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Top 10 dud climate predictions
By Andrew Bolt, writing from Australia
Global warming preachers have had a shocking 2008. So many of their predictions this year went splat. Here’s their problem: they’ve been scaring us for so long that it’s now possible to check if things are turning out as hot as they warned. And good news! I bring you Christmas cheer – the top 10 warming predictions to hit the wall this year. Read, so you can end 2008 with optimism, knowing this Christmas won’t be the last for you, the planet or even the polar bears.
1. OUR CITIES WILL DIE OF THIRST
Tim Flannery, an expert in bones, has made a fortune from books and lectures warning that we face global warming doom. He scared us so well that we last year made him Australian of the Year. In March, Flannery said: “The water problem is so severe for Adelaide that it may run out of water by early 2009.” In fact, Adelaide’s reservoirs are now 75 per cent full, just weeks from 2009.
In June last year, Flannery warned Brisbane’s “water supplies are so low they need desalinated water urgently, possibly in as little as 18 months”. In fact, 18 months later, its dams are 46 per cent full after Brisbane’s wettest spring in 27 years.
In 2005, Flannery predicted Sydney’s dams could be dry in just two years. In fact, three years later its dams are 63 per cent full, not least because June last year was its wettest since 1951.
In 2004, Flannery said global warming would cause such droughts that “there is a fair chance Perth will be the 21st century’s first ghost metropolis”. In fact, Perth now has the lowest water restrictions of any state capital, thanks to its desalination plant and dams that are 40 per cent full after the city’s wettest November in 17 years.
Lesson: This truly is a land “of drought and flooding rains”. Distrust a professional panic merchant who predicts the first but ignores the second.
2. OUR REEF WILL DIE
PROFESSOR Ove Hoegh-Guldberg, of Queensland University, is Australia’s most quoted reef expert. He’s advised business, green and government groups, and won our rich Eureka Prize for scares about our reef. He’s chaired a $20 million global warming study of the World Bank. In 1999, Hoegh-Guldberg warned that the Great Barrier Reef was under pressure from global warming, and much of it had turned white. In fact, he later admitted the reef had made a “surprising” recovery.
In 2006, he warned high temperatures meant “between 30 and 40 per cent of coral on Queensland’s great Barrier Reef could die within a month”. In fact, he later admitted this bleaching had “a minimal impact”.
In 2007, he warned that temperature changes of the kind caused by global warming were again bleaching the reef. In fact, the Global Coral Reef Monitoring Network last week said there had been no big damage to the reef caused by climate change in the four years since its last report, and veteran diver Ben Cropp said this week that in 50 years he’d seen none at all.
Lesson: Reefs adapt, like so much of nature. Learn again that scares make big headlines and bigger careers.
3. GOODBYE, NORTH POLE
In April this year, the papers were full of warnings the Arctic ice could all melt. “We’re actually projecting this year that the North Pole may be free of ice for the first time,” claimed Dr David Barber, of Manitoba University, ignoring the many earlier times the Pole has been ice free. “It’s hard to see how the system may bounce back (this year),” fretted Dr Ignatius Rigor, of Washington University’s polar science centre. Tim Flannery also warned “this may be the Arctic’s first ice-free year”, and the ABC and Age got reporter Marian Wilkinson to go stare at the ice and wail: “Here you can see climate change happening before your eyes.”
In fact, the Arctic’s ice cover this year was almost 10 per cent above last year’s great low, and has refrozen rapidly since. Meanwhile, sea ice in the Southern Hemisphere has been increasing. Been told either cool fact? Yet Barber is again in the news this month, predicting an ice-free Arctic now in six years. Did anyone ask him how he got his last prediction wrong?
Lesson: The media prefers hot scares to cool truths. And it rarely holds its pet scaremongers to account.
4. BEWARE HUGE WINDS
Al Gore sold his scary global warming film, An Inconvenient Truth, shown in almost every school in the country, with a poster of a terrible hurricane. Former US president Bill Clinton later gloated: “It is now generally recognised that while Al Gore and I were ridiculed, we were right about global warming. . . It’s going to lead to more hurricanes.” In fact, there is still no proof of a link between any warming and hurricanes. Australia is actually getting fewer cyclones, and last month researchers at Florida State University concluded that the 2007 and 2008 hurricane seasons had the least tropical activity in the Northern Hemisphere in 30 years.
Lesson: Beware of politicians riding the warming bandwagon.
5. GIANT HAILSTONES WILL SMASH THROUGH YOUR ROOF
Ross Garnaut, a professor of economics, is the guru behind the Rudd Government’s global warming policies. He this year defended the ugly curved steel roof he’d planned at the rear of his city property, telling angry locals he was protecting himself from climate change: “Severe and more frequent hailstones will be a feature of this change,” he said. In fact, even the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change admits “decreases in hail frequency are simulated for Melbourne. . .”
Lesson: Beware also of government advisers on that warming wagon.
6. NO MORE SKIING
A bad ski season three years ago – right after a great one – had The Age and other alarmists blaming global warming. The CSIRO, once our top science body, fanned the fear by claiming resorts such as Mt Hotham and Mt Buller could lose a quarter of their snow by 2020. In fact, this year was another boom one for skiing, with Mt Hotham and Mt Buller covered in snow five weeks before the season started.
What’s more, a study this year in the Hydrological Sciences Journal checked six climate models, including one used by the CSIRO. It found they couldn’t even predict the regional climate we’d had already: “Local model projections cannot be credible . . .” It also confirmed the finding of a study last year in the International Journal of Climatology that the 22 most cited global warming models could not “accurately explain the (global) climate from the recent past”. As for predicting the future. . .
Lesson: The CSIRO’s scary predictions are near worthless.
7. PERTH WILL BAKE DRY
The CSIRO last year claimed Perth was “particularly vulnerable” and had a 90 per cent chance of getting less rain and higher temperatures. “There are not many other parts of the world where the IPCC has made a prediction that a drop in rainfall is highly likely,” it said. In fact, Perth has just had its coldest and wettest November since 1991.
Lesson: As I said, don’t trust the CSIRO’s model or its warnings.
8. ISLANDS WILL DROWN
The seas will rise up to 100m by 2100, claims ABC Science Show host Robyn Williams. Six metres, suggests Al Gore. So let’s take in “climate refugees” from low-lying Tuvalu, says federal Labor. And ban coastal development, says the Brumby Government. In fact, while the seas have slowly risen since the last ice age, before man got gassy, they’ve stopped rising for the last two, according to data from the Jason-1 satellite. “There is no evidence for accelerated sea-level rises,” the Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute declared last month.
Lesson: Trust the data, not the politicians.
9. BRITAIN WILL SWELTER
The British Met Office is home to the Hadley Centre, one of the top centres of the man-made global warming faith. In April it predicted: “The coming summer is expected to be a ‘typical British summer’. . .” In fact, in August it admitted: “(This) summer . . . has been one of the wettest on record across the UK.” In September it predicted: “The coming winter (is) likely to be milder than average.” In fact, winter has been so cold that London had its first October snow in 74 years — and on the day Parliament voted to fight “global warming”.
Lesson: If the Met can’t predict the weather three months out, what can it know of the climate 100 years hence?
10. WE’LL BE HOTTER
Speaking of the Met, it has so far predicted 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005 and 2007 would be the world’s hottest or second-hottest year on record, but nine of the past 10 years it predicted temperatures too high. In fact, the Met this month conceded 2008 would be the coldest year this century. That makes 1998 still the hottest year on record since the Medieval Warm Period some 1000 years ago. Indeed, temperatures have slowly fallen since around 2002. As Roger Pielke Sr, Professor Emeritus of Colorado State University’s Department of Atmospheric Science, declared this month: “Global warming has stopped for the last few years.”
Lesson: Something is wrong with warming models that predict warming in a cooling world, especially when we’re each year pumping out even more greenhouse gases. Be sceptical.
Those, then, are the top 10 dud predictions of that hooting, screaming and screeching tribe of warming alarmists. Look and laugh. And dare to believe the world is bright and reason may yet triumph.
Source:
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24820442-5000117,00.html
A BIG thank you to all who sacrificed a moment of their time and shared a portion of their blessings with our Ministry or any other Charity that you may have chosen to support. Thank you, thank you.. the needs are great and you have been a blessing to others.
The one thing I love about living in America is that the people are generous.
Vegas: Biggest Snow in 30 years…
Spokane shut…
WATCH: NYC May Get 6 Inches Tomorrow…
Chicago: One Foot…
FREAK: SNOW IN MALIBU…
MAP: WATCH/WARNING…
http://www.drudgereport.com/
Global Warming they big, hysterical threat!
Obviously you don’t understand global warming, Box. And whether you think it’s real or not, it won’t hurt us to clean up our act, we only have one earth.
Wichita: Snows two inches on Tuesday and Wednesday … completely gone by this morning!
I recall the 1950’s out in Pratt when several snows each winter would drift up 15 feet to the roofs of houses in our neighborhood. We dug snow tunnels to get to the mail box.
Global warming?
The NY Times has a wonderful essay about Frank Capra’s holiday film, “It’s a Wonderful Life.”
Wendell Jamieson makes some points that may be relevant to consider as we ponder Wichita’s future.
Shall we be Bedford Falls, or will Wichita be better off emulating Pottersville?
Enjoy:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/19/movies/19wond.html?pagewanted=1&8dpc
Mary,
I’m not against cleaning up the earth and keeping it clean at all. I think it foolish the hysteria that some people have fallen into over the whole thing. I think this is one of the biggest ruses propagated on taxpayers, a way of governing/taxing agencies to tax companies which in turn pass that on to consumers, and they do it to gain power and control over their subjects.
The earth will take care of itself, nature is vastly more powerful than man. To harm they economy and consequently people to gain taxes and power is immoral.
samkan I am interested in donating to your ministry please post a website address.
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Obviously you don’t understand global warming, Box.
LMAO. The best answer the alarmists can come up with. Sounds like cos.
Al Gore is right! Sort of. The current debate over climate change is over. At least, it is over in terms of a logical and unbiased inquiry.
The debate over “climate change” is no longer a matter of science. In the past forty years, the proponents of “climate change” have written and rewritten their hypotheses to fit the empirical facts. In logic this is sometimes called “The fallacy of saving the hypothesis.” There is no honest discussion when the topic of a debate is constantly controlled, and occasionally altered, by the proponents of one side of the argument. Climate change proponents have been doing this for years.
I distinctly remember the first time I had an argument with someone about “climate change.” It was a warm spring day in April of 1975. I was walking across the campus at Harvard headed for lunch. A fellow classmate (we were both juniors) ran up to me. He was really excited. He hollered out:
“Have you heard? The ice age is coming. They’ve proven it with computer studies at MIT.”
“How did they prove that there is an ice age coming with computers?” I asked my friend.
“The planet is getting colder. They have the data. And it is going to keep getting colder. They have these computer models –”
I stopped him right there. I knew enough about computers to understand that they were not up to accurately predicting short-term weather patterns — let alone an ice age.
“No way. Computers aren’t that powerful. ”
“But they have the data and they have computers!”
“I know they do. But computers spit out whatever they are programmed to spit out. Load a computer with the data that the world has been getting colder; ask it what the weather will be tomorrow, and what do you think the computer is going to tell you? The world is getting hotter? If it does you’d better get a better computer. You hungry?” I replied and I continued on my way to lunch.
The original “climate change” hypothesis was that the planet was getting colder and that it would continue getting colder. That was a very simple hypothesis and was easily proven or refuted. Planet keeps getting colder = hypothesis correct. Planet gets warmer = hypothesis incorrect.
The world got warmer instead of colder. The “climate change” hypothesis was rewritten. This time the planet was facing a catastrophic meltdown. The world was not only getting warmer — it was going to keep getting warmer at an ever increasing and life-threatening rate.
I remember this hypothesis too. It was scary. Computers were fed information that the world was now heating up and asked, again, “what will the weather be tomorrow?” This time the computers spit out: “hotter.” Good computers.
The computers said it would be even hotter the day after tomorrow. Hotter still next week, and next month. And in a few years? Forget about it.
The hypothesis predicted, and the computers affirmed, an exponential increase in temperatures was being caused by the exponential increase in man made green house gases. Al Gore’s famous (and refuted) “hockey stick graph” proved it. In other words, the earth would heat fast, then faster, then faster still. Man made global warming was predicted to be a run away train on a steep downhill incline that had to be stopped and stopped immediately.
That was the hypothesis. It was simple. And it was just as easily proved or refuted as the global cooling hypothesis. World gets steadily and increasingly warmer = hypothesis correct. Planet gets colder = hypothesis incorrect.
But while concentrations of CO2, the culprit behind man made global warming, continued to rise — the temperature did not. The empirical data refused to cooperate with the hypothesis. In the last few years the earth’s temperature has leveled off. It may be dropping.
Oops. Another hypothesis bites the dust. Not to worry. The hypothesis has been rewritten, once again. Now we have a “climate crisis.” Long term global warming is causing short term global cooling that will, eventually, result in long term global warming. Really. That is the new hypothesis.
The official reason being given is that the “weather is not the climate.” For those readers not skilled in dialectical huckstering, the argument seems to be that the weather can get colder while the climate gets warmer.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/12/climate_crisis_logic_crisis.html
Proponents of global warming finally have an irrefutable, because incoherent, theory guaranteed to win any debate. This hypothesis cannot be refuted. If the “weather” cools it proves that the “climate” is getting warmer. If the weather gets warmer then the climate gets warmer. As the barker shouts out at the carnival,
“Winner! Winner! Winner!”
This latest hypothesis is a violation of the most basic of the laws of logic: the principle of non-contradiction. Something cannot be both A and not A. The weather cannot get colder while the climate gets hotter anymore than the earth can be flat while the world is round. This is not science, or logic; this is unabashed nonsense.
Yes. Climate science has come to this: We are now being told, in effect, to ignore the data and believe the hypothesis. I have recently written that global warming is not a science — it is a religion. I take it back. Global warming, aka climate crisis, is now a crisis of logic. In other words, it is insanity.
CNN Meteorologist: Manmade Global Warming Theory ‘Arrogant’
Network’s second meteorologist to challenge notion man can alter climate.
By Jeff Poor
Business & Media Institute
12/18/2008 11:02:44 PM
Unprecedented snow in Las Vegas has some scratching their heads – how can there be global warming with this unusual cold and snowy weather?
CNN Meteorologist Chad Myers had never bought into the notion that man can alter the climate and the Vegas snowstorm didn’t impact his opinion. Myers, an American Meteorological Society certified meteorologist, explained on CNN’s Dec. 18 “Lou Dobbs Tonight” that the whole idea is arrogant and mankind was in danger of dying from other natural events more so than global warming.
“You know, to think that we could affect weather all that much is pretty arrogant,” Myers said. “Mother Nature is so big, the world is so big, the oceans are so big – I think we’re going to die from a lack of fresh water or we’re going to die from ocean acidification before we die from global warming, for sure.”
Myers is the second CNN meteorologist to challenge the global warming conventions common in the media. He also said trying to determine patterns occurring in the climate would be difficult based on such a short span.
“But this is like, you know you said – in your career – my career has been 22 years long,” Myers said. “That’s a good career in TV, but talking about climate – it’s like having a car for three days and saying, ‘This is a great car.’ Well, yeah – it was for three days, but maybe in days five, six and seven it won’t be so good. And that’s what we’re doing here.”
“We have 100 years worth of data, not millions of years that the world’s been around,” Myers continued.
Dr. Jay Lehr, an expert on environmental policy, told “Lou Dobbs Tonight” viewers you can detect subtle patterns over recorded history, but that dates back to the 13th Century.
“If we go back really, in recorded human history, in the 13th Century, we were probably 7 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than we are now and it was a very prosperous time for mankind,” Lehr said. “If go back to the Revolutionary War 300 years ago, it was very, very cold. We’ve been warming out of that cold spell from the Revolutionary War period and now we’re back into a cooling cycle.”
Lehr suggested the earth is presently entering a cooling cycle – a result of nature, not man.
“The last 10 years have been quite cool,” Lehr continued. “And right now, I think we’re going into cooling rather than warming and that should be a much greater concern for humankind. But, all we can do is adapt. It is the sun that does it, not man.”
Lehr is a senior fellow and science director of The Heartland Institute, an organization that will be holding the 2009 International Conference on Climate Change in New York March 8-10.
Another CNN meteorologist attacked the concept that man is somehow responsible for changes in climate last year. Rob Marciano charged Al Gore’s 2006 movie, “An Inconvenient Truth,” had some inaccuracies.
“There are definitely some inaccuracies,” Marciano said during the Oct. 4, 2007 broadcast of CNN’s “American Morning.” “The biggest thing I have a problem with is this implication that Katrina was caused by global warming.”
Marciano also said that, “global warming does not conclusively cause stronger hurricanes like we’ve seen,” pointing out that “by the end of this century we might get about a 5 percent increase.”
His comments drew a strong response and he recanted the next day saying “the globe is getting warmer and humans are the likely the main cause of it.”
http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20081218205953.aspx
Murdock: Global cooling is here
Submitted by SHNS on Thu, 12/18/2008 – 13:45. By DEROY MURDOCK, Scripps Howard News Service editorials and opinion
Winter officially arrives with Sunday's solstice. But for many Americans, autumn 2008's final days already feel like deepest, coldest January.
New Englanders still lack electricity after a December 11 ice storm snapped power lines. Up to eight inches of snow struck New Orleans and southern Louisiana that day and didn't melt for 48 hours in some neighborhoods.
In southern California Wednesday, a half-inch of snow brightened Malibu's hills while a half-foot barricaded highways and marooned commuters in desert towns east of Los Angeles. Three inches of the white stuff shuttered Las Vegas' McCarren Airport that day and dusted the Strip's hotels and casinos.
What are the odds of that?
Actually, the odds are rising that snow, ice, and cold will grow increasingly common. As serious scientists repeatedly explain, global cooling is here. It is chilling temperatures and so-called “global-warming.”
According to the National Climatic Data Center, 2008 will be America's coldest year since 1997, thanks to La Nina and precipitation in the central and eastern states. Solar quietude also may underlie global cooling. This year's sunspots and solar radiation approach the minimum in the Sun's cycle, corresponding with lower Earth temperatures. This echoes Harvard-Smithsonian astrophysicist Dr. Sallie Baliunas' belief that solar variability, much more than CO2, sways global temperatures.
Meanwhile, the National Weather Service reports that last summer was Anchorage's third coldest on record. “Not since 1980 has there been a summer less reflective of global warming,” Craig Medred wrote in the Anchorage Daily News. Consequently, Alaska's glaciers are thickening in the middle. “It's been a long time on most glaciers where they've actually had positive mass balance,” U.S. Geological Survey glaciologist Bruce Molnia told Medred October 13. Similarly, the National Snow and Ice Data Center found that Arctic sea ice expanded 13.2 percent this year, or a Texas-sized 270,000 square miles.
Across the equator, Brazil endured an especially cold September. Snow graced its southern provinces that month.
“Global Warming is over, and Global Warming Theory has failed. There is no evidence that CO2 drives world temperatures or any consequent climate change,” Imperial College London astrophysicist and long-range forecaster Piers Corbyn wrote British Members of Parliament on October 28. “According to official data in every year since 1998, world temperatures have been colder than that year, yet CO2 has been rising rapidly.” That evening, as the House of Commons debated legislation on so-called “global-warming,” October snow fell in London for the first time since 1922.
These observations parallel those of five German researchers led by Professor Noel Keenlyside of the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences. “Our results suggest that global surface temperature may not increase over the next decade,” they concluded in last May's “Nature,” “as natural climate variations in the North Atlantic and tropical Pacific temporarily offset the projected anthropogenic (man-made) warming.”
This “lull” should doom the 0.54 degree Fahrenheit average global temperature rise predicted by the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the Vatican of so-called “global warming.” Incidentally, the IPCC's computer models factor in neither El Nino nor the Gulf Stream. Excluding such major climate variables would be like ESPN ignoring baseball and basketball.
So, is this all just propaganda concocted by Chevron-funded, right-wing, flat-Earthers? Ask Dr. Martin Hertzberg, a physical chemist and retired Navy meteorologist.
“As a scientist and life-long liberal Democrat, I find the constant regurgitation of the anecdotal, fear mongering clap-trap about human-caused global warming to be a disservice to science,” Hertzberg wrote in September 26's USA Today. “From the El Nino year of 1998 until Jan., 2007, the average temperature of the Earth's atmosphere near its surface decreased some 0.25 C (0.45 F). From Jan., 2007 until the spring of 2008, it dropped a whopping 0.75 C (1.35 F).”
As global cooling becomes more widely recognized, Americans from Maine to Malibu should feel comfortable dreaming of a white Christmas.
http://www.scrippsnews.com/node/39278
The hypothesis has never changed. It is this: Man-made gasses are trapping the suns warmth causing the planet to heat up. There’s nothing more to it and never has been. When detractors argue that the earth has been warmer before, they fail to realize global warming works on a human time scale, and what they are talking about is a geological time scale. A new ice age could be starting, and the science underlying global warmth would not be changed. The question is: do human-generated gases trap warmth on earth? The evidence is pretty strong that they do.
Just how much of the “Greenhouse Effect” is caused by human activity?
It is about 0.28%, if water vapor is taken into account– about 5.53%, if not.
This point is so crucial to the debate over global warming that how water vapor is or isn’t factored into an analysis of Earth’s greenhouse gases makes the difference between describing a significant human contribution to the greenhouse effect, or a negligible one.
Water vapor constitutes Earth’s most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth’s greenhouse effect (4). Interestingly, many “facts and figures’ regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.
Water vapor is 99.999% of natural origin. Other atmospheric greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), and miscellaneous other gases (CFC’s, etc.), are also mostly of natural origin (except for the latter, which is mostly anthropogenic).
Human activites contribute slightly to greenhouse gas concentrations through farming, manufacturing, power generation, and transportation. However, these emissions are so dwarfed in comparison to emissions from natural sources we can do nothing about, that even the most costly efforts to limit human emissions would have a very small– perhaps undetectable– effect on global climate.
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
More data at link
Fellow Business Executives:
As the CFO of this business that employees 140 people, I have resigned myself to the fact that Barrack Obama will be our next President, and that our taxes and government fees will increase in a BIG way.
To compensate for these increases, I figure that the Clients will have to see an increase in our fees to them of about 8% but since we cannot increase our fees right now due to the dismal state of our economy, we will have to lay off six of our employees instead. This has really been eating at me for a while, as we believe we are family here and I didn’t know how to choose who will have to go.
So, this is what I did. I strolled thru our parking lot and found 8 Obama bumper stickers on our employees’ cars and have decided these folks will be the first to be laid off. I can’t think of a more fair way to approach this problem. These folks wanted change; I gave it to them.
If you have a better idea, let me know.
Sincerely,
The Management
SolDevVB,
Thanks for your efforts to bring the above information to the bog.
I think AGW is interesting academically to study and look at, but the hysteria is ridiculously overblown with respect to what man can do about it if it even exists.
We live in our present weather, not climate in a geological time scale, and frankly it’s kind of cold. If we are entering another ‘ice age’, as beber brings up, then so much the better for warming I say. We are apart of the earth as well as everything else that influences it, though we don’t influence it very much.
“So, this is what I did. I strolled thru our parking lot and found 8 Obama bumper stickers on our employees’ cars and have decided these folks will be the first to be laid off. I can’t think of a more fair way to approach this problem. These folks wanted change; I gave it to them.
If you have a better idea, let me know.
Sincerely,
The Management”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/18/business/18pay.html?ref=us
“As a result of the extraordinary growth at Merrill during my tenure as C.E.O., the board saw fit to increase my compensation each year.”
— E. Stanley O’Neal, the former chief executive of Merrill Lynch, March 2008
For Dow Kim, 2006 was a very good year. While his salary at Merrill Lynch was $350,000, his total compensation was 100 times that — $35 million.
The difference between the two amounts was his bonus, a rich reward for the robust earnings made by the traders he oversaw in Merrill’s mortgage business.
Mr. Kim’s colleagues, not only at his level, but far down the ranks, also pocketed large paychecks. In all, Merrill handed out $5 billion to $6 billion in bonuses that year. A 20-something analyst with a base salary of $130,000 collected a bonus of $250,000. And a 30-something trader with a $180,000 salary got $5 million.
But Merrill’s record earnings in 2006 — $7.5 billion — turned out to be a mirage. The company has since lost three times that amount, largely because the mortgage investments that supposedly had powered some of those profits plunged in value.
Unlike the earnings, however, the bonuses have not been reversed.
Excellent! Political retribution by way of layoffs?
Silly. nobody’s taxes have been raised.
“Mother Nature is so big, the world is so big, the oceans are so big” – THAT statement is arrogant and short-sighted.
Saying that we can stomp around with destructive technologies all we want and not create any damage is the height of ostrich thinking.
morning inspiration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2AEaQJuKDY
The issues for the day:
Global warming
All gay all the time
Con’s suck
Libs are angelic perfection from God
I see we have started with topic one already.
Please continue.
Oh, who to believe, who to believe; New Scientist or Sol?
berber,
Are you crediting me with writing those articles? Are you seriously that ignorant? Sorry, rhetorical question. Of course you are.
FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP
I read science magazines, Sol; you copy and paste from the net. Fappy, fappy.
Libs are angelic perfection from God
indeed if I believed in God
Why xm cross country was eliminated from Sirius
Can’t Make it Here
James McMurtry
There’s a Vietnam Vet with a cardboard sign
Sitting there by the left turn line
Flag on his wheelchair flapping in the breeze
One leg missing and both hands free
No one’s paying much mind to him
The V.A. budget’s just stretched so thin
And now there’s more coming back from the Mideast war
We can’t make it here anymore
That big ol’ building was the textile mill that fed our kids and it paid our bills
But they turned us out and they closed the doors
We can’t make it here anymore
See those pallets piled up on the loading dock
They’re just gonna sit there ‘til they rot
‘Cause there’s nothing to ship, nothing to pack
Just busted concrete and rusted tracks
Empty storefronts around the square
There’s a needle in the gutter and glass everywhere
You don’t come down here unless you’re looking to score
We can’t make it here anymore
The bar’s still open but man it’s slow
The tip jar’s light and the register’s low
The bartender don’t have much to say
The regular crowd gets thinner each day
Some have maxed out all their credit cards
Some are working two jobs and living in cars
Minimum wage won’t pay for a roof, won’t pay for a drink
If you gotta have proof just try it yourself Mr. CEO
See how far $5.15 an hour will go
Take a part time job at one your stores
Bet you can’t make it here anymore
There’s a high school girl with a bourgeois dream
Just like the pictures in the magazine
She found on the floor of the laundromatA woman with kids can forget all that
If she comes up pregnant what’ll she do
Forget the career, forget about school
Can she live on faith? Live on hope?
High on Jesus or hooked on dope
When it’s way too late to just say no
You can’t make it here anymore
Now I’m stocking shirts in the Wal-Mart store
Just like the ones we made before
‘ Cept this one came from Singapore
I guess we can’t make it here anymore
Should I hate a people for the shade of their skin
Or the shape of their eyes or the shape I’m in
Should I hate ‘em for having our jobs today
No I hate the men sent the jobs away
I can see them all now, they haunt my dreams
All lily white and squeaky clean
They’ve never known want, they’ll never know need
Their shit don’t stink and their kids won’t bleed
Their kids won’t bleed in their damn little war
And we can’t make it here anymore
Will work for food will die for oil
Will kill for power and to us the spoils
The billionaires get to pay less tax
The working poor get to fall through the cracks
So let ‘em eat jellybeans let ‘em eat cake
Let ‘em eat shit, whatever it takes
They can join the Air Force, or join the Corps
If they can’t make it here anymore
So that’s how it is, that’s what we got
If the president wants to admit it or not
You can read it in the paper, read it on the wall
Hear it on the wind if you’re listening at all
Get out of that limo, look us in the eye
Call us on the cell phone tell us all why
In Dayton Ohio or Portland Maine
Or a cotton gin out on the great high plains
That’s done closed down along with the school
And the hospital and the swimming pool
Dust devils dance in the noonday heat
There’s rats in the alley and trash in the street
Gang graffiti on a boxcar door
We can’t make it here anymore
One more reason. This McMurtry song made me cry.
Holiday
The in-laws are waiting the games have begun
The cell phone keeps ringing “don’t answer it hon”
The whole thing’s arranged just to aggravate Dad
And it’s amateur day on the old super slab
The kids are strapped down like a half load of pipe
All safe in their car seats they fuss and they gripe
Well you can’t hardly blame ‘em it must be a bitch
Counting the crosses off down in the ditch
This one’s got flowers, this one’s got a wreath
This one’s got a name painted down underneath
Was the road all iced up, were they going too fast
Here’s five in a circle left from the last holiday
Holiday
There’s a three-trailer rig just a throwin’ up spray
Not legal to run on this kind of a day
But god damn the smokies and the four wheelers too
Stay offa my bumpers or the same goes for you
There’ll be none for him
He that wants it the most
As he hauls it on out to the Oregon coast
No turkey no gravy no Zinfandel wine
You just stay over right and we’ll get along fine
He’s missing the football, missing the fun
He’d play with the grandkids but he’s off on a run
And some hat’s on the radio singing his song
But it don’t make a damn
He’s in for a long holiday
Holiday
Now granny she’s yelling
She’s ready to eat
She’s havin’ conniptions
‘Cause they won’t take their seats
But she’s got ‘em all gathered now under one roof
With her camcorder loaded
She’s gonna get proof
But do you have to wear that
Well I just don’t see why
Please pass the potatoes
Aw eat shit and die
Did you hear about Ellen, she’s leaving, you know
How ‘bout those Packers, think it’ll snow?
And the minute it’s over they’ll scatter like quail
Off down the freeway in the teeth of a gale
Silent and shattered And numb to the core
They count themselves lucky
They got through one more holiday
Holiday
The highway patrolman
He stands in the rain
He just lets it run down to soften the stain
Of the blood on his pant leg
From working that wreck
And he won’t forget it
In time for the next holiday
Departing Chicago at 9:52
In clean desert camo all baggy and loose
Sits an Iowa Guardsman alone by the gate
The place sure looked different, in 1968
When he traveled with mom, first time on a plane
To visit some kin, he’s forgotten their names
But he remembers the soldiers, still in their teens
In their spit polished boots and their pressed army greens
With the creases so sharp, and their faces so smooth
But their eyes looked so heavy, he wondered how they could move
Now he’s got that same look, like his insides are black
He’s in his mid forties and he has to go back
And he can’t even smoke while he waits for his plane
The uniform’s different, but the mission remains
To do like they tell you, don’t make a fuss
Why’s not an issue, so don’t think too much
You just do what you have to, shut up and drive
If you come apart later, well at least you’re alive
You can get you some help, you can deal with it then
And life will be better, ‘til it happens again
‘Cause there’s something inside us that won’t let us be
In stalks through our days ‘til it’s too dark to see
And it’s damn near as deadly as Texans on ice
Lord don’t they beat all
Y’all have a nice holiday
Damn. made me do it againb.
Hey box, you called it, union get ready to negotiate, not, bush approved the same deal the house passed and the obstructionist in the senate blocked! Waaaaaaahh!
He did throw in the kicker he wants paulson to get his incompetent hands on the rest of the tarp, though.
Boxlock20 posted December 19, 2008 at 7:14 am
The earth will take care of itself, nature is vastly more powerful than man.
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“Nature” is weak.
It allowed humans to raise CO2 levels higher than they’ve been in 800,000 years.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v453/n7193/full/453291a.html
The earth will indeed take care of itself, whether man continues to be part of the equation, is what’s open to question.
Earth don’t need us for sure.
But we sure do need Earth.
GMC saying yesterday that management pay is a drop in the bucket, overlooks the obvious, when mgmt. pay is calculated on short term profit, the temptation for mgmt. is to create exagerated profits or take excessive risks, if it’ll increase their bonuses.
Congress should not only limit bonuses, but pass a law that has clawback provisions, and take back bonuses already paid.
I heard one finance firm was paying their bonuses with some of the toxic paper being given in lieu of stock.
President Bush announced a $17 billion bridge loan program for Michigan’s automakers.
DavidB, thanks for the link to the NYT essay. I can’t say I agree with the author, but it’s an interesting view of what’s been my favorite holiday movie for a lot longer than 1981.
I’d love to read Mr. Jamieson’s take on the note left by Clarence (the angel) in his copy of Tom Sawyer.
“No man is a failure who has friends.”
Cosmos links to an article pointing out that the the current 10 year cooling period is just too short a period to be valid. OK, fair enough.
To better put the current temperatures in perspective, let’s see the graph contained in this article. Which shows a 2,000 year temperature trend. Here ya go. Interesting.
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/02/11/a-2000-year-global-temperature-record/
SolDevVB posted December 19, 2008 at 7:31 am
The debate over “climate change” is no longer a matter of science. In the past forty years, the proponents of “climate change” have written and rewritten their hypotheses to fit the empirical facts.
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Actually, there were two competing hypotheses in the 1970’s.
1) Anthropogenic aerosols would cause cooling in the future.
2) Anthropogenic GHG’s would cause warming in the future.
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/timeline.htm
“1977
Scientific opinion tends to converge on global warming, not cooling, as the chief climate risk in next century.”
outlander posts a link to a paper from this journal(sic),
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_and_environment
The current admin. thinks it’s wrong to set pay standards for the financial executives, but has no reluctance to set pay standards for the blue collar workers. Anyone see the incongruity of these actions?
http://www.kansas.com/news/updates/story/637191.html
Gee, who wants to bet the conclusion will be that they are facing a shortage of water?
Bush has nationalized the finance industry as well as the auto industry, who’s next?
Personally, I think it’s time to nationalize the oil industry and the insurance industry.
Annie…
Thanks in advance :) Just click on my nic samkan and it will take you there! Have a wonderful Holiday season and a Happy 2009!!
Re outlanders 10:53 am post,
‘Does the Loehle reconstruction prove the Midieval Warm Period was hotter than today?’
http://de.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080131103827AAvI6b0
re: cosmos 12:05
650 million years. Highest CO2. Not as hot.
Cosmos is like a slinky. Not good for much, but still makes you smile when you push it down the stairs.
SolDevVB posted December 19, 2008 at 12:13 pm
650 million years. Highest CO2. Not as hot.
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Poor SolDevVB thinks that 650,000 = “650 million”.
http://www.koshland-science-museum.org/exhibitgcc/historical03.jsp
‘Advocates for Action on Global Warming Chosen as Obama’s Top Science Advisers‘
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/18/AR2008121803640.html
Poor SolDevVB thinks that 650,000 = “650 million”.
LMFAO.
Yup you got me. Don’t know where I got million.
What is really funny though is that cosmo can’t refute the facts.
“Phantom
Posted December 19, 2008 at 11:28 am | Permalink
Bush has nationalized the finance industry as well as the auto industry, who’s next?”
The democrats in Congress have nationalized the finance industry as well as the auto industry, who’s next?
You want big oil next? YOu got it. Just wait for the savior. Wait for baby Obama.
SolDevVB posted December 19, 2008 at 1:35 pm
What is really funny though is that cosmo can’t refute the facts.
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SolDevVB, thank you for being an excellent example of how an AGW denier thinks(sic).
You posted a wunderground link that says:
“Here is a version of the figure from the Koshland Science Museum. There is excellent material in their discussion of global warming, including a lot more about ice cores.”
SolDevVB insists that this graph showing the last 1000 years should NOT be used to see recent CO2 and temperature values.
‘Climate Change During the Past 100 Years’
http://www.koshland-science-museum.org/exhibitgcc/historical03.jsp
SolDevVB insists that we should ONLY look at the “previous” graph (2) at that site, which shows the last 350,000 years.
SolDevVB’s thinking(sic) would be funny, if it wasn’t so pathetic.
Is there a tie between Obama the chosen one, and the birth of Jesus Christ?
“Sorry, We’re Booked, White House Tells Obamas”
“No room at the Inn”
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/12/sorry-were-booked-white-house-tells-obamas/
Does Michelle Obama = Mary mother of Jesus?
650,000 years of CO2 chasing temperature, not driving it.
Highest CO2 in history and still not the warmest period.
And this ‘tard can’t see it.
Pathetic, defined.
All meaningless, Sol. What’s happening now is what affects humans; we have no real way of knowing what happened then.
And cosmo wants only to look at his graph and pretend this one doesn’t exist..
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/02/11/a-2000-year-global-temperature-record/
“Hey box, you called it, union get ready to negotiate, not, bush approved the same deal the house passed and the obstructionist in the senate blocked! Waaaaaaahh!”—Phantom
Oh? I did call it Phantom, ha ha!
WASHINGTON (AP) – Citing danger to the national economy, President Bush approved an emergency bailout of the U.S. auto industry Friday, offering $17.4 billion in rescue loans in exchange for tough concessions from the deeply troubled carmakers and their workers….
And while the United Auto Workers said the plan would keep factories running, the union said it was upset by loan conditions “singling out workers…..” And he called for elimination of a “jobs bank” program—negotiated by the United Auto Workers and the companies—under which laid-off workers can receive about 95 percent of their pay and benefits for years. Early this month, the UAW agreed to suspend the program.
The United Auto Workers are “disappointed” that Bush added “unfair conditions singling out workers,” the union’s president, Ronald Gettelfinger, said in a statement.
a good parasite doesn’t kill the host
SolDevVB posted December 19, 2008 at 2:22 pm
650,000 years of CO2 chasing temperature, not driving it.
Highest CO2 in history and still not the warmest period.
And this ‘tard can’t see it.
Pathetic, defined.
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1) Past changes in CO2 was BOTH the effect AND cause of temperature changes.
2) CO2 is not the only climate forcing, but that does NOT mean it is insignificant.
SolDevVB cannot understand AGW science, and he cannot refute it. He instead ignores the AGW science, and calls posters names.
“good parasite” You do so hate American workers…..
“If you believe that tens of thousands of scientists are colluding in a massive conspiracy, nothing anyone can say is likely to dissuade you….”
Climate change: A guide for the perplexed:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11462
Many of the current attempts to discredit the science are discussed here…
“a good parasite doesn’t kill the host”
tee hee
Juicy tidbit: The mother of the boy who impregnated Sara Palins’ daughter was charged with serious drug offence to-day.
More snl material, bristol palin’s mother-in-law arrested on drug charges,wonder if it was meth, being as it’s the meth capital of the world?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081219/pl_nm/us_palin_2
Har, har, har: now we know where Sarah gets her sparkle.
Explains her high energy and manerisms, and need to talk too much!
Fortunately for Bristol, her mother is in a position to pardon her future mother-in-law.
Hank posted December 19, 2008 at 6:17 am
By Andrew Bolt, writing from Australia
8. ISLANDS WILL DROWN
The seas will rise up to 100m by 2100, claims ABC Science Show host Robyn Williams. Six metres, suggests Al Gore.
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Hey Hank!
Congratulations for finding an especially dishonest AGW denier.
Al Gore only said “if” Greenland, or part of the Antarctic melted.
And Dr. Jonathan Overpeck (not Robyn Williams) said there might be 4-6 metres of sea level rise, but NOT by 2100.
‘Historical changes in sea level‘
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/scienceshow/stories/2007/1879875.htm
“Jonathan Overpeck: The big misunderstanding is that we could get that amount of sea level rise in this century, when in fact it will take centuries to get that amount of sea level rise.”
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Hank, please keep proving that you AGW deniers are liars. . .
Henny Penny
New Arson Canine Joins City Fire Department
Date: December 18, 2008
Contact: Ed Bricknell, Fire Marshal
E-mail: EBricknell@wichita.gov
Phone: (316) 268-4466
The Wichita Fire Department will introduce its new canine, Bella to the media at 10 a.m. Friday, Dec. 19 in the Police Department’s 5th floor southwest conference room at City Hall. The 14 month old black Labrador retriever completed her training Dec. 13. The training was conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms in Front Royal, Virginia. During the news conference, Wichita Fire officials will discuss her training and explain how Bella will assist with arson investigations.
“Bella is a talented dog,” Wichita Fire Captain Brad Crisp said. “She and I were able to bond during the six weeks of training and she is ready to go to work. Bella has the heart and nose to give arsonists a run for their freedom.”
Bella replaces Jodie, the retired Wichita Fire Department’s accelerant detecting canine who gave the City 9 years of loyal service.
Hank, please keep proving that you AGW deniers are liars. . .
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You’re reading my stuff again, aren’t you scooter?
Bernard Madoff:
Any bets that he’ll be pardoned by Bush on his way out?
Just a dumb question.
Could he (be pardoned) before a trial even happens?
I just can’t call anything “too low” with these people.
For all our teachers — especially those who teach elementary aged children!
To the tune of “Walkin’ in a Winter Wonderland”
Children scream, they won’t lis-in’
When they go, we won’t miss em’,
In all of this pain, we try to stay sane,
Workin’ in an element’ry school.
Christmas comes, they’re excited,
Though our nerves, they’ve ignited,
They’re off of the walls, they run in the halls,
Workin’ in an element’ry school.
In the lunchroom we can hear them yellin’
And we know that they are really wound.
Someone hits, the other says, “I’m tellin’”
And that is when our heads begin to pound.
Pretty soon… we’ll be restin’
Cause our nerves, they’ve been testin’
We’re happy it’s clear
It comes once a year
Christmas in an element’ry school!
BEST POEM IN THE WORLD
I was shocked, bewildered, confused,
As I entered Heaven’s door.
Not by the beauty of it all,
Nor the lights or its decor.
But it was the folks in Heaven
Who made me sputter and gasp–
The thieves, the liars, the sinners,
The alcoholics and the trash.
There stood the kid from seventh grade
Who swiped my lunch money twice.
Next to him was my old neighbor
Who never said anything nice.
Herb, who I always thought
Was rotting away in hell,
Was sitting pretty on cloud nine,
Looking incredibly well.
I nudged Jesus, ‘What’s the deal?
I would love to hear Your take.
How’d all these sinners get up here?
God must’ve made a mistake.
‘And why’s everyone so quiet,
So somber – give me a clue.’
‘Hush, child,’ He said, ‘they’re all in shock.
No one thought they’d be seeing you.’
JUDGE NOT!
Remember…Just going to church doesn’t make you a Christian any more than standing in your garage makes you a car .
Every saint has a PAST…
Every sinner has a FUTURE!
Hank,
I skimmed parts of it. The infamous Andrew Bolt is an excellent example of you AGW deniers.
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/politics/bolt/
That’s a great piece, Chas! Thanks for sharing!
Chas, working on ME is much harder than judging everyone else! It really is so easy to see other’s faults! No sweat, I’m on it! But ME!? That’s hard. First, I have to acknowledge all my faults and then start working on them.
***sigh***
You’re my friend, and you’re gonna help me, right? ;-)
This is gonna take a bunch of love and encouragement!
Hey, Hank, how’s the Halliburton stock doing?
Chas: Your first amendment argument from the other day wasn’t immediately apparent to me. I’ll try to take a look this weekend, though. After all, many religious freedom cases (e.g. Barnette) were actually decided on First Amendment grounds.
Chas
Posted December 19, 2008 at 5:46 pm | Permalink
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Criminy, and I thought I was immune to sentimental poetry. At least the writer took a shot at camouflaging the meter!
See, this is why I say Chas does more, I mean profoundly more, for what yall claim is the word than does anybody else here, exceptin’ maybe sam.
Also, I’m now positive, absolutely certain, that Chas affects far, far, way more more readers here, a positive effect from the pov of an xian (spelling’s fer those who track the spelling of these things… you know who you are), than anybody with a functioning pair will give him a gnat’s ass worth of credit for.
Yall who dis Chas on his xian cred oughta bow down, is what I’m thinkin’. At least if yall are a tenth the believer yall claim to be. Yall are clueless, utterly clueless, and that’s with a capital CLUE.
#
Rage
Posted December 19, 2008 at 6:35 pm | Permalink
Hey, Hank, how’s the Halliburton stock doing?
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I think it’s around 13 or 14 now, I dumped it over a year ago. Bought some ‘green’ stocks. Getting ready to dump them.
Almost bought Chrysler a week ago, couldn’t pull the trigger. I’ve been pretty lucky. Lost a lot on paper with my long term stuff this year but I’m doing OK on my Scott trade account.
Email me if you really care, I’ll tell you what I’m buying and selling and why.
Just checked my records, I sold it at 33 it then watched as it went to 53. It’s now at around 17. It was at it’s 52 week low on Dec 5th at 12.9. It’s under valued right now. Wouldn’t be a bad buy.
Hank,
You will really enjoy this page about Andrew Bolt!
‘Andrew Bolt: Dumb-@rse Pt. XVCIICXI‘
http://n3xus6.blogspot.com/2008/07/andrew-bolt-dumb-arse-pt-xvciicxi.html
Rage: It isnt just the First Amendment… it’s the “freedom of speech” part of the First Amendment that I was focusing on… Of course, the “freedom of religion” part might be a part of it, as well….
Linda —
“First, I have to acknowledge all my faults and then start working on them.
***sigh***
You’re my friend, and you’re gonna help me, right? ;-)”
The BIG step is to acknowledge… Thats the most important part of “working” on them.
And you know where I am when/if you need any help…. :-)
What’s THIS?
Al Franken now AHEAD in the Minnesota Senate race by 262 votes!
SOME of the ballots they wanted to deny ARE….a little odd. But voter intent is the rule of law in Minnesota.
For instance? One voter, instead of filling in the little circle, wrote “yes” in it for Franken.
But the voter ALSO wrote “yes” in all the other little circles for the races on the ballot.
Al Franken as a United States Senator!
The author of “Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot” and “Lies and the lying liars who tell them”.
It’s beginning to look a lot like Solstice!
I can’t wait to see the hypocritical posts from the Phony Preacher about Christmas and his phony wishes & blessings of good cheer.
Remember his foul mouthed, HI-CAPPED, personal attacks posted right here on the Wee Blog, when you read his wishes of glad tidings and joy.
CNN Meteorologist: Manmade Global Warming Theory ‘Arrogant’
Network’s second meteorologist to challenge notion man can alter climate.
By Jeff Poor
Business & Media Institute
12/18/2008 11:02:44 PM
CNN Meteorologist Chad Myers had never bought into the notion that man can alter the climate and the Vegas snowstorm didn’t impact his opinion. Myers, an American Meteorological Society certified meteorologist, explained on CNN’s Dec. 18 “Lou Dobbs Tonight” that the whole idea is arrogant and mankind was in danger of dying from other natural events more so than global warming.
“You know, to think that we could affect weather all that much is pretty arrogant,” Myers said. “Mother Nature is so big, the world is so big, the oceans are so big – I think we’re going to die from a lack of fresh water or we’re going to die from ocean acidification before we die from global warming, for sure.”
More and more lining up against the hysteria.
I bet if I scratched Chad I’d find out he’d been born again.
That’s the thing with the deniers of science. They are MOSTLY those among the faithful.
The very IDEA that 6 billion people could have an effect on the planet “God ” created and then abandoned! Why of ALL the nerve! THAT would get us on the road of thinking man is nearing in power to “God”! Can’t have that. ‘Cause then the implication is that man created “God”.
Which is, of course, the truth.
Hell BJ, you can’t even control your own household environment.
Bawks posted December 19, 2008 at 10:14 pm
CNN Meteorologist: Manmade Global Warming Theory ‘Arrogant’
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Poor Bawks just cannot understand the difference between meteorology (weather) and climate.
Hey Bawks! What is Chad Myers’ CLIMATE forecast for the next 30 years? The next 100 years?
What is your CLIMATE outside right now, Bawks? Please go outside, and try to personally experience the last 30 years of weather.
Jim,
BlowJay is the sorriest excuse for a human being I have ever encountered, and in fact is probably the most compelling argument that there is no God that created man. Even in my mind, God would not create something that repulsive. I realize God did, but BlowJay polluted himself.
Don’t like feeling that way but he’s earned it.
Cosmos, please dont waste your key strokes on these “people”…. They arent capable of understanding the differences between weather and climate…. Like so many of the Right wing nuts, they look out their windows at snow falling, and wonder where warming went??
Alas, they know not whereof they “speak”…
“Hey Bawks! What is Chad Myers’ CLIMATE forecast for the next 30 years? The next 100 years?”
Who cares! I live in the present weather, with much better things to think about and occupy my time. You are impotent to effect change cosmos, so sit down. You are boring.
“Please go outside, and try to personally experience the last 30 years of weather.”
I have experienced it, and it hasn’t change much that I can tell. It’s warm in the summer and cold in the winter, pretty much exactly as it’s always been for the last thirty years.
Bawks posted December 19, 2008 at 10:53 pm
“Please go outside, and try to personally experience the last 30 years of weather.”
I have experienced it, and it hasn’t change much that I can tell. It’s warm in the summer and cold in the winter, pretty much exactly as it’s always been for the last thirty years.
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That’s very impressive Bawks! You know that the temperature, wind, and precipitation outside today is “pretty much exactly as it’s always been for the last thirty years”.
Bawks, are you an android? What is the range of error on your thirty years of data?
Kansas Climate, hmmmm
There are four distinct seasons.
Harsh, hot summers and wind driven, ice infested with sometimes snow winters.
Humidity depends where you live in the state.
Tornadoes existed as long as man has been here (native american witnesses devil winds
Basically, the climate in Kansas has been unchanged since my ancestors came here in 1855. I have letters attesting to the seasonal changes that are mostly similar year after year.
There have been blizzards and droughts, floods and bad tornado years.
Yep, that’s Kansas climate. Been that way for a long, long time and hasn’t changed much.
Bawks posted December 19, 2008 at 10:50 pm
“Hey Bawks! What is Chad Myers’ CLIMATE forecast for the next 30 years? The next 100 years?”
Who cares! I live in the present weather, with much better things to think about and occupy my time. You are impotent to effect change cosmos, so sit down. You are boring.
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Thank you Bawks, for being honest and admitting that you only care about yourself, and the “present” time.
Bawks does NOT care about the Earth’s future climate, and he does NOT care how those changes will affect humans, including himself.
“Because we don’t think about future generations, they will never forget us.” Henrik Tikkanen
“BlowJay is the sorriest excuse for a human being I have ever encountered,”
Employing truth filter to interpret for grumpy grampy bawks.
“BlueJay is someone who I have never met because I chose not to. I was afraid that he might catch who I really was in meeting me. And I prefer to maintain my anonymous, unconfronted bigotry. It’s easier to hate than to learn.”
It’s midnight again and another day closer to victory.
Whether Obama is with the program or not.
good night; good luck; god bless —-
whatever you conceive god to be!!!
blessings ALL!!
god bless us every one!! [tiny tim]
so mote it be!!
Oooops — almost forgot —-
Thanks Pedant!!
Regular posted December 19, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Basically, the climate in Kansas has been unchanged since my ancestors came here in 1855. I have letters attesting to the seasonal changes that are mostly similar year after year.
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Sorry Regular, but your ancestors are NOT credible sources, because they did sloppy measurements.
The international CO2 reference gas that they used to make calibrations was later corrected by 0.16 ppm. /sarcasm OFF
Bawks, and Regular,
BTW, Kansas does not = “global”.
BlueJay,
I’m a born again Christian with a degree in Chemistry and penchant for reading books on quantum theory, cosmology, astronomy, and other areas of science I find interesting. Since we’ve been given brains, I see no reason not to use them in learning to understand how the universe &/or our planet works.
We’re not all “deniers of science.”
Cosmos, I commend your patience.
Jane — Check this:
http://www.theclergyletterproject.org
Chas,
Thanks for the link. I am one of those folks described in the Clergy Letter who does not read the Bible and a science text book identically. One misses a lot if one only reads the Bible literally.
When I read the creation account in Genesis 1, I find the general order of the formation of life to be similar to evolutionary theory: life in the seas, followed by birds, then mammals, then humans. It is when someone reads Genesis 2 literally that they often ignore Gen 1.
But if they would compare the order of creation in the 2 chapters, they would see in chap. 1. that humans came into being after everything from fish to birds to mammals; whereas in chap. 2, Adam is first & when “God sees he is lonely” God creates animals to keep Adam company; when that doesn’t work, we get the story of Eve.
This says to me that each of the chapters had a different point of emphasis. It is the person reading the stories who needs to study and compare and see what points each is making about God or humanity.
Jane — I agree totally with your comments…
Chas that is exactly and precisely what I meant.
Sorry for the ambiguity.
“Almost bought Chrysler a week ago, couldn’t pull the trigger. I’ve been pretty lucky. Lost a lot on paper with my long term stuff this year but I’m doing OK on my Scott trade account.” — HLPless
Chrysler isn’t traded publically, but I’m sure you meant either Ford or GM, right? Haw, haw, haw.
“Bawks, are you an android? What is the range of error on your thirty years of data?”
and
“Bawks does NOT care about the Earth’s future climate, and he does NOT care how those changes will affect humans, including himself.”
Of course Boxlock20 cares about the climate, but Boxlock20 is not gullible enough to fall for the hysteria like cosmos does. Boxlock realizes there is more to living than simply AGW, and we have as much a responsibility to provide for this generation as those of the distant future even if our activities have some small effect.
Cosmos is an arrogant faux scientist and someone crying wolf for his own interests.
Global records of surface temperature over the last 100 years show a rise in global temperatures (about 0.5 degrees C overall), but the rise is marked by periods when the temperature has dropped as well. If the models cannot explain these marked variations from the trend, then we cannot be completely certain that we can believe in their predictions of changes to come. For example, in the early 1970’s, because temperatures had been decreasing for about 25 to 30 years, people began predicting the approach of an ice age!
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:uQQN4Svt6OUJ:www.maui.net/~jstark/nasa.html+global+climate+change+last+30+years&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us
Antarctica: slight cooling in last 30 years
http://heliogenic.blogspot.com/2008/11/antarctica-slight-cooling-in-last-30.html
Bawks posted December 20, 2008 at 8:28 am
If the models cannot explain these marked variations from the trend, then we cannot be completely certain that we can believe in their predictions of changes to come. For example, in the early 1970’s, because temperatures had been decreasing for about 25 to 30 years, people began predicting the approach of an ice age!
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Done!
http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/dn11649/dn11649-1_688.jpg
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/timeline.htm
“1974
Serious droughts since 1972 increase concern about climate, with cooling from aerosols suspected to be as likely as warming; scientists are doubtful as journalists talk of a new ice age.”
Thank you Bawks, for being honest and admitting that you only care about yourself, and the “present” time.
Bawks does NOT care about the Earth’s future climate, and he does NOT care how those changes will affect humans, including himself.
“Because we don’t think about future generations, they will never forget us.” Henrik Tikkanen
Nothing you brought up conclusively refutes what I brought here, different conclusion from different points of view:
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:uQQN4Svt6OUJ:www.maui.net/~jstark/nasa.html+global+climate+change+last+30+years&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us
As I have said, we as a population must do what we must do to live. To live we need power, we need warmth, we will burn fossil fuels as well as look for other sources. But we must no do harm in a hysterical move to get away from fossil fuels.
Bawks posted December 20, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Nothing you brought up conclusively refutes what I brought here, different conclusion from different points of view:
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Actually, it does refute your old, out-of-date, 1995 “point of view”.
http://www.bestofmaui.com/ournvmg2.html
There’s been a huge amount of climate science done since 1995.
cosmos will be nothing but a bit of fossil fuel himself before there is any appreciable change in climate due to man.
Maybe someone, if we are still around, can extract a bit of warmth out of what’s left of cosmos in that age.
That ought to tick him off…ha.
Bawks,
More detail re your 1995 request (bawks posted December 20, 2008 at 8:28 am) are in,
‘Frequently Asked Question 9.2
Can the Warming of the 20th Century be Explained by Natural Variability?’
In FAQ or,
Chapter 9 Understanding and Attributing Climate Change
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
cosmos,
It just doesn’t matter!
You aren’t going to get people to shut off their furnaces when it’s 10* outside [figure of speech].
And people are not going to allow the ruination of the economy they live in simply to save burning fossil fuels if doing so is more economical. And people will revolt if you try to tax them excessively on fossil fuels in the attempt to force a switch as that will ruin the economy as well.
As I said, people will choose to live, not revert back to the stone age in spite of what you want.
Bawks,
LOL! You are predictable. You get pwned on AGW science, so you switch to another falsehood.
That is, we humans are stupid, and have ONLY 2 choices — continue our ‘business as usual’ re fossil fuels, OR return to the ‘Stone Age’.
cosmos,
Look around….not much of whatever you seem to be advocating is happening, I’m not even sure what that is except to cry that the sky is falling,….and likely won’t in your lifetime.