The angry Iraqi TV journalist whose name-calling and shoe-hurling upstaged President George W. Bush’s surprise visit to Iraq illustrated Iraq’s progress toward democracy, at least for columnist Roger L. Simon. He wrote: Iraq is “turning into a (somewhat) decent place to live. That buffoon-like shoe chucker – his name is Muntadhar al-Zeidi from Al-Baghdadia channel which broadcasts from Cairo – proved it. No matter what happens to al-Zeidi now (and it won’t be much if anything), it will be nothing like what would have happened to him if he had hurled a shoe at the president during the previous Iraqi administration of Saddam Hussein.”
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No doubt the ’shoe-hurling’ reporter would be subjected to electronic probe therapy at the Iraq secret service facility.
A plus to George Bush on excellent reflexes.
So, if during the Sadaam’s regime, a reporter had hurled a shoe at Bush I, Sadaam would have tortured the reporter? Balls, I say. Sadaam would have made him minister of information.
We don’t know what would happen to him if he did it off camera either. He wasn’t wearing a uniform so he’d be labelled an enemy combatant and thrown into gitmo. We have no moral authority anymore. And I’ll believe Iraq is a decent place to live when we’re out of there and see how bad we really left it.
The outcome was definitely worth all those billions of dollars, I am sure.
The man would have seen his wife and children murdered and raped before his eyes. Right before they put a bullet in his brain.
Democrats used to be about human rights. Well there’s about 25 million people who can now get away with chucking a shoe or any kind of verbal assault against a foreign leader or their own government and live to tell about it.
And the Democrat party thinks that’s a bad thing.
Asshats.
That’s the point Heckler, they probably WON”T be able to get away with it. Women will certainly be put to death, but I guess them losing their rights isn’t important.
pmom
“Women will certainly be put to death, but I guess them losing their rights isn’t important.”
And what’s your basis for that claim? Where’d you pull that out of? Is that happening now? The media would be all over it. But they’re not, because it isnt.
My above description was perfect for you.
Beber, are you a naturally born idiot, or is it something you have to work at?
Once again, President Bush showed that He is a man of character and honor and his detractors, whether foreign or domestic are a bunch of sniveling little cry babies who just play up to a TV camera and a bias worthless media.
P.S. Wouldn’t it have been great if the President had caught one of those shoes out of the air and nailed that bozo with his own shoe?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/15/AR2006121501744.html
I’ve posted about this a million times Heckler, either you’re too stupid to understand it, or you’re deliberately ignoring it. Asshat.
So if we’re so concerned about human rights…why do we do business with China? We agreed with letting them host the Olymics even though they displaced their own citizens to do it. They have the worst record of human rights abuses than anyone except maybe North Korea, and we treat them like gold because it means cheap products and a cheap labor force. We weren’t concerned about human rights in Iraq…we wanted control of their oil. And the sad part is that even after trillions of dollars spent there, they will still have a corrupt government and women will still be abused and have few rights.
“Once again, President Bush showed that He is a man of character and honor”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA….you can’t be serious. It’s a joke right?
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081208/NEWS02/812080325
A more recent article Heckler. Its like the Taliban for women in Iraq.
I am with Mary, we’ve got to stop doing business with nations that allow such abuses.
That includes Saudi.
pmom
“I’ve posted about this a million times Heckler,”
And have we heard any more about it since? If ‘women were most certainly being put to death’ we would sure as hell be hearing about it. The media would be all over it and it would be “Bush’s Fault”.
Women were put to death and enslaved and brutalized under Saddam’s regime for any kind of sleight done by a husband or brother or son. Did that bother you? No, because you didn’t hear about it because CNN sucked up to Saddam to keep their Baghdad bureau open. So I guess it really didnt matter.
Mary
“So if we’re so concerned about human rights…why do we do business with China? ”
Maybe the big O can fix that when he gets into office.
Oh Gawd, do the DimLibs ever show anything but completely twisted logic.
Bush was great, calm, restrained, in control, and the DimLibs hate it because they, and their’s aren’t capable of same.
pmom
From your link.
“Since the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, satellite television, cell phones and Internet access have deepened the West’s imprint on the relatively stable Kurdish region of Iraq, known as Kurdistan. Today, many urban women wear Western clothes and eschew Islamic head scarves. Women make up more than a quarter of the regional parliament.”
Is that a bad thing?
What you seem to forget is(or maybe you didnt know) is that honor killings and such happened under Saddam’s regime as well. It was tolerated in the tribal regions as long as the tribes didn’t challenge Saddams power.
No one is going to argue that women had it better under Saddam…and Middle Eastern culture will not change just because we threw him out. The whole war was a huge waste of time, money, and lives. The Iraq people will be just as tribal and barbaric after we leave as they were before we came.
Mary says- “The whole war was a huge waste of time, money, and lives”
A man can criticize his government and even throw his shoes at a foreign leader without his family being tortured and murdered.
And Mary says it was all a waste of time money and lives. hmmmmm.
Sorry…but throwing a shoe at the US president wasn’t worth trillions of American dollars and over 100,000 Iraqi lives. Sometimes we just need to get our priorities straight. BTW, the guy who threw the shoe is in jail..and knowing what we now know, he’s probably being tortured as we speak.
If Iraq didn’t have any oil…Saddam would still be in power along with all the other evil dictators in the world.
The shoe thrower is a hero.
Bush ducked a shoe and allowed it to hit the American flag.
Not the first time that SOB exercised his ability to duck.
“… he’s probably being tortured as we speak.”
And, Dick Cheney is acknowledging that he ordered and supported the torture.
I can think of worse things I’d like to throw at Bush.
Mary says-”knowing what we now know, he’s probably being tortured as we speak”
Knowing what we know now? What is it we know now? Care to share?
“the guy who threw the shoe is in jail”
And he would be if he were in the U.S. as well. After all it was a case of attempted battery. But he will live to throw more shoes.
Well, considering that Bush, Rumsfeld, and Rice approved torture for insurgent suspects..it’s probably safe to assume his jail conditions are going to be somewhat harsh…so have you had your head in the sand the last 8 years, Heck?
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outlander
Posted December 15, 2008 at 10:12 pm | Permalink
The gleeful support of the left toward the shoe throwing wacko is sadly familiar. Instead of noticing the lack of respect the journalist exhibited toward America, they are motivated by their hatred of their own president. I’m reminded of the liberal support of the nutty Hugo Chavez.
Here is a question for the consideration of that shoe thrower and his “American” supporters. What would have happened if that nut had thrown a shoe at Saddam Hussein?
The brother of the Iraqi journalist who threw his shoes at US President George W Bush has said that the reporter has been beaten in custody.
Muntadar al-Zaidi has suffered a broken hand, broken ribs and internal bleeding, as well as an eye injury, his older brother, Dargham, told the BBC.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7785338.stm
Eat flaming democracy, Muntadar!
Is there a defense fund or other way to help the shoe thrower? I want in on that.
Why is democracy in Iraq more important than democracy in China, North Korea, or any other country that has a horrible dictator, Heck? Why do we do business with China and send them our jobs, when they have an even worse record of human rights abuses? Do you feel the same concern for the citizens of China or North Korea? Should we overthrow their government so they can throw shoes at our president and live to talk about it?
Just answer my question, please.
Here is a question for you outlander.
What would happen if the shoe throwing happened in America?
If we pull out, my guess is that within 5 years, Iraq will be exactly as it was before we invaded. There are plenty of Saddams out there.
Mary_Caruso,
Your comments are so extreme that noone is paying attention to you anymore.
Yours truly,
General Public
He’d be famous, on the national news everyday, and become comedy fodder for the late night TV hosts for a year. I love America.
Of course you aren’t responding…because you know I’m right, “monkeyboy”.
Well, Heck?…crickets chirping…..
This thread isn’t about China, now is it Mary Caruso.
Try to divert makes you look really stupid.
Boxic,
“Bush was great, calm, restrained, in control….”
Bush was utterly, grinningly clueless (naturally) as to what throwing shoes means in that part of the world. And I might add that the footage showed the journalist being hauled out bloody, beaten and semiconcious to god-knows-what fate. That’s not great, calm, restrained, in control!
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Jed
Posted December 16, 2008 at 8:07 am | Permalink
Boxic,
“Bush was great, calm, restrained, in control….”
Bush was utterly, grinningly clueless (naturally) as to what throwing shoes means in that part of the world. And I might add that the footage showed the journalist being hauled out bloody, beaten and semiconcious to god-knows-what fate. That’s not great, calm, restrained, in control!
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The journalist is lucky he didn’t get a bullet in the head.
Here is a link to help the brave man.
http://wordpress.com/tag/george-bush/
bobo,
Mary is a much respected long-time member of this blog. You’re the one nobody’s paying attention to. Bye bye!
Jed
Posted December 16, 2008 at 8:10 am | Permalink
bobo,
Mary is a much respected long-time member of this blog. You’re the one nobody’s paying attention to
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I’ve been posting longer than Mary Caruso.
Just because you endorse stupid diversion comments is not my problem.
It shows your complicity in acting stupid and unable to comment on a thread intelligently.
“DimLibs ever show anything but completely twisted logic.” — Pox
At least it’s logic.
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I’ve been posting longer than Mary Caruso.”
Uh no, Jimbo, ya haven’t.
So why don’t YOU answer my question, Reg….if we overthrw Saddam becuase we care about Iraq gaining democracy than why don’t we care about China or North Korea? in Iraq, but we’re not willing to make the sacrifice for China or North Korea’s people?
What makes the CONS look stupid is the fact that no one will answer my question..they only try to distract by claiming that’s what I’m doing.
Sorry that last post is messed up…I’m not editing like I should. You get my point.
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Mary_Caruso
Posted December 16, 2008 at 8:14 am | Permalink
So why don’t YOU answer my question, Reg….if we overthrw Saddam becuase we care about Iraq gaining democracy than why don’t we care about China or North Korea? in Iraq, but we’re not willing to make the sacrifice for China or North Korea’s people?
What makes the CONS look stupid is the fact that no one will answer my question..they only try to distract by claiming that’s what I’m doing.
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This thread isn’t about China.
Perhaps I should bring up Bill Clinton’s getting a blow job while Osama Bin Ladin was in sight of CIA operatives in Afghanistan.
Reggie,
“The journalist is lucky he didn’t get a bullet in the head.”
We don’t know that he didn’t.
Mary says “Well, Heck?…crickets chirping…..”
What’s the question? You’ve spewed so much BDS I’m not sure what you are refering to.
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BlueJay
Posted December 16, 2008 at 8:13 am | Permalink
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I’ve been posting longer than Mary Caruso.”
Uh no, Jimbo, ya haven’t.
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I posted when the blog first opened putz.
“Perhaps I should bring up Bill Clinton’s getting a blow job while Osama Bin Ladin was in sight of CIA operatives in Afghanistan.”
Yeah we should.
AND point out that your only contact with women the last 10 years is with your sister.
Just answer my question, then…why do we care more about Iraq than the other countries, so much that we sacrificed over 4,000 American lives, over 100,000 Iraqi lives, and trillions of dollars?
Let me give you all a hint….O…I…L..!
That’s it for me…got lots on the adgenda today and no more time for play. Have a great one!! :):)
Reggie would love it if the shoe man had gotten a bullet in the head… Shoot, he would most likely volunteer to go to Iraq, ane administer the obligatory water boarding… just like his hero, Cheney!!! LOL
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Chas
Posted December 16, 2008 at 8:20 am | Permalink
Reggie would love it if the shoe man had gotten a bullet in the head… Shoot, he would most likely volunteer to go to Iraq, ane administer the obligatory water boarding… just like his hero, Cheney!!! LOL
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People have been shot for what police thought was a lethal weapon (plastic guns, boxes, etc.)
It’s not a stretch. The reporter could have been on a marble slab getting prepped for burial – he’s lucky.
Because North Korea is of no economic concern to us; because China is of economic concern to many people, and because Iraq has oil, and is against the Jews.
“I posted when the blog first opened putz.”
Oh?
What was your nic THEN? Kook.
The shoe thrower is a hero. I bet there are more Americans who would love and support him than would cross the street for george bush.
“Wanna test me boy?” — regular
pretty chipper for a recent stroke victim, but that was likely a lie too. You Regular are a fibber. Ever climb Mt. Everest like I did? But people are right. You do feed off of attention.
“Wanna test me boy?”
I believe I just did. Gimp.
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BlueJay
Posted December 16, 2008 at 8:24 am | Permalink
“I posted when the blog first opened putz.”
Oh?
What was your nic THEN? Kook.
The shoe thrower is a hero. I bet there are more Americans who would love and support him than would cross the street for george bush.
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I bet there are some Americans that support such actions that would be in Federal prison for assault who will be getting service by ‘Big Daddy.’
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beber
Posted December 16, 2008 at 8:25 am | Permalink
“Wanna test me boy?” — regular
pretty chipper for a recent stroke victim, but that was likely a lie too. You Regular are a fibber. Ever climb Mt. Everest like I did? But people are right. You do feed off of attention.
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No, but have climbed Mount Vesuvius and looked down the volcano pit.
IS the shoe thrower even alive?
What HAS our corporate propped up puppet government in Iraq done with him?
FREE the shoe thrower! Jail bush.
I just screened “A Crude Awakening.”
Here’s a segment –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlVNyJFBCxc&feature=related
I got mine at Netflix.
“BlueJay
Here is a link to help the brave man.”
Your patriotism and sense of justice are rather limited. This is afterall the United States President regardless on how unpopular he may be.
Had this been a shoe thrown at President Obama I’m certain the shoe would have been on the other foot.
“No, but have climbed Mount Vesuvius and looked down the volcano pit.”
Musta squeezed that in between when he carved the Lincoln Memorial with a pen knife and his brief career with the Superfriends.
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BlueJay
Posted December 16, 2008 at 8:44 am | Permalink
“No, but have climbed Mount Vesuvius and looked down the volcano pit.”
Musta squeezed that in between when he carved the Lincoln Memorial with a pen knife and his brief career with the Superfriends.
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Not my fault you’ve never left the city limits of Wichita and the most exciting thing you do is blogging.
You’re just jealous I’ve done things and been to places you’ll never do and never see.
pathetic nobody you are…
“Your patriotism and sense of justice are rather limited. This is afterall the United States President regardless on how unpopular he may be.”
[AmWay]
Hmmmm…. that sense of the Presidency didnt seem to bother you much when you talk about Clinton, does it?? LOL At least you could make a feeble attempt at being consistent!!
Jay — You’re feeding Reg’s attention-itis again…. eh??
Support for the shoe thrower
http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=28887
The love for george bush? Not so much.
Bush is the luckiest man in the entire universe. While we focus on the shoe throwing, he’s getting away with saying THIS!
” BUSH: One of the major theaters against al Qaeda turns out to have been Iraq. This is where al Qaeda said they were going to take their stand. This is where al Qaeda was hoping to take–
RADDATZ: But not until after the U.S. invaded.
BUSH: Yeah, that’s right. So what? The point is that al Qaeda said they’re going to take a stand. Well, first of all in the post-9/11 environment Saddam Hussein posed a threat. And then upon removal, al Qaeda decides to take a stand.”
Al Qaeda was not taking a stand in Iraq BEFORE we invaded. Now they are.
President “so what?”
That will be the legacy of the worst president ever.
So what, indeed.
Shoe-Thrower in Iraqi Military Custody, ‘Suffering Broken Bones’
Fox News
BAGHDAD — The journalist who threw his shoes at President George W. Bush was handed over to the Iraqi military, an Iraqi official said, as hundreds took to the streets Tuesday for a second day demanding his release.
Muntadhar al-Zeidi suffered a broken arm and ribs after being struck by Iraqi security agents, his brother told AFP on Tuesday.
Durgham Zaidi was unable to say whether his brother had sustained the injuries while being overpowered during Sunday’s protest against Bush’s visit or while in custody laAl-Zeidi was turned over by the prime minister’s security guards to face further investigation by the military command in charge of enforcing security in Baghdad, the official told The Associated Press.
“He has got a broken arm and ribs, and cuts to his eye and arm,” Durgham told AFP. “He is being held by forces under the command of Muaffaq al-Rubaie,” Iraq’s national security adviser.
The reporter was initially taken into custody by Iraqi security and interrogated about whether anybody had paid him to throw his shoes at Bush during a news conference Sunday in Baghdad, according to the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to the media.
He could face charges of insulting a foreign leader and the Iraqi prime minister, who was standing next to Bush. The offense carries a maximum penalty of two years in jail.
I just love that all these wingnuts have to show for billions of dollars and thousands of lives lost is that a shoe thrower isnt killed.
Geez. I have some farmland to sell if you are THAT easy….
I wonder if Alex’s parents are happy with that outcome. They traded their son’s life for a little shoe throwing?
Asshats is too good of a term for the wingers who think that was a fair trade. Alex’s life for a little shoe throwing.
Maybe we can just tell the next nation we target that if they just pass a law allowing shoe throwing, we wont invade?
Naaaaw. THAT doesnt make Halliburton and Blackwater any money.
“Alex’s life for a little shoe throwing.”
And they think THEY are patriotic?
heh. Hehehe. EHEHEHEHEHEH. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH!
Death for thousands. Made in America. Buy it now before peace breaks out.
“bobo,
Mary is a much respected long-time member of this blog. You’re the one nobody’s paying attention to. Bye bye!”
I’m sorry. I should not have spoken for everyone. You have shown that there are people so ignorant of reality that they get all their life experiences from this never-ending carousel of mental masturbation. Enjoy your “life” here amidst your “discussions” which will never solve anything and only prove that most unintelligent people live to hear themselves talk and think they can win at politics.
I’ll be over here with people that understand the world and have a grip on reality. I’ll make sure to warn the others not to venture over here where rational thought cannot exist and where nobody can ever be right, but everybody always is.
I wonder if bobo needs a little cheese to go with that whine, or if he/she would just like us to call the waaaaaaaaaaaambulance.
Ya, if I were an asshat like you, I’d just stay “there” wherever “there” is. Freeperville or townhall or… Oklahoma?
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA.
Mary Caruso = blog’s best poster. And a damn fine human being.
You? Eh, not so much…
There needs to be a song written about the war we fought for shoe throwing.
Where is Country Joe McDonald? Joe? Your country needs you now more than ever.
ksfarmgrrl,
Thanks for proving my point.
Anybody else want in?
I thought you werent coming “here” and that you were stayin “there”?
Liar.
No wonder you worship bush. Keep working at it. Someday you too can be an asshat AND an accomplished liar.
Just like bush.
Hehehehe bobo. Did you really think you could whine like that and no one would comment on it?
Your posts are so freakin’ special no one should point out your asshattery?
hehehhe. HAHAAHAHAHHAH.
Big talk for a spoofer and nic switcher.
I think you’d be much happier over “there”.
And we’d be happier with you “there” too!
“We’re suffering right now,” Khalid said, her two sons tugging at her abaya. “The war took all our rights. We’re not free because of terrorism.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/15/AR2006121501744.html
I can see a couple of things with this incident. First of all the people with Islamic roots are never going to get along with the rest of the world…they don’t get along with each other either… Maybe the war with Iraq was a mistake, but President Bush is our leader and by this incident and the celebration of the Islamic nations it was another attack on our country. We should all know the significance of the shoe bomb. The liberated citizens all beat hell out of the statue of Uncle Saddam Hussein when it was toppled. What concerns me is that it will embolden them to even more acts of terrorism against our troops and our country.
Also given as democracy, to a certain segment of our society means they can speak without respect for the office of the President. That in effect makes them collaborators with the radicals in mho.
Those same liberal bleeding hearts have no memory of how many thousands… maybe millions of people including women and children were slaughtered by Saddam Hussein, but you are totally ballistic over the innocent casualties of war. It happens. It happens when there are ‘ cowardly sneak attackers’ who hide behind the general population. War is not like it used to be with two or three sides going out to a location and firing at each other. There will be innocent bystanders in this situation.
I am concerned that the same way you have treated President Bush will give the OK for President-elect Obama to be attacked by people. There has to be some respect for the office. This attitude is tearing the fabric of our country apart. The entitlement of speaking your mind should come with respect and common courtesy.
I think that if President Obama is criticized then the liberals will go ballistic again. I just can’t get past the double standard applied to President Bush and the unfairness of the blame game. When all of the politicians(including the important Dems) made speeches regarding the danger of Iraq, Saddam Hussein and the necessity of going to war, agreeing with President Bush are now conveniently forgotten.
We need to rethink some of these issues.
President Bush showed that He is a man of character and honor
Yeah, he has the honor of being a buffoon.
“When the strongest nation in the world can be tied up for … years in a war … with no end in sight, when the richest nation in the world can’t manage its own economy, when the nation with the greatest tradition of the rule of law is plagued by unprecedented lawlessness, … and when the President of the United States cannot travel abroad or to any major city at home without fear of a hostile demonstration – then it’s time for new leadership for the United States of America.”
– Richard Nixon, 1968
Bush will get my respect when he earns it.
I wish him luck on that.
That’s Rhonda’s kind of democracy? Being charged with insulting the Prime Minister.
“No, but have climbed Mount Vesuvius and looked down the volcano pit” — Fibulus
“Travel to the top of the only active volcano in continental Europe on this fascinating afternoon trip to Mt. Vesuvius from Naples.
You’ll drive through the town of Torre del Greco to Vesuvius National Park, then hike to the summit of Vesuvius to take a walk around the eerie crater at 3,900 feet (1,200 meters). Remember to wear comfortable walking shoes! A medium to high level of fitness is required to complete the climb.
From the summit you’ll have panoramic views of the picturesque Bay of Naples from east to west. Then peer down into the depths of the crater to see plumes of steam issuing from the sleeping, but still active, volcano.”
It’s a $56 tour. What an accomplishment; what an adventure. Why do you even try, Fibulus?
an old rancher’s expression comes to mind concerning this board — “Learned all he’s gonna.”
“Maybe the war with Iraq was a mistake, but President Bush is our leader and by this incident and the celebration of the Islamic nations it was another attack on our country.”
Uh oh. I think we should start looking for ANOTHER country, with oil, that never attacked us. Ya know, just to make sure no more shoe attacks happen.
And the attacks on obama have already started. Do you just post here and not read? Check out amway and the usual suspects.
Yaaaaawn. Another day in the land of freepers.
Kansas… as wingnutty as you think.
You could call me “Roger.”
Good catch, “beber” –
Ol’ “Regular” “…climbed Mount Vesuvius” in a bus!
That’s funny.
Country Joe and the Fish . . . Awesome group!
I find it rather unremarkable how divided this thread is. The cons, on one hand, are justifying the Iraq war, and comparing the before and after, i.e., dead/not dead shoe thrower.
Good ol’ Bush hisself has pointed to faulty intelligence as the reason for the war (Yep, we believe that Georgie: I notice you said nothing about manufactured Intel).
My point? I neither know nor care if some yahoo threw a shoe at Saddam, ergo, I have no idea what would happen; all we have is speculation. Big deal. If we hadn’t blindly followed Bush’s “faulty” intelligence, this question would never have been brought up, hence, an exercise in futility. But, hey, it’s snowing, so snow jobs are the order of the day.
Anyone want to bring up the president elects nationality? After all, if pure speculation is the order of the day, why not bring out the wingnuts?
As for Bush and the shoes: if they fit, wear em.
Bush has so disgraced the office of the President, that I no longer feel any insult when something like this happens to him.
Bush is just lucky he didn’t get a boot up the ass.
Jeeze, Monkeyhawk. I’ll be nice to you for a whole day.
He’ll say he climed the north face.
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ksfarmgrrl
Posted December 16, 2008 at 9:30 am | Permalink
Uh oh. I think we should start looking for ANOTHER country, with oil, that never attacked us. Ya know, just to make sure no more shoe attacks happen.
Kansas… as wingnutty as you think.
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OR…..from now on, all humans (libs exempted) present during a presidential bushified speech will be required to be barefoot!
There is no reasoning with the radicals…their country or ours. You are tearing America apart with your mouths. Congratulations….it will fall on Obama’s watch.
I wonder if “Regular” remembered to wear his comfortable walking shoes?
Probably just settled for wearing his comfortable bus-riding pants.
And that lightweight Sir Edmund Hillary gets all the credit!
Are there degrees of shoe throwing, such as, would one get the same punishment for throwing flip-flops? Brogans? Earth shoes? Soft velvety slippers? How about swim fins? Tennis shoes rate torture? Is it, like, four whips for clean socks? Ten for dirty socks? Potential shoe throwers want to know!
Al Qaeda was not taking a stand in Iraq BEFORE we invaded. Now they are.
Hmmm….New Yoiur City?????
New York City???
Country Joe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4WeqP2G6pI
Canned heat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5btZWbViPA&feature=related
Enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shoe tossing a possible new Olympic event??
I just have to say, Bush has some damn good reflexes and he was smiling the whole time. Ah, I’m gonna miss Bush. With all his wackiness. He’s proof that the American Dream still Exists. If a C student from Harvard can buy his way into office and fool a bunch of hicks into voting for him and his Daddies money and cronies. Well it’s obvious too that Obama being president shows that the American Dream is still alive, two highly improbable candidates that became presidents. Ah, isn’t America great. I’m going to president someday, be sure to vote for me.
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Barnie
Posted December 16, 2008 at 10:03 am | Permalink
Ah, isn’t America great. I’m going to president someday, be sure to vote for me.
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I refuse to vote for a purple dinosaur, regardless of party affiliation. (Unless, of course, the price is right:-))
This new rise of ’shoeicide-bombers’ is very disturbing .. God help us . . . lol !!
Merry merry CHRISTmas to all who know and understand the reason for the season — for the rest — enjoy your shopping — http://www.nwrnetwork.com/radiostations/RealAnswersRadio/player/embedded_player.php?bw=high
Go ahead and drill me on my policies. I’ll be sure to cater to everyone so that I will get your vote. I will make abortion after the first 5 weeks illegal if the pro life people allow Gays to marry.
I will continue nation building without declaring war, and turn it into Humanitarian efforts, while stifling the extremists with unpublicized covert military operations.
I will enact a four seasons Gas Holiday, one holiday each season where we encourage people to walk, bike, bus or car pool rather than driving by their selves in their own car.
I will implement clean energy plans, and reward those who produce and use wind power and solar energy. I will reward those who build crop towers using hydroponics and solar energy to save land space. I will require that all Cattle Farms have small forests built around their extensive pastures to soak up all the cow farts and prevent sewage run off.
Oh, I’ve got a ton of more plans, just ask me.
“And the sad part is that even after trillions of dollars spent there, they will still have a corrupt government and women will still be abused and have few rights.” (Caruso)
The reason that the government of Iraq will remain corrupt and civil abuses will continue is that we won’t bve there to help solidify a true democratic process in government. The reason that America is so poorly thought of in the world is that we never stick around to finish what we start. Too much of the American populace hasn’t the heart or the stomach to see our critical foreign relations efforts through. And they’re too easily led around by politicians whose only concern is political prevalence no matter the cost. President Bush toppled a government in Iraq that was bent on genocide and was oppressive to a degree that most Americans litterally cannot imagine let alone comprehend. When the U.S. military machine rolled into the Iraqi cities they were hailed as heros. Now that they know we will soon be abandoning them, they’re throwing shoes at the President. When McCain said we should stay there for a hundred years he was only being practical. Solidifying the democratic process in Iraq would require U.S. support for the next two generations. We would not be able to change the hearts and minds of the current generation. All we could do for now is work to establish and maintain some degree of security and safety in Iraq. The next generation would truly begin the process of democracy and the generation after that would refine the process. That is, if we were there to support them. But it has become evident that we, the United States of America, doesn’t have the intestinal fortitude to do that. We are a global super power be cause we have the second biggest and the best military hardware inventory on the planet. (China has the biggest.) We have the hardest and the best trained military on the planet. But the general population is weak-willed, gutless and careless of world affairs and the condition of other peoples. That’s the way the world sees us. I cannot argue that they’re wrong.
you know if we went into China and/or N Korea — Caruso would be bitchn bout Iraq — just gotta be bitchn — must be a woman thing — heh !!
If George W. Bush had fulfilled his promise to capture Bin Laden after 9/11, then perhaps the Iraq War would have never had to happen.
Have any of you Bush supporters even thought about that?
But that is wishful thinking because Bush has stated he does not even think about Bin Laden anymore but yet loyal lapdogs of GWB will continue to support him.
Ksfarmgirl made a good point that GWB says ’so what’ about AlQueda not even being in Iraq until he decided to invade.
Does it not bother you loyal Bush lapdogs that each reason Bush gave for invading Iraq has been proven false?
Does it not bother yoy loyal Bush lapdogs that the Iraqi Prime Minister AlMaliki betrayed us by cozing up to the Iran Prsident and promising him security from the US forces in Iraq?
Does it not bother you that we have spent billions of dollars on a war when our own economy is in shambles?
George W. Bush will always be remembered as the Iraq War president – and history will not be kind.
If you throw a shoe with dog crap on the sole,can you also be charged with attempted biological warfare and assault with a smelly weapon? Is a miss as good as a hit?
The Iraqi’s a just like kids, they had a big mean Dad called Sadam taking care of them. Now they have a new step Dad called Uncle Sam, and they don’t like him, they want their step dad to butt out of their life so they can take care of themselves. But Sadam being the Dictator he was never allowed his people to take care of themselves, so they don’t know how. We just need to butt out for awhile until they start bitching for help because of the violence, corruption, and irresponsibility they will face. We will be in Iraq for a long time as WAR made clear with the previous post. It’ll be the next generation of Iraqis that will step up. These Iraq’s that grew up under Sadam’s rule just don’t have what it takes.
But the general population is weak-willed, gutless and careless of world affairs and the condition of other peoples.
Right.
Let’s hear your steely, gutsy, attentive solution to the mess in the Democratic Republic of Congo.
WAR – nice little spin job there.
But even with our trained military in Iraq – Bush saw no problem with sending our troops into Iraq without the proper body armor. And that does not bother you?
But Bush and Cheney saw no problem with paying Halliburton billions of dollars with several millions unaccounted for – all the time our troops are scrounging around in the dumpsters for pieces of metal to protect themselves.
And then you wonder why the American people got tired of Bush?
Mom does it not bother you than prominent democrats from Bill Clinton on down said Saddam was a threat and had to be removed? Why does the left put the blinders on when it comes to GWB but can see clearly when their hate sees Bush?
Until we as a country quit playing the blame game and I mean this about Obama too we are caught in a downward spiral and will destroy ourselves from the inside out.
Iraq today sure sounds like a “somewhat decent place to live.”
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* KHAN DHARI – Nine policemen were killed and 31 wounded when a suicide bomber drove a car full of explosives at their checkpoint in Khan Dhari, in the western outskirts of Baghdad, police said. Another police source put the death toll at three, with 30 wounded.
* TARMIYA – A female suicide bomber detonated an explosive vest in the town of Tarmiya, 25 km (15 miles) north of Baghdad, killing the leader of a U.S.-backed neighbourhood patrol, police said. The man’s son was also wounded.
MOSUL – Gunmen killed seven people from a single family, members of the minority Yazidi sect, when they stormed into their home in the town of Sinjar, west of Mosul. Mosul is 390 km (240 miles) northwest of Baghdad, police said.
MOSUL – Gunmen killed a woman in her home in eastern Mosul, police said. (Reporting by Aseel Kami)
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/KAM529594.htm
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Earlier this year, Iraq announced preliminary deals with GE and Siemens to nearly double electricity generation, worth up to $7 billion. Increasing electricity supplies is an urgent need in a country where many people, more than five years after the U.S.-led invasion unleashed a torrent of violence, still have just hours of state-provided power a day.
http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimited/feeds/afx/2008/12/14/afx5819094.html
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Abdel Bari Atwan, the Palestinian editor of the London-based Al-Quds Al-Arabi daily, defended the Iraqi journalist’s action, saying he must have felt frustrated because of the deterioration in his country.
“The new Iraq that Bush is boasting about has become a mass grave and a battlefield,” he said in an editorial entitled, “An Appropriate Farewell for a War Criminal.”
“One million Iraqis have died and another five million have fled the new democracy of Iraq,” he added.
Atwan, who is known for his anti-American sentiments, said that while he disagreed with the journalist over the method he used to express his opinion, “he was only expressing the opinion of the silent majority of Iraqis who are suffering. There is no water, no electricity and no work opportunities in a country that is supposed to be one of the richest in the Arab world.”
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1228728209836&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Rage
Posted December 16, 2008 at 10:48 am | Permalink
Iraq today sure sounds like a “somewhat decent place to live.”
You’re right rage. On your status report, we should reduce military pay. If they can’t do their jobs, they shouldn’t get paid as much.
Way to go rage, what were you thinking, like a 15% cut?
You’re right rage. On your status report, we should reduce military pay. If they can’t do their jobs, they shouldn’t get paid as much.
Way to go rage, what were you thinking, like a 15% cut?
No.
“Mom does it not bother you than prominent democrats from Bill Clinton on down said Saddam was a threat and had to be removed?”
Then why didnt george the first remove him? Too weak to finish the job? Under Colin’s spell?
He didnt know halliburton needed the money and blackwater wasnt invented yet?
Tell us grmie, why didnt george the first remove saddam while he was over there?
I notice grmie didnt answer Mom’s questions either.
Typical wingnut. They dont answer questions, they only ask them.
Note to Editors:
This thread is almost as good for getting hits up as a Palin Masterbation Thread. Libs are slobbering all over themselves.
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American_Way
Posted December 16, 2008 at 11:17 am | Permalink
Note to Editors:
This thread is almost as good for getting hits up as a Palin Masterbation Thread. Libs are slobbering all over themselves.
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. . . and probably because of laughing so hard at the cons attempts at intelligent discourse.
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beber
Posted December 16, 2008 at 9:29 am | Permalink
“No, but have climbed Mount Vesuvius and looked down the volcano pit” — Fibulus
“Travel to the top of the only active volcano in continental Europe on this fascinating afternoon trip to Mt. Vesuvius from Naples.
You’ll drive through the town of Torre del Greco to Vesuvius National Park, then hike to the summit of Vesuvius to take a walk around the eerie crater at 3,900 feet (1,200 meters). Remember to wear comfortable walking shoes! A medium to high level of fitness is required to complete the climb.
From the summit you’ll have panoramic views of the picturesque Bay of Naples from east to west. Then peer down into the depths of the crater to see plumes of steam issuing from the sleeping, but still active, volcano.”
It’s a $56 tour. What an accomplishment; what an adventure. Why do you even try, Fibulus?
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Funny beber, but wrong…
Me and about 12 others with three guides hiked up the mountain on what I call a very narrow ‘goat path’ from the base of Vesuvius.
It’s not bad until you get about halfway and the road has very slippery basaltic rock and extremely narrow with sheer drops.
Must admit I was gassed from the experience and it took about five hours.
I was so sore the next day, I could hardly walk around Pompeii. And that was when I was running five to six miles a day too.
“I wonder if Alex’s parents are happy with that outcome. They traded their son’s life for a little shoe throwing?”
The words of a true bonehead. Not an effing clue.
Speak with someone who’s grown up in that kind of an oppressive regime before you open your arse next time.
Jesus wept is right.
Iraq to probe ‘custody abuse’ of Bush shoe assailant. Bush’s shoe attacker has broken arm, ribs: brother. http://rawstory.com/
Yep, weez dun cibilized dem inorent Eeeraquis. Shoenuff weez dun it.
Beber–
Given ReguLIAR’s past posts, the one thing you can be sure of is that 1. Reguliar never went to the top of Mt. Vesuvius and 2. he never in his life “jogged 4 to 5 miles a day.”
To Rhonda, the shoe-thrower was a bufoon.
To everyone who wanted to protest in Bush’s face for the past eight years, he’s a hero.
Well done, ordinary Iraqi man.
The only thing I didn’t like was why he insulted dogs by comparing them to WorstPresidentEver.
Heckler is still sticking with the “invasion and occupation was a good thing” meme.
He’s willing to do whatever it takes to win in Iraq except pay for it or fight for it himself.
The “Alexes” of the world are expendable to him . . .
Oh cappy,
So the invasion did nothing worthwhile? That what the posting of what this reporter was able to do versus what would have happened to him 10 years ago.
Funny that he had NOTHING to say about the millions of dead from saddams rise to power, saddams war with iran, saddams invasion of Kuwait, the mass graves, the torture and rape rooms, the use of biological weapons. Oh NO, all those deaths were just okey dokey, because we hadn’t gotten OBL yet.
I have asked this question SO MANY TIMES and yet I still can’t get an answer. What do you think is gonna happen if and when OBL is captured or killed?