Pro/con: Does Palin have future on national political stage?

The Republican base loves Sarah Palin. Independents concluded she wasn’t ready. This flaw can be overcome with time and useful experience.
And there is really no deadline for her interest in national office. Palin is a strikingly young 44 years old. You’re going to hear a lot of buzz about her as a 2012 candidate, but I don’t think that she needs to run in four years. I don’t think that love from the Republican base is going to dissipate. She stepped up to the plate and hit the ball as far as she could this time around, and for about two weeks, she helped achieve the near-impossible: putting McCain ahead in a Democratic year.
- Jim Geraghty, National Review Online

Throughout the entirety of American history, only three losing vice presidential candidates have managed to ever come back and win their parties’ nomination. Many of the losing running mates have discovered that the country is not kind to a loser. Some of the failed candidates, such as Joe Lieberman, Edmund Muskie and John Edwards, made disappointing bids for the presidency in the next election. Others never again succeeded in capturing elective or appointive office.
Palin may be trying to lay the groundwork for 2012, but she should realize that building a campaign based on a losing vice presidential run is a weak place to start.
- Joshua Spivak, MarketWatch.com

94 Comments

  1. JWink
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 5:41 am | Permalink

    Let’s hope so.

  2. Jed
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 6:01 am | Permalink

    Sure- she can start a workshop for former bankers and real estate speculators on how to shoot, field-dress and prepare rats for culinary delights. They’re going to need some survival skills after they’ve partied away the bail-out money! She also may have to reveal Jesus’ special techniques for turning water into a passable red wine to serve with their rat parmesan over food-bank pasta and day-old garlic bread. Who knows, she may leverage it into a seminar series on cooking for the newly impoverished that none of them will be able to afford!

  3. beber
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 6:03 am | Permalink

    Jed, move away from here: The wall street bankers have millions tucked away in Eurpoe. It’s us who are going to need the rat dressing skills thanks to eight years of Puke rule.

  4. beber
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 6:06 am | Permalink

    As for Palin, her only hope is to rile the fundy base until it foams at the mouth. That’s easy enough to do, as their movement has at last peaked and has now where to march except into commode of history.

  5. Maggotpunk
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 6:39 am | Permalink

    Let’s hope she stays, the Obama court needs a jester and she will provide.

  6. Heckler
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 6:39 am | Permalink

    The Obamas are a warm vision for the White House — but he should strive toward full transparency. Plus: Yes, I still like Sarah Palin!

    How dare Palin not embrace abortion as the ultimate civilized ideal of modern culture? How tacky that she speaks in a vivacious regional accent indistinguishable from that of Western Canada! How risible that she graduated from the State University of Idaho and not one of those plush, pampered commodes of received opinion whose graduates, in their rush to believe the worst about her, have demonstrated that, when it comes to sifting evidence, they don’t know their asses from their elbows.

    Liberal Democrats are going to wake up from their sadomasochistic, anti-Palin orgy with a very big hangover. The evil genie released during this sorry episode will not so easily go back into its bottle. A shocking level of irrational emotionalism and at times infantile rage was exposed at the heart of current Democratic ideology — contradicting Democratic core principles of compassion, tolerance and independent thought. One would have to look back to the Eisenhower 1950s for parallels to this grotesque lock-step parade of bourgeois provincialism, shallow groupthink and blind prejudice.

    I like Sarah Palin, and I’ve heartily enjoyed her arrival on the national stage. As a career classroom teacher, I can see how smart she is — and quite frankly, I think the people who don’t see it are the stupid ones, wrapped in the fuzzy mummy-gauze of their own worn-out partisan dogma. So she doesn’t speak the King’s English — big whoop! There is a powerful clarity of consciousness in her eyes. She uses language with the jumps, breaks and rippling momentum of a be-bop saxophonist. I stand on what I said (as a staunch pro-choice advocate) in my last two columns — that Palin as a pro-life wife, mother and ambitious professional represents the next big shift in feminism. Pro-life women will save feminism by expanding it, particularly into the more traditional Third World.

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2008/11/12/palin/index.html

  7. BlueJay
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 7:18 am | Permalink

    “Does Palin have future on national political stage?”

    Good Gawd No. She is dumber than a box of rocks and listening to her for more than 2 minutes is honestly painful. I only want to see Sarah Palin as performed by Tina Fey. I will do my part to help my side treat her every bit as badly as the cons treated the VASTLY better qualified Hillary Clinton.

  8. bth
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 7:42 am | Permalink

    Spivak is correct – politically we tend to not give second chances. Just as people like Edwards were considered ‘damaged goods’ this past year so she will be viewed in 2012. I will guess that the GOP will be looking for a new face.

  9. Mom_of_5
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 7:50 am | Permalink

    I will never get over the hypocrisy of people who find Sarah Palin “dumb” while ignoring all the stupid things said by Biden and even Obama. The blatant hatred and sexism is incredible, especially coming from the party of “diversity, tolerance, love and equality for all.” I guess that “diversity, tolerance, love and equality” just don’t include people like mothers and conservatives and Christians, does it? Just wondering, does it include Trig, or should he be safely dead in your tolerant and diverse world?

  10. BlueJay
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 7:57 am | Permalink

    I learned from the masters of mean there “mom of five”.

    Hillary Clinton has been badly treated by you and and yours for 20 years. And she is vastly more intelligent than Sarah Palin.

    Here is what to expect going forward. Palin will be treated FAR worse than Hillary Clinton ever was. The difference is, Palin does and will deserve it.

  11. Heckler
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 8:07 am | Permalink

    BeeJay

    “Here is what to expect going forward. Palin will be treated FAR worse than Hillary Clinton ever was. The difference is, Palin does and will deserve it.”

    Why, pray tell? Enlighten us, please.

  12. CF2K
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 8:08 am | Permalink

    Does Sarah! have a future? Hell yes. CF2K couldn’t be happier to have Sarah Palin as the putative Republican front-runner for 2012.

    Mean-spirited, narrow, phony, corrupt, intolerant–she’s the face of permanent minority party status for the GOP. Bring her on!

  13. BlueJay
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 8:15 am | Permalink

    I should modify.

    Palin DOES have a future in politics. Just not a successful one in any nation sane people want to live in.

  14. RFL
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 8:18 am | Permalink

    She has a future if she waits until 2016. She needs enough time for the failed vice-presidential run to ease from the minds of the electorate.

    By 2012, Barrack Obama will be a Extreme left of center politician. He’ll start out as a centrist and then veer to the left whenever he feels his power has reached critical mass.

    Any stuffed suit or skirt from the GOP ticket will win easily after 8 years of an Obama administration should he win re-election.

    A candidate with strong economic credentials will probably fare the best in 2012 against Barack who has no such credentials whatsoever. Such a fact will be revealed over the coming years.

  15. Barnie
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    Right now her only future is in a narrow scope of people who she appeals to. She needs to try to get more involved at a national level, and appeal to other people than women, faith based conservatives. Plus she needs to brush up on her knowledge of things, she’d get her but whooped on are you smarter than a fifth grader right now.

  16. Heckler
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    I don’t think people look at her the same as they have past failed vice-pres. candidates. She came in on short notice, energized her party, and lost in an election no one expected her team to win. It’s rather amazing that the loss was not a real thrashing given the economic and political circumstances.

  17. KSGolfnut
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    Sure she has a future. A very bright future.

    Her popularity is noteworthy. She is currently the hottest interview to be found. In fact, if you watched Greta Van Susteren on Monday – and then Matt Lauer last night – you’ll see the personality, the tenacity, the intellect that fostered her rise to Governor and VP candidate.

    Heck, even on this liberal-dominated blog – the Gov. Palin threads outnumber Obama about 2 to 1.

  18. CF2K
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    RFL,

    “Centrist” means “Republican” in your world, I suspect. But interestingly, the electorate doesn’t agree with the conventional drawing of the political spectrum. And they like and identify with Democrats at much higher levels than at any time in the last 18 years.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/11/poll-finds-most-americans-welcome-dem-control/

    Interesting point regarding the best GOP pick for 2012, by which I take you to mean Mitt Romney. Frankly, I think “economic credentials” mean nothing in a world where the first “MBA President” crashed the planet’s largest economy.

  19. CF2K
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    Heckler,

    “It’s rather amazing that the loss was not a real thrashing given the economic and political circumstances.”

    Yeah: more than a 2-1 margin in electoral votes, and a difference of seven million votes cast isn’t a “thrashing.”

    http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/

    Get real, Heckler: Palin WAS the reason the race wasn’t closer.

  20. BlueJay
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 8:45 am | Permalink

    “Her popularity is noteworthy.”

    Who she is popular WITH even more so.

    Palin is loved by people who are hated for their greed and stupidity.

  21. Phantom
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    She’ll have a future rallying and collecting donations from fundies for the real candidate, but that’s about it.

  22. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    “Palin is loved by people who are hated for their greed and stupidity.”

    Dont forget their bigotry and devotion to christian dominionism.

  23. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    I’d say the WE must REALLY be missing Randy and Richard right about now.

    I know we are, given the quality and limited quantity of threads these days.

    Even I’m bored with all these palin threads. Nothing has changed. She’s a loser who’s easy to mock. And she’d be funny if her whole beingness wasnt a sad commentary on this nation.

    If she’s the “best and brightest” one half of the political system has to offer, we’re in deep doodoo…

  24. DavosRancheros
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    Just my opinion, but I think it would be in the best interest of the Conservatives to move on and away from her.

  25. mom
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    No doubt the Radical Right of the GOP will keep Sarah Palin in high demand for her ‘intellectual’ interviews. After all, this is the group that keeps Rush Limbaugh in his millions , isn’t it?

    If the Radical Right keeps up their hatred mantra for Obama and anything Democrat, then I’m sure this will have an impact on the next election.

    And what will happen if Obama succeeds? No one has ever brought up that scenario yet. Just suppose President Obama succeeds in spite of the Radical Right’s constant harassment for the next 4 years? Bill Clinton had a successful 8 years and drove the Radical Righties nuts.

    Obviously there are no sexual scandals in Obama’s past – because we would have heard about it during the campaign. The only thing the Radical Right could come up with was a somewhat loose connection to William Ayers (as other prominent Republicans also had a loose connection to Ayers by being on the same committee with him). They tried to paint him as a Muslim and that didn’t work. They tried to paint him as a socialist but that didn’t stick because our government is already partially socialistic and even the Radical Righties don’t want to give up their government welfare checks (entitlements).

    Another factor in all this is the power of the young people who voted for Obama. Exactly what influence will the Radical Right have on the younger people? Are these Radical Righties even concerned about young people or will they continue to treat them as the group that does not show up at the polls to vote?

    This election was not like any other election and it has broken the mold as to what to expect next time around.

  26. gster
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    Palin’s elevation to a national office, if that is even remotely possible, would make her the nation embarrassment that Bush has been for 8 years. We really need that!

  27. Predestined
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    She stepped up to the plate and hit the ball as far as she could this time around…

    I’ve seen bunts that went farther.

  28. gster
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    She shouldn’t have used a nerf bat!

  29. Predestined
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 9:20 am | Permalink

    Just wondering, does it include Trig, or should he be safely dead in your tolerant and diverse world?

    Leave it to one of their own to drag the kids into this.

  30. okobserver
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 7:18 am | Permalink
    “Does Palin have future on national political stage?”

    Good Gawd No. She is dumber than a box of rocks and listening to her for more than 2 minutes is honestly painful. I only want to see Sarah Palin as performed by Tina Fey. I will do my part to help my side treat her every bit as badly as the cons treated the VASTLY better qualified Hillary Clinton.”

    BJ says:

    —————–
    ” As a career classroom teacher, I can see how smart she is — and quite frankly, I think the people who don’t see it are the stupid ones, wrapped in the fuzzy mummy-gauze of their own worn-out partisan dogma.”

    Phillip’s columnist today says.
    —————–
    Thanks BJ for proving the columists point and proving what I have said about you. Pull that fuzzy mummy-gauze closer and wallow for the next 4 years. How entertaining.

    Ledgend in his own mind!

  31. lindainks55
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    bush was the greatest ambassador the Democratic Party could have had! Maybe Palin can now fill that slot?

    If the 64% of Republicans who support Palin think a smaller number of them than voted for McCain will be able to elect anyone, we should be very quiet and not question that kind of thinking.

    Moving farther RIGHT seems to me to be the RIGHT decision for upcoming elections. ;-)

  32. Patriotcom
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    Two things: 1) Still waiting on her medical records which will probably show the last kid is actually that of her daughter’s.
    2)Any religious nutjob who feels her own daughter should be forced to have a child after being raped will never have a future with the independents and moderates.
    So, outside of their idiotic base…no, she has no national future.

  33. BlueJay
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    “Ledgend in his own mind!”

    Legend too.

    heh.

  34. Posted November 12, 2008 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    “Frankly, I think “economic credentials” mean nothing in a world where the first “MBA President” crashed the planet’s largest economy.”

    Not to mention all the wizards on Wall Street who Alan Greenspan believed so stronly in.

  35. okobserver
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    BJ I am just amazed at you I guess. You just seem to have it all. Shouldn’t you be working today? Who is supporting your kid today. Who supported him yesterday?

    You are so smart. At least Palin has a job. And you have……

  36. okobserver
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    Patriotcom
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 10:06 am | Permalink
    Two things: 1) Still waiting on her medical records which will probably show the last kid is actually that of her daughter’s.
    —————-
    Actually they probably didn’t put it in the National Enquirer and you would have missed it but she did submit a one page summary of her good health just as Obama did. I saw it on FOX news.

    I did see in the GLOBE at the supermarket the other day that the 4 month old son was indeed Bristols’ and that she is now 5 months pregnant as a result of ‘incest’.

  37. okobserver
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    I am always embrassed for the left and what they see as entertainment and enlightenment. They don’t have enough of what it takes to feel embarrassed for themselves.

  38. BlueJay
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    Palin has a job with the government.

    YOU okie, you poor speller you, exploit prison labor to make your money.

    I don’t like the phrase “under the weather” as EVERYBODY is under the weather except for astronauts. Today, I am giving myself the morning off.

    “And you have…”

    You? I feel badly not having gotten you anything.

  39. mom
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    okobserver
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 10:44 am | Permalink
    I am always embrassed for the left and what they see as entertainment and enlightenment. They don’t have enough of what it takes to feel embarrassed for themselves

    As for entertainment, let’s not forget Rush Limbaugh has been the the Radical Right’s entertainment for many years. Let’s see, Rush has had mulitple wives, an admitted drug addiction problem, hatred running rampant through his mouth. Sounds to me like birds of a feather flock together?

  40. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    ..and dont forget how entertaining they find coulter…

  41. Heckler
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    While I often call Greta Van Susteren, Greta so Insufferable, I’ve got to give her credit for how she handled her interview the Alaska Governor, conducting the better part of it in that great woman’s kitchen, really humanizing the Republican. Had more people seen Palin in this light, the Democrats and their allies in the MSM would have found it more difficult to bring her down.

    I had no doubt watching Palin that she has a future on the national stage. She stands a better chance than any political figure in America today of becoming our first woman president. Once she masters the details of national policy, she’s going to cause anyone whoever doubted her to reconsider the hasty judgment they made about her qualifications.

    She may not now know the details, but she has shown the capacity for judgment, a quality more important to leadership than an encyclopedic knowledge of the federal government.

    http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/11/12/the-class-of-john-mccain/

  42. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    And grmie, Trig Palin was born on April 18, I think. That makes him a little more than four months old.

    Big eye roll.

    I guess time does stand still when you get old.

  43. Posted November 12, 2008 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    Oh no! Another anti-Palin thread! Damned liberal Eagle!

    If it even mentions her name, it’s anti-Palin. Can’t be helped.

  44. lindainks55
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    I am a big Palin supporter! Nothing “anti” about my hopes for her future. Palin 2012!

    Far as I’ve seen she energizes two distinct “bases.” Just like bush did. One base has the numbers, one doesn’t.

  45. Posted November 12, 2008 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    Even I’m bored with all these palin threads. Nothing has changed. She’s a loser who’s easy to mock. And she’d be funny if her whole beingness wasnt a sad commentary on this nation.

    That about sums it up, KFG. But those you who see her as the future of the Republican Party, please do pursue that path! :)

  46. BlueJay
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    “She stands a better chance than any political figure in America today of becoming our first woman president. ”

    Sarah Palin?

    Well, me and Senator Hillary Clinton and about 55 million people feel otherwise.

  47. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    Oh yeah, I think those who place the future of the republican party in her hands should be encouraged.

    Yeah. You betchya!

  48. Posted November 12, 2008 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Sorry, Linda. I forgot for a moment I was posting in Kansas! ;-)

    YES! PALIN IN 2012! Sic a Pit Bull on that. . .uhm. .. sorry.

    We’ll have to work on some slogans. . . .

  49. RFL
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    “Frankly, I think “economic credentials” mean nothing in a world where the first “MBA President” crashed the planet’s largest economy.”

    It’s certaintly no problem that a pair of lawyers can’t handle, right? Isn’t that why there were hundreds of thousands of congregants in Grant park drooling all over themselves during the praise and worship service on November 4th?

  50. gster
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    Palin/Bullwinkle for 2012??

  51. XXX
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    Oh please, please, please Republicans, run Palin for president in 2012. And again in 2016. She’s the greatest thing since sliced bread! With Sarah as your leader, there’s no doubt she’ll lead you back to power and those good old glory days.

    If Sarah runs, we’ll all vote for her, right gang?

    (ACK! Choke! Gag!)

  52. Posted November 12, 2008 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    If Sarah runs, we’ll all vote for her, right gang?

    Of course!

  53. lindainks55
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    Suuurrrre, XXX!

    I can’t remember a candidate for national office who has energized me more than Palin!

    If we look at the many many Palin threads, I’m not alone — bunches of us got excited!

  54. mom
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Heckler – just putting Palin in her own kitchen makes her human? What about the statements she has made and her positions she has taken? That spoke volumes more than merely her being in a kitchen.

    McCain’s campaign went ultra-negative and nasty when Palin got on board. That is when the hate-filled speeches started. That is when the crowd of supporters started yelling and screaming for blood. That is when McCain lost the respect (what little was left to lose) of the independents in both parties. There were many prominent Republicans that were disturbed by the tone of the McCain campaign in the last month.

    But if you still want to believe that Sarah Palin is best when she is being humanized by being interviewed in the kitchen – then that is your choice.

    The only problem with that theory is – rarely does a President only do governing from their ‘kitchen’.

  55. mom
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    Linda – I bet Palin can bake those cookies that the same Radical Righties complained that Hillary couldn’t or wouldn’t bake. You betcha!

  56. Posted November 12, 2008 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    “Heckler” thinks we need to see more of the Moose-Dresser in the kitchen.

    You’re so right, “Heckler!”

    That’s why I ended up voting for Barack Obama. I was wavering for a long time, but then I saw that piece on CBS with Barack making tuna salad sandwiches for Malia and Sasha and we won my vote!

    But not without some serious misgivings and considerations along the way. First off, Obama mixed in mayonnaise and I’ve pretty much considered myself to be a lifelong Miracle Whip kinda guy. I even deluded myself along the way to think Miracle Whip was mayonnaise (silly me).

    But then he went all elitist on me. He added Grey Poupon mustard to the mix! Now I’m an American and all that, but yellow French’s mustard (for all its popularity) is just a little bit too unpatriotic for me. I like the 140-year-old recipe Charles Gulden created right here in the US of A, not that “French”-stuff (which is absolutely French, being yellow an’ all).

    But Grey Poupon?! It’s “Dijon” mustard and Dijon is a town in France! And it’s got wine in it! Barack Obama was trying to spike his kids’ tuna sandwiches with booze! But that’s not even as bad as knowing Grey Poupon is the mustard Fat Cats in the back of Rolls Royces pass around at street corners like low-life crack dealers.

    I was concerned, “Heckler.” How I longed for a simple and bland halibut-and-mushroom hot dish from Sarah Palin’s kitchen. After all, what could be more important to the future of democracy and the free world than what happens in the candidates’ kitchens?

    But then he added the chopped gherkins. And I liked that. I’ve had just too many years of Republic Party anti-intellectualism, thank you. I mean, you know George WMD Bush would simply call ‘em “pickles.” But Obama showed the intellect and sophistication to discern the subtle differences between ordinary cucumbers and gherkins. That’s the kind of sophisticated understanding of nuance this nation has been lacking during the Republic Party’s domination of American and world politics.

    You are so right, “Heckler.” If we had seem more kitchen time with our candidates the election might have gone an entirely different way. What subversive secrets might be included in Joe Biden’s crab cake mixture? John McCain says his dry rub for barbecued ribs is “a secret!” Just what is he hiding?! Does Cindy mix in old batches of ground-up Vicodin just to get guests hooked on her husband’s baby-backs? A little more time in the kitchen, “Heckler,” might have put all those important issues in proper perspective.

    Nitwit.

  57. CF2K
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    RFL,

    Do you have any thought other than what Rush Limbaugh has dictated to you? Just asking.

    Heckler,

    “She may not now know the details, but she has shown the capacity for judgment, a quality more important to leadership than an encyclopedic knowledge of the federal government.”

    Yeah. Great judgment in massively overspending on clothing (the McCain folks called her and her family the “Wasilla Hillbillies,” I hear) and inflaming racist hated that produced a spike in threats on Barack Obama’s life. As well as great judgment in trying to stay in the spotlight even after helping to crash John McCain’s Presidential bid.

    Still, make no mistake: CF2K is ALL ABOUT the candidacy of Sarah Palin in 2012. She is, indeed, the gift that keeps on giving.

  58. beber
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    CF2K

    Why would you believe anything McCain staffers say about anything. They may be trashing Palin because they are done with her. Why would they, or any campaign staffer, treat her any differently than anyone else. To them the truth doesn’t matter, just the outcome, although this time, I think the truth mattered at least a little.

  59. cosmos_originally
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    ‘Behind The Scenes: Newsweek On McCain In The Dark, Obama Threats, And More’
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/obama-we-cant-solve-globa_n_141358.html
    “– The Obama campaign was provided with reports from the Secret Service showing a sharp and very disturbing increase in threats to Obama in September and early October, at the same time that the crowds at Palin rallies became more frenzied. Michelle Obama was shaken by the vituperative crowds and the hot rhetoric from the GOP candidates.
    Why would they try to make people hate us?” Michelle Obama said to a top campaign aide.”

  60. RFL
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    It seems between CF2K and RFL, CF2K is the only one who is listening to Rush.

    He obviously incessantly listens to Rush and then whenever he hears something remotely similiar, he tries to insult someone else for listening to Rush.

    Keep up that radio dialed tuned in to AM radio there CF2K!

  61. dtimmons
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    This from an independent minded voter. If the Republicans can’t find somebody better than Palin in 2012, they won’t stand a chance! Romney, Huckabee, Ron Paul, are all better choices than Palin! It has nothing to do with her being a woman, it has to do with the fact that she cannot communicate intelligently. With the sharp focus of the media, America will never elect a below average communicator. Superior communication skills are a prerequisite for the nations highest office and Palin falls way short!

  62. CF2K
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    beber,

    You’re right that the former McCain staffers shouldn’t be taken at their word when they report on Sarah Palin’s alleged deeds / misdeeds. But are you trying to go from that, beber, to saying no one should believe the McCain staffers when they report how, among themselves, they referred to the Palin family?

    I don’t know what your agenda is here, beber, but frankly, you’ve got a bug up your ass to attack me for saying what the McCain staffers said that THEY, THEMSELVES, said, among themselves, about the Palins.

    RFL,

    Please forgive me: as one who never listens to Rush Limbaugh, ever, I assumed that your tone of smug ridicule came from aping him, when, in fact, you were apparently aping someone else.

  63. Phantom
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    Please alert the blog when Sarah creates her presidential pac, so we can all donate.

  64. Phantom
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    The latest Palin snicker is Sarah has graciously offered to advise/assist the Obama admin. on areas of her alleged expertise, energy and special needs children. Something tells me she’ll receive a gracious refusal!
    The fact that she’s willing to work with someone she’s labelled a terrorist friend might unsettle some of her less devoted followers.

  65. okobserver
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    ksfarmgrrl
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 11:11 am | Permalink
    And grmie, Trig Palin was born on April 18, I think. That makes him a little more than four months old.

    Big eye roll.

    I guess time does stand still when you get old.
    ————————-
    Catch those eyes farmie and take a look at something besides a gossip site. Maybe it is you that is getting old.

    Trig was indeed born in April. That would have made him 4 months old when the convention was held. Bristol was 5 months pregnant at that time. I know you have no children but if you have been around farm animals this just ain’t physically possible.

    And you and pmom need to get your stories together. She was raking Palin over the coals a few days ago because she flew from Texas to Alaska while in labor.

    The left really needs to watch a some real news and read fewer Globes and National Enquirers.

    Will the left ever get tired of flogging Palin. Maybe we could get her into Gitmo. I haven’t seen this much dirt on the terrorists being held there.

  66. Posted November 12, 2008 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    I haven’t seen this much dirt on the terrorists being held there.

    Actually, when McClatchy newspapers finally got some reporters enough access to research them, they had a hard time finding terrorists. . .

  67. Posted November 12, 2008 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    Phantom
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 2:35 pm | Permalink
    The latest Palin snicker is Sarah has graciously offered to advise/assist the Obama admin. on areas of her alleged expertise, energy and special needs children”

    While I would not be likely to look to her as an expert in energy I do think she might have useful perspective on special needs children. So, why not take her up on her offer?

  68. ANTI
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Actually, when McClatchy newspapers finally got some reporters enough access to research them, they had a hard time finding terrorists.
    ===================

    You have to step outside the lobby to find the terrorist.

  69. Phantom
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    She could be useful as a rep. or spokesperson for special needs children, but I thought the funny part was about her self proclaimed energy expert status.
    I don’t think she’ll get any traction in that area. And, I suspect there are many others more qualified in the area of special needs children, as she’s only had her own for months, her contribution would be in her celebrity status with the rw.

  70. ANTI
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Foxy lady! dunt dunt dah You know your a cute little heart-breaker!, dunt dunt dah……

  71. ANTI
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    heh, you ARE a

  72. Posted November 12, 2008 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    phantom – that can be a good thing – raise awareness.

  73. Mr_Kia
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    I wouldn’t consider her an expert in new energy resources (wind, clean coal) but as the Governor of the State with the largest untapped resources in our country (oil and natural gas) I think her contribution would be invaluable.

  74. Pedant
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    Mom_of_5
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 7:50 am | Permalink
    I will never get over the hypocrisy of people who find Sarah Palin “dumb” while ignoring all the stupid things said by Biden and even Obama.

    Palin is ignorant, that’s a glaring – and I mean glaring – shortcoming she has now. What most people mean is that if you can’t see how ignorant Palin is, then you are dumb.

    It’s obvious that she’s never read a book in her life. How in the world could that woman speak the way she does if she were even a casual reader? To be more apt, how can she lead if she has no historical context upon which to call on, some idea of common law, the Enlightenment, and the conversation America had with Europe 232 years ago?

    She can’t.

    That’s Palin’s biggest drawback. I’m not talking about a drawback to the GOP, or to Sarah, or to any one person. I mean that Palin is a drawback to the USA.

  75. Pedant
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

    For example, here’s a snippet of a conversation Palin had today, 12-Nov-2008, with Wolf Blitzer on CNN:

    “BLITZER: Another question. What are your new ideas on how to take the Republican Party out of this rut that it’s in right now? Give me one or two new ideas that you’re going to propose to these governors who have gathered here in this hotel.

    PALIN: Well, a lot of Republican governors have really good ideas for our nation because we’re the ones there on the front lines being held accountable every single day in service to the people whom have hired us in our own states and the planks in our platform are strong and they are good for America. It’s all about free enterprise and respecting the …

    BLITZER: Does that mean you want to come up with a new Sarah Palin initiative that you want to release right now.

    PALIN: Gah! Nothing specific right now. Sitting here in these chairs that I’m going to be proposing but in working with these governors who again on the front lines are forced to and it’s our privileged obligation to find solutions to the challenges facing our own states every day being held accountable, not being just one of many just casting votes or voting present every once in a while, we don’t get away with that. We have to balance budgets and we’re dealing with multibillion dollar budgets and tens of thousands of employees in our organizations.

    wtf?

    Again, from T O D A Y.

    Any idea what she meant?!?

  76. Posted November 12, 2008 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Translation: “I got nothing for you, Wolf, but I’m a governor and that’s more important than being a Senator.”

  77. cosmos_originally
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    Mr_Kia posted November 12, 2008 at 4:55 pm
    I wouldn’t consider her an expert in new energy resources (wind, clean coal) but as the Governor of the State with the largest untapped resources in our country (oil and natural gas) I think her contribution would be invaluable.
    —————-

    What’s her expertise? Being involved in a flawed bidding process re a very expensive nat gas pipeline that may not even be built?
    Adding a windfall profit tax to Alaskan oil, so Alaska got more money when prices were higher?

    The future of “energy” is higher energy efficiency.

  78. Barnie
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    Heckler, you just proved my point.

    You said, “So she doesn’t speak the King’s English — big whoop! There is a powerful clarity of consciousness in her eyes. She uses language with the jumps, breaks and rippling momentum of a be-bop saxophonist.”

    See, your deluded like everybody else who has a crush on her. By all outward appearances, yes she is a fairly intelligent, well spoken, level headed, and a very attractive woman. But those alone are not all of what’s needed to run this country. Lets start by focusing on the politicians who know that Africa is a Continent and not a country. She might have well told people and Obama, that he was born in the city of Kenya in the country of Africa, on the Middle East Continent. Most Third graders have a greater knowledge of world Geography than that. Your no different than the people in love with Obama by his outward appearances and his good theatrical public speaking.

  79. BlueJay
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    If Palin is a candidate in 2012?

    I will register as a Republican and vote for her in the Kansas caucus. I guar on teee.

  80. okobserver
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    Barnie you of course being a well informed person know that she didn’t make the Africa remark. Those in the room with her said it never happened. This was from an aide to McCain displaying male jealousy. Go figure.

    By the way Pedant I’m not defending anything that Palin said or didn’t say but to be honest if you do a transcript of what Obama actually says in an interview the ‘ahs’ and ‘ums’ and ‘hold up’ ‘hear this’ ‘I know what you want to ask’ will override his message. And I am not being critical. I want this man to be the most successful prez ever. I have a country in flux that is need of a good leader.

    I do always wonder how he knows what the interviewer wants to ask and they obviously don’t. I love when he says ‘and if I don’t answer your question then you can ask me another one’.

    But you guys that keep ragging on Palin are just toughening her up. Keep up the good work.

  81. okobserver
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    Bluejay I’ll see you there. Not sure who I will caucus for yet but we’ll be in the same crowd.

  82. cosmos_originally
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    Check out Palin’s rambling non-answer to Blitzer’s twice-asked question re the fed bailout of Detroit.

    ‘Transcript of Palin’s Interview With CNN’s Wolf Blitzer’
    http://thepage.time.com/transcript-of-palins-interview-with-cnns-wolf-blitzer

    Some of her answer’s are like a student trying to fake an answer to an assignment s/he failed to do — with some beauty queen mannerisms added.

  83. Posted November 12, 2008 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    Hey, cosmos! 2008 is done.

    For my part, I think Sarah Palin is a smart, shrewd, dynamic, eloquent poitician, and I am absolutely terrified that she might win the Republican nomination in 2012!

    Oh, please, Republicans: Don’t nomininate Sarah! Give poor Barack a chance! Show some mercy!

    PULLLLEASE! :)

  84. Pedant
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    okobserver
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 7:24 pm | Permalink
    But you guys that keep ragging on Palin are just toughening her up. Keep up the good work.

    lol

    And here’s an idea for you guys: try getting her to pull her head out long enough to realize that she’s a Bambi target right now. She should be keeping a low profile and working hard at not being judged a fool in 4 years instead of keeping a high profile and removing all doubt now.

    I think that Palin will get LOTS of practice at “toughening up” over the next 4 years or so, if the past is prologue anyway.

  85. lindainks55
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    Rage, that’s the ticket! You betcha!

  86. BlueJay
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    “She should be keeping a low profile ”

    You said it Pedant.

    She is so unblinkingly stupid!

    She mostly hides from the media leading up to the election and now she does an “exclusive” interview a day? The public has a short memory of her disasters (Gibson and Couric interviews, getting pwned by those disc jockeys) but they have to have SOME time to forget. TOO, at this rate, the news hounds are going to get bored with her.

  87. okobserver
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

    Pedant I agree she will a whole lot tougher and much smarter oh she will go back to being a happy hockey mom.

  88. okobserver
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    Ive got an idea. If the Eagle keeps throwing in these Palin threads let surprise them and nobody post to it. Maybe they will take the hint.

  89. mom
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    As for Palin being an expert on special needs children, granted she has a special needs child and she is a parent of a 4-month old. But the Palins has the financial needs to take care of that 4-month old.

    For real expertise, why not talk to the parents of special needs children who do not have the luxury of a high-paying job, access to healthcare and the who have to juggle working their jobs with getting day care for that special needs child.

    Why not ask people in the real world about what it is really like to raise a special needs child.

  90. lindainks55
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    mom, way too much reality for Republicans!

    GO PALIN 2012!

  91. mom
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    Palin go back to being a happy hockey mom? Let’s get real here. Palin has had the taste of the high life where she got to see to it that Todd got silk boxers for free and she got designer clothes, and where the McCaim campaign staffers are still trying to figure out what happened to the clothes.

    Palin is only as good as her supporters think she is and their judgment leaves alot of unanswered questions.

  92. mom
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, you’re right Linda. I thought of that immediately after posting. Republicans like their fantasy world and woe be to the person that interferes with their version of the ‘truth’.

  93. lindainks55
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    I will give her gumption! Many would have wanted badly to disappear into the woodwork after what she’s been through. She didn’t! In fact, she has been everywhere this week. Give her a couple of years and she may well be a different candidate.
    ————-

    On Wednesday night, she was talking to CNN’s “Larry King Live,” where she was pressed on whether she had cost McCain the election.

    “I personally don’t think that I, Sarah Palin from Alaska, the VP pick, I don’t believe that I caused the outcome to be what it was,” she said. “I think the economy tanking a couple of months ago had a lot more to do with it than the VP pick.”

    This was just hours after CNN had her talking to anchor Wolf Blitzer, who wanted to know whether she might run for Alaska Republican Sen. Ted Stevens’ seat should Stevens have to step down because of a conviction for corruption.

    Maybe, she said, while noting that she wants to serve the people of Alaska the best way she can and “at this point it is as governor.”

    “Now if something shifted dramatically and if it were, if it were acknowledged up there that I could be put to better use for my state in the U.S. Senate, I would certainly consider that but that would take a special election and everything else,” she said.

    “I am not one to appoint myself or a member of my family to take the place of any vacancy.”

    WHAT NEXT?

    What about Palin running for president in 2012, Fox News Channel’s Greta Van Susteren wanted to know the other day.

    Palin did not rule it out.

    “If there is an open door in (20)12 or four years later, and if it is something that is going to be good for my family, for my state, for my nation, an opportunity for me, then I’ll plow through that door,” she said.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE4AC09P20081113?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=10112

  94. okobserver
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    Mom: False poor Todd never got the silk boxers. Sarah never got to pick out designer clothes. All clothes were bought for her by the RNC and brought to her.

    You would know this if the watch the real news on FOX. It has since came out on other venues but as usual they had it first on Greta. Jealous sniping by those aids of McCains.

    Sad to say they were started by those in her own party. What a sorry bunch they were. Sorry you hadn’t heard this yet. But you can mark those claims off the true list. I imagine many more rumors will come out because she seem to be a target of small minded people.

    As for that special needs child I am sure she does have it easier that many without the resources she has. The picture I have in my mind though is how natural they are were in holding Trip right down to the youngest Piper. When she spit on her finger and smoothed his hair down it was precious.

    Thank goodness this election is over and we ahve 4 years before the next big one. I want to give Obama a chance to make history again by pulling the economy out.