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The cold December full moon is currently scheduled for two more days on Friday … so get ready.
Operation Holiday is struggling to meet the increasing needs this winter.. Please consider a small sacrifice to give to others in need.
http://www.ifmnet.org/index.php/programs/p/operation_holiday/
Since I’m up wayyy too early, and Maggotpunk seems to be sleeping in (or working early) today, I offer, without comment, some of the latest disturbing scientific observations:
Global Warming Aided By Drought, Deforestation Link
ScienceDaily (Dec. 9, 2008) — In the rainforests of equatorial Asia, a link between drought and deforestation is fueling global warming, finds an international study that includes a UC Irvine scientist.
The study, analyzing six years of climate and fire observations from satellites, shows that in dry years, the practice of using fire to clear forests and remove organic soil increases substantially, releasing huge amounts of climate-warming carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
In 2006, the climate on the fast-developing islands of Borneo and Sumatra and in New Guinea and other parts of equatorial Asia was three times drier than in 2000, but carbon emissions from deforestation were 30 times greater – exceeding emissions from fossil fuel burning.
More here:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081208180339.htm
American International Group faces $10 bln in losses on speculative trades, reports WSJ
Troubled insurer American International Group Inc. (AIG: News ) is facing $10 billion in losses on trades, reported the Wall Street Journal. The company reportedly owes this money to Wall Street’s biggest firms for speculative trades that turned bad. The losses total less than $10 billion of the company’s $71.6 billion exposure to derivative contracts on debt pools called collateralized debt obligations as of September 30.
http://www.rttnews.com/ArticleView.aspx?Id=798078
Meanwhile…
AIG Says More Managers Get Retention Payouts Topping $4 Million
Dec. 9 (Bloomberg) — American International Group Inc., the insurer whose bonuses and perks are under fire from U.S. lawmakers, offered cash awards to another 38 executives in a retention program with payments of as much as $4 million.
The incentives range from $92,500 to $4 million for employees earning salaries between $160,000 and $1 million, Chief Executive Officer Edward Liddy said in a letter dated Dec. 5 to Representative Elijah Cummings. The New York-based insurer had previously disclosed that 130 managers would get the awards and that one executive would get $3 million.
AIG, which received a U.S. rescue package of more than $152 billion, has been criticized for saying it will eliminate bonuses for senior executives while still planning to hand out “cash awards” that double or triple the salaries of some managers. The payments are designed to keep top employees at AIG while Liddy seeks to sell units and pay back the federal government, which owns 79.9 percent of AIG.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aKIvmgvNl6zA&refer=us
Yup, if you make a lot of money then you deserve a bonus for running a failed company. However, if you make middle class wages, or less, and your bosses aren’t doing so well then people whine about how your $15 an hour pay is too much.
Notice how Republicans continue whining about “class war”. The white collar company comes asking for $700 billion and they get it, no questions asked. The blue collar industry comes asking for a $25 billion loan, which they plan to pay back, and they are criticized and the white collar media whines about how the employees are paid too much. Never heard any whining about the seven figure salaries of CEOs being criticized. But thank goodness we can protect a few thousand white collar jobs because when millions of blue collar jobs are at stake the Republicans don’t care.
“Operation Holiday is struggling to meet the increasing needs this winter.. Please consider a small sacrifice to give to others in need.
http://www.ifmnet.org/index.php/programs/p/operation_holiday/”
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Goodness! Greatest President EVER George W Bush has already taken care of the poor, the helpless, the homeless. Didn’t you get the memo?
No need to give to charity boys and girls…President Bush has solved all those problems along with his fellow crooks…I mean Republicans.
Please consider a small sacrifice to give to others in need.
Or not, because you’re only helping drug addicts and loafers on welfare. /sarcasmOFF
My point being, or perhaps my question: Why are the same people in need immediately evil and lazy when government becomes involved? Why not ask Sam directly how he would feel if all government assistance to the poor was ended, now?
I honestly don’t know what he will (would?) say, but I have an idea.
I suspect it’s the “please consider” part. We all like things to be voluntary–me too. But that’s not at all the reasoning (if it can be called that) I’ve been seeing here.
And it still doesn’t really explain this allergic reaction to helping those who have fallen off the cliff.
In short, absent specific, detailed objections (and we all have those), why would you give money to Sam, but not to Uncle Sam? Do you really think private charities can–or should–do it all?
Those who have the preloaded canard about “government doesn’t work” may simply respond with (1). :)
“scheduled for two more days on Friday …”
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Just wondering…………
“This is a sad day for government, it’s a very sad day for Illinois government.” said U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald. He continued, “Gov. Blagojevich a dirty democrat, has taken us to a truly new low. Gov. Blagojevich has been arrested in the middle of what we can only describe as a political corruption crime spree.”
Has anyone considered that governor just wanted the money so he could give it to those poor workers at ‘Republic Windows and Doors’ in Chicago?
Give the democrat governor the benefit of the doubt, wouldja?
Morning. Good to see the sun!
Has anyone seen the moral compass?
It seems to be missing. I thought the democrats had it last……
Expanded Investigation
Rangel is under an ethics investigation
WASHINGTON (CNN) — The House Ethics Committee announced Tuesday it is expanding its investigation into Democrat Rep. Charles Rangel.
In a statement the committee said, “…the investigative subcommittee shall have the additional jurisdiction to determine if Representative Rangel violated the Code of Official Conduct or any law, rule, regulation, or other standard of conduct….with respect to contributions of money or pledges of contributions of money to the Charles B. Rangel Center for Public Service at the City College of New York from any person or entity associate with Nabors Industries.”
Recent press reports have raised questions into Rangel’s support of a tax break for Nabors Industries, a company which donated money to the City College academic center building bearing his name.
Rangel is already under investigation for using official letterhead to solicit funds for that same building, along with using a rent controlled apartment in New York for his political committee and for failing to pay taxes on a resort home the congressman owns in the Dominican Republic.
A congressional source tells CNN the expanded investigation does not include the matter of Rangel steering $80,000 to his son to design his campaign Web site.” CNN
I was surprised to see a columnist in “Salon” magazine with a lot of common sense. Her article is too broad ranging to say I agree with everything in it, but there is a lot that I do. A few nuggets:
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Dec. 10, 2008 | Roads and bridges! What joy. Last week’s announcement by President-elect Barack Obama of his massive public works initiative to stimulate the economy won loud applause from me. Not only does the decaying U.S. infrastructure need emergency attention but construction commissions will be far more substantive and enduring than the half-mythical 5 million “green” jobs that Obama was airily promising before the election.
But then I gulped when Obama also pledged educational reform by putting state-of-the-art computers in every classroom. Groan. Computers alone will never solve the educational crisis in this country: They are tools and facilitators, not primary conveyors of knowledge. Packing his team with shiny Harvard retreads, Obama missed a golden opportunity to link his public works project with a national revalorization of the trades. Practical training in hands-on vocational skills is desperately needed in this country, where liberal arts education has become a soggy boondoggle, obscenely expensive and diluted by propaganda and groupthink.
…..Meanwhile, an area where too many in the mainstream media have been oddly AWOL is in the response to the attack on Mumbai, India, two weeks ago by a squad of Pakistan-based terrorists, who killed nearly 200 people. Reaction in the U.S. was somewhat muted because the protracted standoff occurred over the Thanksgiving holiday, when many Americans were traveling or absorbed in family business. But I was troubled by a persistent soft-pedaling of the identification of the attackers as Muslims –as if the mere reporting of that fact would be offensive and politically incorrect.
….. Meanwhile, Sarah Palin’s rehabilitation has been well launched. Step by step over the past five weeks since the election, headlines about Palin in the mainstream media and some Web news sites have become more neutral and even laudatory, signifying that a shift toward reality is already at hand. My confidence about Palin’s political future continues, as does my disgust at the provincial snobbery and amoral trashing of her reputation by the media and liberal elite, along with some conservative insiders.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2008/12/10/hillary_mumbai/index1.html
Grrrrrrrr….
Somehow I was logged out of here, and when I tried to log in again, the form to do it was missing from the log in page.
Thanks to whomever fixed the glitch!
Good article Outlander.
While I find I often agree with Camille Paglia (the author of outie’s above quotes), when it comes to Sarah Palin, I start to yawn. She’s become an irrelevance that does nothing but take up space in the news to fill a blank space. Kind of like her vp nomination.
(Now aren’t you sorry I was able to log back in? hee hee)
Thanks to whomever fixed the glitch!
Heh, they were actually working on the login system. I sat out for a day and watched (and noticed, with amusement, the appearance of “fleettwood2).” :)
Wallll, it weren’t exactly intermittent, Mr. J., but all’s well that ends well!
I agreed mainly with the need for trades education and the idiocy of political correctness.
Would the idiocy of political correctness include flag worship, allegiance pledging, and supporting the troops?
I know you are tired of reading about it, but I think it is wrong for an organization which clearly suppports one political party over the other to receive federal funds to do so.
“Posted December 8, 2008 5:32 PM
by Frank James
If you thought the Republican war against ACORN ended on Election Day passed, you would be wrong. Very wrong.
House Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio is demanding that the Housing and Urban Development Department withhold $17.2 million in funding from the controversial group which Republicans accused of voter fraud on behalf of Democrats, including President-elect Barack Obama, during the presidential campaign. ACORN also fell under suspicion because of financial wrongdoing and mismanagement, including an embezzlement it didn’t report.
Worth nothing In Boehner’s press release, in which he urges HUD not to give ACORN the funds until congressional hearings occur, is Boehner’s implication of ACORN, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in much of the financial and economic meltdown.
It’s a theory of the cause of the problem that’s not accepted by most reputable experts on the crisis. But it has become an article of faith among many conservatives that ACORN and the government sponsored entities brought down the global economy by pushing for mortgages to low-income home buyers who couldn’t afford them.
An excerpt from Boehner’s press release:
“ACORN is not an organization that should be subsidized by taxpayers’ hard-earned money,” Boehner wrote. “ACORN, which for years has been closely connected with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, appears to have played a key role in the irresponsible schemes that led to the recent financial meltdown that has already cost Americans trillions of dollars in the form of government bailouts and lost retirement savings. Congress has not yet held investigatory hearings to examine the details of ACORN’s involvement in these schemes. Until credible oversight hearings are conducted and completed in a manner that clears ACORN of wrongdoing, the organization should not receive taxpayer money.”
beber
Posted December 10, 2008 at 9:16 am | Permalink
Would the idiocy of political correctness include flag worship, allegiance pledging, and supporting the troops?
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Yes, if your fear of offending someone overpowers your beliefs.
UN Blowback: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims
POZNAN, Poland – The UN global warming conference currently underway in Poland is about to face a serious challenge from over 650 dissenting scientists from around the globe who are criticizing the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore. Set for release this week, a newly updated U.S. Senate Minority Report features the dissenting voices of over 650 international scientists, many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN. The report has added about 250 scientists (and growing) in 2008 to the over 400 scientists who spoke out in 2007. The over 650 dissenting scientists are more than 12 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.
The U.S. Senate report is the latest evidence of the growing groundswell of scientific opposition rising to challenge the UN and Gore.
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=2158072e-802a-23ad-45f0-274616db87e6
ALSO . . . . Director of Northeast Intelligence Network, Doug Hagmann talks about global terrorism and how it may end up at your doorstep. What should you do if ‘Mumbai’ comes to Your Mall? How can you protect yourslef from terrorists? Who really is the enemy and why iaren’t western governments telling their citizens the truth? Hagmann shares his knowlege with you, and states that the USA should back Israel in any way Israel deems is best for fighting the terrorist Muslim regimes. A 2 hour special. Part 1
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/Player.htm#0#364 – part 1
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/Player.htm#0#363 – part 2
“Meanwhile, Sarah Palin’s rehabilitation has been well launched. Step by step over the past five weeks since the election, headlines about Palin in the mainstream media and some Web news sites have become more neutral and even laudatory,”
You kidding right?
The bit where Palin was in front of a guy brutally slaughtering a turkey, she calls it “fun”, and this writer thinks her image is rehabilitated?
Hey more power to her and you!
The bit where Palin was in front of a guy brutally slaughtering a turkey, she calls it “fun”, and this writer thinks her image is rehabilitated?
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I take it you’re a vegetarian?
If you train for the trades, the jobs and manufacturers will come!
Should they also be trained in a second language so they can emmigrate and use their new skills?
Looks like Obama is one of the “Untouchables”! Poor Repubs won’t get any traction, try as they might.
It’s good for Obama to get an early lesson, these people can not be worked with.
“The bit where Palin was in front of a guy brutally slaughtering a turkey, she calls it “fun”, and this writer thinks her image is rehabilitated?”
What is apparant is her stupidity…why would you let the media set up an interview with that going on in the background if you weren’t totally clueless? It was obviously intentional on their part. She hasn’t any idea how to deal with the media and they play her for the fool she is everytime.
“It’s good for Obama to get an early lesson, these people can not be worked with.”
I’VE been saying that forever. I hope Obama is beginning to get it. RUN OVER the damned cons. Pave ‘em over.
I hope Obama is beginning to get it. RUN OVER the damned cons. Pave ‘em over.
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Ain’t gonna happen.
I thought the guy standing behind Sarah looked like he didn’t know if it was a good time to remove the turkey head or not.
“It was obviously intentional on their part.”
Maybe. But Palin was perfectly ok with it. She knew it would endear her to her blood and guts base. And she was right. Thing is? She is SO stupid that she does not know that outside of her base is where about 80% of people live.
Looks like the committee checking into the TARP is going to be very critical of the non-oversight in dispensing the first 350 bil., I hope congress doesn’t release the other half until we get competent people in the administration.
“The incentives range from $92,500 to $4 million for employees earning salaries between $160,000 and $1 million, Chief Executive Officer Edward Liddy said in a letter dated Dec. 5 to Representative Elijah Cummings. The New York-based insurer had previously disclosed that 130 managers would get the awards and that one executive would get $3 million.”
This cannot be squared with the view that “the unseen hand of the marketplace efficiently sets prices.”
What it proves is that big corporations are creating moral hazards in which they make money whether the deals are good or bad. The power players create the rules and then they benefit from them.
The only thing big enough to stop them is a big government.
>In short, absent specific, detailed objections (and we all have those), why would you give money to Sam, but not to Uncle Sam? Do you really think private charities can–or should–do it all?<
The economic reality is that every week there are more and more people on the edge and in desperate need of help. If we allow them to fail because of lack of basic necessities like food, they then become a burden on the taxpayer. We attempt to do everything we do without any government assistance, but our dollars only go so far. The larger agencies such as Interfaith have many more resources to help more people.. that is why I also support their cause. But, even they run out of resources at some point, and as much as I dislike government programs, at that point they become necessary. I have seen people in the lines that I see at work, they are not jobless, they are not addicts or bums. They are your neighbors and mine.
“The only thing big enough to stop them is a big government.”
Be careful what you ask for. You might get it.
These are the evil “rich” you are depending upon to survive under the Obama tax plan.
cosmo copies, pastes, bores us to tears then explodes in 3…2…1
“POZNAN, Poland – The UN global warming conference currently underway in Poland is about to face a serious challenge from over 650 dissenting scientists from around the globe who are criticizing the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore.”
“and former Vice President Al Gore”
Oh no! Will Al have to give back his diploma, the medal and prize amount to the King of Norway?
That might be as embarrassing as claiming to have invented the internet.
Sam, none of us is perfect (I’m certainly not), but you are a man of integrity. I might be the “wrong” person to say that (heh), but I suspect that that view would be a rare moment of quintpartisan agreement on this blog.
If you are still a conservative Republican, well, I can only say that people like you are their “path out of the wilderness.”
“conservative Republican”
Isn’t that an oxymoron or maybe even a wooden iron?
Well…. I am wondering how many more times the SCOTUS is going to have to deny hearing the “birth certificate” conspiracy, before the wing nuts will get the picture??
Either these conspiracy nuts are truly STUPID, or they are intentionally trying to obstruct the Presidency… I do hope they will have massive legal expenses from their “efforts”
ANTI posted December 10, 2008 at 9:23 am
UN Blowback: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims
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fleettwood posted December 10, 2008 at 10:50 am
cosmo copies, pastes, bores us to tears then explodes in 3…2…1
“POZNAN, Poland – The UN global warming conference currently underway in Poland is about to face a serious challenge from over 650 dissenting scientists
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Actually, Sen Inhofe’s (R-Oil) pet weasel, who was formerly Rush Limbaugh’s ‘Man in Washington’, just added more BS to his earlier bogus list of 400.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Marc_Morano
But it is fun watching you prove that you’re stupid enough to believe that Morano is a credible source of climate science.
“I am wondering how many more times the SCOTUS is going to have to deny hearing the “birth certificate” conspiracy, before the wing nuts will get the picture??”
When did they rule on the “birth certificate”?
“But it is fun watching you prove that you’re stupid enough to believe that Morano is a credible source of climate science.”
KABOOM!!
Thinking about buying the little lady a collectors item for XMAS this year.
Can’t make up my mind between Chili Pepper Red or Evening Blue?
http://www.saturn.com/saturn/vehicles/sky/colors.jsp
Red, hands down.
‘Give the gift of Asthma and a Warmer Planet this Christmas‘
http://www.desmogblog.com/accce-clean-coal-carolers
Which Red? The Ruby Red or the Chili Pepper?
The Ruby looks pretty sharp too.
I like the Chili Pepper, but either is acceptable.
:)
http://debunking.pbwiki.com/Inhofe
From The Agitator – Damn those drug users !!
Good for Colbert King. The Washington Post columnist won’t let the 2004 case of Jonathan Magbie go away. Magbie was a 27-year-old quadriplegic sentenced by Washington, D.C. Superior Court Jduge Juditch E. Retchin to 10 days in jail for marijuana possession. It was Magbie’s first offense. Retchin was well aware of Magbie’s condition, that he needed a ventilator to breathe, and that D.C.’s jails weren’t equipped to handle him. Even prosecutors in the case asked her not to send him to jail. She did anyway. Once he was admitted, the jail’s assistant medical director called Retchin, and begged her to allow Magbie to be sent to a hospital instead. She refused. Magbie soon fell into respiratory distress, and was sent to an emergency room. An incompetent doctor then sent him right back to the jail, where he died hours later.
King describes Magbie’s last moments:
Magbie’s last night at the D.C. jail could be likened to a night in Guantanamo: He was confined in a room with no means to communicate. Conditions worsened when he was returned [from] the hospital. Carbon dioxide was building up in his bloodstream because, without a ventilator, he wasn’t breathing deeply enough.
Magbie, fatigued from fighting to stay alive, drew smaller and smaller breaths and his heart finally gave out.
Last week, Magbie’s mother settled her lawsuit with the city for a “substantial” amount of money.
Judge Retchin is still serving on the D.C. Superior Court. This case should be her legacy.
Cosmos, do you have your thought screen helmet on?
http://www.stopabductions.com/
All the repub whining about the few dollars an hour more that the american auto company worker makes more than a worker in the ‘transplant’, but little whining about the 27 mil. paid to gm ceo as opposed to his toyota ceo counterpart that earns a million.
But somehow American ceo’s earn what the market prices?
Obama’s calling for the Illinois Gov. to resign. 0 tolerance! How refreshing.
“But somehow American ceo’s earn what the market prices?”
Well they did, until the government intervened.
If it’s a Global market, they should be worth no more than their successful Asian counterparts.
Logically, someone would think to ask how the dirty democrat governor got the NAME of the candidate President elect Obama WANTED to fill his senate seat.
Shouldn’t that question be asked? At least asked?
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“One of the candidates mentioned often is referred to as Senate Candidate 1.
This candidate is a female, an adviser to Obama and said to be the president-elect’s top choice for the Senate seat. Blagojevich allegedly says he knows the president-elect prefers this candidate but adds, “They’re not willing to give me anything except appreciation.”
This candidate could be Valerie Jarrett, because she’s the only female who was an adviser to Obama mentioned as a possibility for the seat and who dropped out of the running.” CNN
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“Obama said he had no contact with the governor or his office about the Senate seat. “I was not aware of what was happening,” he added.” FOX
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“I am not a crook.”
“There must be no whitewash at the White House.”
“One year of Watergate is enough.”
“How much money do you need?” Nixon asked. John Dean: “I would say these people are going to cost a million dollars over the next two years.” Nixon: “We could get that … you could get a million dollars. And you could get it in cash. I, I know where it could be gotten–” Dean: “Uh-uh.” Nixon: “I mean, it’s not easy but it could be done.”
“I want you all to stonewall it, let them plead the Fifth Amendment, cover-up, or anything else, if it’ll save it, save the plan.”
“I’ll pardon the bastards.”
“Let me just say this, and I want to say this to the television audience: I made my mistakes, but in all of my years of public life, I have never profited, never profited from public service – I have earned every cent. And in all of my years of public life, I have never obstructed justice. And I think, too, that I could say that in my years of public life, that I welcome this kind of examination, because people have got to know whether or not their President is a crook. Well, I am not a crook. I have earned everything I have got.”
- Richard Nixon
What did Obama know?
And when did he know it?
“he’s already impacting the markets, nice Obama rally going on……”
8 really, really scary predictions
Dow 4,000. Food shortages. A bubble in Treasury notes. Fortune spoke to eight of the market’s sharpest thinkers and what they had to say about the future is frightening.
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/fortune/0812/gallery.market_gurus.fortune/index.html
8 really, really scary predictions
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Yeah, but it will be dirt cheap to fill up my boat!
debunking cosmos – Thermometer
debunking SolDevVB — science and data.
Hmmmmmmmm. Steadily declining temperatures since 1998. That science and data thing cosmos. Or do you just keep the data that aligns with your farce? Have you looked at a thermometer recently?
OH !!! I get it. You believe the IPCC liars. That’s right. Your bad.
NOAA: Coolest Winter Since 2001 for U.S., Globe
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20080313_coolest.html
NASA Extinguishes
Global-Warming Fire
By Patrick Michaels
The Cato Institute
2-9-2
It really happened.
The NASA scientist who lit the bonfire of the global warming vanities with his flamboyant congressional testimony 14 years ago, has turned the hose on its dying embers.
There is now no reason for the Bush administration to give an inch on climate change. Sure, energy efficient technologies (like my Honda hybrid) are worth exploring. But there is absolutely no scientific reason for any expensive policy like the Kyoto Protocol on global warming. Mr. Bush led the world by being the first to walk away from Kyoto, and science has proven him correct.
NASA’s James Hansen now predicts precisely the same, small amount of warming in the next 50 years that the much-derided “climate skeptics” predicted all along. According to both the skeptics and Mr. Hansen, the planet is destined for a mere 0.7 degree Centigrade (1.25 degree Fahrenheit) warming between now and 2050. It’s a good thing “W” listened to those skeptics before he decided on Kyoto. If he had waited for NASA, he might have committed the United States down the road to an unwarranted economic disaster for no good reason.
How did Mr. Hansen, once the darling of the green apocalyptics, come to adopt the scientific position they detest? Nature compelled, and NASA disposed.
The “skeptics” have argued, beginning in congressional testimony in 1989, that warming was likely to be the aforementioned low value because it had been so modest in previous decades, despite major changes in atmospheric carbon dioxide and methane, the two principal “greenhouse” gases.
The skeptics’ (the strange name we give to those who think the planet is OK) logic was simple: Nature had declared, despite the protestations of climate modelers and other tax-consumers, just how sensitive the Earth’s surface temperature was to changes in global- warming gases. The answer: not very.
Climate models, such as those run by NASA, initially assumed that the sensitivity was much larger than it was in reality, and, consequently, those models predicted more warming than had occurred in reality. When this became embarrassingly obvious even to the non- “skeptics,” my colleagues, ever-eager to keep the gravy train rolling, argued that some other compound, called sulfate aerosol, must be “hiding” the warming.
That one didn’t wash for several reasons, not the least of which is that warming might even be the net effect of those human dust emissions. This was first noted way back in 1980 by other NASA scientists. But that finding was of little consequence until Mr. Hansen resurrected it in a paper published in 1997.
If nothing is “blocking” the warming, then the climate isn’t as sensitive as the climate modelers had assumed. In addition, the climate modelers in general predicted that greenhouse gases themselves were piling up in the atmosphere much faster than they were. Atmospheric physics dictates that warming will damp off unless the gases go into the atmosphere in ever-increasing, exponential fashion.
Mr. Hansen slowly threw in the towel. After noting in 1997 that sulfates might actually cause little (if any) cooling (a position the “skeptics” had long held), he noted, in a 1999 paper, that greenhouse gases weren’t increasing so rapidly after all (another fact the “skeptics” had been noting for years). Finally, in two papers in 2000 and 2001, he argued that all of the uncertainty about the planet’s true sensitivity to warming dictated that we listen to nature, after all.
So, in his last paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Mr. Hansen and Makiko Sato wrote, “We predict an additional warming in the next 50 years of 3/4 plus or minus 1/4 degree Centigrade [1.35 plus or minus 0.5 degree Fahrenheit]” , which sounds an awful lot like page 210 of “The Satanic Gases,” which I authored two years earlier with Robert Balling: “The Earth’s average surface temperature will warm 0.65 to 0.75 degrees Centigrade (1.17 degrees to 1.35 degrees Fahrenheit) by 2050.” The only difference is that we have been using virtually the same number since Mr. Hansen’s 1988 testimony.
Where are the reporters? Somewhere between Enron and September 11, you would think that the death of global warming would merit a feature or two unless, of course, it’s the kind of news that they don’t want you to hear.
We can only eagerly await the upcoming congressional hearings on Mr. Bush’s vs. Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle’s energy plans. The former wants oil from Alaska, and the latter wants to restrict combustion because of global warming. Perhaps Mr. Hansen could be called to testify alongside the skeptics.
In all fairness, Mr. Hansen still calls for emissions reductions. That position seems remarkably illogical, except that it is likely to keep him from being stoned by the greens, who feel increasingly betrayed by their once-apocalyptic hero, the man who hosed down global warming. ___
Patrick J. Michaels is senior fellow in environmental studies at the Cato Institute and author of “The Satanic Gases.”
I love those that post links but fail to read all of the link they posted. It shows you skim read.
—NOAA said this too…in your link…
‘The combined global land and ocean surface temperature was the 16th warmest on record for the December 2007-February 2008 period (0.58°F/0.32°C above the 20th century mean of 53.8°F/12.1°C). The presence of a moderate-to-strong La Niña contributed to an average temperature that was the coolest since the La Niña episode of 2000-2001. ‘
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0.58°F/0.32°C above the 20th century mean of 53.8°F/12.1°C
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FFFFUUUUUUUCCCCKKK!!!!! We’re all gonna die!!!!
Now now ANTI…we will all be safe if we start listening to us environmental types…good to see you come around.:)
THE SKY IS FFFAAAALLLLIIINNNGGG ! ! ! GRAB YOUR CAN-GOODS AND RRRUUUNNN TO THE BASEMENT
LOL…right on…I guess those numbers don’t seem to bad…but many think even that small is.
So then… why is the NOAA’s own headline…
NOAA: Coolest Winter Since 2001 for U.S., Globe
Seems to me, we are cooling off, not warming up. Think ole Hansen agrees…
SolDevVB posted December 10, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Hmmmmmmmm. Steadily declining temperatures since 1998. That science and data thing cosmos. Or do you just keep the data that aligns with your farce? Have you looked at a thermometer recently?
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The AGW theory predicted more/faster warming at the upper Northern latitudes, because land warms faster than oceans, and there’s more land at the upper Northern latitudes.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.B.lrg.gif
First off read beyond the headline…
Second so it has not been this cool since 2001…so the last 7 years…wow that is so disproves something. I don’t know what but I am sure something is disproved by that. :)
Cosmos states a 30 year warming trend.
The last 1/4 of that trend has been cooling.
I don’t see an catastrophic warming trend.
1/4-1/3 of the ‘trend’=cooling
Sorry but cooling? Hmmm. not sure how that is happing. Climate has cycles but overall I would say the trend is to the warm side.
SolDevVB posted December 10, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Seems to me, we are cooling off, not warming up. Think ole Hansen agrees…
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Nope! Unlike Sol, Hansen understands ENSO and other climate factors.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/
“The year 2007 tied for second warmest in the period of instrumental data, behind the record warmth of 2005, in the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) analysis. 2007 tied 1998, which had leapt a remarkable 0.2°C above the prior record with the help of the “El Niño of the century”. The unusual warmth in 2007 is noteworthy because it occurs at a time when solar irradiance is at a minimum and the equatorial Pacific Ocean is in the cool phase of its natural El Niño-La Niña cycle.
Figure 1 shows 2007 temperature anomalies relative to the 1951-1980 base period mean. The global mean temperature anomaly, 0.57°C (about 1°F) warmer than the 1951-1980 mean, continues the strong warming trend of the past thirty years that has been confidently attributed to the effect of increasing human-made greenhouse gases (GHGs) (Hansen et al. 2007). The eight warmest years in the GISS record have all occurred since 1998, and the 14 warmest years in the record have all occurred since 1990.”
‘NOAA: Second Warmest October for Global Temperatures‘
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20081118_octobertemps.html
“Separately, the global land surface temperature was 50.72 degrees F — 2.02 degrees F above the 20th century mean of 48.7 degrees F, ranking as the warmest October on record.”
Second Warmest October for Global Temperatures
Until of course we find out they transposed the numbers wrong. Again.
ANTI posted December 10, 2008 at 2:58 pm
I don’t see an catastrophic warming trend.
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Who said the warming trend since the mid-1970’s is “catastrophic”?
Some of the issues are, the warming:
* is mostly caused by our added GHG’s.
* will continue, because the thermal inertia of the oceans is delaying it, and aerosols temporarily block it.
* will trigger natural positive feedbacks that will amplify the AGW.
Who said the warming trend since the mid-1970’s is “catastrophic”?
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Al Gore, he made a movie about it.
About that down trending temperature…
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/ALLSINCE2002NOV.jpg
I think cosmos has gone past his tipping point.
Regular
Posted December 10, 2008 at 3:45 pm | Permalink
I think cosmos has gone past his tipping point.
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Oh, I think he has been tippin’ a plenty.
Scafetta and West (2008) attribute more than two-thirds of the warming of the past 50 years to solar activity – the latest in a series of papers in all parts of the scientific literature that explicitly question the exaggerated estimates of climate sensitivity`perpetrated by the IPCC. Chameides’ final, desperate point is that the “green diamonds” he has so carefully selected from the 5-year running-mean graph that he has equally carefully blotted out show continuously-rising temperatures that overlay what he calls the short-term cooling.
Not so. As the first graph above shows, the linear regression not just for the past five years but for the past seven years shows a decisive and continuing cooling. Keenlyside et al. (2008) do not expect a new record year for global temperature to occur until at least 2015. If they are right, then the IPCC’s climate-sensitivity estimates must be – as Monckton (2008) finds them to be – prodigious exaggerations. False data will no longer convince any impartial mind to believe in the fantasy of anthropogenic “global warming”?
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/monckton-global_warming_has_stopped.jpg
12 oz. curls
This graph shows average global temperature records for the last five years from two of the world’s most respected meteorological institutes, the UK’s Hadley Centre, and the University of Alabama in the US. Both show a clear downward trend, and the graph contrasts that trend explicitly with the rising trend of atmospheric CO2. So we have two conclusions: first of all, Al Gore’s alarmist predictions of rapidly accelerating temperatures, run-away warming and imminent Armageddon are just plain wrong, with each year that passes adding more nails to the coffin of his disaster movie. Second, the supposed correlation between atmospheric CO2 levels and temperature just does not exist. For years, temperatures have been falling while CO2 levels have risen.
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/MSUCRUCO2.jpg
“Al Gore, he made a movie about it.”
What used to be up is down, what used to be down is up. Lockbox.
“I don’t see an catastrophic warming trend.”
Well, that makes you a fool! Anybody knows that, you idiot! You are so stupid you can’t see it!
You are a dope! I’m feeling much pressure inside my head.
Well, that makes you a fool! Anybody knows that, you idiot! You are so stupid you can’t see it!
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A fool that is currently wearing thermal underwear.
Arctic Sees Massive Gain in Ice Coverage
http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=12851&red=y#340331
All that warming seems to be good for ice…
Global Warming Committee chair Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass., recently told students gathered at the U.S. Capitol that climate change caused Hurricane Katrina. “There now is no question that this harm is being caused by human activity. It’s warming up the planet and melting the glaciers,” he said. “The planet is running a fever.”
Markey was not aware that global temperatures stopped warming in 1998 and since 2002 have been declining. NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory reported that the 3,000 global ARGO diving buoys they deployed in 2003 have shown that the world’s oceans have cooled, too (also here)
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/2002-2008TempsvsCO2.jpg
SolDevVB,
Thank for yet again proving that you’re unable to understand even the simple basics of climate science.
Thank you again for proving you can’t back up your farce, just snipe at posters who prove you wrong.
PROVED: THERE IS NO CLIMATE CRISIS
“The value of this paper lies in its dispassionate but ruthlessly clear exposition – or, rather, exposé – of the IPCC’s method of evaluating climate sensitivity. The detailed arguments in this paper, and, indeed, in a large number of other scientific papers, point up extensive errors, including numerous projection errors of climate models, as well as misleading statements by the IPCC. Consequently, there are no rational grounds for believing either the IPCC or any other claims of dangerous anthropogenic global warming.” – Comment on paper by Viscount Monckton.
Major paper shows CO2’s effect on temperature was overstated 500-2000%
http://nzclimatescience.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=310&Itemid=1
LMFAO. Sooo. About that tipping point…
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/UAH20YR.JPG
Copy copy copy paste paste paste
Call people idiots
Click “Post Comment”
Fap
30 years +or- .3 degrees appears to be a pretty stable global climate.
Wipe off hands.
Repeat
SolDevVB posted December 10, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Thank you again for proving you can’t back up your farce, just snipe at posters who prove you wrong.
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It’s not my fault that you cannot understand even simple, basic climate science. Like ENSO causing temperature fluctuations over few-year periods, and aerosols offsetting the warming from higher levels of GHG’s.
So continue to prove your ignorance, by making more posts from your unreliable, confused sources, like icecap.
‘Correcting Ocean Cooling’
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/OceanCooling/
So continue to prove your ignorance
fap
http://www.dailytech.com/Sea+Ice+Growing+at+Fastest+Pace+on+Record/article13385.htm
Here is one that is slight more recent.
I hope you guys are right and this years is not a cycle but a full cooling trend begining…:)
…double speaking, back sliding, slip shodding, flip flopping emetics by cosmos again…
Hey now, how is posting other links back sliding?
You forgot sockdologizing old man-trap.
Really…it has been fun chatting with you…laterz
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fleettwood
Posted December 10, 2008 at 4:51 pm | Permalink
You forgot sockdologizing old man-trap.
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My bad…
Was gonna use ‘golly womping’ but only use that for special occasions.
Dave,
The problem with the new Arctic sea ice is that it’s thin, and more easily melted next year.
Another problem,
‘Remarkable Change in Arctic Atmospheric Circulation: Have We Passed a Tipping Point?’
http://climaticidechronicles.org/2008/12/07/remarkable-change-in-arctic-atmospheric-circulation-has-a-tipping-point-been-passed/
Arctic sea ice now 28.7% higher than this date last year – still rallying
15 10 2008
10/14/2008 7,064,219 square kilometers
10/14/2007 5,487,656 square kilometers
A difference of: 1,576,563 square kilometers, now in fairness, 2008 was a leap year, so to avoid that criticism, the value of 6,857,188 square kilometers can be used which is the 10/13/08 value, for a difference of 1,369,532 sq km. Still not too shabby at 24.9 %. The one day gain between 10/13/08 and 10/14/08 of 3.8% is also quite impressive.
You can download the source data in an Excel file at the IARC-JAXA website, which plots satellite derived sea-ice extent:
Sea Ice Extent
Watch the red line as it progresses. So far we are back to above 2005 levels, and 28.7% (or 24.9% depending on how you want to look at it) ahead of last year at this time. That’s quite a jump, basically a 3x gain, since the minimum of 9% over 2007 set on September 16th. Read about that here.
Go nature!
There is no mention of this on the National Snow and Ice Data Center sea ice news webpage, which has been trumpeting every loss and low for the past two years…not a peep. You’d think this would be big news. Perhaps the embarrassment of not having an ice free north pole in 2008, which was sparked by press comments made by Dr. Mark Serreze there and speculation on their own website, has made them unresponsive in this case.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/15/arctic-sea-ice-now-287-higher-than-this-date-last-year-still-climbing/
Still the third lowest on record …
http://www.wunderground.com/climate/
“The planet continues to stay extremely warm this year, though no record warm months have been recorded in 2008. October 2008 came the closest–it was the 2nd warmest October for the the globe on record, according to statistics released by the National Climatic Data Center.”
December 3 , 2008
‘Ice growth slows; Arctic still warmer than usual‘
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
I just heard on the “news”, the bank “bail-out” being called what I have been calling it, “The Great Tax-Payer Train Robbery” (I just called it The World’s Biggest Bank Heist, but I ain’t arguing semantics). It seems folks want to know where all those TRILLIONS went to. Sorry, my tin-foil is getting to me, I meant $350 billion. Bernanke, Paulson, Kashkari, Bush, Pelosi, Obama, McCain…the list is endless. Traitors ALL. If American’s weren’t the vajayjay’s that we are, we’d actually treat these people like the criminals that they are. But, naw, it’s cool, just so long as you get your little piece. Sheesh, “let them eat cake”.
I’m picturing Iceland, Greece, Haiti, Thailand, Tibet.
Huh, what do ya know?
Today, gas is down to $1.46 a gallon.
And we didn’t “drill baby drill” or “mine baby mine” or act on any of the cheap, reactionary thinking or anything!
How about that!
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cosmos_originally
Posted December 10, 2008 at 3:10 pm | Permalink
‘NOAA: Second Warmest October for Global Temperatures‘
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20081118_octobertemps.html
“Separately, the global land surface temperature was 50.72 degrees F — 2.02 degrees F above the 20th century mean of 48.7 degrees F, ranking as the warmest October on record.”
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was that before or after it was discovered that they were using the data from September.
“These statistics have been corrected for a widely reported error that was discovered earlier this month.”
http://www.wunderground.com/climate/
What’s ironic is all the spin and lies spread by the AGW deniers about the Oct. temperature errors.
‘Mountains out of molehills’
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2008/11/mountains_out_of_molehills.php
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cosmos_originally
Posted December 10, 2008 at 5:56 pm | Permalink
December 3 , 2008
‘Ice growth slows; Arctic still warmer than usual‘
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
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The AGW (Al Gore Warming)prophet is only predicting the rate of growth will slow not stop or reverse. Winter is not here yet so we’ll see what happens.
Tell me Cos, do you get paid to blog and promote your AGW religion?
donndublin,
Do you get paid to blog and prove that you cannot read links, cannot understand science, and can only post stupid, false attacks?
The link explains the reasons for the title.
December 3 , 2008
‘Ice growth slows; Arctic still warmer than usual‘
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
Tell me cos, are you ride a bike this winter?
correction for the spelling police.
Tell me cos, are you riding a bike this winter?
I’m curious as well Cos. What is your field of study besides copy and paste?
cosmos_originally
Posted December 10, 2008 at 6:58 pm | Permalink
donndublin,
Do you get paid to blog and prove that you cannot read links, cannot understand science, and can only post stupid, false attacks?
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The answer is no. Why don’t you answer any of my questions? Are you a paid AGW blogger?
I guess Cos clocks out at 7. Since it’s dark already, I hope everyone see’s him on his bike.
Myth, Lies and IPCC Folklore
It’s the wind stupid
http://glowarmers.blogspot.com/2007/12/myths-lies-and-deceptions-of-climate.html
A video there by real climatologists as well.
A recent study conducted by B. M. Vinther, K. K. Andersen, P. D. Jones, K. R. Briffa2 and J. Cappelen of the Climate Research Unit in the UK and published in Journal of Geophysical Research (1) shows Greenland has not warmed. In fact Greenland has cooled by 1.3 degrees Celsius since 1950.
Several reports have made the claim that “Greenland’s ice sheets are melting faster then ever before.” A recent series of specials on CNN entitled Planet in Peril made the claim that 40% of the Greenland ice sheet has melted.
According to the a study by Johannessen et al. (2) published in the journal Science in 2005, the Greenland ice sheet is “has seen a net gain. Most of the melting is occurring in the southern region of Greenland near populated areas.” The study has been updated several times since then and the Greenland ice sheet continues to gain thickness.
According to Al Gore and the IPCC, anthropogenic global warming is solely to blame for the retreat of the Arctic glacier. They point to the fact that the Arctic glacier is at record lows. What they conveniently don’t tell us is that we have only been actively monitoring the glacier since 1979.
An interesting study was conducted in 2000 by Dr. T. Vinje and published in the journal Climate (3) that used a combination of local records and satellite records (in use since 1979) which shows the Arctic glacier runs in cycles of advancing and retreating. The current extent of retreat, according to the study, is still within the normal variation of this cycle.
A report on the CNN special Planet in Peril pointed out that over the past two years, the rate of glacial retreat has increased. They reported it as being due to global warming despite all the scientific reports that state otherwise. According to NASA’s Dr. Nghiem “Unusual atmospheric conditions set up wind patterns that compressed the sea ice, loaded it into the Transpolar Drift Stream and then sped its flow out of the Arctic” he said. “When that sea ice reached lower latitudes, it rapidly melted in the warmer waters. The winds causing this trend in ice reduction were set up by an unusual pattern of atmospheric pressure that began at the beginning of this century,” (4)
This observed “unusual” pattern is consistent with the findings of a study published in Geophysical Research Letters by Ignatius G. Rigor entitled Variations in the age of Arctic sea-ice and summer sea-ice extent (7). In the study, Rigor discovered that the sea ice in Antarctica advances and retreats on several time intervals based on natural changes in wind patterns. Rigor further explains that this loss of “older, thicker ice” causes “more solar energy to be absorbed, thereby prolonging the melt season”
One of the most outrageous claims that is not substantiated is that Polar Bears are going extinct because of climate change. Australian scientist Tim Flannery has made the claim that “within the next 25 years, Polar Bears will be extinct.” He further made the claim that “Polar Bears typically give birth to triplets, but now they are only giving birth to one bear.” According to biologists that study Polar Bears, this is completely false. “Polar Bears typically give birth to single bears or twins. Rarely do they give birth to triplets as Flannery claims.”
Dr. Mitch Taylor, biologist for the Department of Environment in Canada, says that Polar Bear populations are increasing. In a media release from May of 2006 (5) Dr. Taylor seems rather dismayed by the misinformation being spread about the Polar Bear population. He said “This complexity is why so many people find the truth less entertaining than a good story. It is entirely appropriate to be concerned about climate change, but it is just silly to predict the demise of polar bears in 25 years based on media-assisted hysteria.”
Dr. Taylor admits that in one region, western Hudson Bay, the population has decreased, while the rest of the regions have increased. In an interview with the Scotsman, Scotland’s national newspaper (6), Dr. Taylor explains “We’re seeing an increase in bears that’s really unprecedented, and in places where we’re seeing a decrease in the population it’s from hunting, not from climate change.”
Listening to media reports, one would think that both the Arctic and Antarctic ice sheets are melting. Nothing could be farther from the truth. While it is true that the Arctic Ice sheet has melted due to natural processes, the Antarctic Ice sheet is at record high levels. (8) This growth of the Antarctic Ice sheet appears to contradict the hypothesis of Anthropogenic Global Warming.
In Al Gore’s movie “An Inconvenient Truth”, the claim was made that Antarctica is warming at an unprecedented rate. This also is false. Antarctica has cooled since 1957. (9) Current temperatures and computer models point to the continuation of this downward trend in temperatures.
A recent press release from the World Wildlife Federation (WWF) makes the claim that “The penguin population of Antarctica is under pressure from global warming.” This claim is absurd at best. First of all Antarctica is not warming. Secondly there is currently no way to accurately estimate the populations of many of the different breeds of penguins. (10)
It is true that observations have seen a decline in certain species in certain regions, but because of the vast expanse of remote areas, a true analysis of the populations is incomplete.
Some regions have seen a marked increase in the number of specific species, yet no one truly knows what the populations of these species are in the remote areas of Antarctica. (11)
Several Global Warming alarmists have made the claim that because of warmer temperatures we will see an increase in the number and intensity of storms. This is just plain silly. There are a number of factors that go into severe weather. Heat is just one of them. You also need to take into account barometric pressure, the jet stream, upper level winds, mid level winds, surface winds, humidity and rapid temperature changes in a rather small geographic area.
Observations of the number and intensity of severe weather do not show any increase. Quite the opposite is true. There has been a decrease in the number of severe weather events. (12)
Every proponent of AGW insists that the Earth has an actual baseline temperature. This temperature is what the Earth’s average temperature is supposed to be. Unfortunately for them, no one group can agree on what that temperature is. Dr. James Hansen at NASA’s Goddard Institute will say it is 58.6 degrees Fahrenheit. The Climate Research Unit has it at 61 degrees Fahrenheit and the IPCC has it listed as 60.25 degrees Fahrenheit. This may seem trivial, but even small variations in the base of their calculations can have significant effects on the rest of their work.
These baselines appear to be nothing more then a made up number. Several mathematicians, statisticians and others have run calculations based on the available numbers and the average of all available temperature data never equals any of the numbers listed above. It would appear that for whatever reason, these groups just decided that these would be the numbers they would start with.
With all the hype being presented as fact by the media these days, one would be hard pressed not to believe that some of these things are happening or will happen. The scientific evidence does not support many of the claims we are constantly being bombarded with.
What about the acidification of the oceans?
That’s not happening either?
donndublin
Posted December 10, 2008 at 7:12 pm
cosmos_originally
Posted December 10, 2008 at 6:58 pm
donndublin,
Do you get paid to blog and prove that you cannot read links, cannot understand science, and can only post stupid, false attacks?
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The answer is no. Why don’t you answer any of my questions? Are you a paid AGW blogger?
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Okay. . . so you do it because you cannot read links, cannot understand science, and can only post stupid, false attacks.
My only payment for posting here is laughing at the dumb posts you AGW deniers make.
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Rage
Posted December 10, 2008 at 7:31 pm | Permalink
What about the acidification of the oceans?
That’s not happening either?
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Between 1751 and 1994 surface ocean pH is estimated to have decreased from approximately 8.179 to 8.104 (a change of -0.075).
You may recall from your science classes that acidic changes start below 7.0 on the pH scale.
So in about 250 years, the world’s oceans have lost some of their alkalinity by 0.075 on the alkaline side of the scale.
Part of the salt making process of oceans is the reaction of the oceans minerals with acid influences, co2 (carbonates etc.)
Also, from basic science, you may recall what happens when you add baking soda to acids – it forms a salt.
The pH of baking soda is quite similar to oceans.
When ocean content reacts to carbonates, it forms a salt, which is what the ocean needs to maintain it’s permeability and other functions.
So in 250 years, 0.075 reduction of of the pH of the ocean is not on the acidic side as the alarmist would say, it’s still in the calm baking soda natural side. :)
An alarmist, or just a scientist predicting an alarming trend?
The chemistry is very straight-forward: ocean acidification is linearly related to the amount of CO2 we produce. CO2 dissolves in the ocean, reacts with seawater and decreases the pH. Since the industrial revolution, the oceans have become 30 percent more acidic (from 8.2 pH to 8.1 pH). “Under a “business as usual scenario, predictions for the end of the century are that we will lower the surface ocean pH by 0.4 pH units, which means that the surface oceans will become 150 percent more acidic — and this is a ‘hell of a lot’ “, said Jelle Bijma, chair of the EuroCLIMATE programme Scientific Committee and a biogeochemist at the Alfred-Wegener-Institute Bremerhaven.
“Ocean acidification is more rapid than ever in the history of the earth and if you look at the pCO2 (partial pressure of carbon dioxide) levels we have reached now, you have to go back 35 million years in time to find the equivalents” continued Bijma. A maximum allowed change in pH, where the system is still controllable, needs to be found. This is a major challenge considering the multifaceted unknowns that still are to be clarified. This so-called “tipping point” is currently estimated to allow a drop of about 0.2 pH units, a value that could be reached in as near as 30 years. More research and further modeling needs to be undertaken to verify the prediction.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080521105251.htm
Look, more alarmism, from that hotbed of tye-dyed kooks, Nature:
Oceanography: Anthropogenic carbon and ocean pH
Ken Caldeira1 & Michael E. Wickett2
Abstract
The coming centuries may see more ocean acidification than the past 300 million years.
Most carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere as a result of the burning of fossil fuels will eventually be absorbed by the ocean1, with potentially adverse consequences for marine biota2, 3, 4. Here we quantify the changes in ocean pH that may result from this continued release of CO2 and compare these with pH changes estimated from geological and historical records. We find that oceanic absorption of CO2 from fossil fuels may result in larger pH changes over the next several centuries than any inferred from the geological record of the past 300 million years, with the possible exception of those resulting from rare, extreme events such as bolide impacts or catastrophic methane hydrate degassing.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v425/n6956/full/425365a.html
BTW, for reasons to boring to discuss here, the H+ ions used to determine pH of oceans is not satisfactory, because it is influenced by sulfur compounds in water vapor (clouds and snow) which also run off into the ocean.
Formation of sulfur can be man-made, but it also occurs naturally when geological surface and underwater upheavals of volcanoes occurs.
Sulfate ions are more difficult to predict and scale as there is no baseline to compare them with in the natural biosphere.
SO2 can be a pollutant, such as acid rain. This can also be a product of coal plants.
Oceans near sources of pyrite (iron sulfide) is also a large source of sulfur release.
Ya see, it just ain’t that easy to say co2 is the boggie man causing everything.
As I said before, deep water, dredging, land masses falling off into the ocean and sinking/falling ocean floors are also causes of coral reefs dieing.
Simple is, is simple does = IPCC alarmist science.
Put a label on it and try to get a politician to sell it for you.
Dumbing down science by cosmos, his speciality.
Make it a brand name alarm bell and hopefully you’ll have sheeple follow you by the thousands.
dumb
misinformed
lack of scientific knowledge
alarmism
Rage
Posted December 10, 2008 at 8:01 pm | Permalink
Look, more alarmism, from that hotbed of tye-dyed kooks, Nature:
Oceanography: Anthropogenic carbon and ocean pH
Ken Caldeira1 & Michael E. Wickett2
Abstract
The coming centuries may see more ocean acidification than the past 300 million years
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Quick!
Tell me what the pH of oceans was 300 millions years ago.
:D
“Ocean acidification
Quick rage, tell me what ocean or part of the ocean is now acidic.
Can ya do it?
Acidification means something is turning acidic.
Just where are these acid oceans???????????
Come on, I might want to chomp into a acid flavored sea bass. :D
Rage posted December 10, 2008 at 7:56 pm
An alarmist, or just a scientist predicting an alarming trend?
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For AGW deniers like Regular, any scientists who show that high CO2 levels are causing problems are alarmists.
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cosmos_originally
Posted December 10, 2008 at 8:11 pm | Permalink
Rage posted December 10, 2008 at 7:56 pm
An alarmist, or just a scientist predicting an alarming trend?
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For AGW deniers like Regular, any scientists who show that high CO2 levels are causing problems are alarmists.
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Not denier cosmos, common sense and observation tested science.
As opposed to rush to judgment, put an alarmist label on it and sell the snake oil to the public science like you are trying to panhandle.
dumb
gullible
ignorant
misinformed
deep in denial
lacking credible scientific knowledge
The above = AGW deniers, and ocean acidification deniers.
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cosmos_originally
Posted December 10, 2008 at 8:15 pm | Permalink
dumb
gullible
ignorant
misinformed
deep in denial
lacking credible scientific knowledge
The above = AGW deniers, and ocean acidification deniers.
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Name those acid oceans cosmos…
I’ll wait.
hmmm, sea bass with a squeeze of lemon…
Now that’s some tasty acid!
New Coral Reef? What’s this?
Scientists in Australia have stumbled on an uncharted coral reef the size of Jersey in Queensland’s Gulf of Carpentaria. At 120 sq km, it covers a larger area than all the reefs of Barbados put together.
“We were absolutely stunned when we lowered a video camera down there and saw living hard corals,” said Peter Harris, who led the Geoscience Australia expedition. “We had thought it was just a relic from lower sea levels.”
The reef has probably escaped notice until now because most of it is more than 20m below the surface and because of its remoteness. The nearest big settlement is the town of Karumba 250km to the south-east.
The reef is likely to have formed 40,000-80,000 years ago, when sea levels were 30m lower than at present. The fresh coral spotted by the expedition may be much more recent, growing up within the past 1,000 years.
The discovery of hard coral in the area comes as a complete surprise. Conventional scientific wisdom says that no reefs can exist in Australia’s warm, muddy coastal waters west of the Great Barrier Reef’s northern limits in the Torres Strait.
It has always been thought that the gulf was too clogged with sediment for reefs to grow, and the Geoscience Australia expedition had originally set out to investigate the movements of sediment in its waters.
“I’m very curious to see if this sort of thing is not more widespread in the area,” Mr Harris said.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jun/11/australia.highereducation
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OMG!
And the IPCC scientists thought they knew everything there was to know about coral reefs…
…until they didn’t… :D
Light Pollution Offers New Global Measure Of Coral Reef Health
ScienceDaily (Nov. 26, 2008) — We’ve all seen the satellite images of Earth at night–the bright blobs and shining webs that tell the story of humanity’s endless sprawl.
more at:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081124174955.htm
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Let there be light!
Well, maybe not for coral reefs. :)
gullible
ignorant
misinformed
deep in denial
lacking credible scientific knowledge
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All of those people who keep on incessantly confusing Climate Change, with weather conditions… The first snow in Wichita this Fall was very nice…. But, has NOTHING to do with Global Warming….
:eye roll: :-(
In Kansas, hills were formed that were later buried or worn away by wind and water. Seas covered parts of the state, then disappeared. Giant sheets of ice called glaciers moved into northeast Kansas, then melted. Rivers changed their courses. The climate changed — sometimes hot, sometimes cold, sometimes wet, sometimes dry. These changes are what made Kansas look the way it does today.
Nasty weather they had back in the day…
‘Never Underestimate the Power of Stupid People in Large Groups’
A Little Gun History Lesson
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to
1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves,
were rounded up and exterminated.
———— ——— ———
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5
million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up
and exterminated.
———— ——— ——
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 194 5,
a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend
themselves were rounded up and exterminated
———— ——— ———
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million
political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up
and exterminated.
———— ——— ——-
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981,
100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
up and exterminated.
———— ——— ———
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979,
300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up
and exterminated.
———— ——— ———
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977,
one million ‘educated’ people, unable to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated.
———— ——— ——–
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century
because of gun control: 56 million.
———— ——— ———
It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced
by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed
by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers
more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now
in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent Australia-wide,
assaults are up 8.6 percent Australia-wide, armed robberies are up
44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up
300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them
in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!
It will never happen here? I bet the Aussies said that too! While
figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed
robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the
past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey
is unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults
of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain
how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and
expense was expended in successfully ridding Australia n society
of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts
above prove it.
You won’t see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians
disseminating this information. All news in this country is “coached”
by government thru influence-peddling to AVOID telling you things
you SHOULD know.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and,
yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
The purpose for guns other than food, is: (1) to protect your
property (2) to protect you and others from injury and (3) to
protect your common law unalienable rights. [These go FAR beyond
Constitutional Rights and are a gift from the creator.] The history
of government is one of usurpation of people into slavery. For anyone
who doesn’t believe this then go back and examine the Declaration of
Independence and understand that “the People” declared themselves
INDEPENDENT of government. [Never to be told again by government
that they are NOT to have the means to insure their freedom.] When
you have no weapon, your slavery is guaranteed by government it’s
just a matter of time.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it’s too late! When only
government has guns, they will force “law for government” [aka
statutory law"] upon you –when ironically it’s really meant to
control them. With guns, the People declare the independence of
their separate lawfulness only common with people.
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind
him of this history lesson.
With Guns……. .. ….We Are ‘Citizens’.
Without Them…….. We Are ‘Subjects’.
When there was NO INCOME tax was when EVERYONE understood EVERYONE
had a right to a weapon ..coincidence?
Gun Owners and Tax Deniers defined the freest and most prosperous
time in the history of the world. Never forget this heritage.
During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they
knew most Americans were ARMED!
During WWII the Nazi’s decided not to invade Switzerland for each
Swiss common man was a trained sharp-shooter with a gun. Hitler
used the German word for “porcupine” to describe how his troops
would suffer.
Note: Admiral Yamamoto who crafted the attack on Pearl Harbor
had attended Harvard U 1919-1921 & was Naval Attach to the
U. S. 1925-28. Most of our Navy was destroyed at Pearl Harbor &
our Army had been deprived of funding & was ill prepared to defend
the country.
It was reported that when asked why Japan did not follow up the
Pearl Harbor attack with an invasion of the U. S. Mainland, his
reply was that he had lived in the U. S. & knew that almost all
households had guns.
If you value your freedom, Please spread this anti-gun control
message to all your friends!
AND NEVER, NEVER, NEVER SURRENDER YOUR GUNS!!!
To anyone wishing to take my guns:
WARNING- Shortly after attempting to confiscate my rightly owned firearms you may suffer a horrible case of lead poisoning.
Boxlock20
Posted December 10, 2008 at 9:14 pm | Permalink
‘Never Underestimate the Power of Stupid People in Large Groups’
A Little Gun History Lesson
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to
1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves,
were rounded up and exterminated.
———— ——— ———
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5
million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up
and exterminated.
———— ——— ——
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 194 5,
a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend
themselves were rounded up and exterminated
———— ——— ———
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million
political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up
and exterminated.
———— ——— ——-
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981,
100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
up and exterminated.
———— ——— ———
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979,
300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up
and exterminated.
———— ——— ———
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977,
one million ‘educated’ people, unable to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated.
———— ——— ——–
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century
because of gun control: 56 million.
———— ——— ———
It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced
by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed
by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers
more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now
in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent Australia-wide,
assaults are up 8.6 percent Australia-wide, armed robberies are up
44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up
300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them
in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!
It will never happen here? I bet the Aussies said that too! While
figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed
robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the
past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey
is unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults
of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain
how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and
expense was expended in successfully ridding Australia n society
of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts
above prove it.
You won’t see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians
disseminating this information. All news in this country is “coached”
by government thru influence-peddling to AVOID telling you things
you SHOULD know.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and,
yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
The purpose for guns other than food, is: (1) to protect your
property (2) to protect you and others from injury and (3) to
protect your common law unalienable rights. [These go FAR beyond
Constitutional Rights and are a gift from the creator.] The history
of government is one of usurpation of people into slavery. For anyone
who doesn’t believe this then go back and examine the Declaration of
Independence and understand that “the People” declared themselves
INDEPENDENT of government. [Never to be told again by government
that they are NOT to have the means to insure their freedom.] When
you have no weapon, your slavery is guaranteed by government it’s
just a matter of time.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it’s too late! When only
government has guns, they will force “law for government” [aka
statutory law"] upon you –when ironically it’s really meant to
control them. With guns, the People declare the independence of
their separate lawfulness only common with people.
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind
him of this history lesson.
With Guns……. .. ….We Are ‘Citizens’.
Without Them…….. We Are ‘Subjects’.
When there was NO INCOME tax was when EVERYONE understood EVERYONE
had a right to a weapon ..coincidence?
Gun Owners and Tax Deniers defined the freest and most prosperous
time in the history of the world. Never forget this heritage.
During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they
knew most Americans were ARMED!
During WWII the Nazi’s decided not to invade Switzerland for each
Swiss common man was a trained sharp-shooter with a gun. Hitler
used the German word for “porcupine” to describe how his troops
would suffer.
Note: Admiral Yamamoto who crafted the attack on Pearl Harbor
had attended Harvard U 1919-1921 & was Naval Attach to the
U. S. 1925-28. Most of our Navy was destroyed at Pearl Harbor &
our Army had been deprived of funding & was ill prepared to defend
the country.
It was reported that when asked why Japan did not follow up the
Pearl Harbor attack with an invasion of the U. S. Mainland, his
reply was that he had lived in the U. S. & knew that almost all
households had guns.
If you value your freedom, Please spread this anti-gun control
message to all your friends!
AND NEVER, NEVER, NEVER SURRENDER YOUR GUNS!!!
____________________________
The coward Bawskalot pisses in his pants again.
Wanna meet up diaper boy?
It childish idiot spouts again.
Sure misfit, or whatever you nic is.
You name it, anytime anyplace, ha!
What an A$$hole
Regular posted December 10, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Name those acid oceans cosmos…
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Thank you for proving my point, Regular.
dumb
gullible
ignorant
misinformed
deep in denial
lacking credible scientific knowledge
The above = AGW deniers, and ocean acidification deniers.
For all you music fans-
James Brown & Pavarotti
http://www.killerchops.tv/musicvideo.php?vid=89e9094fb
Hey misfit,
Got a question for you, are you a friend of BJ’s?
I would sure guess as much as you are even more a repulsive immature imbecile as he.
He was easy to lead down a path of his own choosing, leaving him standing in a parking lot in the cold wondering what the he11 happened.
I imagine you are even more clueless.
‘Ocean Acidity Rising at Surprising Pace‘
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/11/25/ocean-acidity.html
All right!! Bush blocked from one of his harmful, stupid goals.
‘U.S. drops plans to change power plant rules”
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSTRE4BA0CJ20081211
“The Bush administration has dropped controversial plans that would have allowed some existing power plants to expand without having to install new pollution controls.”
“Got a question for you, are you a friend of BJ’s?
I would sure guess as much as you are even more a repulsive immature imbecile as he.
He was easy to lead down a path of his own choosing, leaving him standing in a parking lot in the cold wondering what the he11 happened.”
That’s YOUR side bawks.
And it is pretty much exclusive to you and a few other nic switchers.
What is it a MONTH since then?
And here you are still calling me names and CLAIMING victory.
The upshot for MOST bloggers?
I called you out. YOU accepted.
And then you punked out.
We can revisit it as many times as you would like.
Oh? And any reader here knows.
I didn’t “wonder what happened”. I posted the same day that you did not show up. Just as I figured you would not.
good night; good luck; god bless —-
whatever you conceive god to be!!
blessings ALL!!
so mote it be!!
So how about it BlueJay, wanna sell that gray Toyota?
Come on Ryann, you got an answer? I want to make a deal.
Going once…
going twice…
Well Ryann, you moonbats propose your little strategies, I’ll take it easy.
Peace out.
” I called you out. YOU accepted.
And then you punked out.”
Like a complete childish fool you called out a anonymous BLOGGER that got under your skin, to meet in a cold parking lot, ha! What an idiot.
You got taught a valuable lesson there BJ.
Or, are you still too ignorant and full of pride to accept that too.
I would never bring it up again BJ if you and your fellow jackals wouldn’t. Tell misfit, or whatever, to quit being your mouth for you.
I have to admit BJ, ‘misfit’ or whatever makes you look like a genius, I’m surprised his computer will even accept commands from such a numskull.
#
cosmos_originally
Posted December 10, 2008 at 9:43 pm | Permalink
Regular posted December 10, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Name those acid oceans cosmos…
————-
Thank you for proving my point, Regular.
dumb
gullible
ignorant
misinformed
deep in denial
lacking credible scientific knowledge
The above = AGW deniers, and ocean acidification deniers.
================================
Ah!
You see cosmos cannot name any acid oceans, because there aren’t any.
You see folks, climate alarmist love to use catch phrases like ocean acidification.
Those who know your basic science know that pH above 8.0 is not acidic, it is mild on the alkaline side like baking soda as I described earlier.
If oceans were acidic, fish and other ocean life would be dieing in masses. They aren’t.
Let the arm flailing continue by the alarmists.
Hey cosmos, how about the mud-filled coral reef that was found that wasn’t supposed to be?
Quite a discovery eh?
Scientists didn’t think such a thing existed until they discovered it.
“You got taught a valuable lesson there BJ.”
That you’re a punk?
Hell we already knew that.
You got taught a valuable lesson there BJ.
Or, are you still too ignorant and full of pride to accept that too?
“That you’re a punk?”—BJ
Well, I guess that answers that, ha.
Oh well, maybe we can keep working on it awhile longer.
“The Americans With No Abilities Act (AWNAA)
Washington, DC – Congress is considering sweeping
legislation that will provide new benefits for many Americans.
The Americans With No Abilities Act (AWNAA) is being hailed as a major legislative goal by advocates of the millions of Americans wholack any real skills or ambition.
There you go BlueJay sounds like this was written by you and for you.
‘Roughly 50 percent of Americans do not possess the competence and drive necessary to carve out a meaningful role for themselves in society,’ said California Senator Barbara Boxer.
‘We can no longer stand by and allow People of inability to be ridiculed and passed over. With this legislation, employers will no longer be able to grant special favors to a small group of workers, simply because they have some idea of what they are doing.’
In a Capitol Hill press conference, House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid pointed to the success of the U.S. Postal Service, which has a long-standing policy of providing opportunity without regard to performance. Approximately 74 percent of postal employees lack any job skills, making this agencythe single largest U.S. employer of Persons of Inability.
Private-sector industries with good records of non-discrimination against the Inept include retail sales (72%), the airline industry (68%), and home improvement ‘warehouse’ stores (65%). At the state government level, the Department of Motor Vehicles also has an excellent record of hiring Persons of Inability (63%).
Under the Americans With No Abilities Act, more than 25 million ‘middle man’ positions will be created, with important-sounding titles but little real responsibility, thus providing an illusory sense of purpose and performance.
Mandatory non-performance-based raises and promotions will be given so as to guarantee upward mobility for even the most unremarkable
employees. The legislation provides substantial tax breaks to corporations that promote a significant number of Persons of Inability into middle-management positions, and gives a tax credit to small and medium-sized businesses that agree to hire one clueless worker for every two talented hires.
Finally, the AWNAA contains tough new measures to make it more difficult to discriminate against the Non-abled, banning, for example, discriminatory interview questions such as, ‘Do you have any skills or experience that relate to this job?’
‘As a Non-abled person, I can’t be expected to keep up with people who have something going for them,’ said Mary Lou Gertz, who lost her position as a lug-nut twister at the GM plant in Flint, Michigan, dueto her inability to remember rightey tightey, lefty loosey. ‘This new law should be real good for people like me,’ Gertz added. With the passage of this bill, Gertz and millions of other untalented citizens will finally see a light at the end of the tunnel.
Said Senator Dick Durban (D-IL): ‘As a Senato with no abilities, I believe the same privileges that elected officials enjoy ought to be extended to every American with no abilities. It is our
duty as lawmakers to provide each and every American citizen, regardless of his or her adequacy, with some sort of space to take up in
this great nation and a good salary for doing so.”
Regular posted December 11, 2008 at 7:38 am
Ah!
You see cosmos cannot name any acid oceans, because there aren’t any.
You see folks, climate alarmist love to use catch phrases like ocean acidification.
Those who know your basic science know that pH above 8.0 is not acidic, it is mild on the alkaline side like baking soda as I described earlier.
If oceans were acidic, fish and other ocean life would be dieing in masses. They aren’t.
Let the arm flailing continue by the alarmists.
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Regular,
You seem unable to understand that the very widely used phrase “ocean acidification” means “the ocean is becoming less alkaline”.
Perhaps you should devote your life to convincing the world to use “becoming less alkaline” instead of “acidification”?
You could start by contacting the people at these 2 links.
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/11/25/ocean-acidity-02.html
http://www.ocean-acidification.net/
Good luck.