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Once again more real science (not creationist excuses, dodges and whining) that supports the irrefutable fact of evolution.
DNA Chunks, Chimps And Humans: Marks Of Differences Between Human And Chimp Genomes
ScienceDaily (Nov. 6, 2008) — Researchers have carried out the largest study of differences between human and chimpanzee genomes, identifying regions that have been duplicated or lost during evolution of the two lineages. The study, published in Genome Research, is the first to compare many human and chimpanzee genomes in the same fashion.
The team show that particular types of genes – such as those involved in the inflammatory response and in control of cell proliferation – are more commonly involved in gain or loss. They also provide new evidence for a gene that has been associated with susceptibility to infection by HIV.
“This is the first study of this scale, comparing directly the genomes of many humans and chimpanzees,” says Dr Richard Redon, from the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute, a leading author of the study. “By looking at only one ‘reference’ sequence for human or chimpanzee, as has been done previously, it is not possible to tell which differences occur only among individual chimpanzees or humans and which are differences between the two species.
More real science (not creationist whining) at:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081105191731.htm
Obama’s Challenge
November 5, 2008 | 1202 GMT
Geopolitical Intel Report from STRATFOR
Interesting stuff.
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20081105_obama_s_challenge
Well if the eagle staff aren’t going to draw attention to its homegrown fundy base, perhaps someone needs to send the information about Holick’s sign to CNN or MSNBC. Keith Olbermann would have a field day with the info.
CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN
from O’Bidens transition web site.
Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn’t have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.
You know Heckler, there are many gun rights advocates who also believe in those measures.
P-mom
How do you make a gun child-proof yet still be 100% reliable as a self defense tool?
Gun sales are UP all over the country. We should see a dramatic DECREASE in crime of all kinds very shortly.
All hail the infallible and saintly gun owners! All hail these sons of the true God who are never wrong and always show us the ways of righteousness.
All hail the perfect gun owners!
“Heckler” –
It you’re case, it might be tough.
They’d have to make guns smarter than a 5th Grader.
Interesting post, Heckler. It touches on all the anti-gun-bed-wetting-wienie talking points.
The Tiahrt Ammendment. The MSM lies about its purpose and not one of the left wing ninnies on this BLOG can carry on a inteligent convrsation about its real purpose and ramifications.
Closing the mysterious, magical gun show loophole. Again, I doubt any of the nitwits on this BLOG that think it should be closed even understand what is meant by the supposed ‘loop hole’.
The assault weapons ban. Another red herring. Talk about your crime statistics! I personally felt a lot safer knowing the bad guys couldn’t buy ’scary looking’ guns!
And, then, the biggest hypocracy of all, keeping the guns out of the hands of criminals! They want felons to be able to have all the other ‘rights’, including the right to vote, why not guns?
Amazing how the right feeds into the paranoia..Obama has already stated he has no plans to challege the 2nd amendment and has no plans to change the laws.
BTW, we should all call Spirit One and complain about their sign every day until they take it down.
P-mom
As to the assault weapons ban, the AR-15 in it’s many variations is now the most commonly used rifle in competitive shooting in the U.S. There are millions of them in circulation. And how often is one used in a crime? Almost never. But we should ban them because they scare politicians and college professors?
Mary
“Obama has already stated he has no plans to challege the 2nd amendment and has no plans to change the laws.”
My 6:49 post came straight from O’bidens transition website. Sorry I forgot the link.
http://www.change.gov/agenda/urbanpolicy/
Do you REALLY believe everything a Democrat politician says???
naive
Eagle editors?
Where is the thread about Spirit One church and its blatant violation of its tax exempt status?
If I was so paranoid that I had to have a gun in easy reach at all times?
I don’t think I’d bring up bed wetting.
Do Depends undergarments now feature a gun sleeve?
The Pickens Plan:
How Individual Investors Can Make a Fortune…
in the World’s New Energy Paradigm
November 7th, 2008
From legendary oilman and billionaire T. Boone Pickens:
“America is in a hole and it’s getting deeper every day. We import 70% of our oil at a cost of $700 billion a year – four times the annual cost of the Iraq war.”
“I’ve been an oil man all my life, but this is one emergency we can’t drill our way out of. But if we create a new renewable energy network, we can break our addiction to foreign oil.”
So, what is one of the world’s richest oil men doing about it?
The “Oracle of Oil” has unleashed a $58 million public relations blitz focused on persuading Americans to reduce their dependence on foreign oil by turning increasingly to wind power and natural gas.
Called The Pickens Plan, the project calls for an estimated $1 trillion government investment… to displace electricity currently produced with natural gas with clean wind power.
Meantime, he’s pouring billions of his own money into each of those profitable sectors. In fact, he’s spending $12 billion on what could prove to be the world’s biggest wind farm–in Texas.
Another of his ventures, Clean Energy Fuels, is the foremost company in one of the world’s fastest-rising industries: building and operating natural gas fueling stations for vehicles.
But that’s just the beginning of the story behind wind and natural gas.
With over 50 countries now installing wind turbines, investment in wind energy climbed to $50.2 billion last year. And hundreds of corporate and governmental fleets are converting to vehicles that run on natural gas.
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I return to my basic position –
All U.S. citizens should have the right to own and use any shape or form of firearm they want… except for those people who really, really, REALLY want them.
I just don’t understand those who obsess over gun rights. I mean, I encounter my 1st Amendment rights every morning as I unroll the newspaper. You actively exercise your constitution rights when you say grace before meals.
It appears some people fret over the 2nd Amendment far more frequently. That’s obsessive behavior of a highly neurotic personality.
It’s comparable to keeping 24-hour sentries outside your house for fear the military is coming to quarter troops in the rumpus room.
Priorities, people.
Monkey”boy”
wah wah wah wah
Spirit One would love to get more publicity. It’s not like they are keeping it behind closed doors. There is a movement to test the constitutionality of the political speech ban on churches, enacted in 1954.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-pulpit25-2008sep25,0,5235934.story
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Church/Default.aspx?id=114442
“Heckler” elevates his debating level –
“wah wah wah wah”
You should audition for a grown-up’s voice if they ever make another Peanuts special.
Oh the future is so bright I gotta wear a welder’s mask.
Joe Scarborough just likened Sarah Palin to Obi wan Kenobi.
Just to follow up on a previous day’s post, it is confirmed that this great voter groundswell that we had, largely due to the excitement over the savior Obama….
It didn’t happen. The media bent reality for you, again.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/06/report-08-turnout-same-or-only-slightly-higher-than-04/
I missed the post. What is Spirit One, Inc, posting. I often document their spew, as they are near my neighborhood….
Spirit one’s sign?
“America we have a Muslim President! This is sin against Lord!”
and then some Bible verse is noted.
heehe. as usual, they got it wrong…
“America we have a Muslim President! This is sin against Lord!”
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Bush is Muslim? Just wait until his Texas neighbors hear about this!
Wow, isnt it amazing how many nics have disappeared?
Where is Regular? Bigotbox? Max? The americans? There are so many missing. Maybe one man gone and the rest of the sock puppets went with him?
Perhaps someone got banned for nic poaching?
Or are they just off crying in their beer?
In any event, they aint missed!
Note to grmie, when your wingnut preachers stop bringing up leviticus, we’ll stop bringing up the old testament? Ok? Deal?
BIG eye roll…
Mr. Obama ran on a platform of guaranteed health care and tax breaks for the middle class, paid for with higher taxes on the affluent. John McCain denounced his opponent as a socialist and a “redistributor,” but America voted for him anyway. That’s a real mandate. -Paul Kruggman
The media bent reality for you, again.
Really? the media didn’t tell the whole truth? The media was in the tank for Obama?
Say it ain’t so!!!!!!!!
I’m shocked. Really.
In other news, gravity causes stuff to fall. Really.
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The post from the Obama/Biden transition site above is interesting, not because I think Obama is going to make attacks on gun rights a priority (I don’t think he will, though he will sign anything that comes across his desk, as he’s NEVER met a gun control law he didn’t like). It’s that Obama/Biden position regurgitates all the usual lies.
Let’s see: The Tiahrt amendment “restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information.” That’s a blatant lie, as has been demonstrated here again and again; it does no such thing.
The “gun show loophole.” Criminee – there is no such thing; it’s a myth. There are no special exceptions to any law for “gun shows.”
The Assault Weapons Ban keeping ‘those’ weapons on battlefields . . . please (rolls eyes). The weapons on “battlefields” are full auto weapons, highly regulated since the 1930’s. An AR15 is a semi-auto rifle, no different in operation than rifles that have been around for nearly a century. The only difference between an AR15 and any other semi-auto rifle is it “looks evil.” And $1000+ AR15s are hardly the chosen weapon of crime; one can practically count on one hand the crimes committed by same. As noted, the AR15 is the most common target rifle in America; there are millions out there (and sales are going up in anticipation of an Obama administration, BTW). And this is the rifle that is a threat to us all?
Common-sense regulation, indeed. We know what the left means when it seeks “common-sense” regulation. And it has nothing to do with common sense.
As to MH’s comment: The 1st amendment, which you rightly treasure, is a foundation of democracy. So is the 2nd, perhaps even more so. But your 1st amendment rights are not under regular attack from a political party that routinely denied that such a right even exists (that was in fact Obama’s position, pre-Heller; he then apparantly had an epiphany). When that is the case, call me. We’ll see how much you really value your liberties.
Regular disappeared Nov. 5 saying that he couldn’t see his computer screen. Perhaps (like Saul) he was struck blind for his persecution of liberals.
KFG,
I am currently ‘poaching’ my own nic and have been for days. It seems when I threatened to release the loop hole in the blog to anyone who requested it (as well as the WE), my account was shut down. I did this to show how these ‘nic switchers’ were operating. I offered the WE access to the info and they never contacted me.
Oh well.
Buck Crashes Through Door of Business Named Deery
Friday, November 07, 2008
BURLINGTON, Iowa — A deer caused its own collision when it crashed through the front door of an auto repair shop in Burlington.
Workers at Deery Bros. Collision Center say the six-point buck rammed its head against the glass door Thursday morning. When the glass gave way, the buck got inside the office, where it crashed into several desks and file cabinets, leaving a bloody mess.
Assistant Manager Korey Trail says they tried to get the deer to leave by opening all the office doors, but no luck. Trail says they called police, but the buck died a few minutes later from its injuries.
Regular was complaining about not being able to see the full screen because of a visin impairment. SUdden onset. He hasn;t been heard from since. Hopefully, he is okay.
for the callous and uncaring (as in mxy)..Regular was asking about some symptoms that are remarkably similar to macular degeneration or a possible harbinger of a stroke..was strongly advised to see a doctor and has not be back online since.
continue your thoughtless cracks and accusations, and prove how low you really are.
My money is on hysterical blindness. Side bet for spontaneous implosion.
bj…do you point and snicker at people in wheelchairs, too?
I have long said that the only way that this country can be restored to greatness is if we all work together. Well it’s time for me to put up or shut up. I will do what I can to work for the betterment of this country and support the new president until and if he shows me he doesn’t have the best intrests of this country as the basis for his administration.
I don’t know how much I can do,but will do what I can
BAGHDAD — Barack Obama may have been elected only three days ago, but his victory is already beginning to shift the political ground in Iraq and the region.
Iraqi Shiite politicians are indicating that they will move faster toward a new security agreement about American troops, and a Bush administration official said he believed that Iraqis could ratify the agreement as early as the middle of this month.
“Before, the Iraqis were thinking that if they sign the pact, there will be no respect for the schedule of troop withdrawal by Dec. 31, 2011,” said Hadi al-Ameri, a powerful member of the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq, a major Shiite party. “If Republicans were still there, there would be no respect for this timetable. This is a positive step to have the same theory about the timetable as Mr. Obama.”
BAGHDAD — Barack Obama may have been elected only three days ago, but his victory is already beginning to shift the political ground in Iraq and the region.
Iraqi Shiite politicians are indicating that they will move faster toward a new security agreement about American troops, and a Bush administration official said he believed that Iraqis could ratify the agreement as early as the middle of this month.
“Before, the Iraqis were thinking that if they sign the pact, there will be no respect for the schedule of troop withdrawal by Dec. 31, 2011,” said Hadi al-Ameri, a powerful member of the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq, a major Shiite party. “If Republicans were still there, there would be no respect for this timetable. This is a positive step to have the same theory about the timetable as Mr. Obama.”
Well said Freebird. Dispite who was elected there are tough times ahead. time to roll up the sleeves. :)
Freebird
“the only way that this country can be restored to greatness is if we all work together.”
Kind of hard to do when you have 2 sides who have diametrically opposed visions of what they wish this country to be. You may find areas of agreement on foreign policy but that’s it.
And I’m not sure what people think needs to be “restored”. The respect of nations who hate us regardless of what we do?
“ksfarmgrrl” notes –
“Wow, isnt it amazing how many nics have disappeared?
Where is Regular? Bigotbox? Max? The americans? There are so many missing. Maybe one man gone and the rest of the sock puppets went with him?”
As I’ve said repeatedly, I have no interest in alleged sock-puppets. I deal with nyms as published and the posts under those nics.
Still, the absence of all those posters is curious.
Heckler
Posted November 7, 2008 at 10:00 am | Permalink
Freebird
“the only way that this country can be restored to greatness is if we all work together.”
Kind of hard to do when you have 2 sides who have diametrically opposed visions of what they wish this country to be. You may find areas of agreement on foreign policy but that’s it.
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Agreed,however if we don’t try nothing will change. I’m not saying I will give a pass to the new administration,I am saying I’m willing to work for a brighter future for this country and I am willing to modify my position on issues if I feel it will make this a better place to live
ksfarmgrrl
Posted November 7, 2008 at 8:52 am | Permalink
Note to grmie, when your wingnut preachers stop bringing up leviticus, we’ll stop bringing up the old testament? Ok? Deal?
BIG eye roll…
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Thanks farmie. MY preacher didn’t bring up Leviticus. Sorry there is a preacher in Wichita that sees things differently but even he has freedom of speech unless the IRS tells him to stop posting political stuff on his sign.
Heard you had been under the weather. Hope all is well now.
Mine either. But, we all have a right to choose which church we attend. Some of us choose wisely
Now doctors say a bystander can recognize a stroke
by asking three simple questions:
S * Ask the individual to SMILE.
T * Ask the person to TALK and SPEAK A SIMPLE SENTENCE
(Coherently) i.e. It is sunny out today)
R * Ask him or her to RAISE BOTH ARMS.
RE:”Chas
Posted November 7, 2008 at 10:32 am | Permalink
Now doctors say a bystander can recognize a stroke
by asking three simple questions:
S * Ask the individual to SMILE.
T * Ask the person to TALK and SPEAK A SIMPLE SENTENCE
(Coherently) i.e. It is sunny out today)
R * Ask him or her to RAISE BOTH ARMS.”
That explains it; Bush suffered a stroke years ago!!
Kind of hard to do when you have 2 sides who have diametrically opposed visions of what they wish this country to be.
Heck, despite our differences, there is far more we agree on than we differ about. There are areas where compromise can be made, and progress made. Obama has said he will govern for all Americans; I presume that means he will govern mostly from the center and reach across the aisles. The election returns make doing so in his political interest. It is encumbant upon conservatives to reach back in good faith and work to find areas where we can agree and make progress on our problems.
There are lines conservatives cannot cross, of course, on matters of principle. On some issues, there is no compromise. But those are relatively few. On most issues, there are areas of common ground where we can work together.
Gster —-
When I had mine, I had the visual impairment Regular mentioned Nov. 5 — And I could only raise ONE arm… That is why I made an immediate suggestion to Regular, to get to an ER immediately….
I do not know if he did, or not….
I do not know if he did, or not….
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Are hospital admissions public information?
And if one were to review the posts that morning, it was us “hate-filled liberals” who were concerned about “Regular’s” symptoms.
The CONs were snarking sour grapes of the election’s results.
Priorities, people.
Does anyone have contact information for Regular? Anyone check the obits? Not being funny but serious.
I must be one of those “hate-filled liberals”.
(patting self on the back)
SolDevVB
Posted November 7, 2008 at 10:51 am | Permalink
Does anyone have contact information for Regular? Anyone check the obits? Not being funny but serious.
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Sol, I didn’t see anything in the Obits.
Chas
Posted November 7, 2008 at 10:42 am | Permalink
Gster —-
When I had mine, I had the visual impairment Regular mentioned Nov. 5 — And I could only raise ONE arm… That is why I made an immediate suggestion to Regular, to get to an ER immediately….
I do not know if he did, or not….
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Hope he did. If it was a stroke the first 24 hours are critical as I am sure you are aware of
Well everyone knows his name. Anyone call the hospitals? Kind of hard for me to do it in MI
“And if one were to review the posts that morning, it was us “hate-filled liberals” who were concerned about “Regular’s” symptoms.”
Yeah, like
“Regular disappeared Nov. 5 saying that he couldn’t see his computer screen. Perhaps (like Saul) he was struck blind for his persecution of liberals.”
and
“My money is on hysterical blindness. Side bet for spontaneous implosion”
I can feel the love.
Many hospitals will no longer give out that information. But I must confess, I have not tried.
I recall years ago when Roger Grung (Karl Peterjohn’s predecessor) threw an embolism I was the one who told him to call 911 and then met him at the hospital. Unfortunately he did ultimately pass away – I miss all of our arguements. We could have spirited discussions without getting disagreeable. And, as noted on another thread, we often found substantial agreement “across the aisle”
oops = Grund, not Grung
littlejohn
Posted November 7, 2008 at 10:55 am | Permalink
Many hospitals will no longer give out that information. But I must confess, I have not tried.
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You might try calling the info desk and ask what room patient”John Smith” is in. If he is there they normally give out that type of info unless the family requests otherwise
RE: Hospital Admissions —-
NO they are not public information. Calling the Info desk, and asking for a particular patient can be effective, and time consuming.
Thanks Chas, I know in years past admissions were published in some local papers….But again, years past..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bvqmY1eM-s
Nice.
Anyone check the obits? Not being funny but serious.
I’m 1000 miles away, but yep, sure have. Nothing there last I looked.
I’ve heard that he doesn’t live alone and has family, but I don’t know anything else.
I’ve seen what was presumably his correct email address, but I’d rather not post it.
Google is your friend.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bvqmY1eM-s
Nice.
Kinda like the lady who wouldn’t give candy to the kids of Obama supporters.
Random idiots. Who cares?
Seems if you call the main number at the hospitals and ask a person is still a patient or has been discharged (”…so I know where to send flowers…,” you’re likely to get a clue.
They might even tell you the patient’s overall condition (i.e., “critical,” “improving,” etc.) or that since the patient is in an ICU, flowers aren’t allowed.
Raptor
Posted November 7, 2008 at 9:10 am | Permalink
for the callous and uncaring (as in mxy)..Regular was asking about some symptoms that are remarkably similar to macular degeneration or a possible harbinger of a stroke..was strongly advised to see a doctor and has not be back online since.
continue your thoughtless cracks and accusations, and prove how low you really are.
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Get a grip folks. Let’s keep in mind we’re talking about the biggest con artist on the blog.
Watch for a new nic with a particularly nasty attitude.
Also notice that since Regular left, the blog is a whole lot more civil.
A few weeks ago, Regular “predicted” that something bad was going to happen to me. He even suggested that I should die.
Bad Kharma has a way of biting you in the a$$.
mxyzptlk
Posted November 7, 2008 at 8:58 am | Permalink
Regular disappeared Nov. 5 saying that he couldn’t see his computer screen.
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Maybe his video card failed, LOL!
An update to my new “Foxes Gone Wild!” series:
Fox Bursts Into South Carolina Church, Bites Pastor’s Daughter and 2 Others Before Being Killed
SPARTANBURG, S.C. — Evening youth programs at a South Carolina church were interrupted when a fox burst in and attacked three people.
The bite victims are now waiting to see whether they’ll need to be treated for rabies after the Wednesday night incident.
The Herald-Journal of Spartanburg reported Friday that a woman opened the door of the family life center at Liberty Baptist Church in Inman to lead youth group members to the main building when the fox pounced.
The animal jumped on the skirt of Pastor David Duncan’s 20-year-old daughter, Alicia Duncan, and its teeth scratched her legs, he said. Two other people were bitten.
Several people tried to scare the fox outside and had to use metal chairs to hit it.
Officials say the animal was hurt when officers arrived and it died shortly thereafter.
The Department of Health and Environmental Control was conducting tests to determine if it was rabid.
(AP)
‘Obama will take his Internet army to Washington‘
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/3092737
“A powerful new lobbying force is coming to town: Barack Obama’s triumphant army of 3.1 million Internet-linked donors and volunteers.
In a mass e-mail thanking them, written moments before his Grant Park victory speech, Obama put them on notice. “We have a lot to do to get our country back on track, and I’ll be in touch soon about what comes next,” he wrote.
…
Trippi predicted that Obama would use his forces, first and foremost, to intimidate congressional foes of his agenda, rally his allies and forge “one of the most powerful presidencies in American history.”
Certainly, Obama reaches the White House with the biggest, best organized, fastest-acting grass-roots army in the history of presidential campaigning.
Moreover, because his Internet operation was miles ahead of Republican John McCain’s , Obama’s liberal-to-libertarian electronic activists are in a position to dominate the new political medium much as conservative Republicans dominate talk radio.”
More at link.
Oh my. Mary has spoken. Obama has no plans to enact more gun control.
One of the biggest anti-gun people on the blog has reassured me of Obama’s true intentions on gun control.
WHEW! I feel better now.
However…
The problem is not that Obama will be the one bringing up gun control. It is the fact that the Democrats have Congress and they will be the ones who will most likely bring up more gun control.
Are there any liberals or Democrats here who would argue that if the House and Senate voted to enact gun control that Obama wouldn’t sign it?
Maggotpunk,
Once again, you only show your own ignorance by claiming that Evolution is an irrefutable fact.
Rage
Posted November 7, 2008 at 11:15 am | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bvqmY1eM-s
Nice.
Kinda like the lady who wouldn’t give candy to the kids of Obama supporters.
Random idiots. Who cares?
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The difference is she was in my tax funded classroom on my tax funded salary.
She wants to spout that crap to kids at the door on Halloween that’s her business. Not in the classroom.
As with any legislation, I would think that the specific content of such legislation would determine whether a President would or would not sign it. No need to worry over what hasnt happened yet.
Nathan et al,
I decided not to judge Obama’s administration before he even has an administration. I think it is a wise choice. No need to get all worked up over what might happen.
As per 2A, we still have SCOTUS. They voted correctly on the Washington ban. Should there be bills enacted into law, they most likely will not survive the SCOTUS.
Nathaniel posted November 7, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Are there any liberals or Democrats here who would argue that if the House and Senate voted to enact gun control that Obama wouldn’t sign it?
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Congress has much more important issues to work on than taking away Nathaniel’s beloved guns.
Because they have brought forth such grond breaking legislation the last two years….
SolDevVB,
The Supreme Court barely took that case. They responded to it very specifically.
There are still cities and states in this country with very restricitve gun control laws which have yet to be overturned.
Even after the ruling by the court Washington DC was still thwarting the ruling however they could.
This idea that any law that is passed will not survive the court is very naive.
And yes, when you can safely predict what will happen, it makes alot of sense to prepare for it. Those of us who support the 2nd Amendment and an individuals right have been through this many times. We understand how the left works in thinks. Waiting for something to happen is asking to be caught unprepared.
Hatemonger Pharisee Phred Phelps is at it again:
East Tennessee school district cancels classes over Westboro protest
HUNTSVILLE, Tenn. – A rural East Tennessee school system has canceled classes after a demonstration was planned by a religious group.
WATE-TV reported the schools were closed Friday because the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka announced it would stage a demonstration over the traffic crash deaths of four Scott County High School cheerleaders last month.
Schools director Sharon Wilson said it was inconceivable that anyone would say the deaths were divine retribution for the sins of the people in Tennessee, which the group is claiming.
Sheriff Anthony Lay said he expects the protesters will be met by a local group opposed to them and said he hopes both sides will be civil.
http://www.kansas.com/news/updates/story/589134.html
Cosmos,
Last time Congress was controlled by the left, they didn’t.
2 years ago when the left took control of Congress there were many who tried to pass more gun control.
Now that they really have more control over the Congress and now have the executive branch as well what makes you think that now all of a sudden they will not be attempting to pass any gun control?
So, Nathan — What would be your specific plans, if, by some long shot chance, Congress would pass some kind of gun legislation with which you disagree?? Hmmmm???
Mr. Kia…how can you say that? They have been very busy..promoting National Substitute Teacher Recognition Week, National Cowboy Day, and a lot of others.
No Congress in the same 20 years has been so prolific when it comes to proposing resolutions –more than 1,900, according to a tally by the nonpartisan Taxpayers for Common Sense.
Makes you proud to pay taxes to fund this nonsense, doesn’t it?
There are still cities and states in this country with very restricitve gun control laws which have yet to be overturned.
Then why aren’t the citizens fighting it?
This idea that any law that is passed will not survive the court is very naive.
Worked in DC. Naïve? Me thinks not.
Waiting for something to happen is asking to be caught unprepared.
Preemptive strike. Where have I heard that before? How’d that work out?
SolDevVB,
It appears as if you are more interested in making quick little smart retorts than having a real discussion.
Chas,
To continue to support the NRA, get others to support the NRA, and get it’s membership up.
Prepare for the next election and hopefully get more seats back in both our state and nationally.
Nathan…
There are still cities and states in this country with very restricitve gun control laws which have yet to be overturned.
Then why aren’t the citizens fighting it?
Nathan —
The NRA does not pass legislation.
Nathaniel posted November 7, 2008 at 12:38 pm
And yes, when you can safely predict what will happen, it makes alot of sense to prepare for it. Those of us who support the 2nd Amendment and an individuals right have been through this many times. We understand how the left works in thinks. Waiting for something to happen is asking to be caught unprepared.
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So WHY are you wasting time posting on this blog, Nathaniel? You should instead be organizing with your gun friends nationwide, to stop any possible future gun control legislation.
You better hurry, Nathaniel! Jan 20 isn’t far off, and gun control may be one of the top items on the “left’s” Congressional agenda!
Cosmos, the Earth is cooling as you type.
“Nathaniel” –
The NRA is a marketing arm of the firearms industry.
The 2nd Amendment is merely an advertising strategy.
There was a time when the NRA used the “they’ll register you and make you get a permit!” tactic. But when they realized they could sell more handguns, they tanked for permits, training, and restrictions on Concealed Carry.
And they sold more guns and got more idiots to fund their marketing campaign.
People like you who obsess on the gun issue buy anything the NRA tells you… hook, line, and street-sweeper.
The NRA is the CON version of AARP.
Yeah, AARP lobbies for Senior issues, but it exists merely as a marketing arm of their insurance company.
Ronald Reagan’s original press secretary was against any form of gun control until a mentally ill would-be assassin had no problem getting the tool to put a chunk of lead into his head.
Sometimes reality touches ideology.
And that’s always been the case with the NRA. When the market changes they change their “principles.”
In fact, the GOA has more of my respect than the NRA because those people actually address the constitutional issues of the 2nd Amendment. Some of their followers posting from around the bend, but they got their honestly.
The National Rifle Association is in it for the money. Your money. Nothing else.
If we gave ‘em, say, a few billion dollars, to promote everyone donating their firearms to a “patriotic metal drive,” most NRA members would send their carbines to the smelter.
And a few months later, the firearms manufacturers would cash in to re-arm all you wolves in sheep’s
holstersclothing.Heeheehee, I can imagine all these whackos across the country now.. They are taking their guns apart, putting the steel parts in plastic zip lock bags, pouring in the oil, sealing and boxing them up. In the dead of night, they creep into the woods to bury their precious guns in shallow graves so that they can be retrieved when the black helicopters with the “O” on the tail begin the raids.
http://www.amazon.com/How-Bury-Your-Goods-Underground/dp/0915179563
Enjoy…
David, if that were to happen, my guns would be pointing at the black helicopters. One on the way and one in the pipe.
I don’t fear that it will come to that in my lifetime though.
Chas,
I never claimed the NRA did pass legislation.
What’s next captain obvious?
Comos,
Why are you wasting time on this blog while the Earth is being destroyed and we must act before it is too late????
http://www.amazon.com/Modern-Weapons-Caching-Down-Earth/dp/0873645839/ref=pd_sim_b_1
Heehee… “paranoia runs deep.. into your life it will creep.. there’s a man with a gun over there, tellin’ me “we got to beware.”
Review
Borrowing techniques used by the French Resistance in World War II and the Vietcong, Modern Weapons Caching is a practical “how-to” manual on safely sequestering firearms by constructing a foolproof cache guaranteed to weather the elements for years. Readers will also find information about where to place their cache in order to avoid detection — even beating high-tech metal detectors. Modern Weapons Caching is informative, instructional, and a valuable contribution to any firearm owner’s reference library. — Midwest Book Review
The time to prepare is now. In the race against the firearm roundup in the U.S., gun owners who refuse to give up the freedoms that are their birthright must take their weapons underground-bury them-before it’s too late. Ragnar will show you how to do it right.
The true goal of those behind the AGW movement.
Rich nations should ditch ‘unsustainable’ lifestyles: China’s Wen
Nov 7 10:58 AM US/Eastern
Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao and a top UN official urged industrialised nations Friday to alter their lifestyles and not let the global financial crisis hamper climate change efforts.
Industrialised nations should also help developing countries respond to climate change, Wen said at the opening of a two-day international meeting on global warming in Beijing.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=081107145825.op2k0ggd&show_article=1
LOL
So MonkeyHawk respects the fringe elements of the gun rights movement (the GOA) more than the NRA.
Well, I must admit I never would have expected that.
But of course, you don’t agree with either of them.
The simple fact is that the NRA does alot to support candidates who support the 2nd Amendment.
Of course you don’t like that. Of course you don’t like the very organization which helps to elect candidates who are in favor of a strong 2nd Amendment right and fights more gun control.
Big surprise there.
DAMN!
I blew the joke.
(Proofreading is your friend, Monkeyhawk. Keep telling yourself.)
The final line should have read –
“Like a sheep in wolves’
clothingholsters.”(sigh)
Yes, yes, we all faithfully follow the teaching of Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao whahahhahahahahahahahahah!
Offered without comment:
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/constitution/pdf2002/020.pdf
Nathaniel posted November 7, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Comos,
Why are you wasting time on this blog while the Earth is being destroyed and we must act before it is too late????
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All work and no play is unhealthy. I enjoy pointing out fools like Nathaniel, who stupidly believes lies from an agriculutural economist.
“Nathaniel” reveals his cluelessness –
“So MonkeyHawk respects the fringe elements of the gun rights movement (the GOA) more than the NRA.”
Yes, in fact, I do.
They’re the only ones addressing a very legitimate 2nd Amendment debate with sincerity. And on constitutional grounds.
It was the GOA that first made the argument “The Second Amendment is not about shooting ducks.”
I can’t argue with that proposition which if I recall correctly, you boy, have expressed in this forum.
Welcome to “the fringe.”
The NRA is in it for the bucks. And they got your bucks and they bought your mind.
Sometimes it’s frustrating to try to tell the lemmings “You’re headed the wrong way.”
(sigh)
‘Al Gore group urges Obama to create U.S. power grid‘
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE4A58N620081106
“Al Gore’s Alliance for Climate Protection has some environmental advice for the incoming Obama administration: focus on energy efficiency and renewable resources, and create a unified U.S. power grid.
On Thursday, the group Gore founded rolled out a new media campaign to push for immediate investments in three energy areas it maintains would help meet Gore’s previously announced challenge to produce 100 percent clean electricity in the United States in a decade.”
More at link.
YouTube ads at,
http://repoweramerica.org/raads
challenge to produce 100 percent clean electricity in the United States in a decade.”
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Not gonna happen without coal, gas, or nuclear.
100 percent clean electricity in the United States in a decade
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Rolling Black-outs. Get used to the idea.
MonkeyHawk,
The NRA addresses many different forms of gun control all across the country.
They are very mobilized and very effective.
What is the “legitimate” debate on the 2nd Amendment?
It takes money to support issues. Of course the NRA is in it for raising money to support pro-gun issues.
How am I brainwashed? For someone who cries so much about others calling you names and for one who claims to be above that, you keep saying that I am brainwashed and a lemming.
ANTI posted November 7, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Not gonna happen without coal, gas, or nuclear.
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Right ANTI. . . it’s impossible. And America could not send men to the moon. /sarcasm off
Cosmos, the sun doesn’t shine at night and there is not enough wind to power the entire U.S.A.
http://www.repoweramerica.org/elements/analysis/
“These scenarios demonstrate, however, that technology availability is not the factor limiting achievement of the Repower America goal. It will be possible to achieve a 100% clean power mix over the next ten years if appropriate policies are put in place to unleash the technologies’ vast potential.”
Magazine Banned in Iran
Iran’s official news agency says that authorities banned a prominent weekly for going beyond topics it was supposed to cover.
IRNA’s report Thursday quotes deputy culture minister Alireza Malekian as saying that the magazine – Sharvand-e Emrooz, or Today’s Citizen – was banned because of a “discrepancy” between its content and “declared domain.” Malekian also says the magazine editors ignored earlier warnings on the issue.
The weekly was licensed to cover cultural, social and economic topics and sports. But many of its articles were political.
With a 50,000-strong circulation, it was a welcome tribune for political figures opposed to the ruling hard-liners.
Iran’s judiciary, controlled by hard-liners, has shut more than 100 newspapers since 2000.
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I found a place for JR, Chas and the other ‘fairness doctrine’ backers. Iran, where no political talk is allowed. The government is always right and no one is allowed to critize them. And if you don’t do what they say they just shut you down.
Is this what you fairness doctrine backers are calling for?
“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bvqmY1eM-s
Nice.
SO?
The teacher was engaging the kids in discussion. I didn’t hear her lie.
Cosmos, why is disposal of batteries and issue?
What will be used to provide “storage” for wind/solar energy?
What toxic chemicals will we be exposing the environment and ground water to given all the newly produce batteries for electric cars and power storage for night usage?
and issue=an issue
Once again for the rather hard headed okie.
The Fairness doctrine does NOT silence speech in any way, shape or form.
Rage
Posted November 7, 2008 at 11:15 am | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bvqmY1eM-s
Nice
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This lady shouldn’t be teaching our children. She isn’t smart enough.
BJ you are so full of it. Of course it does. You just are too stupid to think it through to its conclusion.
Nitwit
BlueJay
Posted November 7, 2008 at 2:30 pm | Permalink
“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bvqmY1eM-s
Nice.
SO?
The teacher was engaging the kids in discussion. I didn’t hear her lie.
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How about when she told the girl whose father was in Iraq that if her candidate won her daddy would be in Iraq for 100 years. How about her Obama pin. How many kids did that intimidate?
Didn’t lie. You are really a nitwit. Everyday I say I will not allow your drivel to get under my skin but you are such a nitwit I just can’t help myself.
“ANTI” replicates a broken clock with –
“Not gonna happen without coal, gas, or nuclear.”
Nope.
But there are key issues to deal with to make it “happen.”
“Clean” coal is so far a profitable enterprise on the same level of Flying Cars, which they promised me in the March, 1967 edition of “Popular Mechanics.”
WHERE’S MY FLYING CAR?!?!?!?!
And, as it turns out, there has been a lot of research that may, in fact, lead to an understanding of how flying cars could operate in major metropolitan areas. We may know how to do it, but it might not result into a cost/effect paradigm.
“Clean” coal is closer to possible. But so far, any use of coal means mining tens of millions of years of carbon into the atmostphere after it’d been — by God’s plan, I’m sure — buried and disposed of.
Natural Gas is cleaner than coal, but I happened to grow up in a part of the world that enjoyed the world’s first natural gas BOOM!
In 1901, the current thought was that natural gas was a perpetual source of energy. And once you tapped that core of natural gas, all energy would be free and forever. The people of my town build beautiful Victorian mansions, they built an amusement park and streetcars and a six-story court house on the nation’s largest court house square that chimed out the time.
And, as a symbol of its status as capital of the New World Order, they set fire to a natural gas well to create a Pillar of Fire to attract everyone in the world to this, the new Promised Land.
Guess what happened to that pillar of fire. Guess what happened to that town.
There seem to be some perpetual energy sources available today to us passengers on Spaceship Earth.
Natural Gas is a short-term choice, but it should be part of the transitional mix.
And Nuclear.
First of all, I’d prefer the people in charge knew how to pronounce the word.
And I have a real problem with people who think the solution to dealing with nuclear waste revert to medieval strategies with s#it; bury it.
If it’s powerful enough to be dangerous (and it is), it’s got enough power to exploit in some way. It’s not yet profitable to explore ways to recycle the obvious energy that remains in even “spent” nuclear power plant fuel.
Seems to me there’s a probable technology we have have not yet discovered that might be an advance over burying dinosaurs and plants for oil and coal; that might be better for neighbors than simply burying your s#it.
So let’s do something to bury nuclear power plant waste in a well-defined, best-as-we-can-do-it process that justifies whatever technologies might be developed by your grandchildren.
So, yeah. That’s kind of in the mix.
As long as there’s a Moon, there’s gonna be tides.
As long as there’s weather, there’s gonna be wind.
As long as there’s a jungle, there’s gonna be trees and plants that suck up Carbon Dioxide from the atmosphere.
From “Drill, baby, drill” to the fake coal issue tried on the eve of the last election, the Republic Party could only respond to the hole we’re in with “More Shovels!!!”
Monkeyhawk,
Was there a point to that long winded post?
Anyone see the One’s first press conference?
Kia I did. Didn’t hear much of substance. Said the first help had to go to the middle class. That scared me because if we don’t do something for the corporate picture especially the auto makers we are looking at massive layoffs. Ford has already announced a 10% cut in salaries, building fewer cars, and layoffs.
He struck me as not seeing the total economic picture. Didn’t say anything about freezing capital gains taxes so people wouldn’t keep taking money out of the market. Market fell 160 after he talked.
I wasn’t impressed.
okob – UP 248 points. UP
Ben,
In the final hour trading, the Dow was up 57.51, or 0.66 percent, at 8,753.30 after being up more than 250 before Obama spoke.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D94AAFKG0&show_article=1
http://money.cnn.com/
At the close – UP 248.02
“Said the first help had to go to the middle class. That scared me because if we don’t do something for the corporate picture especially the auto makers we are looking at massive layoffs. Ford has already announced a 10% cut in salaries, building fewer cars, and layoffs.”
So, you want corporate welfare for Ford because they cannot sell their cars? If you help the middle class maybe WE can help Ford by buying one. IF, of course, they are willing to operate effectively in the free market and offer me what I want. They didn’t do that the last time I bought a car.
Okob… PLEASE show some kind of evidence for your continuing RANT about the Fairness Doctrine stopping Free Speech?? SHOW us a document/link that backs up your spewing??
And I mean a REAL document… not some blog crap, or other non-official web site on the subject… Do you think you could POSSIBLY handle that??
p. s. — FOR PURPOSES HERE, I WILL ACCEPT WIKIPEDIA
It’s kind of a circle-
Hopefully we can afford cars so the manufacturer doesn’t go out of business.
Hopefully the manufacturer doesn’t go out of business and people lose their jobs and then can’t afford a car.
“okobserver” observes –
“Didn’t hear much of substance. Said the first help had to go to the middle class. That scared me…
And if he’d laid out a specific course of action the CONs would accuse Obama of “assuming the presidency before inauguration.”
This is a period of transition and Obama’s answers pretty much focused on his thought- and decision-making process.
And then “okobserver” enlightens us with –
“… if we don’t do something for the corporate picture especilly the auto makers we are looking at massive layoffs.”
Ya’think?
Have you seen all the “massive layoffs” George WMD Bush (the current president) has left his successor with? It’s been in the news.
You expected a President-elect to come out in early November and bestow a solution to Shrub’s eight year Reign of Error?
“He struck me as not seeing the total economic picture. Didn’t say anything about freezing capital gains taxes so people wouldn’t keep taking money out of the market. Market fell 160 after he talked.”
And just who, and which party is in control of the United States of America from today ’til the 20th of January, 2009, “okobserver?”
If you have any problems with people not addressing the crisis du jour you have to look at the guy who’s sitting in the Oval Office today.
Just what “…of substance” have you heard from the guy who’s still the most powerful person on the planet?
Share your and his insight with me.
Details, please.
Chass for once back up your own dumb statements. Show me a document that says it won’t stop free speech. And I mean a real document not some of your spewing nothings. Don’t give me anymore of your off the top of your flat head statements.
Is that too much for you today? I can give you an extra day if you don’t post the answers until tomorrow. Please don’t post on anything else while you research this. I want the answers and documentation. Capeesch.
Read the news. Biden discussed help for the auto makers and workers. sheesh.
http://change.gov
Hit the Agenda Button…
Agreed ANTI – and keep in mind that Ford in only one of at least a half-dozen car makers in this country.
YO, SUNSHYINE… I POSTED THE ENTIRE THING ABOUT TWO DAYS AGO…
YOU MAKE THE FRIGGIN CLAIM… YOU BACK IT UP… YOU KNOW NOTHING OF DEBATE ETIQUETTE???
bth
Posted November 7, 2008 at 3:29 pm | Permalink
Agreed ANTI – and keep in mind that Ford in only one of at least a half-dozen car makers in this country.
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Yep, they are all doing poor.
Even Toyota is having a rough go.
okobserver,
In case you don’t know, Obama is President-elect, NOT President. Bush is still president, and is in control of the executive branch until Jan 20 next year.
And Obama is very aware of the problems in the auto industry
‘Obama: Transition to work on helping auto industry’
http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/base/business-18/1226089759110620.xml&storylist=michigannews
“Obama also wants the Bush administration to do everything it can to speed up the distribution of a $25 billion loan program to help automakers retool factories to build fuel-efficient vehicles.”
So far, Granny, all you have done is give me a nearly TEXTBOOK answer to be expected from one suffering from non-medicated bi-polar disorder… Caeeesh???
Ya know the Fairness Doctrine is not really an issue at play right now, and I recall when the Fairness Doctrine was in place. It never seemed to be free speech killer for the forty years or so it was in place.
The Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of it.
Must be another phony issue being kicked around by the extremewing.
OK, listen to NPR, it’s better for your brain.
That is correct ANTI – that is why Obama is correct that we need to help the middle class – so we can buy their products. AND – they need to produce what we want. As far as I am concerned the Detroit Three have failed to do so. That is why I don’t have one of their products.
Writing for the Court, Justice Byron White declared:
A license permits broadcasting, but the licensee has no constitutional right to be the one who holds the license or to monopolize a radio frequency to the exclusion of his fellow citizens. There is nothing in the First Amendment which prevents the Government from requiring a licensee to share his frequency with others…. It is the right of the viewers and listeners, not the right of the broadcasters, which is paramount.
Monkey your spew about nothing said exactly that. For the most important thing. Investors aren’t concerned about Bush raising their taxes. They want an assurance fromt the prez elect that he won’t raise taxes on cap gains first thing out of the box.
With the unrest in the market people aren’t spending money. He needed to reassure the citizens that he had plans to help stabilize the markets – the most visible indicator of the economy even if it doesn’t actually have much to do with it.
George Bush has proposed an aid package for the auto makers and our do nothing congress is sitting on their hands. That would be your party. Not much a lame duck prez can do with the conditions on the ground. Gig your congress to get off their behinds and pass some meaningfull legislation.
Enough details for you. Obama spoke. The US listened. I still say not much of any substance.
Ben, I also feel Detroit has done a horrible job at keeping competitive in style, reliability, and innovation. I would take a Japanese auto over a US auto most days. Detroit has basically ‘failed’ themselves out of a job.
from wikipeedee:
“President-elect Barack Obama’s campaign says that he “does not support reimposing the Fairness Doctrine on broadcasters,” but that he “considers this debate to be a distraction from the conversation we should be having about opening up the airwaves and modern communications to as many diverse viewpoints as possible,” adding, “That is why Sen. Obama supports media-ownership caps, network neutrality, public broadcasting, as well as increasing minority ownership of broadcasting and print outlets.”
So chill.
Judge for yourself. Here’s what the President elect said in his press conference today.
Transcript
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/07/obama.conference.transcript/index.html
DavidB says:
‘OK, listen to NPR, it’s better for your brain.’
‘It is the right of the viewers and listeners, not the right of the broadcasters, which is paramount.’
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Interesting David that you feel this way. I feel that NPR is very slanted in their coverage of events. Surveys taken of their productions show a real liberal slant. So it is ok with you if I listen to this. Thanks
Then you tell me that is the right of the viewers and listeners to decide what the message should be. I disagree violently with you on that one. Air is free. Airwaves and their messages aren’t. They are paid for by advertisers. These advertisers support the message they want too and put their own money behind that. If the left wants their message out then sell the advertisement that will put it out there. Don’t expect someone else to pay for your message.
Would you like us to be like Iran and say we will franchise these airwaves to you but you can only say on them what we tell you is ok? Be careful what you wish for.
I listened to it live, Linda but thanks for sharing.
Jesus wept. We are already getting partisan attacks “That would be your party. ”
“The president-elect said he and his advisers would try to find ways to help the struggling automobile industry…
“The auto industry is the backbone of American manufacturing and a critical part of our attempt to reduce our dependence on foreign oil,” he said. “I would like to see the Administration do everything they can to accelerate the retooling assistance that Congress has already enacted.”
That would be the guys still running the White House.
They’ve been there EIGHT years! LOL. But Obama ain’t fixed it yet??? BAD OBAMA WAHHAA!
“The Fairness Doctrine had two basic elements: It required broadcasters to devote some of their airtime to discussing controversial matters of public interest, and to air contrasting views regarding those matters. Stations were given wide latitude as to how to provide contrasting views: It could be done through news segments, public affairs shows or editorials.
Formally adopted as an FCC rule in 1949 and repealed in 1987 by Ronald Reagan’s pro-broadcaster FCC, the doctrine can be traced back to the early days of broadcast regulation.”
“It is the purpose of the First Amendment to preserve an uninhibited marketplace of ideas in which truth will ultimately prevail, rather than to countenance monopolization of that market, whether it be by the government itself or a private licensee. It is the right of the public to receive suitable access to social, political, esthetic, moral and other ideas and experiences which is crucial here. That right may not constitutionally be abridged either by Congress or by the FCC.”
— U.S. Supreme Court, Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. FCC, 1969.
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There are many misconceptions about the Fairness Doctrine. For instance, it did not require that each program be internally balanced, nor did it mandate equal time for opposing points of view. And it didn’t require that the balance of a station’s program lineup be anything like 50/50.
Nor, as Rush Limbaugh has repeatedly claimed, was the Fairness Doctrine all that stood between conservative talkshow hosts and the dominance they would attain after the doctrine’s repeal. In fact, not one Fairness Doctrine decision issued by the FCC had ever concerned itself with talkshows. Indeed, the talkshow format was born and flourished while the doctrine was in operation. Before the doctrine was repealed, right-wing hosts frequently dominated talkshow schedules, even in liberal cities, but none was ever muzzled (The Way Things Aren’t, Rendall et al., 1995). The Fairness Doctrine simply prohibited stations from broadcasting from a single perspective, day after day, without presenting opposing views.
In answer to charges, put forward in the Red Lion case, that the doctrine violated broadcasters’ First Amendment free speech rights because the government was exerting editorial control, Supreme Court Justice Byron White wrote: “There is no sanctuary in the First Amendment for unlimited private censorship operating in a medium not open to all.” In a Washington Post column (1/31/94), the Media Access Project (MAP), a telecommunications law firm that supports the Fairness Doctrine, addressed the First Amendment issue: “The Supreme Court unanimously found [the Fairness Doctrine] advances First Amendment values. It safeguards the public’s right to be informed on issues affecting our democracy, while also balancing broadcasters’ rights to the broadest possible editorial discretion.”
Indeed, when it was in place, citizen groups used the Fairness Doctrine as a tool to expand speech and debate. For instance, it prevented stations from allowing only one side to be heard on ballot measures. Over the years, it had been supported by grassroots groups across the political spectrum, including the ACLU, National Rifle Association and the right-wing Accuracy In Media.
Typically, when an individual or citizens group complained to a station about imbalance, the station would set aside time for an on-air response for the omitted perspective: “Reasonable opportunity for presentation of opposing points of view,” was the relevant phrase. If a station disagreed with the complaint, feeling that an adequate range of views had already been presented, the decision would be appealed to the FCC for a judgment.
Facts don’t seem to matter as much as preconceptions, DavidB.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080928/BUSINESS01/809280366&imw=Y
Congress passed 25 billion in retooling aid. It is up to the Administration in power to roll it out…
Bush is still prolly busy working on his list of Presidential Pardons…
“That is why Sen. Obama supports media-ownership caps, network neutrality, public broadcasting, as well as increasing minority ownership of broadcasting and print outlets.”
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David you actually posted this and said I should chill.
Obama says he will control the side of radio station ownership. Do you remember when all of the Baby Bells were spawned. I do. My phone bill when way up. Network neutrality = censorship. Public broadcasting = government sponsorship of the airwaves. More tax money so the left has a voice that advertisers won’t pay to put out. Minority ownership = how do we achieve this. Government ownership. Give minorities money to buy out those big bad media moguls.
Yep I feeling real warm and fuzzy right about now. Oh I’m supposed to be chilling. Well that answer did send a tingle up my leg.
heehee: It’s all the democrat party’s fault…
In 2003, the Bush administration proposed a mere 1.2 miles per gallon increase in light truck fuel economy CAFE standards over three years. [In 2006] , the administration unveiled fuel economy standards that by its own admission will only save two weeks worth of oil by 2011.
“The technology exists today to make all new vehicles average 40 miles per gallon within ten years. Taking this step would save the average driver over $5,000 over the lifetime of their vehicle, even after accounting for the added cost of the fuel-saving technology. At the same time, raising fuel economy standards would save 4 million barrels of oil per day – an amount equal to what America currently imports from the entire Persian Gulf and could ever get out of the Arctic Refuge, combined.
http://www.sierraclub.org/pressroom/releases/pr2006-05-01.asp
Like Obama said, “America has only one president at a time”, so you’ll just have to wait to start attacking.
Link to the above >>>>
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0212-03.htm
I am certain whomever you get your talking points from is correct.. with the global economy in a tailspin and unemployment at a 14 year high… the top Obama problem is friggin radio and TV stations….
lindainks55
Posted November 7, 2008 at 3:56 pm | Permalink
Facts don’t seem to matter as much as preconceptions, DavidB.
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How TRUE, Linda
Linda how do you and David propose that this be policed. Do we have a liberal on one day and a conservative on one day. What if we can’t do this. Do you shut the station down because no advertisers will sponsor the left or does the owner just absorb the cost of the broadcasting?
You all have this utopian idea of fairness without a thought in the world of how to implement it.
I would love to hear your plan. Help me out here.
“Schumer on the Fairness Doctrine: Treat Talk Radio Like Pornography :
RushLimbaugh.com”
Oh, that guy… who cares! LOL
I would love to hear your plan. Help me out here.
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Okobserver,
I’ve got a feeling the plan will involve ALL CAPS and a few of these: !!!, ???, sadfEPooj!!
Let me go on record to say I don’t expect Obama to cure all of the ills of the world today. I believe that he knew when he applied that he would have to hit the ground running. He said that himself. I agree with you that he is coming in at a very bad time in our countries history but it has to be a no excuse takeover.
And just for the record. Bush will be leaving. He didn’t do well for the economy but if you all start throwing that out as your excuse it won’t float. This isn’t a position for on the job training as Hillary said.
You know, when the Fairness Doctrine is on the table, I might be interested in discussing it, until then… phhffftt.
If interested >>>>
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Anti if nothing else Chas has quit with his dictatorial postings. Boy does that guy have a Napolianic complex!
The Fairness Doctrine is far down on any list I might make of priorities. I have no opinion, haven’t given it thought or consideration, probably won’t.
David I agree with you on that. We can solve the rest of the worlds problem first and then get back to this one.
okobserver
Posted November 7, 2008 at 4:07 pm | Permalink
Linda how do you and David propose that this be policed. Do we have a liberal on one day and a conservative on one day. What if we can’t do this. Do you shut the station down because no advertisers will sponsor the left or does the owner just absorb the cost of the broadcasting?
You all have this utopian idea of fairness without a thought in the world of how to implement it.
I would love to hear your plan. Help me out here.
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That has got to be one of the biggest piles of gobble-dee-gook I have seen in quite a while… You invent a situation that has NEVER yet existed… You then proceed to knock it down, with NOTHING constitutional to stand on… and then you want a PLAN???
Did you forget one of your meds??? Or what??
Since you cant attack the MESSAGE that was provided as per your demand, you now attack the MESSENGER???
Look, Granny…. nobody here wrote this stuff… Why dont you read the reports that are posted here… And maybe check out the SCOTUS decisions… Maybe argue with THEM… instead of just calling people names, and tossing around your very unique personal brand of inuendo…???
The Fairness Doctrine, NEVER DID require EQUAL TIME…. NEVER!!!
WHY do you keep spewing the exact opposite??? WHY must you keep attempting to delude yourself into thinking otherwise??
You simply make NO SENSE when you do this… whether on Fairness Doctrine, or anything else you try it with….
If you want discussion, fine… If you just want to Flame, and Troll… take it some place else!! Please??
Damn, I am good!
BTW, one other error in your grand scheme of things that havent happened >>>>
The Fairness Doctrine has NOTHING to do with Advertisers…. It has EVERYthing to do with Licensed Broadcasters (who are not advertisers)
What did you want from the President-Elect on November 7?
“I hereby declare all people stop on Green and go on Red!!!?
Or,
EVERYONE MUST LEARN THE TANGO!
Ooops.
That’s My declaration as your new Grand Commissar of the People’s Republic of WE Blog.
(I’ve been waiting outside my garage and you people are not showing up for your Mao suits.)
{We know who you are.)
(Be afraid. Be very afraid.)
We have people who might shoot your dog.
(And you don’t know where our cars are!)
Ha!
Yours truly,
YOUR GRAND COMMISSAR OF THE PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC OF WEB LOG!
(please give me your preferred delivery address for your mandated goat… at work or home?)
Yep AUNTIE you are good and STUPID!! LOL
Oh Grand Commissar… I would love to have a Goat… My lawnmower has been ill for some time now… a Goat would be so much better…. Thank you… Thank you!!
ALL CAPS- check
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Pure Kookery- check and gold star.
This is another phony issue being flogged by the ExtremeWing…
Media Matters has documented the way the right wing echo chambers fanned the flames of falsehoods that soiled this entire election cycle.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200811060005?f=h_top
Re: AUNTIE
99.44% Pure TROLL
DNFTT
Media Matters?
Are you serious?
Oh ‘Scuse me —
My typo… That would be ANTI
Re: Chas
100.01% Dumb ass
DNFTDA
Incoming Type attack in 3… 2… 1….
Hey Chas, how is SquarePeg doing these days?
‘The Fairness Doctrine simply prohibited stations from broadcasting from a single perspective, day after day, without presenting opposing views.’
Chass, Chass, Chass why do you open yourself up to ridicule when you could just shut your mouth and appear to have some intelligence.
‘The Fairness Doctrine has NOTHING to do with Advertisers…. It has EVERYthing to do with Licensed Broadcasters (who are not advertisers)’
Licensed Broadcasters pay real money for the right to broadcast over public airways. They are granted a franchise to do this. In order to re-coup their investment and make some return on it they get programming that appeals to enough people that they can take the Arbitron ratings of listeners to would be advertisers and sell some said advertising. If no one listens – advertisers don’t buy – think Air America. This is a business plan with investors money involved.
Study this and then take an economics class so the next time I won’t have to embarrass you like this.
Anti I think you might be onto something here. Square Peg after all is a much traveled multi millionaire. Chass needs to pull out that personality to explain the concept of free enterprise to him.
“You’ve got magic legs, Lutenit Dan!”
and now you can too!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,448767,00.html
LOL, Yes, Media Matters. Has someone mentioned it to you before? I wonder who!
Yes, http://mediamatters.org/items/200811060005?f=h_top
It won’t bite.
The list and the quotes are amazing! I can imagine how one’s brain gets rewired if exposed to that kind of awful trash on a daily basis….
“They are granted a franchise to do this.”
NO… in fact they are NOT…
“Licensed Broadcasters pay real money for the right to broadcast over public airways.”
NO… it is not a Right…. They DO pay a License Fee… that is required to be renewed at regular intervals… The Public can, if they choose, petition for non-renewal.
“…they get programming that appeals to enough people that they can take the Arbitron ratings of listeners to would be advertisers and sell some said advertising. If no one listens – advertisers don’t buy – think Air America. This is a business plan with investors money involved.”
TRUE — And that is the BUSINESS end of that issue….
The FAIRNESS DOCTRINE had nothing to do with the Business end of Broadcasting…
Can you not READ, woman???
The FAIRNESS DOCTRINE NEVER REQUIRED EQUAL TIME… it only required SOME time, for rebuttal of issues…. NOT hour for hour… just SOME time…
PLEASE READ so I dont have to show you to be too shallow to READ again…. How do you keep from being embarrassed to post such CRAP???
It’s all in above posts, and links…. Yet, YOU keep attacking ME…. Why dont you go attack the SCOTUS if you dont like it… Surely you wouldnt be afraid to tell the SCOTUS what you think, would you??
Good Grief!!!
RE: okobserver —-
97% pure TROLL!!!
Do try to stay with the REAL ISSUE!!
REMEMBER: The Fairness Doctrine only required SOME time for rebuttal of issues… AND IT WASNT DONE WITH ADVERTISEMENTS!!! AND IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH AIRING A PAYING PROGRAM EITHER!!
PLEASE READ CAREFULLY FROM NOW ON!!
On the subject of robots.. Damn ain’t those Japanese good?
Japan’s Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry announced Tuesday that it will launch a project to nurture and develop the robotics industry within Japan. The government asserts that robotics will become a significant part of the manufacturing industry in the future and hopes that the project, called “Robot Challenge in the 21st Century,” will help to make the country a leader in the sector.
Cars?: “The Japanese Government has adopted a comprehensive strategy including R&D, demonstration programmes and market support guided by long-term strategic plans.”
President-Elect Obama intends to create a post known as Chief Technology Officer. Good idea!
Here’s what Obama’s team has in mind: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/technology/
LOL!! Don’t play into the phony flogging of the issue… these guys are irrelevant for a couple of years… and so are their phony wedge issues….
“The Fairness Doctrine had two basic elements: It required broadcasters to devote some of their airtime to discussing controversial matters of public interest, and to air contrasting views regarding those matters. Stations were given wide latitude as to how to provide contrasting views: It could be done through news segments, public affairs shows or editorials.”
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0212-03.htm
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This is about as CLEAR as it gets, okob… I think you need to stop flaming now…
More Jap techno…A perfect bowl for you people looking for an effective diet…
Japanese Scientists Create World’s Smallest Ramen Bowl
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,360202,00.html?sPage=fnc/scitech/innovation
Re: Chas
DFTDA
Yep, yep yep… When they run out of FACTS, they resort to stupid, pitiful personal attacks!!
ANTI — TROLL
DNFTT
Chas Bob Square Peg, you silly goose.
Media Matters is a George Soros funded branch of the Democrat party.
But its half truths and misrepresentations and yes, lies were effective.
I suppose there needs to be something like that on the right to monitor and collect stuff like Chris Matthews’ admission that his job as a journalist is to help the Obama presidency succeed. Or to capture when Olbermann’s stupidity is on high etc… Or to make crap up like MM does.
On another note, is TV in this fairness doctrine discussion? If not, why not?
Actually, the whole idea is stupid and archaic these days. The public doesn’t depend on the radio waves for information. It is likely to get overturned by a court if reimplemented.
Here is some change for you (change meaning more of the same).
“Byrd, 90, has become increasingly frail in recent years, and the move didn’t come as a surprise.
The West Virginia Democrat is a Senate icon and a legend in his own state, where he’s single-handedly responsible for directing home huge sums of federal largess for roads, universities, and economic development projects.
Byrd will be replaced by Hawaii Democrat Daniel Inouye, 84, who’s served in the Senate since 1963, and also has a reputation for shipping federal dollars back to his state.”
Are you all really too young or just too uninvolved to know anything about the old Fairness Doctrine? It was in in effect for 40 years. Yes, it applied to TV. There was no “policing,’ as such.
It was self-governed by the broadcasters themselves, in the spirit of.. well.. fairness. I personally had spots rejected by KAKE in the late 60s.
Fairness and balance in using the publicly-owned airwaves is an old fashioned concept, based on … well … fairness.. another trampled American ideal.
Media Matters would never take on liberal icons, would they?
“NY Times latest outlet to repeat McCain campaign misinformation about impact of Obama’s tax plan on small businesses
Summary: The New York Times quoted McCain spokesman Jeff Sadosky saying: “Barack Obama’s plans to raise taxes on small businesses and his attacks on Midwestern family farmers have turned off rural voters.” But the Times did not point out that less than 2 percent of taxpayers declaring small business income would see a tax increase in 2009 under Obama’s plan, according to estimates by the Tax Policy Center.”
“Common Dreams NewsCenter, often referred to simply as Common Dreams, is a popular U.S. based news website with a progressive perspective”
Way to go chas. How do you people find these Lib sites?
Chris Matthews wants America’s next president succeed! How awful!
Is there anyone who WANTS him to fail? Anyone who wants to “help him fail?” Do YOU want another failed American presidency?
Hey, I am not happy that Bush’s eight years were a failure – we are all suffering for it.
But all the king’s horses and all the king’ s men… Limbaugh, Savage, Hannity, Drudge, NY Post, et. al. could not help fix the results of faulty thinking . . .
chass you really should be embarrassed to show your face in public but I guess in your case ignorance is a blessing. You don’t know how really dumb you sound.
Don’t let me enlighten you. Dream on.
“Is there anyone who WANTS him to fail? Anyone who wants to “help him fail?” Do YOU want another failed American presidency?”
YES. The BushBot Republics.
Hey, RepubliCONs–
If you don’t like who the majority picked for President, you are welcome to leave.
Don’t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.
(Karma. I love that woman.)
“The Fairness Doctrine had two basic elements: It required broadcasters to devote some of their airtime to discussing controversial matters of public interest, and to air contrasting views regarding those matters. Stations were given wide latitude as to how to provide contrasting views: It could be done through news segments, public affairs shows or editorials.”
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0212-03.htm
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This is about as CLEAR as it gets, okob… I think you need to stop flaming now…
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BTW, I didnt write that… neither did CommonDreams… But thats ok… You guys just go arm flailing every time you have nothing to answer with, when you get BEAT UP in any argument… And then you break out the personal epithets, and assorted versions of ad hominems… Must really SUCK to walk in your shoes….
Like when O’Reilly said “I don’t make personal attacks.” who else could go back and document the scores of personal attacks he has made?
http://mediamatters.org/items/200602270001
“O’Reilly has equated Media Matters with the Ku Klux Klan, Cuban dictator Fidel Castro, and the Nazi propagandist Josef Goebbels. He also referred to Media Matters as “the most vile, despicable human beings in the country.”
heehee right… that’s pretty personal!
Regular is losing his vision, you say?
That’s what my Sunday School teacher told me would happen, but I never believed him . . . until now.
Makes sense, doesn’t it.
He should have just done it until he had to wear glasses . . .
So how are the Obamanites this evening?
Relishing in your fairyland?
By the way Libs,
33% of the eligible voters in this country didn’t vote.
31% of the eligible voters voted for McCain/Palin.
I would not consider it true that the majority of Americans voted for Obama/Biden.
Lieberman to lose chairmanship of Committees.
http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=2389
Pinheads the bunch of ya!
American?? Too many beers after work or what??
If they dont VOTE… They dont get included in the VOTING statistics… What is there that you are missing???
Interesting post, American.
Let’s see . . . how many Americans voted for Bush in 2000?
Now I remember — 600,000 FEWER THAN VOTED FOR AL GORE.
The hypocrisy of listening to a CON parse numbers when Obama got more votes than Bush ever did and won way more states than Bush ever did . . . it’s almost physically crippling.
Leiberman welcomed in the Republican Caucus.
American – a majority of Americans who are aware of where they are voted for Obama.
Obama won the election. Like it or lump it.
Since this is your story.. I DARE you to cite and reference the same statistics for the two Bush-won elections…
Please, find the last election where over 50% of “eligible voters” voted for a candidate, or whatever new standard you are inventing to try and dismiss the winner.
Oh, and btw, AmeriCON.
Feel free to run off to some place that shares your values . . . like sunny Saudi Arabia where a THEOCRACY is already in place and women can’t drive . . .
You just can’t over the fact that Obama didn’t obtain a majority of the American’s votes, can you Capn?
The RepubliCON caucus . . . yeah, what’s left of it, hehehehe.
How many of your “non” voters have Alzheimers?
How many of your “non” voters are mentally incapacitated?
How many of your “non” voters are out on probation, an thus not eligible to vote?? (in their State)
How many of your “non” voters are comatose in hospitals, dying from any number of various diseases??
Looks like you are biting into some Talk Radio hosts stupid math…. You better stay with the REAL statistics…
Obama WON…. by a pretty decent spread…
LOTS of Electoral Votes….
At least he got a plurality … that is better than your boy Bush did in 2000.
When was the last time that a president ever got a majority of eligible voters votes, American?
Feel free to waste time looking it up.
I guessing maybe FDR.
As for me, out to dinner in a fine restaurant.
Waiter, we’ll be having champagne!
Irrelevant statistics PLUS added-value personal insults!
Thank you, on behalf of of all us Pinheads…
I think it is shocking that 50% of school children’s grades are below average.
American, of those who VOTED, list the % for Obama, and the % for McCain….
Now…. Grab hold of your brain…. THOSE are the only voters that matter!!
Got it??
She won’t back up her statistics, she will just keep repeating it endlessly.
Test… Test…
DavidB — Yep… most likely…
Funny how all those “different” bloggers are gone now…
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Monkeyhawk
Posted November 7, 2008 at 4:22 pm | Permalink
(please give me your preferred delivery address for your mandated goat… at work or home?)
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Why do I have to have a man dated goat. Can’t I have one that ain’t dated anybody?
chass please don’t bother me anymore with your nonsense. You are just so dense that common sense is lost on you. Every broadcast minute has a value. If an advertiser doesn’t pay for it then it comes out of the pocket of the franchiser. Hence the franchiser PAYS for the fairness. Private business. Private money. Government directive. ILLEGAL in a capitalistic society. Now go find square peg and let him explain it to you.
Ben this is one republican that for sure doesn’t want Obama to fail. I have watched you all rake Bush over the coals for eight years. Never give him any credit no matter what he did and I swore that I wouldn’t do that. I will point out what Obama does that I disagree with and I will also give him kudos when he gets it right.
Sounds like ol Buffet might know a little something about the derivative situation:
Berkshire also had $1.26 billion of pre-tax losses from derivatives contracts. The bulk of this related to previously disclosed contracts tied to the long-term performance of the Standard & Poor’s 500 (.SPX) and three foreign stock indexes and to the credit quality of high-yield bonds.
Accounting rules require Berkshire to regularly report unrealized gains and losses on the contracts.
But Berkshire can invest the cash it got up front to enter the contracts. It would also pay on the stock index contracts only if various indexes are lower between the 2019 and 2027 than when the contracts were created.
Buffett entered the contracts, although he has called derivatives “financial weapons of mass destruction.”
How could anyone get a majority of votes when all those registered Mickey MOuses didn’t show up to vote?
outlander posted November 7, 2008 at 5:01 pm
I suppose there needs to be something like that on the right to monitor and collect stuff like Chris Matthews’ admission that his job as a journalist is to help the Obama presidency succeed.
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And document Chris Matthews’ multiple, repeated lying about Al Gore during the 2000 campaign, that probably helped cause Gore’s defeat(sic).
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh062608.shtml
MATTHEWS: Well, there’s Al Gore. What is it, the Zelig guy who keeps saying, “I was the main character in Love Story, I invented the Internet, I invented Love Canal?”
“How could anyone get a majority of votes when all those registered Mickey MOuses didn’t show up to vote?”
Ask Chas.
“The Fairness Doctrine had two basic elements: It required broadcasters to devote some of their airtime to discussing controversial matters of public interest, and to air contrasting views regarding those matters. Stations were given wide latitude as to how to provide contrasting views: It could be done through news segments, public affairs shows or editorials.”
Cite: In the Matter of THE HANDLING OF PUBLIC ISSUES UNDER THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE AND THE PUBLIC INTEREST STANDARDS OF THE COMMUNICATIONS ACT, 48 F.C.C.2d 1 (F.C.C. 1974)
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“It did not require equal time for opposing views, but required that contrasting viewpoints be presented. The Fairness Doctrine had two basic elements: It required broadcasters to devote some of their airtime to discussing controversial matters of public interest, and to air contrasting views regarding those matters. Stations were given wide latitude as to how to provide contrasting views: It could be done through news segments, public affairs shows or editorials.”
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine#Decisions_of_the_United_States_Supreme_Court
okob – I have not raked Bush over the coals for 8 years. Even after the FL debacle (which I blame also on Gore and Nader) I was willing to let the moderate governor from Texas be a uniter not a divider. The coal raking came later.
Granny — Git your butt on the right page, and maybe you will quit your bitchin, and belly-achin… You are talking about something NOWHERE in the same REALM as the Fairness Doctrine….
Have you ever heard of PSAs??? Have you ever heard a radio station broadcast something in the “public interest” — like a storm warning?? Storm warnings are a form of government mandate… NObody pays for storm warnings… It is part of the broadcast industry… I believe it is YOU who should do some financial brain work on this item…. You will find that the Fairness Doctrine NEVER threatened the broadcast of any Radio Station… not EVER!!
Prove me wrong, if you are so damned sure of yourself!!
Publicly owned airwaves, but I will not call you rude names…
She has no idea of how it worked.. but she’s been told she’s against it.
Typical. She has received her talking point, all pre chewed..
“Prove me wrong, if you are so damned sure of yourself!!”
Ok, Please do not prove him wrong. It is so much fun to watch his actions.
RE: Votes in Tuesday’s Election:
Obama got somewhere around 52% of the VOTE…
McCain got somewhere around 46% of the VOTE…
OTHERS got somewhere around 2% of the VOTE…
Now, somebody explain to me how Obama didnt get the MAJORITY of the Vote with 52%…
Yet, none of you folks ever said Bush didnt get a majority, with his 51%???
Give me a friggin break here….
And those folks who DIDNT VOTE??? Well, their NON vote doesnt get counted, in anything other that statistical reports, and perhaps as some sort of figure in the Demographic studies to be used in the next election….
NON voters simply do not figure in the outcome of the VOTE… how simple can it get???
Interesting changes re how states voted.
‘Toward a Blue America, progress report 2008 ‘
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/6/125349/965/206/655777
“How did Obama perform compared to 2004? Let’s look at Obama’s margin gains:”
Obama: 52.5%
McCain: 46.2%
A 6.3% difference.
They are still in shock and awe……
Chass so now you want the radio station to use their PSAs which are normally used to push community events and charitable causes to present the liberal political viewpoint.
Yep square peg that is Chass logic.
I did hear that the Dallas Cowboys showed up to vote in Missouri and Nevada and they weren’t allowed to vote. They were going to vote for McCain I heard. Voter intimidation – I think so.
Joe the Plumber was a welfare recipient?????? WAHHHAAAa Poor guy….
keep flogging it, keep beating the horse…
So how about using the “F” word on the public airwaves? Free speech or government censorship?
Fox is still Flogging Rev Wright…
The Fairness doctrine should be high priority.
We have SO many otherwise good people seduced into voting wrongly by the lies of the right. Everytime a truck driver or a plumber calls in thinking they should have ANYTHING in common with fat ass Rush or Hannity, I die a little inside. For 20 years they’ve spread their lies. THAT is why we even have a moron like Joe the Plumber.
It’s comin’ back baby.
100% of Americans under 18 years of age did not vote for Obama
“America we have a Muslim President. This is sin against the Lord!”
That is STILL up on the marquee in front of Spirit one church. WHERE is the Eagle to report this violation and inflammatory lie?
“100% of Americans under 18 years of age did not vote for Obama”
How do you know this?
Churches are allowed to lie. It is First Amendment Protected Speech. But the public may speak out. I will run out and photograph it tonight.
Prayer Hotline: 303-0095 extension 10 between the hours of 9 a.m.- 4 p.m. Monday through Thursday with your prayer need.
Call Spirit One and Pray they take the sign down.
This forum knows, I am no great supporter of Senator now President elect Obama.
But this sign? It’s just wrong. It’s the sort of thing that causes hatred and violence. It’s message is not REMOTELY true and serves only negative purpose. TOO, it reflects badly on other churches that DO follow the rules of their tax exempt status. My own brother, an Obama supporter was ready to go down there and raise….well, hell.
Other signs I saw today on churches?
“Ch dh What is missing?
UR”
Clever!
“Sign broken, message inside”
“Free meal on Thanksgiving.”
THIS is just the latest and most blatant instance from Spirit One. IF they are not stopped, they will only get worse.
God already destroyed their bell tower with a bolt of righteous electricity from the sky but they refuse to repent!!!!
The fact is that most of the church goers at Spirit Uno know that this is a lie. It will only help destroy this congregation. Go for it, Holick!! Go for it.
I think we should organize a protest during Spirit One’s church services. To not speak up against evil and injustice is to agree with it.
Anyone interested?
LOL!
Must See:
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/?last_story=/politics/war_room/2008/11/07/nwo/
“Get Your War On” fame. It satirizes all the fearmongering about Barack Obama that was going on during the campaign.
I’m calling “pastor Mike” and leaving him a message everyday until he takes the sign down…today he got a lesson on The Prayer of St Francis…”where there is hatred, let me sow love” and a reminder that he’s breaking the 8th commandment.
Dave…loved the video!
BlueJay: Sorry dude, but even if the fairness doctrine were enacted, they won’t get the main men of talk radio shut down. They are untouchable. They create way too much revenue.
The stations will just put on some lib idiot that no one listens to on at 2:00am.
And your apparently desired ban on political free speech is rather un-American, isn’t it?
LOL.. banning political speech?? Where the F*K does that come from! LOL!
“The sky is falling! The sky is falling!!”
Here is the direct link… pass it on:
http://www.236.com/video/2008/get_your_war_on_new_world_orde_10121.php
It’s Ok DavidB — Grnny got hannitized immediately following her Limbotomy… Next, she will be duly Savaged!! LOL
Granny, since I KNOW I am right on this one, I really dont give a hoot what you think… One of these days, you might learn the truth, and hopefully it will set you free! I really do hope for that!!
So, some church has a sign out saying that Obama is a Muslim. Obama says he isn’t. You and I believe him. They don’t. So they keep their sign up.
Libs everywhere had their mantra; Bush lied, people died. Bush plausibly denied he knew that there were no WMDs. You didn’t believe him. So you kept posting it.
You say that the pastor is spreading hate. Yet you did the same thing to Bush. You guys are in the same boat as the pastor of that church. Both of you were wrong.
This will get your juices flowing for a Free and Equal America >>>>
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/obamas-name-banned-mississippi-school-children-after-election
Some differences outlander. There is lots of evidence Obama is a Christian and was born in Hawaii. There is no such evidence that he is Muslim or born elsewhere. In the case of the WMDs it is clear that they were not there. So, Bush’s defense is that he is ignorant. So, the choice there is (a) he is lying or (b) he is clueless.
Outbrainer….
I have NEVER seen a Church sign that did anything LIKE that to Pres. Bush… Do you have anything to back up your silly statement?? Or is it just more post-election depression???
Ya know, if you all flame too long, you will get all burnt out… Then what good will you be to any cause that hasnt happened yet??
And, I am serious about the burn-out issue…
Isn’t Spirit One related to that church compound in Texas where they ‘do’ little girls on a bed on their alter? At least that is what I hear. Maye someone should ask them about that!
“You say that the pastor is spreading hate. Yet you did the same thing to Bush. You guys are in the same boat as the pastor of that church. Both of you were wrong.”
I don’t see how you can make that analogy…this church is violating the separation of church and state by politicizing from the pulpit and they should lose their tax exemption for it.
And expressing a political opinion is not the same as a church spreading lies and propaganda to tear someone down.
Chas
Posted November 7, 2008 at 8:43 pm | Permalink
Outbrainer….
I have NEVER seen a Church sign that did anything LIKE that to Pres. Bush
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You are a true moron Chas.
Come on guys…lets put together a protest!
Well Out, have You ever seen a church sign that did that to Bush? Why don’t you discuss it rationally instead of throwing insults?
Oh, I know… I know…. Outlander is a member of the Church of Ad Hominem and LIES…
As for a church that does little girls on a bed on their altar, that sounds more like that Mormon fundamentalist sect… however such was never proven….
Then there is the Tony Alamo situation in Arkansas… that seems to come close to such things…. but again, no firm reports yet… just “strong” rumors…
I’m with you Mary!!
However, Mary, and others… As much as that Church sign makes me want to puke… I am NOT sure that the sign violates any tax status of the Church… The election is over… And I dont think that the sign violates the separation clause… Might want to check with Vaughn on that one…
But, I WOULD like to see a protest of them, on general principle, if no other reason.
The closest I have seen in the past:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Wanted_for_treason.jpg
Many “Christian” churches in the Deep South were into that sort of thing.
I think we could make some great signs and just stand outside the church on the sidewalk during the Sunday morning services. I’ll bring coffee and donuts!
Ben is that you??
Yep.
As for the rumor about Spirit One – maybe I just got bad Intel. Who knows?
Ummmm…. we might be better off across the street… if you know what I mean….
Not this Sunday, but next if the sign is still up…that would give us time to make our signs and plan a strategy.
Thanks Ben… your URL wasnt showing… so I just wondered…
It could be fun!!!
Sunds like a plan Mary… Keep in touch with me, ok??
cosmos: The way the political pros think, it is a 3.5% difference for victory. If 3.5% could be persuaded to change their vote, then McCain wins, ie., take away 3.5% from Obama and add it to McCain. In reality therefore, it really was closer than appearances. I know my math is out a bit…
Yes…we need to get people interested…I know I have several friends who would join us.
One of the morning talk shows on KFH doesnt like to use Obama’s name… They prefer to call him Barry something…. Sorteuro?? Geez!!
Chas – yea, that is another one of the rightie extremists’ lines. They used that during the campaign too.
If they specifically endorse on candidate over another, they are a PAC and not a church.
What they are doing is protected speech.
A lie, but lies are protected, as we have seen a thousand time in the past few months…
The lying pastor DOES need a good spanking, though.
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Mary_Caruso
Posted November 7, 2008 at 8:51 pm | Permalink
Well Out, have You ever seen a church sign that did that to Bush? Why don’t you discuss it rationally instead of throwing insults?
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Because Mary, in case you didn’t notice, Chas tried to change the conversation to something irrelevant to my point. And he knew it. And having dealt with him before I know he just wants arguments in which he can twist irrelevant details. Oh, and use CAPS. I don’t play those games.
That about right Chas?
But Bush lied.. that’s the difference….
Barak Obama was raised by Kansas women. If you don’t trust him, you don’t love your mother. whaahahahah!!!!!
The WANTED poster defaming John Kennedy was circulated in Dallas in the months before the killing of the president.
Hate and lies have consequences . . .
A (mostly) great column by Roger Ebert.
‘This land was made for you and me‘
http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2008/11/but_im_waiting_for_that_mornin.html
‘Behind The Scenes: Newsweek On McCain In The Dark, Obama Threats, And More’
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/obama-we-cant-solve-globa_n_141358.html
“– The Obama campaign was provided with reports from the Secret Service showing a sharp and very disturbing increase in threats to Obama in September and early October, at the same time that the crowds at Palin rallies became more frenzied. Michelle Obama was shaken by the vituperative crowds and the hot rhetoric from the GOP candidates.
“Why would they try to make people hate us?” Michelle Obama said to a top campaign aide.” “
What did I say irrelevant to your point, Outie?? You must be drinkin the funny kool aide again…. I fired right back at you as to the Church sign….
Anybody notice when Grnny gets beat, she slams back with ad hominems…. and then runs off like a snake in the grass??
“The lying pastor DOES need a good spanking, though.”
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I don’t think I can condone you doing that to Chas, David.
outlander —- THIS is what YOU said, about Libs and Bush… SEE?? YOur words!!!
outlander
Posted November 7, 2008 at 8:40 pm | Permalink
So, some church has a sign out saying that Obama is a Muslim. Obama says he isn’t. You and I believe him. They don’t. So they keep their sign up.
Libs everywhere had their mantra; Bush lied, people died. Bush plausibly denied he knew that there were no WMDs. You didn’t believe him. So you kept posting it.
You say that the pastor is spreading hate. Yet you did the same thing to Bush. You guys are in the same boat as the pastor of that church. Both of you were wrong.
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THIS IS WHAT I RESPONDED >>>>
Chas
Posted November 7, 2008 at 8:43 pm | Permalink
Outbrainer….
I have NEVER seen a Church sign that did anything LIKE that to Pres. Bush… Do you have anything to back up your silly statement?? Or is it just more post-election depression???
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NOW you come back with a friggin LIE >>>>
outlander
Posted November 7, 2008 at 9:18 pm | Permalink
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Mary_Caruso
Posted November 7, 2008 at 8:51 pm | Permalink
Well Out, have You ever seen a church sign that did that to Bush? Why don’t you discuss it rationally instead of throwing insults?
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Because Mary, in case you didn’t notice, Chas tried to change the conversation to something irrelevant to my point. And he knew it. And having dealt with him before I know he just wants arguments in which he can twist irrelevant details. Oh, and use CAPS. I don’t play those games.
That about right Chas?
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UMMM —- THAT WOULD BE ABOUT TOTALLY WRONG, THERE, OUTLANDER…. WANNA TRY AGAIN??
GOTCHA!!
OUTLANDER… YOU are the only one lying here at the moment… Look at the posts!!
Ummm… No you didn’t. But nice recap Chas.
I suggest you go see if Dave still wants to give you that spanking now.
What in the HELL are you bitching about Outlander… What didnt I do, in your feeble assed brain???
Outlander obviously cant read… DavidB was referring to the lying pastor at spirit Uno… LOL IDIOT!!
Outlander…. suppose you SHOW where I changed the subject as to the signs???
Want to try that??? I will wait… for a little bit…
Chas: Can’t you see that I’m trying to to give you credit for being crafty? If you aren’t being “crafty” in our exchanges here, the alternative is that you are just plain dumb.
Take the “crafty” Chas.
Well, at least you know how to admit when you are beat (well, almost) LOL
I’m game Mary.
But let’s do it THIS Sunday.
Outlander? You haven’t figured it out yet have you?
YOU and yours lost. Talk radio will be fair now. Rush will speak and be rebutted in the same time slot.
Hannity is already used to this.
good night; good luck; god bless —-
whatever you conceive god to be!!
blessings ALL
blessings on Obama and his new administration!!
so mote it be!!
Jay, there is no time to rebut Rush’s 3 hours of daily lies. All they would have to do is provide “some” time… at their discretion… IF a Fairness Doctrine would be re-introduced… provided the SCOTUS wouldnt rule against it.
Obama isnt even sure he would support it… So, lets not get excited about what hasnt happened yet… ok??
In your dreamd BlueJay, in your dreams.
I’m not in with this bipartisan stuff.
Except as using it as strategy.
The cons are now rightfully irrelevant. What is needed is to let them know that they can ask for this or that crumb as long as they play ball on everything else. Failing that? NO voice for them and their constituency.
this is a phony wedge issue
Chas,
Please excuse me for pointing out the obvious, but outlander, okobserver, Nathaniel, et al NEVER have effectively defended the opinions that they post here.
And you should not expect them to do so only a few days after Barack Hussein Obama became President-elect of the United States of America. They are stil in emotional, mental, and possibly physical shock.
Now is as good a time as any to start.
Outlander?
President Obama will appoint as many as 3 to 5 Supreme Court justices.
THIS means that a woman’s right to choose is guaranteed for the rest of your life and mine.
You and yours have wasted more than 20 years trying to use laws to do what a village should do.
I call upon you to be a leader in abandoning efforts to ban abortion and work instead to advance social and economic welfare to HELP women choose what you would use law to force on them.
Shock and Awe
A little help for you and yours Outlander?
The soft heart liberal in me ALWAYS has me looking to help.
You and yours are on the fringe, on the run, OUT of power.
You have to strip down your expectations. Go bare bones and do with what you have what you can.
Like your side has forced on mine these last many years?
Thanks Cosmos — I will keep that in mind…
OMG!!!
“He should have just done it until he had to wear glasses . . .”
ROFLMQAO!!!!!!!!!!
I miss Father Guido. What this country needs is a return of the Sarducci!
cosmos_originally
Posted November 7, 2008 at 10:40 pm | Permalink
Chas,
Please excuse me for pointing out the obvious, but outlander, okobserver, Nathaniel, et al NEVER have effectively defended the opinions that they post here.
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I understand Cosmos, your pain at getting your rear kicked again and again. As a reformed conservative, I just want you to know that I am there for you man.
So tell me again why the CO2 is increasing and the world is cooling? Oh, and why this cooling period is a global warming emergency? And how you know that it isn’t going to continue to cool?
Thanks Cos.
outlander posted November 8, 2008 at 9:03 am
So tell me again why the CO2 is increasing and the world is cooling?
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The Earth is not cooling.
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/08/31/garbage-is-forever/
“DavidB
Posted November 7, 2008 at 9:29 pm | Permalink
Barak Obama was raised by Kansas women. If you don’t trust him, you don’t love your mother. whaahahahah!!!!!”
Actually, his grandparents raised him.
But Eldorado, where his grandmother was from, voted overwhelmingly for McCain.
So much for the Kansas influence.
Ol Barry Soetero, of Kenyan father Obama and Step father Soetero of Kenya, both muslims, AND he attended Muslim school as a child in Kenya, before he “became” a Christian.
He is mostly white, next Arab and then black.
Methane credits anyone?
He attended a public school in Indonesia in which the majority of other students were Muslim.
It wasn’t a “Muslim school” anymore than Hyde Elementary is a “Christian school.”
But American never lets facts get in the way of his conclusions. That’s why he’s a true CON.
Gee, it’s a good thing that Obama didn’t go to school in India, otherwise he’d be Hindu.
Or in Israel, then he’d be Jewish.
Hey, American–
I drove by “Spirit One” Church on Harry today.
Their sign read, “America has elected a MUSLIM president, which is abomination in the sight of the Lord!”
I was thinking that these are your kind of people.
You could worship there and you wouldn’t even have to change out of your KKK robes . . .
Good point, cosmos.
Another major hurricane is ripping through the Gulf and it’s almost Thanksgiving.
Yeah, that’s perfectly normal.
NOT.
“He is mostly white, next Arab and then black.”
This could be true if black Africans from Kenya have more Arab blood than African.
Which they don’t.
By the way, some black Africans on Kenya’s coast have been proven to have DNA characteristic of middle-eastern Jews.
Obama may be part Jewish as well . . .
Oh but you didn’t mention the pending hurricane will be Goerge W. Bush’s fault, like Katrina was.
Hey Capn,
It’s been proven the bananas have DNA characteristics like that of who………..
CapnAmerica!!!!!!!!!!!
But does that make you a banana?
Maybe……