Open thread 12/15

150 Comments

  1. samkan
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 6:32 am | Permalink

    Make a small sacrifice and give so that others may have a meal this Holiday Season. It will give you much JOY:

    The Lord’s Diner is a faith-based charity, located at the corner of Broadway and Central in downtown Wichita, Kansas.

    Thanks to more than 175 local companies who donated labor and materials for the construction of the building and countless donors who provided generous financial support to get the project going, the nightly meal service at The Lord’s Diner takes place in a debt-free facility.

    The Lord’s Diner serves dinner nightly from 5:30 to 7:30 p.m., 7 days a week, 365 days a year, including holidays. A small paid staff, assisted by more than 5,500 volunteers representing many faiths and denominations prepare and serve a hot, nutritious meal in a spirit of compassion, respect and loving service. The Lord’s Diner is currently serving an average of 400 meals nightly.

    Our Mission:
    To recognize Christ, to love one another, to share life, “In the breaking of the Bread.”

    Our Vision:
    Responding to Christ’s call to feed the hungry, The Lord’s Diner, a not-for-profit soup kitchen operated by the community, for the community, and sponsored by the Catholic Diocese of Wichita, will provide an evening meal seven days a week, 365 days a year. It seeks to achieve this goal in a spirit of compassion, respect, and loving service through cooperative efforts with churches, individuals, and organizations.

    http://www.thelordsdiner.org/donate.html

  2. Boxlock20
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 7:02 am | Permalink

    My ‘Merry Christmas’ to all the We Blog folks. And I do mean all!

    Have a Very Merry Christmas and a Joyous New Year!

    http://www.munic.state.ct.us/burlington/count_your_blessings/count_your_blessings.wmv

    [speakers on]

  3. American_Way
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 7:05 am | Permalink

    The question is:

    What did Obama know
    and when did he know it.

    “One of the candidates mentioned often is referred to as Senate Candidate 1.
    This candidate is a female, an adviser to Obama and said to be the president-elect’s top choice for the Senate seat. Blagojevich allegedly says he knows the president-elect prefers this candidate but adds, “They’re not willing to give me anything except appreciation.”
    This candidate could have been Valerie Jarrett, because she’s the only female who was an adviser to Obama mentioned as a possibility for the seat and who dropped out of the running.”

    Blagogate

  4. RightAngle
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 7:24 am | Permalink

    I understand that Obama is backing down on putting an excess profit tax on the oil companies because of the lower oil prices and I can understand that but along with that I suspect goes the middle class tax cut.

    I never did think the excise excess profit tax was a good idea but here is one I find interesting.

    How about a $20 to $30 dollar per barrel tax on all imported oil to make it worth the expense to drill here and drill now on oil leases that the oil companies already have and use that money to give a tax rebate on purchase of a new American made (Ford, GM) car. By the way I understand that Chrysler is no longer American company.

    What is you opinion. Good idea or is there some reason not to do it.

  5. BlueJay
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 7:25 am | Permalink

    The “American way” is changing.

    Not the nic.

    The idea.

  6. The_Eagle
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 7:33 am | Permalink

    Throwing shoes at the president shows you how unappreciative Iraq is for all we have done for them. We must leave Iraq and spend the money at home on our infastructure.

  7. annie_moose
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 7:37 am | Permalink

    Hat tip to samkan for walking the walk. The world is a better place because of people like you.

    Here’s something interesting that may power our cars in a decade or so.

    virus-assembled battery

    A virus-assembled battery is a self-contained, high-density electrical energy source created by a process in which biological viruses assemble inorganic molecules into predetermined structures. The process, conceived and developed by engineers at Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), involves the manipulation of the genes in a common laboratory virus. This gives rise to organisms that can produce arrangements of molecules capable of functioning as electronic components, particularly sources of direct current ( DC ).

    Virus-assembled battery technology is in the early research-and-development phase. Working devices at the consumer level have not been produced although the future of the technology looks promising according to its engineers.

    Advantages of the use of biological viruses to “grow” battery materials may include:

    * Precise placement of component molecules.
    * Rapid production of usable material.
    * Evolution of new and inexpensive manufacturing methods.
    * Production of structures that can store more energy than conventional batteries.

    Potential applications of virus-assembly technology include:

    * Power supplies for nanoscale systems.
    * Tiny, high-energy batteries laminated to liquid-crystal displays ( LCD s) and microelectronic devices.
    * Inexpensive, efficient photovoltaic cell s.
    * New processes for manufacturing transistor s, integrated circuit s and other semiconductor devices.

  8. george
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    Maybe Kansas can have an obesity tax like the one proposed in NY. There is no end to taxes as states look for adding revenue. I wonder what they did with their tobacco tax windfall?

    http://www.timesunion.com/ASPStories/storyprint.asp?StoryID=750267

  9. annie_moose
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    Sol u out there? Check this guy out..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATub40Npxik

  10. donndublin
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    I just read this on the Drudge report.

    “Methane, the next most potent greenhouse gas, suddenly is on the rise again and scientists fear that vast amounts of the trapped gas will escape from thawing Arctic permafrost.”

    If this is true, then how can man stop it?

  11. Pleefer
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    donndublin,

    A “fart tax” seems in order.

    It’s already proposed in ranching and the little farmers and ranchers won’t be able to pay it. So the small farmer will go away.

    Who needs em anyway?

  12. Pleefer
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    http://www.fa-rm.org/blog/2008/12/epa-tyranny-cow-fart-tax-coming-your.html

  13. donndublin
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    Pleefer.

    Here’s the answer.

    Kangaroos will save the world
    by maggie

    According to Australian scientists, kangaroos could be the answer to global warming, reports Medindia.com. Kangaroo farts contain virtually no methane, a greenhouse gas 20 times more potent that CO2. Obviously, bacteria in kangaroos’ stomachs makes the digestive process much more efficient and could potentially save millions of dollars in feed costs for farmers. If we can transfer the kangaroo bacteria to cattle and sheep, it may be the answer to global warming.

    “Fourteen percent of emissions from all sources in Australia is from enteric methane from cattle and sheep,” said Athol Klieve, a senior research scientist with the Queensland state government.

    “Not only would they (cattle and sheep) not produce the methane, they would actually get something like 10 to 15 percent more energy out of the feed they are eating.”

    This is great news. I only hope it also works for human flatulence.

  14. Heckler
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    “The on-site investigation revealed an ignitable accelerant that had been poured on and around the exterior of the church in multiple locations, to include the entrances and exits.”

    http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/ATF-Joins-Church-Arson-Investigation/story.aspx?guid=%7B3CD432C8-0AC2-44C8-90A7-288F55A7FD14%7D

    Where’s KFG?

  15. donndublin
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    Cos, alone produces more greenhouse gasses than all the livestock in Kansas.

  16. Posted December 15, 2008 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    Sol u out there? Check this guy out..

    The kid is HOT !!! Reminds me a bit of joe satriani. Thanx for that. Wow. Talent !!!

  17. donndublin
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    The AGW debate continues.

    http://www.aim.org/aim-column/media-promote-global-warming-fraud/

  18. donndublin
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    Let’s see what cos has to refute this.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/2555345/The-Fraud-of-Global-Warming

  19. Boxlock20
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    This whole AGW hysteria is simply a conspired away for governments to extract more tax from us peasants.
    And we follow along like dumb sheep.
    If you think the taxes don’t filter down to the consumer you are dumb sheep.

  20. Posted December 15, 2008 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    And we some follow along like dumb sheep.

  21. FilmFan
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    First of all, I wish to buttress SamKan’s post above. The Lord’s Diner serves wonderful meals. In fact, they are very tasty, nutritious and well-balanced meals that will satisfy the most discerning palate (i.e., Big Bertha here). God bless all the staff, volunteers and patrons of this wonderful blessing for truly living Christ’s message of hope – 365 days a year.

    Secondly, it’s probably difficult if not impossible to imagine Jesus dragging non-heterosexuals to lonely posts and beating ‘em to death. Or depriving them of their livelihoods. Or calling ‘em vile names. That leads me to my original thought for my post today…..

    Yesterday, I saw a wonderful film (”Milk”) at the 13th Avenue Warren Theatre. Candidly, I probably wouldn’t have ventured from the warm confines of my apartment on a cold wintry evening were it not for two words: “Sean” and “Penn.”

    Five years ago, I saw Penn exude a truly miraculous performance in “Mystic River” – a riveting, singular effort that rightly won him the Oscar several months later.

    Now, aided by Peter Travers’s four-star review in the 11/27/08 issue of “Rolling Stone” magazine, I decided to see the mega-talented actor’s latest feat. And I’m glad I did.

    Because it did my substantially-hardened heart some good (just as “Bella” did 13 months ago).

    A decade ago, I experienced what might be termed a spiritual awakening regarding gay and lesbian persons. If it is truly not a “choice” but an innate facet of one’s humanity… if it is not a learned response but a dynamic that cannot be changed, then some of my earlier attitudes were inexcusable, in my view. The murder of Matthew Shepard in October 1998 certainly reinforced my convictions. However…….

    Unfortunately, the ensuing years brought some disillusion. One’s sexual orientation probably cannot be changed – in many cases – but one’s actions can and should be governed. Engaging in acts which in my opinion are vile, harmful (as in potentially death-dealing), exploitative and tantamount to rape probably shouldn’t be encouraged.

    I have another concern which will not be addressed here. If one’s orientation isn’t a choice, then my concern isn’t applicable (i.e., workable) for everyone. They are innate for me as a lifelong heterosexual; they propelled the late Pope John Paul II as he authored “Love and Responsibility.” But neither the late pontiff nor I have all the answers for every human person.

    Therefore, I viewed “Milk” without the starry-eyed idealism common to many spiritual converts. But of this much I was sure: Sean Penn would deliver a sterling performance – and he did. In fact, he’s actually rather extraordinary.

    Infusing the character of Harvey Milk (the first openly gay man to be voted into office in America) with compassion, humanity, complexity, vulnerability, and palpable charm and intelligence, Penn won me over.

    No, I’m still not the same person I was a decade ago. I’m not trying to be. But I still believe in the innate human-ness of every person. Moreover, I cannot help but ponder the following: If the teeming throngs had told me, decades ago, that “these feelins you got for them men are depraved! Ya gotta git cured of ‘em!” I probably would have jumped (or driven off) a cliff.

    Try to change my heterosexuality, and ya got a thankless task. ‘Cause it ain’t possible. The object of my febrile fascination wasn’t worthy, to be sure. I needed moral clarity and compassion, but not some prurient pi$$hole asking me change my orientation. Couldn’t have happened – not even with a gun to my head. Trying to FORCE it to happen would have done me in. Bluntly, what f–king good would THAT have done?

    These convictions certainly informed my enjoyment of “Milk.” Yes, there were elements that induced discomfiture. (No, this film isn’t graphic. I mean, come on now – I’ve seen more manifest tonsil hockey at a church picnic.) But I dealt with it. I didn’t enjoy it. I wasn’t blithe about it. But I grew very fond of Harvey Milk as a human person. Because he deserved it.

    More proof of the complexity of my views could be this: The skin crawling and projectile vomit I had to keep at bay when archival footage of Anita Bryant opening her yap invaded the screen. With every starched hair in place on her bouffant-ed mug, with the serene knowingness of the serenely all-knowing, with the thinly veiled hatred poking through her purported “love” of “homo-sex-you-owls” – she was a distasteful character.

    Tellingly, it wasn’t certain acts she condemned; she spoke nothing of the enoblement of the human person. Nope – she wanted to “fire all them gays and layz-beans from their jobs.” I’m not a stupid woman, and I’m not buying it. Moreover, the woman just simply turns me off. Even if I were a Sapphic sonnet, she’d still turn me off.

    The saga of Harvey Milk had a tragic ending (I won’t give it away here). The closing scenes of this evocative film are resonant. With Penn’s superior skill and nuance, Milk is revealed for who he was: a complex, compassionate man with faults and attributes like the rest of us. Not only that, he was rather remarkable in many ways. (Don’t believe me? Get a load of the scene in which he counsels a suicidal teen. I’d like to see the pearley-white “Anita the Hun” pull that one off.)

    Who has all the answers to this thought-provoking, relevant subject? I don’t have all of them; suffice it to say I am influenced by the best of both views: The most compassionate and erudite voices of my former church – and the legacy of Harvey Milk, who sought to make a better world for so many.

    If you’re an adult who’s searching for a heartrending movie that will make you think deeply, give “Milk” a view. You’ll be glad you did.

  22. annie_moose
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    For those of us that work alone a little back ground inspirational music

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-4J5j74VPw

  23. RP_McMurphy
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    FilmFan, that’s a bit long for us loonies….
    Not the movie, your review.
    Just had to skip the middle part sorry.

  24. Posted December 15, 2008 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    For those of us that work alone

    Blue Tooth headphones ;~>

  25. lindainks55
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    annie_moose, Thanks! That impressive performance of Ravel’s Bolero was very enjoyable! Gave me goosebumps!

    FilmFan — I appreciated the review. I plan to see that movie. I liked this sentence you wrote: “Milk is revealed for who he was: a complex, compassionate man with faults and attributes like the rest of us.” ;-)

  26. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    “FilmFan” –

    I haven’t seen “Milk” yet, but you’re on-target with your Sean Penn assessment.

    Even if it was about fluffy bunnies and kittens, watching Sean Penn work is like watching Picasso paint.

    You Netflix subscribers should go back and put a few of Penn’s films in your queue. You can almost do it at random.

    From Jeff Spicoli in “Fast Times at Ridgemont High,” to Christopher Walken’s son in “At Close Range” to Matthew Poncelet to Dalton Lee to Smuel J. Bick to Jimmy Markum to Harvey Milk, the guy is guaranteed to give you your money’s worth.

    CONs don’t like his politics and somehow that shapes their disregard for this incredibly talented actor’s body of work.

  27. StevenEDavis
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    Man, that dude was serious about his feelings for George W. Bush.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/14/AR2008121401170.html?hpid=artslot

  28. annie_moose
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    For the the public figures out there that have been screwing us little people

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3-poY3e9UU

    may this happen to you

  29. RoaCH
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    By extension, would this apply to dealers selling ditch weed?

    The Supreme Court ruled Monday that smokers could sue tobacco makers for fraudulent advertising claims over light-branded cigarettes, Reuters reported.

    By a 5-4 vote, the justices ruled against Altria Group Inc’s Philip Morris USA unit and held the Federal Cigarette Labeling and Advertising Act does not bar or preempt such state court lawsuits

  30. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    The Bolero link was nice, but it’s a truncated version.

    When I was in high school I attended KU’s music camp and Larry John Brown conducted an orchestra of really talented kids. I was a percussionist — tympani, mostly — but had to play 2nd snare drum for Bolero.

    dat-daddle-a-dut-daddle-a-diddle-a-diddle-a-dut-diddle-a-diddle-a-diddle-a-diddle-a-dit…. for fifteen solid minutes!

    You shouldn’t subject teenagers to Bolero. Our loins were already aching and I had a thing going with the oboe player. (I wonder whatever happened to Sherry Smoll from Wichita? But I digress…)

    Leonard Bernsstein’s “You Peoples’ Concerts” from the 50s and 60s showed up on my Netflix queue recently and one of the early shows featured Ravel’s Bolero.

    The NY Philharmonic Orchestra had 106 musicians back then and the absolutely kicked ass under Lenny’s direction. Even the relatively poor audio quality of those 1950s broadcasts can’t interfere with the brilliance of the music and the performances.

    Bolero IS sex!

    I always wondered how many people didn’t get the joke in the movie “10″ when Bo Derek kept getting out of bed to restart Bolero after Dudley Moore botched making love with her.

    Sex, drugs, and rock & roll has a special place in my heart. But there’s nothing sexier than classical music, drugs optional.

  31. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    “Young People’s Concerts,” of course.

  32. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    Although ” You People’s Concerts” probably would have suited Lenny just fine, given the era of Radical Chic and all.

    LOL.

  33. lindainks55
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk,

    I consider the privilege of reading you a gift. Thank you. You do string words together in a very entertaining way!

  34. Monique_J
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    Boxlock,
    Thank you so much for the beautiful Merry Christmas video. It should remind us all of how blessed we truly are. Merry Christmas to you!

  35. Monique_J
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    Boxlock,
    Thank you so much for the beautiful Merry Christmas video. It should remind us all of how blessed we truly are. Merry Christmas to you!

  36. okobserver
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Annie thanks for the link. What great music! I have a friend in Georgia whose husband was a concert pianist. We trade links back and forth. I have sent her this one. She will love it.

  37. okobserver
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    Box thanks so much for the Christmas video. The best I have seen. It puts our petty squabbles where they should be and allows us to really appreciate how really blessed we are to be living in America.

  38. annie_moose
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    okobserver,
    Your welcome and thank you for being a most worthy adversary in our debates. Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas

    annie

  39. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    “lindainks55″ —

    Thanks for the cyber-flowers.

    I like reading your stuff, too.

  40. Rage
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    Now who didn’t see this coming?:

    Iraqis Hail Journalist Who Threw Shoes at Bush as a Hero
    Street Demonstrations Call for Muntadar al-Zaidi’s Release

    BAGHDAD, Dec. 15 — Iraqis demonstrated in the streets Monday demanding the release of the journalist who hurled two shoes at President Bush during a press conference on Sunday, as Arabs across the Middle East hailed Bush’s assailant as a hero who reflected their anger at American policies.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/15/AR2008121500161.html?sid=ST2008121500046&s_pos=list

  41. Regular
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    The reporter is lucky the secret service didn’t put a well-aimed hole in his head.

  42. RoaCH
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    All this THANKS and warm posts of appreciation.

    Did all weblog posters get visited by three spirits last night?

    Baa-humbug.

    “You may be an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of an underdone potato. There’s more of gravy than grave about you, whatever you are.”

  43. Posted December 15, 2008 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    Monkey — I can relate to your feeling…. I played in High School band with Sherry Smoll…. IIRC she was band secretary….

    Ahhh, those were the days!!

  44. Phantom
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    Pair of shoes, couple thousand dinar; Bush’s expression, priceless!

  45. Phantom
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    The jounalist ’shoe bomber’ will probably get sent to gitmo.

  46. Phantom
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    Looks like Iraq, has their own Joe the plumber, populist hero. Might propel him into the presidency.

  47. Posted December 15, 2008 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    Here ya go Monkey >>>>

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5pkkAhETYg

  48. ANTI
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    I don’t care if you like Bush or not, you have got to give him this:

    The sumbitch has cat like reflexes when it comes to dodging shoes!! It was like he was like, “Hey mo-fo, is that all you got? he heah.., next question”

  49. ANTI
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    And who throws a shoe? Honestly?

  50. Posted December 15, 2008 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    Some husbands get lots of practice ducking from flying shoes…. :-)

  51. ANTI
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Good point Chas, good point…..I have forgotten due to head trauma via shoe…

  52. RoaCH
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    You must understand eastern orientalism’s to understand throwing a shoe.

    The shoe, or bottom of one’s shoe is lower than whale shit to middle easterners. Worst than crap from the crapper. Muslim thing or more likely geographical thing.

    Remember the Iraqi’s hitting Saddam’s tumbled statue with their shoes?

  53. RoaCH
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    Any minister could tell you that.

  54. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    “Chas” –

    Thanks for the link to a medley of Mary Hopkins’ hit.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5pkkAhETYg

    Small world, huh?

  55. DavidB
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    “And who throws a shoe?” So much for cultural awareness of a country we decided to friggin’ OWN.

  56. Phantom
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Toyota came out with a statement “Without a bailout chaos will follow”, must be that supplier base thing.

  57. Phantom
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    The guy is going to be a worldwide hero!
    “New Yorkers copy Iraqi shoe-throwing protest.At least a handful of New Yorkers have spontaneously begun to copy the actions of the Iraqi journalist who threw his shoes at U.S. President George W. Bush as an insult by throwing old pairs of their own shoes up into neighborhood trees and telephone poles in a way that their soles are plainly visible to passersby.

    “We know a good symbolic act when we see one,” said one shoe thrower heaving a pair into a tree in New York City’s Union Square Park, historically the scene of populist union marches and demonstrations. “We’ve actually been searching for a strong symbol to show our disdain for the acts of President Bush in starting this war in Iraq, and this seems to foot the bill.”

    City officials report that what appeared to be newly-thrown shoes began to appear late last night and early this morning in several spots in the city’s Upper West Side and Greenwich Village neighborhoods, as well as in the burrough of Brooklyn in Park Slope and Brooklyn Heights neighborhoods. Throwing shoes at someone is the worst possible insult in the Arab word, according to sources.

  58. Phantom
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    The shoe thing is catching on, I’ve a feeling bush is going to be bobbing and weaving for the next month or so.

  59. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    donndublin posted December 15, 2008 at 10:12 am

    The AGW debate continues.
    ——————–
    Poor donndublin cannot understand the IPCC’s use of “(name(s), date)” thruout their reports, to refer to the scientific papers listed in the “references” at the end of each chapter.

    Are “references” just too complicated for you, donndublin?

    donndublin posted December 15, 2008 at 10:20 am

    Let’s see what cos has to refute this.
    ———————
    Ernst-Georg Beck? LOL!

    More Nonsense about CO2
    http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006/10/more_nonsense_about_co2.php

    Milankovitch?

    Chapter 6 Palaeoclimate
    http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
    (And note the “References” at the end of the chapter)

  60. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    donndublin posted December 15, 2008 at 9:09 am

    I just read this on the Drudge report.

    “Methane, the next most potent greenhouse gas, suddenly is on the rise again and scientists fear that vast amounts of the trapped gas will escape from thawing Arctic permafrost.”

    If this is true, then how can man stop it?
    ———————-
    Reduce our emission of GHG’s, which is causing the rapid warming of the upper Northern latitudes, and causing the permafrost to thaw.

    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.B.lrg.gif

  61. ANTI
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    So much for cultural awareness of a country we decided to friggin’ OWN.
    =============

    David, you are a candy ass. Seek help.

  62. Phantom
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    “The Shoe Heard Around the World!”

  63. ANTI
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Do some of this David, get some perspective.

    http://www.pizdaus.com/pics/7FxBGDAW5aFN.jpg

  64. ANTI
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Back to work, I’ll chat with you fellas’(?) later!

  65. Posted December 15, 2008 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Sarah Palin’s home church in Wasilla, Alaska got severely burned over the weekend, and there is a good chance this was arson. The media hardly blinked at the story—could you imagine what the response would have been if Barack Obama’s church was burned? The response should be one of outrage—however, when it’s those evil hatemongering religious zealot conservatives who are the victim then it seems to be no big deal in the media’s eyes.

    http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/19292/

  66. Phantom
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Palin’s church got burned down, hmmm, maybe the should be looking for a claven of witches! Or, maybe her ex brother-in-law got a little payback, or maybe the jilted boyfriend.

  67. Phantom
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    Or, maybe Sarah’s just trying to keep her name in the news.

  68. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    C’mon, “SolDevVB” –

    The fire at Sarah Palin’s home church got plenty of coverage.

    In fact, if it had been any other church in the world it wouldn’t have made any dent in any media.

    For you to whine –

    “…could you imagine what the response would have been if Barack Obama’s church was burned?” is patently absurd.

    Yeah, it might have been a bigger story since
    1.) Obama won the election, and
    B.) Palin didn’t, and
    III.) all the CONs said he wasn’t a “real Christian” (so where is his church? And
    d.) it didn’t happen, so all we’ve got is “imagine what” from you silly CONs.

    A truck jack-knifed on slick roads just outside of town this morning.

    But “imagine if Michele Obama had been the truck driver! The Mainstream Media would cover it up!”

    You CONs reek of flop sweat.

  69. Phantom
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    Hey, America, let’s do it Sen. Roberts way and not lend 12 bil. to gm! Repubs are so penney wise, and pound foolish.
    “NEW YORK (Reuters) – The U.S. government may need to lend General Motors Corp (GM.N) around $30 billion to help the automaker operate through a bankruptcy, or risk a systemic chain of failures in the auto industry, Bank of America said.

  70. Phantom
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    If Rev. Wright’s church burned, that’d be the talk of the day!

  71. Posted December 15, 2008 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    Remember when Bush said that the Iraqis would throw flowers and candy at us in gratitude for liberating their country?

    Someone should have checked to see if that guy’s thrown shoes had flowers in them . . .

  72. donndublin
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    Cos,

    The IPCC is a political body with an agenda of global domination.
    Why is China and India exempt from the Kyoto protocol?

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/03/05/MNG18OFHF21.DTL&type=printable

  73. ANTI
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    emember when Bush said that the Iraqis would throw flowers and candy at us in gratitude for liberating their country?
    ============

    No I don’t, when was that exactly?

  74. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    donndublin posted December 15, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    The IPCC is a political body with an agenda of global domination.
    ————————-

    The IPCC was formed in 1988. How did the IPCC control the development of the AGW theory, which happened BEFORE 1988.
    http://www.aip.org/history/climate/timeline.htm

    donndublin: Why is China and India exempt from the Kyoto protocol?
    ————————-

    1) Policy is not science.

    2) CO2 has a average lifetime of a century or more in the atmosphere. The U.S. is responsible for much more CO2 in the atmosphere than China.
    http://www.wri.org/publication/content/7811

  75. donndublin
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    Since China is now the leading CO2 producer, wouldn’t you think they should be included since we are talking about the future climate? That argument makes no since.

  76. donndublin
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    I never said the IPCC developed the AGW theory. However, the AGW alarmists like Algore and you worship at their altar.

  77. Posted December 15, 2008 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    Global domination!! Bwahhaahaahaahaa!!!!

    A vivid imagination!

  78. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    donndublin posted December 15, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    I never said the IPCC developed the AGW theory.
    ————————-
    Do you have a reading disability?

    The IPCC was formed in 1988. How did the IPCC control the development of the AGW theory, which happened BEFORE 1988.
    http://www.aip.org/history/climate/timeline.htm

    donndublin: “However, the AGW alarmists like Algore and you worship at their altar.”
    ————————

    Actually, the IPCC’s reports are conservative, and a few years out of date.

    And it’s a shame that you cannot understand the very obviou9s difference between scientific methodology and “religion”.

  79. Posted December 15, 2008 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is a scientific intergovernmental body and is tasked to evaluate the risk of climate change caused by human activity.

    It wields no “powers”.

    It publishes reports.

    How can they “Dominate the Globe” with scientific papers?

    Silly.

  80. Posted December 15, 2008 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    The reporter was beaten by the guards….

  81. Posted December 15, 2008 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    His family called his cellphone, it was answered by guards who threatened the family

  82. donndublin
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    #
    DavidB
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is a scientific intergovernmental body and is tasked to evaluate the risk of climate change caused by human activity.

    It wields no “powers”.

    It publishes reports.

    How can they “Dominate the Globe” with scientific papers?

    Silly.
    ___________________________________________________

    They are a propaganda tool of the UN.

  83. Posted December 15, 2008 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    donny boy, why dont you try posting something that has truth in it, instead of your junk??

  84. Posted December 15, 2008 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    Looks like the John Birchers have found new life lately…. Too bad they are half century late… LOL

  85. Posted December 15, 2008 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    I dont have time to waste here for now… later y’all!!

  86. fleettwood
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    Copy copy copy
    Paste paste paste
    Insult “Do you have a reading disability?”
    Fap fap fap
    Bill rules!

  87. parkay
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    A coalition of dozens of pro-abortion groups has issued a 55-page memorandum dictating how Obamanation should act to eradicate restrictions on taxpayer-funded abortions, to speed up the global genocidal slaughter, far exceeding Hitler’s dreams of reducing racial impurities in the world population.
    See Obamanation’s slaughterhouse roadmap memo page
    http://otrans.3cdn.net/3b21d35e246c18a427_d7m6bw2o1.pdf

  88. Regular
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    Area Families Take Part in the Snowball Express

    Date: December 15, 2008
    Contact: Valerie Wise, Air Service & Business Development Manager
    E-mail: VWise@wichita.gov
    Phone: (316) 946-4700

    Download these documents:

    * Snowball Express Press Kit

    Children of fallen military heroes to be treated to Disneyland

    Snowball Express is a non-profit organization that provides hope and new memories for the children of fallen military heroes who have died since September 11, 2001, while serving in all branches of the U.S. military. On Tuesday, Dec. 16, two area families will be leaving Wichita Mid-Continent Airport on American Airlines at 6:30 a.m. to Dallas. In Dallas, they will join other families from across the nation and fly to Disneyland in Orange County, California.

    These families will be treated to Universal Studios Hollywood, Disneyland and other celebrations and activities in the Anaheim area. The families will return on Saturday, Dec. 20.

    The media is invited to Mid-Continent Airport on Tuesday, Dec. 16 to cover the departing flight. Please meet at the Information Desk no later than 5:30 a.m. to be escorted to gate 5. A fact sheet about the 2008 Snowball Express Event and a schedule of events is attached.

  89. parkay
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    Washington, DC pro-lifers called police after learning that a mother forced her 13-year-old girl into a secret Planned Parenthood abortion, to protect the mother’s boyfriend, who had raped the child. The frightened girl would not testify about the crimes against her, however, and will likely be subject to further rapes and abuses.
    - – -

    Missouri taxpayers are suffering the consequences of their cloning amendment, as $21 million in taxpayer funds are being diverted from successful ethical research into useless, unethical research exploiting human embryos.
    - – -

    When Congress approves spending your tax money on useless, unethical embryonic stem cell research, diverting funds from the ongoing yearly successes in ethical adult stem cell research, some of the money will surely find its way into the exploitation of cash-strapped women selling their eggs, a risky and painful procedure.
    - – -

    The British Department of Health is attempting to cover up the number of abortions committed because of disability found in the baby, particularly the viable babies killed because of correctable conditions such as club foot and cleft palate. The information commissioner is demanding that the numbers be included in a new report.
    Wichita’s criminal abortionist quack Tiller needs far less excuse than a club foot or cleft palate to kill a viable baby. All he needs is cash in advance, since state laws are not enforced in Kansas abortion mills.

  90. Regular
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    2010 Cultural Funding Grants Available

    Date: December 15, 2008
    Contact: Bernadette Bradshaw
    E-mail: BBradshaw@wichita.gov
    Phone: (316) 462-2787, ext. 797

    Documents available for download:

    * 2010 Operational Grants Cultural Funding Application (Word)
    * 2010 Operational Grants Cultural Funding Application (PDF)

    Informational Workshops to be Held for Interested Organizations

    The 2010 City of Wichita Cultural Funding Grant Application is now available to all non-profit arts and cultural organizations. Applications may be picked up at the office of the Division of Arts and Cultural Services at 334 N. Mead on the Old Town Plaza. Interested parties may also access them online at http://www.wichita.gov.

    This is the fifth year that the City Council has set aside funds to be made available to arts and cultural organizations in Wichita. The City provides operational support grants to all arts and cultural organizations which are a 501(C) (3) non-profit, in the City of Wichita. A step-by-step list of instructions is included to make the process simple and consistent for all applicants. Last year the city awarded 33 organizations operational support grants that totaled over $1,000,000.

    Informational workshops will be held for interested organizations 11:30 a.m. – 12:30 p.m. Friday, January 9, 2008 and 9:00 a.m.-10:00 a.m. Saturday, January 10, 2008. These workshops will be held at the Division of Arts and Cultural Services offices in the CityArts building, Room 204, located at 334 N. Mead, Wichita, KS.

    For more information or to request a hard copy of the application, please contact Bernadette Bradshaw at CityArts at 462-2787, ext.797.

  91. Posted December 15, 2008 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    Next thing you know, they’ll want to fluoridate our water, polluting our precious bodily fluids and essence with their commie poisons.

    It’s all in the secret version of the Slaughterhouse memo! whahahahahha!

    All part of the plan to dominate the globe and end tooth decay !

  92. outlander
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    Parkey: Our congregation regularly prays that God may give wisdom to our national leaders.

    Hopefully, He will touch Obama’s heart and provide him wisdom so that he can recognize the horror of abortion and the national shame it brings.

    To put it in perspective, since the Iraq war began, over 4,000 of our military were killed. But in our country, over 4,000,000 children were aborted.

  93. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    More about Sen. Inhofe (R-Oil), who outlander insists is honest and credible.

    ‘Inhofe’s 650 “Dissenters” (Make That 649… 648…)’
    http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/environmentandenergy/archive/2008/12/15/inhofe-s-650-quot-dissenters-quot-make-that-649-648.aspx

  94. Posted December 15, 2008 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    Your prayer is granted! The Obama has plans to support families and to make abortion rates decrease.

    For instance:

    Obama has been a consistent champion of reproductive choice and will make preserving a women’s right to choose under Roe v. Wade a priority as president. Obama also supports expanded access to contraception, health information and preventive services to reduce unintended pregnancies.

    Obama will work to reduce unintended pregnancy by guaranteeing equity in contraceptive coverage, providing sex education, and offering rape victims accurate information about emergency contraception.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Barack_Obama_Abortion.htm

  95. parkay
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    Diedre Harman was sentenced in McPherson County, KS Court Monday to probation for abandoning her baby in a garbage bin in May, since the so-called prosecution dropped child endangerment charges in a disgusting plea bargain. The infant was rescued while still alive, and with luck will hopefully never be in the clutches of the mother again.

  96. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    More about Sen. Inhofe’s (R-Oil) list, who outlander insists is honest and credible.

    http://650list.blogspot.com/

  97. Predestined
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

    His family called his cellphone, it was answered by guards who threatened the family

    Democracy at work…

  98. janeeyre
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    A little after 5:30pm, Chas posted that the Birchers have found new life. That reminded me of my one experience with Birchers in the early 1960’s. Three of us decided to attend a Birch Society meeting just to see if they were all as looney as we thought they were. There were 2 incidents to prove our point:
    1. An older gentleman very exictedly told the
    gathering that he had recently been shown a KKK membership card that some guy in a bar had. He seemed to be hoping that soon there would be many more folks around town joining up in the white sheet & pointy hat brigade.

    2. One of the people attending the meeting said the following: “I know we are against floridation of our water supply but I forget why.”

    Don’t you just love that educated thinking process!

  99. JimJohnson
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    Man Arrested for Throwing Sandwich at Girlfriend
    Monday, December 15, 2008

    PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. — Police say a Port St. Lucie man was arrested for throwing a sandwich at his girlfriend, the second food attack that sent a man to jail in about a month.

    According to a police report released Monday, 20-year-old Matthew Rubin threw the sandwich at his girlfriend’s face during an argument. Rubin then hit the top of her head with his first before taking off.

    Rubin admitted to throwing the food but not hitting her. He was arrested Friday and faces a battery charge.

    Last month, another man was arrested on a battery charge for hitting his girlfriend with a sandwich, knocking her glasses off and nearly causing a traffic crash.

    Police reports did not what type of sandwich was used in either attack.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,467147,00.html

    What types of sandwiches should we BAN now?

    Double Quarter Pounders and anything else weighing more then ¼ pound?

    Multiple patty sandwiches which can smack someone with more than one patty with one pull of the sandwich throwing trigger?

    Any sandwich with cheese, designed to cut through body armor?

    Kop Killer Sandwiches?

    Only single patty sandwiches should be allowed.

    And we need background checks, licenses, and registration for those who buy sandwiches.

    And you should only be allowed to buy one sandwich per month, and you should be required to have a permit to do that!

  100. JimJohnson
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    It’s those damn sandwiches that are the problem.

    We need to ban sandwiches.

    If people didn’t have sandwiches, we would all be much safer!

  101. JimJohnson
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    British Prison Bans Crucifix From New Chapel to Avoid Offending Muslim Inmates
    Monday, December 15, 2008

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,467306,00.html

    New ban is in accordances with Obama’s wishes that we not allow Christianity anywhere.

  102. Phantom
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    Well captain, maybe the journalist had some gum stuck to his shoe, so bush has once again been vindicated!

  103. Phantom
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    Looked like the S.S. that’s supposed to take a bullet for the idiot, wouldn’t even risk getting hit by the second shoe!

  104. JimJohnson
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    Peru Seizes Three Tons of Cocaine From Shipment of Manure
    Monday, December 15, 2008

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,467307,00.html

    And the real headline should be:

    SPANISH SHIT SHORTAGE! SHIT BEING IMPORTED FROM PERU!

    Obama should travel to Spain to solve their problem.

  105. DavidB
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    LOL, the author cited above, Laurence Hecht, is an activist in the LaRouche Movement, who hold, among other things, that the British Royal family controls most of the world’s illegal drug traffic.

    He’s an authority on global warming now? Anything to make a buck.

    Hecht had a bank account seized seized to” fulfill a judgment related to $260,000 obtained from an 88-year old man suffering from demantia under misrepresentations,” in a “fund-raising” scheme by the LaRouchees.

    See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRouche_Movement

    Say, you should join! Just yer kinda group…

  106. Political_mama
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    Parkay leaves out that the mother in McPHerson county went OFF HER MEDICATIONS for bipolar disorder because she didn’t want an abortion, had a long history of mental illness, and was trying to work on getting back on her meds when she did that act. She is the poster child for Parkay’s wanted policies. But don’t confuse him with the facts. Remember that you pro-lifers who take meds for mental health reasons *which should be all of the fundy freaks*. Your own people will cheer if you try to do what they want you to do- birth that baby then they can throw you in jail for your sacrifice.

    Idiot.

    Why aren’t your DC people calling for the arrest of the mother who was protecting her boyfriend? No link, go figure. You can’t trust anything Parkay posts, its always skewed.

    THe horror of illegal abortions is far far far worse and deadly to born people.

  107. Political_mama
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    JimJones now that one I agree with. A prison chapel is a chapel for ALL religions. There should be all or none policy on what can be represented there.

  108. JimJohnson
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    Pmoma,

    Sounds like YOU are off YOUR meds.

    Please take a pill.

  109. Political_mama
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

    JimJones, if you’d read the rest of that story, the man damaged property and was acting quite hostile and beligerent. He was out of control and needed to be arrested. Throwing ANYTHING in that manner should be arrested for battery.

  110. JimJohnson
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

    Ok Pmoma, now that you agree with me, your meds are a-o-k.

  111. DavidB
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    LOL, Obama’s transition team is so good, they have time to dictate decor of British prisons!! EXCELLLLLENT! whahahahhahah!!!!!

    But since a Christian cross is still part of the multi-cultural prayer and reflection area how is this anti-Christian? Oh. It’s not. Another misrepresentation by Jay Jay. Awwww, damn. He never fails to disappoint….

  112. JimJohnson
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    Political_mama
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 8:02 pm | Permalink
    JimJones, if you’d read the rest of that story, the man damaged property and was acting quite hostile and beligerent. He was out of control and needed to be arrested. Throwing ANYTHING in that manner should be arrested for battery.
    ———————–

    Ok, now I disagree with you again as usual.

    It wasn’t the sandwich throwing that was the problem, it was the fist he used to hit her on the head afterward that was the real problem.

    But let’s ban sandwiches just to be safe.

  113. JimJohnson
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

    Goodnite everyone, and have sweet dreams of Hope.
    Each day going forward will be even more glorious then the last!

    Obama will soon build his own kingdom, right here on Earth!

    I am so inspired and filled with optimism at the hope the future now brings.

    Everynight before I go to sleep, I read this. Obama inspires me oh so much!

    “I should like to help everyone if possible; Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, black men, white, red, and yellow. We all want to help one another. Human beings are like that. We want to live by each others’ happiness, not by each other’s misery. We don’t want to hate and despise one another. In this world there is room for everyone. And the good earth is rich and can provide for everyone. The way of life can be free and beautiful, but we have lost the way.

    Greed has poisoned men’s souls; has barricaded the world with hate; we live in misery and bloodshed. We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in. Industry that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge as made us cynical; our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than wealth we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. Modern communications and technology have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in man; cries out for universal brotherhood; for the unity of us all.

    Even now my voice is reaching millions throughout the world, millions of despairing men, women, and little children, victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people. To those who can hear me, I say “Do not despair.” The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed, the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress. The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish.

    Soldiers! Don’t fight for slavery! Fight for liberty! In the seventeenth chapter of St. Luke, it’s written “the kingdom of God is within man”, not one man nor a group of men, but in all men!

    In you! You, the people, have the power, the power to create prosperity, the power to create happiness! You, the people, have the power to make this life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure. Then in the name of democracy, let us use that power.

    Let us all unite. Let us fight for a new world, a decent world that will give men and women a chance to work, that will give youth a future and old age a security. By the promise of these things, brutes have risen to power. But they lie!

    They do not fulfill their promise. They never will! Evil rulers free themselves but they enslave the people! Now let us fight to fulfill that promise! Let us fight to free the world! To do away with national barriers! To do away with greed, with hate and intolerance! Let us fight for a world of reason, a world where science and progress will lead to all men’s happiness.

    Citizens of the world, in the name of democracy, let us all unite!

    People can you hear me? Wherever you are, look up! The clouds are lifting! The sun is breaking through! We are coming out of the darkness into the light! We are coming into a new world; a kind new world, where men and women will rise above their hate, their greed, and brutality. Look up!

    The soul of mankind has been given wings and at last he is beginning to fly. He is flying into the rainbow. Into the light of hope! Into the future! The glorious future! That belongs to you, to me, and to all of us. Look up, everyone! Look up!”

    PS Anyone ever bothered to find the source to this?

  114. DavidB
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    This is like the Zapruder film of the Kennedy assasination:
    http://www.ihasaids.com/upload/data/1229313488.gif

    Was there a second shoe thrower on the grassy knoll????

  115. Political_mama
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/warren-county/index.ssf?/base/news-0/122923112231930.xml&coll=3

    Seriously f’d up parents. Poor kids.

  116. JimJohnson
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    Boxlock,

    VERY

    VERY

    VERY

    NICE POST AT 7:02 AM.

    Thanks.

    And Merry Christmas EVERYONE!

  117. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    ANTI posted December 15, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    And who throws a shoe? Honestly?
    —————

    More about shoes.

    ‘Bush shoe-ing worst Arab insult’
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7783325.stm

  118. Posted December 15, 2008 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    Happy Chanaukkah and Mubarak Eid to you too, Jim.

  119. Boxlock20
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    UAW Was ‘Solely’ to Blame for Collapse of Auto Industry Bailout Negotiations, Says Sen. Coburn
    Monday, December 15, 2008
    By Josiah Ryan, Staff Writer

    http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=40775

    The United Auto Workers (UAW) union is “solely” to blame for the collapse of negotiations on a $14-billion auto bailout deal that stalled in the Senate Thursday, Sen. Tom Colburn (R-Okla.) told CNSNews.com on Friday.

    “As far as the failure of last night, it solely lies on UAW,” Coburn told CNSNews.com. “All we asked was, ‘Just give us a date at which you will have competitive wage rates. We will put it in and that’s what you will have to meet.’ They would not move. They would not renegotiate their contract with GM as far as wage rates.”

    Dan Griswold, director of the Center for Trade Policy Studies at the free market Cato Institute, told CNSNews.com on Friday that the UAW is, in part, to blame.

    “UAW contracts have played a big role in pulling automakers into the crisis they now face,” said Griswold. “Those contracts are the single biggest difference between domestic and foreign-owned competitors operating on U.S. soil.”

    Griswold also said that it was the UAW’s “adversarial attitude” in the bailout negotiations that caused the talks to collapse.

    In Thursday’s Senate vote, three Democrats sided with 31 Republicans in opposing the bailout.

  120. BlueJay
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    “They would not move. They would not renegotiate their contract with GM as far as wage rates.”

    GOOD for them. No give backs.

    Hit the management and stockholders.

  121. BlueJay
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    “All we asked was, ‘Just give us a date at which you will have competitive wage rates.”

    Gosh that’s ALL they asked for?

    Nah, that’s just where the demands START.

    Give an inch and NEXT the cons will want to ask them to be “competetive” with illegal aliens or Chinese slave labor.

  122. Boxlock20
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    “Give an inch and NEXT the cons will want to ask them to be “competetive” with illegal aliens or Chinese slave labor.”

    You mean like the rest of us folks that work for a living.
    The UAW stinks, and the harm they have done is simply coming home. Wages/benefit packages must, and will, come down to reality or the companies will not survive….and that’s the way it is.
    It’s a global economy and they must compete with the companies of the world.
    UAW, get competitive or die, just like the auto companies must get competitive or die.

  123. BlueJay
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    They won’t back down.

    And they don’t HAVE to.

    The era of “greed is good” is coming to an end. You cons are free, of course to own the failure of the American auto industry.

  124. outlander
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Good thing for union workers that their leadership will prove to be more realistic than you.

  125. BlueJay
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Good thing for America that not everyone is a suck up little toady like outlander or bawks.

  126. outlander
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Oooo, nice comeback BlueJay. If that’s the best you got, no reason to stick around. I’m out.

  127. BlueJay
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    Like me, you live in Kansas out.

    So, I get that you do not understand what it is to be a committed member of a union. I understand how it is that you have never fought for anyone or anything but yourself. That IS where we live and to a great extent, the culture we have made.

    A committed member of a labor union must seem very hard for you to understand.

    It’s about caring about those who have gone before. It’s about standing up not just for yourself, but for others around you. It is about defending the dignity of work. Even to the extent that you are willing to suffer for it.

    In a way, I am very sorry for you that you do not understand that.

  128. Regular
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    Junior wishes he had a union job. He had his chance, but tried to cheat his employer so got fired.

    Shows a lot about his character, a cheater, a classic under achieving putz.

  129. Boxlock20
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    “‘Rigorous Oversight’

    U.S. May Give Car Czar Power to Force Bankruptcy, Levin Says
    By John Hughes, Bloomburg

    “Of course there will be conditions to any taxpayer financing,” Fratto said. “There will be rigorous oversight to make sure that these companies are doing what they promised to do, and we want to make sure that everyone is making the concessions that they’re going to have to commit to make.”

    Blowjay blows:
    “I understand how it is that you have never fought for anyone or anything but yourself.”

    But BlowJay hasn’t got what it take to fight for himself. He needs to hide behind a union, except I don’t think even they would take him.

    Remember last summer, he stole a $1.50 bag of top soil and bragged about his great heist.

    Pathetic!

  130. BlueJay
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    Well James, I didn’t get fired. I quit.

    And I’ll take your other insults. Coming as they are from a parasite stealing government resources from more needy people.

  131. Regular
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, you quit before you were fired.

  132. BlueJay
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    “And I’ll take your other insults. Coming as they are from a parasite stealing government resources from more needy people.”

  133. BlueJay
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    “we want to make sure that everyone is making the concessions that they’re going to have to commit to make.”

    YOU have likely never made anything or worked an honest day in your life bawks.

    You’re the penultimate bully. You derive satisfaction from the suffering of others who are better than you and have done you no harm.

  134. BlueJay
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    “But BlowJay hasn’t got what it take to fight for himself.”

    YOU had the opportunity to tell that to me in person.

    Ya punked out.

    What does that make you?

  135. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 11:23 pm | Permalink

    Boxlock’s link — it is NOT just a union issue.

    ‘U.S. May Give Car Czar Power to Force Bankruptcy, Levin Says’
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=azwJTERWg9tI&refer=home
    “It was too soon to speculate on what terms might be required of the companies or unions if the government provided aid, Paulson said.”

  136. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    Hey Boxlock20!

    Did the UAW wage issue also cause Toyota’s recent losses?

  137. BlueJay
    Posted December 16, 2008 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    It’s 12 o’clock forward thinking Americans.

    And another day closer to victory.

  138. Posted December 16, 2008 at 2:06 am | Permalink

    good night; good luck; god bless —-
    whatever you conceive god to be!!

    blessings ALL!!

    may all who are so negative to helping others, and those who call charity to all socialism, be blessed with waatching or reading “A Christmas Carol,” and be changed by the spirit of Christmas, as was Ebenezer Scrooge…

    may we all hear the words of tiny tim: and may god bless us every one!!

    so mote it be!

  139. Boxlock20
    Posted December 16, 2008 at 6:53 am | Permalink

    “You’re the penultimate bully. You derive satisfaction from the suffering of others who are better than you and have done you no harm.”

    No BlowJay, you derive satisfaction from seeing successful self-achievers hurt in someway, you are a jealous, envious person, plain and simple.

    and
    “But BlowJay hasn’t got what it take to fight for himself.”
    YOU had the opportunity to tell that to me in person.
    Ya punked out.
    What does that make you?”

    I didn’t ‘punk out’ BlowJay, I intentionally decided to take you to school, showed you to be the childish idiot you are, and that makes me your teacher, ha. Pay attention and don’t waste my time anymore.

  140. Boxlock20
    Posted December 16, 2008 at 7:02 am | Permalink

    “Did the UAW wage issue also cause Toyota’s recent losses?”

    Hey cosmos, in case you missed it….Toyota isn’t asking the government and hence the taxpayer for a bailout, ya dummy.

    Economies and company’s go through business cycles, this is a bad one, the UAW along with American auto management have have done poorly in taking measures to weather those cycles and now it’s time to pay the piper. It’s not time for the taxpayer to have to bail them out, especially if the UAW won’t make concessions.

    Oh, and not only do economies and businesses cycle, so do climates. Ya need to learn that as well.

  141. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted December 16, 2008 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    “parkay
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 6:59 pm”

    Just goes to show why straight people should not be allowed to marry and/or have children.

  142. beber
    Posted December 16, 2008 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    Like your parents, chicken lady?

  143. BlueJay
    Posted December 16, 2008 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    “and that makes me your teacher,”

    I DID learn.

    That you and your side aint got it when it comes to standing face to face to make your case.

    The battles YOU have so much stake in? I have no more skin in the game than you do. But YOU convince me that I must fight them and such as you.

    Here’s to victory!

  144. Boxlock20
    Posted December 16, 2008 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    And you got the lesson wrong again. You should have learned to grow up and not make asinine challenges to meet in parking lots. You crack me up with your dense hotheadedness.

    Some people, like you BlowJay, are like a Slinky…not really good for anything, but one still can’t but smile when they watch them get shoved down the stairs of life.

  145. BlueJay
    Posted December 16, 2008 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    I look good to the people I respect bawks.

    And a FEW of the people you respect will still claim you. I’m comfy there.

    Anybody that would see YOU as the victor is not worth reaching.

    Oh? And time and the weight of events is on my side. You and yours will lose.

    Your retreat was just the first of many.

    Yellowstain.

  146. BlueJay
    Posted December 16, 2008 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    I’m not into shoving people down stairs Bawks.

    You revealed alot about yourself with that little slip.

    Word up? Every single person you have ever stepped on on your way up to wherever it is you are?

    And I am sure there have been many.

    They all have a bullseye on your back.

    I will enjoy watching you and yours lose and fail and die.

  147. Boxlock20
    Posted December 17, 2008 at 8:04 am | Permalink

    Dream on BlowJay, dream on.
    You are so lacking in your own self-respect you have to create images of me in your head to make yourself feel better. You know nothing about me or my life, my family, friends or customers.
    I don’t disdain folks down on their fortunes, so to speak, at all. I do hold in disdain people like you that choose to be there and then criticize and bring down others that have a good work ethic and initiative that have attained some measure of success.
    You are a bitter, jealous person that I actually feel a measure of sorrow about because you are so obviously miserable and take it out on anyone not in the same situation. But that sorrow in me is tempered by your lack of desire to ever improve yourself, but instead rely on government or unions to give you what you want, usually by taking it from those that rightfully earn it themselves.
    You are a sorry individual BJ, and a slave to your hate and envy. Just sorry.

  148. BlueJay
    Posted December 17, 2008 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    And yet ya keep coming look for me bawks.

    Heh.

    Roll over!

    Play dead.

  149. Boxlock20
    Posted December 17, 2008 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    Takes two to play BJ, your keep coming looking for me also. Now what does that tell ya?

  150. Boxlock20
    Posted December 17, 2008 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    “I’m not into shoving people down stairs Bawks.
    You revealed alot[sic] about yourself with that little slip.”

    Figurative statement, not literal or physical. Rhetorical, meant for reflection.
    The ’stairs of life’, as in climbing them as we all should be about BJ. You choose to be the kind of person who either falls down those stairs on their own, or get pushed because you are so obnoxious.
    How many times have you been fire or let go BJ?