Think there’s no stone left unturned in the presidential campaign? Not so, according to Politico, which compiled this list of “10 of the top missing documents from campaign 2008″: The cases on which Barack Obama worked as a Chicago attorney over parts of 11 years. Sarah Palin’s e-mails. Joe Biden’s earmark requests prior to fiscal 2009. The McCains’ full tax returns. Obama’s state Senate records and schedules. Palin’s college transcripts. Obama’s Columbia University thesis. All four candidates’ medical records. Obama’s small donors. John McCain’s flight records for campaign use of a Cessna Citation Excel owned by a company controlled by his wife.
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Of course not. It’s much more important to argue about William Ayers, or McCain calling Obama “that one.”
Who’s job is it to get that information to the public?
I’d kind of like to know what Obama’s Civilian National Defense Force is going to look like?
“I’d kind of like to know what Obama’s Civilian National Defense Force is going to look like?”
Heckler,
Your tin-foil hat is showing. Get a grip, dude. Today is historic – enjoy it.
Who’s job is it to get that information to the public?
Point taken. The Fourth Estate has been less than diligent in recent years.
P.S. Obama’s state Senate records and schedules.
Obama’s state Senate record is actually quite available, just not in a particularly user-friendly form.
http://www.ilga.gov/
Oh Jesus, the last thing we need is more dirt flying around…give it a rest.
What we still don’t know about the candidates-
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Turns out Obama is secretly Amish and McCain is Muslim….Who would have guessed?
“Oh Jesus, the last thing we need is more dirt flying around…give it a rest.”
Heheheheh Mary. Do you know the Neil Young song “Rust Never Sleeps”? Neither do cons or the rot they bring to the party.
Get ready for at least four years of whining, sniveling, and panty sniffing. The con work of making the election delegitimate is well on it’s way. When they cant win by cheating, they’ll just work to impeach.
There is no joy in mudville today!
ANTI
Posted November 4, 2008 at 8:31 am | Permalink
What we still don’t know about the candidates-
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Turns out Obama is secretly Amish and McCain is Muslim….Who would have guessed?
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That’s hilarious.
Mr. Kia, this explains why McCain likes to fight and Obama wants to put us back in the stone age. :)
Rage
Posted November 4, 2008 at 6:24 am | Permalink
Of course not. It’s much more important to argue about William Ayers, or McCain calling Obama “that one.”
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With so little of Obama’s background known, his associations are very important to get an idea of his world view.
Ayers was never discussed enough.
Mr Kia must like to beat dead horses??? Give it up. There were prominent Republicans on the same board as Ayers – does that make them all terrorists too?
As for not not knowing Obama’s world view – how about Bush’s New World Order and the Neo-Con thinking that has brought us to where we are today?
You don’t like Obama, that’s fine but don’t question the man’s worldview when you obviously support others with some questionable world views.
kfg writes:
“Get ready for at least four years of whining, sniveling, and panty sniffing. ”
And that is different than the 4 years of whining about a ’stolen election’ in what way?
KFG,
Those 4 more years of whining and sniveling are nothing more than an extension of their 8 years of the same over Clinton.
Don’t tell us to get over it until you do.
Ayers is not a dead horse to me.
There is alot more to that relationship that serving on a board together.
As far as a worldview, I’m in full support of what is referred to as the Bush Doctrine.
The question is why wouldn’t you?
Rhonda left out Obama’s ‘vault copy of birth certificate’, and I’m just wondering why the RWE isn’t calling for his Grandmother’s death certificate yet!
Oh, yea, Mccain’s info on his wreck at the base gate.
“Ayers is not a dead horse to me.”
We know. Ride it! A long ways and very quickly. Maybe you could surprise us with more than innuendo.
Nice job by the press: CYA, cover your -ss
This way, if anything becomes known AFTER the election, you cannot blame the press for not doing their job and covering the issues.
Why else for this post? It just shows how little investigative reporting a newspaper presents these days.
And they can be fair in this post.
It was far more important (read easy for the lazy ass press) to talk about how much the RNC spent on Palin’s wardrobe.
Yeah, sure.
“littlejohn
Posted November 4, 2008 at 9:28 am | Permalink
It was far more important (read easy for the lazy ass press) to talk about how much the RNC spent on Palin’s wardrobe.”
Or Obama’s birth certificate.
“littlejohn” –
Perhaps you’ve forgotten the chief strategist for John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) state in no uncertain terms, “…this campaign is about the issues, we’re sure to lose.”
Yeah, the news media could have been more issues oriented, but none of the CONs in this forum would even click an issues-oriented link that referenced the New York Times or addressed the multitude of flip-flops McCancer made on just about every issue he built his reputation on in 2000.
Instead, you whined about Obama’s Hawaiian birth certificate, a four-second sound bite culled from 20 years of Jeremiah Wright sermons, Barack’s grandmother supposedly faking her final illness, and on and on and on.
And, facing the defeat of your pathetic party’s mismanaged campaign and unbalanced candidates, you revert to the hoary old “it’s the media’s fault” excuse.
StevenE
“Heckler,
Your tin-foil hat is showing. Get a grip, dude. Today is historic – enjoy it.”
Obama said he want’s a Civilian National Defense force with power and funding equal to the regular military.
He says so, I don’t.
I just wonder what it’s gonna be like.
with power and funding equal to the regular military.
How can we afford two armies?
Obama said he want’s a Civilian National Defense force with power and funding equal to the regular military.
Haven’t you heard? Ayers is going to be the supreme commander of the force!
Acorn’s going to supply the troops!
I was disappointed the press didn’t dig into mccain’s statement that he actually was able to control the timing of his release from POW captivity. I mean if they wanted to release him, all they had to do was release him, how could he have stopped them?
Just doesn’t make any sense.
Acorn’s going to supply the troops!
Conservatives have until Jan. 25 to report for their yellow “C” badges and clown noses.
“Instead, you whined about Obama’s Hawaiian birth certificate, a four-second sound bite culled from 20 years of Jeremiah Wright sermons, Barack’s grandmother supposedly faking her final illness, and on and on and on.”
I did not. Please indicate where I did so.
“And, facing the defeat of your pathetic party’s mismanaged campaign and unbalanced candidates, you revert to the hoary old “it’s the media’s fault” excuse.”
It was a POLITICO article not my whining. Ad sorry, it’s the truth, don;t try and bury it because of it’s source, or it doesn;t cast a holy light upon Obama, coronating him as Farrakans Messiah. IT t talked about both candidates, and last of all,
MCCAIN IS NOT MY CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT! He will never get my vote. Get over it.
Your partisan blinders just went all the way over your eyes. Too bad.
bth
Posted November 4, 2008 at 9:32 am | Permalink
“littlejohn
Posted November 4, 2008 at 9:28 am | Permalink
It was far more important (read easy for the lazy ass press) to talk about how much the RNC spent on Palin’s wardrobe.”
“Or Obama’s birth certificate.”
agreed.
“Civilian National Defense force”
Isn’t that sort of what the National Guard used to be?
mom
Posted November 4, 2008 at 9:01 am | Permalink
Mr Kia must like to beat dead horses??? Give it up. There were prominent Republicans on the same board as Ayers – does that make them all terrorists too?
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When you were growing up did your mom let you use the ‘he did it first’ argument when you were in trouble?
Those others on that board aren’t running for prez. When/if they do they should be vetted just as he should have been.
“Civilian National Defense force ”
I hate to say it: But I told you so.
Nazi Brownshirts=ACORN=Obama
I’ve been posting it for months.
You all did notice that it is a newspaper reporter with his finger on his lips going, “shhhhhhhh!”
“You all did notice that it is a newspaper reporter with his finger on his lips going, “shhhhhhhh!””
Are they refering to the Eagle’s lack of a Presidental endorsement??
For a bunch of CONs who got up on their hind legs and brayed about how worthless they considered newspaper endorsements, the lack of one in the Eagle seems to be just another reason you guys can bitch about something.
The probable answer is the editorial board could reach a consensus. Of course that means some on the board probably supported Obama and others backed John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term).
Of course, such an outcome belies all you CONs’ whining about how “liberal” the evil Eagle is. But reality rarely seems to matter to you guys.
My guess is they didn’t want to lose more subscribers.
One would think they would write something about not endorsing.
“worthless they considered newspaper endorsements, the lack of one in the Eagle seems to be just another reason you guys can bitch”
Monkeyhawk, prove me wrong: There is no “bunch of cons” “bitching” upthread about the lack of an Eagle endorsement.
The Tucson Citizen (our other daily) doesn’t endorse candidates for president.
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/ss/elections_other/101506.php
“Civilian National Defense Force” already in place?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCeD1RcJjAg
“Civilian National Defense Force” already in place?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCeD1RcJjAg
Oh, give me a break, Sam. Fixed News quotes Republican officials as saying two Black Panthers were “intimidating” voters. This is less than nothing.
A sane critique of what Obama was talking about, from Eugene Volokh (hardly a darling of the liberal intellingentsia):
http://volokh.com/posts/1216451854.shtml
I assume they didn’t endorse as it would be a waste of type print, since Mccain is a given in Kansas, why show their bias?
I assume they didn’t endorse as it would be a waste of type print, since Mccain is a given in Kansas, why show their bias?
They’ve always endorsed before. I think MH is correct: the editorial board was probably evenly split.
Yeah Rage, I’m pretty sure Fox News just made it up and faked the video. It’s just information, it won’t make a bit of difference in the overall election. As for me.. I think is stinks when either side cheats.
If it against them, it is fake. Did you miss the memo?
What I found most interesting is that stanch atheists are such great supporters of the Christian candidate Barack Obama and all the Christians are great supporters of a candidate that is reported not even a church member. It is great to see atheists supporting a Christian while Christians are now open to supporting someone who is not a church member.
“They’ve always endorsed before. I think MH is correct: the editorial board was probably evenly split.”
That doesn’t make sense. If they were split, they would have said so. Something else is going on.
It can’t be a McClatchy thing. The KC Star endorsed nearly a party line ticket, including Obama.
I suspect a fear of further subscription cancellations in this Republican area.
fleettwood
Posted November 4, 2008 at 12:47 pm | Permalink
“They’ve always endorsed before. I think MH is correct: the editorial board was probably evenly split.”
That doesn’t make sense. If they were split, they would have said so. Something else is going on.
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I agree. The Eagle is in financial trouble. Right now the can not afford to make either side mad.
Or maybe they just forgot.
“fleettwood” claims –
If the Wichita Eagle editorial board “…were split, they would have said so.”
And you know this how, “fleettwood?” What makes you privy to the inner workings of the Wichita Eagle’s endorsement policies and procedures?
Be specific.
“Something else is going on.”
Don’t stop there. Fill this forum with your special insight, “fleettwood.” We’re all eager to learn from the font of CON enlightenment.
RightAngle,
Does going to church make someone a Christian?
Sigh. . . . no, Fox didn’t fake the video, there was nothing on the video to begin with.
So much for anything approaching honesty with some people.
MonkeyHawk,
And you know this how?
“The probable answer is the editorial board could reach a consensus. Of course that means some on the board probably supported Obama and others backed John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term).”
“outlander” and “RightAngle” –
Silly, seat-of-your-pants theories that mean nothing. Unless of course, you share “fleettwood’s” knowledge of the Eagle editorial board’s inner workings.
Or, you could just do what you CONs regularly do her and make something up.
MH: The exact same thing could be said about your comment, you goofball.
“Nathaniel” –
I’ve worked in political campaigns. I’ve been in editorial board interviews with candidates. I have friends and associates you’ve served on editorial boards. I’ve seen some papers who could not reach a consensus run side-by-side opinion pieces, point-counterpoint, to address an endorsement (usually on issues, but once with both candidates).
And your experience working with newspaper editorial boards is… what, precisely, boy?
If you click, “About,” at the top of the page you’ll find both email addresses and phone numbers for The Eagle editors. You could pose your question of endorsements / lack of endorsements to them.
MonkeyHawk,
So your evidence was what again?
“Outlander” attempts to refute my personal experience with –
“…you goofball.”
I mean, really.
Twenty questions. If you answer those there will be twenty more. What could be more boring? Oh, yes, I’ll go compete with the wind and see if I can move the leaves where I want them before the wind decides where they will go. Sure beats the old 20 questions game.
Personal experience, my rear. Details please, and its relevance to this editorial board, you goofball.
“I’ve seen some papers who could not reach a consensus run side-by-side opinion pieces,…”
But you didn’t see this paper do that.
Monkeyhawk,
Yesterday BlueJay indicated that you would be flying out of my ass. Please give me advanced warning so that I can brace myself.
Thank You,
ANTI
Nathaniel
Posted November 4, 2008 at 12:55 pm | Permalink
RightAngle,
Does going to church make someone a Christian?
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No, of course not. But I just found it very entertaining to read the atheist bash religion and then support the “Christian Candidate” and the Religious Right supporting the candidate that even become a church member to get the Christians’ votes.
Monkeyhawk
Posted November 4, 2008 at 12:57 pm | Permalink
“outlander” and “RightAngle” –
Silly, seat-of-your-pants theories that mean nothing. Unless of course, you share “fleettwood’s” knowledge of the Eagle editorial board’s inner workings.
Or, you could just do what you CONs regularly do her and make something up.
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What did I make up?
“outlander” shares –
“Personal experience, my rear.”
Perhaps you’re confusing me with a bus depot rent boy, “outlander.”
I’ve never personally experienced your rear. (Although I’m sure it’s hard for you to keep track of all of ‘em.)
“ANTI” tries –
“Monkeyhawk,
Yesterday BlueJay indicated that you would be flying out of my ass. Please give me advanced warning so that I can brace myself.”
Another strange post from a CON that proves them to be fixated on anal pleasuring.
Have you ever been a rent boy at the bus depot? Perhaps you and “outlander” might be due for a reunion.
Dear Phillip: MonkeyHawk thinks that you didn’t endorse a presidential candidate because you and Rhonda couldn’t agree on it. Is that true?
If so, you obviously need a clear thinking person to break your ties. I am available.
Regards,
outlander
“(Although I’m sure it’s hard for you to keep track of all of ‘em.)”
I don’t think making fun of homos is helpful.
Let me get this straight: now we’re arguing over who’s best at guessing why the Eagle didn’t endorse?
Yeah. It’s election day, all right. :roll:
I’ve never personally experienced your rear. (Although it’s hard to keep track of all of ‘em.) – Monkeyhawk
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There you have it.
Another strange post from a CON that proves them to be fixated on anal pleasuring.
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Monkey, your buddy BlueJay brought it up…He’s a Lib.
“Nathaniel” –
What part of “the probable answer” do you not understand?
“Let me get this straight: now we’re arguing over who’s best at guessing why the Eagle didn’t endorse?”
Don’t you think it strange? They endorsed all kinds of candidates, except the big one.
’sup with that?
’sup with that?
I don’t know. Why don’t you ask them?
MonkeyHawk,
Why is that the probable answer?
Nathaniel, get in line buddy. Single file.
He hasn’t answered my question yet.
(”Close”, “March”)
Well RightAngle,
If you have not figured it out yet, there are those people who claim to be Christians like Chas and CapnAmerica who don’t actually believe half the things that actually make someone a Christian.
And if you noticed, all the liberals and “athiests” who don’t like Christians (the ones who actually believe the things that make someone a Christian) love Chas and CapnAmerica.
Meanwhile, those of us “Super Christians” ( from Ben) who actually believe the things a Christian should believe, are mocked and made fun of and rejected by the liberals and “athiests”
Then several of you come along and start using things like going to church to judge who is a Christian and who is not.
And I am treated like a red headed step child for using things like actually believing that Christ is the way to God and Heaven is what makes someone a Christian…
Go figure.
Nathaniel,
I am just wondering, what you consider to be the two greatest commandments given by God. Which do you consider to be number one and number two? I am not talking about the Ten Commandments.
“As far as a worldview, I’m in full support of what is referred to as the Bush Doctrine.
The question is why wouldn’t you?”
Mr.Kia I do not support the Bush Doctrine because I am over 12 years old and do not think like a school yard bully. I can see the Untied States of America actually standing up to any other large country. Whom assume because they are a large country they have the right and privilege of invoking its will upon the rest of the world.
I do not support the thought that somehow there does not have to be a real threat. That just the thinking about maybe, kind of, might in the next four hundred years could if the wind blows out of the East be a threat. As a justification for warring upon another country. It has never been what Americans has been about and is a thought that is no better the raping a woman because she might enjoy it!
I do not believe someone whom is forced to be a friend to me is worthy of being my friend. They are not my friend because we share a common interests and they are not concerned about my welfare. Nor by forcing them to be my friend would I care about they welfare either.
I do not follow the judgment that because something good came out of something horrible. That it is a justification for causing something horrible, those that thought up the Bush Doctrine often point to how well the outcome of the United States invading and occupying Germany and Japan and now they are healthy capitalist economies, Democratic governments that are allies and friends to the U.S.
To follow that logic, if twenty years ago an Orphanage burn to the ground and cause the death of 150 Orphans. But now the same ground holds a hospital that every year saves 500 lives. Than we should go to every Orphanage in the middle of the night. Chain the doors and set it ablaze. To spread these wonderful hospitals across the nation!
No I do not and can not support the Bush Doctrine this country is greater and more honorable than a 12 Y.O. school yard bully.