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It’s a great day for America!
Congratulations to Democrats for what can only be described as a resounding victory. This is truly an historic occasion; you have elected the first black president. I’m so proud to see this happen in my lifetime. And after eight years of possibly the worst era in America, we now have reason for new hope.
This is a time of great opportunity. America stands on the verge of becoming again what it used to be; a nation that the world respects and looks to for leadership.
The election of Barak Obama finally gives truth to the old adage. Now we can honestly tell our children that in this great nation, anyone can grow up to be president if you work hard enough.
It’s time to rebuild. To Republicans I say enough of the greed and hatred and meanness. You had many opportunities to do the right thing and make this country great. You blew it. You made us the symbol of what the world hates. You gave us the Worst-President-Ever. The American people have handed you a stunning defeat and your time in power is over.
You now have a clear choice. Work with us to build a better America, or be kicked to the side of the road and into irrelevance. There will be wounds to heal, but now is the time to join with us and make America whole again. Democrat or Republican, we need to remember that we’re Americans first. Join us and be a part of a new beginning. Fight us and end up on the dust pile of history.
God bless America!
And God bless Barak Obama.
There will be a coming together, but not until after the inaugural terrorist attack. I am convinced of that.
XXX…you have a lot of nerve to tell the Republicans enough of the hatred and meanness…from what I have seen in here, there has been plenty of hatred and meanness on both sides of the aisle.
I cannot wait to hear talk radio today.
They will be winding up to wind down now. NO more monopoly for them when the Fairness doctrine comes back!
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swallow_my_nickel
Posted November 5, 2008 at 6:33 am | Permalink
XXX…you have a lot of nerve to tell the Republicans enough of the hatred and meanness…from what I have seen in here, there has been plenty of hatred and meanness on both sides of the aisle.
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Agreed, but only one side of the aisle has come out of this election as a landslide winner. Your side lost. Americans have rejected you resoundingly. Republicans have a choice: either join us to build a better America, or spend the next 8 years in the “wilderness” gnashing your teeth and being irrelevant.
Oh piss! What the hell is the matter with Minnesota people reelecting that little rat Norm Coleman?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA8OmK3qslw
hehehe
Look, we’re more than even here. The republicans took down clinton like a pack of wild dogs. And he was a good president. We took down Bush because he was a horrible president.
The conservative ideals have failed over and over again.
My question is this- at the end of these next 8 years, and Obama has mended the US…will you remember? Or make excuses?
“there has been plenty of hatred and meanness on both sides of the aisle.”
At some point for the good of the nation this needs to end. Now is as good a time as any. Like it or not, the Democrats are large and in charge. Republicans can choose to contribute to and be a part of what’s coming, or they can crawl off in the corner and lick their wounds.
Your time is over; ours has just begun. Be a part of a new beginning, or get out of the way. Americans spoke loud and clear last night. Republicans need to hear loud and clear what they said.
sooo, did barack HUSSEIN obama walk across Lake Michigan to get to his celebratory party?
Has he created world peace yet? Fixed the economy? Did he cure cancer yet this morning?
After all the promises and hoopla, I expect miracles within minutes….
Actually, XXX, neither side is “my” side. But then all of you are quick about assumptions…
WOOOHOOOOOOO!!!!
Rainbow farting unicorns for everybody!!
right, x…just like the ‘coming together’ and support that Bush has seen for the past 4 years? (STOLEN ELECTION, STOLEN ELECTION)
the sour grape trolls are abundant this AM
the sour grape trolls have been abundant ever since this blog started…
sorta like the FOUR YEARS of sour grapes, mx? (STOLEN ELECTION, STOLEN ELECTION) for four years… if nothing else, you provided an excellent example of how to whine, complain, and spread hateful invective.
Mark my words well…it was NECESSARY for Obama to win…
XXX
Unfortunately what many people said was “Baraks gonna make my house payments for me”.
Reality will set in.
Oh, and thanks again for lunch the other day. Hopefully I’ll get a chance to return the favor someday.
The cons will not suffer this willingly.
Too GOOD that they don’t have a choice!
Just for fun, let’s impeach bush and cheney.
I would have had it no other way…
Heh HEH
I loved Palin on the stage last night looking like she was about to bawl her eyes out.
McCain’s tactics backfired big time..he ran a campaign based on negativity, distortions, accusations, and outright lies because he had no real solutions for the massive problems in our country…then he selected a bimbo as a running mate, with the idea that thinking women would fall for it and vote for her just because of her gender. He simply blew it.
Well, the election is over with not too many surprises. The Democrats did well to take advantage of this perfect storm.
Yet, there are a few positives for Republicans to take from it. I’m glad to see the Senate is not filibuster proof. Glad that Minnesota didn’t embarrass themselves by electing that idiot Al Franken. Glad to see that the Kansas Congressional delegation added a Republican. Glad that our state is still overwhelmingly red.
Now the process of rebuilding. I think it is pretty certain that the left will mistake the voter’s desire for undefined change with a leftward shift in ideology. They will overreach. Therein lies opportunity. But to take advantage, Republicans cannot continue being Democrat lite.
I think that Obama could be good president. We will see.
Happy dance…happy dance…happy dance!
This election is reminiscent of the Carter election. The incumbent (Nixon and now Bush) screwed things up so royally that any Democrat with a pulse could win.
Will be interesting to see if HUSSEIN repeats as a one termer like Carter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqsT4xnKZPg
one more time
“Glad to see that the Kansas Congressional delegation added a Republican. ”
Yes Kansas will continue to be the hind end of the universe.
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Heckler
Posted November 5, 2008 at 7:04 am | Permalink
XXX
Unfortunately what many people said was “Baraks gonna make my house payments for me”.
Reality will set in.
Oh, and thanks again for lunch the other day. Hopefully I’ll get a chance to return the favor someday.
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Heckler, I don’t know anybody who thinks Obama is going to make their house payment. I think it’s more like a huge majority of Americans are looking for a new direction and said as much yesterday.
Heckler, people like you need to be the future of the Republican party. After meeting you in person, I find you to be a reasonable person who has the best interests of America at heart. You, and people like you need to bring your ideas to the table. America needs to be about ALL Americans; not just one party or the other.
And I’m good for lunch any time. You’ll be an interesting friend.
Still no word from Regular?
Give us 8 years of Democrats controlling Congress, Senate and The White House and you won’t recognize this country. Not for the better.
I will have to find the text of last night’s speech by President-elect, but it sounded a whole lot like Karl Marx – “From each according to his ability. To each according to his need.”
Kool aid drinkers is lapping it up.
He’s already running for a second term and the media is giving it to him before he makes a decision in talking about the mountain we have to climb.
Is he planning on fixing 8 years of failed policy or 232?
“Heckler, I don’t know anybody who thinks Obama is going to make their house payment.”
I do. Last night as I was waiting for the results to start coming in a friend just happen to mention she hoped BHO wins because he was going to pay her mortgage payments (both the first and the second).
A great transformation is about to overtake the land. It’s not the first time, but it will be notable just the same.
Democrats will cease discussing deficit spending as a bad. And it will be left once again to the small government conservatives.
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Hud
Posted November 5, 2008 at 7:24 am | Permalink
“Heckler, I don’t know anybody who thinks Obama is going to make their house payment.”
I do. Last night as I was waiting for the results to start coming in a friend just happen to mention she hoped BHO wins because he was going to pay her mortgage payments (both the first and the second).
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Yeah, Riiiight….
Either you’re lying, or you hang out with some really stupid people.
The Minnesota Senate race is so close.
A recount may be in order.
XXX
“Heckler, I don’t know anybody who thinks Obama is going to make their house payment”
You forget how many truly ignorant people there are in this country. And some of them vote. Not stupid, ignorant. They are in for an education.
“Democrats will cease discussing deficit spending as a bad.”
Heckler, shut up. I want my free house, free car, and free money.
Where were all the riots that were predicted here yesterday?
This morning’s thread pretty much quells the opinion that CONs are bad losers.
They’ve turned into perfect losers.
Obama blah blah..
I want to know about the House and Senate.
Hud
Unfortunatly all we are likely to get is the Unicorn. And the fact that it farts rainbows is not going to make it feel any better.
but mh…a lot of us learned from you..(STOLEN ELECTION, STOLEN ELECTION). The whining, wailing and gnashing of teeth that has gone on for the past 4 years was a GREAT example of how to behave. Sooo, going to follow your wonderful and positive example! What fun!
“Sooo, going to follow your wonderful and positive example! What fun!”
Raptor, when can we start using the phase “Worst President ever”.
Well, Hud…I think it would be a little premature to use it prior to, say, January 20th? But after that, it is fair game to use on a daily basis.
Raptor, when can we start using the phase “Worst President ever”.
I’ll start using it myself if Obama panders to the damned cons.
“Raptor” –
You never heard “STOLEN ELECTION, STOLEN ELECTION” from me after December 2000. I defy you to show any post of mine to the contrary.
It may have been the weakness of Democrats that we respect the Constitution enough to have accepted, even as the SCOTUS decision in Bush v. Gore was wrong, it became the law of the land.
Quitcher whining.
McCain lost a fair fight.
Live with it.
The Obama win was no surprise.. it just gived the Dems 4 years to get it right! If they don’t.. no excuses, noone else to blame, and the voters will clean house again. For the sake of this country I truly hope they get it right.
To me.. the REAL surprise last night was the School Bond passing….. wow.. I didn’t expect that!!
mh I was using the ‘you’ collectively….I didn’t mean it in a singular sense but as a group who has lambasted, attacked, debased, spewed invective and totally disrespected the office of President for the past 4 years.
Man am I busy this AM!!! Becoming a waaaaaaaaammmmmbulancve driver was a great decision for me. It is making ME rich!
Gotta go, so many waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh people to pick up…so little time!
So, “Raptor” –
You were lying, right?
Loser.
mh….I was not lying as you so incorrecly accuse me of. The word “you” can be singular or plural, and my use of it in the plural was not a lie.
Believe what you want..your opinion matters not anyway.
“…totally disrespected the office of President for the past 4 years.”
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I will make this promise — if President Obama disrespects his office he will have earned disrespect.
bush disrespected the office of president and he earned my disrespect.
My opinion seems to matter to you, “Raptor.”
Otherwise you wouldn’t be whining so much.
It’s interesting to see how many posters put being a Republican before being an American. Stolen election? We didn’t steal it, we took it. Get over it.
Americans took America back.
I think you need to look no further than the Obama campaign to see how he’ll run the country. His campaign was nearly flawless. While short on experience, Obama is a strikingly intelligent man and has the good sense to surround himself with good experienced people.
Obama will run this country for the good of the people and not just the fat cats and large corporations.
Obama will have to gain my support. I fear he will try to work with people who cannot be reasoned with.
I am more interested in Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid and what they can get done.
X…I am just repeating what has been said ad nauseum for the past FOUR years. People didn’t like the outcome FOUR years ago, so they chanted about a stolen election..for FOUR YEARS.
The Supreme Court made a legal and binding ruling, but we continued to hear “stolen election” whining for FOUR YEARS. Sooo..what is wrong with a little turnabout?
Besides..there are many people on this blog that put being Democrats before being American. How many times have we heard (read) from people who have NEVER voted anything but one party? That accusation goes both ways, X….neither side has a halo in that regard.
I
From the front lines of Iraq to more genteel spots like Harry’s Bar in Paris or the Sacramento in Argentina, the election of Barack Obama unlocked a floodgate of hope that a new American leader will redeem promises of change, rewrite the political script and, perhaps as important as anything else, provide a kind of leadership that will erase the bitterness of the Bush years.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/06/world/06worldreax.html?ref=world
This election was not only a win for America, it was a victory for the world. Don’t care what other countries think? Like it or not, we’re part of a global neighborhood.
It’s time we started trying to get along with the neighbors.
Uhm, “Raptor?” –
The SCOTUS decision on Bush v. Gore was eight years ago.
Please try to keep up.
Raptor
Posted November 5, 2008 at 8:18 am | Permalink
X…I am just repeating what has been said ad nauseum for the past FOUR years. People didn’t like the outcome FOUR years ago, so they chanted about a stolen election..for FOUR YEARS.
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So 2 wrongs make a right?
Rap, of all people, you’re better than that. For the good of the country, this has to end. You and people like you need to be a part of the change that’s coming.
Or you can sit on the sidelines and grumble and be bitter.
That would be a shame.
Boortz- good as always
THE “I WANT MY MOMMY” ELECTION
I brought this up several months ago … a slogan for this election. “I want my mommy.” The phrase really says it all. This is not an election where the American voters were looking for someone to protect their freedoms. Instead, it was an election where people were looking for someone to take care of them. Self-sufficiency seems a bit old-fashioned right now. Why work so hard to be self-sufficient when candidates are falling all over themselves to provide the American people with womb-to-tomb or, if you will, cradle-to-grave paternalism. The voters who put Barack Obama into office bear little resemblance to the people who fought for independence 224 years ago. Colonists fighting for our independence actually left their bloody footprints along the icy roads of New York and Pennsylvania while marching to engage the British troops. Today we can’t even drum of a decent plurality of voters who will vote for liberty, let alone fight for it.
This has been a “what’s in it for me” vote. Are you going to give me health care? Are you going to make sure my job is guaranteed? Are you going to cover my child care costs? You aren’t going to make me pay taxes, are you? How about all those evil rich people? Aren’t you going to take some of their money away from them and give it to me? After all … I work for my money, they cheated and stole for theirs. Make them pay their fair share of taxes. Me? I’m tired of paying any share.
The big question for me today is whether or not freedom, economic liberty and self-sufficiency can make a comeback in America. Right now it seems that a dismaying number of Americans think that they are owed a living; that it is the government’s job to guarantee their economic security. Can we ever turn that around and return to a time when people accept the responsibility for their own lives and eschew the idea of using government as a tool of legalized plunder?
there’s more
http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html
Freedom has taken a hit, we will have to wait and see how damaging the hit will be.
“Freedom has taken a hit,”
Thankfully, those 8 years are over (in another 74 days)
I see the kool-aid crowd is already blaiming the minority party for lack of “change”.
Why don’t we just outlaw Republicans from holding office?
Give Obama an unlimited term right now.
Make him King.
Excuse me Heckler?
Neal Boortz has never worked a day in his life.
Oh but talk radio will be FUN today!
ghotiphaze, what freedoms did you lose in the last 8 years?
How long will it take Limbaugh to call Malika the new “White House dog?”
That’s just it, Anti. I don’t know and neither do you. I’m guessing for a start freedom from personal privacy invasion, but I’ll never know. You were probably safe, though, your steps were locked.
….your steps were locked.
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Nah, I don’t even have a gate on my porch.
Gay marriage must have been to over the top for most people this go-a-round.
I guess I should forward this article to boortz
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2005/Rich-Poor-Gap13may05.htm
The notion that the U.S is a special place where any child can grow up to be president, a meritocracy where smarts and ambition matter more than parenthood and class, dates to Benjamin Franklin. The 15th child of a candle-and-soap maker, Franklin started out as a penniless printer’s apprentice and rose to wealth so great that he retired to a life of politics and diplomacy at age 42.
The promise that a child born in poverty isn’t trapped there remains a staple of America’s self-portrait. President Bush, though a riches-to-riches story himself, revels in the humble origins of some in his cabinet. He says his attorney general “grew up in a two-bedroom house,” the son of “migrant workers who never finished elementary school.” He notes that his Cuban-born commerce secretary’s first job for Kellogg Corp. was driving a truck; his last was chief executive.
But the reality of mobility in America is more complicated than the myth. As the gap between rich and poor has widened since 1970, the odds that a child born in poverty will climb to wealth — or a rich child will fall into the middle class — remain stuck. Despite the spread of affirmative action, the expansion of community colleges and the other social change designed to give people of all classes a shot at success, Americans are no more or less likely to rise above, or fall below, their parents’ economic class than they were 35 years ago.
Although Americans still think of their land as a place of exceptional opportunity — in contrast to class-bound Europe — the evidence suggests otherwise. And scholars have, over the past decade, come to see America as a less mobile society than they once believed.
As recently as the late 1980s, economists argued that not much advantage passed from parent to child, perhaps as little as 20%. By that measure, a rich man’s grandchild would have barely any edge over a poor man’s grandchild.
“Almost all the earnings advantages or disadvantages of ancestors are wiped out in three generations,” wrote Gary Becker, the University of Chicago economist and Nobel laureate, in 1986. “Poverty would not seem to be a ‘culture’ that persists for several generations.”
But over the last 10 years, better data and more number-crunching have led economists and sociologists to a new consensus: The escalators of mobility move much more slowly. A substantial body of research finds that at least 45% of parents’ advantage in income is passed along to their children, and perhaps as much as 60%. With the higher estimate, it’s not only how much money your parents have that matters — even your great-great grandfather’s wealth might give you a noticeable edge today.
Many Americans believe their country remains a land of unbounded opportunity. That perception explains why Americans, much more than Europeans, have tolerated the widening inequality in recent years. It is OK to have ever-greater differences between rich and poor, they seem to believe, as long as their children have a good chance of grasping the brass ring.
This continuing belief shapes American politics and economic policy. Technology, globalization and unfettered markets tend to erode wages at the bottom and lift wages at the top. But Americans have elected politicians who oppose using the muscle of government to restrain the forces of widening inequality. These politicians argue that lifting the minimum wage or requiring employers to offer health insurance would do unacceptably large damage to economic growth.
Despite the widespread belief that the U.S. remains a more mobile society than Europe, economists and sociologists say that in recent decades the typical child starting out in poverty in continental Europe (or in Canada) has had a better chance at prosperity. Miles Corak, an economist for Canada’s national statistical agency who edited a recent Cambridge University Press book on mobility in Europe and North America, tweaked dozens of studies of the U.S., Canada and European countries to make them comparable. “The U.S. and Britain appear to stand out as the least mobile societies among the rich countries studied,” he finds. France and Germany are somewhat more mobile than the U.S.; Canada and the Nordic countries are much more so.
As we were all “coming together” last night, the NWO was born. Watch it go!
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Mr_Kia
Posted November 5, 2008 at 8:36 am | Permalink
Why don’t we just outlaw Republicans from holding office?
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With the mood of the country, that’s not a bad idea. Look at the record. Under the previous administration, we had peace, prosperity, and a budget surplus. Under the current administration, we saw America attacked by terrorists right here in our own country, 2 wars, government growth of around 33%, a doubling of the deficit, and what may be the worst financial melt-down in our history. That really looks good on the Republican resume.
ANTI
Posted November 5, 2008 at 8:47 am | Permalink
Gay marriage must have been to over the top for most people this go-a-round.
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So much for the “far right” of the party being on their way out.
Well congratulations to President Elect Obama. He ran a very smart campaign. One that should be studied and modeled. Best wishes for him and this country.
Monkeyhawk
Where do I go to pick up my robe. Oh, and congratulations on being the blog tyrannical leader – I can’t remember your proper title at the moment.
Phantom
When do we get our electric cars?
I’m gonna need new tires for my waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammbulance. The tread is wearing thin with all the trips I’m making!
THE GREAT AMERICAN EXPERIMENT IN GOVERNMENT CONTINUES. I am disappointed in an Obama win, Make no mistake. However, the people have spoken. There was a shift in government, and governmental style, and substance. It was done without tanks, and raids in the middle of the night, and people “disappeared”. I celebrate this great country. And the fact that so far, regardless of how bad any president or congress has been, it has survived.
My concern is that it is now about “who is going to give me the most”. We as a country, cannot stand long for such a movement, in my opinion. However, we will strive to keep this great country alive.
I will support Obama as President, and wait and see. I will not hope for his assination, as I have seen on this blog for Bush, I will still claim it as my country, as I have seen disavowwed on this blog. I will still care if a terrorist attacks this country, as I have seen disavowed on this blog. I will not seek to name a sewer after him, as has happened elsewhere.
I will support him as President. If I beleive his policies are not in the best interest of the United States, I will do everything I can to see that they do not take place. If I beleive that they are harmful to me, I will first evaluate whether or not they are in the best interest of the country. If the case can be made that it is, honestly and without guile, regardless of whether or not it personally impacts me or mine in a negative way, I will support it. If I am unsure, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. If I find him dishonest, or acting not in the best interest of the country, I will seek to remedy the situation. I will not rest. I will be vigilant, and I will prevail. So I so pledge,
God Bless America.
Capn’A, I WANT MY 33%!
Congratulations.
For the first time in many years, I did not vote for a single Republican on the National ticket. The REpubliican party needs to hear that.
Neither did I vote for Democrat. THey need to hear that as well (though I doubt they care)
I just hope I don’t lose my job when my boss’s taxes go through the roof!
Change. Hope.
lj, while I fully agree with you, I don’t think the 1 and 2% votes for independents shouted loud enough to be heard.
Anti-
I agree. However, I must do my part. As small as it is.
They just “uncalled” the Minnesota Senate race.
Franken is still alive and kicking.
Fair enough, LJ.
“So much for the “far right” of the party being on their way out.”
With regard to allowing same-sex marriage, yes. Two states where it was attempted to tighten abortion restrictions failed.
Looks like onvicTed Stevens might win reelection in Alaska. Too close now and somewhere I read it could take two weeks to count the almost 70,000 ballots that were submitted via early voting.
If I had typed the “c,” that would have read convicTED Stevens.
You mean California voted IN that stupid Anti-Gay proposition??? How shameful!! Now the CA Supreme Court can simply rule that the Proposition is UnConstitutional…. the same as they did before… Maybe someday they will get tired of the voting expense… LOL
Linda,
For the life of me, I can not understand why they would re-elect him.
I voted for no incumbent and voted independent when I could.
I’m surrounded by die-hard Reps and it’s pretty somber around here.
I gotta laugh at all of this.
Raptor
Posted November 5, 2008 at 7:11 am | Permalink
This election is reminiscent of the Carter election. The incumbent (Nixon and now Bush) screwed things up so royally that any Democrat with a pulse could win.
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Ummmm Raptor??? Nixon was NOT the incumbent when Carter won the election…. Trying to re-write history so early this morning??? Or you just need some coffee to open up your brain synapses???
Bush still sits in the Oval (Offal?) Office and he still has a lot of damage to do and presidential pardons to sign.
The only thing that changed last night was come Jan 20 there will be a new madam in the whorehouse.
Freebird1971
Posted November 5, 2008 at 9:26 am | Permalink
The only thing that changed last night was come Jan 20 there will be a new madam in the whorehouse.
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And she’s raising prices!
Freebird — You mean Laura has to move??
Cross-thread posting here. I’ll apologize later.
The good guy won!! Whupped the Clinton machine and the slime thrown at him by the Rove/Cheney machine. And they say he doesn’t have any experience. He has experience in kickin’ behind, and that is a good thing to have in a president.
Dennis
First, let me say a resounding, Get Over It! The election was clearly a landslide victory, a repudiation of all that Repub party has done to this country. This is not a bush contested election, with back door shenanigans determining the outcome.
Granted there are still some Repub hold out strongholds, but they are irrelevant in the new political order.
I can’t wait to see Obama’s first string line up, you can bet it’ll be equipped with the best and the brightest.
I’d expect that Obama’s victory last night will do more to raise the minority self esteem than anything since the civil rights era. Who knows maybe some kids will realize they can be anything they want and resist the pressure in their neighborhoods to join gangs.
There are a thousand points of light, and unlike for the bush’s the lights aren’t muzzle flashes.
Early morning Talk Radio is already spreading more Smear and Slime… Callers are saying they are going to quit their jobs, and go home and wait for their welfare checks…
They are going to have to wait a LONG time!!
Since no welfare check will go to them….
John Kerry, on the short list for Secretary of State?
Doesn’t sound much like Change.
Change in names is not a Change in the way things are done.
WASHINGTON – The Associated Press is uncalling the Minnesota Senate race.
Republican Sen. Norm Coleman finished ahead of Democrat Al Franken early Wednesday in the final vote count, but his 571-vote margin falls within the state’s mandatory recount law. That law requires a recount any time the margin between the top two candidates is less than one-half of one percent.
The AP called the race prematurely.
Minnesota Secretary of State Mark Ritchie said the recount won’t begin until mid-November at the earliest and will probably stretch into December. It will involve local election officials from around the state.
“I’d expect that Obama’s victory last night will do more to raise the minority self esteem than anything since the civil rights era. Who knows maybe some kids will realize they can be anything they want and resist the pressure in their neighborhoods to join gangs.”
The only thing I agree with. And we can only hope it is true.
Another Talk Radio show has their callers calling in and howling: WOLVERINES!!!
What a bunch of LOSERS!!
“Another Talk Radio show has their callers calling in and howling: WOLVERINES!!!
What a bunch of LOSERS!!”
You mean they aspire to be like a bunch of kids who never finished high school, play army and live in a fictional world where Cuba is a threat to America?
KIA — Just where do you find that crap??
What DID you put in your coffee today??
Chuckle… Listen to the unity theme of Phantom, as usual, calling it as it ain’t.
I do however share his hope that Obama can get through the thick heads of the largely minority gang members to convince them that irresponsibility and violence is no way to live.
I’d love to see Franken beat out coleman, would be almost as good as the Dole defeat.
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Freebird1971
Posted November 5, 2008 at 9:26 am | Permalink
The only thing that changed last night was come Jan 20 there will be a new madam in the whorehouse.
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Freebird, that was uncalled for. Your side lost? Get over it.
Chas
Posted November 5, 2008 at 9:37 am | Permalink
KIA — Just where do you find that crap??
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It was reported on ABC News last night, about an hour after the victory speech.
Uh oh, voter fraud found in Pennsylvania. Oh wait, it was a Republican committing voter fraud.
http://kdka.com/politics/Rick.Santorum.vote.2.856342.html
Let them quit their jobs, it’ll take about ten minutes to find their replacements.
http://wbztv.com/local/Barack.Obama.John.2.853019.html
Link to that crap. And Yes, it is crap. Just not mine.
I wonder how many pardons Bush will issue for those not YET convicted of any crimes??
Chas
Posted November 5, 2008 at 9:31 am | Permalink
Early morning Talk Radio is already spreading more Smear and Slime… Callers are saying they are going to quit their jobs, and go home and wait for their welfare checks…
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Wonderful. It’ll do them good to find out what it’s like to be poor.
You don’t get unemployment if you quit.
Who do you think bush will pardon on his way out the door. I think Libby will be first on the list. Stevens just may be added on too. With such a strong dem congress, there may be bush doctine pre-emptive pardons to boot.
Maggot —
“You mean they aspire to be like a bunch of kids who never finished high school, play army and live in a fictional world where Cuba is a threat to America?”
Uh huh… That would be my guess, especially when you listened to their kool aid assisted fairy tales of what hasnt happened yet…
Come together, Right now, Over Obama! There’s your unity theme.
I believe it was Mark Twain who said:
‘The biggest problems I have in my life, havent happened to me yet!’
Chas
Posted November 5, 2008 at 9:40 am | Permalink
I wonder how many pardons Bush will issue for those not YET convicted of any crimes??
D@mn! Are you seriously this stupid?
Don’t answer that. Plead the 5th.
“You mean they aspire to be like a bunch of kids who never finished high school, play army and live in a fictional world where Cuba is a threat to America?”
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I’d really like to see an end to this stupid Cuban Embargo. After almost 50 years, it makes very little sense.
Cuba would make a great 51st state.
I believe it was “The Dude” who said-
“Nice marmot”
I would be surprised if he pardoned more than the total of 456 that Clinton pardoned on his way out the door.
How soon we forget…..
“You don’t get unemployment if you quit.”
LOL I know XXX…. They arent thinking straight yet… I know it was a shock to them last night… Then again, maybe they are still suffering after-effects of Uncle Jim, and Cousin Jack
“I wonder how many pardons Bush will issue for those not YET convicted of any crimes??”
Bush might want to save a couple of pardons for himself.
I think the World Court would like a word with him.
I think the World Court would like a word with him.
Really? Why has it taken them so long to get ahold of him then?
Yea, it sure would be nice to get some REAL Cuban cigars for a change…
chas…I am fully aware that Gerald Ford was president at the time of the Carter election..but no Republican could have been elected after the Nixon disgrace. That was my point…obviously far too complex for you to understand.
The Nixon stain made a Ford election impossible, and the country would have elected any Democrat with a pulse….and we did.
XXX
Posted November 5, 2008 at 9:37 am | Permalink
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Freebird1971
Posted November 5, 2008 at 9:26 am | Permalink
The only thing that changed last night was come Jan 20 there will be a new madam in the whorehouse.
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Freebird, that was uncalled for. Your side lost? Get over it.
I didnt vote for either Mcain or Obama so how could my side have lost.
XXX, As long as there are people like you on both sides whose attitude is our way is the only way,there is not going to be any real change of note.
Early morning Talk Radio is already spreading more Smear and Slime… Callers are saying they are going to quit their jobs, and go home and wait for their welfare checks…
This, I want to see.
I want to see these people live on $200-$300 a month. It wouldn’t even cover most of their electric bills, much less their house payments or SUV payments. Please, please, callers, give it a try!
I didnt vote for either Mcain or Obama so how could my side have lost.
Because our guy got like 0.44% of the vote. I wanted him to get at least 6%, but I think when he threw Ron Paul under the bus, he sunk himself too.
We can only hope that the GOP rifts and we get the Religious Right and Neocons out of the party and get back to small government, fiscal responsibility, liberty, freedom and socially liberal.
the ‘religious right’ is neither in my estimation. They should go form their own party, and call it the party of intolerance or “we are holier than you” or something.
Along those lines, does anyone know if the makeup of the state boe changed?
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Chas
Posted November 5, 2008 at 9:50 am | Permalink
Yea, it sure would be nice to get some REAL Cuban cigars for a change…
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hehehehe
You’ve been without Montecristos for fifty years? You are a loser!
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Freebird1971
Posted November 5, 2008 at 9:57 am | Permalink
XXX, As long as there are people like you on both sides whose attitude is our way is the only way,there is not going to be any real change of note.
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Oh, how little you know about me.
Raptor, last I read it remains a body of people who think science is science and religion is religion. We won’t be returning to the idiocy of teaching religious beliefs in science classes this time around.
HLP
Posted November 5, 2008 at 10:10 am | Permalink
hehehehe
You’ve been without Montecristos for fifty years? You are a loser
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Good morning, Hank!
You been holding out on them Cubans? I haven’t had a good one in about 5 years. I used to do business with a vendor who made regular trips to Mexico. He brought back some fine Cubans. I miss that guy…
Raptor,
“Along those lines, does anyone know if the makeup of the state boe changed?”
I believe it has not. Three of the five open seats were won by Democrats: Walt Chappell, Sue Storm, and Carolyn Campbell. I think that means the status quo since 2006 remains in place.
http://www.kssos.org/ent/kssos_ent.html
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SolDevVB
Posted November 5, 2008 at 9:50 am | Permalink
I think the World Court would like a word with him.
Really? Why has it taken them so long to get ahold of him then?
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Think about it. It’ll come to you.
Eventually……………
Kathy Martin won, and she’s a creationist so there’s still some anti-science to be represented.
I think congress will work with moderate repubs, and alienate the Rw, which leaves Ks. out in the cold.
Can Stevens run his office out of a cell?
Anyone know of other convicted felons that have been re-elected, or is that just an Alaska thing?
Pleef,
If you are still out there, check your gmail.
Hell with it,
Pleef and AE and anyone else interested…
I have a guy that makes signs. I am getting a price on a 2′x3′ sign that reads “Don’t blame me, I voted for Ron Paul.”
If you are interested, let me know, quickly, if you want in and how many.
California’s prop 8 which would have overturned gay marriage remains too close to call.
In South Dakota, banning almost all of a womans right to choose has failed.
You cons have lost everywhere on everything. Do ya think you might learn from that?
“The Nixon stain made a Ford election impossible, and the country would have elected any Democrat with a pulse….and we did.”
Ford would have had a chance had he not pardoned Nixon. But, he did the right thing for the country. Like GHW Bush did in raising taxes. The electorate tends to not reward Republicans when they do the right thing, but will reward them when they do the wrong things over and over – see the Reagan presidency as an example. In anticipation of “What did Reagan do wrong?” question, Answer: ‘borrow and spend, borrow and spend, repeat ad naseum’ – exploding the national debt in the process.
James, if you are around, will you let us know how you are. I will send my “friendly visitor” friends if we don’t hear from you. Not a threat, a promise…
Bluejay, I’m glad you brought up that issue. I’ve noticed that the abortion related issues didn’t fare so well. In South Dakota, as you mentioned, the attempt to ban all abortion failed again. In Colorado the bill to legislate a fertilized egg as a fully developed person (thereby criminalizing miscarriage and fertility clinics) failed in a landslide. And here in Wichita the Operation Rescue backed candidate lost to Nola Foulston.
Maybe in bad economic times, when the rate of abortions increase, people tend to recognize there are more important issues than making pregnant women the property of the State.
Hey XXX,
I get them in the Carribean. Nothing like finishing a good meal at San Antoines in St Lucia, sitting on the veranda over looking Castries Harbour with a snifter of Napolean brandy and a Montecristo. . .
I’d never bring them back with me, why, that would be illegal!
hehehehe
“. Do ya think you might learn from that?”
Heh, who am I kidding.
They’ll make Palin their leader now.
Condi seemed absolutely thrilled with Obama’s win.
Condi is black.
Yeah, Hank, the living is easy when you marry right, ain’t it?
Same with me. I picked my parents well.
Mr_Kia
Posted November 5, 2008 at 9:54 am | Permalink
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There is more to being educated than reading books that match your personal agenda and regurgitating it for public consumption
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Isn’t this the way Rush Limbaugh has made millions off the Republicans and Radical Right for many years? They are not called Dittoheads for nothing.
“Yeah, Hank, the living is easy when you marry right, ain’t it?”
That wasn’t very fair. Couldn’t've been too easy to find a rich woman stupid enough to take him.
*ducks*
(sorry, couldn’t help myself, that was just begging to be released)
Thanks for posting Boortz, Heckie.
Even though Boortz is a self-loathing GAY with a keen eye for self-promotion, we’ll still let him get married if we can.
We’re not holding grudges.
And it’s nice to see that you respect Boortz, what with his secret GAY AGENDA and all . . .
“They’ll make Palin their leader now.”
I sincerely hope so! Her and Joe. Only people of average (or below) intelligence would want average leaders. And just like half are below average, half are above and some of those above will always be able to convince some of those who are below.
Franken and Coleman separated by only a few hundred votes.
Hey Norm Coleman? Get out of Paul Wellstone’s seat!
Damn I wish Paul Wellstone could have seen…all this.
Talk radio is going to need Franken more than the Senate with the “fairness” doctrine coming.
Correct, CF2K,
Even though David Dennis in the Board of Education’s 10th district is a Republican, he’s an okay Republican.
He’s not a “Nathan” Republican. This guy is a former air force Colonel who believe in actual science.
He’s a good asset to the Board. So the board is safe from the wackos for at least two years.
HLP…San Antoines in St Lucia? I will be in St. Lucia in December and will have to check it out.
Too late for this election, but well worth watching. Funny sometimes, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhDRVKDcXQo&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TGf2o4qeBo
Someone tell me what the crises will be on January 21st or 22nd. Obviously someone knows.
The new economic order IS the New World Order. And it’s here.
World Government. Our dollar is dead and Obama will be heading the charge!
Onward!
Hank may get his cigars from Cuba, but I’ve been there.
Remember when the CONs laughed and pointed at Barack during their CONvention and kept saying, “what do COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS do, anyhow?”
You got your answer last night.
They win elections.
Obama = The Pied Piper to the NWO.
Enjoy. I’m sure you will.
lindainks55
Posted November 5, 2008 at 11:03 am | Permalink
“They’ll make Palin their leader now.”
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I think the Republican Party is going to do some real soul searching and perhaps, if the true Republicans get lucky, the Radical Right will be arrogant enough to think they can form their own party. Then the God Party can take Sarah Palin and form their own utopia where only the ‘right’ people are allowed to breathe.
McCain’s campaign started going south when he brought Palin onto the ticket – that is when McCain turned into this desperate, angry little man that absolutely reeked of nastiness. No level of gutter trash was too low for him or Palin to take their campaign. And the whole time these so-called Radical Right Christians lapped it up and wanted more blood.
It was brought out last night that Palin actually drove many people away from McCain but kept her Right Wing base – enough said!
When McCain mentioned Obama in his speech, the crowded booed so lustily that McCain had to quiet them down.
When Obama mentioned McCain and his sevice to our country, the crowed cheered.
Yeah.
That’s the difference between Republican and Democratic in a nutshell.
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HLP
Posted November 5, 2008 at 10:46 am | Permalink
Hey XXX,
I get them in the Carribean. Nothing like finishing a good meal at San Antoines in St Lucia, sitting on the veranda over looking Castries Harbour with a snifter of Napolean brandy and a Montecristo. . .
I’d never bring them back with me, why, that would be illegal!
hehehehe
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ACK! Hank, you’re killing me!
Russia to base missiles on EU border: Medvedev
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=081105114620.ota6n5i1&show_article=1
CapnAmerica,
They cheered because they won.
The day before if Obama had mentioned McCain they would have been booing.
Idiot.
Yeah.
That’s the difference between Republican and Democratic in a nutshell
Doubtful. Easy to cheer for the other guy when youi are the winner. However, it was poor form for the McCain crowd. But, as long as you want to paint everything in a partisan light, got ahead. Shows your own biases.
Political Mama,
This was hardly a rejection of Conservatives either.
This was a rejection of the Republicans who have abadoned their conservative ideals.
Both my father and I, real conservatives, have been saying since day one that Bush is no real conservative. The Republicans have been spending like crazy the past 8 years and have hardly held true to being conservative.
Blue Jay–
The Minnesota Race with Al Franken is headed for a mandatory recount.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/05/senate-races-minnesota-recount/
CapnAmerica,
I believe in actual service too. I have been in the Marines for over 12 years. I have been all over the world serving this country including a tour in Iraq.
What have you done? What gives you the idea that you can speak ill of my service when you have not even done half of what I have?
Idiot.
CapnAmerica,
In response to your challenge yesterday, what will you do if someone tries something outside of your home to your family?
You don’t carry that shotgun around with you do you?
Idiot.
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Nathaniel
Posted November 5, 2008 at 11:24 am | Permalink
CapnAmerica,
They cheered because they won.
The day before if Obama had mentioned McCain they would have been booing.
Idiot.
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Not so, Nathan. If you’ll recall, anytime anybody started to boo at an Obama event he called them down for it and told people that they didn’t need to boo, they needed to vote.
Booing was standard behavior at McCain or Palen events.
I see you’re big on name calling today. Does that ease the pain of being on the losing side?
The military in Iraq is little more than IED trippers. Gotta save the real military (Blackwater) for important things.
Looks like somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, eh, Nathan?
How are you going to protect your family from a giant meterorite falling from the sky?
Gee, when it happens, I’ll get back to you on that . . .
Thomas Frank describes you cons to a tee in his book.
And here is Nathan to show us.
Cons have disposable leaders. When one loses, they just declare that that person was not a true conservative anyway and quickly run away from them.
“TRUE” conseveratism seems to be some sort of Platonic ideal that is aspired for but never achievable.
Maybe because no one really wants it.
XXX,
I call CapnAmerica an Idiot because he is one. He is the one who bascially said I do not know about actual service.
But please feel free to wonder about my calling him an idiot.
The point was not whether Obama may have told them to stop booing or not. The point is that the crowd did boo.
Nathan blathers obliviously, “What gives you the idea that you can speak ill of my service when you have not even done half of what I have?
“Idiot.”
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WTHeck are you working yourself into a spittle-flecked self-righteous rage about now?
I didn’t say anything about your service.
Your service is the one thing that I respect you for.
You stepped in it. You look the fool.
I won’t embarass you further by asking you to apologize . . .
CapnAmerica,
You were the one who issued the challenge. Now that you know you obviously can’t back it up you try to argue the absurd instead.
Tactics of an intellectual coward. That is why you run away from most of our discussions.
Heh HEH
Rush is in full rant.
And he is ALREADY laying down cover fire for Palin!
You can’t make this stuff up. The cons are SO stupid they are gonna address defeat with more practice for it! WHILE they form a circular firing squad.
CapnAmerica:
“He’s not a “Nathan” Republican. This guy is a former air force Colonel who believe in actual science.”
So what is the point in contrasting me with someone and then using his belief in “actual” service as an example of that contrast then?
Nathaniel,
Someone might attack you while you’re taking a shower, or sleeping. Carry your pistol ALL the time.
Nathan writes disingenuously, “Both my father and I, real conservatives, have been saying since day one that Bush is no real conservative.”
That’s why they wrote letters to all their CON leaders DEMANDING that Bush change course. That’s why they refused to support Tiahrt and McCain for supporting Bush all those years. That’s why they conducted petition drives and street protests to force their turncoat leaders back to the straight and narrow.
Uh . . . not exactly.
Cosmos,
Again, arguing the absurd.
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Nathaniel
Posted November 5, 2008 at 11:46 am | Permalink
The point was not whether Obama may have told them to stop booing or not. The point is that the crowd did boo.
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Nathan, I saw 2 instances of booing at Obama functions. McCain and Palin events on the other hand……
The people at the Obama rally were magnanimous in their victory last night as was McCain in his concession speech. Will McCain supporters be as big as he was?
I was pointing out his RANK.
Their are a few high level “Nathan” officers, like that wack-o Gen. Boykin (sp) guy, but generally higher rank means more education and more rational thought.
Nathaniel posted November 5, 2008 at 11:49 am
CapnAmerica:
“He’s not a “Nathan” Republican. This guy is a former air force Colonel who believe in actual SCIENCE.”
So what is the point in contrasting me with someone and then using his belief in “actual” SERVICE as an example of that contrast then?
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Nathaniel, do you have vision problems?
California voters approve gay-marriage ban
LOS ANGELES (AP) – In an election otherwise full of liberal triumphs, the gay rights movement suffered a stunning defeat as California voters approved a ban on same-sex marriages that overrides a recent court decision legalizing them.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D948TRV80&show_article=1
XXX–
I respect your opinion but I didn’t see McCain’s speech as really magnanimous, XXX.
He went on and on about civil rights struggles.
Yeah, so?
This wasn’t about race. It was about ideas.
Obama’s ideas won.
I didn’t hear McCain say one specific thing about Obama . . . all I heard was, “isn’t it nice ‘those people’ finally got the White House after all they’ve been through . . . “
This wasn’t about race. It was about ideas.
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95% of the black vote went to Obama. It was all about race.
Nathan–
I have lived over fifty years on this green earth in many parts of the US and overseas.
I cannot recall a single instance when having a gun on my person would have gotten me out of a bad situation.
I can think of many situations when it would have made things much worse however.
I guess Kansas isn’t the only state to think marriage is between one man one woman.
95% of the black vote ALWAYS goes Democratic.
Black people know better than white people what it is to be oppressed. SO many poor whites see their lot in life as somehow divinely assigned.
This is covered well in Michael Moore’s “Stupid White Men”.
Damn the lefties LOVE to press the racial divide. What is it with ‘you people’ anyway?
One tibit is how the hispanic vote went Obama’s way despite the wisdom of the wefu that hispanics voted Republican.
Capn
“Obama’s ideas won.”
Really? How do you know this?
Which ideas are Obama’s, the ones that he espoused before he started running for the Presidency, the ones he espoused while running for the Democrat party nomination, or the ones he ran on during the election.
They are all different. Which ones are his?
Cosmos,
Well, I didn’t even notice that. I apologize Capnamerica.
It was not an attack on my servie rather you same old usual attack on me being a Creationist.
CapnAmerica,
So you still do not unerstand that a belief in Creation is not a rejection of “science”
Idiot.
CapnAmerica,
Didn’t you say you used a shotgun in self defense?
By the way, I was incorrect about the possibility of overexuberant celebrations in the street turning intoviolence. I was wrong, and I am thankful to have been wrong.
Watch for a “New Deal” wherein jobs will be created by our loving government. Being post 9-11, the jobs will be of the security type. We’ll see his plan of Civial Security Brigades. Tattling on each other will become commonplace. When the economy does its final descent, there will be gnashing of teeth. We will be protected from harm via these security brigades. So rest easy. This will happen and the “left” will be okay with losing more civil liberties because Obama “has a plan” and it will be completely benevolent.
So, why can’t we all just get along?
Barack Obama won the popular vote with a 7 million margin.
He was 6 percentage points ahead.
Remember when the CONs attacked Clinton because he won with less than 50 percent of the vote?
Obama won with 52 percent of the vote, more than either of Bush’s wins.
One tibit is how the hispanic vote went Obama’s way despite the wisdom of the wefu that hispanics voted Republican.
Did you hear about the robocalls being made in FL yesterday? Seems they were telling Cubans that Castro had endorsed Obama. A lie, of course, and it backfired. More Cubans voted with Hispanics (for Obama) than were expected to.
Didn’t you say you used a shotgun in self defense?
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Yes, I did.
But I didn’t really need to. It was just a precaution.
Actually, the gun was not loaded, heh.
LJ,
Thank you for admitted your mistake. As for riots, there are several articles and opinions online today about the street celebrations in many cities across the U.S. PEACEFUL celebrations.
This is good.
Indeed, it is a mandate. I hope he is the “Hope”, cause I sure know zilch about him. He could surprise me, stranger things have happened.
CapnAmerica,
You laugh about not using a loaded gun? Then you claim to use the threat of deadly force, yet then say it wasn’t really needed?
What would you have done if they had decided to try to fight?
Wow!
How many different ways can you be so totally ignorant?
So you still do not unerstand that a belief in Creation is not a rejection of “science”
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If one believes that the earth is only 10 thousand years old as Nathan does and calls that “creationism,” then, yes, it is a rejection of science and the scientific method.
It’s also just pretty silly too . . .
I’m so glad I’m not Pleefer or Austrian_Economist.
BTW, Pleefer, did you ever read John Titor, the time traveler?
It would have been pretty hard for him to fight me since I was standing ten feet above him on my balcony.
He could have shot me however. Or tried to break into my house, which is what the sight of the gun was intended to forestall.
It did its job.
CapnAmerica,
If one believes that there is a God, as you do, then, yes, it is a rejection of science and the scientific method as well.
CapnAmerican-
Just a word of caution, take it or leave it. You should never use an unloaded weapon as a deterrant.
You just might get called on it.
But your choice.
CapnAmerica,
So how exactly were they threatening you that you needed a gun?
Oh, yeah.
Barack also won with a million votes MORE than Bush did last time:
Obama — 63 million
Bush — 62 million
Nathaniel
Posted November 5, 2008 at 12:39 pm | Permalink
CapnAmerica,
If one believes that there is a God, as you do, then, yes, it is a rejection of science and the scientific method as well.
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A false dichotomy. It is possible to believe in both.
So lets review…
CapnAmerica used the threat of deadly force, when he claims deadly force was not needed.
Not only did he use the threat of deadly force, but if he had actually needed it, he couldn’t actualy back up the threat because he was using a loaded gun.
Yet he mocks me for carrying concealed?
Steven,
Exactly. Just as it is possible to both believe in Creation and in Science.
Yes, Nathan.
A thief was ransacking my truck.
I don’t really know if the gun did any good or not.
Usually, I confront people like that without a gun–like when a bunch of kids were having a gang fight in my driveway, I just told them to leave–and I’m still around to tell the tale . . .
No, pre-d. But it sounds funny and cool. I’m gonna check him out. heheheheh. thanks.
Steven,
Then someone needs to explain it to CapnAmerica and Maggotpunk then, because those are the two who don’t get it.
“Nathaniel” astounds with –
“If one believes that there is a God…it is a rejection of science and the scientific method as well.”
Oh, my.
No other comment.
Just, oh my.
“You should never use an unloaded weapon as a deterrant.”
Says the National Rifle Association.
Well . . . they’re the experts.
NOT.
CapnAmerica,
Great. So you have lived to tell the tale. So now you think that no one else should carry concealed or mock them for doing so?
CapnAmerica,
Says anyone that teaches self defense with a firearm.
I am an expert.
Would you care to hear my credentials?
I stand by original statement.
I have never needed to use a gun against anyone else. One could imagine a scenario in which one would need to use a gun, but in my mind, the chances are so remote that constantly carrying around a loaded weapon is much more dangerous than the possible of danger which the weapon is supposed to prevent.
Just my opinion.
And the vast majority of Americans . . .
CapnAmerica,
Nearly every state in the country has now passed concealed carry.
How do you figure that the vast majority of Americans agree with you?
Not only that, but more and more Americans have been carrying concealed over the past 20 years and yet the “danger” of doing so is not greater than that of which the weapon would prevent.
Unless, you have some sort of actual proof to back up your absurd claim?
You know what’s really dangerous?
The “Nathan” guy running for school board only lost by a few thousand votes . . . in the city of Wichita.
Now that’s scary.
Thank goodness he ran a terrible campaign. The right-wing God-squad had him funded to the gills.
Speaking of dodging bullets, that was a close one.
amazing….people have been putting up with “worst.president.ever” comments for a couple of years..and yet today if anyone DARES to say something less than pure admiration for the election results, that is now WHINING?
equal time does not apply if you have a small, narrow and intolerant viewpoint, does it?
What has the Government done for the predominanty african-american neighborhoods in the last 40 years?
I don’t think it is a stretch to say the black community on average is in worse shape that it was economically prior to the civil rights movement.
Now it’s coming to “main street”.
“CapnAmerica
Posted November 5, 2008 at 12:53 pm | Permalink
“You should never use an unloaded weapon as a deterrant.”
Says the National Rifle Association.
Well . . . they’re the experts.
NOT.”
Maybe they say it, maybe not. I’m not the NRA, noor do I belong to the NRA. It was just a friendly offer of advice. Sorry you took it otherwise. Like I said, take it leave it. Your choice.
CapnAmerica,
Also, why don’t your beliefs on carrying concealed being so much more dangerous transfer over to having one in the home as well?
What is the difference that makes you think having a gun in the home for defense makes sense, but having one with you doesn’t?
Most Americans don’t carry guns around with them.
That’s my proof.
Duh.
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Okay, enough bickering with the mentally-challenged.
I’m off to bask in the well-earned knowledge that I helped defeat Bush-McCain and everything they stand for.
It’s a great day to be an American.
CapnAmerica,
That doesn’t prove that they agree with your absurd notion that doing so is more dangerous than the possible danger it would prevent.
“It’s a great day to be an American”
Yes it is, as it is every day.
Nathaniel posted November 5, 2008 at 12:39 pm
If one believes that there is a God, as you do, then, yes, it is a rejection of science and the scientific method as well.
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Nathaniel was probably laughed at often, during his junior-high school debates.
And Nathaniel seems to believe that the agricultural economist Dennis Avery does credible “science”, by lying about what real scientists believe.
Avery’s “scientific method” is lying.
Once again, I’m reduced to merely –
Oh, my.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/palin-once-greeted-mccain_n_141394.html
Okay, LJ,
The next time I pull a gun on somebody — when I’m 106 — I’ll make sure it’s loaded.
Sheesh . . .
amazing….people have been putting up with “worst.president.ever” comments for a couple of years..and yet today if anyone DARES to say something less than pure admiration for the election results, that is now WHINING?
You know, Rap, I’ve only skimmed this thread, but I can say personally that I gave both the Bushes a chance, even as I decried the stolen election of 2000. I was pleasantly surprised when W. picked Colin Powell as his Secretary of State. I tried to be optimistic about the situation.
To the extent you see unhinged hostility toward the current administration, they have amply earned it. Obama, on the other hand, has not even taken office yet.
Monkey,
What is your proper title now with the Obama victory? WE Blog’s _________________
Where do I pick up my robe?
Oh happy day, all I can say is YEA!!!!! I hope everyone can start anew, with promising hope for the future. It’s not going to be easy or quick…but if we ALL pull together we can overcome the country’s current problems. We need moderation from both sides to accomplish our common goals.
“CapnAmerica
Posted November 5, 2008 at 1:07 pm | Permalink
Okay, LJ,
The next time I pull a gun on somebody — when I’m 106 — I’ll make sure it’s loaded.”
You choice. Sheesh.
CapnAmerica,
I don’t know, it appears as if you will pull a gun on someone when deadly force is not even needed.
What next? Some neighborhood kids get into your yard trying to get their baseball and here is CapnAmerica on his balcony with a shotgun.
And people call me paranoid?
“We need moderation from both sides to accomplish our common goals.”
Good luck with that. We do, but politicians are about winning elections for “their side” first and about running the country second.
Monkeyhawk
Posted November 5, 2008 at 1:06 pm | Permalink
Once again, I’m reduced to merely –
Oh, my.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/palin-once-greeted-mccain_n_141394.html
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All I can say is lucky SOB’s.
Little tribute for Max and gang.
Ain’t got no money, but gots a gun,
I fought The One, and The One Won, I fought The One, and The One Won!
New question. Now that an African AMerican has been elected PResident, can we do away with the
“America is too rascist to every elect a black President”?
And now I discover that “rainbow-farting unicorn” was stolen from this –
http://www.jibjab.com/originals/time_for_some_campaignin
Gay is the new Black.
T-shirts on sale soon.
NO, bitch is the new black, or is it Black is the next president, Bitch!
Littlejohn,
It has only begun. I can hardly wait for 4 years of being told I am a racist everytime I disagree with Obama.
Joy.
Black is the next president, Bitch!
I fear you are correct, Nat. The race card came out earlyinthe election process and NEVER went back in the deck.
I have never seen so many liberals so focused on race. What does that say about their racist feelings?
But hey, Obama is going to give us all electric cars…
“SolDevVB” asks –
“Monkey,
What is your proper title now with the Obama victory? WE Blog’s _________________
Where do I pick up my robe?”
Sorry to get back to you late, “SolDevVB.” I slept in and woke up a little hungover from all of last night’s
riotingcelebrating.I am now your GRAND COMMISSAR! of WE BLOG NATION!!
(be sure to get the exclamation points right when addressing me)
And it’s not a “robe,” you dolt. It’s a Mao suit (complete with that cute little hat!)
I don’t have the distribution points all worked out. I drafted the cable guys to come pick ‘em up (since there’s no free enterprise left in America now that Obama’s been elected) but they promised to pick ‘em up sometime between 1 and 5 pm and haven’t arrived yet.
If you want to take some individual initiative (and be careful about that) just come by my garage and I’ll give you yours, along with your Little Red Book and your first lesson of re-education.
Thanks for asking.
(Anybody got a Bromo?)
Once again, I’m reduced to merely –
Oh, my.
I’m sure it had absolutely nothing to do with greed, MH. Simply her way of showing she’s a bigger maverick than McCain. What? Sarah Palin follow the rules or do what she’s told?! No! Mavericks don’t follow!
And we thought Bush needed his handlers. That was an understatement, especially as we learn about Palin. I hope the Republican party does fracture, with the religious right whackos forming their own party and naming Palin as their leader. At least then the real Republicans can take back their party and become the true conservatives they once were. I like a balance of libs and cons.
GRAND COMMISSAR! of WE BLOG NATION!!
All hail all hail.
Do I get to keep my job after my re-education or does the GRAND COMMISSAR! of WE BLOG NATION!! decide what our labors shall be henceforth?
Did I say congratulations yet oh great and wonderful GRAND COMMISSAR! of WE BLOG NATION!!
(Do I get any cheese points for being the first?)
Yes, Sol. Limberger/Limburger. Enjoy!!
The bacterium used to ferment Limburger cheese and other rind-washed cheeses is Brevibacterium linens; this same bacterium is found on human skin and is partially responsible for human body odor.
Limburger cheese and its characteristic odor are a frequent butt of jokes and gags. In 2006 a study showing that the malaria mosquito (Anopheles gambiae) is attracted equally to the smell of Limburger cheese and to the smell of human feet earned the Ig Nobel Prize in the area of biology.
(all of the above from Wikipedia)
Had to leave for a while and haven’t read all of the posts since my last one. The contention on the creationism thing, Nathan, is you and Hank’s time line. Saying the earth is no older than 10 thousand years flies in the face of carbon dating, which despite your objections, is well established by science and an accepted methodology.
“It has only begun. I can hardly wait for 4 years of being told I am a racist everytime I disagree with Obama.”
You Betcha!
Damn, guess I’ll pass on the points then. Dangit !!!
Palin in my opinion is the only one who kept it close.
The RR is the base of the party. The social libs can start their own party.
Ayers beliefs and how closely Obama’s may match were not addressed enough. He was, is and remains an issue.
Interesting that Gay Marriage was banned in 3 states that voted for Obama. Meaning the RR did not vote their conscience somewhere.
Pleefer,
In case you haven’t found it, here’s the best link for John Titor.
http://www.anomalies.net/object/titororiginalpost.html
There are others, but the above contains his actual posts.
This one summarizes the story.
http://www.johntitor.com/
Have fun!!
Gay is the new Black.
All too true. What a strange, mixed message they must be getting overseas. From The Guardian:
US election: California narrowly approves ban on same-sex marriage
On a night in which America elected its first minority president, California narrowly approved a ban on same-sex marriage, dashing the hopes of homosexuals who hoped the state would open the door for same-sex nuptials across the country.
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Voters in Arizona and Florida also approved a ban on gay marriage.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/05/uselections2008-gayrights-california-proposition-8
Steven,
Well established and accepted doesn’t mean it is true.
Either way, it is not a rejection of “science” as CapnAmerica tries to suggest.
It is a rejection of a very specific set of ideas in science related to the Earth and Evolution.
There are many other fields of science which I have no problem with.
Trying to claim that I reject science is the problem. I reject Evolution.
The RR may be the base of the party now, but it has made the party into the NeoCon fiasco we have today. Pres. Reagan unfortunately opened the door for the RR and they came rushing in and overwhelmed the party.
Conservatives believe in fiscal responsibility and small government. Have you seen that since Reagan?
The RR has no place in politics. Religion and government need not mix. Had the GOP maintained that line, remained conservative, we wouldn’t have what we have today. Defeat. Lost the white house. Lost Congress, and are hanging on to the senate by the skin of their teeth.
Nathan,
Where did the young earth theory originate? It is my understanding that ‘some guy’ tried to create a timeline from genesis. Shaky ground to say the least. Does the bible reference dinosaurs?
I’m not trying to poke fun by any means. I too am a creationist and believe in God. But the earth being 10,000 years old just doesn’t pass the logic test. For me anyway.
Just wondering where it came from and why you took it as truth.
LJ,
Perhaps we can change it. From the little I get to read, I take you for a moderate. It’s about working ‘across the aisle’, forget whatever party we are and start thinking about what’s best for everyone and the country. The failure to do that is what irks me most about politics. I care less about what party it is or who’s right or one specific topic. I ask myself what is the right thing to do and go with that. No one will ever think exactly like I do or agree with my ideas everytime, so it’s up to us to look at the big picture. Together we can do it!
SolDevVB,
You are not a “traditional” creationist then. What do you mean when you call yourself a creationist?
The Bible doesn’t reference many things. It does reference beasts here and there which one might assume could be a dinosaur, but nothing to obvious.
It comes from actually believing what the Bible says. I take it for truth because that is what the Bible says and it does pass the logic test for me.
It is my understanding that “some guy” tried to say that everything originated from one organism and “evolved” over time.
Then we came up with Evolution. Doesn’t pass the logic test for me.
Palin may still end up in jail (if Romney has his way)
NEWSWEEK has also learned that Palin’s shopping spree at high-end department stores was more extensive than previously reported. While publicly supporting Palin, McCain’s top advisers privately fumed at what they regarded as her outrageous profligacy. One senior aide said that Nicolle Wallace had told Palin to buy three suits for the convention and hire a stylist. But instead, the vice presidential nominee began buying for herself and her family—clothes and accessories from top stores such as Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus. According to two knowledgeable sources, a vast majority of the clothes were bought by a wealthy donor, who was shocked when he got the bill. Palin also used low-level staffers to buy some of the clothes on their credit cards. The McCain campaign found out last week when the aides sought reimbursement. One aide estimated that she spent “tens of thousands” more than the reported $150,000, and that $20,000 to $40,000 went to buy clothes for her husband. Some articles of clothing have apparently been lost. An angry aide characterized the shopping spree as “Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast,” and said the truth will eventually come out when the Republican Party audits its books.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/167581
Don’t piss off a Fox!
PRESCOTT, Ariz. (AP) – With a fox locked onto her arm, an Arizona jogger ran a mile to her car, where she was able to dislodge the animal, throw it into the trunk and drive to a Prescott hospital. The Yavapai County Sheriff’s Office said the fox, which later attacked an animal control officer, tested positive for rabies.
The unidentified Chino Valley resident told deputies she was on a trail Monday at the base of Granite Mountain when the fox attacked, biting her foot. The woman said she grabbed it by the neck when it went for her leg and it latched onto her arm.
Thinking the fox was rabid, she wanted to make sure it didn’t get away so she ran to her car, where she was able to pry open its jaws, wrap it in a sweat shirt and toss it into the trunk.
The woman is receiving rabies vaccinations, as is the animal control officer.
Fair enough. I’m not real concerned with being labeled by you with “traditional creationist”. I guess I didn’t read the guide book.
Creationist: One that believes the earth and all creations within were created by a divine being.
I believe God created the earth and everything in it. Including us. To think that a day to God is the Earth spinning on its axis one time is ludicrous to say the least. What is a day to God? Does God even measure time?
Again, I ask, do you know from whence the Young Earth theory came?
Hunter S. Thompson, September 1972:
The polls also indicate that Nixon will get a comfortable majority of the Youth Vote. And that he might carry all fifty states.
More at:
http://daringfireball.net/2008/11/the_fantastic_monument
Oh DO catch a rerun of Indecision 2008 if you can.
The original idea, I beleive, for the “young earth” theory starts with a Bishop James Ussher inthe 1700s. By using the geneologies listed in the Old and perhaps (I am not sure) New Testament
Obama wins and the markets head toward the crapper, again.
He dated “THE CREATION” around 4000 b.c.
BISHOP USSHER DATES THE WORLD: 4004 BC
James Ussher (1581-1656), Archbishop of Armagh, Primate of All Ireland, and Vice-Chancellor of Trinity College in Dublin was highly regarded in his day as a churchman and as a scholar. Of his many works, his treatise on chronology has proved the most durable.
Based on an intricate correlation of Middle Eastern and Mediterranean histories and Holy writ, it was incorporated into an authorized version of the Bible printed in 1701, and thus came to be regarded with almost as much unquestioning reverence as the Bible itself.
Having established the first day of creation as Sunday 23 October 4004 BC, by the arguments set forth in the passage below, Ussher calculated the dates of other biblical events, concluding, for example, that Adam and Eve were driven from Paradise on Monday 10 November 4004 BC, and that the ark touched down on Mt Ararat on 5 May 2348 BC `on a Wednesday’.
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/ussher.htm
Thank you both. I was under the impression that it was a new concept. Still lacking, in my opinion. Trying to date the earth by the genealogy of genesis doesn’t make much sense to me. Guess I don’t get my “Traditional Creationist” merit badge today. Sucks to be me.
A while ago, the enormity of it all washed over me.
8 years of bush and all of his awfulness is coming to an end.
A black man will be President instead of a woman who WOULD also have won.
This is the first day of a new and transformative time that people will remember and celebrate long after we are dead and gone.
I just threw back my head and laughed for ten minutes at the sheer joy of it all.
There ARE still friends left behind. A nation that still has a large population of people who would make laws to discriminate against others is a nation a LONG way from what it could be.
What it should be.
“This is not the end. This is not even the beginning of the end. But it is the end of the beginning.”
Winston Churchill
Sol, someone once posted about a Jewish researcher that placed the time of creation, based on biblical interpretation, very close to the scientific age of the Earth.
I cannot remember who posted this but they did link to a very interesting article. I found this theory to closely match my own beliefs on the creation timeline.
Who were The Nephilim mentioned in the bible? The Sons of the Gods who fell in love with the daughter’s of men…notice it said God(S) there.
“SolDevVB” sucks up –
(Not that there’s anything wrong with that)
GRAND COMMISSAR! of WE BLOG NATION!!
All hail all hail.
Do I get to keep my job after my re-education or does the GRAND COMMISSAR! of WE BLOG NATION!! decide what our labors shall be henceforth?”
You’re in trouble.
Since it’s actually The People’s Republic of WE Blog.”
I tricked you.
Off to the labor camps with you!
Ha!
(Do I get any cheese points for being the first?)
You’ll be lucky to get a slice of Velveeta per month.
(Unless, of course, you learn the tango.)
Looks like Obama is starting off on the proper foot as per decisions…
For the Pentagon, the transition effort begins with a “senior steering group” led by Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and all the undersecretaries of defense, the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. James Cartwright, and the service secretaries from Army, Navy, Marines, and the Coast Guard.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/05/president-elect-obama-faces-difficult-transition-period/
Robert Gates is a no-fu.ck-around guy and will do well on the steering group.
Anti,
Guess you don’t get your merit badge either.
:~b
MonkeyHa… er… Grand Comissi… $HIT!!!
GRAND COMMISSAR!
One.. two… cha cha cha… Is that it?
Monkeyhawk,
Who do I report my neighbors to when they speak poorly of “The One”?
mxyzptlk what is it with you and your hatred for Palin. She wasn’t your candidate. You didn’t contribute a dime to the RNC. She will go back to Alaska. When will you get over it? Cheeezzzzee
Anti I do remember this morning hearing BJ said that Hillary should have been ‘the one’. He even said he would be watching the elected ‘One’ to make sure he did the right things. I think the ‘One’ should know about this. It might be a sign of trouble to come from BJ.
Actually Steven,
Carbon dating can explain a 10,000 year old earth, scientifically. Carbon-14 is produced as a result of cosmic radiation. 6 carbon 14 has an unstable neutron to proton ratio and decays by beta to 7 nitrogen 14. In order to exist in the atmosphere the decay rate must excede the production rate. It is currently at equilibrium in the atmosphere because its production rate equals its decay rate.
If the earth was created approximately 10,000 years ago, there would be a period of time where the concentration of Carbon 14 was building up to equalibrium. (in my youth I knew the formula for determinng how long this would take. a few thousand years I would guess) During this time of build up to equalibrum carbon based life forms that died would be exponentially skewed as to their age.
Science is a search for the truth, if it is nothing else. If evolutionists insist on denying that there is a Truth then they have no way of accepting the possibility of devine intervention.
How sad.
The age of the earth has nothing to do with evolution, except that evolution probably couldn’t have occured in a 10,000 year time frame.
To believe that the earth, nay, the universe is only 10,000 years old is to willfully ignore the library shelves full of books on geology, scientific dating and astrophysics.
You simply can’t believe that science leads to verifiable conclusions and believe in a young universe at the same time.
I think the ‘One’ should know about this. It might be a sign of trouble to come from BJ.
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That low-class hate monger doesn’t have the ambition to cause ‘trouble’. Obama need not be worried.
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ANTI
Posted November 5, 2008 at 2:17 pm | Permalink
Sol, someone once posted about a Jewish researcher that placed the time of creation, based on biblical interpretation, very close to the scientific age of the Earth.
I cannot remember who posted this but they did link to a very interesting article. I found this theory to closely match my own beliefs on the creation timeline.
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Ben posted it. I have it on one of my computeres at home. Somewhere, maybe.
I’ll see if I can find it if Ben doesn’t give it to us again.
If the Earth is 10,000 or 10,000,000,000,000 years old, doesn’t really put any holes in my belief system.
Earth’s age is not a supporting column in the castle.
“You simply can’t believe that science leads to verifiable conclusions and believe in a young universe at the same time.”
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hehehehe
Sure you can!
Thanks Hank, I thought it was Ben but wasn’t certain.
“ANTI” asks a reasonable question –
“Monkeyhawk,
Who do I report my neighbors to when they speak poorly of “The One”?
Don’t worry about it, “ANTI.”
There’ll be no telephones for you at Gitmo.
(Oh. And your neighbors already reported you.)
You’ll have to shout louder “ANTI”.
We can’t hear you from way out there in the political wilderness.
There’ll be no telephones for you at Gitmo.
(Oh. And your neighbors already reported you.)
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Great, I need a vacation!!! I’ll get my sunglasses and swim trunks packed….and my lighter!!
BlueJay
Posted November 5, 2008 at 2:50 pm | Permalink
You’ll have to shout louder “ANTI”.
We can’t hear you from way out there in the political wilderness.
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Try opening your fukin ears…jackass!
I think you all are pretty funny for living in a state where you are further out in the wilderness (57/41 McCain) versus where Republicans stand nationally (52/46 Obama).
Cap’n Crunch for breakfast – with honey !!!
“Try opening your fukin ears”
Nah.
I’ll just wear ankle protection.
BlueJay
Posted November 5, 2008 at 2:56 pm | Permalink
“Try opening your fukin ears”
Nah.
I’ll just wear ankle protection.
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Try knee pads.
This election had by far the greatest turnout in American history. And it is due mostly to the excitement and inspiration created by the savior Barack Obama.
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That sounds reasonable, right? Based on what you have read and heard?
Only, it’s not true. MORE PEOPLE VOTED IN 2004 according to the figures I have seen.
Did the press define reality for you?
Please take a look for yourself. If I am in error, I will gladly admit it.
Outie,
I think you are wrong. Read it on Glenn Beck and don’t have the link anymore. But I could be mistaken as well.
I’m trying to figure that out too, OutLand.
It may be that Missouri and North Carolina haven’t been included in the totals yet.
But whether they have or haven’t, Obama still earned more votes than Bush did either time, almost 64 million to Bush’s 62 in 2004.
http://www.tim-thompson.com/radiometric.html
HLP . . . well, at least the kid comes by it naturally.
The real heart of the age-of-the-earth debate (if “debate” is the right word) is always radiometric dating. There are lots of ways to guesstimate ages, and geologists knew the earth was old a long time ago (and I might add that they were mostly Christian creationist geologists). But they didn’t know how old. Radiometric dating actually allows the measurement of absolute ages, and so it is deadly to the argument that the earth cannot be more than 10,000 years old.
Radiometric methods measure the time elapsed since the particular radiometric clock was reset. Radiocarbon dating, which is probably best known in the general public, works only on things that were once alive and are now dead. It measures the time elapsed since death, but is limited in scale to no more than about 50,000 years ago. Other methods, such as Uranium/Lead, Potassium/Argon, Argon/Argon and others, are able to measure much longer time periods, and are not restricted to things that were once alive. Generally applied to igneous rocks (those of volcanic origin), they measure the time since the molten rock solidified. If that happens to be longer than 10,000 years, then the idea of a young-Earth is called into question. If that happens to be billions of years, then the young-Earth is in big trouble.
As of January, 1999, The oldest rocks found on earth are 4.031 ± 0.003 billion years old (meaning it has been that long since the molten rocks solidified and thus reset their internal clocks). This is reported in the paper Priscoan (4.00-4.03 Ga) orthogneisses from northwestern Canada by Samuel A. Bowring & Ian S. Williams; Contributions to Mineralogy and Petrology 134(1): 3-16, January 1999. The previous record was 3.96 billion years, set in 1989.
The putative age of the Earth, about 4,500,000,000 years is based on the radiometrically measured age of meteorites, and is also about 500,000,000 years older than the oldest rocks. But regardless of the accuracy of this age for the earth, the existence of rocks circa 4,000,000,000 years old puts the squeeze on a 10,000 year old Earth.
So the natural response from a young-Earth perspective is to claim that radiometric dating is inaccurate or untrustworthy. Unfortunately, while the young-Earthers are long on criticism, they are short on support. It’s easy to assert that radiometric methods don’t work, but it’s quite another thing to prove it. This the young-Earth creationist regularly fails to do.
Much more at link.
http://www.tim-thompson.com/radiometric.html#reliability
Here’s a bunch of links on the reliability of the methodology.
Re: Proposition 8
CNN exit poll
Vote by Age
Yes No
18-29 (20%) 39 61
30-44 (28%) 55 45
45-64 (36%) 54 46
65+ (15%) 61 39
At least I can take comfort in the fact that this bigotry is temporary. Our age group isn’t afraid of The Gay stealing our marriage. It’s just a matter of time before they’re given the same rights and privileges as hetero married couples. I just wish we didn’t have to wait anymore.
There’s no question Obama’s campaign did a superior job in registering of new voter’s and rallying supporters to turnout.
Any campaign for any office in the future should look to the Obama strategies as a case study.
Capn’A,
Ole’ Timmy needs a beard trim and a refresher course on website design.
Hey Capn,
Thanks for the links. I appreciate the fact that you link to a website that is dedicated to ‘How to respond to creationists’.
However, I never bring up creation on the BLOG. I don’t bring up religion. I never bring up the fact that I consider myself to be a Christian. I will on occasion defend my faith if someone uses it to argue that I can’t have any credibility on ___________ (fill in the blank with the topic of your choice) because I’m a ‘young earth creationist’.
I have an aquiantance from church that has a Phd in geology. He has made a small fortune in the oil and gas industry. He is a evolution denying-young earth creationist. He claims the whole secret of creation and the time line simply comes down to rather Adam had a belly button or not.
If you don’t understand that I’ll be happy to explain over lunch and even buy. Hell, I’ll even leave all my guns at home. (well, at least in the truck)
There is LIGHT now reaching the Earth, that started out much longer than even a few million years ago…
The “young earth” superstitionists have to first explain away the ‘constant’ of the speed of Light… Thats pretty hard to do, even for the ‘young earth’ superstition party…
outlander posted November 5, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Only, it’s not true. MORE PEOPLE VOTED IN 2004 according to the figures I have seen.
Did the press define reality for you?
Please take a look for yourself. If I am in error, I will gladly admit it.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2004#Grand_total
Total 122,267,553
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008#Election_results
The voter turnout for this election was 64% by one calculation—the highest rate seen in 100 years.[82] However, as of 12 p.m. Eastern Time on November 5th, the total number of votes stands at only 120 million. Nonetheless, votes are still being tabulated, and estimates for turnout remain high. [83] One estimate, based on projections for uncounted and absentee votes, puts turnout at 136.6 million (64.1%).[84]
The “young earth” superstitionists have to first explain away the ‘constant’ of the speed of Light… Thats pretty hard to do, even for the ‘young earth’ superstition party…
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So, tell me Chas, reverand pastor of the church-of-what-feels-good-now, did Adam have a belly button?
(and did you know, the speed of light has been found to not be so constant?)
nitwit
Adam’s belly button, or lack thereof, has nothing to do with the speed of light, OR the age of the Universe and the Earth…
Care to try some other form of deflection??
And what happened to the speed of Light?? Did you reach out and slap it with a special Bible Verse???
Hank, do men have one less rib than women?
Re: Creationism vs the scientific community’s consensus:
To get a handle on the early date that Creationists use, try googling Bishop Ussher. He was a 17th century person who decided to work backwords from the time of Jesus to the biblical mention of the creation of the heavens & the earth. He assigned time periods to various events & came up with a starting date of Oct. 24, 40004 b.c. I have seen other starting dates, like one that was in September of 4004 b. c. So, many folks believe the earth is about 6000 years old.
The scientific community consensus is that it is about 4.5 billion years old.
I happen to believe that God was the instigator of the creation of the universe and that it took place over a long eons of time in an orderly progression. Genesis 1 talks about the oceans bringing forth swarms of life, followed by winged birds, followed by mammals, and then humankind. That isn’t too far off evolutionary theory as I understand it and believe in it.
Hank, I love the way you avoid the question on the speed of Light, by trying to claim that it has somehow “changed”… priceless diversionary tactic!! To bad it wont work in a science lab!! LOL
BTW, I wish Ben WOULD re-post that Hebrew article on Creation. IT was a very good article…
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Chas
Posted November 5, 2008 at 5:09 pm | Permalink
Hank, do men have one less rib than women?
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Adam has one less than Eve. (it’s in the book)
To learn about the “variable speed of light,” try googling that phrase.
But in my anatomy book men don’t…besides Adam HAD a belly button..it’s right there on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel!!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sistine_chapel
The Bible is a book of metaphors and great lessons…nothing more.
I think it’s really funny how Fox News is dissing Sara Palin now. I guess they need someone to blame for McCain’s failure.
Why did g@d allow Obama to win?
Nathaniel
Posted November 5, 2008 at 1:42 pm | Permalink
Steven,
Well established and accepted doesn’t mean it is true.
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Well, Nathan, you could say the same thing about us breathing Oxygen keeps us alive. That “theory” is well established and accepted, but it may not be true. Oh brother, is all I can say.
“Why did g@d allow Obama to win?”
Because God is good!
janeeyre >>>
The variable speed of light doesnt have any effect on what I posted concerning the Light just now reaching Earth from Millions of Light YEARS away!! Want to try more spinning?? :-)
“Re: Proposition 8
CNN exit poll
Vote by Age
Yes No
18-29 (20%) 39 61
30-44 (28%) 55 45
45-64 (36%) 54 46
65+ (15%) 61 39
“At least I can take comfort in the fact that this bigotry is temporary. Our age group isn’t afraid of The Gay stealing our marriage. It’s just a matter of time before they’re given the same rights and privileges as hetero married couples. I just wish we didn’t have to wait anymore.”
Agreed, but the numbers and percentages are more unfortunate than I would have hoped for the young boomer and Gen Ex voters. There will be an aging out of the population and the margin was close.
Furthermore, at some point, I would like to see the Obama campaign confront this uncomfortable little factoid:
“Exit polls for The Associated Press found that Proposition 8 received critical support from black voters who flocked to the polls to support Barack Obama for president. Blacks voted strongly in favor of the ban, while whites narrowly opposed it and Latinos and Asians were split.”
http://news.aol.com/elections/article/ballot-initiatives/237398?icid=100214839×1212961802x1200765997
Knowing that like any other group of people, African Americans are not monolithic, these African American voters need to be confronted with the cognitive dissonance of their actions here. When some of the old black preachers say “It’s not the same thing,” they are wrong. It is simple blind and reflexive prejudice in the name of traditional morality, period. And the traditional morality justification WAS used to justify segregation and banning interracial marriages. Those Obama voters should be ashamed of themselves, and in fact Obama, reflecting on the McClurkin incident and also on some of the different threads of African American cultures (theological conservatism and tough guy machismo), should have the courage to express regret that his candidacy many well have helped the righties get this through. He is not likely to do that, with his message of unity, but this is truly bigotry, pure and simple.
On the other hand, the best thing California could do is do away with their voter initiative system. It is a living testament as to the perils of simple majority rules democracy (where people vote to cut their taxes while encouraging their state to adopt expensive measures). There is a reason why you elect representatives.
And the Arkansas measure is simply the dumbest damn thing I’ve ever seen, and I feel sorry for their poor child protective services system. It’s bad enough down there without having this ludicrous rule to follow.
Nathan’s problem is that he believes in unbelievable things, so he must assume all things are possibly unbelievable, in my unwanted opinion, to maintain his belief system. It is a common error.
There are epistemological uncertainties at the core of all, but you have to temper it with common sense.
here’s what the real men are saying about the election
http://www.nicedoggie.net/2008/?p=2914#comments
About 62.5 percent of eligible voters — lower than in 1960 and 1964 — cast ballots. Absentee and mail-in ballots may increase the number and top 1964 but not, experts say, the high-water mark of 63.8 percent set by the 1960 Kennedy-Nixon contest.
Not bad, kids…
“Today we can observe galaxies 13 billion years old, that is, light already traveled 13 billion years before it reached us. If the universe were not expanding then light from those galaxies would have only needed 13 million years to reach us (ratio of distances might be 1000 times). For an observer on Earth the effective displacement of light is different than the total distance traveled by light (different than 13 billion years multiplied by 299792.458 km/sec). This is because the expansion of the universe is causing inbound light to be dragged away from us en route.
When those distant galaxies (13 billion light years away) first emitted this light they were receding from us at speeds greater than 299792.458 km/sec (faster than our local speed of light). However the expansion of the universe slowed down for the first 7 billion years. This gave light a chance to approach Earth. However the expansion of the universe has been accelerating for the last 7 billion years. This made those galaxies to recede away from us today at speeds again greater than 299792.458 km/sec. We are sure that galaxies 13 billion light years away today have recessional speeds greater than our local speed of light. If the universe continues to expand forever (first two scenarios) then light emitted today from those galaxies will not reach us in the future anymore (they will disappear from our sight).”
http://www.speed-light.info/
[Click Speed of Light, then Effective, on pull down menu on left side of the site]
Chas
Posted November 5, 2008 at 5:15 pm | Permalink
BTW, I wish Ben WOULD re-post that Hebrew article on Creation. IT was a very good article…
http://aish.com/societywork/sciencenature/Age_of_the_Universe.asp
PARIS — From the front lines of Iraq to more genteel spots like Harry’s Bar in Paris, the election of Barack Obama unlocked a floodgate of hope that a new American leader will redeem promises of change, rewrite the political script and, perhaps as important as anything else, provide a kind of leadership that will erase the bitterness of the Bush years.
Whether it was because of Mr. Obama’s youth, his race, his message or his manner, some European leaders abandoned diplomatic niceties to compete for extravagance in their praise, while others outside the United States — fascinated by an election that had been scrutinized around the globe — reached for their most telling comparisons.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/06/world/06worldreax.html?hp
“It’s kind of nice to feel good about the United States again,” said Armando Díaz, 24, a bookkeeper in Caracas, Venezuela, where Enrique Cisneros, a storekeeper summed it up like this: “A few hours ago, the world felt like a different place.”
“I have an aquiantance from church that has a Phd in geology. He has made a small fortune in the oil and gas industry. He is a evolution denying-young earth creationist.”
Really, Hank.
Is his name Dennis Hedke?
THANKS much Ben!! I appreciate that… It is an extremely GOOD article!!
Really, Hank.
Is his name Dennis Hedke?
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LOL, no.
I think Dennis is a republican, but I didn’t know he was a geologist!
Percentage of eligible voters that voted for President on Nov 4, 2008:
67%
Obama votes 63,893,037 52% approx
McCain votes 56,404,917 46% approx
This means that about 33% of the eligible voters didn’t vote for President. How many voters is that?
Eligible voters in the USA (registered or not):
180,000,000 approx
Eligible voters who didn’t vote (whether they choose not to vote or didn’t register):
60,148,977 approx 33.3% approx
Obama votes from eligible voters 35.5% approx
McCain votes from eligible voters 31.1% approx
Neither a landslide or a mandate!
You can check my numbers, but I believe that is correct!
I’ve been mostly disappointed with Harry Reid as Senate majority leader.
I wonder if we don’t have someone better for that job. Like maybe Senator Hillary Clinton?
Hank claims
“and did you know, the speed of light has been found to not be so constant?”
Sure, if you technology in a laboratory setting to slow down the speed of light but if you refer to light traveling in the vacuum of space then it remains constant. So no Hank, the speed of light remains constant when determining the age of the universe.
“Neither a landslide or a mandate!”
That’s a wish, right?
President Obama will have at least a TWO YEAR honeymoon with a friendly Congress EAGER to get things done. The cons can ill afford to mount whatever resistance they still can to thwart efforts to fix the broken country. THEY are in enough trouble as it is.
American posted November 5, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Neither a landslide or a mandate!
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Is reality too complicated for you to understand, “American”?
If you do NOT vote, your opinion is NOT counted.
“Neither a landslide or a mandate!”
Kinda like the number of cars available to drive on the road means you’re never in a traffic jam since less than 1% of the cars available are slowing down traffic.
Or better yet, we know there are billions of planets in the cosmos. We know that only one of those planets actually contain life. So from all the planets the average of known life is practically zero therefore we can safely assume that we don’t exist.
The fact is that this election turnout reversed a FORTY-FOUR YEAR DECLINE in voter numbers. This is a good thing for a democracy.
An Optimist’s Anthem
words and music by Kelly Mulhollan
>snip<
Well the answer my friend is still blowing in the wind, more like a storm.
Yes, it’s true the task is daunting, so much suffering, so much wanting.
So much damage has been done, by the dollar, by the gun.
But in the task that looms before us lies the answer we are searching for
it’s in the work of mankind and there’s plenty of that work for us to do…
YEAH, WE CAN HAVE OUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO!
It’s true mankind must work but that work can have a purpose
we can set upon the daunting task of fixing what is broken.
We’ll rewrite the world with power grids that don’t destroy the earth,
bring an end to war and hunger and pay workers what they’re worth.
And the awesome power of doing good will be loosed upon the world
touching every man and woman, touching every boy and girl.
And there won’t be need for songs that paint the failure of mankind
‘cuz a new song will be ringing in the freedom of our mind!
http://www.acousticpie.com/Music/Optimists.mp3
Joe Poznanski of the Kansas City Star and Sports Illustrated is one of my favorite writers. Not just a favorite sports writer; a great writer period.
And I feel blessed to have known and met with Buck O’Neil many times… at the first meeting to organize the Negro Leagues Museum in Kansas City, next to him behind the plate in Royals Stadium, at Ruby’s Soul Food restaurant, and Arthur Bryant’s Barbecue….
This is a good read.
http://tinyurl.com/5trjf4
And Poznanski’s book, “The Soul of Baseball” will make you laugh and cry and generally a better person.
The FACT is that approx 33% of the eligible voters didn’t vote!
Shoot, some emerging democratic countries in the world have greater turnout of eligible voters than that!
And Saddam Hussein always won by 99%…
Bush got 50,999,897 votes in 2000
Bush got 62,040,610 votes in 2004
Bushies claimed a “Mandate”
President-Elect Obama received 62,704,84 votes yesterday, but I guess the black man don’t get no damn mandate!!!! WHhahahahaahah!!!
“American” –
Torture the numbers long enough and they’ll confess to anything.
How many people who are “eligible” (i.e., 18 years old and citizens) are developmentally disabled (okay, most Republic Party candidates, perhaps)? Or suffer from dementia such as Alzheimer’s? Or are bedridden? Or are down with the flu on election day? Or are incarcerated?
Or just don’t give a damn? (Which is a vote; albeit tacit.)
I didn’t vote for my county’s Register of Deeds, for example. I don’t give a damn who registers deeds. So whomever was elected Register of Deeds is fine with me; maybe some people for whom the office is important know better than I do.
In 2004, George WMD Bush won a reported 2% edge in the popular vote and strutted around the next day about his huge mandate and “political capital.”
Barack Obama earned more votes yesterday than any president in the history of the republic.
That says a lot more than your silly spamming cut-and-post.
When you get to the bottom line, which is all that matters….
Obama >>>> 52%
McCain >>>> 46%
Pretty firm mandate… Those who dont vote, dont get counted… nuff said
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Winning 51 percent of the popular vote in Tuesday’s election , Bush administration officials were quick to declare that the results constitute a “mandate” for Bush’s second term.
In the current election, Obama received 62,704,84 vote total and 52% of the popular vote to John McCain’s 55,563,444 vote total and 46% of the vote.
LOL. President-elect Obama don’t need no stinkin’ mandate!. He’s got brains.
oh Linda. an embedded mp3!! congrats – you bit shuffling keyboard monkey!!!!
Test Test
This ought to pretty much tell California where to stick their Proposition 8 >>>>
“June 12, 1967 Decided: Loving v. Virginia
A Virginia law against interracial marriages was struck down, with the Supreme Court declaring that marriage is a “fundamental civil right” and that decisions in this arena are not those with which the State can interfere unless they have good cause.”
http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/phil/blphil_eth_gaym_chron.htm [On AOL]
Chas, I wasn’t responding to any post by you when I mentioned googling variable light speed. Somewhere in this string of over 300 posts, someone else brought up the subject; so who is doing the spinning? Not I.