Open thread 12/2

159 Comments

  1. Maggotpunk
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 6:03 am | Permalink

    Because a nation kept in fear and under the thumb of a police state doesn’t complain as much when the government takes away trillions of dollars to hand over to the rich while you lose your jobs and homes.

    Pentagon to Detail Troops to Bolster Domestic Security

    The U.S. military expects to have 20,000 uniformed troops inside the United States by 2011 trained to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe, according to Pentagon officials.

    The long-planned shift in the Defense Department’s role in homeland security was recently backed with funding and troop commitments after years of prodding by Congress and outside experts, defense analysts said.

    There are critics of the change, in the military and among civil liberties groups and libertarians who express concern that the new homeland emphasis threatens to strain the military and possibly undermine the Posse Comitatus Act, a 130-year-old federal law restricting the military’s role in domestic law enforcement.

    More at:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/30/AR2008113002217.html

  2. RP_McMurphy
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 6:35 am | Permalink

    Good morning there Mp.
    A little story for you today….

    In 1986, Peter Davies was on holiday in Kenya after graduating from Northwestern University .

    On a hike through the bush, he came across a young bull elephant standing with one leg raised in the air. The elephant seemed distressed, so Peter approached it very carefully. He got down on one knee, inspected the elephants foot, and found a large piece of wood deeply embedded in it. As carefully and as gently as he could, Peter worked the wood out with his knife, after which the elephant gingerly put down its foot.

    The elephant turned to face the man, and with a rather curious look on its face, stared at him for several tense moments. Peter stood frozen, thinking of nothing else but being trampled. Eventually the elephant trumpeted loudly, turned, and walked away. Peter never forgot that elephant or the events of that day.

    Twenty years later, Peter was walking through the Chicago Zoo with his teenaged son. As they approached the elephant enclosure, one of the creatures turned and walked over to near where Peter and his son Cameron were standing. The large bull elephant stared at Peter, lifted its front foot off the ground, then put it down. The elephant did that several times then trumpeted loudly, all the while staring at the man.

    Remembering the encounter in 1986, Peter could not help wondering if this was the same elephant. Peter summoned up his courage, climbed over the railing, and made his way into the enclosure. He walked right up to the elephant and stared back in wonder. The elephant trumpeted again, wrapped its trunk around one of Peter legs and slammed him against the railing, killing him instantly.

    Probably wasn’t the same elephant.

    This is for everyone who sends me those heart-warming bullshit stories.

  3. Political_mama
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 6:46 am | Permalink

    rp i agree. I hate those emails. If you love me pass this crappy story on to everyone you know.

  4. Posted December 2, 2008 at 6:51 am | Permalink

    Seems bogus to me: http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=1504

  5. Posted December 2, 2008 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    http://www.snopes.com/critters/malice/elephant.asp

    Busted.

  6. Hud
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 7:21 am | Permalink

    The Gun Lobby’s Loss
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/02/opinion/02tue3.html?ref=opinion

    The gun lobby has long intimidated politicians with its war chest and its trumpeted ability to deliver single-issue voters, especially in tight races. After this year’s election, those politicians should be far less afraid and far more willing to vote for sensible gun-control laws.

  7. BlueJay
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 7:21 am | Permalink

    Crappy threads today.

    Oh CONS?

    This one’s for you. Consider me one of the people who’ll be dancing on your grave.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xZewj-A1Z8

  8. Mary_Caruso
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 7:45 am | Permalink

    That has to be the crappiest version of the Christmas Carol I’ve seen.

  9. Heckler
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    Hud

    Obama changed nearly every position he ever held on gun control in order to get elected.

    Undoubtedly some “hunters” bought his line.

    As with many issues he had to run away from his past record. And no one in the media questioned it.

  10. BlueJay
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 7:47 am | Permalink

    Really?

    I found it one of the best.

    Maybe it’s a neighborhood thing.

  11. samkan
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 7:54 am | Permalink

    >This one’s for you. Consider me one of the people who’ll be dancing on your grave.<

    BJ….

    I’m not sure you could type me as a con or a lib .. I’m a little of both, but anyway, knock yourself out… since I will be in heaven, not in the grave, it will not bother me one little bit.

    It must be dreadful to be so angry all the time… do something nice for someone else today… it will make you feel much better :)

  12. Mary_Caruso
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 7:55 am | Permalink

    The best one is the original black and white. Maybe it’s an age thing.

  13. Mary_Caruso
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    I agree Sam, the way to be happy is to quit focusing on oneself and to do good for others. I’ve never known anyone who was happy and self-centered.

  14. RP_McMurphy
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 8:07 am | Permalink

    Hey Davie B, IT’S A JOKE SON, IT’S A JOKE!!!!!!!!

    You didn’t really expect that complete bullshit story to be true did you?

    If you did, I can put you on my “forwards” list?

    BTW, if RP McMurphy posts it, don’t take it to serious from now on, OK?

  15. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi met leading governors on Monday to discuss the size and shape of an economic stimulus package that one Democratic aide said was likely to cost around $500 billion.
    —-

    I don’t know why everyone is worried, it appears we have an endless supply of money!

  16. Heckler
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    Now here’s a REAL stimulus plan

    Convert Paulson’s Last $350 Billion

    into Tax Holiday, says U.S. Congressman

    “Billions of Dollars for Taxpayers, but Not One More Penny for Executive Bailouts”

    WASHINGTON, D.C. – As millions of Americans are hoping to maximize their holiday shopping budgets on today’s Black Friday bargains, one U.S. Congressman is fighting to prevent more outrageous spending sprees by Washington with taxpayer dollars going to executive cronies.

    With $350 billion of the $700 billion bailout still available to Paulson pending Congressional approval, a conservative Texas lawmaker is proposing to put that money towards a tax holiday from both personal income tax and FICA tax for Americans during January and February of 2009.

    He stated, “By instating a temporary tax holiday, we could electrify the American economy and provide overwhelming relief to taxpayers, all for less than the cost of the current failed Paulson-Pelosi bailout system.”

    http://gohmert.house.gov/Article.aspx?NewsID=1355

  17. CJM
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    RPM
    That just shows how gullible people can be. Ooops, did you know that “gullible” is not really in the dictionary?

  18. Phantom
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    Modify the tax holiday for everyone earning 100k or less, or for the first 100k, and I could support it.

  19. lindainks55
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    Gullible Gil: Plea For Help

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goifYzEec3s&feature=related

  20. Heckler
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    Phantom

    “Modify the tax holiday for everyone earning 100k or less, or for the first 100k, and I could support it.”

    Do you want to stimulate the economy or engage in social engineering?

  21. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    Defenseless Animals my ass!

    Wounded deer attacks hunter who shot him

    SEDALIA, Mo. — A Sedalia hunter bagged a big buck on the second day of firearms season, but the kill caused him a lot of pain.

    Forty-nine-year-old Randy Goodman said he thought two well-placed shots with his .270-caliber rifle had killed the buck on Nov. 19. Goodman said the deer looked dead to him, but seconds later the nine-point, 240-pound animal came to life.

    The buck rose up, knocked Goodman down and attacked him with his antlers in what the veteran hunter called “15 seconds of hell.” The deer ran a short distance and went down, and died after Goodman fired two more shots.

    Soon Goodman started feeling dizzy and noticed his vest was soaked in blood.

    So he reached his truck and drove to a hospital, where he received seven staples in his scalp and was treated for a slight concussion and bruises.
    http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/dec/02/wounded-deer-attacks-hunter-who-shot-him/

  22. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    P.S. That hunter is a horrible shot.

    2 shots w/.270 and didn’t kill the deer?
    Piss poor.

  23. Regular
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    Noob hunter…one never assumes a deer is dead. It’s why you approach the deer cautiously and with a firearm drawn, just in case.

  24. CJM
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    Most dems embrace socialism or as you put it “social engineering.” The socialist motto: “What is mine is mine and what is yours is mine.” Why should I work to succeed in life when the government will provide my needs?

  25. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    Regular
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:21 am | Permalink
    Noob hunter…one never assumes a deer is dead. It’s why you approach the deer cautiously and with a firearm drawn, just in case.
    ———–

    Yep, and give it some time. Don’t just rush up to the animal when it falls!

  26. Regular
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    A spoof on Apple computer, funny…

    http://macblips.com/video/mapple_the_simpsons/

  27. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    Even though I am an avid hunter, I do enjoy seeing the animals get revenge from time to time. :)

  28. lindainks55
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    Be afraid of socialists! Obama is their leader, so be afraid of him too! All the while remember, “that “gullible” is not really in the dictionary.” While you’re at this fear business (we recognize some people need to be afraid!) be afraid of other words too! Be afraid of change, hope, and peace.

  29. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    Screw that Linda.

    Be afraid of bears, be very afraid. Be afraid of their large teeth and powerful claws!

    Remember roots and berries are not always on the menu for evil bears!!

  30. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!

  31. lindainks55
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    One camping trip in Canada I got closer to a bear than I ever want to be! They even scare me in zoos now. You’re right! Be afraid of bears!

  32. CJM
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    lindainks55

    Get real…

  33. CJM
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    ll55,
    Obviously, you didn’t get close enough…

  34. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    You’re right! Be afraid of bears!
    ==========

    Oh, I am! (looking side to side)

    LOL

  35. CJM
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    Watch out for those flying monkeys too…

  36. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    I think I can ‘handle’ socialist. However, I will need to upgrade my ‘hardware’ to deal with the bears and flying monkeys…

  37. CJM
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    Anti, you may want to upgrade your little dog too.

  38. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    CJM
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:52 am | Permalink
    Anti, you may want to upgrade your little dog too.
    ==================

    Point taken….Bull Mastiff?

  39. CJM
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Regular
    I tried to view the video and was told to push any key to start. Where’s the “any key”?

  40. Posted December 2, 2008 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    Everyone knows bears are the number one threat to America!

  41. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    Everyone knows bears are the number one threat to America!
    ===============

    You know many, many, moons ago, they snuck across the land bridge from Russia. They have been lying in waiting to take over this country for hundreds of years.

    Don’t even get me started on Polar Bears or Circus Bears…

    (tin foil hat securely on)

  42. Regular
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    #
    CJM
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Regular
    I tried to view the video and was told to push any key to start. Where’s the “any key”?
    ————
    In the center of the video screen…

    It’s shaped like play key “>”

  43. gster
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    RE: “You know many, many, moons ago, they snuck across the land bridge from Russia. They have been lying in waiting to take over this country for hundreds of years.

    Don’t even get me started on Polar Bears or Circus Bears…

    (tin foil hat securely on)”

    Nope, they’ll have to come in from another direction. We have a secret weapon guarding that frontier. Ever heard of “Porch Watch Palin”? She doeen’t take prisoners and is likely to skin you alive, literally! BEWARE RUSKIES!! You could be the next pelt on the porch!!

  44. Posted December 2, 2008 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    A sobering commentary from Glenn Greenwald, somewhat about Eric Holder, but really more about the middle ground between hero-worship and demonization:
    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/12/02/holder/index.html

    I know that I’ve referred to some of the incoming folks as “adults” myself, and I make no apologies whatsoever. It was not with irony (there was time when “the adults are in charge” was one of Hank’s lines), but, in truth, I see a genuine distinction between Washington pols who pursue reasonably rational, analytical governance and those who pursue an apocalyptic, fear-driven, greed-driven doomsday agenda. Even if both have money sticking out of their pockets.

    But keeping one’s skepticism engaged–even of the presumed “good guys”–is mandatory.

  45. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    “CJM” posted –

    “Watch out for those flying monkeys too…”

    My reputation precedes me.

  46. American_Way
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    There are probably more than a few of you here, who will appreciate this advise on XMAS shopping for your better half.

    http://bewareofthedoghouse.com/videoPage.aspx

  47. Phantom
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    Sounds like ford has a pretty good plan. I think selling all five of their corporate jets may be overkill though.

  48. Posted December 2, 2008 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    But keeping one’s skepticism engaged–even of the presumed “good guys”–is mandatory.

    P.S> By the way, that even includes Greenwald. :)

  49. Hud
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    “Sounds like ford has a pretty good plan.”

    First read it looked pretty good but…

    Wished it had said something about moving production out of country.

    And I do not care for the taxpayers lien position of being the tail end in case of failure.

    If Ford is saying they don’t need it but just in case we want $9B, what are the others going to ask for?

  50. beber
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    The addition of RP_McMurphy to this blog almost makes up for the loss of satellite radio to the Murdoch conglomerate. Most bereaved is the replacement of XM “Cross Country” with Sirius “Outlaw Country.” This morning they played a Glenn Campbell cover of Tom Petty’s Walls and Jingle Bells by George Jones. P-u-u-u-u-u-u-k. Now there’s some outlaw music.

    Oh, six channels at least now are propaganda channels for the right wing. Progressive talk still exists, but for how long?

  51. beber
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    And you wondered why the Just Us Department approved the merger?

  52. donndublin
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Maggotpunk
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 6:03 am | Permalink

    “The U.S. military expects to have 20,000 uniformed troops inside the United States by 2011 trained to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe, according to Pentagon officials.”

    Here is the first platoon to be activated.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp2VFN-w9d0

    Brought to you by your local neighborhood gang.

  53. BlueJay
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    GOOD!

    The CEO of Ford is DRIVING to D.C..

    ‘Bout time corporate suits actually DRIVE the cars they are trying to sell. Maybe he will learn something.

    Nah. Something happens to a guy when he puts on a tie. It cuts off the circulation to his brain.

  54. Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    I entirely agree with Maggotpunk. While we definitely need to be prepared for terrorist attacks, domestically that is a civilian responsibility (ever hear of SWAT teams?), and the military–those trained for domestic use–the “militia” if you will–should only be used as a last resort.

    Oh, Second Amendment types: Where are you?

    What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. Whenever governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins.

    Elbridge Gerry, on the floor of Congress, stated during the debate on what eventually become the Second Amendment.

    http://www.quotesea.com/Quote.aspx?q=WhatSiristheuseofamilitiaItisto

  55. CJM
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    Regular,
    “any key” That was a Simpsons joke. DUH!!!

  56. Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    “any key” That was a Simpsons joke. DUH!!!

    The joke preceded the Simpsons by at least a decade. But only an old computer geek would know that! :)

  57. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    The U.S. Military should NOT be used as a domestic police force.

  58. CJM
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    Hey, I resemble that remark…Rage

  59. samkan
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Think of others this Holiday season:

    Kansas Food Bank

    Our Mission at the Food Bank:

    Our mission is to provide comprehensive and compassionate HungerCare whenever and wherever it is needed to safeguard the health, well-being and productivity of food-insecure Kansas families and their children, as well as senior citizens, the homeless and the chronically ill and impoverished among us.

    http://www.kansasfoodbank.org/donate-money

  60. Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Think of others this Holiday season

    I agree completely with Sam. Here is a helpful guide to the Holidays; you can refer to it as needed:

    http://www.holidays.net/dailys.htm

  61. CJM
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    And speaking of security issues and human rights – The DNC effectively chose their presidential candidate despite the popular vote of the people. By discounting Florida and Michigan they said; “We don’t care about your right to vote, we want B.O. (think about it, do you really want b.o.? – side joke).
    “Every Democrat must ask themselves as they head into this election: What other constitutional rights are you willing to forfeit? And what other constitutional rights is the DNC preparing to deny?”

    Is Sec. of State the conciliation prize since Hillary was a good little dem and didn’t push the issue any further?

    http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.302/pub_detail.asp

    Do you really live in a fairytale and believe that line about change? It looks like the same old cronyism, the same old deceitful politics, and the same old blame game.

  62. SolDevVB
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    Tard,

    Those CEO’s make about $1,000 per hour. The average private jet pilot makes about $200,000 per year. Do the math.

  63. beber
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    Calculated the cost of flying a private jet times three, Sol.

  64. beber
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    And the CEO’s may make $1,000 an hour, but they cost their companies tens of thousands of dollars an hour; or at least they have for a while. The longer they are on the road, the better off are Ford, G.M., and Chrysler.

    BTW: I bought a whole load of Ford at $1.21. Look at it today. I figure Ford to be the survivor if there is no intervention, and think it will be the survivor even if the government intercedes.

  65. Grateful_Dave
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    On Tuesday, December 2, a group of law enforcers who fought on the front lines of the “war on drugs” and witnessed its failures will commemorate the 75th anniversary of alcohol prohibition’s repeal by calling for drug legalization. The cops, judges and prosecutors will release a report detailing how many billions of dollars can be used to boost the ailing economy when drug prohibition is ended.

    “America’s leaders had the good sense to realize that we couldn’t afford to keep enforcing the ineffective prohibition of alcohol during the Great Depression,” said Terry Nelson, a 30-year veteran federal agent and member of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP). “Now, cops fighting on the front lines of today’s ‘war on drugs’ are working to make our streets safer and help solve our economic crisis by teaching lawmakers a lesson from history about the failure of prohibition. We can do it again.”

  66. SolDevVB
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    Legalize pot at lease. Sell it like cigarettes and tax the shit out of it. Dirt cheap to manufacture. 21 or older to buy, don’t smoke and drive.

    Anyone know how many people are in jail over a little herb? Any how much it cost to bust, try and jail them? What was the ROI?

  67. brian_nuevo
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    I second your 12:10 post SolDevVB

  68. SolDevVB
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    typos and all?

  69. beber
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Legalize pot and place no restriction on it period. It should be free, like air.

  70. SolDevVB
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    So five year olds doing wake and bakes. Outstanding.

  71. brian_nuevo
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    “beber
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:22 pm | Permalink
    Legalize pot and place no restriction on it period. It should be free, like air.”

    Now that is ultra conservative!
    Complete parental and personal responsibility

  72. Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    I second your 12:10 post SolDevVB.

    Yup.

    Typos don’t concrn em s lung as the meaning intact.

  73. sursum
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    Greatful_Dave: In some places (Europe, Australia and Canada)drug addiction is more and more looked upon as a health problem instead of a crime, where they try to combat death/HIV infection with clean needle exhanges and safe places to shoot-up. Some Europeans have set up a plan whereby addicts can get calming shots just as anyone else in need of pharm/drugs under their free medical drug plan. The hope is to save lives and reduce crime. Recreational drugs, like grass, is in the same category as booze and nicotine ie. personal possesion is OK but trafficking is a crime.

  74. Phantom
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    Beber, think you might want to check your purchase price again:
    http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=FORD#chart1:symbol=ford;range=1y;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined

  75. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    “What was the ROI?”

    Pretty big if you are part of the prison industry….

  76. Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    Greatful_Dave: In some places (Europe, Australia and Canada)drug addiction is more and more looked upon as a health problem instead of a crime

    Unfortunately, that’s at odds with the goal of creating criminals for an increasingly privatized for-profit prison industry.

  77. brian_nuevo
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    “ksfarmgrrl
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:28 pm | Permalink
    “What was the ROI?”

    Pretty big if you are part of the prison industry….”

    Also pretty big if measured in terms of the political capital the ‘tough on drugs’ crowd gets from the fundies

  78. beber
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    the range was $1.01 to something else. go fuck yourself phantom. I didn’t even have to look it up.

  79. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    “Also pretty big if measured in terms of the political capital the ‘tough on drugs’ crowd gets from the fundies”

    I dont actually disagree with that, but the well must be running dry because they put all their hopes now on their new whipping boy, the queers.

    And guns. Guns are always their standby fear tactic. When that doesnt work, they go to the queers.

    Yep. I think the prison profits well must be running dry…

    Law and order indeed.

  80. brian_nuevo
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    “…privatized for-profit prison industry.”

    I had always thought we locked up so many people, more than anywhere else in the world, so we could be ostriches.
    Just hide them away so we don’t have to see them.
    Don’t have to think or to question or to ponder right, wrong, or shades of grey.

  81. Phantom
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Doesn’t look like it’s dipped below 1.70 on the chart, just saying.

  82. American_Way
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    “What was the ROI?”

    lol Sol, but I don’t think you can make a business case for criminal incarceration.

    How do you evaluate the investment by comparing the magnitude and timing of expected gains to the investment costs? Are you using recidivism as the gain? How do you figure in the punishment factor or is that not part of your ROI?

    Strictly speaking in terms of reduced costs of incarceration, I can agree with you. But I am having trouble measuring what we gain.

    “Legalize pot and place no restriction on it period. It should be free, like air.”

    How libertarian of you.

  83. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    “Legalize pot and place no restriction on it period. It should be free, like air.”

    I agree, although it will never be free.

    Big pharma wont like that though. They make too much money on antidepressants. Until they figure out a way to make money on weed, they’ll make sure to team up with the prison industry to keep it illegal.

    And hence, VERY expensive! Not to mention hard to get. But then, maybe I’m old and just remembering the good ol’ days…

  84. Phantom
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Also, pot is a very effective pain killer, especially for terminal illness.

  85. beber
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    52wk Range: 1.01 – 8.79

    Your goddamned site. Now admit you’re wrong and I’ll apologize for being short-tempered with idiots.

  86. beber
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    I am a libertine, not a libertarian. Nor am I liberal.

  87. Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    lol Sol, but I don’t think you can make a business case for criminal incarceration.

    Several for-profit incarceration corporations would disagree. Of course, they cut corners, and this is becoming an issue, to say nothing of the apparent connection between their campaign contributions and subsequent “tough-on-crime” legislation being passed (see, e.g., Colorado).

  88. Grateful_Dave
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Here’s some collateral damage of the so-called “War on Drugs”

    WASHINGTON – A woman in Southeast D.C. has a warning for her neighbors — watch out for fake police knocking at the door.

    The woman, who preferred to conceal her identity, said she came to D.C.’s 7th police district with a list of items stolen from her home earlier this month. “They took his rifle, my cell phone, all his jewelry money out my purse,” she said.

    “He says, I have a warrant to search this house and I asked what and he says open the door I have a warrant to search this house,” she recalled.

    She said seeing the three masked men dressed like the SWAT team, with the word police on their clothes, she opened the door. “Immediately they set me on the sofa running through my house like searching and just ransacked the whole house,” she said.

    The woman said the men had weapons and they held her two hours, even stealing her hospitalized husband’s rifle.

    It is inconceivable to me that the FBI would choose to forcibly enter a house before dawn, knowing, as they did, that young children likely were sleeping on the second floor. In my opinion, the trauma to the family in having their door broken down would justify waiting for Mr. Korbe to surrender.
    Mrs. Korbe surely knows the people with whom her husband does “business.” It was probably why she had a carry permit.
    However, I couldn’t help but put myself in her shoes. My house has the same floor plan as the Korbes’ and if I heard a commotion on my front porch at 6 a.m., I would be defending the front door from the second-floor landing also.
    Mrs. Korbe said she didn’t know that the people on the front porch were police. That’s possible, especially when they began breaking into the house.
    As soon as she fired a shot, she called 911 to report that she had shot an intruder. I’m not sure that I’d have defended my children any differently. A jury in her murder trial may see it that way also.
    The real losers in this incident are the Hicks and Korbe children, whose lives will never be the same.

  89. American_Way
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    WASHINGTON, DC — Nearly 60,000 marijuana offenders are incarcerated in the United States at any given time, according to a study published in the Federation of American Scientists’ “Drug Policy Analysis Bulletin.” More than a quarter of marijuana offenders are incarcerated for personal possession, with no other drugs involved in the offense.

    The total cost to taxpayers of marijuana-related incarceration exceeds $1.2 billion per year, according to the study. “The latest figures cast serious doubt on the argument that marijuana incarceration costs are low enough to be ignored,” the study concluded.

    The study, “Marijuana Arrests and Incarceration in the United States,” was undertaken for the FAS journal by Chuck Thomas, Director of Communications at the Marijuana Policy Project. Based on raw data recently obtained from the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics, the estimated number of incarcerated marijuana offenders is probably the most precise figure ever calculated.

    The study also found that there were more than 700,000 marijuana arrests in the United States in 1997, according to the most recent data available from the FBI, 87% for personal possession of marijuana, rather than sale or manufacture.

    According to the new study:

    At any one time, 59,300 prisoners charged with or convicted of violating marijuana laws are behind bars. (Because many serve less than a year, the total number who pass through the prison system each year, while difficult to estimate, is even greater.)
    Of the people incarcerated in federal and state prisons and in local jails, 37,500 were charged with marijuana offenses only, and an additional 21,800 were charged with both marijuana offenses and other controlled substances offenses.
    Of the marijuana-only offenders, 15,400 are incarcerated for possession, not trafficking.

    “Drug Czar Barry McCaffrey and other drug warriors argue that people do not really get arrested or incarcerated for minor marijuana offenses,” said Thomas. “This study proves them wrong. The drug war is very much about sending small-time, non-violent marijuana offenders to jail.”

  90. Phantom
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    I read 52 wk. range 1.51 -3.30.

  91. Posted December 2, 2008 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    Declaring war on chemical substances or human emotions should be left behind as a foul spillover of 20th century stupidity.

  92. Posted December 2, 2008 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    Libertine has come to mean one devoid of any restraints, especially one who ignores or even spurns religious norms, accepted morals, and forms of behaviour sanctioned by the larger society. The philosophy gained new-found adherents in the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries, particularly in France and Britain. Notable among these were John Wilmot, 2nd Earl of Rochester, and the Marquis de Sade.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertine
    ========================================

    Most interesting beber…. :-)

  93. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Marijuana leads to carpentry.
    You should see the deck I built….
    only took me 3 years to do.

  94. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Wait….did I say that out loud?

  95. SolDevVB
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    Wait….did I say that out loud?

    LOL

    Dude… where’s my fritos?

  96. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Huge Stash of Marijuana Found in Ancient Tomb

    Duuuuuude! The world’s oldest stash of marijuana has been found in far western China, according to an article in the Journal of Experimental Botany.

    An ancient Caucasian people, probably the Indo-European-speaking Yuezhi whose fair-haired mummies keep turning up in Xinjiang province, seem to have buried one of their shamans with a whopping 789 grams of high-potency pot 2,700 years ago.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,460425,00.html

  97. beber
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    1usually disparaging : a freethinker especially in religious matters
    2: a person who is unrestrained by convention or morality ; specifically : one leading a dissolute life

    There is the real meaning, though you hardly have to live a dissolute live to be a libertine. Except for wine, pot and sex, my habits are almost ascetic.

  98. Heckler
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    December 02, 2008
    Gun Control in India
    Larrey Anderson
    The world watched in horror as the terrorists prowled and murdered for hours through the streets of a major city in India. The mayhem went all but unabated. No one tried to stop them — because no one could stop them. None of the citizens were armed.

    India has a long history of gun control. Under British occupation, the citizens of India had no rights to private gun ownership. Even Mahatma Gandhi protested the firearms prohibition:

    “Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest.” (M. Gandhi, An Autobiography: The story of my Experiments with Truth.)

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/12/gun_control_in_india.html

  99. CJM
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    It’s not always the drug charge that puts people away; it’s tax evasion for those that sell without possessing a tax stamp. Refer to the “Marijuana Tax Act of 1937″
    That law was enacted by our Democratically led US Congress.

    Darn Democrats…

  100. Grateful_Dave
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    WTF ????????

    Pastor Rick Warren awarded President George W. Bush the International Medal of P.E.A.C.E. for his AIDS relief program. The PEACE acronym stands for promotion of reconciliation, equipping servant leaders, assisting the poor, caring for the sick and educating the next generation.

    The Bush program to fight the world AIDS pandemic is known as The President’s Emergency Plan For AIDS Relief (PEPFAR). PEPFAR has spent $18 million to fight AIDS across the world. Another $48 million has been authorized by Congress.

    Ezra Klein of The American Prospect found it somewhat odd to award a “PEACE” medal to a president who presided over two wars.

    “There’s no argument that Bush has done some genuine good in pushing America’s HIV/AIDS policy forward, but giving Bush the International Medal of PEACE is like giving the Dalai Lama the International Medal of WAR. You can find a rationale, but it demonstrates a genuinely insufficient sensitivity to irony,” wrote Klein.

  101. GMC70
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    Well – I bet this is a surprise:

    Lap dancing “is not sexually stimulating”, the chairman of the Lap Dancing Association told a parliamentary committee today.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/nov/25/lap-dancing-parliament

    Really ? ? ? ?

    Must be a gov’t lapdance . . . .

  102. Posted December 2, 2008 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    I guess what is stimulating for some, might not be for others…. Maybe has to do with amount of ingested distilled spirits, combined with the libido of the moment as much as anything…. LOL

  103. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Have you seen British chicks?

  104. GMC70
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    Have you seen British chicks?

    LOL!!!!!

    You mean they all don’t look like like Heather Graham?

  105. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/Dillion_Day/British.png

    Enough said…LOL

  106. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    The only thing weirder than bush getting the P.E.A.C.E. medal is ol’ rick being the one to award it.

    Jesus WEPT!

  107. gster
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    Give him 2; they make nice earrings!

  108. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    First off –

    786 grams of weed isn’t a “huge” stash.

    But the reason I logged on this afternoon was to reveal the alleged $30,000 ring Barack Obama allegedly bought for Michelle is bulls#it, top to bottom.

    http://tinyurl.com/5cpk54

    You damned CONs will believe anything as long as it’s a lie.

  109. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    “You damned CONs will believe anything as long as it’s a lie.”

    Aint it the truth. Aint it the DAMNED truth!

    To paraphrase my Dad…”they’d rather crawl up on a slippery roof and believe a lie than stand on the firm ground and believe the truth”.

  110. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    First I’ve even heard of it.
    Who’s paranoid again?

  111. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    $30,000 ring Barack Obama allegedly bought for Michelle is bulls#it, top to bottom.
    ———–

    I don’t remember that being discussed here today.

  112. SolDevVB
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    HEY !!! Did y’all hear Obama bought Michelle a $30,000 ring!!! Yeah, he is really in touch with the middle class. Made from the MOST expensive metal!!! Custom designed!!! What an elitist !!!

  113. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    Did y’all hear Obama bought Michelle a $30,000 ring!!!
    ——————–

    Barry’s buying her some ‘gold fronts’ to match!!!

  114. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Oooooooh Yeeeeaaaaah!!!

    http://www.brunsonjewelry.com/page/page.cfm/goldteeth

  115. sursum
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Herckler: The guns ‘n India conclusion is just stupid and we both know it. FYI police in the UK patrol their beat without guns, cross into Canada and note their border “guards” aren’t armed either. I guess they don’t have a 2nd Ammendment, so they must be slaves suffering under socliasitic dictatorships, not free like us.

  116. Posted December 2, 2008 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    I’ll give W. credit for actually doing something about AIDS in Africa, but he should not be associated with the word “peace” in any context.

  117. sursum
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    Jeez, I gotta get my glasses before I post again…..

  118. Posted December 2, 2008 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    http://tinyurl.com/5cpk54

    You CONs will believe anything as long as it’s a lie.

  119. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    MH already posted the link a few post up thread.

  120. Posted December 2, 2008 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    Just wanted to make sure you all saw it… LOL

  121. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 4:08 pm | Permalink
    Just wanted to make sure you all saw it… LOL
    ————

    I could care less what Obama buys his wife.

  122. parkay
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    See the video made by a pro-life college student posing as an admitted statutory rape victim seeking morning-after abortifacients and contraceptives, and facing continuing rapes, proof that Planned Parenthood routinely covers up statutory rapes and shields adult rapists.
    See video page
    http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=ydprvknz6U

  123. parkay
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    A second new study on mental health problems caused by abortion, conducted by a New Zealand professor, found that women who committed abortions suffered rates of mental health problems about 30% higher than other women. The conditions most associated with abortion included anxiety disorders and substance abuse disorders. Abortions increased the risk of severe depression and anxiety by one-third. The authors concluded that anywhere from 1.5 to 5.5% of all mental health disorders seen in New Zealand are caused by abortion. The New Zealand team concluded that abortion adversely affects women’s mental health while childbirth and miscarriages do not.
    An American study, released Friday, showed as much as 10% of all mental health problems in the USofA are caused by abortion, specifically including panic attacks, panic disorder, agoraphobia, PTSD, bipolar disorder, major depression with and without hierarchy, as well as substance abuse.
    Meanwhile, a pro-abortion Susan G. Komen Foundation affiliate in Californicatia is donating thousands to Planned Parenthood abortion mills, completely ignoring the well-established breast cancer risk factor caused by abortion.
    - – -

    “Abortion does not help or solve a problem—it only compounds and creates another trauma for the already grieving victim by taking away the one thing that can bring joy.”
    . . . Helene, a rape victim
    . . .
    Based on the largest survey ever done of women who became pregnant through sexual assault, most of the survey respondents said that abortion was harmful, not helpful, in cases of sexual assault. The survey also showed that:
    - Nearly 80% of the women who aborted a pregnancy conceived in sexual assault reported that abortion had been the wrong solution.
    - Most women who had abortions said that abortion only increased the trauma they were experiencing.
    - In many cases, the victim faced strong pressure or demands to abort and in some cases, especially those involving teenage girls, was even forced to have the abortion by others.
    - In cases of incest or ongoing sexual abuse, abortion was frequently used by the perpetrator to cover up the abuse, and in many cases the girl was given an abortion with no questions asked and then returned to the abusive situation.
    - None of the women who gave birth to a child conceived in sexual assault expressed regret or wished they had aborted instead.
    See book page
    http://www.theunchoice.com/VictimsandVictors.htm
    and TV page
    http://www.facinglife.tv/episode/season_3/episode_8/episode_308.html

  124. parkay
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    Tim Wirth, former leftist pro-abortion Democrat senator from Colorado and president of the United Nations Foundation, and a longtime advocate of “population stabilization” [=killing off unwanted minorities in abortion mills] said on Monday that the $48 billion Congress recently approved to treat AIDS victims around the world should be matched by U.S. funds to provide global family planning services [=worldwide unrestricted taxpayer-funded abortion].
    Wirth led the U.S. delegation to the infamous Cairo Conference on Population Development as the first undersecretary for global affairs with the administration of abortion advocate William the Slick.
    Obamanation is likely to scrap the promotion of abstinence and marital fidelity in President Bush’s PEPFAR program for AIDS relief, raising the rate of AIDS infections globally.
    Somehow, leftists are now trying to call the promotion of abstinence, marital fidelity, and abortion alternatives evil, and of course, to bless the promotion of profitable abortions and high-failure-rate condoms and contraceptives.
    - – -

    Judge Mary Hannon sentenced Nicole Beecroft, of Oakdale, MN to life without parole for first degree murder, for planning the death of her newborn daughter, stabbing her 135 times, penetrating vital organs several times, and throwing the tiny body into a garbage can outside her house. Beecroft had waived her right to a jury trial. She had admittedly considered the legal abandonment of the infant at a hospital on April 10, 2007, at age 17, before committing the heinous, brutal slaughter.
    Judge Hannon denied a challenge that the sentence was cruel and unusual. Pending an automatic appeal to the Minnesota Supreme Court, Beecroft will likely spend entire rest of her life in the women’s prison in Shakopee.

  125. Phantom
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    I thought only GWB ignored threats of iminent terrorist attacks!
    “Washington passed on information that a waterborne attack on Mumbai appeared to be in the works, said a senior administration official. This official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of intelligence information. The official would not elaborate on either the timing or details of the U.S. warning.

    Neither Rice nor Gates would confirm that the United States had passed specific information to India ahead of the attacks.

  126. Posted December 2, 2008 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    Studies’ Conclusions May Be Flawed .. Not to mention the outlandish jingsism parkat wraps her cuts and pastes in uncuts any possible objectivity:

    “the study, published in the Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry, found.

    Its findings contradict a review of 72 studies and 27 articles conducted by the Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists and published in November.

    While acknowledging that the studies varied in quality, the college concluded that “there is mainly improvement in psychological wellbeing in the short term after termination of pregnancy.

    “There are rarely immediate or lasting negative consequences – there may be an association between termination of pregnancy and some adverse mental health markers: these may reflect pre-existing conditions.”

    The president of the NSW Council for Civil Liberties, Cameron Murphy, said he was concerned that anti-abortion groups would use the New Zealand study to deny women access to abortion.

    “There has to be a fundamental right for women to make a choice about their own body – the problem with this research is that while it does suggest that there are mental health problems associated with abortion, we have no research with which to compare this.”

    There were no studies examining the mental health effects on women who had babies when abortion is not legal or available, he said.

    “You may find that the mental health results are better for women who have abortions than in those other jurisdictions.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/questions-raised-over-abortion-studys-findings/2006/01/03/1136050442585.html

  127. BlueJay
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    Wow.

    Remember the worker trampled to death by insane “Black Friday” shoppers at Wal mart?

    He was 34 years old. He was also 6 foot 5 and weighed 270 pounds. He’d been working there a week and they PUT him on that door BECAUSE of his size.

    He died of asphyxiation.

    Think about that.

    A “human” wave of “people” marched over this man’s body long enough for him to die for lack of ability to breathe.

    IF there is security footage of these people, they ought to be made public and infamous.

  128. BlueJay
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    Forgot the link.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,459844,00.html

  129. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    IF there is security footage of these people, they ought to be made public and infamous.
    ————-

    AND charged to the fullest extent of the law!

  130. Regular
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    Wow.

    Remember the worker trampled to death by insane “Black Friday” shoppers at Wal mart?

    He was 34 years old. He was also 6 foot 5 and weighed 270 pounds. He’d been working there a week and they PUT him on that door BECAUSE of his size.

    He died of asphyxiation.

    Think about that.

    A “human” wave of “people” marched over this man’s body long enough for him to die for lack of ability to breathe.

    IF there is security footage of these people, they ought to be made public and infamous
    ——————–
    Yeah, they should make the video available to courts and hold the people who trampled liable for lawsuits and criminal charges.

    If you are part of a riot crowd, regardless of circumstance, you can be arrested and put on trial if you made a blatant disregard for public safety.

    I say prosecute the bums and make an example of the greedy bastarS

  131. BlueJay
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    “Mulvey said an autopsy found that Damour, 34, died of asphyxiation related to his trampling, and he conceded that it would be difficult to file criminal charges against any of the shoppers.

    “It goes beyond identifying specific people to make a case,” Mulvey said. “You have to establish recklessness or intent to harm, which led to his death.”"

    If I’M on the jury?

    Walking over the body of another human being qualifies.

  132. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    Walking over the body of another human being qualifies.
    —————-

    Pretty much.

  133. RoaCH
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    Damn it! I missed the discussion on making a little personal possession of weed legal.

    Well I’m voting AYE!!!!! anyway.

    What’s that? Say what? ho-ho-ho it’s magic. You knowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

    Pass the frito’s back up front. You are spilling them all over the backseat. And you wonder why you have cotton mouth.

  134. RoaCH
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    Lotta trees out today. Be careful driving.

  135. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    Hey dog, did you see the size of that chicken?

    Oops, that was peyote…

  136. RoaCH
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    Peyote? That’s like cow sh-t man. But if you are seeing monster chickens it’s probably more like psilocibe. A little mushroom action.

  137. RoaCH
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    Let us gather together and release those MJ criminals from their cells.

    They have paid the price. They are so high they are looking up at their tennis shoes, and it says “PF Flyers” like a billboard,

    on the back of a giants jock…..

  138. Political_mama
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    God its abparkay
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 5:03 pm | Permalink
    Tim Wirth, former leftist pro-abortion Democrat senator from Colorado and president of the United Nations Foundation, and a longtime advocate of “population stabilization” [=killing off unwanted minorities in abortion mills] said on Monday that the $48 billion Congress recently approved to treat AIDS victims around the world should be matched by U.S. funds to provide global family planning services [=worldwide unrestricted taxpayer-funded abortion].
    Wirth led the U.S. delegation to the infamous Cairo Conference on Population Development as the first undersecretary for global affairs with the administration of abortion advocate William the Slick.
    Obamanation is likely to scrap the promotion of abstinence and marital fidelity in President Bush’s PEPFAR program for AIDS relief, raising the rate of AIDS infections globally.
    Somehow, leftists are now trying to call the promotion of abstinence, marital fidelity, and abortion alternatives evil, and of course, to bless the promotion of profitable abortions and high-failure-rate condoms and contraceptives.
    - – -

    No, bonehead stop lying. And tell me, just how much has ‘just don’t have sex’ worked for them? Family planning is CRUCIAL, whether or not you like birth control or sex. They need to quit spreading AIDS, and that means not procreating when infected, and protection for when they’re not.
    ——–

    Judge Mary Hannon sentenced Nicole Beecroft, of Oakdale, MN to life without parole for first degree murder, for planning the death of her newborn daughter, stabbing her 135 times, penetrating vital organs several times, and throwing the tiny body into a garbage can outside her house. Beecroft had waived her right to a jury trial. She had admittedly considered the legal abandonment of the infant at a hospital on April 10, 2007, at age 17, before committing the heinous, brutal slaughter.
    Judge Hannon denied a challenge that the sentence was cruel and unusual. Pending an automatic appeal to the Minnesota Supreme Court, Beecroft will likely spend entire rest of her life in the women’s prison in Shakopee.

    ————-

    And yet, you still claim that all these women will love their babies if they’d just carry them to term! They will instantly tranform into wonderful mothers and everyone will live happily ever after. So now instead of an abortion early on that could had been paid for….we’re paying for her incarceration for life. And the kid is still dead. Way to go Parkay, another good example of your failed beliefs.

    out time i can post

  139. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    RoaCH
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    Peyote? That’s like cow sh-t man.
    ================

    They can’t see me cause’ I’m in the spirit world…
    Navajo mambo jambo….

  140. RoaCH
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    Roach as in one of the worlds oldest living things, capable of surviving nearly anything to include a direct nuclear hit. Highly reproductive.

    A roach clip as used in holding a double-wide zig-zag which has been passed around on it’s last leg. Useful to prevent swapping slobbery doobies (some may recall the profane term associated therewith). A clip is a very useful thing to carry. One who provides one in a timely fashion when needed is always appreciated.

    And don’t be a bogart.

  141. RoaCH
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    mumbo jumbo?

    Have you ever noticed when you are at an intersection controlled by a stop sign that sometimes the pavement from all four directions of travel come together in the middle. Many times there is a manhole centered in the middle. That’s like some kind of government controlled plan, right?

    And have you ever noticed the street from all directions is being sucked downward into the manhole? You will notice it after making the stop, and while waiting your turn to proceed through the intersection. Sometimes that might be a half hour later…..

    Anyway, it’s an allusion, much like seeing water on the road ahead of you. But that’s for another day.

  142. RoaCH
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    Doesn’t matter how hard you slam down on the brakes. Once the pavement starts getting sucked into the manhole, you are all goners.

    That’s why it’s wise not to stop too long at intersections.

  143. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    That’s like some kind of government controlled plan, right?
    —————-

    Yes, a waste water plan.

  144. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    And by waste water I mean poo-poo and pee-pee. Or just storm run off, but more likly the “P’s”.

  145. ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    Anyway RoaCH, fatten up on the carbs and enjoy my sarcasm.

    Good Night.

  146. JimJohnson
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    ?

  147. JimJohnson
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    What will the poor people in St Louis do after Obama bans their guns?

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,460725,00.html

    St. Louis City Leader Says Police Ineffective, Tells Residents to Get Armed
    Tuesday, December 02, 2008

    ST. LOUIS — A St. Louis city leader frustrated with the police response to rising crime called Tuesday on residents to arm themselves to protect their lives and property.

    Alderman Charles Quincy Troupe said police are ineffective, outnumbered or don’t care about the increase in crime in his north St. Louis ward. St. Louis has had 157 homicides in 2008, 33 more than last year at this time.

    “The community has to be ready to defend itself, because it’s clear the economy is going to get worse, and criminals are getting more bold,” Troupe, 72, said Tuesday.

    Troupe said that when he and residents approached a district police commander last year, they were told “there was nothing he could do to protect us and the community … that he didn’t have the manpower.”

  148. JimJohnson
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    No SUPERMAJORITY for the Demwits!

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/02/georgia-senate-race-tip-balance-power/

    ATLANTA — Georgia Republican Sen. Saxby Chambliss handed the GOP a firewall against Democrats eager to flex their newfound political muscle in Washington, winning a bruising runoff battle Tuesday night that had captured the national limelight.

    Chambliss’ victory thwarted Democrats’ hopes of winning a 60-seat filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.

  149. Posted December 2, 2008 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    good night; good luck; god bless —-
    whatever you conceive god to be!!

    blessings ALL!!

    blessings on the new Administration!!

    so mote it be!!

  150. JimJohnson
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    I am so inspired and filled with optimism at the hope the future now brings.

    Everynight before I go to sleep, I read this. Obama inspires me oh so much!

    “I should like to help everyone if possible; Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, black men, white, red, and yellow. We all want to help one another. Human beings are like that. We want to live by each others’ happiness, not by each other’s misery. We don’t want to hate and despise one another. In this world there is room for everyone. And the good earth is rich and can provide for everyone. The way of life can be free and beautiful, but we have lost the way.

    Greed has poisoned men’s souls; has barricaded the world with hate; we live in misery and bloodshed. We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in. Industry that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge as made us cynical; our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than wealth we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness.

    Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. Modern communications and technology have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in man; cries out for universal brotherhood; for the unity of us all.

    Even now my voice is reaching millions throughout the world, millions of despairing men, women, and little children, victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people. To those who can hear me, I say “Do not despair.” The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed, the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress. The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish.

    Soldiers! Don’t fight for slavery! Fight for liberty! In the seventeenth chapter of St. Luke, it’s written “the kingdom of God is within man”, not one man nor a group of men, but in all men! In you! You, the people, have the power, the power to create prosperity, the power to create happiness! You, the people, have the power to make this life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure. Then in the name of democracy, let us use that power.

    Let us all unite. Let us fight for a new world, a decent world that will give men and women a chance to work, that will give youth a future and old age a security. By the promise of these things, brutes have risen to power. But they lie! They do not fulfill their promise. They never will! Evil rulers free themselves but they enslave the people! Now let us fight to fulfill that promise!

    Let us fight to free the world! To do away with national barriers! To do away with greed, with hate and intolerance! Let us fight for a world of reason, a world where science and progress will lead to all men’s happiness.
    Citizens of the world, in the name of democracy, let us all unite!

    People can you hear me? Wherever you are, look up! The clouds are lifting! The sun is breaking through! We are coming out of the darkness into the light! We are coming into a new world; a kind new world, where men and women will rise above their hate, their greed, and brutality. Look up! The soul of mankind has been given wings and at last he is beginning to fly. He is flying into the rainbow. Into the light of hope! Into the future! The glorious future! That belongs to you, to me, and to all of us. Look up, everyone! Look up!”

  151. BlueJay
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

    No filibuster proof will be more FUN!

    Let the cons drag cots into the Senate and talk all day and night.

    Change is here.

  152. janeeyre
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    CJM, your dictionary may not contain the word gullible, but my Living Webster’s does–right there at the bottom of page 430. So am I the one who is being “gulled” or did you just not find the word in your dictionary?

  153. StevenEDavis
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:54 pm | Permalink
    That’s like some kind of government controlled plan, right?
    —————-

    Yes, a waste water plan.

    ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:57 pm | Permalink
    And by waste water I mean poo-poo and pee-pee. Or just storm run off, but more likly the “P’s”.

    ANTI
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 9:59 pm | Permalink
    Anyway RoaCH, fatten up on the carbs and enjoy my sarcasm.

    Good Night.
    * * * * *

    Night Sarcasm Troll….. Or, sarcasm sock puttet…

  154. StevenEDavis
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    puttet should be: “Puppet” – but after all we’re talking to the troll, ANTI.

  155. Agnatha
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    Re: Jim Johnson
    DNFTT

  156. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

    Sad news –

    Odetta, the singer whose deep voice wove together the strongest songs of American folk music and the civil rights movement, died Tuesday. She was 77.

  157. JimJohnson
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

    Nathan, how’s this look?

    Items — Buying These NowQuantityPriceTotal
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    9mm Luger +P Remington Express Handgun Cartridge, 115-Grain JHP Bullet, 1250 fps, 50 Rounds per Box$36.35$36.35
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    Ammo 9mm Remington UMC, 124 Grains +P Metal Case 50 Rounds per Box Brand New Factory Ammo$17.89$17.89
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    .40 S&W Winchester Super-X Handgun Cartridge, 155-Grain Silvertip Hollow Point Bullet, 1205 fps, 50 Rounds per Box$41.52$41.52
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    Ammo .45 Auto Remington 185 Grain JHP Box of 50, Golden Saber Bonded$42.79$42.79
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    Subtotal = $171.28

  158. BlueJay
    Posted December 3, 2008 at 12:06 am | Permalink

    Nothing audible out of Ann Coulter lately.

    Guess her mouth MUST be wired shut. Good for that. I’d say that typifies the situation of the kook right.

    Yeah Saxby (only in the South does a kid get saddled with a name like that) won in Georgia.

    Georgia is only marginally more important than Kansas.

    A little past midnight and another day closer to unified Democratic control of government.

  159. mymnDycle
    Posted December 4, 2008 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    I just read that Schulte/Proskauer and Dewey are all laying off associates: http://www.jdjournal.com/category/layoffs/