One question hanging over the election, and seeming more pressing with every economic report, is what would possess anyone to want to be president this year. George W. Bush took over when the economy was hale, the budget had a surplus, and the nation was at peace. Now, as NBC’s Tom Brokaw put it this week, a “line that’s been going around is that the candidate who wins is going to wake up and demand a recount.”
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He’s got the media, the House and Senate. If he botches any of the “to-do list”, we’ll never know it.
Good for him, congratulations. But the only surprise for me was that it wasn’t Hillary. I knew that the Republicans were toast, but I thought for sure that it would have been Hillary.
I’m just watching and waiting for the other shoe to drop. And it will.
I dressed all in black today. I am truly in mourning and I would have done the same with McCain.
Good Luck.
I can hardly wait for the war with Russia. It’ll be awesome. I’m sure that’s on his list.
Well, you know Pleefer, the only reason he wanted the job is because he’s a Muslim who consorts with terrorists who is bent on turning our country to a socialist state and expanding the number of people on welfare. There, now do you feel better?
As for me…HAPPY DANCE!!!
Pleefer,
Good luck with your mourning and pouting.
AMERICA! YES, we can!
Attitudes do make a difference! The work begins and we will help our President Obama.
(We can do it in spite of the pouters and those who would drag our country down with them.)
Pouting?
I could care less that he won or lost. I’m just watching from the sidelines here.
Don’t throw me into your left/right fake fight mix.
I give a shi..t less.
I hope that he brings the change as the landslide shows, America hopes he brings change.
I just hope it’s the change you were promised.
I could care less about dems or reps. I’ll just watch and laugh.
And Mary, fu..ck yourself. don’t throw me into the rascist mix.
I give a fu…ck less that he hangs with Ayers.
Apparently you’ve not listened to anything I’ve ever said on here.
I was secretly hoping Obama would come out with Ayers and Wright, hold their arms up in victory and say “Meet my chief of staff and secretary of state!”
There is little joy in Mudville today “cause mighty McCain” has struck out!
Pleefer: Class act you got going there, is nihilism next? The US is perhaps the most despised place on earth ala Germany of the 1930’s, our “friends” think we are the more dangerous than Korea, Iran, Iraq, Palestine, Afganistan etc., but last night gives us the opportunity to reset the moral compass. When I look at the reactionary streak right up the American geographical backbone anchored by southern traditions of intolerance I know I still have cause to pray.
I am optimistic. But I’m a realist.
90% of Americans didn’t want a bail out, Obama voted for it anyway.
Pelosi said that ompeachment was “off the table”.
They are birds of a feather, the dems and reps.
You people are just blind, but you have good intentions and good hearts.
I’m positive that there will be no change you expect.
I despise Bush like anyone with a heart does. But Obama and MCCain are still the same machine. Sorry.
We shall see how happy people are after he spreads the wealth around like Cuba.
I hope and pray that he turns out to be better than expected and that we do not see an attack on our country again.
We will have an attack and folks like Nathaniel and Hank will have Obama portraits on their walls after an Obama retaliation. It’ll be beautiful, a quaint little flag-waving coming together.
“We shall see how happy people are after he spreads the wealth around like Cuba.”
You mean using money for universal health care rather than bonuses for corrupt CEOs who bankrupted their institutions and needed to be bailed out by the taxpayer? Or do you mean spread the wealth like Cuba where they invest in energy efficiency rather than sending American wealth to China to hire cheap prison labor?
Will Obama repeal any of these warrantless spying and USA Patriot Act type stuff. Will he defend the Constitution or carry on fear tactics?
I hope so, cause MCCain would not have.
“sunflower5″ entertains us with –
“We shall see how happy people are after he spreads the wealth around like Cuba.”
Like Cuba, huh?
You’re silly.
Why do you hate black beans and rice?
The US is perhaps the most despised place on earth ala Germany of the 1930’s, our “friends” think we are the more dangerous than Korea, Iran, Iraq, Palestine, Afganistan etc.,
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA
Sometimes there is nothing to say except – Dude, you’re an idiot.
For all our faults, the world is a far better place because of the US. And that is still so. We are not without mistakes. But we are still the last best hope. It is not for nothing that millions, all over the world, even as they say they hate the US, would give everything to come here.
“even as they say they hate the US, would give everything to come here.”
Someone neglected to tell the Mexicans that Mexico really isn’t the USA. Maybe that was Bush’s plan all along–scrog the country so bad all the illegals would run, not walk, back home.
Good point GMC, Iraq is a great vacation resort, North Korea is a thriving, bountiful Democratic state, Iran is completely secular and there isn’t a trace of poverty in Palestine. Keep on smoking the wacky tabbacky. Was Sarah Palin your classmate in history class?
maggot (again, how appropriate the name):
Dude – you’re an idiot. But that’s not a surprise at all
Try to get a little perspective.
I say congratulations to President Obama. I will do my part in helping him succeed. Afterall this is the greatest country on earth even with all of our warts. The time had come for a minority prez and Obama fits the bill. Yes I sure hope we can!
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GMC70
Posted November 5, 2008 at 8:46 am | Permalink
maggot (again, how appropriate the name):
Dude – you’re an idiot. But that’s not a surprise at all
Try to get a little perspective.
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When you’re on the losing side, I guess name-calling is all you have left.
Well try reading some news media from other countries to get ‘perspective’. You will see we have fallen way down the popularity list for awhile now.
Well said Okobserver. Lets build now!
“One question hanging over the election, and seeming more pressing with every economic report, is what would possess anyone to want to be president this year.”
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On the contrary, Obama has perfect situation to come into. To use a sports analogy, it is a tough task to replace a head coach at a college program that has just had a long successful run. If you manage to keep it going, you get no credit. If you don’t, you are toast. But if you replace a coach at a powerful program that is down, and turn it around, you are a hero. And if you don’t, you have an excuse.
No excuses.
Dems. are going to have a busy first 100 days, scrapping republican bills of the last 30 yrs.
Get ready for the New Economic Order.
Good point Outlander. When you start at the bottom, there is no direction but up, unless like the republicans, you’re equipped with shovels.
And then there’s Phantom, who is waiting for the electric car he expects that Obama is going to give him. Oh, and the rainbow farting unicorn. (Props to Heckler)
GMC whines:
“Dude – you’re an idiot. But that’s not a surprise at all
Try to get a little perspective.”
I did, they are called history books, not to mention looking at the current events section of any periodical. I’m wondering how you can think America goes in and overthrows the democratic government of the Philippines, then commences slaughtering hundreds of thousands of civilians in order to covert Catholics to Protestantism, and “bring them democracy” somehow improved their situation? How did killing 600,000 leftists in Indonesia help anyone other than the dictator of Indonesia? How did supporting the overthrow of the democratic government of Chile and putting Pinochet in place whereupon thousands of people were slaughtered made the place better? How did America’s support of a dictator in Cuba help their situation out? How did the backing of the Taliban in Afghanistan help America out? How did supporting a brutal dictator in Somalia help the people? How did America’s support of Saddam Hussein help the Iraqis out? How did America’s backing of an unelected dictator in Vietnam help the people out? How did America’s backing of a fascist Chiang Kai-shek in China help the people? And so on and so on. Face it GMC, you just don’t have a clue about American geopolitical history. I’m guessing you are in the lot that it takes the slaughter of a few million people to make the place better for the rest of us. A lot of history’s most brutal dictators think the same way.
Phantom
Posted November 5, 2008 at 9:08 am | Permalink
Dems. are going to have a busy first 100 days, scrapping republican bills of the last 30 yrs.
Get ready for the New Economic Order.”
So please describe that NEW ECONOMIC ORDER, in detail or at least in substance.
The good guy won!! Whupped the Clinton machine and the slime thrown at him by the Rove/Cheney machine. And they say he doesn’t have any experience. He has experience in kickin’ behind, and that is a good thing to have in a president.
Dennis
No use bickering now, we need to try and work together. The Election is over, now begin the hard part.
littlejohn
Posted November 5, 2008 at 9:15 am | Permalink
So please describe that NEW ECONOMIC ORDER, in detail or at least in substance.
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From each according to his ability, to each according to his need, mein Fuhrer!
I’ve got more than a clue, maggot. It’s called perspective; unlike you, I’m not ashamed of my country.
I didn’t say we were perfect; far from it. We’ve done some horrible things, and many of them are indefensible. Even with all that, we’re the best the world has going, and the world is a far better place for the United States being here.
It’s just that simple.
And XXX, sometimes, when something that astronomically stupid is said, it’s enough to just shake one’s head and tell the truth. He’s an idiot.
No GMC, it’s called an education, try getting one some day. You just pull stuff out of your arse and just believe it. Open up a history book. I know you’re probably a conservative so you are allergic to knowledge but you might actually gain some perspective. Or are you conservatives still on this entire anti-intellectual thing. Probably so, you just hate people more educated.
ROFLMAO
Dude . . . . . .
See what I mean, XXX?
Probably so, you just hate people more educated.
AFAIK, GMC is an attorney. I am betting he went to school just a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitle bit longer than you did.
Whiffed on that one scooter.
BTW, maggot, if “education” is the standard, anytime you wanna compare degrees, just let me know . . .
GMC, you have already proven how ignorant you are. A lot of inmates get law degrees. You are ignorant and uneducated.
OMG, a law degree is simply a two year program. So right out of high school someone can become an attorney with a degree by age 19. How am I to be impressed by this?
There’s 75 days left of the “Bush Legacy”, let’s hope W doesn’t add more to Obama’s to do list.
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okobserver
Posted November 5, 2008 at 8:55 am | Permalink
I say congratulations to President Obama. I will do my part in helping him succeed. Afterall this is the greatest country on earth even with all of our warts. The time had come for a minority prez and Obama fits the bill. Yes I sure hope we can!
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Ah ha! okobserver, for what it’s worth, you get a gold star in my book for putting country above party. You give us all a lesson in how to be gracious.
OMG, a law degree is simply a two year program. So right out of high school someone can become an attorney with a degree by age 19. How am I to be impressed by this?
Dude . . . . . !!!
VT, wanna give maggot here a clue?
Tell ya what maggot, I’ll give you an opportunity to correct your error. It’s not your fault, I suppose; you simply haven’t had a proper education.
hehehehehe
Ironic, isn’t it?
It’s nothing but jingoism to parrot “the greatest nation in the world” pablum without realizing the United States of America hasn’t lived up to its promise for a long time.
We’re no longer the healthiest people. Our kids suck at math and science. We burn fossil fuels far beyond our population and scoff at those who would promote conservation and alternative energy technologies.
We’ve become arrogant with foreign entanglements and follow the CON version of the Golden Rule, “He with the gold rules.”
Bridges collapse, highways crumble, water and sewer and transportation systems deteriorate due to neglect and the outgoing party in power obsesses on preventing two people from getting married.
None of these issues supports “GMC70’s” mindless flag-waving.
Part of the “rainbow farting unicorn” philosophy a particularly cynical CON in this forum chortles about is a realization we can be a better people than we’ve been lately. And still be American.
In fact, that’s probably what will happen if we’re going to remain American.
Maggotpunk
Posted November 5, 2008 at 9:49 am | Permalink
OMG, a law degree is simply a two year program. So right out of high school someone can become an attorney with a degree by age 19. How am I to be impressed by this?
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Because it’s two more years than you have?
There is more to being educated than reading books that match your personal agenda and regurgitating it for public consumption.
Maggotpunk
Posted November 5, 2008 at 9:49 am | Permalink
OMG, a law degree is simply a two year program. So right out of high school someone can become an attorney with a degree by age 19. How am I to be impressed by this?
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I knew Obama was an idiot, thanks Maggot.
MagPunk,
The gauntlet has been raised.
BTW, maggot, if “education” is the standard, anytime you wanna compare degrees, just let me know . . .
“So do you feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?”
-Dirty Harry
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GMC70
Posted November 5, 2008 at 9:40 am | Permalink
ROFLMAO
Dude . . . . . .
See what I mean, XXX?
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GMC70, now might be a good time to start tuning out the radical fringe on both ends of the spectrum. The election is over; the radicals have served their purpose. Now it’s time for those who are more moderate to start talking turkey.
I haven’t heard you say lately…how’s that boy of yours doing?
Where’s the mistake? Oh let me educate the uneducated ones:
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/on-education/2008/7/9/northwestern-starts-a-2-year-law-degree-program.html
Two year program. Stupid people are a dime a dozen on this forum. No surprise they all appear to be lacking an education. It’s no wonder GMC still can’t support his claim that the world is better off because America has slaughtered millions of civilians. Perhaps his amazing degree (maybe I’ll get one, they’re offered online, right next to holistic medicine and astrology degrees) taught him to pull stuff out of his ass.
Thanks Sol, got my B.A. at University of Alaska, Fairbanks, then I traveled to the hell known as Kansas for the M.S. But all this detracts from GMC pulling claims out of his ass which he clearly can’t support (hence his need to change the subject, it’s the sign of a weak, uneducated mind). The poor boy has probably never opened up a history book in his life.
I sure had a lot of fun this time around. I learned more about subjects than I ever had with my 12 years of Public school and 6 years in college.
Libertarians are a different breed, but it takes all kinds I always say.
I don’t know if Obama will do a great job or not. I really don’t care because ultimately it is up to the individual to make the lot of his life better.
Those who are waiting for a government handout will lose in the long run. You will actually see their standard of living decline in a real way.
It’s like that woman who was on Glen Beck telling him how she didn’t have to worry about filling her car up with gas or paying her bills anymore.
These people are out there and I feel bad for them. I hope that Obama can deliver on his promises to those who really need help. I have decided to volunteer some of my time to the goodwill so that I can teach illiterate people to read. This would be real progress in my opinion.
See you all in the trenches.
AE,
I saw that Barr got about 0.44% of the vote. How did Baldwin do?
Heck,
If we brought our troops home from all over the world, America would save 1 Trillion dollars a year in spending.
Although I’d like that money back in the form of less taxes, I wouldn’t mind it going to help people who need help in our country. Rebuilding Infrastructure would be fine too.
If we are going to more socialistic because it is necessary in this new century, at least spend it on the American people and make our country strong again.
It could make America strong enough to where we wouldn’t mind immigrants coming here because there would be an over abundance of work. We would be too busy being prosperous to worry about trivial issues.
130,000. All third parties increased voter turnout this election. It was a small step in a positive direction. Americans should know that other ideas are out there. They don’t have to agree, but they should know them.
I have to be honest, I switched to Barr after reading an article where he was remorseful for voting for the war and the Patriot Act.
Baldwin’s stance on religion was always a problem for me, but Barr’s past repelled me.
I do believe that Barr changed though.
AE,
Check the open thread.
123,769,898 people voted for Democrats or Republicans this time around.
My guess is that Obama’s share of votes (62,983,132)is still less that the amount of those who didn’t vote or voted third party.
Austrian_Economist
Posted November 5, 2008 at 10:28 am | Permalink
Heck,
If we brought our troops home from all over the world, America would save 1 Trillion dollars a year in spending
I could be wrong, and I agree with your suggestion, but I beleive your numbers are WAAAY off.
Sorry, your numbers about savings from bringing the US Military home.
AE what you say about bringing all of our forces home does sound good. Will we stop being the worlds police force? What happens when human rights violations occur? Our infrastructure is in need of much work. From what I have heard from my dad about the work programs after WWII this might be a good short term solution.
But is the world we live in so vastly different that we can’t afford the luxury of only taking care of our own? If the United Nations wasn’t such a corrupt organization maybe they could be a stop gap measure. Barring that as a compassionate country do we just turn our back when others need aid/help defending themselves.
Do we maintain a strong military or just a strong National Police Force?
So many questions. Will Obama have the answers. I hope so.
Oh, I guess i did include that. Up late last night, brain fuzzy this morning.
GMC70: Folks all over the world would give anything to be anywhere other than where the are. Millions of people (Middle & Far East , former USSR Republics, Africa, etc.,)are trying to get into Europe/UK by any means, with some considerable loss of life, carrying the same agenda/hope as Latinos seeking the US. America is not singular as being a land of hope for those with nothing. Actually, people at the northern end terminus of the Undergroud Railroad (circa 1820-1865) originally gave hope to the truly hopeless, a right to exist.
Sol,
I’d like to get one of those signs. Do you have an email address?
“Don’t blame me, I voted for Ron Paul”
Very nice.
littlejohn,
We spend close to a trillion dollars overseas to maintain the empire.
It is not exactly a trillion, but it is over 900 billion.
maggot -
After reading over your sheepskin collection above, only one thing to say. As noted before, if we’re gonna compare degrees, you lose. The difference isn’t in the history studied, but the perspective put on it. I understand your perspective; you’re ashamed of your country, and can’t see past its mistakes (which I freely acknowledge). I choose to take a larger perspective.
BTW – are you still under the illusion a Juris Doctor is a two year degree?
That said . . .
GMC70, now might be a good time to start tuning out the radical fringe on both ends of the spectrum. The election is over; the radicals have served their purpose. Now it’s time for those who are more moderate to start talking turkey.
XXX: point taken. And well taken. I’ve already written on that issue, though perhaps I should move it to this thread, since this one seems to be getting all the attention. Obama won, fair and square. He’s entitled to the powers and duties that go with the job, and I wish him success; his success is after all our success. He’s remarkably unprepared for the job, and is after all this time still very much a tabula rosa; I hope his obvious political talent will translate into governance.
I will suppport him when I think he’s right, and oppose him when I think he’s wrong. I will not, however, participate in the kind of hatred much of the left has wallowed in for the last 4+ years. Unlike some on the left (you know who you are), I do not hate those who disagree with me.
maggot – you didn’t read your own link, did you?
“IMMEDIATE RELEASE
No. 90-08February 04, 2008
Fiscal 2009 Department of Defense Budget Released
President George W. Bush today sent to Congress his Defense budget for Fiscal Year 2009. The budget provides $515.4 billion in discretionary authority for the Department of Defense (DoD), a $35.9 billion or 7.5 percent increase over the enacted level for Fiscal Year 2008.”
This may or may not include the war in Iraq. I didn;t go through it. But still, I doubt that you could sve 1 trillion dollars a year by closing allthe overseas military bases. Please provide your justificaiton for stating so.
Also, please see table at
http://www.defenselink.mil/comptroller/defbudget/fy2009/fy2009_summary_tables_whole.pdf
Good point Outlander. When you start at the bottom, there is no direction but up, unless like the republicans, you’re equipped with shovels.
Shovel, unfortunately, is a good analogy, and I can smell the pile from here. And it’s going require a sustained commitment to fixing this mess to make it happen.
From where I’m sitting, this means determining what works (whether are not certain politicians like it), and publicly leaning on them to make it happen. Be firm but avoid demonization–that’s the politics of Bush.
If you think it’s impossible, well, remember FDR, LBJ, Reagan, and (unfortuntely) George W. Bush. All managed to get significant votes for their programs from the opposing side. In W.’s case, he used demogoguery and fear to get all but one senator to vote for that horrendous Patriot Act.
There are other way to persuade, obviously.
I suspect I’m going to be corresponding more with John McCain and Jon Kyl in the next four years than I would have ever considered. Whether those communications are made public is up to them.
One thing that bothered me: I saw ex-Senator Bob Kerrey saying we shouldn’t take this as a liberal mandate and try to do things like repealing the Patriot Act. He’s half right: while it is a fundamental shift in looking at government (i.e. as governance), rolling over the opposition ain’t an option (politics aside, the numbers ain’t there).
But repealing the Patriot Act is not a “liberal” position, unless Bob Barr suddenly became a liberal. And we should, indeed we must, at least change the thing. Ir’s fundamentally dangerous and antithetical to democracy.
My point is not about the Patriot Act per se, but this rather moronic notion, abetted by pols like Kerrey, that says certain things are off the table because someone slapped on the label on them.
If that was really inevitable, then John McCain would be elected president right now.
Will it be easy? Hell no! Guaranteed? Again, hell no. But can we do it, if we really try?
Well, I think you’ve heard the answer to that one!
okobserver
Posted November 5, 2008 at 10:40 am | Permalink
AE what you say about bringing all of our forces home does sound good. Will we stop being the worlds police force? What happens when human rights violations occur?
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But when Bush and Cheney authorized torturing, don’t you think it lessened our leadership role in the ‘human rights violations’ category?
Perhaps we need to repair our own country and take care of our backyards for awhile and stop trying to tell everyone what to do – by force?
Unfortunately, right or wrong, the Bush Administration has made our country look like the bully in the playground. And what happens to bullies? they usually get what’s coming to them in the end.
Will we stop being the worlds police force?
Yes
What happens when human rights violations occur?
The UN (of which we will no longer be a member, nor monetary supporter of) should deal with it.
the kind of hatred much of the left has wallowed in for the last 4+ years.
I don’t hate Bush. He disgusts me, demoralizes me, and disturbs me, but hate him? Nah. Takes too much energy, and he doesn’t deserve the waste of it.
Unfortunately mom,
This country has been the bully for quite some time. Out of sight, out of mind.
Check out Operation Ajax when you get the chance.
I dare the UN to try and lay a tax on each citizen of each nation.
America has propped up this leviathan pipedream. Meanwhile, Americans standard of living continues to decline.
GMC70:I will suppport him when I think he’s right, and oppose him when I think he’s wrong. I will not, however, participate in the kind of hatred much of the left has wallowed in for the last 4+ years. Unlike some on the left (you know who you are), I do not hate those who disagree with me.
Hey, if you wanna see some real hatred, go over to Michelle Malkin’s site.
okobserver
Posted November 5, 2008 at 10:40 am | Permalink
AE what you say about bringing all of our forces home does sound good. Will we stop being the worlds police force? What happens when human rights violations occur?
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What did America do while Stalin starved his people to death?
What did America do about Pol Pot?
You don’t pick and choose which human rights to defend.
The reason we don’t is because we can’t afford it. You’ll notice most human rights violations don’t make our airwaves. Once again, out of sight, out of mind.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted November 5, 2008 at 12:45 pm | Permalink
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RE: “The World’s Policeman” –
How soon we forget.
The most significant difference between George HW Bush’s success in Desert Storm and George WMD Bush’s fiasco in Iraq is what was called “The Powell Doctrine.”
Colin Powell declared any commitment of American troops should include:
1) Overwhelming numbers to assure dominance on the battlefield.
2) To achieve #1, we develop meaningful alliances with those nations which agree with our goal.
3) And we enter the fray with well-defined goals and an exit strategy.
Shrub/Cheney/Rumsfeld trashed the Powell Doctrine. And, to be honest, so did Powell (the good soldier) when he spoke to the United Nations in 2002. I suspect he regrets that speech more than anything else in his life.
While CONs were obsessing over a bl*w job in the Oval Office, Madeline Albright was racking up frequent flyer miles between Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia… and, as a result, people who could sit at a table and talk took more control over the Middle East than suicide bombers.
Dumbya strutted into office in 2001 and bragged he was going to change everything about the Clinton Administration. Like actually reading Daily Security Briefings, like negotiating with Arab nations, like not getting caught getting a bl*w job.
In that respect, Shrub has had a highly successful presidency, I guess. If that’s what’s important to you.
Grateful Dave:
I don’t real Malkin much, but on your hint, I looked around her site. Didn’t see much “hate” at all. Saw a lot of thinking that the GOP lost this election (and deservedly so) much more than the Dems won it.
The GOP gained power as the party of smaller government, federalism, and fiscal responsibility. They lost when they abandoned those principles – i.e. governed like democrats.
I think she’s probably right in that.
But “hate?” Didn’t really see it there. I didn’t read the whole site, of course, nor most of the commenters. But I didn’t see it.
Wanna see real hate? You don’t have to go far, just read MH, maggot, JR, CF, etc. on this blog.
“GMC70″ –
I don’t hate.
But I do pity fools.
It must be difficult for you to have your nose shoved in your own s#it.
I apologize for that.
But maybe you’ll be housebroken someday.
- should be” I don’t read Malkin much
(muttering to self – “proofread, fool!”)
MH –
Just when I expect the lowest of you, you never fail to step to the plate.
There are liars, then there are those who lie to themselves. Read what you regularly write here, and tell yourself you don’t hate.
Go ahead, try. Or just lie to yourself some more.
While yesterday’s vote did not end entirely as I would have prefered, I’m at peace with myself and the world. Too bad you can’t say the same.
I would like to thank all the Limbaugh listeners who crossed over to vote for Obama in the primaries.
Operation Chaos, he called it.
Be sure to do that Operation Chaos thing from here on out too, okay?
I suspect some Hillary supporters won’t appreciate that joke, Capn, but it is nonetheless funny. They pretty clearly believed America would never elect a black man.
Oops.
Just to clarify: “they” = Rush’s people.
Man you guys just can’t stay off the race card can you?
“GMC70″ whines –
MH -
“…Read what you regularly write here, and tell yourself you don’t hate.”
Got any examples. “GMC70?”
Post ‘em.
Man you guys just can’t stay off the race card can you?
Huh? What “race card”? Did I miss something?
They pretty clearly believed America would never elect a black man.
You wrote it.
Sol, your inability to reason isn’t my problem.
I could have said that Rush’s people didn’t think a first term Senator could win, but that wasn’t the kind of “reasoning” we got from Rush.
More generally, the “race card” is a debate device used as a way to win an argument by implying racism in the opponents.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_card
In fact, many people believed that a black man couldn’t be elected, so it does not necessarily suggest racism to point out that Rush’s people clearly considered the same.
Is that clear enough for you now?
Idiot.
Hey, what ever helps your racist driven sleepless nights rage.
It’s how they work, Rage.
Stealing money from the poor and giving it to the rich is class warfare.
But complaining about “class warfare” is . . . you know . . . “playing the class warfare card.”
Being implicitly racist is okay. Talking about them being racist is “playing the race card.”
Using “San Francisco values” as code for “those godless Sodomites” is fine. But talking about how RepubliCONs gay bash is “playing the gay victim card.”
BTW, Sol–
It’s pretty hard to accuse Rage and me of being racists when we campaigned and voted for Obama.
Oh, and from your link…
In the less critical sense, the phrase is commonly used in two contexts. In the first, and more common context, it alleges that someone has deliberately and falsely accused another person of being a racist in order to gain some sort of advantage.[1]
From your posts:
They pretty clearly believed America would never elect a black man.
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Just to clarify: “they” = Rush’s people.
Implying that “Rush’s people” were racist. Most people I know that didn’t support Barak did so because they didn’t like his Marxist view of how government should operate.
Race was never and issue. But race has been pointed out far more often by the left durring this campaign (at least on this blog) than the right.
Clear enough for you?
Idiot.
Stealing money from the poor and giving it to the rich is class warfare.
Exactly what was earned by “poor people” and taken to be given to rich people?
Being implicitly racist is okay. Talking about them being racist is “playing the race card.”
Who, exactly, is “them”? How are “they” implicitly racist?
Any opinions on John Kerry being discussed for Secretary of State?
Any opinions on John Kerry being discussed for Secretary of State?
If he has to go overseas to dangerous regions, at least he has bulletproof hair.
SolDevVB
Posted November 5, 2008 at 3:42 pm | Permalink
Any opinions on John Kerry being discussed for Secretary of State?
If he has to go overseas to dangerous regions, at least he has bulletproof hair.
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His jaw makes too easy a target.
Mr_Kia
Posted November 5, 2008 at 3:39 pm | Permalink
Any opinions on John Kerry being discussed for Secretary of State?
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He would be the first Secretary of State to resemble a 7 foot tall basset hound.
If he has to go overseas to dangerous regions, at least he has bulletproof hair.
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John Edwards?
Sol. learn how to read.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/11/other-presidents-have-had-easier-to-do-lists/#comment-463564
No further comment is needed.
An interesting question was asked of me today: Will Obama preside as a black President or just a President?
From watching and listening to him, I fell he will be just a President. The days of the Jessie Jacksons and Al Sharptons, while needed, IMHO, during the turmoil of the sixties and seventies, are, thankfully, over. It is disgusting to me there are still many racists out there, but from the election, it appears their days are numbered.
I really don’t see a need for a president to preside as any color anymore. But I’m sure glad I am alive at this time when a black man can run for, and win, the President of the United States.
He does have many serious roadblocks ahead, but if he surrounds himself with the right people, runs an open, transparent administration, I believe he will get many of the things, that won him White House, done.
Go President Obama . . . the beat of luck to you.
“And Mary, fu..ck yourself. don’t throw me into the rascist mix.”
Back at ya, sweetie!
Mr_Kia: Jeez, I dunno know about Kerry as S.O.S., he speaks fluent French (gasp!)you know. Will that eliminate or enhance possible warfare with France, Belgium, Canada, several West Africa Nations, the Levant and Indo-China? He got pillaried 4 years ago for having that skill…but wait, French has long been the language of diplomacy, it might help! But would Rush will have go back to ordering Freedom Fries? Lots to think about here.
SolDevVB posted November 5, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Race was never and issue. But race has been pointed out far more often by the left durring this campaign (at least on this blog) than the right.
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After 9/11, what group of people do most Americans think of when they hear or read the word “terrorist”?
The McCain/Palin campaign (and RNC, right-wing pundits, et al) repeatedly tried to link Obama to a former terrorist.
Percentage of eligible voters that voted for President on Nov 4, 2008:
67%
Obama votes 63,893,037 52% approx
McCain votes 56,404,917 46% approx
This means that about 33% of the eligible voters didn’t vote for President. How many voters is that?
Eligible voters in the USA (registered or not):
180,000,000 approx
Eligible voters who didn’t vote (whether they choose not to vote or didn’t register):
60,148,977 approx 33.3% approx
Obama votes from eligible voters 35.5% approx
McCain votes from eligible voters 31.1% approx
Neither a landslide or a mandate!
You can check my numbers, but I believe that is correct!
“American” –
Thanks for spamming your little number crunch.
Rachel Maddow called it:
“The Audacity of Mope.”
I could have said that Rush’s people didn’t think a first term Senator could win,
But you didn’t rage, you went straight for the race card. Hmmmm.