The Wichita school district is losing about $119,000 in state funding for driver’s education training this school year, because of a little-known state budget raid during the past legislative session. A percentage of driver’s license fees goes to a safety fund that helps pay for driver’s education programs. But the current state budget approved by lawmakers and Gov. Kathleen Sebelius swiped $1.7 million from that fund to pay for general government services. As a result, school districts are now receiving a $38-per-student reimbursement for driver’s education, rather than the previous level of $108. Wichita expects to teach about 1,700 students this school year, which means a loss of about $119,000. To make matters worse, school districts weren’t told at the time about the cut. Linda Jones, USD 259’s chief financial officer, said she didn’t learn about the cut until last month.
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This is probably only the tip of the iceburg as the Kansas state government reaches downward to get money to pay for its massive coming deficits.
Hey, as long as Bill Warren and AirTran get their money.
Our district already required a massive amount for driver’s ed, thus my kid didn’t get driver’s ed.
And she’s now on the open road, folks.
You anti-tax freaks like Peterjohn need to realize that sure you can take a tax cut, but you’re going to pay for it dearly somewhere else.
Maybe one of those anti-tax folks will get some karma and get hit by a teen driver who couldn’t tax driver’s ed.
Oops, take instead of tax. Haven’t had my coffee yet.
In Garden City there is a $100 fee for Driver’s Ed. At least that is what is was last year when I checked. Probably more now. In our high school you can get credit for a weight lifting class. I laughed out loud when one of the teachers told me there is a “Walking” class. They said it is for lazy kids. I guess classes like this is why Garden City needs a new high school.
Delilah,
Hello fellow G.C.-er!
“This is probably only the tip of the iceburg as the Kansas state government reaches downward to get money to pay for its massive coming deficits.”
Heh. I know it’s still possible for governor “leadership” to be named to a cabinet position, but I’m thinking it’s less and less likely as time goes on. WTF with all this vetting? She needs more vetting after her staff crowed about how she was being vetted for VP? I think obama smelled something in all this “vetting” of sebelius.
Anyway…
I think governor “leadership” thought she’d be long gone from this state by the time her budget tricks and gimmicks came home to roost. She played the legislature, who was only too happy to cut taxes while increasing spending.
WTF? Even a first year economics class would tell ya that you cant decrease income, increase spending, and still survive, much less thrive.
Now? Heh. She’s likely going to have to stay here and face the mess she made with her republican legislative enablers. They never met a business tax they didnt want to cut. They never met a Peter they didnt love to rob to pay Paul.
And they never met a voter with enough sense to come in out of the rain.
Do kansans just ENJOY being lied to about their state budget? Is THAT why we keep electing the least competent fiscal managers in the state and sending them to Topeka?
Hell, maybe there is a career on Wall Street for these lying liars who couldnt balance a checkbook for a ten dollar savings account.
Kansas voters? You chose ‘em. Now you gotta live with them.
And the piper wants his money for that tax cutting tune…
“…a “Walking” class. They said it is for lazy kids. I guess classes like this is why Garden City needs a new high school.” — Delilah
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Welcome to WEBlog, Delilah.
You can probably bet your last dollar it will need to be a BIG high school! Walking needs some space to be really effective…
Heh.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081202/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_governors
So the nation’s governors, including our own governor “leadership” are making their pilgrimage to obama’s court to whiiiiine and ask for THEIR bailout.
AFTER they cut taxes for businesses, robbed their social service programs blind, and then pushed the fiscal problems down to the counties and cities.
Remember when sebelius and the republican controlled legislature halted state sales tax payment sharing with counties and cities to balance the tax cutting budget?
Remember when SHE and her republican legislative enablers cut taxes that went to the counties that were based on business equipment and inventories?
Remember?
Heheheheheheheh.
And I’m so SURE that when she and the other states get their handouts, they are going to use it to bail out local government. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
So..how’s that supply side, cut taxes for businesses economics working for Kansas?
Take a look. Not so well. But please, keep doing the same things over and over and expecting different results.
Now… who wants to bet some koolaide drinkin’ con will chime in here to say the problem is that we didnt cut business taxes ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!
jesus WEPT.
Does ANY school in this state teach even basic economics?
kfg,
You’ve shown you know how to whine so what are your solutions? Do you want to tax everyone out of business and set up a totalitarian socialist state?
I and several hundred thousand other Christians in Kansas would appreciate if you wouldn’t take the Lord’s name in vain.
Try ksfarmgrrl whined!
Give us a break and take your agitation somewhere else.
“I and several hundred thousand other Christians in Kansas would appreciate if you wouldn’t take the Lord’s name in vain.”
I don’t know about kfg.
I’M gonna file that under “who gives a damn?”
Get over yourself donnie.
“donndublin” gives us –
“Do you want to tax everyone out of business and set up a totalitarian socialist state?”
Of course. That’s the only alternative, after all.
“I and several hundred thousand other Christians in Kansas would appreciate if you wouldn’t take the Lord’s name in vain.”
“ksfarmgrrl” merely quotes scripture and is accused of taking the Lord’s name in vain?
You and several hundred thousand other “christians” should read the book.
But since all that reading might make your lips tired, watch the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RV46fsmx6E
Quit stealing money from our kids and our schools.
Pilfer the state Guard or something else instead.
To me, the larger issue in this is whether driver’s education should be taught in the schools at all. If so, then the next question is whether the students and their families should pay the total costs of the program, or should the state fund it, in whole or in part.
My personal opinion is that driver’s ed should be a summer only program, with the students and families picking up the entire tab.
As I have spent most of my life driving in Kansas, I would really appreciate it if the state not only restored funding for Driver’s Ed, but made passing it a requirement for getting a license!
Jed,
Understand your position. What about making it a requirement to obtain a license passing either driver’s ed or a private driving school course? Something more than getting a learner’s permit and being instructed by parents, e.g. to get the license.
BJ
“I’M gonna file that under “who gives a damn?”
Try 80% of the American population. I guess you don’t give a damn about the 80%.
“Get over yourself donnie.”
I find that ironic coming from someone who worships at the socialist alter you have set up in front of your mirror. Talk about getting over yourself.
Monkey,
With the brain of a monkey I see why you don’t know when someone is using sarcasm to make a sick point. I thought you libs were the champions of tolerance. Does that make you feel superior? Do you think those same type of jokes about blacks, gays, Jews, Muslims,or women are funny as well? I’d like to see you pull one of those tricks in Saudi Arabia. You’d have your head cut off and shoved up you blasphemous ass.
I sure do get tired of turning the other cheek to pompous pricks like you.
avtolle,
Considering that Wichita, a city of about 400,000, has only two small private driving schools and most towns in Kansas have none at all, it seems a bit impractical to require them to be responsible for teaching the hordes of teenagers for whom that laminated card with their photo represents a ticket to freedom. Driving is a basic skill in our society, just as much as math, sex and reading. Given how their parents drive, this is a subject better taught in school- to all of ‘em!
P.S.
Monkey,
“You and several hundred thousand other “christians” should read the book.”
Most of us have. I would suggest you read it too but it might make the demons you harbor rip out your guts through you asshole as they flee. Then you’d look like a baboon instead of a monkey.
“donndublin
Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:44 am | Permalink
…Do you think those same type of jokes about blacks, gays, Jews, Muslims,or women are funny as well?”
I do.
Did you hear the one about the black Muslim woman who walked into a gay bar?
“Jed
Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:50 am | Permalink
…Driving is a basic skill in our society, just as much as math, sex and reading. Given how their parents drive, this is a subject better taught in school- to all of ‘em!”
The government is actually going to try to apply its massively successful abstinence only program to drivers ed. If that works they will expand it to math and reading
donndublin,
I would appreciate if you would not apply the label of Christian for yourself.
You are probably the guy with the WWJD? bumper sticker and Jesus fish who tailgates then zooms around, giving me the finger, and cuts me off, all without signaling.
donndublin,
Okay, how’s this for not taking the lord’s name in vain- Please refrain from publicly committing partial cranial-anal sodomy upon yourself; it severely limits your field of vision. Either pull it out or shove it in until your mouth is enclosed. Don’t be a piker!
By the way, KFG has been a highly respected blogger here for some several years. She also fries some of the best chicken in the state. Dump your load someplace else, preferably far away and down-wind!
In our rural area, drivers ed is about two weeks long. Don’t really know how much it cost. But nearly all the kids know how to drive already. In fact, I would consider it a parental failure if they went into drivers ed not knowing how to drive. After a week of textbook, they load them in a car and away they go! Not knowing how to drive already could get them, and others, killed.
Used to be that kids could get insurance breaks for taking Drivers Ed and for getting good grades. Not wanting to discriminate against underachievers, they dropped both programs, I believe. THey might have reinstaed them. My youngest is 24.
Brian,
That particular Abstinence Only program seems to be primarily a Green Party issue (with occasional help from Exxon-Mobil) and is fairly impractical in a state the size of Kansas. That’s probably why the Greens didn’t get all that many votes this election.
Thank you all for your support.
However, this?
donndublin
Posted December 2, 2008 at 10:51 am | Permalink
Is one of the funniest posts I’ve ever seen!!!!!
HAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH
I, and several thousand other gay people would appreciate it if you and your so called christian dominionists would go to hell.
Soon.
“After a week of textbook, they load them in a car and away they go!”
I can’t say for SURE.
But I don’t think so. That was not MY drivers ed experience. That was more than 20 years ago.
But the other day? I saw one of the high school drivers ed cars on my street. There WAS an adult riding shotgun. The young girl at the wheel was doing a driveway turn around. I gave her a thumbs up as I passed by. I bet that made her day.
Driving really IS a fundamental life skill in the world we have made.
hee hee hee heeeeeee….
This one is just for you donnie boy.
Let’s see if you are brave enough to click.
I’m betting no.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×4570772
I don’t see what the problem is with this.
I know if I had a kid, as a parent should care, besides the school teaching them, I would be teaching my kid how to drive too.
At lease that seems to be what most parents do for their children?
BlueJay
Posted December 2, 2008 at 1:00 pm | Permalink
“After a week of textbook, they load them in a car and away they go!”
I can’t say for SURE.
But I don’t think so. That was not MY drivers ed experience. That was more than 20 years ago.”
I CAN SAY FOR SURE!It was my driver’s ed experience in the 1970s.s was my kids esxperience in the 90’s, and is the experience of the kids in my neck of the woods now.
Well then you aint living in Wichita.
The cars here go out with an instructor who has passenger seat brakes. At least they had the brakes when I was in drivers ed. I KNOW they still have the instructor because I saw one the other day. Presumably, in your “rural area” most of the kids would be farm kids who would have already had behind the wheel experience on the farm.
Now you riddle me this. How exactly would I teach my son to drive here in town without risking an encounter with law enforcement?
“Wiseman
Posted December 2, 2008 at 1:44 pm | Permalink
I don’t see what the problem is with this.
I know if I had a kid, as a parent should care, besides the school teaching them, I would be teaching my kid how to drive too.
At lease that seems to be what most parents do for their children?”
For many of the people here, that would be like an illiterate parent teaching their kid to read.
“BlueJay
Posted December 2, 2008 at 2:01 pm | Permalink
Well then you aint living in Wichita.
Now you riddle me this. How exactly would I teach my son to drive here in town without risking an encounter with law enforcement?”
Learner’s Permit
I think driver’s ed should be on a wage based sliding scale, since there’s an ins. discount for having taken the course, I believe.
The people needing the discount the most would be the same ones not being able to afford the class, otherwise.
The people needing the discount the most would be the same ones not being able to afford the class, otherwise.
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If they can’t afford the class what makes you think they can afford a car to drive?
“BlueJay
Posted December 2, 2008 at 2:01 pm | Permalink
“Well then you aint living in Wichita.”
Correct.
” I KNOW they still have the instructor because I saw one the other day”
Correct.
“Now you riddle me this. How exactly would I teach my son to drive here in town without risking an encounter with law enforcement?”
I wouldn;t teach your son to drive in town. I would drive out into the county and the switch places. You don;t need to risk an encounter with law enforcement. You can get a learners permit.
Not as worried about cutting drivers ed but I am about how no-one heard about it till now. Drivers ed should be an elective IMO…and at least partially funded by the students family.
Davos, driver’s ed is an elective in 259, funded in part by the student and family (at least when offered in the Summer, and, I suspect, when offered during the academic year). There was a big debate a few years ago when the BOE raised the “price”, which is an option I feel will again need to be explored.
As to why no one heard about it before now, seems to me that someone within 259 wasn’t following the legislative session closely (IMO).
ANTI
Posted December 2, 2008 at 2:55 pm | Permalink
The people needing the discount the most would be the same ones not being able to afford the class, otherwise.
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If they can’t afford the class what makes you think they can afford a car to drive?
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I want car thieves to have the same instruction as non car thieves. :-)
Looks like I need to lighten up a bit on the 259 folks. The link in the header is to an article from the Lawrence paper and they had the same experience up there. Seems Lawrence now charges $120 for driver’s ed, and are contemplating increasing the fee by $70 to cover.
Went to the 259 website, and ascertained that the total fee plus permit plus textbook rental and workbook for driver’s ed is $119.47, if the class is taken during the academic year, with reduced amounts charged for those students on the “Free and Reduced Lunch” program.
Based on my experiences around town, they need to work on “cell driving” as it’s seemingly everywhere. I particularly notice it when I’m on my motorcycle.
Most insurance companies offer a discount for young drivers who’ve passed Driver’s Ed. If business thinks it’s worthwhile there must be a benefit.
If, for no other reason than exposing kids to those gruesome “Prom Night – Dead Night” and other such glorious metal porn as –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqmnNgzlEl8&feature=related
Are those worse than “Reefer Madness”?
“gster” –
About the same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1rcDIUwToA&feature=related
kfg,
“I, and several thousand other gay people would appreciate it if you and your so called christian dominionists would go to hell. Soon.”
The only “dominionsits” I know are the one’s with strap ones like you. Then of course there’s the fist fetish boys Jed and Brian. I don’t care what you freaks do, just stay out of my face with it and keep away from my kids. Don’t bash what I hold to be dear and I won’t force you to believe anything. That’s not my responsibility.
I guess I struck a nerve with I tried to compare Christian bashing with gay bashing. Since when did gays become a sacred cow? You have taken hypocrisy to a higher level conciseness to put in “new age” babble and you’ve become worse what you hate imagined or real.
I see you guys like to gang up on someone with your “dominionsits” tactics and I’m soooooo scared just like when I clinked on that website. Sorry you lose the bet.
We’ll see who blinks first.
hee hee heeeeee. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
You are so easy to get to it isnt even fun.
Be afraid. Lock up your kids and your wives. Get your gun and hide out in the church and wait for our raid, with our eeeeeeevil gay agenda tatooed on our foreheads. Who knows what horrible things we may subject you to. We might make you watch Desperate Housewives for weeks on end.
Hehehehehehehehe.
A bedwetter and a dominionist. Twofer.
Does your mommy know you are on the computer? Or does she leave you alone if you stay in the basement?
What nic do we usually know you under there “donnie”?
Hey Towfer,
You might want to try plastic sheets, or do you love smelling of filth like a dog that rolls in stink?
BJ,
Figure it out chump. I’m someone who’s been there and back more than once.
heeheheheheheh. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
nitwit
somebody needs a nappy and a cookie….
“You might want to try plastic sheets, or do you love smelling of filth like a dog that rolls in stink?”
Heheheh. HEE HEE HEE HEEEEE…
Such a good christian. It makes the baby jesus cry when you say nonsense like that.
must be terry fox’s kid
Somebody’s posting drunk again.
Another thread ruined by “I’m gay and can’t get my way” agenda.
kfg,
“Hehehehehehehehe.
A bedwetter and a dominionist. Twofer.”
“heeheheheheheh. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA”
“somebody needs a nappy and a cookie….”
“Heheheh. HEE HEE HEE HEEEEE…”
“Somebody’s posting drunk again.”
What a descriptive self portrait you’ve made. They told me in AA that it’s useless to dialog with someone intoxicated. I’d be foolish to argue with a fool.
Here’s winking at ya ;)
Don’t puke on yourself.
Scroll up and read reg. It wasnt me who brought up “the gay”. Or christians.
AA huh? heheheh. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Either a dry drunk or someone fell off, er, JUMPED off the wagon.
Explains it all.
Maybe he/she will pass out.
Soon.
On second thought, keep posting.
I cant think of a better way to show the true face of christian dominionists.
And to recruit more athiests!
It is clear that donmdublin either doesn’t know what a dominionist is, or is simply another troll trying to get responses by posting nonsense.
After all, 80% of this country is upset about ksfarmgrrl posting “Jesus wept”.
“I and several hundred thousand other Christians in Kansas would appreciate if you wouldn’t take the Lord’s name in vain.”
[FE]Yes, because “several hundred’ Christians in Kansas read this blog diligently every day.[/FE]
Back on topic, ksfarmgrrl talked about the unfortunate tendancy of states like ours to cut taxes and increase spending at the same time, particularly in economic good times. Not a thought about actually holding the line on spending during economic good times and saving for the inevitable rainy day.
And the people who are most vulnerable, those with mental illness or developmental disabilities, are about to pay the price.
Again.
Encouraging my kid to read here. Put on a nice show of what a good Christian is for him!
Hey Reg,
“Another thread ruined by “I’m gay and can’t get my way” agenda.”
Thanks for the warning.
Here’s the sequence. You can see how sly she pulls the thread into the gutter. She can stay down there as far as I’m concerned. The smell will gag ya.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted December 2, 2008 at 8:56 am | Permalink
“jesus WEPT.
Does ANY school in this state teach even basic economics?”
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donndublin
Posted December 2, 2008 at 10:51 am | Permalink
kfg,
You’ve shown you know how to whine so what are your solutions? Do you want to tax everyone out of business and set up a totalitarian socialist state?
I and several hundred thousand other Christians in Kansas would appreciate if you wouldn’t take the Lord’s name in vain.
Try ksfarmgrrl whined!
Give us a break and take your agitation somewhere else.
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BlueJay
Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:03 am | Permalink
“I and several hundred thousand other Christians in Kansas would appreciate if you wouldn’t take the Lord’s name in vain.”
I don’t know about kfg.
I’M gonna file that under “who gives a damn?”
Get over yourself donnie.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:04 am | Permalink
“donndublin” gives us –
“Do you want to tax everyone out of business and set up a totalitarian socialist state?”
Of course. That’s the only alternative, after all.
“I and several hundred thousand other Christians in Kansas would appreciate if you wouldn’t take the Lord’s name in vain.”
“ksfarmgrrl” merely quotes scripture and is accused of taking the Lord’s name in vain?
You and several hundred thousand other “christians” should read the book.
But since all that reading might make your lips tired, watch the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RV46fsmx6E
#
ksfarmgrrl
Posted December 2, 2008 at 12:25 pm | Permalink
Thank you all for your support.
However, this?
Is one of the funniest posts I’ve ever seen!!!!!
HAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH
I, and several thousand other gay people would appreciate it if you and your so called christian dominionists would go to hell.
Soon.
?????????????????????????????????????????????????
Hey Reg,
missed one.
#
donndublin
Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:44 am | Permalink
BJ
“I’M gonna file that under “who gives a damn?”
Try 80% of the American population. I guess you don’t give a damn about the 80%.
“Get over yourself donnie.”
I find that ironic coming from someone who worships at the socialist alter you have set up in front of your mirror. Talk about getting over yourself.
Monkey,
With the brain of a monkey I see why you don’t know when someone is using sarcasm to make a sick point. I thought you libs were the champions of tolerance. Does that make you feel superior? Do you think those same type of jokes about blacks, gays, Jews, Muslims,or women are funny as well? I’d like to see you pull one of those tricks in Saudi Arabia. You’d have your head cut off and shoved up you blasphemous ass.
I sure do get tired of turning the other cheek to pompous pricks like you.
Sounds like you’ve got a personal problem, “donndublin” –
Perhaps you need a meeting.
Wow, that’s pretty funny. I am sly, arent I?
Jesus W…. oh… nevermind….
heheheh. HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAH
nitwits
Re: dommdublin
DNTTCT
I’d correct my last post, but that would ruin the spirit of the message.
Agnatha
Posted December 2, 2008 at 7:16 pm | Permalink
And the people who are most vulnerable, those with mental illness or developmental disabilities, are about to pay the price.
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This explains her posts.
“This explains her posts.”
Re: Jim Johnson
DNFTT
More proof.
“JimJohnson” asks for –
“More proof.”
And in your case, I suspect 80 or 90 proof.
Agatha,
“It is clear that donmdublin either doesn’t know what a dominionist is”
It’s clear that you don’t comprehend the content or you would know the context.
Hmmm.
Hungover?
Or still drinking.
You decide….
Monkey,
Since my divorce I don’t need the Alanon meetings. However, since you are powerless to your demons I would suggest an exorcism.
Why is that left wing loons always try to hide their motives and actions by pointing their little finger at someone else?
Don’t they realize their other three fingers are pointing right back at themselves.
They’re real slow at sidestepping because the flack always seems to stick.
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Rage
Posted December 3, 2008 at 3:47 pm | Permalink
“Thanks for the feedback, KFG.
Federal employment non-discrimination legislation is on the agenda, but it will take more than gay people making noise to get it passed. The rest of us need to make noise too, and big-time noise.”
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Many people “did make noise” when they voted. The Afro-Americans did overwhelmingly.
“Another thread ruined by “I’m gay and can’t get my way” agenda.”