.ethnologue.com/show_family.asp?subid=89998
When you consider the vast number of Arabic dialects that are also Semitic, the numbers get staggering…. I have been amazed at how many folks I have met over the years who think Hebrew was a language invented by the Children of Israel (who, some have claimed, invented their language to confuse the Pharaoh)
“…but would they rise to the level of justifying enhanced penalties?”
No. Just charge them and be done with it.
Long Island
Published on 11-28-2008
Eight white teens allegedly shouted racial slurs at two Latino men and threatened to kill all Spanish people.
-For starters these in-bred kids need a Geography lesson.
It’s almost funny in how absurd it is.
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beber
Posted December 29, 2008 at 2:47 pm | Permalink
Agreed, but do you think the Jews in Israel are our friends? How so? What exactly do they do for us except sell us tours to the Holy land?
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Berber, do you think that any Islamic nation is our friend? I think the Israelis come a lot closer. Maybe it’s just the thing about “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”.
This argument has been going on for a couple of thousand years (give or take) and nothing we say or do is going to settle it. Like it or not, Israel is a lot closer ideologically to us than the Arabs ever will be. And Israel DOES have a right to exist. The Arabs need to figure out what happens when they stick their finger in Israel’s eye; they get clobbered.
A test. Which of these actions rises to a crime? Many of these are crimes, but would they rise to the level of justifying enhanced penalties? These are examples of “hate incidents” as listed by the SPLC.
Shreveport
Published on 12-08-2008
Shreveport police arrested Jimmy Booth, 25, of Longview Texas accusing him of second degree battery against Kaylon Johnson, 32. Johnson, a volunteer worker for the Barack Obama campaign, suffered a broken nose, broken tear duct and broken eye socket. He says racial slurs were launched against him and President-Elect Barack Obama.
This was a pretty vicious attack. But, maybe the guy just hated democrats. We’d be locking up plenty here if that were a crime.
Nassau
Published on 11-29-2008
A swastika and the letters “KKK” were found scrawled in a ballfield.
this would be defacing property, but not clear if it would rise to a hate crime.
Long Island
Published on 11-28-2008
Eight white teens allegedly shouted racial slurs at two Latino men and threatened to kill all Spanish people.
This would be a possiblity of a hate crime for me. More detail would be needed.
Gulfport
Published on 11-19-2008
Dyron Hart, a 19-year-old black man, was arrested for allegedly posing as a white racist on a social networking site and sending e-mails to three Nicholls State University students threatening to kill them because Barack Obama won the presidential election.
This is an interesting one, and could be a hate crime in my view.
Ada
Published on 10-11-2008
Ku Klux Klan fliers wrapped around newspapers were distributed.
A good reason to cancel a subscription to the newspaper, but not much else.
Greenville
Published on 11-19-2008
A noose was hung in the student center of Furman University.
Need more information.
Overland Park
Published on 09-19-2008
An African American couple found a flier with a picture of a Ku Klux Klan member on it that included a threat along with racial and sexual slurs.
Another unclear one – specific threats against this couple?
Another thing of local interest, the SPLC designates the Fred Phelps Westburo Church as a hate group. Agree or disagree with that one?
I agree with them. Makes ya proud to share the same state with Fred.
fleettwood
Posted December 29, 2008 at 4:35 pm | Permalink
“…but would they rise to the level of justifying enhanced penalties?”
No. Just charge them and be done with it.
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It does seem that hate crime legislation is opposed by die-hard conservatives, can any of you provide an explanation for that position? This question is asked with sincere interest. I am going out for dinner, but will be back later.
When in doubt, throw the entire kettle of vegetable soup on the table, eh Davis?
Clarity is not your strong suit is it?
And, of course, a lot of the “hate crime” legislation came about to our inherently cobbled-together legal codes which contradict each other time and again from state to state and between local and federal venues.
Small-government federalists are all too often to toss away their principles when a politically inconvenient issue raises its head. The people of the State of California think marijuana is a minor burden compared to warehousing small-time weed dealers for 20-to-life. But the “small government federalists” know all too well the strength of “getting tough on crime” and caging kids who sell a doobie at a rock concert.
The concept of mitigating and aggravating circumstances in crime is far too nuanced for 30-second political commercials. Far better to “get tough on crime” than to discuss nuance.
Frankly, I think someone mugging me and taking my wallet and watch with the threat of a gun is pretty serious crime.
But that same someone who whacks a little old lady walking her arthritic Pomeranian, or stomping on the face of a 90-year-old might be considered a more severe crime than the one against me.
As soon as someone whacks and stomps a person perceived as a minority — different color, different religion, different gender orientation — it seems the motivation for such an attack is an aggravating factor and should be adjudicated.
Especially when the attacker doesn’t even bother to take the wallet and/or watch.
The logistics of legislation resulted in certain crimes being defined as hate crimes. It probably would be more efficient of the concept of aggravating circumstances were put in the mix but legislation is a decidedly inefficient process most of the time. (And when it’s efficient, it’s usually wrong-headed. Like with “Freedom Fries.”)
So you may be able to erect a flaming cross on my lawn and get away with it by claiming it was just your way to offer a glow-in-the-dark testament of your faith. But as soon as you burn a cross on the lawn of an African-American or Jewish family, be prepared to have your motives subjected to other considerations.
That’s reality, “GMC70.” Not your petty little personal prejudices that help you rationalize your drifting away from your oft-proclaimed “principles.”
“It does seem that hate crime legislation is opposed by die-hard conservatives, can any of you provide an explanation for that position? This question is asked with sincere interest. I am going out for dinner, but will be back later.”
It’s been my experience that many “die hard conservatives” are mostly unsuccessful, uneducated, low income kinds of folks with poor self esteem, who need to hate gays, minorities, etc. because it enables them to feel superior to someone.
In a preview of the coming intensification of culture wars under Obamanation’s so-called administration now being assembled, over 100 pro-life volunteers showed up in bitter cold weather to offer alternative assistance and warnings to desperate mothers, as Tiller’s late-term abortion mill, in a rare exception, was open for its grim business during the weekend, likely illegally mangling, dismembering, poisoning, and beheading more viable babies, in continuing flagrant violations of state laws. Their banner of truth over Tiller’s parking lot entrance read “Please do not kill your baby. You will regret it for the rest of your life.”
Well, the “Philistines” were in place when Abraham show up on the scene regardless of the origins of the national/cultural terminology. Having a said all that, the Palentinians must come to grips with realpolitik for things will not change without the consent of Israel and dialogue is better than rockets. Jaw, jaw, is better than war, war. Winston S.Curchill
It’s been my experience that many “die hard conservatives” are mostly unsuccessful, uneducated, low income kinds of folks with poor self esteem, who need to hate gays, minorities, etc. because it enables them to feel superior to someone.
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Hmmm… Let me ask you this Mary. When you hear someone utter a slur, do you ask them what their political ideology is? Or do you just think, hate equals conservative. And they are yucky so they can’t be libs like me.
Is racist synonymous with conservative? Can a liberal be racist? Can they be homo hating? What about a pro-choice homo hater? Where do they fit?
I wish people would think instead of throwing labels around.
It’s not too hard to figure out what ideology a person subscribes to when they utter a slur, all you have to do is ask them and they will gladly tell you…often they declare their bigotry along with their political preference. I’ve heard it time and time again.
I have yet to meet someone with a liberal point of view that is also a racist or a bigot. It just hasn’t happened in my world.
No, I don’t think a liberal can be racist or homophobic. That’s anti-liberal at the core.
You might find a social liberal and a fiscal conservative in the same mold but usually not the other way around.
I’m not throwing around labels…just attempting to answer Stephen’s question.
As a nurse I meet people from all walks of life.. every age, race, religion, etc…and I can tell you from my personal experience that almost always those who think nothing of expressing bigotry and racism consider themselves to be conservative Christians who vote Republican.
“Berber, do you think that any Islamic nation is our friend? I think the Israelis come a lot closer. Maybe it’s just the thing about “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. ” — xxx
ha ha: berber. I doubt we really have any friends. Israel has a right to exist just like we do; as long as someone doesn’t wipe them/us out.
Yeah you begged me not to kill my baby too Parkay, on your hands and knees, and I wasn’t even pregnant.
MH – you know next to nothing about me, or any alleged prejudices you so conveniently assign to me without a whit of evidence of same.
However, even the stopped clock is right occasionally. Motive is certainly relevant to punishment. It is not however, generally an element of an offense; making it so further complicates a criminal code that has far too many “crimes” and complexities in it anyway, and unnecessarily complicates the job of a prosecutor who can and should prosecute vigorously the little POS who put a swastika on the local ballfield.
Unfortunately, the SCOTUS has held that any factor which enhances a crime beyond it’s statutory maximum (such as a “hate crime” element) must be proven to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt (the case is Apprendi, for those who want to look it up). That makes letting judges use sentencing to enhance problematic, especially with a rather limiting sentencing grid scheme like Kansas (just one reason I don’t particularly like the Kansas grid, BTW. But it is the legislature’s prerogative).
Yes, erecting the burning cross, whether on your lawn or the the black family’s, is a crime, MH. And it’s a crime no matter why a defendant did it, whether because he just wanted to proclaim his “faith” or because he’s a racist SOB. The crime – the act – is exactly the same, either way. It’s a criminal damage to property; perhaps an arson, perhaps a criminal threat. If charged as a criminal threat, the obvious history and symbolism of the act certainly matters; it goes to the clearly implied threat. I don’t need “hate crime” legislation to prosecute that crime; in fact, inserting it complicates what should be a fairly straightforward prosecution.
Which is why I stand by what I said in the beginning: “hate crime” legislation may be good public relations, but it’s not good law. And it comes dangerously close to criminalizing thought, never a good thing no matter how offensive the particular point of view.
I’m not throwing around labels…just attempting to answer Stephen’s question.
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What question was that Mary?
“GMC70″ on hate crimes –
“… t complicates what should be a fairly straightforward prosecution.”
Probably because “you’re just too stupid.”
I win!
I’m going to crawl into bed and pull the covers over my head….my 2 year old granddaughter went back to North Carolina today…I spent all day cleaning and finding little belongings her dad neglected to pack and wiping her fingerprints off my patio windows… She held her arms out to me and cried “grandma” while her dad was carrying her away, up the ramp to airport security. We won’t see her again until next summer.
I’m so depressed I can’t deal with life..I need to go cry for awhile…
‘Huge year for natural disasters’
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7803624.stm
“Climate change has already started and is very probably contributing to increasingly frequent weather extremes and ensuing natural catastrophes.
Torsten Jeworrek
Munich Re “
“It does seem that hate crime legislation is opposed by die-hard conservatives, can any of you provide an explanation for that position? This question is asked with sincere interest. I am going out for dinner, but will be back later.”
That one.
‘Bye.
To me, Steven, Rico applies when one group perpetrates a crime against other person or group. But a hate crime in of itself can be done by a single person independent of their ‘group’.
A racket is by definition a business of organized crime, and I don’t think one person constitutes a business.
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cosmos_originally
Posted December 29, 2008 at 5:39 pm | Permalink
‘Huge year for natural disasters’
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7803624.stm
“Climate change has already started and is very probably contributing to increasingly frequent weather extremes and ensuing natural catastrophes.
Torsten Jeworrek
Munich Re “
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“And that means we get to jack our premiums way up in anticipation! Isn’t climate science wonderful? I am a big fan of Al Gore”. — Torsten Jeworrek Munich Re
Personally I’d really like to see domestic violence fall under the category of a hate crime, or at least be taken far more seriously than it is. It is the number one unnatural killer of women.
Why do men kill their wives? *or vice versa, occassionally*, control and a deep seeded hatred and fear of women.
Rage: I understand that in Canada abortion is available and paid for by the insurance plan, but if a doctor is opposed to abortion they are not expected to perform the procedure. Same thing with same-sex marriages, it’s legal but if offensive to religious beliefs one cannot be forced into officiating. A Moslem group sued MacLeans magazine up there claiming a brief history presented in the article was a defamation of Islam. It got thrown out for what was writen was historically correct, but if the writer had insinuated some Muslims to be terrorists,they might have won. Laws in a more Liberal society do not deter justice one bit. There are two different justice systems which infulence their laws, Code Napoleon(Quebec)and English Common Law elsewhere, a hybrid which seems to produce less lawsuits, coupled with the fact Canadian lawyers work for a stated fee win or loose, not a % of the “winnings”.
outlander posted December 29, 2008 at 5:45 pm
“And that means we get to jack our premiums way up in anticipation! Isn’t climate science wonderful? I am a big fan of Al Gore”. — Torsten Jeworrek Munich Re
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I wonder what Mr. Jeworrek, the WE editors, McClatchy, and Munich Re think about “outlander’s” FALSE quote?
And thanks again outlander, for sarcastically attacking Al Gore, instead of the large, worldwide group of climate scientists.
outlander can not refute their climate science, so he attacks Gore.
BTW: Most of the estimated 130,000 people killed by cyclone Nargis in Burma did not pay “premiums”.
Umm.. Me dis Al Gore? No Cosmos. But you are often wrong so no surprise there. Allow me to ’splain it to you.
The comment was offered to demonstrate that the head of Munich Re has a good financial reason to promote the global warming agenda.
“But a hate crime in of itself can be done by a single person independent of their ‘group’.”
I believe this could be true, but it seemed to me if one belonged to a hate group and acted in accordance with said hate, then it would be easier to label it a hate crime.
I get stuff from Morris Deitz of the SPLC and I am impressed that many of the people he is after sound to be very mentally ill. And I am not saying that because I disagee with their free speech, but instead many sound clinically paranoid to me.
outlander posted December 29, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Umm.. Me dis Al Gore? No Cosmos. But you are often wrong so no surprise there. Allow me to ’splain it to you.
The comment was offered to demonstrate that the head of Munich Re has a good financial reason to promote the global warming agenda.
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outlander, explain why a reinsurance company would urge action to reduce GHG’s.
Regular
Posted December 29, 2008 at 4:45 pm | Permalink
When in doubt, throw the entire kettle of vegetable soup on the table, eh Davis?
Clarity is not your strong suit is it?
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I wish you made more sense, James. Would you please work on that in the upcoming new year?
Oh no Davis!
Not understanding metaphor and irony?
You are failing the Lib standard of intellectual smugness.
Because they are on the bandwagon Cosmos. If there is no global warming, there is no increased risks for huge destructive storms that will reduce entire cities to rubble, but most importantly, no reason to raise premiums. Perception is reality.
Sell me some carbon credits QUICK! I just cleaned my oven and Obama’s gonna get me for sure!!!!
( Ahem, no REALITY is reality.)
outlander posted December 29, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Because they are on the bandwagon Cosmos. … Perception is reality.
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No, reality is reality. And scientific methodology is not a “bandwagon”.
But don’t let facts, data, and reality get in the way of your unsupportable opinions, outlander.
I see Cosmos.
BTW, where did Mr. Jeworrek get his climatology degree?
What? He doesn’t have one?
Oh, I understand. He may not have a degree, or be a climate scientist (for which you constantly degrade others), but he says the right thing.
Got it.
Cos, thinks an insurance exec is a credible source of AWG even though he has financial interests but attacks skeptics he claims to have financial interests with oil, gas and coal industries. The insurance industry combined with the carbon credit scam, companies like GE light bulb and wind generator subsidiaries, and their allies in government with mandate and tax abate powers all have abundantly more financial and political power than all the fossil fuel industries combined. AIG (insurance company) is getting multi billion dollar bailout. GE owns NBC and MSBC so they have the extreme left wing media in bed them too.
Is this what you call empirical evidence of the AWG theory? It is still only anecdotal at best.
“I get stuff from Morris Deitz of the SPLC and I am impressed that many of the people he is after sound to be very mentally ill. And I am not saying that because I disagee with their free speech, but instead many sound clinically paranoid to me.” [SED]
I am also quite familiar with Morris Dees, and I would agree with you Steven. His concern is to try to do something with the clinically paranoid folks running around among us, and in many cases, actually able to influence sometimes large groups of folks who dont know the extent of the paranoia…
outlander posted December 29, 2008 at 7:31 pm
BTW, where did Mr. Jeworrek get his climatology degree?
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Where did I claim that he had one?
outlander, do you have a degree in the climate field, and have you done AGW science?
Do you have a hypothesis that refutes AGW, that is supported by observations, and withstands scrutiny and re-testing by other climate scientists?
No. . .?
Then WHAT qualifies YOU to claim that the scientists who have done many decades of AGW science are wrong?
America can do this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/30/us/30weatherize.html?partner=permalink&exprod=permalink
Emphasis on Weatherization Represents Shift on Energy Costs
A promise to weatherize more homes with public help would mark a shift in government energy assistance: cutting poor people’s energy bills instead of helping to pay them.
Win. Win. Win.
donndublin
Posted December 29, 2008 at 7:39 pm | Permalink
Cos, thinks an insurance exec is a credible source of AWG even though he has financial interests but attacks skeptics he claims to have financial interests with oil, gas and coal industries
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Yes don, Cosmos sure stepped in it didn’t he? At least now he can’t criticize opinion pieces based on climatology background without being a hypocrite.
At least now he can’t criticize opinion pieces based on climatology background,…
Or special interests.
But somehow, I don’t think Cosmos will be embarrassed to be hypocritical.
Is there a list somewhere that outlines the qualifications needed to become a U. S. Senator?
Did Brownback, or Roberts, or Helms, or Byrd, or Thurmond, or Lott meet such qualifications?? How about Grassly?? Or Hatch??
“Israel DOES have a right to exist.”
I don’t disagree.
But I ALSO do no see how it is (beyond legend) that they have a right to the specific piece of ground they claim.
They picked just about THE WORST place to put their country. They might do better to move it.
Shhhh Blue Jay — Somebody might want to give them Kansas… Might not hurt!!
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cosmos_originally
Posted December 29, 2008 at 8:32 pm | Permalink
outlander posted December 29, 2008 at 7:31 pm
BTW, where did Mr. Jeworrek get his climatology degree?
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Where did I claim that he had one?
outlander, do you have a degree in the climate field, and have you done AGW science?
Do you have a hypothesis that refutes AGW, that is supported by observations, and withstands scrutiny and re-testing by other climate scientists?
No. . .?
Then WHAT qualifies YOU to claim that the scientists who have done many decades of AGW science are wrong?
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cosmos refuse to answer about his qualifications in Climatology.
cosmos is afraid he will be found out.
While the rest of us are known factors, the cowardly Libs on this blog hide behind their computers.
Guess they don’t believe enough in what they write to stand up for it.
Pitiful and cowardly.
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BlueJay
Posted December 29, 2008 at 8:59 pm | Permalink
But I ALSO do no see how it is (beyond legend) that they have a right to the specific piece of ground they claim.
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PSSST! BlueJay. The Arab claim to that same piece of ground is also based on “legend”.
R P McMurphy sent this in an email.
It’s unbelievable! This artist can’t read or write, said his teachers made him feel ’small.’ Take a look at his art! Amazing!
http://www.maniacworld.com/art-in-the-eye-of-a-needle.html
Yeah I know X.
But THEIR claim has a little more recent connection in historical possession.
Here’s how I see it.
The world felt bad for what happened to the Jews during World War II and quite rightly so.
The world (or rather the victors of the war) decided that the Jewish people deserved a homeland.
SO they reached into historical religious text and gave them one.
Now, the Arab people had NOTHING to do with the Holocaust.
But because the Jewish homeland was HISTORICALLY on their turf, they got to supply that homeland.
Let’s face it. There will NEVER be peace out of that decision. NE VER.
Throw in that SOME Christians NEED Israel in that place, the attendant conflict, and ultimately a battle of Armageddon and you have a pretty poor pretext for the construction of a country.
Wow… good one Linda!!
Hard to imagine isn’t it, Chas? Why do you suppose some find success when accused of being a failure? I would say he found a way of expressing himself while proving he isn’t “nothing!” He is truly “something” special!
Did the blog change? The preview section looks very different. Any other changes I haven’t noticed?
Another way I see the whole thing is a classic case of “Let’s you and him fight!”
Judaism begat Christianity. Christianity begat Islam.
SO Christianity plays Judaism against Islam on the gameboard of a region of the planet that nobody else really wants.
It’s all so silly when you consider it is based on NOTHING more than words in books by people who are dead thousands of years ago.
Regular
Posted December 29, 2008 at 6:54 pm | Permalink
Oh no Davis!
Not understanding metaphor and irony?
You are failing the Lib standard of intellectual smugness.
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Still trying to interpret Regularese for what that trouble is worth.
I thought my post revealed how ambiguous the whole problem was. If you got that, it would be a huge surprise to me.
I just assumed in your post-CVA status you might be more cognitively rigid than before. If I was wrong, pardon me…
Nighty, night James…
“Christianity begat Islam.”
Not exactly, BlueJay… Abraham is the father of BOTH Isaac, and Ishmael… It would be the sons of Ishmael who would become the Muslims.
Islam is much more a spinoff of Judaism than Christianity… Although, Islam seems to have a place of “honor” for the personage of Jesus… not in a divine/godly sense, but as a prophet and teacher.
I have always been amazed that the promise given to Abraham regarding his son Isaac, and the promise given to the mother of Ishmael, are almost identical… namely, that both the sons of Abraham would be fathers of many nations…
And, obviously, so they were….
outlander posted December 29, 2008 at 8:45 pm
donndublin
Posted December 29, 2008 at 7:39 pm | Permalink
Cos, thinks an insurance exec is a credible source of AWG even though he has financial interests but attacks skeptics he claims to have financial interests with oil, gas and coal industries
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Yes don, Cosmos sure stepped in it didn’t he? At least now he can’t criticize opinion pieces based on climatology background without being a hypocrite.
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donndublin,
Did you not read my link? Or do you not understand the words “suggested”, “probably”, and the record warm years stats?
outlander,
Yes, I definitely can criticise opinion pieces, without being a hypocrite.
outlander, why are you so dense that you can not understand the huge difference between a mere opinion, and the scientific methodology of hypothesis, data collection, research, testing, peer review, publication, retesting by other scientists, etc.? That’s pathetic.
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BlueJay
Posted December 29, 2008 at 9:39 pm | Permalink
It’s all so silly when you consider it is based on NOTHING more than words in books by people who are dead thousands of years ago.
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Yeah, isn’t it amazing what people of any faith get out of those old books.
Teenagers who pledge to remain virgins until marriage are just as likely to have premarital sex as those who do not promise abstinence and are significantly less likely to use condoms and other forms of birth control when they do, according to a study released today.
The new analysis of data from a large federal survey found that more than half of youths became sexually active before marriage regardless of whether they had taken a “virginity pledge,” but that the percentage who took precautions against pregnancy or sexually transmitted diseases was 10 points lower for pledgers than for non-pledgers.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/28/AR2008122801588.html?hpid=topnews
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I’m just saying……..
I’m not meaning to demean it X.
But the deal is, putting faith into geographical practice just is not working.
As a last post, I will note that we get much from ancient/old works. My favorite is from the story of Faust.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust
A story where the protagonist sells his soul for knowledge.
Maybe we all do that more than we would like to admit.
StevenEDavis posted December 29, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Still trying to interpret Regularese for what that trouble is worth.
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It’s a complete waste of time.
I’ve been on a kitchen remodel all day and into the evening and I’m beat.
Israel, where it is, will never have peace. The region will never have peace. People will continue to die and nothing will change.
Night all. Take care…
Listening to Norman Blake as I type. Have heard the man live many times. He is a true genius…
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BlueJay
Posted December 29, 2008 at 10:34 pm | Permalink
I’m not meaning to demean it X.
But the deal is, putting faith into geographical practice just is not working.
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Yeah, I kno… And I was having some fun with it myself… God’s word comes to us in the form of an ancient old book and I can definitely see how someone who has no faith might be a little uncomfortable with that. Downright scary, what?
“But the deal is, putting faith into geographical practice just is not working.”
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So what alternative do you offer? I mean other than pushing Israel into the sea.
XXX — There is plenty of non-biblical history to establish the Palestine region as the ancient home of the People of Judah and Israel… Also plenty of history to show that the Arabs have also called that region home…
I dont know exactly how, but both groups NEED to come to the table, sit down, and really TALK… perhaps about some of their common history… perhaps about joint ventures to provide a more stable future…
Perhaps to agree to come to the table understanding that they will NOT agree on religion, and leave it off the agenda… Let each be who/what they are… concentrate on what could be the best future for both…
I do believe that is possible… but it’s going to take finding the right proposals, and offer the right agenda…. perhaps some of our non-corrupt economic experts might be of help… perhaps development of “green” technology?? Perhaps medical advancements??
Just sayin…. there has to be some combination that can bring stability….
I hope the coming years can work on that combination, instead of focusing (in fear) about some mythical Armageddon…
I can say more about the “Armageddon” myth at another time… It isnt hard to find…
XXX, Hank, or any other gun nut in the area:
I have been searching for a specific lever gun and have been unsuccessful. I would appreciate any help locating a Marlin 1894C in .357 mag.
Thank You…Hank has my email addy.
ANTI
I have a nice roll of deer summer sausage for the one that can help! :)
Norman Blake showed up to at least the second Walnut Valley Bluegrass Festival. He was searched for drugs at a subsequent festival and refused to come back. He had none, just looked like he might.
Blake quit high school at age 16 and started playing guitar for a living. Subsequently, he did square dances and local stuff. But he got his big break appearing on Bob Dylan’s Nashville Skyline.
As I have said many times before, this man is a genius.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmZg4vxOPmk
Last call: One last Norman Blake video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEkVkJax2Co&NR=1
Without intentionally aggravating you CONs, and running the risk of a certain amount of (probably well-deserved) ridicule…
Israelis and Palestinians each need their own Obama.
Work with me here.
I don’t think Obama is any messiah. He’s gonna screw up along the way and he’s gonna act like a politician sometimes. (The field is “politics,” after all. That last statement is like saying a brain surgeon is likely to act like a brain surgeon every once in a while.)
Like it or not, Barack Obama beat traditional politics like a rented mule. Senator Clinton was the shoe-in for the Democratic nomination, remember? And John McCain had all the “experience,” remember?
And Obama’s a funny name and we can say “Hussein” and CONs such as “ROach” can share his fantasies about whether “little Barry” got his masculine-appendage genes from his big ol’ mean African father or his Kansas mother.
Obama became president because he approached the presidential election from an entirely different perspective. The goals of all campaigns might have been the same — Sam Brownback didn’t (doesn’t) want the presidency any less than Mike Huckabee; he just pursued it worse — but the route to getting there is what campaigns are about.
To the point at hand:
Israelis and Palestinians have been at this for so long they’ve forgotten what they’re fighting over. In fact, they’re not even fighting over what they say they’re fighting over anymore.
“Your great uncle suicide bombed my sister’s great aunt in a Tel Aviv pizza parlor in 1974.”
“Yeah, well your 2nd Cousin confiscated my grandfather’s traditional pasture and built a kibbutz on it.”
“Homeland?”
“Promised Land?”
Not in the picture anymore.
Israelis and Palestinians are killing these days just out of habit. It’s what they do.
Somebody who’s an Israeli and somebody else who’s a Palestinian need to come to the realization that, what with the Wailing Wall and the Al-Aqsa in the same neighborhood, they just might have more in common with each other than conflict.
And maybe they could sit down and talk about it.
At the rate they’re going — obsessing on year-old offenses in a 60-year war fighting over 3,000-year-old grievances — the prospects aren’t good. But both sides need to find someone with a different approach toward both sides’ ultimate goal.
Because Jerusalem is a sacred city to Muslims as well as Jews as well as Christians, nuking it is not an option for anybody. So it’s not gonna happen.
About the only substantive issue surrounding all that makes Jerusalem “holy” is who gets to write the parking tickets on Temple Mount.
StevenEDavis
Posted December 29, 2008 at 11:48 pm | Permalink
Last call: One last Norman Blake video:
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heh heh
Those folks look like they’ve been rode hard and put away wet.
A most interesting article, from the Eagle >>>
http://www.kansas.com/news/breaking/story/645880.html
Chalker, a combat medic, is an atheist whose original complaints included being forced to attend military formations where Christian prayers were given.
What a whiner, give him additional training that requires him to understand the military is diversified and sometimes ceremonies do such things.
I’m guessing Chalker won’t be volunteering for honor guard where they bury people often with Ministers and prayers given.
What dweeb, deny his re-enlistment, intolerance doesn’t fit in well in the military.
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Where is it required that military personnel subscribe to any set religious beliefs?? Or did you just make that up?? Hmmmm???
I know it isnt in the Oath taken when joining the military services….
Chas
Posted December 30, 2008 at 12:47 am | Permalink
Where is it required that military personnel subscribe to any set religious beliefs?? Or did you just make that up?? Hmmmm???
I know it isnt in the Oath taken when joining the military services…
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Where is it numb nuts is required to subscribed to a religious belief?
He’s part of a military formation. He keeps his mouth shut and listens to the commands of his superiors.
If he doesn’t like it, then get out of the military or with less benefit to him refuse to stand formation and suffer the consequences.
I didn’t like standing in the rain for three days at reveille when LBJ died. Didn’t like him, but did as I was ordered. Oh yeah, they said prayers and stuff.
That’s that, you do what your told as long as it’s a lawful order.
Why be forced to stand formation, in a religious setting, when he espouses no belief system?? Read the Eagle article…. It spells out the situation pretty good… It isnt the job of government OR military, to demand religious adherence by ORDERS…
Chas
Posted December 30, 2008 at 1:02 am | Permalink
Why be forced to stand formation, in a religious setting, when he espouses no belief system?? Read the Eagle article…. It spells out the situation pretty good… It isnt the job of government OR military, to demand religious adherence by ORDERS
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It’s not a religous setting nimnoy. It’s a formation where prayers happened to be given.
The specialist will damn well stand at parade rest in a professional military manner like the rest of the troops or led down to the First Shirt’s office to be courts martialed or an Article 15.
He’s in the military, there is no discussion what his options are while he’s in formation.
End of story.
Simple solution — He should be assigned an alternative duty…
good night; good luck; god bless —-
whatever you conceive god to be!!
blessings ALL!!
so mote it be!!
Regular is just showing how much he hates America by wishing America is a theocracy where everyone is forced to subscribe to a particular religion. America was once like that, until a revolution happened and our Founding Fathers established a Constitution forbidding such practices.
Monkeyhawk
Posted December 30, 2008 at 12:00 am | Permalink
Without intentionally aggravating you CONs, and running the risk of a certain amount of (probably well-deserved) ridicule…
Israelis and Palestinians each need their own Obama.
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Well let’s reason. In order to be an “Obama” they would need to elect a white guy with a name like Joe Smith.
I’m with you Monkey. How soon can we expect that?
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Maggotpunk
Posted December 30, 2008 at 6:17 am | Permalink
Regular is just showing how much he hates America by wishing America is a theocracy where everyone is forced to subscribe to a particular religion. America was once like that, until a revolution happened and our Founding Fathers established a Constitution forbidding such practices.
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What a noob…
When you’re in the military, you give up a lot of access to freedoms because of command structure.
Standing in formation at parade rest during a prayer is not going to kill the guy. And, it is a direct order that he stand a parade rest.
As I said, if this whiner doesn’t like that, get out of the military by normal means or by trying for a courts martial.
“And once again, cosmos responds directly and on point to a post on global climate change.
“Watch for the predictable mockery that comes from people who have nothing else but a desperate urge to protect their own world view, or who just like to troll.”
Yep.
Anti-American regular whines,
“When you’re in the military, you give up a lot of access to freedoms because of command structure.”
You fail to notice the simple fact that because there is a officer of higher ranking does not give him or her carte blanche to commit crimes. I know you are extremely stupid so I’ll need to point out that the military is not in the religion business and it is illegal for the government to promote religion. I know you hate America so the Constitution is nothing more than a piece of paper to you. How about you go to Saudi Arabia where they have a lovely theocracy waiting for you?