Open thread 12/21

70 Comments

  1. Maggotpunk
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 6:04 am | Permalink

    I’m sure all y’all have missed the constant scientific posts that support the irrefutable fact of evolution and debunk the myth of creationism.

    ‘Hobbit’ Fossils Represent A New Species, Concludes Anthropologist

    ScienceDaily (Dec. 19, 2008) — University of Minnesota anthropology professor Kieran McNulty (along with colleague Karen Baab of Stony Brook University in New York) has made an important contribution toward solving one of the greatest paleoanthropological mysteries in recent history — that fossilized skeletons resembling a mythical “hobbit” creature represent an entirely new species in humanity’s evolutionary chain.

    Discovered on the Indonesian island of Flores in 2003, controversy has surrounded the fossilized hominid skeletons of the so-called “hobbit people,” or Homo floresiensis ever since. Experts are still debating whether the 18,000-year-old remains merely belong to a diminutive population of modern-day humans (with one individual exhibiting “microcephaly,” an abnormally small head) or represent a previously unrecognized branch in humanity’s family tree.

    More of the real science (not creationist BS) at:
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081217124418.htm

  2. Maggotpunk
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 6:13 am | Permalink

    Here’s another one to get the conversation started. What do you get when you combine racists with guns and deregulation?

    http://rawstory.com/news/2008/White_vigilantes_shot_black_neighbors_without_1219.html

    Or this one.

    It’s apparently illegal to walk into your own front yard wearing shorts. You’re likely to get jumped by police, beat up and arrested even if you are 12. Then you get the added benefit of having to go to court and defend your innocence (and dad’s who try to protect their daughters get arrested too).

    http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Police_assault_12yearold_girl_after_mistaking_1219.html

  3. Political_mama
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 6:28 am | Permalink

    What is with the lame topics lately? You know Phillip Brownlee was quite proud that the WEblog had such high marks for newspaper blogs, but since half the staff were let go, the topics have gone way downhill since then. Give us more red meat.

    The posts on here today generally would draw 5-10 responses, something that we could talk about in the open thread.

    I did submit a topic today, but it was late getting in. Just so you know I’m not sore about it not being up there.

  4. beber
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 6:39 am | Permalink

    No one reads this blog but the bloggers.

  5. Political_mama
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 7:02 am | Permalink

    That’s not true at all Beber. I think you’d be surprised.

  6. beber
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 7:10 am | Permalink

    No I won’t be. There’s a way to find out, and I did.

  7. JWink
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 7:10 am | Permalink

    Almost forgot … we just finished the longest night of the year … the winter solstice. “Sol” for the Sun, I can’t recall right now what the “stice” stands for, perhaps “standing still.”

    About 6 AM this morning in Kansas, the Earth reached the point on its annual travel around the Sun where the Earth’s permanent 23 1/2 degree tilt reached its maximum position in relation to the Sun that more of the sunlight is thrown into the southern hemisphere and less into the northern hemisphere.

    But I see sunlight beginning to peep up over the eastern horizon so life will continue and the Sun will shine again!

  8. beber
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 7:13 am | Permalink

    One blogger defended the story from accusations that it was a hoax because it has not been picked up by the national media and many of the facts come from the Milburn’s attorney.

    An example of wingnuts using the left’s arguments against the left. Lefties argue often that since winger stories are often only reported by NewsMax/Worldnet Daily/Drudge and not picked up by the truthful media, the stories are suspect.

  9. Political_mama
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 7:55 am | Permalink

    I think you just like to lie for the sake of lying Beber.

  10. JWink
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    Back to the subject of the WINTER SOLSTICE which is today, December 21st, the longest night and shortest day of the year. It always bugs me when media types, weather presenters, etc. claim that today marks the beginning of winter.

    In my mind, the winter solstice marks the MIDDLE OF WINTER because the solstice marks the shortest day, the day when we have the least amount of heat from the sun in the northern hemisphere. The days have been getting shorter since the fall equinox and now will get longer until the spring equinox.

    Their is no precise definition of “winter” nor no law. I suppose you could say winter starts with the first snow of the season.

    However, I think most people would round off seasons as follows:

    ** Winter: Dec, Jan and Feb,
    ** Spring: Mar, April and May,
    ** Summer: June, July and Aug,
    ** Fall: Sept, Oct and Nov.

    So, if you run into Ben Pringle at the grocery store, tell him you think WINTER begins on December 1st regardless of whether snow has fallen yet.

  11. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    Happy solstice. I am SO GLAD the days will start getting longer and the nights shorter. The chickens are happy about it too.

    And a special “Ramen” to you, JWink!

  12. HLP
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    Happy solstice to you Farm Girl! (and Merry Christmas)

    And may your chickens survive the season!

    My ducks seem to be dong well. I built them a straw house to keep them warm out of the wind. It’s been in their pen for over a month and finally they seem to be using it.

    They are on strike as for as eggs go, I weaned them off the Dumar egg laying feed and put them on scratch grain. It took a day or two for them to decide that it’s edible. They are holding on to their eggs though.

    The board of directors of the home owners association invited me to their monthly meeting and informed me that the ducks have to go. Should be interesting. I have pictures of the children holding ducks and playing with them during all stages of their growth. I emailed the president Friday and informed him that I’ve decided to keep the ducks.

    I never fixed up a system to keep their water from freezing so I carry water to them twice a day. They seem to be healthy and doing well, hopefully the scratch grain in enough.

    Six degrees this morning, extra hay and kibble for the horses and goats!

  13. Blaidd_Drwg69
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    Hate to burst your bubble JWink, but the “Earth’s permanent 23 1/2 degree tilt” is not an accurate statement.

    The angle of the tilt of the Earth’s axis is constantly changing. It is called “precession”; google it.

  14. Boxlock20
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    And the earth’s precession has much to do with climate change….how strange{sarcasm].
    We must stop the precession to stop climate change[again sarcasm] for those that seem unable to take a joke, except for the joke of AGW being such a big deal.

  15. Blaidd_Drwg69
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    You are truly an idiot Box.

    I’m not going to reply to the stupidity you post on the Obama/Warren thread.

  16. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Bawks stupidly insisted that “climate is what effects us where we live — and then he copy/pasted a headline and link that had the word “weather“, to prove his point. LOL!

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/12/open-thread-1220/#comment-489148

    Orbit, precession, and climate?

    http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
    Chapter 6 Palaeoclimate

  17. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    Heheheeh JR.

    And cosmos, bigotbawks is an equal opportunity offender.

    He’s stupid on multiple fronts.

  18. JWink
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Blaid_Drwg69: I didn’t mention “precession of equinoxes” because it’s relatively negligible to the effect of the 23 1/2 degree tilt on our seasons on Earth.

    I just tried to telephone Mr. Hipparchus who discovered that positions of the equinoxes move along the eliptic. However, I was told by the deep Voice who answered that Mr. H. died about 127 B.C.

    The Voice did say the precession of equinoxes is on a 26,000 year cycle so it can be disregarded in its effect on our seasons. The Voice added it is mostly caused by gravitational forces of the Sun and Moon and by the equatorial bulge of the spinning earth … kind of like an overweight person doing the twist.

    But with the new more kindly attitude of WE Bloggers to one another even when we disagree, I wish to thank you very kindly for your cogent observations and a tip of my Santa hat to you on this cold December Sunday.

  19. Predestined
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Since KFG already posted Winter Solstice greetings, I’m sending Happy Yule greetings to all!

  20. FilmFan
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    More proof of the veracity of the old adage: “The more you think you know, the more you find out you’re full of s–t,”…..Recently, I had my booty handed to me (in a nice way), despite my good intentions:

    Last week, a gentleman who lives in my apartment building was traveling to the same job site as I was. I offered him a ride, as he doesn’t have a hooptie. (I didn’t have a hooptie for many, many years, so the empathy factor was ragin’ high.) What could be wrong with this altruism? I asked myself. We’re just friends, so there ain’t any sexual politics laminating the landscape, I assured myself all-knowingly.

    He knew – and I knew – my intentions were wholly honorable. (I for one don’t know how in the f–k a woman would rape a man, but I suppose it’s possible. If it is, I don’t wish to know about it. ‘Cause it’s probably one of those things where the horror is doubled. Like Robert F. Kennedy’s beholding of Sirhan Sirhan in 1968. Or Coultergeist’s Chinese gynecologist bringing forth a little lo mein on the low mane. Just sorta too icky to contemplate.)

    Yesterday, the gentleman gently informed me that he couldn’t accept any more rides from his tallest neighbor. “It’s a pride thing…..a man accepting rides from a woman,” he declared. “I’m just not comfortable with it.” I started to protest. But I stopped mid-utterance. “I’m sorry; I’m not a man so I didn’t stop to think about this,” I stammered.

    I’m not a fan of emasculation, so I tend not to emasculate. The battle-axes on my dead daddy’s side of the fam-damily probably had something to do with this revulsion. (As did our family reunion in August 1970, made memorable by my Aunt Grace’s entreaties to any male within neutering distance to help her extract her girdle from a very phantasmagoric place….)

    Happily, neither my maternal grandmother, mother nor late sister took after Lorena Bobbitt. (Somehow, I don’t believe the Hefner “talent scouts” who offered my sister (a former model) an audition for Playmate of the Month in 1972 were big on mannish women.)

    So yesterday’s subtle admonition sort of took me by surprise. My heart was in the right place, but my sensitivities evidently were not.

    After this lesson in male/female dynamics, I trotted down to the Library and checked out a new book about one of my fave-rave rock groups. Included with the b–chin’ bu!!load of cool pics was an image of the band’s lead guitarist suffering a migraine.

    This talented musician/songwriter, whom I’ve long since forgiven for hugely resembling my impregnator/denigrator, seemed to be in an agony of suffering – an anguish I remember well from my youth. Every cell in my body told me to send him an e-mail about new medications, avoidance of mere Advil ’cause it won’t do s–t, etc. Then I stopped mid-thought.

    B–ch, please, I told myself.

    This delightful image also included his wife of 24 years, who happens to be the band’s bassist and mother of his daughter. I’m sure she (and he) can take care of himself, I reminded myself.

    I’m not enamored of castration. I find it rather uncouth, having observed it quite often whenever daddy’s relatives came a’callin’ in the 1960s. At root, I’m still the same artistic, sensitive soul who wept copiously upon hearing an incendiary 1987 CD called “God’s Own Medicine” by the Mission UK.

    My Own Rapist, conversely, elicited mirth and merriment when his debility became known to me. ‘Cause that’s just funny when a sadist can’t p-p to the potty unaided. But I can’t say I’m into emasculation. That’s just mean-spirited.

    But my goodness, yesterday’s psychology lesson took me by surprise. I thought I knew exactly how to honor male/female differences. And most of the time I believe I do. I thought there was nothing wrong with altruism. I thought it was my duty as a human being.

    I thought wrong.

  21. janeeyre
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    maggotpunk,

    I was having a happy day until I read your 2 links to the Raw News. Now I want to go to New Orleans & beat up some southern racists & go to Galveston & scream at some police officers!

    Okay, I’m going to try to get in my “happy place” and recover the joy of the season. But humanity’s inhumane behavior drives me crazy.

    Thanks for the input, I think.

  22. Monique_J
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Compelling Evidence Demonstrates that “Hobbit” Fossil Does Not Represent a New Species of Hominid

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/10/061009031321.htm

  23. Monique_J
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    “It’s no accident that this supposedly new species of hominid was dubbed the “Hobbit,” said Robert R. Martin, PhD, Curator of Biological Anthropology at the Field Museum and lead author of the paper. “It is simply fanciful to imagine that this fossil represents anything other then a modern human.” There has been too much media hype and not enough SOUND SCIENTIFIC EVALUATION surrounding this discover, Dr. Martin concluded. “Science needs more balance and less acrimony as we continue to unravel this discovery.”

  24. Monique_J
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    Hobbits May Be Human After All

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080305193157.htm

    Dr. Obendorf said comparisons of the fossils with modern bones suggested that they were actually human, with their small stature and distinctive features the result of a condition related to severe iodine deficiency.

  25. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    I was traveling across the Kansas Flint Hills the other day and, for the first time in months found myself out of NPR range. So, putting the radio on scan, I was confronted by one of the curses of the holiday season: “Jingle Bells,” by the Singing Dogs.

    As part of my misspent youth, I spent several years jocking records on the radio. To keep the few functioning brain cells required to be a rock and roll disc jockey, I used to bide the time while the dogs “sang” to consider all those Christmas songs that have nothing to do with Christmas.

    “Jingle Bells,” of course, tops the list. There’s nothing about Christmas in the lyrics, even when performed by non-canines.

    ”Winter Wonderland” is another generic cold weather song. I wonder why those people who think there’s a War on Christmas don’t boycott these songs.

    “Frosty the Snowman” is obviously a slap in the face of the faithful, what with whatever (no doubt) demonic “magic” in that old silk had mutating sculpted precipitation into a coal-eyed, carrot-nosed Frankenstein monster.

    Leroy Andersons “Sleigh Ride” is another sop to non-motorized winter transportation that has nothing to do with Christmas. It has a redeeming quality that it has never been recorded by singing dogs.

    But the worst Christmas song that has nothing to do with Christmas has to be “Good King Wenceslas.” Not only does this totally ignore Christmas, it’s about an entirely different holiday! It’s about The Feast of Stephen! Who the heck was Stephen? How does Stephen’s feast get equal footing with Christmas?

    Twice-borns who insist there’s a War on Christmas are ignoring reality altogether! As these five songs demonstrate, the War is almost lost already! If they have a chance at all to win, they’ve got to counter-attack these non-Christmas Christmas songs as the affronts they obviously are! It’s time to counter attack!

    It’s time to declare a War on the Feast of Stephen!

  26. Maggotpunk
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    Monique J, I don’t know if you were trying to rebut the article. First, the fact that the Hobbit is a human is not in question so challenging something that is already known isn’t making much of a point. It is a different species of human, that’s what the new studies reveal. I don’t see the point of referencing an older 2006 article in light of new research.

  27. HLP
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    ‘Jingle Bells’ was written as a Thanksgiving Day song originally. It’s such a happy, festive song and carried over to Christmas.

    I hope you haven’t hurt yourself with all your wild jumping to conclusions, the fact that we’ve always sang ‘winter’ songs around Christmas has noting to do with the ’so-called’ war an Christmas.

  28. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    “HLP” –

    Your utter lack of a sense of humor is duly noted.

    Not that my pseudo-rant on non-Christmas Christmas songs ushers in a new golden age of comedy or anything.

    But jeez.

    It sure reveals the machinations of the CON mind.

    For that matter, none of the lyrics to “Jingle Bells” mention Thanksgiving, either! (I suspect it’s a diversionary tactic on the part of us secular humanists to rid America of all holidays you hold, well, “holi.”)

    At least the later verses of “Over the River and Through the Woods” mention the holiday it’s supposed to celebrate.

    “Good King Wenceslas,” not so much.

    Join the War against the Feast of Stephen!

  29. HLP
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    I think that you underestimate my sense of humor. Most of what you bring to the BLOG I find humorous, in sort of a sad, profane way.

  30. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Yeah well, “HLP” –

    I fall short on fantasies of killing people who might shoot my dog.

    Sorry I don’t measure up to your high standards.

  31. sursum
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    Moneyhawk: Stephen was the first Christian Martyr whose feast day falls around Xmas. In Catholic liturgy, each day is dedicted to remember a saint or celebrate a special event for one reason or another but usuallly based in the political past. Go to Prague and you’ll get the spirit! PS: St. Patrick was recently downgraded, dunno if he’s still on the Church calendar or not…. me Irish roots is still shakin’

  32. HLP
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    Well, you’ve rather misrepresented my position on dog killing.

    My dogs are hardly ever out of my supervision. An attack on my dog is an attack on me. It is not an fantasy at all, shoot my dog in my presence and you’ll bear the consequences.

    Hopefully it won’t come to your demise but of course, that’s entirely up to you. You seem to be the one dangerously fixated on killing dogs. Have you ever been under professional help?

  33. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    “HLP” –

    Sounds like you taught The Boy well, then.

    “An attack on my dog is an attack on me,” will certainly garner some admiration of some animal rights activists, but it’s probably not going to defend you from felonies as described by “Nathan” on an earlier thread.

    And, yeah. I’ve had professional help. I was taught by professionals, a professional wrote my will for me, a professional does my tax returns and, years ago, a professional took out my tonsils….

    Am I to assume you’ve done all those things yourself?

  34. HLP
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    Having a will is a good idea for anyone that pulls a gun and shoots my dog in my presence.

  35. Monique_J
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    MP,
    Dr. Robert Martin PhD says the remains are MODERN human. Dr. Obendorf states they are human with a condition caused by severe iodine deficiency. Does that mean a person with a vitamin D deficiency is a different species?

    Yes, the articles were written at different times. But more importantly, they quote different scientists, who do not agree.

    Your own article states that experts are STILL debating whether the remains belong to modern humans or not.

  36. janeeyre
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    Filmfan,

    Your mention of women not being able to be rapists reminded me of an incident at the local aircraft plant where I worked after college for awhile; it was during the late 1960’s. The plant security found a male & a female in a state of dishabille in a recess in one of the underground tunnels leading out of the factory. They were both taken to the security office to “sort things out.”

    The man, who was shorter & thinner than the woman said she started it all & forced his behavior. The woman said it was no big deal because he wasn’t very good at “it.”

    The security folks laughed and let them both go; as far as I know neither was fired.

  37. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

    This, by the brilliant Donald Kaul –

    Each Christmas, when I look at my children’s stocking hanging on the fireplace, I think of Davy

    Davy was, I suppose, about eight years old when I knew him. He as a patient at a hospital for emotionally disturbed children where I worked for a time.

    People get the wrong idea when you say “hospital for emotionally disturbed children.” The conjure visions of pathetic, demented youngsters aimlessly wondering the halls. It wasn’t a bit like that.

    It was, in fact, a cheerful place at which to work. The inmates were a boisterous, rowdy bunch who, despite their various problems, did not seem to differ markedly from normal children. It made you wonder about normal children.

    The majority of the children were entirely likeable; some were adorable and the hospital attendants became quite attached to them.

    Davy was at the other end of the scale. He was convinced that nobody loved him and, as it happened, he was right.

    Many of us tried to love, tried hard – but without success.

    It wasn’t that he was aggressively obnoxious; it was simply that he was a cipher. There was nothing to like or dislike about him. He seemed destined to be one of those persons who moved through life leaving no wake.

    I said the hospital was a cheerful place at which to work. That’s not entirely true. On Christmas Eve, it was a depressing place to work.

    The hospital let almost all of the children go home for the holidays; about the only ones left were those whose parents could not be trusted with custody even for a short time or those whose parents wouldn’t have them.

    The hospital staff then would spend Christmas Eve trying to lend false cheer to was was essentially a joyless occasion for the children left at the hospital. It wasn’t duty one volunteered for.

    Davy’s parents, as I remember, had beaten him like gong from the time he was an infant and either couldn’t or wouldn’t have him at home for the holidays. At any rate, he was one of the two or three kids there to greet me as I walked into the ward on Christmas Eve.

    He seemed happy enough and continued to seem so throughout the evening. He enter into the games and songs with great enthusiasm.

    Then it was bedtime and I was assigned the task of reading him his bedtime story.

    At this point let me digress a moment in order to explain the nature of the hospital’s socks.

    Most ot the children wore white cottons socks of hospital issue and the hospital, although it was by any standards extremely well-equipped, possessed no children’s socks.

    Youngsters were forced to make do with oversized adult stockings, sometimes having to fold over the ends as much as five inches. The socks were all the same and had “Property of University Hospital” stenciled on them in black letters.

    Well, when I walked into Davy’s room at bedtime that night he was crouched in a corner working on something. As I moved closer I could see it was a cardboard box, painted red with black lines drawn on it, crudely cut to resemble a fireplace.

    He had been fastening one of the long white hospital stockings to it when I came in.

    He smiled brightly at me and said, with certain pride, “I made it myself!”

    Then he jumped into bed at waited for his story, confident Santa Claus was going to slide down a imaginary chimney sometime during the night, climb out of that cardboard fireplace and stuff toys into that stocking marked “Property of University Hospital.

    Such innocence did not go entirely unrewarded. He awoke the next morning to a full stocking and he accepted the miracle without a second thought.

    And a Christmas never goes by but that I think of him.

  38. Maggotpunk
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    Monique,
    Iodine, vitamin D deficiency? These are common maladies which affect current human populations and we don’t see the results. Martin and Obendorf never actually looked at the fossils in question but made an assumption based upon similarities of fossils from captured images from a 2005 BBC documentary. Not exactly a thorough study. The new study actually scanned the fossils and through a 3-D generation of the fossils did a thorough examination. That’s a hell of lot better than poor resolution screenshots from a tv screen.

    To continue on cretinism, what was compared was images from inland Chinese bones from cretins. Seeing that the Hobbits were shore dwelling people their diet would have been high in iodine. Iodine deficiencies, as we see in places like inland Africa and Eastern Europe, are from people who rely on agriculture on land that is poor in iodine minerals.

    I don’t even know where you got the notion there’s a vitamin D deficiency causing the structural abnormality.

  39. bth
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    I haven’t followed a lot of the ‘hobbit’ issue but this did remind me of something I saw on a link that was posted here to a creationist site. They claim that not only did humans hunt dinosaurs to extinction after the flood but that there were ‘giants’ back then. 15-foot tall men with the same proportions of modern man. This creates an interesting ptoblem (that also wipes out a lot of grade-B sci-fi movies):

    If I triple the size of a person the mass goes up by 27 (3 cubed) but the cross-section of bones by only 9 (3**2). So, a given amount of bone strength will have to carry 3 times the weight. Doesn’t work. The bones break.

  40. Monique_J
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    So you don’t believe Martin and Obendorf are credible? What about Dr. Wm B. Dobyns, Dr. Ann MacLaman and Dr. James Philllps?

    I wasn’t saying the hobbits actually had a vitamin D deficiency. The point is, if the hobbits had a condition caused by severe iodine deficiency as Obendorf states, that would not make them a different species of human any more than one of us with a vitamin D deficiency.

  41. Maggotpunk
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    Monique, I’m saying their methodology can lead to inaccurate results therefore the 3-d computer modeling would provide more accurate results, just as looking through the Hubble would provide better results than a 20x telescope in your backyard.

  42. Maggotpunk
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    BTH, creationists claim a lot of things. They claim Neanderthal is merely modern man with rickets (despite the fact Neanderthals have greater bone density and rickets would reveal quite the opposite). Creationists haven’t actually provided any fossil evidence of 15 foot tall people but I suppose that would entail research and effort.

  43. Monique_J
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    Evidently, Science Daily thinks Martin, Obendorf, Dobyns, MacLaman and Phillips have credibility or they wouldn’t feature them on their website. It’s just a matter of who you want to believe.

  44. Maggotpunk
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    Monique, it’s not about believing a website, it’s about whether or not they did a good study. They didn’t, and they were refuted by a better study. In fact, Martin and Obendorf didn’t actually do a study which was peer reviewed, they provided merely a technical comment raising possible explanations for the observed phenomena.

    If you like there are numerous studies since their comment was published which refuted their claims, the one mentioned today was not the first.

    I have no idea why you insist on investing your conclusion based on one refuted study while ignoring all the others. That’s sounds like something a creationist would do and creationists are all dishonest because they have no interest in scientific truth.

  45. Pleefer
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    Two sides of the same lil’ story:

    A simple FoxNews blurb:
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,470687,00.html

    OR!

    Another view:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20081220/pl_usnw/bush_insider_who_planned_to_tell_all_killed_in_plane_crash__non_profit_demands_full_federal_investigation

    HMMMM??

  46. Pleefer
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    The dude was “Wellstoned” or maybe he was “D.C. Madamed”, he was after all working for the RNC.

  47. outlander
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    “Michael Connell, the Bush IT expert who has been directly implicated in the rigging of George Bush’s 2000 and 2004 elections,…”

    ———–

    What “rigging”? The first line of Pleefer’s link tells you all you need to know.

  48. lindainks55
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    I must come to Pleefer’s defense. There was NO endorsement of either link. Both were provided and the comment was, “Two sides of the same lil’ story. HMMMM??”

  49. Monique_J
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    MP, It’s interesting that you claim an article “supports the irrefutable fact of evolution when that very article states “Experts are still debating whether the 18,000 year old remains belong to a diminutive population of modern day humans.” I don’t call that honesty.

  50. Posted December 21, 2008 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    For reference to giants:

    http://www.coast2coastam.com >>>>

    Middle of the web site is a listing of photos…

    One of them says: 13(15) ft. tall skeleton… Click on that to see the skeletal bones… IF not a hoax, that would seem to explain part of the problem… Also, there have been bones found in caves in/near the Grand Canyon, that a far bigger than 10 ft. tall…

    http://www.williamhenry.com

  51. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Mike_Connell

  52. Posted December 21, 2008 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    Oooops…. wrong links….

    http://www.coasttocoastam.com

  53. bth
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    MP – my understanding about the ‘hobbits’ is that they are, in fact, modern Homo sapiens. And, at only 18,000 years back that would be expected. It may be that instead of any real ‘problem’ (deficiencies etc) they had simply ‘bred’ to a smaller size. There are many species that have sub-populations on islands that are significantly smaller than their mainland cousins.

  54. lindainks55
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    Mental Christmas Carols

    1) Schizophrenia – Do You Hear What I Hear, the Voices, the Voices?

    2) Amnesia – I Don’t Remember If I’ll Be Home for Christmas

    3) Narcissistic – Hark the Herald Angels Sing About Me

    4) Manic – Deck The Halls and Walls and House and Lawn and Streets and Stores and Office and Town and Cars and Buses and Trucks and Trees and Fire Hydrants and………..

    5) Multiple Personality Disorder – We Three Queens Disoriented Are

    6) Paranoid – Santa Claus Is Coming to Get Us

    7) Borderline Personality Disorder – You Better Watch Out, You Better Not Shout, I’m Gonna Cry, and I’m Not Telling You Why

    8) Full Personality Disorder – Thoughts of Roasting You On an Open Fire

    9) Obsessive Compulsive Disorder – Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells

    10) Agoraphobia – I Heard the Bells on Christmas Day But Wouldn’t Leave My House

    11) Senile Dementia – Walking In a Winter Wonderland Miles from My House in My Slippers and Robe

    12) Oppositional Defiant Disorder – I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus So I Burned Down the House

    13) Social Anxiety Disorder – Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas While I Sit Here and Hyperventilate

    14) Attention Deficit Disorder – We Wish You……Hey Look!! It’s Snowing!!!

  55. Posted December 21, 2008 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    Instead of william henry, try this one >>>>

    http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/index2.html

  56. Posted December 21, 2008 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    the correct william henry link >>>>

    http://www.williamhenry.net

  57. Predestined
    Posted December 21, 2008 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

    15 foot tall people

    Leftover Atlanteans?

  58. Phantom
    Posted December 22, 2008 at 12:01 am | Permalink

    These outlandish bonuses and salaries need to be reined in, these people wouldn’t be worth that much even is prosperous times, much less so when they’ve driven equity in their companies into the ground!
    “Banks that are getting taxpayer bailouts awarded their top executives nearly $1.6 billion in salaries, bonuses, and other benefits last year, an Associated Press analysis reveals.

    The rewards came even at banks where poor results last year foretold the economic crisis that sent them to Washington for a government rescue. Some trimmed their executive compensation due to lagging bank performance, but still forked over multimillion-dollar executive pay packages.

    Benefits included cash bonuses, stock options, personal use of company jets and chauffeurs, home security, country club memberships and professional money management, the AP review of federal securities documents found.

    The total amount given to nearly 600 executives would cover bailout costs for many of the 116 banks that have so far accepted tax dollars to boost their bottom lines.

    Rep. Barney Frank, chairman of the House Financial Services committee and a long-standing critic of executive largesse, said the bonuses tallied by the AP review amount to a bribe “to get them to do the jobs for which they are well paid in the first place.

    “Most of us sign on to do jobs and we do them best we can,” said Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat. “We’re told that some of the most highly paid people in executive positions are different. They need extra money to be motivated!”

    The AP compiled total compensation based on annual reports that the banks file with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The 116 banks have so far received $188 billion in taxpayer help. Among the findings:

    _The average paid to each of the banks’ top executives was $2.6 million in salary, bonuses and benefits.

    _Lloyd Blankfein, president and chief executive officer of Goldman Sachs, took home nearly $54 million in compensation last year. The company’s top five executives received a total of $242 million.

  59. Posted December 22, 2008 at 2:16 am | Permalink

    good night; good luck; god bless —-
    whatever you conceive god to be!!

    blessings ALL!!

    blessings even to the “Scrooge” types….

    so mote it be!!

  60. Maggotpunk
    Posted December 22, 2008 at 4:55 am | Permalink

    Monique claims:
    “MP, It’s interesting that you claim an article “supports the irrefutable fact of evolution when that very article states “Experts are still debating whether the 18,000 year old remains belong to a diminutive population of modern day humans.” I don’t call that honesty.”

    That’s what’s called a non-sequitur.

  61. Posted December 29, 2008 at 9:58 am | Permalink

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  62. Posted December 29, 2008 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    President Elect Barack Obama has been caught shirtless in Hawaii, causing quite a stir for all the right reasons.
    The shot shows Obama with abs, or as one outlet called Obama’s body: “lean and chiseled.”
    Obama works out regularly, and it was noted during the campaign that he kept his routine of morning workouts happening on the road. Reports say that this routine hasn’t changed in Hawaii, with Obama working out at the Semper Fit Center on Marine Corps Base at Hawaii’s Kaneohe Bay.

    bauergriffinonline.com

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  63. Posted January 2, 2009 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    Rarely funny, always trashy comedian Kathy Griffin somehow managed to land a gig this year co-hosting CNN’s New Years Eve coverage from New York with the very queer straight laced Anderson Cooper. Why we don’t know: times must be really tough, and not surprisingly, she couldn’t keep her mouth out of trouble.
    Along with cutting of Lil Wayne and giving Cooper a generally hard time, Griffin was according to reports regularly heckled by the crowd, and just before a break, let fly at one heckler….all on open mic.
    Here’s the Kathy Griffin goes oral sex on CNN clip as follows; apparently the heckler has to have dicks out of his mouth…or something like that Keep it classy Kathy.

    She’s terrible. The next person to put her on TV should be strapped to a chair and have “mouth breather” tattooed on their forehead.
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  65. Posted January 9, 2009 at 8:03 am | Permalink

    President-elect Barack Obama delivered a speech today, January 8, 2009. Obama discussed the current economic crisis and urged Congress to act quickly in passing a stimulus bill, warning that the recession could become
    [url=http://www.inquisitr.com/14704/obama-speech-january-8-2009-video-transcript/](Video + Transcript)[/url]
    Infrastructure? What is he thinking? The US has some of the best infrastructure in the world. Anyone who has traveled can see that. Only Europe has better… and not ALL of Europe. Not only that, but there are 250,000 people out of work on Wall Street, and Obama is going to hand them all a shovel? …NONSENS !

  66. Posted January 10, 2009 at 3:31 am | Permalink

    A prank targeting Google has resulted in a 9/11 related symbol query of ? ¦¦ become on of today’s largest search terms.
    The symbols, showing a plane flying into the World Trade Center have been searched for tens of thousands of times or more, placing the search term for several hours in the top 10 searched for terms in the United States.
    At the time of writing it ranked at 13. Who is running the prank is unclear at this time, although we have a few ideas where it might be coming from.
    [url=http://www.inquisitr.com/14461/prank-targets-google-with-911-symbol-search-%e2%9c%88-%e2%96%8c%e2%96%8c/]Open[/url]

    classic option for Google :)

  67. Posted January 14, 2009 at 12:31 am | Permalink

    War in the Gaza Strip, millions losing their jobs…and one of the big stories today is Barack Obama’s choice of puppy for his daughters… [url=http://www.inquisitr.com/15026/obamas-puppy-will-be-a-labradoodle-or-portuguese-water-hound/]>>>[/url]

    For anyone who voted George W. Bush into office and has the audacity to complain about the dog story. I am sick and tired of those of you who look for fault in the president-elect before he has had the opportunity to take office. If your concern ran so deep about unemployment, war, home forclosures and all of the other problems we are living through these days,why did you elect George Bush for not one but two terms?

  68. Posted January 16, 2009 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    If you haven’t grabbed your free beta copy of Windows 7 yet, there’s good news: you’ve now got 2 weeks to do so.
    [url=http://www.inquisitr.com/14981/microsoft-we-screwed-up-windows-7-beta-so-unlimited-downloads-for-two-weeks/]Microsoft’s Brandon LeBlanc writes on the Windows 7 blog[/url]
    I can’t actually believe you’re seriously suggesting Microsoft should make Windows free or open-source. Sure, let’s drop quite possibly the world’s largest and most sophisticated piece of computer software ever written into the hands of any old 12 year old with a compiler, and see what happens. Wake up ;-)

  69. Posted January 20, 2009 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    Madonna’s crotch area gets its share of the spotlight, and it probably catches our attention way too much. Kind of like… now: these mesmerizing leaked outtakes from Madonna’s Hard Candy shoot, which involved fishnets, what are probably thongs, lace-up boots, and what D-Listed lovingly refers to as “granny nip.” Be sure to stare at the lumps hanging over the itty-bitty thong strings. It’s very omg.
    [url=http://www.inquisitr.com/15825/madonnas-outtakes-even-more-crotchal-region/]PHOTO[/url]
    :) Good on her, I think all the bashing that goes on about her is sexist and ageist, and I hope she continues to do whatever she wants to, despite her age.

  70. Posted January 20, 2009 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    Ustream.tv has launched their first iPhone application right in time for the Obama Inauguration.
    The Ustream iPhone Viewing Application is WiFi only at this stage, allegedly “to ensure the highest quality broadcast,” and gives full access to Ustream.tv shows…
    [url=http://www.inquisitr.com/15864/first-look-ustreamtv-application-for-iphone/]READ[/url]

    it is a good app for iphone, but the app will not work on my first generation iPod touch. If it’s wi-fi only:(