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Prospect of Impeachment Now Looms Over Blagojevich
Illinois lawmakers are unanimous on how they should handle disgraced Gov. Rod Blagojevich — potential impeachment
More at:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2008/12/16/prospect-impeachment-looms-blagojevich/
Put him on trial first, and then, yes, impeach him.
Impeachment requires evidence; be careful of what you wish for. Also, wouldn’t impeachment require Fitzgerald to reveal his case, and wouldn’t that in turn potentially poison his criminal case? What if Blagovevich were aquitted. Plus, you get a circus for months.
What’s worse, selling a senate seat, or starting a war based on lies. I know what the republicans will say…
From what I’ve read, the Illinois legislature can impeach the Governor for almost any reason. Evidence or not, they are going to ‘fast fry’ Blagojevich.
Impeachment for not being popular. Now that’s a concept. It’s like high school.
Two trillon tons of ice gone since 03. Now that’s a hiball.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28249708/
beber
Posted December 16, 2008 at 6:43 am | Permalink
Two trillon tons of ice gone since 03. Now that’s a hiball.
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They can find all that missing ice from Minnesota to Missouri. It just landed recently and is responsible for impassable roads and downed power lines.
What did Obama know, and when did he know it?
SOMEbody from Obama’s close staff HAD to talk to Blogo. That SOMEbody HAD to communicate Obama’s desire to replace him in the senate to Blogo.
Obama HAD to care and personally want to have someone “worthy” replace him in the Senate.
So what did he know – and when.
As I have said before, the case against Blaggo is not air-tight.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28247508/
“I am not a crook.”
“There must be no whitewash at the White House.”
“One year of Watergate is enough.”
“How much money do you need?” Nixon asked. John Dean: “I would say these people are going to cost a million dollars over the next two years.” Nixon: “We could get that … you could get a million dollars. And you could get it in cash. I, I know where it could be gotten–” Dean: “Uh-uh.” Nixon: “I mean, it’s not easy but it could be done.”
“I want you all to stonewall it, let them plead the Fifth Amendment, cover-up, or anything else, if it’ll save it, save the plan.”
“I’ll pardon the bastards.”
“Let me just say this, and I want to say this to the television audience: I made my mistakes, but in all of my years of public life, I have never profited, never profited from public service – I have earned every cent. And in all of my years of public life, I have never obstructed justice. And I think, too, that I could say that in my years of public life, that I welcome this kind of examination, because people have got to know whether or not their President is a crook. Well, I am not a crook. I have earned everything I have got.”
- Richard Nixon
People on this board ought to stop acting like high school girls who have caught one of their own wearing their spirit award pin on the wrong side of their sweaters.
How to handle security firms.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28243607/
Haw, haw, haw.
“the case against Blaggo is not air-tight”
Please: They have his voice on tape. The argument presented in your link is not material to the fact that he tried to sell Obama’s senate seat.
Your link is legalize – is there enough evidence to CONVICT?
Whether or not they can get a conviction does not change or undo the UNETHICAL conduct by a democrat governor.
Apparently, the Illinois state legislature is not “waiting” with baited breath for a conviction:
“SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — The Illinois State House voted unanimously on Monday evening to begin efforts to impeach Rod R. Blagojevich, the Democratic governor arrested last week in a web of corruption, including, prosecutors say, efforts to make money off the Senate seat vacated by President-elect Barack Obama.” NY Times
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081216/ap_on_re_us/mortal_kombat_death;_ylt=ApbbTeqRs6dDHyRzhlMFALRvzwcF
Un-freaking-real.
Why am I reminded of the legalize during the Clinton administration?
“I did not have sex with that girl….”
Legalize justification of unethical behavior.
Too bad he doesn’t even have the character to just step down…the fact that he’s going to make them go through a huge legal process and spend all that money to do so shows his lack of concern or caring for his state. What an asshole.
Or he didn’t do anything, M.C. We don’t know what’s on the tapes. We have about two minutes of quotations lifted out of context. What if there are hours of statements by Blaggo that the process has to be fair and aboveboard, and what is best for the people of Illinois? What if during moments of frustration and worry, he blew off about obtaining something for himself. As for the other charges, one rests on the testimony of a convicted felon, and the other, trying to get journalists fired, is so banal that it is beneath consideration. I’ve had powerful people try to get me fired because I reported people drank beer at Octoberfest. It’s just what they do.
” one rests on the testimony of a convicted felon,”
Now who would that be? Another Obama big supporter perhaps?
People drank beer at Octoberfest? Isn’t that what it’s about? Was it NOT Christmas beer?
Here are the facts about Obama’s Chicago home:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a_9sOMpy91Js&refer=us
Reporting from Washington and Chicago —
Barack Obama said Monday that an internal investigation had found his staff had no inappropriate conversations with Illinois Gov. Rod R. Blagojevich over who would succeed the president-elect in the Senate.
But Obama said the review of his staff’s contacts would not be made public until next week at the request of federal prosecutors, who are investigating whether Blagojevich put Obama’s Senate seat up for sale.
A-Z: Rod BlagojevichBlagojevich meets with Chicago criminal lawyer Ed Genson
Tribune Co. subpoenaed in Blagojevich case
“I had no contact with the governor’s office, and I had no contact with anybody in the governor’s office,” Obama said at a news conference called to introduce his energy and environment team. He said the review showed the Blagojevich scandal “had nothing to do with my office.”
Obama’s comments came as Illinois state lawmakers moved to impeach Blagojevich. The Illinois House voted 113 to 0 to create an investigations committee to consider allegations that the governor, a Democrat, had abused his office.
http://www.latimes.com
I wonder how those passive solar heat systems are doing right now after three consecutive days without sunshine.
Getting a little cold Cos?
How does that bike work in the snow?
FYI: My wind generator is working great along with my NATUARL gas.
“Prices drop bigger-than-expected 1.7 percent”
That’s weird. Usually they are spot on.
“My wind generator is working great along with my NATUARL gas.” — Raptor
We know that.
“As I have said before, the case against Blaggo is not air-tight.”
Defending the indefensible.
Why not be straightforward and release what information you know?
“President-elect Barack Obama said Monday that he is withholding, for now, an internal review of his staff’s contact with the office of Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich at the request of the U.S. attorney handling the governor’s corruption case.
Obama, speaking at a press conference, said the review was “thorough and comprehensive” and backed up his previous claim that his aides were not involved in any wrongdoing.
“There was nothing in the review … that in any way contradicted my earlier statement that this appalling set of circumstances that we’ve seen arise had nothing to do with my office,” Obama said.”" Fox news
So much for a new and open government!
(Someone needs to start a list of Broken Obama Campaign Promises BOCP)
Obamagate?
Blogogate?
Is the concept that a man is innocent until proven guilty indefensible, Bleatwood?
Obama is going to hit the ground with a lie?
“But the timeline of activity outlined in the FBI’s 76-page complaint against Blagojevich suggests Obama’s team was aware that his home-state governor was playing political hardball in the weeks before his arrest.
That’s because shortly after Blagojevich allegedly told his advisers, in an expletive-laced conference call, that he would not appoint Obama’s pick to the Senate absent huge favors in return, Obama’s apparent pick promptly dropped out of the running for the Senate and joined the new White House staff.
“Reading between the lines … clearly somebody from (Obama’s) operation did have a conversation with Blagojevich,” Democratic strategist Bob Beckel told FOX News.
FOX News has confirmed that Valerie Jarrett, a senior Obama adviser, is the individual identified in the Blagojevich affidavit as Senate Candidate 1. ”
Wasn’t it the coverup which got Nixon in trouble too?
Ummm — AmWay??? How is this not “open government”? Or are you experiencing reading difficulties?? The review will not be made public until next week, due to a request from federal prosecutors…. Looks like you need some new “flaming” talking points… LOL
“Barack Obama said Monday that an internal investigation had found his staff had no inappropriate conversations with Illinois Gov. Rod R. Blagojevich over who would succeed the president-elect in the Senate.
But Obama said the review of his staff’s contacts would not be made public until next week at the request of federal prosecutors, who are investigating whether Blagojevich put Obama’s Senate seat up for sale.” http://www.latimes.com
Blagojevich was arrested the morning of December 9th. Obama didn’t make a statement until late in the day
on December 15th. It took Obama a full week, to include a weekend, to get their response together? What
kind of leadership is that? Can’t communicate within his own personal staff – knowing FULL WELL what he,
himself Obama knew? Of course he had to know what he communicated to his staff when they talked to Blago….
He had to know all along.
So why couldn’t Obama just be honest last week and tell us he was not involved?
What did Obama know – and when did he know it?
“Is the concept that a man is innocent until proven guilty indefensible, Bleatwood?”
That works nicely in a court of Law.
Not in the real world.
You want to defend OJ? He’s not guilty, right?
Your horse is dead, “American_Way” –
Stop beating it.
Patrick Fitzgerald requested Obama refrain from releasing any more information until the prosecutor’s say so.
Last I noticed, O.J was in the pokey.
Hee hee hee heeeeeee…
The next four years are going to be so much fun for amway and his/her ilk. If they are this whiney now, they’ll be jumping off bridges before obama’s first term ends.
And america will be a better place for it.
Squirm worms, squirm!
And remember all those super powers you gave bushco?
hehehhe. HAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAH.
They now belong to president obama. Spying on citizens, eavesdropping with no warrant, unlimited powers…
Oh yeah. Watching obama use all the power you so willingly gave to bushco is going to be SO MUCH FUN!
“remember all those super powers you gave bushco?”
And now those powers are completely acceptable to the blue mass.
Amazing.
“Patrick Fitzgerald requested Obama”
When Monkeyhawk? When did Fitz ask Obama not to talk about Blogo?
An honest man would have come clean last week – when it happened.
Hell, Obama KNEW he was innocent, right?
“Spying on citizens, eavesdropping with no warrant, unlimited powers…”
Sounds impeachable. If it were true.
“American_Way” –
It was in the news.
Try reading it sometime.
Google is your friend.
And your horse
is deadhas thrown a shoe, so to speak.I love to hear yous guys defending a corrupt politician. You must feel like he’s one of your own! So sweet. So liberal of you!
The man will get a fair hearing, if he wants one.
But I do recall the many horrid things from your side of the aisle about our own Governor Sebelius on this board. Yet Blago gets defended?
Priceless!
Transparency and change we can believe in.
Same ole same ole.
Looks like, along with all our other problems, we’re heading for stagflation. Good Job, Bushie. Fed running out of ammo and going to have to inflate the money supply, while banks hoard the cash given to them by the govt.
“unlimited powers”?? Oh they did away with the Congress and the Supreme Court? I missed that!
“It was in the news.”
No, it was not in the news. That’s the point.
Obama could have proclaimed being innocent LAST WEEK.
Immediately after Blogo was arrested last Tuesday morning.
He did not.
Obama needs to do like bush, and promise to promptly fire anyone involved with pay to play with Blogo.
That’s what Bush Would Do!
“going to have to inflate the money supply, while banks hoard the cash given to them by the govt.”
govt = democrats controlled congress
Or did you forget we have a congress approving the spending of all this money?
A Japanese company ( Toyota ) and an American company (GM) decided to have a canoe race on the Missouri River . Both teams practiced long and hard to reach their peak performance before the race.
On the big day, the Japanese won by a mile.
The Americans, very discouraged and depressed, decided to investigate the reason for the crushing defeat. A management team made up of senior management was formed to investigate and recommend appropriate action.
Their conclusion was the Japanese had 8 people rowing and 1 person steering, while the American team had 8 people steering and 1 person rowing.
Feeling a deeper study was in order, American management hired a consulting company and paid them a large amount of money for a second opinion.
They advised, of course, that too many people were steering the boat, while not enough people were rowing.
Not sure of how to utilize that information, but wanting to prevent another loss to the Japanese, the rowing team’s management structure was totally reorganized to 4 steering supervisors, 3 area steering superintendents, and 1 assistant superintendent steering manager.
They also implemented a new performance system that would give the 1 person rowing the boat greater incentive to work harder. It was called the ‘Rowing Team Quality First Program,’ with meetings, dinners, and free pens for the rower .. There was discussion of getting new paddles, canoes, and other equipment, extra vacation days for practices and bonuses.
The next year the Japanese won by two miles.
Humiliated, the American management laid off the rower for poor performance, halted development of a new canoe, sold the paddles, and canceled all capital investments for new equipment. The money saved was distributed to the Senior Executives as bonuses and the next year’s racing team was out-sourced to India.
Sadly ………….. The End.
But here’s something else to think about ……
GM has spent the last thirty years moving all its factories out of the US, claiming they can’t make money paying American wages.
TOYOTA has spent the last thirty years building more than a dozen plants inside the US. The last quarter’s result:
TOYOTA makes 4 billion in profits while GM racked up 9 billion in losses.
GM folks are still scratching their heads.
Phantom
Posted December 16, 2008 at 9:47 am | Permalink
Looks like, along with all our other problems, we’re heading for stagflation. Good Job, Bushie. Fed running out of ammo and going to have to inflate the money supply, while banks hoard the cash given to them by the govt.
But… but… but…
When the market is up you claim “YEAH OBAMA!!!”
Market is down? “That damned ole Bush”
Nice game.
HA! That’s what Bush Would Do! But then he wouldn’t really DO IT!
Question to President Bush: And, and, do you stand by your pledge to fire anyone found to have done so?
THE PRESIDENT: Yes. And that’s up to the U.S. Attorney to find the facts.
Near as I can tell, Blagojevich’s culpable crime is conspiracy to commit influence peddling.
That’s a pretty serious crime but there’s — so far — no smoking gun that any of those requests or offers were acted upon. Unless another shoe falls. Fitzgerald is too good a prosecutor to blow his reputation on this case, so I suspect we’ll hear more than Blagojevich’s current snake nest of outrage, arrogance, and stupidity.
Impeachment is a political, not judicial, undertaking.
Keeping those issues separate is important for both processes.
Blagojevich is worthless as a politician and a public servant now. That’s pretty clear to everyone except Hair Boy.
Whether he’s a criminal or not requires a bit more substance than we’ve seen so far.
I’ve never been a great fan of the crime of “conspiracy.” I mean, if I went out and killed “Nathaniel’s” dog, I’d be committing a crime. But if I tell you I’m planning to kill “Nathaniel’s” dog, they could arrest us both for “Conspiracy,” even if you talk me out of it.
Blagojevich is a mess, possibly even a sociopath. I’m just not convinced, yet, that he’s a criminal.
“Blagojevich is a mess, possibly even a sociopath. I’m just not convinced, yet, that he’s a criminal.”
You people.
AmWay —- OPEN YOUR EYES, OR GET SOME COFFEE OR SOMETHING…. READING HELPS!!!
“Barack Obama said Monday that an internal investigation had found his staff had no inappropriate conversations with Illinois Gov. Rod R. Blagojevich over who would succeed the president-elect in the Senate.
But Obama said the review of his staff’s contacts would not be made public until next week at the request of federal prosecutors, who are investigating whether Blagojevich put Obama’s Senate seat up for sale.” http://www.latimes.com
Monkey doesn’t this make you wonder why Fitz chose to arrest Blog now. He was under surveillance and had been during the election. By waiting a few more weeks he would have been able to catch him in the act of selling a senate seat.
Why did he do it now. Why wait until the election was over. Why do it during a holiday season. Not enough evidence to prove a crime. Tell Obama not to talk. These are the things a conspiracy therorist could go to town on. Don’t you think?
American_Way
Posted December 16, 2008 at 9:48 am | Permalink
“It was in the news.”
No, it was not in the news. That’s the point.
Obama could have proclaimed being innocent LAST WEEK.
Immediately after Blogo was arrested last Tuesday morning.
He did not.
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AmWay, This entire story has been on every news broadcast since the day Blago was arrested… EVERY right wing talk radio show immediately jumped on the “nut” wagon of accusing Obama of being involved… What plastic bubble have you been living in??? You do know there are shelters now, so you dont have to stay under the bridges??? LOL
Please to note, Obama’s seat was not officially vacant until AFTER the election… Fitzgerald is anything but a loyal Democrat…
C’mon y’all… pleast try to keep up!!
chass it isn’t the weekend yet. Why are you out of the home?
If Fitz could wait for three months to arrest Blago then why not a few more weeks and catch them in the act. Just maybe because the rat he was going to catch was further up the food chain than Blago. Obama made a stupid statement right off. Of course someone from his team should have been talking to Blago about his replacement in the senate. That would have been prefectly acceptable. Now he has put Emanuel in a bad position because he was talking to Blago and Obama is trying to get out of that one.
Tranparency and change we can depend on!
okob — I do not recall addressing you directly… Nor do I intend to… Please follow story as it has been reported.
I see no conspiracy involved.
“okobserver” –
Why now?
I dunno.
As I posted above, it’s pretty evident Blagojevich is a mess; politically, possibly criminally, and almost certainly mentally.
Do you wait until the cash actually changes hands before you indict Blagojevich? Maybe? Maybe it already has. Do you pre-empt the crime by getting Blagojevich out of the way politically by preventing the crime. (If I’m a cop and I see two armed thugs in ski masks entering a liquor store, do I have to wait ’til they come out and have actually committed a robbery before I go after them?)
It doesn’t sound criminal in the least that the Senator from Illinois and the Governor of Illinois might have — directly or through staff members — talked about the upcoming vanancy. It’s patently exculpatory for Obama that Blagojevich whined the president-elect’s people “…won’t give me anything but ‘appreciation.’”
Or maybe Fitzgerald is that “…over-zealous prosecutor…” you CONs were bitching about back when he nailed Scooter Libbey.
Chass do you have to directly address someone on this blog or are you making new rules? I made a statement and you have now addressed me directly. So I guess I can ask why you are out of the home so early in the week?
Obama made some serious tactical errors in the way he handled this problem. He tends to do that as was shown during his election. It worked well for him then and I’m sure he thought it would carry over into his prezidenzy.
The press is fickle as he has now learned. Transparency is needed now.
Just wait until Obama pardons the Illinois Gov., won’t that be a hoot!
Monkey I really don’t have any more faith in Fitz now than I did then. If you remember he didn’t convict on the charges he went after with Pflame. He got Libby on not remembering something the same way Tim Russert remembered it. Others such as Novack remembered it as Libby did. The original leaker Armitage wasn’t even prosecuted. That said I think he has pulled the plug on this investigation way too early. If he was going after Blago for a serious violation then he should have let him have running room until he took the cash.
Fitz has got nuthin, nuthin to see here, move on.
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Freepers like grmie need a little more fuel for their conspiracy fires. This is the FUNNIEST thing I’ve read on the cons and their efforts to discredit the results of the presidential election.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×7984723
I’m gonna put all my investment money in tinfoil and wait for the cons to buy….
I think Fitz’s timing has EVERYTHING with Blago and his threats against Bank of America, and little to do with his alleged efforts in the sale of the senate seat. They HAD to stop him before B of A lost millions.
(whispering “tin foil” in the ears of the cons)
I fail to see how my location has any connection to this thread, or indeed, the Blog… Geez… the brainless ramblings of some of the CONS when confronted with realities of which they are incapable of understanding….
fermie and chass the state of the inquiry when the plug was pulled isn’t the important thing here. The economy has sunk to a new low and BofA couldn’t have been hurt to a large extent by anything Blago did. Letting the investigation go on would have revealed even more corruption in the state of Illinois many think.
As for Obama I don’t think he was involved personally and I would like to see him take office without a cloud over his head. That said he has to be honest and forthcoming with what action he and those on his staff took.
Simple as that. Conspiracies – well those are on the left side from what I can tell.
Chas
Posted December 16, 2008 at 11:02 am | Permalink
I fail to see how my location has any connection to this thread, or indeed, the Blog… Geez… the brainless ramblings of some of the CONS when confronted with realities of which they are incapable of understanding….
LMFAO !!!!
Hey chas, you feel like you’re in an airport? Shit just keeps whizzing over your head?
“SolDevVB” gets flagged –
“Shit just keeps whizzing over your head?”
15 yards for mixing metaphors.
Chas
Posted December 16, 2008 at 10:14 am | Permalink
American_Way
Posted December 16, 2008 at 9:48 am | Permalink
“It was in the news.”
No, it was not in the news. That’s the point.
Obama could have proclaimed being innocent LAST WEEK.
Immediately after Blogo was arrested last Tuesday morning.
He did not.
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AmWay, This entire story has been on every news broadcast since the day Blago was arrested… EVERY right wing talk radio show immediately jumped on the “nut” wagon of accusing Obama of being involved… What plastic bubble have you been living in??? You do know there are shelters now, so you dont have to stay under the bridges??? LOL
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Chass whether AMway is living under a bridge is a concern of yours because???
You are such an idiot. Why is it that the dumbest dims here have the most inflated egos?
Okobserver: “Obama made some serious tactical errors in the way he handled this problem. He tends to do that as was shown during his election. It worked well for him then and I’m sure he thought it would carry over into his prezidenzy.”
Very well said. Obama either:
1. Had something to hide, and needed a full week to come up with a plan to cover his butt.
2. Is totally out of connection with his close and personal staff.
Take you pick.
15 yards for mixing metaphors.
15 yards!?!?!? Man that was only a 5 yarder!!! 15 yards? C’mon ref, get your glasses checked !!!
take your pick vice take “you” pick.
You are also a good observer of the press. The love affair with Obama will go stale eventually. I’m betting that it will be sooner rather than later. Obama doesn’t take a stand on the hard issues. He is afraid to.
He voted “present,” effectively sidestepping the issue, an option he invoked nearly 130 times as a state senator.
That won’t work setting on the sky line as the nations leader.
Sol I agree it wasn’t an intentional violation.
Chas never gets that he opens the door and when others walk in he is all dumbfounded – or found dumb.
What does BoA have to do with Blago?? Is this yet another conspiracy of the CON Rightie Tidies???
“SolDevVB” –
After further review, the call on the field stands.
Shit doesn’t whiz; whiz whizzes.
dumbfounded – or found dumb.
To quote Fleet—
I be stealin that one !!!
AMway I don’t want to see a prez under investigation before he even takes office. I don’t want to see our country suffer under a leader who can’t devote his entire attention to the challenges he will be facing.
I do recognize that he has a lot of political growing up to do. He was birthed and raised by the Chicago political machine and has to break a lot of bad habits.
15 yards!?!?!?
Heck no. That should be bonus. Something like a safety. Two points.
Chas just opens so many doors.
Do I lose a time out too?
ksfarmgrrl
Posted December 16, 2008 at 11:01 am | Permalink
I think Fitz’s timing has EVERYTHING with Blago and his threats against Bank of America, and little to do with his alleged efforts in the sale of the senate seat. They HAD to stop him before B of A lost millions.
(whispering “tin foil” in the ears of the cons)
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Chas
Posted December 16, 2008 at 11:29 am | Permalink
What does BoA have to do with Blago?? Is this yet another conspiracy of the CON Rightie Tidies???
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Chas meet tin foil fermie. I think you two have met before. LOL
“Chas just opens so many doors.”
Why don’t you all just STFU about Chas.
See
The
Funny
Unicorn
Sol and Amway I think Chas just turned over the ball again. That has to be about a 50 yard penalty and a loss of 2 times out.
A challenge that wasn’t upheld by the umps.
Just saw this on crooksandliars.com –
Is There A Bigger Story Behind Spitzer’s Downfall?
By Susie Madrak Tuesday Dec 16, 2008 9:00am
Via Skimble, a most interesting theory:
I have yet to see this reported anywhere, but an anonymous commenter named trademonster on an investment forum said this (notice the dates):
01-09-06 06:49 AM
I’ve heard that SEC is going to shut down Madoff financial and all of their hedge funds for SEC violations. Can anyone confirm this?
And this:
01-14-06 02:52 PM
I actually got some update and found out that it’s Spitzer’s office doing the investigation not SEC. But I don’t know what the scope of the investigation is.
Suddenly Spitzer’s dalliances with a hooker don’t seem quite as fundamentally important to the financial health of this country.
We need people who understand the system to police it. No matter how sanctimonious or egomaniacal you may find him, Spitzer understands the financial system. If these posts are true, somebody in power was more interested in the the details of Eliot Spitzer’s transactions than Bernard L. Madoff’s. They were obviously more interested in killing the watchdog than in catching the billionaire burglar.
And via Corrente, something even more interesting from Michael Isikoff’s Newsweek story about the FISA whistleblower:
[Under the secret and illegal "Stellar Wind" program of domestic warrantless surveillance,] NSA was also able to access, for the first time, massive volumes of personal financial records—such as credit-card transactions, wire transfers and bank withdrawals—that were being reported to the Treasury Department by financial institutions. These included millions of “suspicious-activity reports,” or SARS, according to two former Treasury officials who declined to be identified talking about sensitive programs. (It was one such report that tipped FBI agents to former New York governor Eliot Spitzer’s use of prostitutes.) These records were fed into NSA supercomputers for the purpose of “data mining”—looking for links or patterns that might (or might not) suggest terrorist activity.
Lambert asks an important question: How did the suspicious activity report on Spitzer’s financial transaction get from the NSA to the FBI?
He also notes the convenient timing, because Spitzer at the time was looking into the monoline insurance companies – another important piece of the Wall St. crash.
Was the Bush administration using illegally obtained information to take down political enemies? Oh, I think it’s a safe bet. And do you suppose they were deliberately trying to keep Spitzer from exposing extensive Wall St. fraud?
Amway if I leave Chas alone he could run rampant and destroy civilization as we know it forever.
“Shit just keeps whizzing over your head?”
And we all should recognize originality.
Everything else is just average and leads to dummying DOWN OF SOCIETY.
(oops sorry for the caps. Mild headache coming on. Could be a stro………
Boy Monkey that is one large stretch. We do know however that politicians are corrupt – both republicans and democrats.
Someone should investigate how the SEC let this go on for so long. Whoever is involved it looks as if the tax payers might once again be called on to pick up the tab.
http://wcbstv.com/business/madoff.ponzi.scheme.2.888036.html
It’s a tough job to do okobserver, but someone has to do it. America needs to be protected. But remember what she said OK,
don’t be a hero…….
Monkeyhawk
Posted December 16, 2008 at 11:37 am | Permalink
Just saw this on crooksandliars.com –
Is There A Bigger Story Behind Spitzer’s Downfall?
By Susie Madrak Tuesday Dec 16, 2008 9:00am
Via Skimble, a most interesting theory:
I have yet to see this reported anywhere, but an anonymous commenter named trademonster on an investment forum said this (notice the dates):
01-09-06 06:49 AM
I’ve heard that SEC is going to shut down Madoff financial and all of their hedge funds for SEC violations. Can anyone confirm this?
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I think I heard this theory from Michael Savage a while back. Yup. Google Savage and Spitzer.
Ok, I’ll play. Fitz was forced to announce his investigation and bring charges, because on Jan. 20th, Obama was going to fire Fitz, and bury the investigation.
Blago, won’t resign, or talk, because he’s been promised a full pres. pardon, and a cushy appointment.
Since annie_moose seems MIA –
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KMhuAtyFCrw
Phantom,
I think you have the first part right. Fitz is protecting his seat. The second part, I don’t see. Might be Blago’s perspective, but I don’t see Obama following through with it. Maybe at the end of his term, but not sooner.
Interesting, “outlander” –
If Michael Savage believes it my first reaction obviously is it’s screwball.
Still, he’s pretty abusive of Shrub in this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaAcsca8oEc
Seems you CONs have yet to get your lies straight. And you’re all in a circular firing squad.
Those crazy Aussies are going straight to hell.
Students to be taught there’s no God
VICTORIAN state primary school students will soon be able to take religious education classes which teach there is no evidence God exists.
The Humanist Society of Victoria has developed a curriculum for primary pupils that the state government accreditation body says it intends to approve, The Sunday Age newspaper reported.
Accredited volunteers will be able to teach their philosophy in the class time allotted for religious instruction, the newspaper said.
As with lessons delivered by faith groups, parents will be able to request that their children do not participate.
“Atheistical parents will be pleased to hear that humanistic courses of ethics will soon be available in some state schools,” Victorian Humanist Society president Stephen Stuart said.
The society does not consider itself to be a religious organisation and believes ethics have “no necessary connection with religion”.
Humanists believe people are responsible for their own destiny and reject the notion of a supernatural force or God.
“Conventional wisdom holds that U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald ordered the FBI to arrest Rod Blagojevich before sunrise Tuesday in order to stop a crime from being committed. That would have been the sale of the Senate seat vacated by President-elect Barack Obama.
But the opposite is true:”
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/12/14/the-real-story-behind-the-rushed-blagojevich-bust-how-the-feds-are-frustrated-by-losing-maybe-half-of-their-case/
‘TWAS THE NIGHT BEFORE IMPLEMENTATION
‘TWAS THE NIGHT BEFORE IMPLEMENTATION, AND ALL THRU THE HOUSE
NOT A PROGRAM WAS WORKING, NOT EVEN A BROWSE.
THE PROGRAMMERS HUNG ‘ROUND THEIR TUBES IN DESPAIR
IN HOPES THAT A MIRACLE SOON WOULD BE THERE.
THE USERS WERE NESTLED ALL SNUG IN THEIR BEDS
WHILE VISIONS OF INQUIRIES DANCED IN THEIR HEADS.
WHEN OUT ON THE CONSOLE THERE AROSE SUCH A CLATTER,
I SPRANG FROM MY DESK TO SEE WHAT WAS THE MATTER.
AND WHAT TO MY WONDERING EYES SHOULD APPEAR
BUT A SYSTEMS PROGRAMMER WITH A SIX PACK OF BEER.
HIS RESUME GLOWED WITH EXPERIENCE SO RARE
HE TURNED OUT GREAT CODE WITH A BIT PUSHER’S FLAIR.
MORE RAPID THAN EAGLES, HIS PROGRAMS THEY CAME,
AND HE WHISTLED AND SHOUTED AND CALLED THEM BY NAME:
ON UPDATE! ON INQUIRY! ON ADD! ON DELETE! ON BATCH JOBS!
ON CLOSING! ALL FUNCTIONS COMPLETE.
HIS EYES WERE GLAZED OVER, FINGERS NIMBLE AND LEAN
FROM LATE NITES AND WEEKENDS SPENT GLUED TO THE SCREEN.
A WINK OF HIS EYE AND A SIP OF HIS BEER,
SOON GAVE ME TO KNOW I HAD NOTHING TO FEAR.
HE SPOKE NOT A WORD, BUT WENT STRAIGHT TO HIS WORK,
TURNING SPECS INTO CODE, TILL HE TURNED WITH A JERK.
AND LAYING HIS FINGER UPON HIS ENTER KEY
THE SYSTEM CAME UP AND WORKED PERFECTLY.
THE UPDATES UPDATED, THE DELETES THEY DELETED,
THE INQUIRIES INQUIRED, THE CLOSING COMPLETED.
HE TESTED EACH WHISTLE AND TESTED EACH BELL
WITH NARY AN ABEND AND ALL HAD GONE WELL.
THE SYSTEM WAS FINISHED, THE TESTS WERE CONCLUDED,
THE USERS’ LAST CHANGES WERE EVEN INCLUDED.
BUT THE USER EXCLAIMED WITH A SNARL AND A TAUNT,
IT’S JUST WHAT I ASKED FOR; BUT NOT WHAT I WANT!
I’m the “fool on the hill” here, I’m okay with that. Because when shit happens, I’ll be on the high ground up here, picking off all of you (on both sides) that are cool with corruption.
Insane, miserable people.
And again, all of those powers that Bushco gave himself…if Obama was anything more than Bush, he’d rescind those powers. But since he’s not (any different) and you all live in Disneyland, he will “stay the course”.
Fools.
More about Sen. Inhofe (R-Oil), who outlander insists is honest and credible.
‘Senator James Inhofe Rehashed Skeptic Screed Getting Old‘
http://www.desmogblog.com/senator-james-inhofe-skeptic-report-global-warming-screed
Yup Monkey. From what little I hear of Michael Savage, he is not a fan of Bush. Probably for different reasons than you though.
Just thought you’d want to know when you two think alike.
“Pleefer” –
While your at it, telling us all what “will” happen, can you give me tomorrow night’s winning PowerBall numbers?
Wall Street has stolen 1000 trillion dollars from us and you argue about the stupidest shit. When is enough enough? Notice that all of these sumbiches, ie; Kaskari, Paulson, Obama… are all from Illinois. Nah, there’s no corruption coming out from there.
Oh look. There’s Cosmos. And surprise, he wants to play AGW copy and paste.
Stop beating your cats yet Cosmos?
Do your homework Flunkey. I am not telling you anything, I don’t want to help you at all. I want you to fail. I want to feel massive pain. And I sure wouldn’t want to see you win any lottery. I relish the fact that you’re a know-it-all. Hell, you all deny reality and will get what’s coming to you.
Merry Christmas.
Here’s some “American Justice”. From The Agitator:
So the Indianapolis Star runs two stories in two days about two criminal cases.
One story is about a cop who was pulling over Hispanic motorists for no reason, then threatening to arrest them on trumped up charges unless they paid him off.
The other story is about a guy who was using the postal system to sell to consenting adults movies depicting other consenting adults having sex with one another.
One guy was robbing motorists, his gun visible on his hip, and abusing his power to shake them down. The other was conducting voluntary business transactions with people who were getting exactly what they paid for, with no coercion, exploitation, or violence.
One of these men got 33 months in prison. The other got one year of “home detention” followed by probation. He’ll also get to leave his home for work and schooling.
Can you guess which man got which sentence?
Great XMAS poem SOL! I shared it with others involved with our systems life cycle management.
As a systems analyst, I have this on my desk:
http://www.bnpositive.com/blog/2007/10/30/the-life-of-software-development-geeks/
But for those that actually give a shit about themselves and their fellow countrymen (not just your piece of shit political party). Look for Obama calling for a “Bank Holiday” wherein you will not be able to withdraw any of your money. Then we’ll see some Greek-type fun going on here in the States. It’s coming soon. THIS IS ALL ENGINEERED.
But for Flunkeyfawk, this wasn’t for you.
Grateful Dave, that’s EXACTLY where we’re going. Unless American’s wake the fark up, we’ll be no better than Mexico in 5 years (financially or judicially). (again, not for Flunkey)
Two of Sen. Inhofe’s (outlander’s honest and credible source) AGW deniers, who are not AGW deniers
‘How many on Inhofe’s list are IPCC authors?
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2008/12/how_many_inhofes_list_compared.php
Good one AmWay!
Heh
Michael Savage.
The “Savage Nation”
Of course, his real name is Michael Wiener.
I don’t think the “Wiener nation” would work as a title though!
Mikie is good for laughs. But sometimes? He gets it right.
HERE he is just a few days after the pick of Sarah Palin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtK7cH1bceI&feature=related
Unamerican Chicago Tribune!
outlander posted December 16, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Stop beating your cats yet Cosmos?
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LOL!
That’s your response to my posting proof that your honest(sic) Sen. Inhofe (R-Oil) spread lies and falsehoods?
outlander, why don’t you post some proof supporting your claim that Inhofe is honest? Because you cannot — he’s a liar.
Why waste time writing about this. Obama can do whatever he wants. Please, write more stories about his puppies and how he likes to play basketball. Obama is Untouchable. He can buy houses with other peoples money and say it was a “bone headed” thing to do and ‘journalists’ could care less.
Comment by Tom – December 14, 2008 at 7:21 pm
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This from Monkey’s page shows what the American public has been reduced too. We just accept that politicians are corrupt and let them keep picking our pockets and robbing us blind. Until we stop fighting with each other and start being more selective in who we vote for we deserve what we get.
On that note – I guess Chas couldn’t accept the fact that Frmgrl is a ‘tin foil hat’ believer and has gone off to lick his chops.
Not sure what you’re trying to achieve here, “outlander” –
I merely cut-and-posted (and credited it) a piece from another website.
It’s not my opinion, necessarily. The most interesting aspect of the cut-and-post was the fact Madoff’s scam was on somebody’s radar over a year ago. As the quoted e-mails reveal.
Guess all those financial wizards who lost $50 Billion dollars to a Ponzi scheme won’t have the “nobody could see it coming” card to play.
Elliot Spitzer was obviously a fool, just like Rod Blagojevich is a fool. I mean, if you are a politician these days with a taste for $3,000-a-night hookers, maybe you should reconsider your career track. If you’re a greedy sombitch with a Senate seat to sell, perhaps you should do it with a bit more… I dunno, finesse?
Everyone know politics is rife with favors and trade-offs and grants and donations and quid pro quo. But at least have a little intelligence or logic or style about it.
Like the Valarie Plame outing, the Spitzer thing seems quite likely to correlate with BushCo’s tactics of attacking the messenger and distracting us from the underlying crime.
I dunno.
I’m not sure why David Vitter’s obsession with diapers and hookers gets a pass but Spitzer’s (apparently more or less mundane) assignations with a semi-lovely call girl has ruined his life and career.
On a semi-related note:
I read today that George WMD Bush’s proposed memoirs will include a chapter on why he still believes Harriet Meirs was qualified to be a SCOTUS justice. No wonder no publisher is interested in the book. In this post-Harry Potter world, other fantasy fiction isn’t a viable genre for sales.
“we’ll be no better than Mexico in 5 years ”
Isn’t that the intent? To dumb America down?
Well we better stop building the wall. We might need a way to sneak sur a America Central!
We’re already “dumbed-down”, this blog is a micro-cosm of that evidence. Our Presidential race was nothing more than a better budgeted Rikki Lake episode. We will be there soon enough. But don’t fret none, we’ll still get the NFL and Wal-Mart.
Stock market is up slightly over the last couple of hours. Does anyone know what Obama did to cause that?
Did he take a dump?
Obama forcing banks to close!! WHAHAHAHAHAH! So they can swap the money out for the new bills wit radio transmitters in them?
Or maybe so they can swap out the One Dollar Bills for the new one’s? (Since the dollar is worthless, they can put Bush’s face on it now!!!)
Oh you conspiracy theory nuts!!!
Oh and dont forget, Pleef, that we are STILL safe from gay marriage…
Not sure about that fermie. I heard Blago was making a deal to let Barney and his partner marry in Illinois if Barney as head of the finance committee in the congress would send a million dollars his way.
This could be your chance to wed and save the BofA.
Hey outlander!
‘The Inhofe Files‘
http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2008/12/14/inhofes-mauvais-blague/
“Now when I google ‘Inhofe 650? I get a first page consisting almost entirely of articles debunking Inhofe (excepting two), and six of the debunks appear above Inhofe’s own Senate page.”
Fooled ‘em once, trying twice … who’s the fool?
http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/fooled-em-once-trying-twice-whos-the-fool/
outlander’s honest(sic) and credible(sic) source,
‘Inhofe’s 650 list misrepresents Belgian climatologist‘
http://jules-klimaat.blogspot.com/2008/12/inhofes-650-list-misrepresents-belgian.html
“(whispering “tin foil” in the ears of the cons)”
Jesus WEPT.
Irony really is lost on those most in need of it!
Inhofe is irrelevant now. Look at Obama’s Energy and Environment team…
heheheh. Kind of early for grmie to be drinking, no?
“Oh and dont forget, Pleef, that we are STILL safe from …”
A day cannot go by…..
A voice from the wilderness…
A lonely one……
A cry for sympathy
(sniffle sniffle)
ksfarmgrrl
Posted December 16, 2008 at 12:48 pm | Permalink
“(whispering “tin foil” in the ears of the cons)”
Jesus WEPT.
Irony really is lost on those most in need of it!
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Exactly what I told Chass. Glad to see we are in agreement.
‘I am the one we have been waiting for’, I love that one. It made a tingle go up my leg when I heard it even if it was said in Germany.
“Pleefer
Posted December 16, 2008 at 12:13 pm | Permalink
…Look for Obama calling for a “Bank Holiday” wherein you will not be able to withdraw any of your money.”
And it will be called “Martin Luther King Day”
“Pleefer
Posted December 16, 2008 at 12:13 pm | Permalink
…Then we’ll see some Greek-type fun going on here in the States. It’s coming soon….”
Some Greek-type fun, eh?
Who is bringing the lube?
I come back here and find that Cosmos is still doing his AGW copy and paste thing and calling me out about Senator Inhofe, whom I haven’t ever commented on as far as I know.
Do you just like me or what Cosmos?
Stock market is up slightly over the last couple of hours. Does anyone know what Obama did to cause that?
Must’ve been the Ed vacancy he filled! GOBAMA!
Outie,
Why not ask cos about how Hansen lies and fudges numbers to match the farce?
Rewriting History, Time and Time Again
http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2964
SolDevVB posted December 16, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Why not ask cos about how Hansen lies and fudges numbers to match the farce?
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Does he?
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/whats-up-with-that/
http://tamino.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/4way.jpg
Of course he does.
Why would a nasa employee fight AGAINST space technology? Because those numbers prove he is lying. He can’t control those numbers. It makes him look like the fool
youhe is.outlander posted December 16, 2008 at 1:13 pm
I come back here and find that Cosmos is still doing his AGW copy and paste thing and calling me out about Senator Inhofe, whom I haven’t ever commented on as far as I know.
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So you were not defending Sen. Inhofe in your response a few days ago (below)? You meant everyone except Sen. Inhofe?
cosmos_originally posted December 14, 2008 at 8:19 pm
outlander,
Do you believe that it’s okay for people like Sen Inhofe, Dennis Avery, and David Deming to lie?
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outlander posted December 14, 2008 at 8:30 pm
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Why do you think that anyone who disagrees with the AGW orthodoxy is lying?
SolDevVB,
Yeah. . . it’s a global conspiracy involving all 4 data sets. /sarcasm OFF
http://tamino.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/4way.jpg
Amway and Sol,
Thanks for sharing the those about those in software. Had to forward those to some co-workers. :D
Look Cosmos, if you are really as dumb as you sound right now, I’m not going to play AGW copy and paste with you anymore.
I asked you a counter question. I could have just as easily asked you; “when did you stop beating your cats”? Are you too thick to get the implication?
Nah, just hansen. He;s the one who chose the coldest 30 years as a base line. Anything looks hot compared to that. Duh.
And it just seems to be the nasa data that trends upwards. Seems UAH and RSS aren’t trending like nasa data. Seems UAH and RSS aren’t adjusting their numbers so that past temps were cooler and present temps warmer.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/02/a_tale_of_two_thermometers/
outlander,
cosmos is a certified environmental terrorist freak.
There is no compromise or talking to him. His kind would rather see people die of hunger and thirst so his precious agenda can be met.
For cosmos, it’s all about ego, not science.
No worries DJ
outlander posted December 16, 2008 at 1:57 pm
I asked you a counter question.
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And I answered your “counter question” with proof that Sen. Inhofe (R-Oil) lies. Are you too thick to understand that?
Lowest fed rate on record, it wouldn’t even have been necessary had bush not been given a second term. Such a shame.
SolDevVB,
You seem unable to understand how to compare anomaly data sets that have different reference points, and how to read graphs.
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/whats-up-with-that/
“…bush not been given a second term.”
If he hadn’t been ‘given’ the first term a second wouldn’t have been a possibility. But, it’s almost over! The ceremonial flush is scheduled in just:
1 month, 4 days, 15 hours, 37 minutes, 40 seconds
Hey Cos,
Why so late to post? Were you riding your bicycle generator to warm your house earlier? All because your passive solar heat system isn’t putting out much heat since we haven’t seen the sun for nearly three days.
All that leg work probably helps riding your bike in the snow. You don’t want to burn any GHG’s now would you?
copy copy copy
paste paste paste
insult– “Are you too thick to understand that?”
fap fap fap
Cos,
You seem to be unable to understand that when you compare temperatures to the coldest recorded period, any temperature is going to look hot.
You also seem unable to understand that with Hansen lowering historical temperatures while raising more modern temperatures, you will see a warming trend.
Phantom
Posted December 16, 2008 at 2:16 pm | Permalink
Lowest fed rate on record, it wouldn’t even have been necessary had bush not been given a second term. Such a shame.
lindainks55
Posted December 16, 2008 at 2:22 pm | Permalink
“…bush not been given a second term.”
If he hadn’t been ‘given’ the first term a second wouldn’t have been a possibility. But, it’s almost over! The ceremonial flush is scheduled in just:
1 month, 4 days, 15 hours, 37 minutes, 40 seconds
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The fall is always much harder from the top of the pile. For anyone to insinuate that this economic meltdown wouldn’t have happened if Bush hadn’t been prez is truly too naive to operate in life.
Records show where and when the bank meltdown started and we can thank among others Maxine Watters and Barney Frank for that. It would have happened period.
Now what do intelligent people do about it?
I heard on the radio that Fitzgerald is talking to the appraiser who is suing the bank for wrongful termination over the Obama-Rezko land deal.
Perhaps because Blago’s wife was the Realtor on the deal. My friends in the real estate business tell me the Realtor is often responsible for obtaining these real estate services.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/nov/04/fbi-asked-questions-on-rezko-land-deal/
donndublin it looks as if he made a bad mistake. He was honest and had ethics in the wrong state. I hope he wins his lawsuit.
okobserver
Posted December 16, 2008 at 2:33 pm | Permalink
The fall is always much harder from the top of the pile. For anyone to insinuate that this economic meltdown wouldn’t have happened if Bush hadn’t been prez is truly too naive to operate in life.
Records show where and when the bank meltdown started and we can thank among others Maxine Watters and Barney Frank for that. It would have happened period.
Now what do intelligent people do about it?
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Intelligent people don’t want those responsible for the mess to fix the problem with more of the same policies. Bwanie Fwank and the Democraps are responsible for the mess with their demand side Keynesian ideas.
Okob,
I do too. What we don’t need is more Chicago style “politics as usual” in the White House.
“Clinton personal secretary, Betty Currie, now answers phones at Obama headquarters…”
Why doesn’t Obama just adopt Socks the Cat and get it over with?
Why doesn’t Obama just adopt Socks the Cat and get it over with?
Is Monika(sp?) available?
President-elect Obama was always removed from the kind of “Chicago politics” you refer to. He was and IS known for pushing for true reforms.
A reform bill he pushed is credited – in part – with pushing Blago over the edge.
And, btw, NASA is soon revealing new studies of global polar ice losses that should shut up any deniers who have the intelligence to count to two.
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DavidB
Posted December 16, 2008 at 3:00 pm | Permalink
President-elect Obama was always removed from the kind of “Chicago politics” you refer to. He was and IS known for pushing for true reforms.
A reform bill he pushed is credited – in part – with pushing Blago over the edge.
And, btw, NASA is soon revealing new studies of global polar ice losses that should shut up any deniers who have the intelligence to count to two.
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So will NASA compare satellite studies done in the early 1900s and 1940s when the Northwest passage open then?
Oh wait, there wasn’t any satellite Henny Penny studies back then were there?
“Is Monika(sp?) available?”
They were in talks, but she blew it. She’s pretty choked up about it. Maybe even spitting mad, but she will swallow her pride.
RE: David’s doomsday –
“Recent massive volcanoes have risen from the ocean floor deep under the Arctic ice cap, spewing plumes of fragmented magma into the sea, scientists who filmed the aftermath reported Wednesday.
The eruptions — as big as the one that buried Pompei — took place in 1999 along the Gakkel Ridge, an underwater mountain chain snaking 1,800 kilometres (1,100 miles) from the northern tip of Greenland to Siberia.
Scientists suspected even at the time that a simultaneous series of earthquakes were linked to these volcanic spasms.
But when a team led of scientists led by Robert Sohn of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts finally got a first-ever glimpse of the ocean floor 4,000 meters (13,000 feet) beneath the Arctic pack ice, they were astonished.
What they saw was unmistakable evidence of explosive eruptions rather than the gradual secretion of lava bubbling up from Earth’s mantle onto the ocean floor.”
http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5589
lava melts ice…
“donndublin
Posted December 16, 2008 at 2:47 pm | Permalink
…Bwanie Fwank and the Democraps are responsible for the mess with their demand side Keynesian ideas.”
LMFAO!
Okay – I got something to say today. At present, I only have a few moments per day of computer access (my home PC’s still as dead as Paul Hill’s prostate). This post pertains to a few posts from yesterday’s open thread. But by the time they were posted, I was long gone, so……
I’ve been keeping silent about something, not because a signer of the Justifiable Homicide Petition says I should because I’m the sillier sex. Not because I hate myself and want to die, as did Kurt Cobain, and look what the hellola happened to that poor sap.
Nope – I’ve been exuding equanimity because I believe there are probably valid sociological points to be made. And I’ve been allowing observers to form their own impressions instead of interjecting any invective. However……
Parkay, if you’re trying to equate all us post-abortives with the criminals you regularly inform us about here on Kansas.com, I shall have to reject this outright. Can’t help it – I just viewed a fairly nauseating 20/20 documentary on Casey Anthony, the accused murderer of little Caylee Anthony, who is likely dead by her mother’s hand.
Sociopathic narcissism is a frightening thing. And not one post-abortive woman with whom I’ve communicated is a super-duper match for Ms. Anthony – not one. Some of us have regrets, some of us do not. Some of us look back critically at our younger selves, some do not. Some of our emotions have remained static – others have not.
But by golly – I can’t think of one post-abortive woman with whom I’ve spoken (or man, for that matter), who fits the pattern of Anthony – or the criminals you’ve cited.
I believe there are valid points to be made, certainly. But I just couldn’t remain silent any longer. And watching that 20/20 program just sort of turned my gut. That wasn’t me, even as a teenaged idiot – not even close.
Is the delightful Ms. Anthony akin to the typical post-abortive woman? Oh, (Trew)hell(a), no.
lava melts ice…
Ya think? Where is cos demanding an end to the CO2 produced by these evil volcanoes?
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2008/11/defending_cra.html
snip
But that was then and this is now. Did CRA lending somehow run amuck during the housing bubble, causing trouble for both borrowers and lenders? Data collected in 2006 under the auspices of the Home Mortgage Disclosure Act suggest not. Banks covered by CRA did make subprime loans, but the great majority of those loans went to middle- or upper-income borrowers or neighborhoods. In fact, of all the subprime loans made by banks covered by CRA, only 6 percent were CRA loans targeted borrowers in their assessment areas.
The real issue is that the CRA only applies to banks regulated by the federal government. The majority of the subprime loans made from 2001 to the peak in 2006 were made by mortgage entities not covered under the CRA. Thus, to the extent that such loans were made to low- and moderate-income borrowers—and many were with well-publicized negative consequences—it was not the government that “made them do it.” Rather, it was some combination of new, overly aggressive, financial products and selling techniques; perverse incentives of the originate-to-distribute model of mortgage financing; easy financing conditions; and, yes, pure greed.
Experience has shown that lending to low- and moderate-income families does not inevitably mean high delinquency or foreclosure rates when care is taken in the lending process and borrowers fully understand their obligations. Take the experience of the Massachusetts Affordable Housing Alliance, which has assisted over 11,000 families of modest means in buying their first home. It boasts a delinquency rate roughly half that of conventional mortgage borrowers.
Cos had to turn off his computer to hook up the generator to the electric heater again.
Let us all pray for sunshine soon.
It would seem to me second nature to default to protecting the health of the planet and the future of the human race. I truly do not understand how any rational person would feel otherwise. I don’t think I WANT to understand such strange folk.
It would be nice if we could all care about our country and our planet. But, there are options to deal with those who would stand in the way.
“FilmFan
Posted December 16, 2008 at 3:21 pm | Permalink
Okay – I got something to say today….”
Great post!
annie_moose
Posted December 16, 2008 at 3:27 pm | Permalink
“Data collected in 2006 under the auspices of the Home Mortgage Disclosure Act suggest not. Banks covered by CRA did make subprime loans, but the great majority of those loans went to middle- or upper-income borrowers or neighborhoods.”
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That was before Bwanie Fwank took over the chairmanship of the House Banking Committee.
“It would be nice if we could all care about our country and our planet. But, there are options to deal with those who would stand in the way.” said JR; while ominously holding his shoe in his throwing hand.
“donndublin
Posted December 16, 2008 at 3:37 pm | Permalink
That was before Bwanie Fwank took over the chairmanship of the House Banking Committee.”
Today’s lesson in timeline reading brought to us by the letter ‘donndublin’
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BlueJay
Posted December 16, 2008 at 3:36 pm | Permalink
“It would be nice if we could all care about our country and our planet. But, there are options to deal with those who would stand in the way.”
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What would you suggest BJ, round them up and put them in internment camps. You wouldn’t be encouraging some neo-eco-facist to set off a few dirty bombs or let loose some bio hazard to thin out the human species in order to save the planet would you?
Look out BJ, big brother may be watching.
A lump of coal from Santa Bush:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B4y5sZKdI4
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beber
Posted December 16, 2008 at 8:37 am | Permalink
Here are the facts about Obama’s Chicago home:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a_9sOMpy91Js&refer=us
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A few more ‘facts’ the article left out:
The sale of Obama’s house was dependent on the sale of the lot next to it at the same time. Rezco stepped up and bought the lot which he had absolutely no use.
Rezco then sold Obama part of the lot adjacent to Obama’a house for which basically made the lot unsuitable for developing.
The real estate agent for these transations was Blagojevich’s wife. So, with one little real estate deal Rezco was able to pay off two politicians!
“Big brother” is entitled to make what it wishes of the ideas that YOU posted here grmie.
I refer to the fact that the majority of people DO care about their country and the planet and can through their representatives enact laws and measures to ….help the lees environmentally concerned to behave themselves.
“I refer to the fact that the majority of people DO care about their country…”
Some even care enough to believe it should be defended.
BlueJay
Posted December 16, 2008 at 4:05 pm | Permalink
“Big brother” is entitled to make what it wishes of the ideas that YOU posted here grmie.
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Are you delusional JR? Don’t stare out at the snow. It makes you that way.
Some hope for the country to be more WORTH defending.
We’ll be working on that. Now that the adults are in charge.
“Some hope for the country to be more WORTH defending”
You people.
Rezco stepped up and bought the lot which he had absolutely no use.
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I heard he was putting up a goat rescue shelter on that lot
I bought me a brand new flag the other day.
(I used to put out a flag every day. But after bush stole the election, I took my flag down and burned it.}
I’m waiting.
When bush is ON the helicopter and on his way OUT of DC for good, I’ll put out a flag again.
BlueJay
Posted December 16, 2008 at 4:24 pm | Permalink
I bought me a brand new flag the other day.
(I used to put out a flag every day. But after bush stole the election, I took my flag down and burned it.}
I’m waiting.
When bush is ON the helicopter and on his way OUT of DC for good, I’ll put out a flag again.
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If your patriotism is based on a man then you are less of a man than I thought and that is a pretty low mark to have to hit.
Many men died so they could raise that flag in victory and you demean it by your idiocy.
Pathetic loser.
Go have another conversation with yourself grmie.
I care less than nothing about your opinion of me. In fact I feel complemented that you dislike me. I must be doing something right.
“When bush is ON the helicopter and on his way OUT of DC for good…” BlueJay
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That will be a great day for the future of our country and her citizens! He leaves much in ruin but we can come back from the destruction of his eight years and we will! We have the best country and the best people in the world. Together, “Yes we can!” It will make me feel prouder, safer, and more optimistic when he is gone too. Feels good to look forward to reclaiming America, doesn’t it!?
Who are the 4 attorneys and 4 staff that incoming Johnson County DA Howe is firing, and did the abortion lobby tell him to do it?
A flag is symbolic of American ideals and America. Bush demeaned both.
Yes, Parkie. Dr Tiller dictates everything that happens in the state. Now go refit your tin-foil hat.
Okob — Are really so delusional that you didnt understand that the “tin foil hat” referred to by KFG was directed at YOUR choice of head gear for today???
Oooops — I guess you didnt… I see you are still wearing the stupid thing…
SolDevVB posted December 16, 2008 at 2:23 pm
You seem to be unable to understand that when you compare temperatures to the coldest recorded period, any temperature is going to look hot.
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You also seem unable to understand that with Hansen lowering historical temperatures while raising more modern temperatures, you will see a warming trend.
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I do not understand what you believe is wrong with the GISS data.
Please explain by referring to the graphs on these 2 pages.
‘Global Temperature from GISS, NCDC, HadCRU’
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/giss-ncdc-hadcru
GISS, HadCRU, UAH, and RSS comparisons
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/whats-up-with-that/
AGW is a fraud. The debate is over.
“Prop 8 – The Musical” starring Jack Black, John C. Reilly, and many more…
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/c0cf508ff8/prop-8-the-musical-starring-jack-black-john-c-reilly-and-many-more-from-fod-team-jack-black-craig-robinson-john-c-reilly-and-rashida-jones
Chass pretending to see people thru a computer monitor is a little scary for you I am sure. You should seek help for that. I’m sorry you and fermie were confused about the BofA. But I didn’t have anything to do with that.
Grmie, you are just too goddam stupid to live.
Like most cons, you need to learn that the google is your friend.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/12/08/2008-12-08_illinois_governor_cuts_off_bank_of_ameri.html
He was arrested the next day. Coincidence? The investigation was ongoing. THIS was the rush to shut him up!
I just love how the citizens of wingnuttia believe someone (like scooter libby) is innocent until proven guilty and convicted.
Until they are not…
He he, Iphone-
http://www.ibrahimevsan.de/2008/11/14/40000-alter-stein-vs-iphone/
This oughta bring the wingnuts out in droves. I bet bigotbawks suddenly appears.
http://www.planetout.com/news/roundups/package.html?sernum=9054
New York recognizing both gay parents on birth certificates.
Global Warming…what a way to get more taxes to spend. You all will find any way to squeeze the turnip won’t you?
And the “Greek fun”…do you pay attention to any world news? Your first reaction, Brian, was to talk about lube. But I’ll never judge your sexuality, it’s cool, whatever makes you happy is fine by me.
Also, I look forward to the day when you Obaaaaama sheep get to say out loud, “what the fuch?” “Where is the change?” Scratch that, you all have waaay too much pride, just like those Bushco lemmings. You’ll never admit anything and you’ll follow along and call Bushobamaco’s policies, “genius”.
This country is tanked. Thanks.
okobserver
Posted December 16, 2008 at 11:34 am | Permalink
ksfarmgrrl
Posted December 16, 2008 at 11:01 am | Permalink
I think Fitz’s timing has EVERYTHING with Blago and his threats against Bank of America, and little to do with his alleged efforts in the sale of the senate seat. They HAD to stop him before B of A lost millions.
(whispering “tin foil” in the ears of the cons)
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Chas
Posted December 16, 2008 at 11:29 am | Permalink
What does BoA have to do with Blago?? Is this yet another conspiracy of the CON Rightie Tidies???
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Chas meet tin foil fermie. I think you two have met before. LOL
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Fermie you and Chas need to talk more. You mentioned the BofA. Chas thought the rightie tighties did it as you can see. He thought that was why you were wearing a tin hat. Don’t know how in the world I got in this argument between you two. So just carry on without me.
Who can understand the leftwingnuts!
“Planetout.com does not conduct criminal background checks on its members.”
Stay classy, San Diego.
Stay classy, San Diego.
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I would never fucking say fuck!!!
Chalk another one up for the depth of loyalty of the cons.
Following his picking Sarah Palin as a running mate, fatmouth Rash Lamebrain called McCain “John McBrilliant”
Now? Rash is declaring that McCain is not a Republican.
Cons? Load your weapons!
Now form a circle.
Ready?
Aim….
“Planetout.com does not conduct criminal background checks on its members.”
Obviously neither does the WE blog.
Now? Rash is declaring that McCain is not a Republican.
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I dunno about Rash, but Rush has said that many times before.
You should know BlueJay as you listen religiously.
“The economy has sunk to a new low and BofA couldn’t have been hurt to a large extent by anything Blago did.”
“This could be your chance to wed and save the BofA.”
Yeah grmie. NO IDEA how you got involved in this.
nitwit
Still drinking?
But what about the “McBrilliant” bit?
Is McCain suddenly UN brilliant?
Rush is an idiot.
UN and brilliant do not go together.
I dunno BJ, fill us in.
I didn’t listen today, obviously you did.
“Now? Rash is declaring that McCain is not a Republican.”
He is registered Republican, but so is Susan Collins.
Heh HEH!
All that cloak and dagger, last minute stuff bush is trying to get away with?
The new Congress has 120 days to overturn every single bit of it.
Guess who wrote the rule and got it passed giving Congress this power.
Newt Gingrich!
Delicious!
Whoa! Keith Olberman TOTALLY pwned Limbaugh!
2008 temperature summaries and spin‘
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/12/2008-temperature-summaries-and-spin/langswitch_lang/in
Yesterday, Senator Tim Huelskamp (R-Fowler) stated that due to the economy and the fact that they provide abortions, that he wants to take appropriations away from Planned Parenthood here in Kansas. Huelskamp said it was offensive that over the past two years alone, Kansas taxpayers have “forked over” more than $550,000 to the abortion provider.“There is simply no reason in the world why the taxpayer dollars of hundreds of thousands of pro-life Kansans should be used to underwrite abortion providers in this state, particularly those under criminal indictment and investigation,” Huelskamp said in a statement distributed Monday.
Not only is he forgetting that the only reason Planned Parenthood is only under investigation is due to the personal agenda of Phill Kline, but that Planned Parenthood provides many useful and needed services for women in Kansas.
CAN YOU CALL SENATOR HUELSKAMP AND REMIND HIM THAT PLANNED PARENTHOOD IS MORE THAN “ABORTIONS”? With today’s economic situation, women will depend on Planned Parenthood more than ever for all the “other services” they provide. Planned Parenthood in Kansas provides:
Colonoscopies
Breast health screening
mammogram referrals
pregnancy testing
Pap tests
menopause education
hormone replacement therapy
STD testing and treatment
HIV testing and treatment
(this is only a sample of the many services they provide).
Please take a moment and call Senator Huelskamp. Let’s send a CLEAR AND RESOUNDING message that we will not tolerate funding for important services being taken away and our health sacrificed for his personal agenda. Please call Senator Huelskamp at 620-646-5413 and let him know that Planned Parenthood helps keep women healthy in many ways, and that with today’s economic struggles women will be depending on Planned Parenthood now more than ever for all the services they provide.
Suggest they cut funding for their baby- abstinence only funding, that is shown to be not at all helpful.
And likewise, if you support the Senator, be sure to let him know.
Olberman had an interesting compilation of internet twists on bush shoe ducking. Fun stuff.
Only you outlander, would deny all of those services to poor women simply because you don’t like abortion.
Yeah right Pmom. What a charade Planned Parenthood puts on.
Or maybe they fund just those ancillary services.
Surely reasonable minds can reach a compromise. Right, Pmom?
“What a charade Planned Parenthood puts on.”
A declaration sans any examples?
Weak outie, just weak.
Just curious. Why does planned parenthood give colonoscopies?
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okobserver
Posted December 16, 2008 at 8:16 pm | Permalink
Just curious. Why does planned parenthood give colonoscopies?
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My guess is that the fudge packers were complaining about unequal treatment.
My guess is that the fudge packers were complaining about unequal treatment.
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I give that a thumbs up!…Wait, is that P.C.?
“Whoa! Keith Olberman TOTALLY pwned Limbaugh!”
I don’t recall the right thinkers on this blog ever, ever talking about what Hannity or Rush or anybody else said on their show.
Women need colonoscopies too you know.
It has nothing to do with ‘fudge packing’. What rude SOBs you are.
NO funding goes to abortions AS IT IS.
Women need colonoscopies too you know.
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Planning Parenthood?
I am aware they need colonoscopies too. I am a woman who does have these on ocassion. Just not sure why the equipment to administer these would be available at a planned parenthood facility.
Pmom what did you mean by ‘no money goes to abortion as it is’? Not sure this is accurate.
Funding doesn’t go to abortions- the antis made sure of that long ago. Planned Parenthood is a women’s clinic. It isn’t just for abortions. Why is it that’s all you think these things do or are you all really that ignorant?
I’m just asking some questions. No crime I hope. You want to protect this place and I’m not sure about it.
Still no answer about the colonoscopies. I doubt if the workers there are trained to do this. They are many complications if not done properly.
To my knowledge PP does abortions. They also receive federal money. Is this kept separate. How do you know they don’t fund abortions with this money. Ignorance has nothing to do with it.
Inquiring minds will ask questions. Sorry you didn’t have the answer. I really did want to know.
the antis made sure of that long ago.
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Actually, we haven’t.
Grm, I swear.
If you go into a hospital and have a …colonoscopy. The woman in the next room has an ectopic pregnancy and has it removed. Did you just ‘fund’ an abortion?
NO! There are regulations on what you pay and for what, and what government funding can help you with YOUR procedure.
Just because the doctors there DO happen to perform abortions, that doesn’t mean that is the only thing they can do. Why would you think that a doctor wouldn’t be able to do a colonoscopy too?
It isn’t the health department…they actually are a real medical clinic.
P.M. has got to be the dumbest woman alive…Her past shows it.
ANTI posted December 16, 2008 at 6:44 pm
AGW is a fraud. The debate is over.
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LOL! Only in confused, non-scientific minds like yours.
The issue now is how much natural positive feedbacks will AGW cause, and how soon. Plus how fast can humans lower their GHG emissions.
WTF Anti? Obviously you and grm need to ‘hook up’
LOL! Only in confused, non-scientific minds like yours.
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What is your scientific mind?
Obviously you and grm need to ‘hook up’
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I have already ‘hooked up’ with another. It’s called monogamy.
You are intellectually uninspiring P.M., do try again.
Oh, P.M., aside from the blog I am sure you are an astounding person.
But I will have to wish a good evening as I have things to attend to.
“To my knowledge PP does abortions. They also receive federal money. Is this kept separate. How do you know they don’t fund abortions with this money. Ignorance has nothing to do with it.” [okob]
You LYING POS!!! You know damned well that NO federal funding is used for abortions!! The REPUBS fixed that years ago!!
Pull your friggin head out!!! ID 10 T
Chas,
Before I leave this evening I would like to request a “???” or perhaps more ALL CAPS.
Thank You,
ANTI
copy copy copy
paste paste paste
insult– “Only in confused, non-scientific minds like yours.”
fap fap fap
ANTI — Just leave, you half-witted imbecile!!
“Women need colonoscopies too you know.”
That might be the way to lower the pregnancy rate.
If you know what I am sayin’.
Another way would be stop the humpin’.
But, Libs know nothin’ ’bout personal responsibilit’
Come on, chas. GIVE ME WHAT I WANT!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love you Chas, seriously keep posting. You make me laugh something fierce!!(!)
I wish one of our more astute science guys would come on, and explain how it would be possible for a volcanic eruption on the sea bottom of the Arctic Ocean, to cause surface warming, after travelling upwards through 4000 ft. of arctic chilled waters….
ANTI posted December 16, 2008 at 8:49 pm
LOL! Only in confused, non-scientific minds like yours.
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What is your scientific mind?
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You are very confused — it’s many scientific minds (plural).
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/timeline.htm
That is a good one Chas, but I know you can do better…Please try to use your brain(?)! or, ugh..!!!!
“…after travelling upwards through 4000 ft. of arctic chilled waters….”
It’s called faith. Plus, the whales help.
You are very confused
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No, I was asking about Your mind.
Fleettie — why dont you do all of us a huge favor, and cut yourself inside a nice big shipping crate, and send yourself to the Arctic Circle, and tell us how thick the sea ice is… that should take you a while…
and after you do that, go out to your garage, roll down your car windows… shut the garage door, start the engine, and tell us how pollution is harmless on humans…. let us know after about two hours, ok??
Plus, the whales help.
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Heh, you can pack a whale with a shit load of heat too!
They got strong backs!!(!)
fleetie — please to show where whales live in the Arctic Ocean??
please to show where whales live in the Arctic Ocean??
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Dumb ass-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narwhal
Heck, I learned about Narlwhales like in the 5th grade.
Chas must have been asleep in class.
Chas, you are the poster child for why people hate religion…cause you are stupid!!!!!
You don’t even realize your own ‘people’ are using you!
Chas,
The ridge is about 4,000 meters (13,000 feet) under the ice.
Comments from some scientists.
‘What’s Up With Volcanoes Under Arctic Sea Ice‘
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/01/whats-up-with-volcanoes-under-arctic-sea-ice/
“…tell us how pollution is harmless on humans”
Harmless? It’s not harmless. Who said that?
“Heck, I learned about Narlwhales like in the 5th grade.”
Narwhales rock!! They poke holes in the Arctic Ice and let the lava in. Bastards!
Narwhal
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Grin.
‘Visit a Planned Parenthood health center, a clinic, or a private health care provider to find out about where you can get an abortion. Planned Parenthood health centers that do not provide abortion can refer you to someone who does.’
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/abortion/in-clinic-abortion-procedures-4359.htm#center
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Contrary to what chass!!!??? and pm think some PP clinics do think they give abortions. Is the money kept separate. I seem to remember when Martin Luther Kings neice was in Wichita one of the clinics she referenced were PP clinics. She felt they targeted blacks to have more abortions. She in fact had one in a PP clinic.
Chass why don’t you check that out.
“Jamie Morison, University of Washington (I went with Dr. Morison and the rest of the North Pole Environmental Observatory team to the North Pole sea ice in 2003):
It occurs to me that we have primary evidence that heat from the bottom is not reaching the ice. Temperature profiles from virtually everywhere in the Arctic Ocean display a maximum temperature at a depth from 200-400 [meters]. This is associated with the Atlantic Water entering the basin from the Norwegian Sea. Fundamental laws of physics require that below the depth of this maximum, the heat flux is downward. Very near the bottom temperatures have been found to increase with depth indicating a small upward heat flux from geothermal sources, which help to heat only the very deepest water.”
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/01/whats-up-with-volcanoes-under-arctic-sea-ice/
Okob —- Jusst for you >>>>
“You LYING POS!!! You know damned well that NO federal funding is used for abortions!! The REPUBS fixed that years ago!!
Pull your friggin head out!!! ID 10 T”
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The ball’s in YOUR court, if you care to show that federal funding is used for abortions…. including PP clinics….
I went with Dr. Morison and the rest of the North Pole Environmental Observatory team to the North Pole sea ice in 2003
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I bet he saw a freaking Narwhal!
IOW, okob —- stop flaming!!!
Chass do you doubt that PP receives federal dollars or that they do abortions?
Narwhal
I have this hunch that okob has allowed male dominance of her health care, and body choices, that she is afraid to stand up, and take her own body issues into her own hands… where they rightly belong…. at any age…. younger or older….
The narwhal (Monodon monoceros) is an Arctic species of cetacean. It is a creature rarely found south of latitude 70°N. It is one of two species of white whale in the Monodontidae family (the other is the Beluga whale).
The narwhal (Monodon monoceros) is an Arctic species of cetacean. It is a creature rarely found south of latitude 70°N.
“America’s biggest abortion chain is Planned Parenthood,” he said. “Each year, approximately 290,000 children are aborted in Planned Parenthood clinics. Each year, Planned Parenthood gets more than $335 million in taxpayer funds, including huge amounts from the Department of Health and Human Services’ Title X program.”
http://www.the-tidings.com/2008/071808/funding.htm
Balls in your court chass. You have a big mouth that constantly gets you in hot water. Nitwit
One more time — JUST for the okob >>>>
You know damned well that NO federal funding is used for abortions!!
The narwhal has a big ass horn too, if you are confused Chas.
I am not discussing this matter further… You have already attempted to make it a racist issue… That tells much about your mentality…
Chass I have a feeling you wouldn’t know a real relationship if it slapped you up side the head. I have always managed my own healthcare. Not that it is any of your business.
Now that I have proved you wrong AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!
Will you shut your mouth and slink off to your inner self and save the world the problem of putting up with your mouth any longer tonight.
Sorry my stroke finger was acting up. I’ll have to ask the ‘man’ what to do about that.
Okob — whoever the mongrel you quoted there is, he/she/it is just another lying anti-aabortion POS…. hey, just like you!!
Ya know… birds of a feather, and all that good stuff…. You have not proven anything close to fed. funds being used for Abortions… Stop your arm flailing please… Your Dial isnt working….
No Chass, Kings niece did that. She was a very good speaker. To bad she wasn’t black enough for you to listen to.
Don’t play the race card with me you lowlife.
Of course you want the matter closed – you were wrong as usual and that is your pattern. Slink away.
“The narwhal (Monodon monoceros) is an Arctic species of cetacean. It is a creature rarely found south of latitude 70°N. But is sometimes called Narwhale by the extra special. It is also found to punch holes in ice. Scientist wonder if the Narwhal hates ice and the environment and the children. In the end, it’s really all about the children”
Ya know… birds of a feather, and all that good stuff…
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Or narwhals, they flock together as well.
“Now that I have proved you wrong AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!”
[okob]
I knew you couldnt read ages ago!! You havent proven me wrong about ANYthing…. You are a total looney tune….
Show where you proved me wrong…. I know it will take a while… but do try….
Show where you proved me wrong…..
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I can, narwhals.
I dont have to play the race card… YOU did that yourself…. When you post like a racist lunatic, you will be treated as such… I’ve met King’s niece, and one of his daughters as well… So what??
Chas
Posted December 16, 2008 at 9:48 pm | Permalink
Okob — whoever the mongrel you quoted there is, he/she/it is just another lying anti-aabortion POS…. hey, just like you!!
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I’m glad that Chas has given up the pretense of being a minister of the gospel. His own profane posts accuse him. Even if he holds a religious office, he is faking it.
Outlander he is a sorry excuse for a human being and as for being a minister – well I would have to see that to believe it.
All the fun I can take for one night.
ANTI — It’s hilarious that you are stuck on narwhals… As you can see my my post upthread, and by Cosmos’ post, the arctic ice melting is NOT related to the whales, or the volcanos…. THAT is where this all started…. NOW you got it all snarked around to an endangered species of whales…
How absolutely idiotic of you!!! LOL
okobserver,
Post your proof that PP uses federal funding (not private funding) for abortions.
Oops. . . you can’t, because PP doesn’t.
okob — go back to your hole… you’ve been out too long….
Outie, calling that lying poster a mongrel has NOTHING to do with religion…. Get a brain, please??? I understand WalMart might have a sale this week…
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) — The niece of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., is upset that the nation’s largest abortion business is using the image of her uncle and his words on its web site. Planned Parenthood has a section on its web page celebrating Black History Month and featuring quotes from pro-abortion African American leaders to sell itself to black Americans.
However, its use of King’s image and words is upsetting to his niece, Dr. Alveda King.
Alveda is a leading pro-life advocate who has been victimized by abortion and she shares the pain of her abortion decision and the hope of her pro-life message with thousands of people across the country every month.
“Planned Parenthood is no stranger to deception,” Alveda King told LifeNews.com. “I know firsthand because prior to my abortion, a Planned Parenthood doctor told me that my baby was just a ‘blob of tissue.’”
“Now, Planned Parenthood lies by trying to imply that my uncle, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., would somehow endorse the organization today,” she added. “He most certainly would not.”
Alveda King said that her uncle accepted an award from Planned Parenthood, but that it came before the abortion business started advocating or doing abortions.
Had that been the case at the time he received the award, Alveda says her uncle never would have accepted it.
“In 1966, neither the general public nor my uncle was aware of the true agenda of Planned Parenthood, an agenda of death that has become painfully obvious as the years have unfolded,” she explained.
“There is no way he would want his name or image associated today with Planned Parenthood, the group most responsible for denying civil rights to the over 45 million American babies killed by abortion, one-third of them African-American,” Alveda added.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat3754.html
Rascist much chass!!????!!!! You aren’t even a good representative of the black race.
outlander
Posted December 16, 2008 at 9:55 pm | Permalink
Chas
Posted December 16, 2008 at 9:48 pm | Permalink
Okob — whoever the mongrel you quoted there is, he/she/it is just another lying anti-aabortion POS…. hey, just like you!!
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I’m glad that Chas has given up the pretense of being a minister of the gospel. His own profane posts accuse him. Even if he holds a religious office, he is faking it.
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Outie, the Gospel of Jesus Christ is a lost cause for the likes of you… I dont need a pretense to be ordained clergy… That is because I AM ordained clergy…. And nothing you or granny good bitch say can change that —-
I do feel pity on you, however….
the arctic ice melting is NOT related to the whales
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When did I say it was…dumb ass?
Well, to be clear Chas you called her a “lying anti-aabortion POS”. What does POS stand for?
Stand by everyone, this could be good.
Ooops — typo — granny good witch
cos please don’t allow yourself to look as stupid as chass unless you truely are. I have posted 3 sites tonight that prove just that. I can see why you are so unconvincing with your gw crap. You just post to be posting.
Outie — To whom are you making reference??
“The niece of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., is upset that the nation’s largest abortion business is using the image of her uncle and his words on its web site. She mentioned meeting chas and was not impressed. She said, “He kept talking in capital letters and was, shall we say, a Short Bus kind of fellow”.
“There is no way he would want his name or image associated today with Planned Parenthood, the group most responsible for denying civil rights to the over 45 million American babies killed by abortion, one-third of them African-American,” Alveda added.
Perhaps she should take up her protestations with Dr. King’s family members… hmmmm???
http://www.maniacworld.com/Mens-Brains-vs-Womens-Brains.html
fleettwood
Posted December 16, 2008 at 10:11 pm | Permalink
“The niece of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., is upset that the nation’s largest abortion business is using the image of her uncle and his words on its web site. She mentioned meeting chas and was not impressed. She said, “He kept talking in capital letters and was, shall we say, a Short Bus kind of fellow”.
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Now fleettwood also reminds us all that he/she is also a lying POS…. At least you are in good company here with ANTI, and granny to help you out….
“That is because I AM ordained clergy”
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Hey, I’ve seen those online. You can get one for what, about $50? How much did yours cost Chas?
enema, how do you talk in caps? Short bus? Drop dead.
okobserver posted December 16, 2008 at 10:05 pm
cos please don’t allow yourself to look as stupid as chass unless you truely are. I have posted 3 sites tonight that prove just that.
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Really? Then WHY do the anti-choice groups use the “indirectly” argument?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122887146479593419.html
“Planned Parenthood receives about $335 million a year — a third of its budget — from government grants and contracts to subsidize contraception, sex education and non-abortion-related health care for poor women and teenagers.
The group is also the nation’s largest abortion provider, and critics have long argued that the public funds indirectly subsidize abortions by keeping hundreds of Planned Parenthood clinics afloat.”
MKL Jr. was a republican
good night; good luck; god bless —
whatever you conceive god to be!!
blessings ALL!!
blessings on the Holy time of Christmas!!
deus benedicamus….
so mote it be!!
Grm lost her argument so she tries making another to cover up her loss.
King’s daughter doesn’t speak for him. I guess according to her, having black women strapped down with kids they can’t feed is a good thing. I think its best they get their education and ability to support herself and family before she gets loaded down with a bunch of kids. Poverty is an issue for black women, and kids doesn’t help.
THAT is why blacks seek more abortions. That and the fact that black fathers abandon their children in higher numbers. Both of these things need to change. Fix the problem and the need, and you’ll see fewer abortions. Sadly, they’re also more likely to have very dangerous pregnancy complications.
african american women are low on the earnings totem pole, they’re the last on the chain of wage earners. It shouldn’t be.
Is life news parkay’s publication?
‘Changes ‘amplify Arctic warming’ ‘
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7786910.stm
Scientists say they now have unambiguous evidence that the warming in the Arctic is accelerating.
ANTI,
Thanks for the link on men’s vs women’s brains! I just can’t stop thinking about it. ;-)
You are welcome Linda.
I found it very true to life.
Yeah! Like I needed something else to think about! ;-)
I enjoy the ‘nothing box’, myself.