Open thread 12/08

280 Comments

  1. Maggotpunk
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:05 am | Permalink

    Oops, the theory of evolution is going through an adaptation, something creationist whining had absolutely nothing to do with.

    Flexibility Trumps Fitness In Sexual Reproduction, Says New Theory In Evolutionary Biology

    ScienceDaily (Dec. 3, 2008) — The utility of sex, according to an intriguing new theory of evolutionary biology, may be its ability to promote genes that play well with many other partners rather than those that shine with just one specific set of genes.

    This idea of genetic mixability, described in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences the week of Nov. 24, hits on the difficulty evolutionary biologists have had in understanding sex, specifically its role in population genetics and Darwin’s survival-of-the-fittest mantra.

    “It’s the generalist winning over the specialist,” said Christos Papadimitriou, professor of computer sciences at the University of California, Berkeley, and co-author of the paper.

    More real science at:
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081124174903.htm

  2. Maggotpunk
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:43 am | Permalink

    Legacy of conservatives: Mass graves revealed in South Korea where thousands of leftists were slaughtered with the approval of the American government.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081206/ap_on_re_as/as_korea_mass_executions

    It still pales in comparison to the number of liberals slaughtered by other conservative governments under Nixon and Reagan.

  3. Maggotpunk
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:53 am | Permalink

    One year old girl pregnant, plans on getting an abortion for “convenience” as the antis would say.

    http://www.farsuna.com/en/news.php?id=2932

    Sigh, they grow up so fast.

  4. Political_mama
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:56 am | Permalink

    There was a story on MSNBC last night that made me absolutely bawl. It was called “Dear Zachary”, the story of a family held hostage by their son and grandson’s murderer, and how messed up the Canadian Justice system was before they became activists to fix it.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m know that America has equally horrific stories of abuses of victim’s rights, but the story was just sad.

    I wish everyone could watch it. It was quite apparent to me that this woman was seriously ill and seriously a danger.

  5. Boxlock20
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 7:50 am | Permalink

    Obama warns economy to worsen before it improves
    Dec 8, 6:49 AM (ET)
    By DAVID ESPO
    WASHINGTON (AP)

    “President-elect Barack Obama wants to make something very clear: The economy is not going to immediately recover when he takes his oath of office, but he has a plan to get the country moving.” AH….A PLAN, That’s Good!

    “And that means that we can’t worry short term about the deficit.” AH….MORE OF THE SAME. What No Change We Were Promised!!!

    While the country struggles with an economic crisis, Obama said it’s important that the president use the White House as a rallying point for national pride.
    “Thinking about the diversity of our culture and inviting jazz musicians, and classical musicians, and poetry readings in the White House so that once again we appreciate this incredible tapestry that’s America, you know, that, I think, is going to be incredibly important, particularly because we’re going through hard times,” Obama said.” AH YES….Sounds like a Real Economic Plan!!!

    Personally, I think it’s going to take a little more than “jazz musicians, classical musicians, and poetry reading in the White House” to make things better economically.

  6. annie_moose
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    We don’t need no stinking regulations

    http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/video-mortgage-racket-as-art/

  7. sursum
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    Noted this AM in the Toronto press: Thousands will line the roadway bearing the coffins of the lastest soldiers killed in Afganistan. Cops, fire fighters in solemn salute and civilians holding the Maple Leaf Flag will line the bridges along the road, as they do for all those KIA. Their newly minted Conservative PM some time ago to tried bar the press and public but the press told him to stick-it and the public comes out anyway in bone chilling temperatures. It is a very solemn tradition not tied to patriotism in any way, just recognition of the loss of life in another war they did not start nor cause, for that happens when you are a small country.

  8. annie_moose
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 8:00 am | Permalink

    hehehe

    Ex-New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik Charged

    Bernard B. Kerik, the former New York City Police Commissioner and Commissioner of the New York City Department of Corrections, has been indicted by a federal grand jury sitting in White Plains on conspiracy, tax fraud, and false statements charges.

    According to the Indictment, Kerik conspired with others to deprive the City of New York and its citizens of his honest services by: 1) receiving benefits—namely, approximately $255,000 in renovations to Kerik’s Riverdale, New York, apartment (”the Riverdale Apartment”)—from a company seeking to do business with the City; 2) concealing those benefits by, among …

  9. Mary_Caruso
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 8:02 am | Permalink

    He has more plans for the economy than you obviously want to admit….but if things don’t turn around overnight, I’m sure the cons will declare him a failure.
    I’d suggest you do some research to find out what his plans are…and it’s much more than simply denying that we are in a recession, like Bush.

  10. annie_moose
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 8:11 am | Permalink

    looks like the man was screwing us all along

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fMlGGABcHs

  11. HerbertWestIII
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    See President Elect Obama at http://www.Change.gov and you can see how I suggested to him and others how we can generate $51,000,000.00 into Kansas and almost $3billion into America at http://www.MiamiCountyOpinion.com Herbert West 3rd. west.herb@yahoo.com Sebelius decided too stay because she has no place to go. President Elect Obama decided not too let her undermine his run and bid to help us out. She is set to continue trolling here. IMPEACH and send her the message!!!!!!!! NO MORE TERRORISM!!!!!!!!!!! She needs to go!!!!! E-mail Obama, demand she be removed. Demand he helps find us a Governor. Herb West 3rd http://www.MiamiCountyOpinion.com

  12. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    HA HA HA!

    Liberals voice concerns about Obama

    Liberals are growing increasingly nervous – and some just flat-out angry – that President-elect Barack Obama seems to be stiffing them on Cabinet jobs and policy choices.

    Obama has reversed pledges to immediately repeal tax cuts for the wealthy and take on Big Oil. He’s hedged his call for a quick drawdown in Iraq. And he’s stocking his White House with anything but stalwarts of the left.

    Now some are shedding a reluctance to puncture the liberal euphoria at being rid of President George W. Bush to say, in effect, that the new boss looks like the old boss.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16292.html

  13. Posted December 8, 2008 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    The Funniest Joke Ever !
    . . . ON US

    Does anybody out there have any memory of the reason given for the establishment of the DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY during the Carter Administration? Anybody? Anything? No ? Didn’t think so.

    Bottom line . . we’ve spent several hundred billion
    dollars in support of an agency the reason for which not
    one person who reads this can remember.

    Ready? It was very simple, and at the time everybody
    thought it very appropriate.

    The Department of Energy was instituted 8-04-1977 TO
    LESSEN OUR DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL. HEY, PRETTY EFFICIENT, HUH?

    AND NOW IT’S 2008, 31 YEARS LATER, AND THE BUDGET FOR THIS NECESSARY DEPARTMENT IS AT $24.2 BILLION A YEAR, THEY HAVE 16,000 FEDERAL EMPLOYEES, AND APPROXIMATELY 100,000 CONTRACT EMPLOYEES AND LOOK AT THE JOB THEY HAVE DONE!

    THIS IS WHERE YOU SLAP YOUR FOREHEAD AND SAY ‘WHAT WAS I THINKING?’

    Ah yes, good ole beaurocracy. And now we are going to turn the Banking system over to them?

  14. beber
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    Are you actually bragging, Sol, about how your beloved Ron gutted every single one of the Carter energy iniatives, and turned the D.O.E. over to oil and coal interests?

  15. lindainks55
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    I’m Really Gonna Miss Systematically Destroying This Place

    Oh, America. Eight years went by so fast, didn’t they? I feel like I hardly got to know you and methodically undermine everything you once stood for. But I guess all good things must come to an end, and even though you know I would love to stick around for another year or four—maybe privatize Social Security or get us into Iran—I’m afraid it’s time to go. But before I leave, let me say, from the bottom of my heart: I can’t think of another country I would’ve rather led to the brink of collapse.

    — snip –

    Still, I have to admit, sometimes I think I could’ve dismantled so much more. The very fact that the environment still exists, that a mere 4,000 troops have died in Iraq, that there is still the slightest glimmer of hope for the future left in this nation—it’s easy to feel like maybe I didn’t do my job. But no, no, there’s no use having any regret. I fucked everything up the best I could and that’s good enough for me.

    You know, I’ve got a few weeks left. I could still illegally fire some U.S. attorneys for political reasons, or finally get rid of that pesky separation between church and state. Or maybe I could just bomb a place. Like Russia. But this time, I would really savor it.

    As long as I live, America, I’ll never forget irreparably ruining you. Unless we all die in a nuclear war or calamitous environmental disaster brought on by my neglect. Either way, I’ll see you all in heaven!

    http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/im_really_gonna_miss

  16. annie_moose
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    I have solved the financial crisis. Uncle sam needs to follow the directions on this video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMSRjgzBrxc&feature=related

  17. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    lindainks55
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:18 am | Permalink
    http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/im_really_gonna_miss
    My fellow Americans, I only hope that every time you have your civil liberties encroached upon by the Patriot Act, you’ll think of me.

    —————————————————-

    How about an impromptu poll of how many of us have had our civil liberties encroached upon?

    I’m a NO.

  18. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    How about an impromptu poll of how many of us have had our civil liberties encroached upon?
    ======================

    I haven’t been encroached upon.

  19. fleettwood
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    No here.

  20. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    First Vietnamese-American elected to Congress
    Unofficial returns show Republican Anh ‘Joseph’ Cao has won seat

    NEW ORLEANS – The first Vietnamese-American elected to Congress took advantage of dissatisfaction with a longtime incumbent dogged by corruption allegations and reflects the changing nature of New Orleans politics since Hurricane Katrina.

    Republican immigration attorney Anh “Joseph” Cao defeated Democratic U.S. William Jefferson on Saturday in an election postponed for a month by Hurricane Gustav.
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28086325/

  21. BlueJay
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    Yes my civil liberties have indeed been encroached upon.

  22. Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    berber,

    And Clinton did what exactly? From 77-80 what exactly was accomplished.

    Are you actually bragging that you are a bafoon?

  23. Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    Yes my civil liberties have indeed been encroached upon.

    Do explain.

  24. BlueJay
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    Told and told again solie. Go fish.

  25. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    BlueJay,

    Having your head ears deep up your ass doesn’t count.

  26. fleettwood
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    “Yes my civil liberties have indeed been encroached upon.”

    Pleased to be asking for details.

  27. BlueJay
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    Hey, I’m cool with it.

    ALL those powers that bush accumulated to the Executive?

    They will be safely in Democratic hands now!

    DO enjoy!

  28. Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    Told and told again solie. Go fish.

    Whhhiiiiiiif!!!!

  29. BlueJay
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    If I ask for a topographical map of a local Kansas reservoir for fishing purposes?

    I have to sign on to a terrorist watch list.

    Courtesy george bush.

  30. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    They will be safely in Democratic hands now!
    =============

    I’m not worried. From the looks of it, Obama won’t be leaning as hard left as you had hoped.

    Do enjoy!

  31. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:44 am | Permalink
    If I ask for a topographical map of a local Kansas reservoir for fishing purposes?

    I have to sign on to a terrorist watch list.
    ==========

    No, you don’t.

  32. BlueJay
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    Well then it will be four years and out for Mr. Obama. I was never any great fan anyway!

  33. Hud
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    “If I ask for a topographical map of a local Kansas reservoir for fishing purposes?

    I have to sign on to a terrorist watch list.”

    Really? When did I sign on to this “watch list” while I was purchasing my maps?

  34. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    I get the maps free, don’t have to sign up for anything.

  35. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    Well that is solved, now what is your bitch again BlueJay?

  36. BlueJay
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    “now what is your bitch again BlueJay?”

    Um, you?

  37. fleettwood
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    http://www.kgs.ku.edu/General/News/99_releases/lake_maps.html

  38. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Um, you?
    ——–

    Sorry, I’m not encroaching upon your civil liberties. Try again, if you are able.

  39. fleettwood
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    http://www.topozone.com/states/Kansas.asp?county=Linn&feature=Reservoir

  40. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    What can’t you do that you could?

  41. fleettwood
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    “Yes my civil liberties have indeed been encroached upon.”

    Pleased to be asking for details.

  42. BlueJay
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    Hey, I’m cool with it.

    ALL those powers that bush accumulated to the Executive?

    They will be safely in Democratic hands now!

    DO enjoy!

  43. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    You got nothing, BlueJay.

  44. fleettwood
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    blowjay has nothing.

  45. BlueJay
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    I got a gaggle of disheartened cons hanging on my every word.

    BORING.

    Later kids.

  46. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    I like ‘got’ it’s ‘folksy’. ”””””’

  47. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:53 am | Permalink
    Hey, I’m cool with it.

    ALL those powers that bush accumulated to the Executive?

    They will be safely in Democratic hands now!

    DO enjoy!
    ————————————————–

    So are you suggesting Democrats will abuse the rights given under the Patriot Act in ways that were not under the Bush Administration?

  48. fleettwood
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    blowjay makes a fairly serious charge and can’t back it up. SHOCKING!

  49. Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:57 am | Permalink
    I got a gaggle of disheartened cons hanging on my every word. nothing.

  50. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    SolDevVB
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:59 am | Permalink
    BlueJay
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:57 am | Permalink
    I got a gaggle of disheartened cons hanging on my every word. nothing.
    ==============

    LMFAO!

  51. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    I count us as 0-for-6 so far.

  52. StevenEDavis
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    A couple of George W. Bush signing statements:

    Pres. Bush issued these signing statement instructing federal agencies on his interpretation of Congressional laws:
    March 9, 2006:Justice Department officials must give reports to Congress by certain dates on how the FBI is using the USA Patriot Act to search homes and secretly seize papers.

    Bush’s signing statement: The president can order Justice Dept. officials to withhold any information from Congress if he decides it could impair national security or executive branch operations.

    Law passed by Congress on Dec. 30, 2005: When requested, scientific information ”prepared by government researchers shall be transmitted [to Congress] uncensored and without delay.”

    Bush’s signing statement: The president can tell researchers to withhold any information from Congress if he decides its disclosure could impair foreign relations, national security, or the workings of the executive branch.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/George_W__Bush_Civil_Rights.htm

    But, hey, we don’t know that anyone’s rights were abused, and mine certainly weren’t, therefore, there haven’t been any civil rights violated.

    Talk about your non sequitur…

    It’s fascinating that small government conservatives are so eager to give up their rights to the government, the ever growing government.

    Out for a while.

  53. beber
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    People who accuse others of being bafoons should learn to spell the world, Sol. That rather makes you a buffoon, don’t you think? And Clinton did nothing because for at least six years of his administration he was saddled with a Republican House composed of free market advocates who were trying to impeach him and impede his every move.

  54. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    Iran Rejects Obama’s Carrot and Stick Policy
    Monday, December 08, 2008

    (AP)

    TEHRAN, Iran — Iran has rejected a suggestion by U.S. President-elect Barack Obama that a carrot and stick policy of economic incentives and additional sanctions might persuade the Iranian government to change its behavior.
    —————————–

    Well, who’d of thunk it?

  55. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    World. W-O-R-L-D. World.

  56. fleettwood
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    “And Clinton did nothing…”

    At least you admit it.

  57. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    StevenEDavis
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:02 am | Permalink
    It’s fascinating that small government conservatives are so eager to give up their rights to the government, the ever growing government.
    —————————————————-
    Just about every conservative I know believe in a strong military and national security.

    “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

    Defending the Constituition of the United States has taken on new challenges in the era we live in.

  58. beber
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    Yes, Clinton did very little about energy policy. Any sane energy policy would have eroded his popularity. The reason we are in trouble now can mostly be blamed on ourselves, instead of presidents. We could have easily stopped the war in Iraq, for example, but at the time it was initiated, 80 percent of us were for it, willing to believe the unbelievable because of our fear and stupidity.

  59. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    STUDIES: Higher Murder Rates Related to Gun Laws

    States with softer gun laws have higher rates of handgun killings, fatal shootings of police officers, and sales of weapons that were used in crimes in other states, according to a study due out in January 2009. The study’s 38-page report, underwritten by a group of over 300 mayors and obtained by the Washington Post, focused on tracking guns used in crimes back to the retailers that first sold them.

    Based on an analysis of annual crime-gun data compiled by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the study found:

    • The 10 states with the highest export rates of guns used in crimes had nearly 60 percent more gun homicides than the 10 states with the lowest rates. The high-export states also had nearly three times as many fatal shootings of police officers.

    • 10 states supplied 57% of the guns that were used in crimes in other states in 2007.

    • States requiring background checks for handgun sales at gun shows have an export rate nearly half the national average. None of the 10 highest export states requires the checks, according to the report.

    • States requiring gun buyers to get a purchase permit have a lower export rate.

    (C. Thompson, “Report Links State Gun Laws To Rates of Slayings, Trafficking,” Washington Post, December 5, 2008; source: Mayors Against Illegal Guns).

  60. Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    Hell today is the anniversary of Clinton signing NAFTA. Yeah, let’s all celebrate. Thanx Billy.

  61. fleettwood
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    “We could have easily stopped the war in Iraq,…

    Wonder why you people didn’t cut the funding. You could have, but you didn’t. I wonder why.

  62. Boxlock20
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    “How about an impromptu poll of how many of us have had our civil liberties encroached upon?”

    I’m a NO also. But I am glad I haven’t been blow up or burned to death by terrorists.

  63. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    Illegal Guns

  64. CapnAmerica
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    Dear Herbert West the Third, Publisher, Journalist, and International Blogger–

    How’d running for sheriff work out for you?

  65. annie_moose
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    Defending the Constitution of the United States has taken on new challenges in the era we live in.

    what era is that?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WajQdbRsAac&feature=related

  66. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    Clinton was impeached in December of 1998 and acquitted by the Senate in February 1999. Nearly two full years remained in his second term at that point.
    The USS Cole bombing occurred in October of 2000.
    Response was little.

  67. Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    Yes, Clinton did very little about energy policy. Any sane energy policy would have eroded his popularity.

    So for democrats, popularity trumps policy. Got it. So in his second term, when he didn’t have to be ‘popular’ for another election bid…

  68. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    annie_moose
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:25 am | Permalink
    Defending the Constitution of the United States has taken on new challenges in the era we live in.

    what era is that?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WajQdbRsAac&feature=related
    ————————————————–

    I’m referring to an era of terrorism and what amounts to guerilla warfare. Nothing to do with equal rights.

  69. Boxlock20
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    “BlowJay….I like that fleettwood, ha ha, yes I like that a lot!
    Very appropo.
    BlowJay not only gets it wrong much of the time, he simply makes things up and lies when it serves his purpose.
    Oh, good morning BlowJay

  70. Phantom
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Clinton didn’t do much about the cole, because it wasn’t until bush’s term they knew for sure who was responsible. Then bush didn’t do anything.
    Guess if bill had invaded Iraq, you’d of been happy.

  71. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Phantom
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:34 am | Permalink
    Clinton didn’t do much about the cole, because it wasn’t until bush’s term they knew for sure who was responsible. Then bush didn’t do anything.
    Guess if bill had invaded Iraq, you’d of been happy.
    —————————————————-

    And what was found?
    Responsible parties were the same as the embassy bombings two years prior?
    Shouldn’t have been a stretch.

  72. beber
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    “Wonder why you people didn’t cut the funding. You could have, but you didn’t. I wonder why.”

    Because Bleatwood, the Pukes would have screamed about “not supporting the troops,” and there would not have been a Democratic landslide. They couldn’t risk it. It’s called “politics.” You do what is possible.

  73. beber
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    Hard to say how it would have played out had they cut the funding, though.

  74. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    Because Bleatwood, the Pukes would have screamed about “not supporting the troops,” and there would not have been a Democratic landslide. They couldn’t risk it. It’s called “politics.” You do what is possible.
    ————

    P*ssies.

  75. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    beber
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:41 am | Permalink
    “Wonder why you people didn’t cut the funding. You could have, but you didn’t. I wonder why.”

    Because Bleatwood, the Pukes would have screamed about “not supporting the troops,” and there would not have been a Democratic landslide. They couldn’t risk it. It’s called “politics.” You do what is possible.
    ————————————————–

    Then that they campaigned on lies in 2006.

  76. Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    the Pukes would have screamed about “not supporting the troops,” and there would not have been a Democratic landslide. They couldn’t risk it.

    So again, popularity trumps policy. Trumps the Dem’s values. Awesome. Thanx for pointing that out.

  77. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    Dem’s values
    ========

    ???

  78. HLP
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    In an effort to promote fairness and to counter unbeliveably biased and irrelevent statistics in a previous post by one of our resident bed-wetting liberals I offer this commentary from the WSJ online.

    Yours in fairness,

    Hank
    _______________________________________________

    Free Plaxico Burress

    New York City’s gun law is unconstitutional

    New York Giants star receiver Plaxico Burress is facing a mandatory 3« years in prison and the end of his football career. His crime? Not having a license, which New York City never would have issued him, for the exercise of his constitutional right to bear arms. To be sure, Mr. Burress got caught because of what appears to have been stupid and irresponsible behavior connected with the handgun. But he does not face prison for shooting himself. His impending mandatory sentence highlights the unfairness and unconstitutionality of New York City’s draconian gun laws.

    Mr. Burress had previously had a handgun carry permit issued by Florida, for which he was required to pass a fingerprint-based background check. As a player for the Giants, he moved to Totowa, N.J., where he kept a Glock pistol. And last Friday night, he reportedly went to the Latin Quarter nightclub in midtown Manhattan carrying the loaded gun in his sweatpants. Because New York state permits to possess or carry handguns are not issued to nonresidents, Mr. Burress could not apply for a New York City permit.

    At the nightclub, the handgun accidentally discharged, shooting Mr. Burress in the right thigh. He was not seriously injured, but he has been charged with criminal possession of a weapon in the second degree.

    It appears that he put the unholstered gun in the waistband of his sweatpants, and when it slipped, he grabbed for it, accidentally hitting the trigger. To make matters worse, according to press accounts, he was seen drinking and may have been consuming alcohol — which all firearms safety training (including the class he would have been required to take for his Florida permit) absolutely forbids for people handling guns. And of course Mr. Burress’s handgun should have been holstered to prevent unintentional movement of the trigger. Fortunately, his negligent discharge did not harm anyone else.

    Mr. Burress’s behavior was bad. However, Mr. Burress is not facing prosecution for carelessness, but simply for carrying a weapon. This is unjust and perhaps unconstitutional. The legal issues are a bit tangled, but here is the background:

    This summer, the Supreme Court ruled in District of Columbia v. Heller that the District’s handgun ban, and its ban on use of any firearm for self-defense in the home, violated the Second Amendment, which guarantees the individual right to bear arms. D.C. is a federal enclave, and the Court did not rule whether the Second Amendment applies to state and local governments. But as other cases reach it in the wake of Heller, it will.

    The Heller decision did not say that requiring a license to carry a gun was unconstitutional. But in New York State, nonresidents cannot even apply for the licenses to possess or carry a handgun. Unlike most other states, New York refuses to honor carry permits issued by sister states. Most observers believe that the Supreme Court will eventually make state and local governments obey the Second Amendment. If it does, New York’s discrimination against nonresidents will probably be ruled unconstitutional.

    And then there is the issue of the permitting process for residents. In 40 states, including Connecticut, law-abiding adults are issued permits once they pass a fingerprint-based background check and a safety class. In New Jersey, carry permits are virtually never issued. In New York City, carry permits are issued, but to applicants with some form of political clout rather than on the basis of his or her need for protection.

    The Second Amendment might not require New Jersey or New York City to issue as liberally as Connecticut does. But with a population of several million and only a few thousand (consisting mainly of politicians, retired police and celebrities) able to get permits, New York City’s licensing process is almost certainly unconstitutional on a number of grounds, including sheer arbitrariness.

    Some commentators contend that Plaxico Burress should have hired bodyguards, instead of carrying a gun himself. Mr. Burress might now agree. But people who aren’t as wealthy as he is also deserve to be safe, and they don’t have the money for bodyguards. New York City needs to regularize its carry permit system so that law-abiding people can protect themselves, especially if their circumstances (such as being a witness to a gang crime) place them at heightened risk.

    The Burress case also shows why mandatory sentences are a bad idea. He was careless but had no malign intent. Legislators and mayors like to appear tough by pushing through such draconian laws. Yet the victims are people like Mr. Burress whose conduct may have been improper, but who do not deserve the same sentences meted out to robbers and burglars.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122835270947177981.html

  79. FilmFan
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    “This kind of adulation should be reserved for those who bring others closer to God…..I don’t think John Lennon really did that,” – Father Julian Haas, former pastor of St. Joseph’s Church, Hays, KS – December 1980

    “The sexual revolution is a VERY mixed bag,” Richard Sipe – former Catholic priest and author – December 1999

    Twenty-eight years ago today, John Lennon was murdered by Mark Chapman, a deranged fan and overweight wannabe. The world was plunged into paroxysms of grief and mourning rarely observed since the assassination of John F. Kennedy seventeen years earlier.

    I remember that evening well. I was working late with colleagues at the student newspaper. Someone’s radio crackled with the tragic news. Shock and disbelief ensued – but the truth was irreversible – John Lennon, co-founder and resident genius of The Beatles, was dead. He left behind a wife (Yoko Ono) and a five-year-old son, Sean, to whom he was devoted and by whom his life had evidently been transformed.

    I agree – somewhat – with my former confessor’s disdainful view of 28 years ago. But I wouldn’t have uttered it during those anguished December days nearly 30 years ago. Nor do I agree that the wondrous musical output of the Beatles brought no one closer to God. I cannot agree with Father – because I cannot.

    I was only five when the Fab Four rocked the Ed Sullivan Show during several Sundays in 1964. I didn’t see those early programs, because my mother wouldn’t allow me to view them. The lads’ longish hair, rackish charm and undeniable charisma were deemed to incendiary to a prepubescent.

    But my late sister, then twelve, was riveted and infatuated – as were all her friends, cousins and every other teenage girl within twisting and shouting distance. Initially, I observed this ululating frenzy with scorn (”ee-yew! They’re boy-eez!”) But my views soon changed. And I remember the exact moment they changed.

    By December 1965, I had been suffering migraine headaches every 4-6 weeks. As anyone who’s dealt with this wretched condition is keenly aware, a migraine isn’t a “bad headache.” A migraine is an all-expense paid trip through the hubs of Hades. Now we have all sorts of wonderful elixirs to treat this scourge of mankind. Back then, all I got was orange-flavored children’s aspirin – which didn’t do s–t.

    My cousin Linda was turning 15 on that yuletide afternoon in ‘65, but I couldn’t attend. One of these harrowing headaches had struck that afternoon, and I was soon lying supine – screaming, crying and praying for deliverance. My late sister, then 13, strode into my sickroom. But she wasn’t alone. She held a copy of “Beatles ‘65″ and “Yesterday….and Today” in her arms.

    Normally quite hateful and abusive to her youngest sibling (until December 1974, anyway), my late sister inexplicably demonstrated a little-known quality – mercy. And excellent musical taste. At once, the shimmering chords of a little-known song exuded from our stereo: “You’re Gonna Lose That Girl.” As John Lennon sang lead amidst the stirring harmonies of his colleagues, something rather extraordinary happened – something that never happened again.

    Although still pain-racked, I was engrossed by the Beatles. I loved that song; moreover, this ardor allowed me to drift off to sleep as the last note sounded. That was rather nice, because my migraines always dissipated after sleep (and/or a trip to the loo to puke).

    That was the moment I “got it.” It was the moment I became a Beatles fan.

    Of course, I was only seven then, so I wasn’t infatuated with them as individuals. I simply loved their music. From “Rubber Soul” to “Revolver” to “Sgt. Pepper” to “Magical Mystery Tour” to the White Album to “Abbey Road” – I loved the Beatles’ incandescent songs.

    I differ from my former confessor here: I believe love is a spiritual quality. Put simply, what induces love, whether it’s another person or music or films or pets – brings one closer to spirituality. Even if a person is atheistic, that kind of love can’t help but enhance his or her life. Are my views simplistic? If they are, I couldn’t care less.

    However, I agree with Father Julian that Mr. Lennon probably wasn’t worthy of the fawning sycophancy he received. As a musician and author – yes. As a man – no. Sadly, I’ve read too many tomes attesting to The Intellectual Beatle’s morbid drug abuse, massive egotism, despicable neglect of his first son and first wife, and brutal treatment of others.

    But a new biography by Philip Norman (author of the much-praised “Shout! The Beatles in Their Generation” published in 1981 sheds some slightly more sympathetic light on the late musician. There’s no sugar-coating to be found, but some quotes by Ms. Ono are somewhat evocative, although I’ve never been a fan of hers.

    Simply put: The above-mentioned quote by Richard Sipe is right on the money. Ono quotes her late husband thusly: “John said that, as long as women can’t separate sex and love like men do, they can never be emancipated.”

    What the #$%^? This exuding from the raw genius who brought us “A Day in the Life”, “And Your Bird Can Sing”, “Yer Blues,” “Across the Universe”, “Nowhere Man,” and on and on.

    If this is what “emancipation” is – count me out. Emancipation – for any person, is freedom from cruelty and tyranny. Not turning men and women into clones of one another.

    For six and a half years, from late 1974 until the spring of 1981, I prayed for deliverance every day – freedom from unrelenting emotional pain, freedom from agonizing loss and sadness, freedom from the gangrene rot which seemed to have overtaken my heart. But for one thing I never beseeched the Almighty.

    I never said, “Please turn me into a man.”

    Ono includes another quote which buttresses my long-held belief that men are victims of sexual ignorance just as are women. It’s both sad and common and heart-rending and predictable. But this horses–t about women needing to become men leaves me cold.

    I’ve never admired Ms. Ono all that much, but perhaps I’ve been unfair. Lennon admitted with alacrity that he as well as said to his beloved, “”Scuse me luv, instead of givin’ (a) piece a chawnce this evenin’ – how ’bout serving up me bools on a silver plattah? That’d be gear.”

    Thus, we probably shouldn’t unduly blame the oriental emasculator for complying – especially if there was something($$$) in it for her.

    I don’t know if Father Julian was a music fan – or if he ever suffered from migraines. I tend to think not. I remember this plucky cleric fondly for many favorable qualities. But this perceptible disdain on his part probably wasn’t warranted.

    Thankfully, my last migraine occurred in 1972 – right around the time my father was dribbling his last Drambuie. But I’ll never forget the overpowering relief I experienced that snowy day in 1965. I missed my cousin Linda’s birthday party, but I gained something even more precious.

    I became a Beatles fan that day. I fell in love with Lennon’s raw genius, and that has never left me. As a man, he doesn’t command abiding respect.

    But as a musician and sixties pioneer, he was a legend.

    Peace to his spirit.

  80. beber
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    Not really, Sol, for the next two years at least, all policy will be iniated by the Democrats, who will also manipulate public opinion, just like the Pukes did shamelessly when they were in power. You have to remember, a war isn’t over in 15 minutes, and you can’t win battles without troops.

  81. Phantom
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    The guy’s not even president yet, and he’s already impacting the markets, nice Obama rally going on. Bush needs to step out of the way and say he’ll spend his remaining term back at crawford!
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Dow-gains-300-as-investors-apf-13771998.html

  82. beber
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    Continuing to fund the war was a strategic retreat for many Democrats.

  83. Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    So then they did run on lies in 2006. Their progress (on anything) seems to seal that fate. Popularity over ploicy. Great party you support.

  84. Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    Continuing to fund the war was a strategic retreat

    So they never intended to uphold their ‘06 campaign promises. Great party there.

  85. Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    The guy’s not even president yet, and he’s already impacting the markets, nice Obama rally going on.

    Will you also assign him blame when the market goes back down? Regulation… yeah, the markets just love regulation.

    The pipe dream begins.

  86. Grateful_Dave
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    American Justice !!!!

    By Lis Wiehl
    FOX News Legal Analyst

    The case of Clarence Aaron, a one-time college student whose involvement in a 1993 cocaine deal got him three life sentences in federal prison, is a case study in what can go wrong in the criminal justice system.

    Clarence Aaron (Frontline/WGBH Educational Foundation)

    In going after drug dealers prosecutors are supposed to work on the “pyramid” theory, that is that they get the little guys or the middle men on the bottom of the pyramid to snitch out the guy above them in the drug crime ladder.

    A case study in what can go wrong in the criminal justice system.

    Those guys, in turn , snitch above them and so it goes, leaving the ringleaders at the top of the pyramid to do the heavy time.

    But that’s not what happened here. Instead, a 23-year-old junior in college with no criminal history, introduces two drug dealers to each other –and he winds up with the three life sentences while the dealers are either out of prison or close to getting out.

    Aaron, who had just lost his main source of support for school (his grandfather died) got $1,500 for his trouble. To add insult to injury, a year after Aaron was sentenced Congress passed a law exempting first time offenders (which Aaron was) from mandatory drug sentences. But that law is not retroactive.

    I’m not condoning what Aaron did but he has served 15 years.

    This guy just couldn’t catch a break. President Bush should give him that break. Now I’m not condoning what Aaron did but he has served 15 years. That’s enough time for one bad mistake, especially when the guys higher up the drug crime ladder are already out. Bush has absolute authority to grant a pardon before he leaves office. He should use that authority here.

  87. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    Today’s gains probably have more to do with this than anything.
    It’s a bunch of crap.

    http://www.kansas.com/business/updates/story/624070.html

  88. annie_moose
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    One cold winter morning I went to my car parked in driveway to get something and I caught the neighbor kid going through my glove compartment. To teach the kid a lesson I called the cops on him. The first thing they asked me, was the car locked?

    Gentle readers you may ask annie wtf does this have to do with anything? Well if the man had locked up the cockpit on his airplanes we probably would not be having this conversation. If the man would have followed through with Charlie Wilsons war we also would not be having this conversation.

    America is a land of soft targets grain silos, water treatment plants, food processing centers endless opportunities for terrorists to bring us to our knees. Our borders are porus if the evil terrorists really want to destroy us they can. So don’t worry be happy!

  89. lindainks55
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    Good to read you, FilmFan! Glad you’re back posting.

  90. XXX
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    The Supreme Court has turned down an emergency appeal from a New Jersey man who says President-elect Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because he was a British subject at birth.
    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/politics/wire/chi-obama-birth-certificate1dec08,0,5873179.story

    Maybe the SCOTUS doesn’t want to interfere in another presidential election after the stink from 2000.

    Poor Repubs just can’t catch a break.

  91. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    The Birth Certificate crowd doesn’t speak for me.
    Does everyone in your party speak for you?

  92. Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    Poor Repubs just can’t catch a break.

    Heh, the interesting thing is that if the Supreme Court had actually adopted all of this nut’s positions, it would have disqualified John McCain and the Socialist candidate as well.

    Hello President Nader! :)

  93. XXX
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    Mr_Kia
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:36 am | Permalink
    The Birth Certificate crowd doesn’t speak for me.

    Possibly not. But you all seem the same to me.

    Like candybars, some are just nuttier than others.

  94. DavidB
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Obama’s mama was a Kansas woman. Crazies run amok trying to pverturn the will of he American voters.

  95. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    XXX
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 12:03 pm | Permalink
    Mr_Kia
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Possibly not. But you all seem the same to me.

    —————————————————-
    How enlightened. Do all “coloreds” look the same to you too? LOL

  96. American_Way
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    “nice Obama rally going on…..”

    Interesting observation Phantom. Now what are you going to post when the markets go back down (as they always inevitably do)?

    Will that be a nice Obama crash???????????

  97. American_Way
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    maybe a “nice Obama correction….”

  98. American_Way
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    “nice Obama rally going on…..”

    And Phantom, what the heck do you call what’s been happening since 4 November?

    NASDAQ down
    NYSE down
    RUSSELL 2000 down
    DJIA down
    S&P 500 down
    AMEX down

    All of these markets are down between 6 and 12 percent since their close on 4 November.

  99. Predestined
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    Think of all John Lennon could have written. Think of what he did write.

    Imagine there’s no Heaven
    It’s easy if you try
    No hell below us
    Above us only sky
    Imagine all the people
    Living for today

    Imagine there’s no countries
    It isn’t hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no religion too
    Imagine all the people
    Living life in peace

    You may say that I’m a dreamer
    But I’m not the only one
    I hope someday you’ll join us
    And the world will be as one

    Imagine no possessions
    I wonder if you can
    No need for greed or hunger
    A brotherhood of man
    Imagine all the people
    Sharing all the world

    You may say that I’m a dreamer
    But I’m not the only one
    I hope someday you’ll join us
    And the world will live as one

  100. Grateful_Dave
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Scientists Endorse “Brain Boost” Drugs: Beginning of End of Drug War?
    Maia Szalavitz

    I have long argued, sometimes jokingly, that the solution to many drug policy problems is better drugs. If a drug was developed that did not produce physical dependence, did not create an escalating desire for more that interfered with work or love, reliably produced a high and was not physically harmful to the brain or other organs, it would be difficult to make a case that its use should be criminalized.
    Today in the leading scientific journal Nature, researchers argue that drugs that “boost the brain” should similarly be permitted if they are safe and effective. Here’s where it gets interesting: many drugs that boost the brain also produce a high.
    Amphetamine is a classic example: it can improve performance on certain tests and can certainly allow performance to continue under circumstances where exhaustion would otherwise curtail it. Amphetamine, of course, is still a problematic drug that can be addictive and is toxic to the brain in high doses.

    Today’s Nature editorial, however, also argues against criminalizing youth who are already, in fact, using stimulants like amphetamine and the similar ADHD drug Ritalin for enhancement.
    But what if there were a safe drug that could make you both smarter and happier? Some would argue that it would be wrong to allow use of this drug in academia, because it would give its users an unfair advantage.
    However, some people are already genetically and environmentally blessed with brains that work more effectively than others. Why is using this drug any different than have those advantages? One doesn’t choose one’s parents, after all.
    If the activity being “enhanced,” is say, finding a cure for cancer or Alzheimer’s, if a safe drug can allow researchers to get there faster, who is hurt? We all benefit if doctors find cures more quickly, if scientists find green energy solutions faster and teachers become more effective at helping kids learn. It’s not like a race in which there are only winners and losers–if we improve human cognition overall, we can enrich everyone.
    There are arguments to be made against such drugs. One is that they will enhance inequality, because those who can afford them will now have even greater advantages than those who cannot. But this is true for being able to afford other types of enhancement like tutors and computers–and we don’t ban those.
    A second possible downside is that permitting use of such medications will put intolerable pressure on those who don’t wish to take them to do so, just to keep up with everyone else. Again, the same is true for computers and tutors–and again, we permit those.
    Of course, real drugs as opposed to hypothetical ones do carry risks, some of which will be unknown when they are introduced. For example, one might imagine a drug that increases certain cognitive skills–but with a simultaneous trade-off in reduced emotional intelligence. Or vice versa. Where the rubber hits the road with cognitive enhancement will be in which types of intelligence we are able to enhance and at what cost. “Safe” after all, is relative–nothing is completely safe.

  101. XXX
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Mr_Kia
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 12:18 pm | Permalink
    XXX
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 12:03 pm | Permalink
    Mr_Kia
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Possibly not. But you all seem the same to me.

    —————————————————-
    How enlightened. Do all “coloreds” look the same to you too? LOL
    ________________________________________________

    Why would you bring color into this?

    Another conservative racist.
    What a surprise.

  102. American_Way
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Here’s an inside secret to what is sure to become a very hot job in the near future. The demand is already increasing:

    Statue artists
    Statue decor
    Scuplture
    master builders

    Busts of Obama, engravings, statues, and even photography photo’s to grace fireplace mantels.

    You thought plastic Jesus and Mary in a bathtub was popular………

  103. Posted December 8, 2008 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    At this point, I might note that Kia actually was the first person to bring up the birth certificate nonsense on this thread.

    But I suppose an inability to distinguish between dumb challenges to Obama’s election is understandable, as they’re all equally dumb.

  104. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    Rage
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 1:00 pm | Permalink
    At this point, I might note that Kia actually was the first person to bring up the birth certificate nonsense on this thread.
    —————————————————-
    Actually that was in response the High Courts ruling on the so-called “challenge.”
    But thanks for playing.

  105. Posted December 8, 2008 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    Here’s an inside secret to what is sure to become a very hot job in the near future.

    Uhm, right. A better idea is to cash in while you can, because the market for that kind of schwag will drop off a cliff once the historic period has passed. All the more so because the notion that there’s a great (let alone increasing) demand for such things is moronic in the first place.

    When people are cutting back on food, buying an Obama t-shirt isn’t high on the list.

  106. Posted December 8, 2008 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    Actually that was in response the High Courts ruling on the so-called “challenge.”
    But thanks for playing.

    . . .which had absolutely nothing to do with the birth certificate nonsense. But you obviously didn’t know that, and if you don’t take that silly stuff seriously enough to get the details, that’s cool with me!

  107. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    Rage
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 1:11 pm | Permalink
    Actually that was in response the High Courts ruling on the so-called “challenge.”
    But thanks for playing.

    . . .which had absolutely nothing to do with the birth certificate nonsense. But you obviously didn’t know that, and if you don’t take that silly stuff seriously enough to get the details, that’s cool with me!
    ————————————————–

    I didn’t read the link. I didn’t know there was more than one lawsuit regarding his citzenship. Either way, they’re both a waste of resources.

  108. Posted December 8, 2008 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    I didn’t know there was more than one lawsuit regarding his citzenship.

    As far as I know, no lawyer has filed anything on the birth certificate BS yet (it’s so patently meritless, it could probably be grounds for disbarment). But I could be wrong.

  109. mrcontroversy
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Too bad nobody at the Eagle is answering their phones right now… I just came across a juicy little story… and I am very p’d at a certain local politician right now (more so than I was before).

  110. American_Way
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    “When people are cutting back on food, buying an Obama t-shirt isn’t high on the list.”

    Rage, ordinarily, I would agree with you on this. But this is a strange place in American history.

    We are in an “official” recession now.

    But yet, Black Friday, the stores reported robust sales. Internet sales are still booming too.

    I see people driving in cars. Expensive cars.
    The cell phone market has not dropped. Many 12 year olds will be getting one in their stockings.

    Cable TV subscriptions, internet cable, internet dish, sales are booming.

    I tried to buy a special rifle, but they are out of stock. This particular item is a 2,000 dollar weapon. Thousands of them were bought.

    Traffic is still bumper-to-bumper in the big cities on the commute to and from work.

    Target, Walmart, KMart, all are packed with holiday shoppers.

    Where’s the repression? Interesting and new times we are all living through and experiencing.
    My values would match yours here on what the priorities should be.

    Not seeing that from my little neck of the woods.

  111. American_Way
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    “mrcontroversy
    I just came across a juicy little story…”

    How can you continue to call yourself “mr controversy” if you don’t share your story with all of us!

    Come on! I love gossip! Stir the pot man.

  112. donndublin
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    • Rage
    Posted December 6, 2008 at 7:48 pm | Permalink
    KFG, I’m thinking ICTisInferior was the 32-year-old, but I could be wrong.
    So, “DonDublin,” Mr. Engineer:
    Let W be a weight suspended from a ceiling by three strings of length L so that the points of attachment form an equilateral triangle of side S. If the weights of the various strings are negligible, then the tension T in the three strings is given by
    T = W
    ————–
    3 * sqrt(1-S²/3L²)
    Show that for fixed values of S and L, T is an increasing function of W.
    Shoudl be a piece o’ cake for you!

    The T, of course, is not in the numerator

    ************************************************************************
    Don’t be so lazy Kfg and go look it up. I didn’t say that.

    Rage,
    Tension = Weight divided by 3 times the square root of (1 minus side squared divided by the length of 3strings squared)
    Though I am not a mechanical engineer and it’s been more than 30 years since I studied statics “the branch of mechanics with the analysis of loads (force, torque/moment) on physical systems in equilibrium” and it’s been more than 25 years since I studied deferential logarithms, I find you problem ambiguous.

    Either you are tying a trick question or you have miss-copied it. The “S” in the equation is not clearly defined. I can only assume that “S” is the length of the sides of the triangle since the equation gives the number of sides to be 3 (equilateral triangle). I really doubt you know what you are asking. You either did a google search for a physics problem or you asked a physics geek to come up with an obscure problem that only geeks are familiar with.

    “Show that for fixed values of S and L, T is an increasing function of W.”

    However, the answer to the problem is easy. Since the only variables in the equation are fixed, the tension will always be an increasing (or decreasing) function of the weight in direct proportions.

  113. Posted December 8, 2008 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    The New York Times explains:

    * For many chains, the precipitous sales drops that took hold in September and October got worse, not better, in November, despite relatively strong sales in the few days after Thanksgiving.
    * The International Council of Shopping Centers, an industry group, described November’s figures as the weakest in more than 35 years. Declines were recorded in every retail segment the group tracks, with the biggest coming from department stores, with sales down 13.3 percent compared with November a year ago, and specialty apparel retailers, down 10.4 percent.

    http://www.wallstrip.com/2008/12/05/black-friday-worst-in-35-years/

  114. Phantom
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Well KIA your link wouldn’t explain why asian stocks rallied yesterday after Obama released information on what he intends to do to get the economy running.

    What’s happened since Nov. 4 is Obama has realizied he has to fill the presidential vacuum, and has trotted out Team Obama. Most of the increase since Nov. 4 has come since the last couple weeks when Obama stepped up to the plate.

  115. Posted December 8, 2008 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    However, the answer to the problem is easy. Since the only variables in the equation are fixed, the tension will always be an increasing (or decreasing) function of the weight in direct proportions.

    That’s a hand-waving argument, useless in practice. Whatever.

    it’s been more than 25 years since I studied deferential logarithms, I find you problem ambiguous.

    And what are “deferential logarithms”? Is that something like “submissive exponents”?

    Yeah, you’re an engineer, all right. Uh huh.

  116. Pleefer
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Bluejay:
    Hey, I’m cool with it.
    ALL those powers that bush accumulated to the Executive?
    They will be safely in Democratic hands now!
    DO enjoy!

    Man, if Obama was as progressive and capable of Change® as he claims, he would rescind all of the evil papers that Bush signed.

  117. Pleefer
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    Hate to say it…so I’ll refrain.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081208/pl_politico/16292

  118. Pleefer
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    snicker…

  119. Pleefer
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/07/fzgps.01.html

  120. donndublin
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    • cosmos_originally
    Posted December 6, 2008 at 1:31 pm | Permalink
    whatever.
    Those people would laugh at your insistence that a vaguely worded mail and online petition signed by NON-scientists = scientific methodology.
    __________________________________________________

    Cos,
    More than 9000 of those who signed the petition have PhD’s. The petition originated more than 10 years ago so of course some have died and all will die eventually. Do you think Isaac Newton is a “NON-scientist” as well?

    If you’re going to argue the validity of the petition, then read the scientific arguments then rebut the facts and don’t try to kill the messenger. You might want to reveal your qualifications if you want any credibility with me.

    Just for the sake of argument. Since 95% of all CO2 emissions are from water evaporation and 4.5% comes from plant life, with man and animals accounting for the remaining 0.5%, how can man have any significant effect of the total?

    or try:

    The rise in CO2 lags behind the rise in temperatures mostly caused by increased evaporation. Can you disprove that?

  121. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Phantom
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 1:58 pm | Permalink
    Well KIA your link wouldn’t explain why asian stocks rallied yesterday after Obama released information on what he intends to do to get the economy running.

    What’s happened since Nov. 4 is Obama has realizied he has to fill the presidential vacuum, and has trotted out Team Obama. Most of the increase since Nov. 4 has come since the last couple weeks when Obama stepped up to the plate.
    ————————————————–
    The dow has been as high as 9600 just prior to November 4.
    When he gets things above 10,000 we can talk.
    Right now it seems to be daytraders going back and forth.

  122. Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    dondublin, tell me what you remember about “deferential logthrithms.” Do they differ from natural logarithms, or base-10 logarithms? What are they used for? Who are they deferring to?

  123. Regular
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    donndublin,

    cosmos can’t do science he does hyperlinks.

  124. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Rage, are you hung up on a spelling error?

  125. Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    Rage, are you hung up on a spelling error?

    Of course. I’m hung up on obvious ignorance of some very basic things from someone claiming to be an engineer.

    “Differential logarithms” would have been just as silly and irrelevant a reference.

  126. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    Oh snap!

    F-18 Crashes Into San Diego Residential Neighborhood: Watch Live

    http://www.foxnews.com/video2/live.html?chanId=1

  127. donndublin
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    rage,

    differential logarithms are obviously way over your head and might cause it to implode.

    “submissive exponents” are just more of your ambiguity.

  128. Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    differential logarithms are obviously way over your head and might cause it to implode.

    Uhm, right, donny! But how can you understand differential anything when you obviously don’t even grasp first-semester calculus?

    Let’s keep it ridiculously simple.

    Take a basic mathematical function in two dimensions, the reciprocal: y = 1/x. What is the area underneath the curve from x=0 to x=4? Again, first semester calculus.

  129. Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    Rage–

    Looks like DonDublin has never been to Dublin.

    Nor is he much of an engineer.

  130. Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    Sanitation engineer, maybe.

  131. fleettwood
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    “Sanitation engineer, maybe.”

    I don’t think slamming democrats is helpful.

  132. Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Killed-in-Action says, “How about an impromptu poll of how many of us have had our civil liberties encroached upon?

    “I’m a NO.”

    *********

    Actually, you’re a YES, KIA. And so is everybody else that gets information from the news media.

    Since BushCo. started illegally spying (i.e., phone tapping) without warrants, potential news sources and whistleblowers have refused to come forward, knowing that they cannot be kept anonymous and will be punished for telling the truth.

    It’s true that someone who is as ignorant as KIA and ANTI are not targets of gov’t spying. But that doesn’t mean that we don’t suffer when de facto CENSORSHIP is carried out under the pretext of “keeping us safe.”

  133. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    1.386

  134. HLP
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    area under the curve = ifinity

    the zero screws it up

  135. Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    “I don’t think slamming democrats is helpful.”

    I agree, BDP Fleetie.

    Can I quote you on that?

  136. fleettwood
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    “But that doesn’t mean that we don’t suffer when de facto CENSORSHIP is carried out under the pretext of “keeping us safe.””

    Weak. Should we put you down for a no?

  137. fleettwood
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Quote me.

  138. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Hank is correct. I was figuring x=1-x=4.

  139. Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    How Dick Cheney made 36 million dollars at Halliburton:

    U.S military contractor KBR, a former subisidary of Halliburton, is facing a number of lawsuits over its activities in Iraq, and elsewhere.

    KBR is the largest contractor for the United States Army and a top-ten contractor for the U.S. Department of Defense.

    In one class-action suit Joshua Eller, a civilian who worked for the U.S. Air Force in 2006 at the Balad air force base northeast of Baghdad, alleges KBR ‘knowingly and intentionally supplied to U.S. forces and other individuals food that was expired, spoiled, rotten, or that may have been contaminated with shrapnel, or other materials’.

    KBR ’supplied water which was contaminated, untreated, and unsafe’, Eller charged, detailing a number of examples.

  140. donndublin
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    rage,

    I’m not here to recite something I learned three decades ago. “Differential logarithms” deal with exponential and linear extensions. So much of it is irrelevant to my line of work.

    What do you know about engineering? Then let me throw you a few questions.

  141. Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    Anybody know how Herbert West III did in his race for sheriff?

    He’s apparently not interested in saying . . .

  142. Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    area under the curve = ifinity

    the zero screws it up

    Heh, amusing, but also wrong, Hank. It does in fact have a finite, real answer, and would be trivially easy for real engineer.

  143. fleettwood
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    “Anybody know how Herbert West III did in his race for sheriff?”

    At least he tried.

  144. Posted December 8, 2008 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    Oh, right, you’re right

  145. Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Give Hank a brownie. I hadn’t computed the answer.

  146. Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    Actually, though I’m thinking the asymptote converges (been a while here, too).

    Hank, what do you think?

  147. Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    For don’s benefit, change x=0 to x=1.

  148. Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    P.S. Yanking your chain, Hankie!

    You were in fact wrong! Sorry!

  149. Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    ANTI got x=1 correct. Give that man a brownie!

    My area is computer science, but fire at will, don!

  150. HLP
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    I’ve got an interesting problem, two little skunks in my live trap.

    Two ways to remove them, I’m going to try the hard way tonight, release them live.

    Wish me luck!

  151. Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    P.S. Yanking your chain, Hankie!

    You were in fact wrong! Sorry!

    Oops, it doesn’t converge. My bad. Give Hank an A.

  152. Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    Wish me luck!

    Good luck, Hank.

  153. Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Two new studies suggest that substances usually associated with dulling the mind — marijuana and red wine — may help ward off Alzheimer’s disease and other forms of age-related memory loss. Their addition comes as another study dethrones folk remedy ginkgo biloba as proof against the disease.

    At a November meeting of the Society of Neuroscience in Washington, D.C., researchers from Ohio State University reported that THC, the main psychoactive substance in the cannabis plant, may reduce inflammation in the brain and even stimulate the formation of new brain cells.

    Meanwhile, in the Nov. 21 issue of the Journal of Biological Chemistry, neurologist David Teplow of the University of California, Los Angeles reported that polyphenols — naturally occurring components of red wine — block the formation of proteins that build the toxic plaques thought to destroy brain cells. In addition, these substances can reduce the toxicity of existing plaques, thus reducing cognitive deterioration.

    Together, the studies suggest scientists are gaining a clearer understanding of the mechanics of memory deterioration and discovering some promising approaches to prevention.

    Previous research has suggested that polyphenols — which are found in high concentrations in tea, nuts and berries, as well as cabernets and merlots — may inhibit or prevent the buildup of toxic fibers in the brain. These fibers, which are primarily composed of two specific proteins, form the plaques that have long been associated with Alzheimer’s disease.

  154. donndublin
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Rage,
    Once again you problem is ambiguous. It depends on what kind of curve you’re talking about. Is it a circular curve with a consistent radius or a spiral curve with an increasing or decreasing radius? It could also be a parabolic curve or hyperbolic curve. All we do these days, is plot it into an Autocadd program draw polyline around it and do a list command.
    Nice try but I’m not going to play into your game.

  155. HLP
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    #
    Rage
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    Actually, though I’m thinking the asymptote converges (been a while here, too).

    Hank, what do you think?
    ___________________________________________
    If it does, it ain’t, so no I don’t.

  156. brian_nuevo
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    Next on WEBlog:

    Spelling Bee!

  157. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    Two ways to remove them, I’m going to try the hard way tonight, release them live.
    =============

    You are a brave man Hank. Buy lots of tomato juice!

  158. Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Once again you problem is ambiguous. It depends on what kind of curve you’re talking about.

    I just gave you the equation for the curve, genius. I notice Hank and ANTI had no problem with it. In fact, I screwed up by not checking the answer beforehand.

    All we do these days, is plot it into an Autocadd program draw polyline around it and do a list command.

    I see. Heh, let’s see that engineering question, Einstein.

  159. brian_nuevo
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    “ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:26 pm | Permalink
    Two ways to remove them, I’m going to try the hard way tonight, release them live.
    =============

    You are a brave man Hank. Buy lots of tomato juice!”

    Or a black cat and a can of white paint (a la pepe le pew)

  160. Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    http://cbs11tv.com/local/bush.new.house.2.880810.html

    Unbelievable, but true!

    Bush and wife move to Dallas neighborhood infamous for EXCLUDING BLACKS.

    Even as he leaves office, he continues to appall . . .

  161. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    All we do these days, is plot it into an Autocadd program draw polyline around it and do a list command.
    ——————–

    Anymore I use AutoCad to solve most of my math problems. Why? Because it is easy and I am just that damned lazy.

  162. Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Next on WEBlog:

    Spelling Bee!

    Sorry . . . .

    But I find it more entertaining than the 1001th argument on global warming. . .

  163. donndublin
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    Rage,

    “How many computer geeks does it take to change a light bulb?”

  164. Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    Hank–

    You should send the animals to Obama.

    He alread successfully got the skunks out of Al Gore’s house . . . 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, DC.

  165. Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    DonD–

    How many computer geeks does it take to expose a Blog liar?

    Just one, apparently.

  166. HLP
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    But I find it more entertaining than the 1001th argument on global warming. . .
    ________________________________________

    Global warming!!!!

    Is the damn globe heating up again?

    I thought Big Al fixed that when he was VP!

  167. Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    “How many computer geeks does it take to change a light bulb?”

    What, you mean it’s dark in here?

  168. Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    Just one, apparently.

    Heh, thanks, Capn!

    Take yer time with the engineering question, don. I have other things to do, but I’ll check back.

  169. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    Rage,

    You shouldn’t expect much from donndublin — he believes that science is done by online and mail-in petitions.

  170. fleettwood
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    ““How many computer geeks does it take to change a light bulb?””

    None. His mother does it for him.

  171. Phantom
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    When Hank and the skunk converge, who will be the firt to disperse?

  172. fleettwood
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    The skunk stunk, made Hank rank.
    Burma Shave

  173. donndublin
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    #
    Rage
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    I just gave you the equation for the curve, genius. I notice Hank and ANTI had no problem with it. In fact, I screwed up by not checking the answer beforehand.

    I see. Heh, let’s see that engineering question,
    Einstein.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    “the reciprocal: y = 1/x.”

    This only defines it as reciprocal. This is not the equation for a curve of any kind. All Hank and ANTI did was substitute the variables in a simple math problem. This is not a calculus problem.

    You are way over your head so you’d better quit before you make a complete idiot of yourself and stick with changing light bulbs.

  174. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    What an impressive climate scientist! /huge sarcasm OFF

    ‘Art Robinson’
    http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1067

  175. HLP
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    hehehe

    1002

  176. Posted December 8, 2008 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    This is not the equation for a curve of any kind.

    Heh, dondublin, surrealist!

    http://www.artinthepicture.com/paintings/Rene_Magritte/This-Is-Not-A-Pipe/

    You just don’t know when to give up, do you?

    http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Algebra/Function_Graphing

  177. donndublin
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    Rage,
    “Take yer time with the engineering question, don. I have other things to do, but I’ll check back.”
    __________________________________________________

    Since you’re not an engineer, I’d only be wasting my time asking you anything remotely close to that. You don’t know the difference between a curve and a reciprocal and ff I gave you a question, you would just do a google search to find the answer.

    Unlike you, I’m not foolish enough to swim in waters that are over my head.

    You don’t even know the answer to the riddle…
    “How many computer geeks does it take to change a light bulb?”

    Answer: None, it’s a hardware problem.

    It looks like you’re one who is lying.

  178. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    Cosmos,

    “The DeSmogBlog team is led by Jim Hoggan, founder of James Hoggan & Associates, one of Canada’s leading public relations firms.”

    PR firms are not reputable to speak on climate science.

  179. Posted December 8, 2008 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    Unlike you, I’m not foolish enough to swim in waters that are over my head.

    You already have, and it’s apparent that even college algebra is over your head. And what’s so great is you did it to yourself!

    I’m actually feeling a little cruel at this point, but I’m keeping in mind some of your own wonderful posts. :)

  180. donndublin
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    #
    cosmos_originally
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    Rage,

    You shouldn’t expect much from donndublin — he believes that science is done by online and mail-in petitions.
    _________________________________________________

    Cos,

    Reg is right. You can’t refute the facts because you wouldn’t know science if it were a baseball bat smacking you in the head.

    You’re just another copy and paste queen.

  181. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    donndublin posted December 8, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    “How many computer geeks does it take to change a light bulb?”

    Answer: None, it’s a hardware problem.

    It looks like you’re one who is lying.
    ——————-
    LOL! Computer geeks do hardware. Check out their mods to overclock CPU’s, etc.

  182. Posted December 8, 2008 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    P.S. That supposedly non-existent curve of the reciprocal function:

    http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Image:Y%3D1divided_by_x.PNG

  183. Posted December 8, 2008 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    LOL! Computer geeks do hardware. Check out their mods to overclock CPU’s, etc.

    Thanks, cos. I didn’t think that deserved an answer.
    And any software developer who doesn’t take the hardware into account is screwed.

  184. HLP
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    Times Co. to borrow against building

    By Richard Pérez-Peña

    Published: December 8, 2008

    The New York Times Company plans to borrow up to $225 million against its mid-Manhattan headquarters building, to ease a potential cash flow squeeze as the company grapples with tighter credit and shrinking profits.

    The company has retained Cushman & Wakefield, the real estate firm, to act as its agent to secure financing, either in the form of a mortgage or a sale-leaseback arrangement, said James Follo, the Times Company’s chief financial officer.

    The Times Company owns 58 percent of the 52-story, 1.5 million-square-foot tower on Eighth Avenue, which was designed by the architect Renzo Piano, and completed last year. The developer Forest City Ratner owns the rest of the building. The Times Company’s portion of the building is not currently mortgaged, and some investors have complained that the company has too much of its capital tied up in that real estate.

    The company has two revolving lines of credit, each with a ceiling of $400 million, roughly the amount outstanding on the two combined. One of those lines is set to expire in May, and finding a replacement would be difficult given the economic climate and the company’s worsening finances. Analysts have said for months that selling or borrowing against assets would be the company’s best option for averting a cash flow problem next year.

    Standard & Poor’s recently lowered its credit rating on the Times Company below investment grade, and Moody’s Investors Service has said it was considering a similar move. Times Company stock, which has lost more than half its value this year, closed on Friday at $7.64, down 30 cents. More Articles in Business » A version of this article appeared in print on December 8, 2008, on page B2 of the New York edition.
    _________________________________________

    hehehe

    The ‘Obama Times’ is bankrupt!

  185. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    donndublin,

    Have you been hit many times in the head with a baseball bat?

    Why can’t you understand the obvious difference between scientific methodology, and the old, vaguely-worded, bogus OISM petition?

  186. donndublin
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Rage,

    Keep on demonstrating how mathematically you challenged are. The algebra link you gave is more like high school algebra. If you insist on a math problem, here’s a general question for you.

    What are the different angular units used in the Cartesian coordinate system?

  187. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    ANTI posted December 8, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    PR firms are not reputable to speak on climate science.
    ————————–

    They are especially qualified, because they understand the tactics used to effectively spread misinformation and propaganda.

    Explained here,

    Slamming the Climate Skeptic Scam
    http://www.desmogblog.com/slamming-the-climate-skeptic-scam

  188. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Sorry Cosmos,

    I suffer from acute ADD and I lost interest about 90 seconds ago.

  189. fleettwood
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    I suffer from acute ADD and I lost inte

  190. donndublin
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    #
    Rage
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    P.S. That supposedly non-existent curve of the reciprocal function:

    http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Image:Y%3D1divided_by_x.PNG
    ___________________________________________________

    Rage,

    You really don’t get it do you? The only thing you’ve proved is that you know how to copy and paste. The problem you gave earlier failed to define the graph you just gave.

    A question for you. What kind of curve does the graph represent?

  191. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    donndublin,

    How many degrees is “catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere”?

  192. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    I blame my hippie parents for the ADD.

  193. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    How many degrees is “catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere”?
    ————————–

    1 more than 1000 degrees…..it’s a math question.

  194. Posted December 8, 2008 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    What are the different angular units used in the Cartesian coordinate system?

    Oh, a pocket calculator question.

    That would be Degrees (push), Radians (push), Gradients (push).

    Then back to Degrees again. Yawn . . .

  195. Posted December 8, 2008 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    A question for you. What kind of curve does the graph represent?

    Hyperbola.

    Dork.

  196. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    donndublin,

    What amount of time is the “foreseeable future”?

  197. Regular
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    Ah cosmos and his questions…

    Of course, cosmos avoids answering tough questions like the plague as he does not know the answer.

  198. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    ANTI posted December 8, 2008 at 4:59 pm
    How many degrees is “catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere”?
    ————

    1 more than 1000 degrees…..it’s a math question.
    ——————-

    No, it’s an OISM petition question.

    donndublin knows the answer, because he insists that the OISM petition is credible science.

  199. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    Regular,

    Have you found those links to prove your (false) claim that the Sierra Club “screwed” the New Orleans levees?

  200. donndublin
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    Rage,

    Thanks for proving my point. You had a 50-50 chance of getting that last one. I gave you three of the answers earlier when I asked you which type of curve. The choices are circular, hyperbolic and parabolic. Just looking at it tells you it’s not circular, so that leaves the other two.

    Sorry bonehead, it’s a parabola.

    What two geometic figures when intersected form a parabola or hyperbola and how do the para and hyper differ?

  201. Posted December 8, 2008 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    Sorry bonehead, it’s a parabola.

    HAHAHAHAHA! I’d love to see you try to design a satellite dish, Mr. “Engineer”!

    Dork.

  202. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    If your normal temperature is 98.6 degrees and you have a 100 degree fever, you’re gonna feel punky.

    If you have a 104 degree fever you’re gonna be in the Intensive Care Unit.

    Right now the planet is feeling punky.

  203. HerbertWestIII
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Too: Captianamerica, I got 4000 vote my first time running. He got 10,000ish with 22 years on the job. I beat 2 other, 10 year cops also. If you subtract my votes from his, he beat me with 6000 votes. I am pretty sure 4000 no experience votes hold more measure than 6000 tainted ones, Herbert West 3rd, http://www.MiamiCountyOpinion.com

  204. donndublin
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    #
    Rage
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    Sorry bonehead, it’s a parabola.

    HAHAHAHAHA! I’d love to see you try to design a satellite dish, Mr. “Engineer”!

    Dork.
    __________________________________________________

    Rage,

    I’ll leave that to the mechanical engineers and I’ll stick to my specialty.

    You should stick to whatever you do as well to avoid drowning. I’m sure if you spend enough time you can Google the answers to my questions. Any mathematically proficient novice could answer that right away.

    In the meantime, I’ll accept your capitulation and move on.

  205. Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    In the meantime, I’ll accept your capitulation and move on.

    Sorry, donny, it’s not my personal mission to remedy your mathematical ignorance, particularly when you can’t even recognize a correct answer to a very simple question.

    If you want tutoring, I want payment.

  206. Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    Thanks, Herbert.

    My faith in the wisdom of the people remains unshaken.

  207. Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    P.S. For the non-mathematical folks who aren’t already completely bored with this, read just the paragraph, hehe!:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbola

  208. BlueJay
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    Oh, SNAP!

    “Donn” gets taken to school!

  209. donndublin
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    #
    Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    If your normal temperature is 98.6 degrees and you have a 100 degree fever, you’re gonna feel punky.

    If you have a 104 degree fever you’re gonna be in the Intensive Care Unit.

    Right now the planet is feeling punky.

    **************************************************

    More liberal junk science. I guess with only a BA degree, the liberal mind is really scientifically challenged and has the dynamic perspective of a child. Your analogy couldn’t be more irrelevant.

    Can you dumb it down any more?

  210. lindainks55
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    It is over 60 degrees here in Wichita and the sun went down a long time ago. They’re saying we’re going to have snow by morning. I really don’t know much of anything about this but IF you have a system cold enough to cause snow meet this current weather system, don’t you get a tornado?

  211. Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    Can you dumb it down any more?

    He might try, but whether he could get it dumb enough for you is uncertain.

  212. donndublin
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    Congradulations Rage,

    You just got an E for effort in you copy and paste class.

  213. donndublin
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    In one sentence explain it.

  214. lindainks55
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    or at least the possibility of a tornado watch?

  215. Regular
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Always thought hyperbolas were 3D slices and parabolas were 2D expressions in planar view, both being a product of quadratic equations.

  216. Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Mr.Engineer–

    Why is the surface of Venus hot enough to melt lead and the surface of Mars cold enough to freeze CO2 into “dry ice”?

    Answer–Venus has a thick atmosphere. Mars has a thin one.

    Thicken the atmosphere by burning carbon (coal) sequestered for a hundred million years in the bowels of the earth and disperse it into the atmosphere as CO2, and what happens?

    Mars or Venus?

  217. donndublin
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    You still didn’t explain the difference between the hyper and para cuvres.

  218. Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    The most reasonable theoretical model would be that thickening the “blanket” of atmosphere around the earth is going to heat up the planet.

    This is not “junk science,” no matter how many times you repeat Rush Limbaugh’s phrase (you know, the Rush Limbaugh that never went to college).

    This is the standard model. The only real counter you can provide is “your data isn’t right,” and mainstream science doesn’t agree–they say it is right.

  219. donndublin
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parabola

    here’s your other paste

  220. Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    In one sentence explain it.

    Explain what?

  221. donndublin
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    The difference is the angle at which the plane intersects the conical surface.

  222. Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    If the discriminant = 0, it a parabola.
    If the discriminant < 0, it’s a hyperbola.

    In a more hand-waving fashion, parabolas looks like arches, while hyperbolas have two arches, which extend symmetrically in opposite directions.

  223. Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    Linda–

    A tornado isn’t likely.

    Not enough heat to form the big thunderstorm “chimney” of hot air rising up 15,000 feet and then crashing down after the rain precipitates out.

    Need a dewpoint of at least near the low 70’s for a big old twister . . .

  224. Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    Oops greater than zero. Misspoke.

  225. Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    The difference is the angle at which the plane intersects the conical surface.

    Yes, conic sections, which includes the ellipse you left out, genius.

  226. Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    Linda–

    Just checked “wunderground.com”

    The dewpoint in Wichita is only 37 degrees. That’s not juicy enough for the type of thunderstorm that produces hail or tornados.

  227. JMWalker
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    #
    HLP
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 4:31 pm | PermalinK

    hehehe

    The ‘Obama Times’ is bankrupt!
    ========================================================
    . . . And probably another 10,000 at least out of jobs. Pretty funny stuff, huh Hank?

    But I guess hating Obama is way more important than people being able to pay their bills.

  228. Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    Oh well, after tomorrow’s snowy blast, we go back to the 40’s and 50’s.

    Could be a lot worse.

  229. Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    “I guess with only a BA degree”

    How about someone with a PhD?

  230. Political_mama
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    Herb, the fact that you got 4,000 votes is scary as hail to me.

    Makes me wonder how many votes Charles Manson would get.

  231. Phantom
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    That jet crashing in a residential neighborhood makes one wonder if the pilot had waited to eject, if he might have avoided the two fatalities his jet caused.

  232. donndublin
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    #
    bth
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    “I guess with only a BA degree”

    How about someone with a PhD?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If the debate is about scientific issues dealing with scientific data, I would accept any opinion whether it’s popular or not and let the chips fall where they will.

    A PhD in psychology or other irrelevant field of study would have no more credibility than a politician or lawyer like Algore.

  233. janeeyre
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    Hey, are you guys who are doing all the postings about curves and other math functions doing this so people can get a better understanding of math; or are you doing it so you can work out your frustrations by bashing each other on-line?

    Aw–you don’t have to give an answer; it is obvious.

    Ho Hum!

  234. Phantom
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    Good for Illinois, cutting off bus. with BoA if they don’t fund the severance pay for the employees of the business that the bank cut off credit to, causing the closure.
    Looks like the bush bucks given to the banks aren’t being used to free up credit at the banks.

  235. Boxlock20
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    With snow in the forecast here is one for fun.
    This dog loves snow, and I mean LOVES SNOW !!!

    http://www.dogwork.com/dogsnow/

  236. lindainks55
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    Thanks, Capn. I said I didn’t know anything, and then proved it. Glad it takes more than warm air meeting colder air for hail and tornadoes… It is a pretty evening for Kansas in December!

  237. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    donndublin
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    A PhD in psychology or other irrelevant field of study would have no more credibility than a politician or lawyer like Algore.
    ——————–
    donndublin,

    Thank you for saying that only the scientists who have relevant study and work in climate science ARE credible.

    Those are the scientists Al Gore cites.

    Unlike donndublin, who relies on Arthur Robinson, who does NOT have relevant study and work in climate science.

  238. Boxlock20
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    “(you know, the Rush Limbaugh that never went to college).”

    Ha, that sure sounds petty. He has been phenomenally successful at what he does as an entertainer and news analyst, as well as being well read and informed on many subjects.
    And face it Capn, no matter how well you say you’ve done, and I believe you were bragging somewhat about that the other night, Rush could buy you 100s of times over.

  239. Posted December 8, 2008 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

    so people can get a better understanding of math;

    What would you like to know?

  240. Mary_Caruso
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    Are you talking about Rush the drug addict, who broke the law by having drugs that he had no prescription for? And how many times has he been married and divorced? I guess it’s good he’s sucessful in his professional life…’cuz he sure sucks in his personal one.
    Frankly, I think he’s the biggest asshole I’ve ever seen or heard.

  241. donndublin
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    “Yes, conic sections, which includes the ellipse you left out, genius.”

    Oh yes, the ellispe. It is former when the plane is more horizon rather than the vertical plane of the hyper and para.

    “If the discriminant = 0, it a parabola.
    If the discriminant < 0, it’s a hyperbola.”

    A hyper curve has a plane that is completely vertical while the para plane varies in the degree from the vertical. A circle has a horizontal plane while an ellipse also has an angle that varies.

    You can’t teach me anything about analytical geomerty because I’ve forgotten more than you know.

  242. Posted December 8, 2008 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    Correcting my typo from upthread:
    “If the discriminant > 0, it’s a hyperbola.”

    (shrug)

  243. Posted December 8, 2008 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    A hyper curve has a plane that is completely vertical while the para plane varies in the degree from the vertical. A circle has a horizontal plane while an ellipse also has an angle that varies.

    Donny, was Sarah Palin your instructor?

  244. donndublin
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    Look out everyone, I think Rage’s head is about to implode.

  245. Posted December 8, 2008 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    Donny, I’m only yawning slightly less than everyone else.

  246. Pleefer
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    Manslaughter?

    Those piece of shit Blackwater fuchs get manslaughter?

    Have you seen the video of these fuchs driving around shooting at anyone while Elvis plays the soundtrack?

    Goddam terrorists.

  247. Posted December 8, 2008 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    Goddam terrorists.

    You’re forgetting, they were shooting at brown people in a different country. /sarcasmOFF

  248. Pleefer
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    http://www.opednews.com/articles/America-Has-No-Means-to-Re-by-Dustin-Ensinger-081208-723.html

    How can America recover from a depression?

    A good war always helps, I’d say.

  249. Pleefer
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    My mistake.

  250. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    You can’t teach me anything about analytical geomerty because I’ve forgotten more than you know.

    I fixed one of your typos.

    “You can’t teach me anything about analytical geomerty because I’ve forgotten more than I know.”

  251. Boxlock20
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    “I guess it’s good he’s sucessful[sic] in his professional life…’cuz he sure sucks in his personal one.”

    Mary, I’m not sure the successful part about Rush contained in your little tirade could be said of you. Wasting your time around here, on this blog, shows there is a little something missing or damaged in all of us.
    We all have problems at sometime, or times, in our lives, and he has faced and handled his and hardly missed a beat in doing so.
    How about you Mary, any skeletons in the closet.
    Now don’t lie, ha.

  252. Wahine_Tara
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    Guys, guys, guys.

    Can’t we all just agree that math sucks?

    Yeah.

  253. Boxlock20
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

    These guys and their on and on math discussions are reminding me of a story.
    An old Indian once said,
    “Only a white man would believe you could cut a foot off the top of blanket, sew it to bottom of blanket and have longer blanket.”

    No offense guys….carry on if you think it will finally get someplace.

  254. American_Way
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    “Phantom
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 1:58 pm | Permalink
    Well KIA your link wouldn’t explain why asian stocks rallied yesterday after Obama released information on what he intends to do to get the economy running.

    What’s happened since Nov. 4 is Obama has realizied he has to fill the presidential vacuum, and has trotted out Team Obama. Most of the increase since Nov. 4 has come since the last couple weeks when Obama stepped up to the plate.”

    Well Phantom, since you have acknowledged, and reiterated that Obama is NOW in charge of the Stock Market, I suspect we can hold him responsible for the economy and markets from this day forward.

    We are all watching. Can’t wait to see the market never go down again. Since God is in charge, we should only have upward bulls from today forward.

    Unless, of course, Obama fuchs up. Right?

  255. Posted December 8, 2008 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    Last post on the subject of math:
    cosmos_originally
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 8:00 pm Permalink

    Last post that included, well, something resembling math:
    donndublin
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    You’re lecturing to an empty chamber, “guys.”

  256. Phantom
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    My prediction is that in 4 yrs. the stock market will be alot higher than it is today. You won’t be able to say that about bush, even changing the 4 to an 8!

  257. Phantom
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    I’m going to miss “Boston Legal”, it always made me laugh, and I liked that they always touched on current affairs.

  258. HLP
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Well, the little bastards got me. Not too bad, but they put up a defensive cloud and they got me.

    Turned them loose about three miles south near a creek bed.

    Born Free! (stinky little bastards)

  259. Regular
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    thought I smelled something Hank…

  260. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    he he!! I have had the wrath of being sprayed a time or two, Hank!

  261. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    Hank, just be glad you didn’t take a direct hit!

  262. HLP
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    I live on a lake, in the country. I have six dogs. Once or twice a year we have the pleasure of ‘de-pewing’ a dog.

  263. Regular
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    An old farmer told me tomato juice and baking soda worked best…dunno – never had to try it. :D

    For KFG, she can call in “Gay” on Wednesday so she doesn’t have to collect any eggs..

    Calling In ‘Gay’ to Work Is Latest Form of Protest

    Monday, December 08, 2008

    SAN FRANCISCO — Some same-sex marriage supporters are urging people to “call in gay” Wednesday to show how much the country relies on gays and lesbians, but others question whether it’s wise to encourage skipping work given the nation’s economic distress.

  264. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    Hank, I don’t know what kind of bales you feed, but during hard winters I have been sprayed from skunks falling out of round bales…..Ah, good times…

  265. Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

    good night; good luck; god bless —-
    whatever you conceive god to be!!

    blessings ALL!!

    blessings on Hank and the tomato juice!!

    so mote it be!!

  266. HLP
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

    Best thing we’ve found is one quart of Hydrogen peroxide mixed with 1/4 cup of baking soda and 1/4 cup of Dawn dish washing liquid. Then just use it as a shampoo.

    I’ve tried several different things, tomato juice doesn’t do it.

  267. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    tomato juice doesn’t do it.
    ===========

    Works for me when mildly sprayed.

    I use noxima(sp?) as soap when dosed heavily, it smells better than skunk.

  268. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    Hank,

    Have you read the book ‘Winterdance’, by Gary Paulsen?

    It’s about running the Iditarod, and has some really funny parts about encounters with skunks, while training the dogs.

  269. ANTI
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    Works for me when mildly sprayed.
    ———

    I should clarify, paste not juice.

  270. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    If CONs can’t lie they’ve got nothin’ –

    ” No high-quality study done to date can document that having an abortion causes psychological distress, or a “post-abortion syndrome,” and efforts to show it does occur appear to be politically motivated, U.S. researchers said on Thursday. [...]

    “The best quality studies indicate no significant differences in long-term mental health between women in the United States who choose to terminate a pregnancy and those who do not,” they wrote.

    “…studies with the most flawed methodology consistently found negative mental health consequences of abortion,” they added. “Scientists are still conducting research to answer politically motivated questions.”

    http://tinyurl.com/5r6rvn

  271. HLP
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

    Hey cosmos,

    No I haven’t read anything by Paulsen. I could almost write a book on my encounters with skunks myself.

    A few years ago after Sammy got hit a friend of ours told us to mix Massingale and our dog shampoo half and half.

    The Walgreen’s down the street had just opened. Joyce came into my office and asked me to go and get some Massingale. I told her that wasn’t going to happen for her!

    That afternoon I was wandering around looking for feminine hygiene products when a cute little clerk that looked like she was about 14 asked me if she could help me find anything. “No, just looking around.” I said.

    I was having no luck. A little later she said, “Sir, you’re obviously looking for something, let me help.” “Massingale” I blurted out. “This way, sir.”

    She took me one aisle over and handed me a a little one ounce one time bottle. (Samson is a 60 pound Bearded Collie with 18 inch long hair) “Oh no, darling.” I said, “I’ve got a much bigger problem than this!”

    Now there were two of us embarrassed to be in the feminine hygiene section of Walgreen’s.

    Just as a tiny tid bit of info, Massingales doesn’t help much with removing skunk pew either. It does make your dog smell like skunk vinaigrette though.

  272. BlueJay
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

    ““I guess it’s good he’s sucessful[sic] in his professional life…’cuz he sure sucks in his personal one.”

    Rush SAYS he does not want kids.

    Now, I DID want kids. But none of them were planned. And I am not rich or the celebrity that Limbaugh is. I have not been married once. Rush has been married three times and claims many mistresses.

    SO, where I am at is figuring Rush with all his money and fame either is an under performer (limp) in bed, or he is firing blanks.

  273. StevenEDavis
    Posted December 8, 2008 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    Much as I dislike doing so, I am going to post somthing that contradicts, IMHO, the views of people with whom I mostly agree.

    I was listening to NPR today and a woman was talking on the Diane Rheem show, I think, about studies which show that infants will react to the story lines (words in a sentence) in books that were read to them as fetuses, even if the voice was different from the original voice.

    Does this not indicate some pretty profound human traits in an unborn child?

    I will be trying to find and evaluate these data, but if true, what do they tell you?

    I was moved, and I can be pretty cynical (not the poster, but for real).

  274. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 9, 2008 at 12:20 am | Permalink

    “BlueJay” –

    Or, if we’re to look at Limbaugh’s little Viagra-fueled Dominican adventure, he prefers underage boys.

    If we were to put together a “Tabloid Scandal That’s Destined to Happen” pool, I’d bet on Rush and a Cub Scout.

    Second choice would be Todd Palin and a Ketchikan hooker.

    Third? Maybe Ted Stevens’ ankle bracelet (for his 3-year house arrest sentence) shorts out the $1,000 dollar vibrating easy chair he’s “borrowed” from a lobbyist for the past ten years).

    Or maybe Mitt Romney takes another wife.

    Or Newtie Gingrich abandons another wife.

    Or Bobby Jindal conducts another exorcism.

  275. Monkeyhawk
    Posted December 9, 2008 at 12:47 am | Permalink

    “StevenEDavis” –

    All those pre-birth theories — if you play Mozart for the kid in your tummy it’ll turn into a genius — have been pretty much debunked.

    It’s patently absurd to study only what a developing fetus hears from someone reading something as opposed to everything the mother says through nine months of gestation.

    If someone in traffic cuts off Mom and she yells out some curse, are we to assume the developing life in her uterus wasn’t listening?

    C’mon.

    Based in large part on Biblical teachings, western common law measures human life from the first breath.

    And western common law is based on arbitrary divisions. Drive 20 miles per hour in a school zone; cool. Drive 21 miles per hour in a school zone and a cop has every right to write you a ticket. That’s simply the letter of the law, regardless of how the cop chooses to enforce it.

    When the Shrub tax cuts expire, you can make $249,999 and pay the lower tax rate. Make another 10 bucks and those 9 dollars will be taxed at a 3% higher rate. You know… “socialism.”

    Humans, perhaps unlike any other species of animal, emerge from the womb totally incapable of functioning independently. A newborn baby is an incomplete critter. It certainly has the potential to become self-sustaining, but it’s further away from independence than any other creature on the planet. But as soon as it takes its first breath, by the measure of every tenet of western secular law, it is a person. Before that, not so much.

    What happens inside the womb is significant and important on levels that, too, are significant: nutrition, alcohol, tobacco, maybe even exposure to Mozart or poetry. But the clock starts when you started breathing on your own.

    Yeah, it’s arbitrary. But that’s the only way it can work.

    Do you really want Congress to decide how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

  276. janeeyre
    Posted December 9, 2008 at 5:27 am | Permalink

    Ah! What a relief; the math lessons are over for now. So why don’t we write about really interesting things like quantum physics, the uncertainty principle, string theory, multi-verses, black holes, and other cosmological theories?

    How old is the universe according to present day theory? Oops,saying that the accepted theory in this decade is that it is 13.7 billion years old is very likely to start the thread about how old the earth is all over again. Maybe we should just stick with the prediction that our sun will start dying out in about 5 billion years and you know what that means: The hiway workers on Kellogg will have to finish the job in the dark!

  277. beber
    Posted December 9, 2008 at 6:46 am | Permalink

    “The hiway workers on Kellogg will have to finish the job in the dark!” — excellent jest; though I wonder where the goodbyeway is.

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