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Those pesky scientists are at it again providing evidence for the irrefutable fact of evolution by discovering an ancestor of the turtle from 220 million years ago (well past the creationist’s claim that the Earth is 6,000 years old). The creationist’s response, merely whining.
How the turtle got its shell
The discovery, in China, of the oldest known turtle fossil has turned palaeontologists’ understanding of the species’ origin and ecology on its head.
The fossil of Odontochelys semitestacea was found in sediments deposited in the Nanpanjiang Trough Basin and dates back 220 million years — around 14 million years older than previous fossils found in Germany.
The find suggests that turtles evolved in a marine environment. The oldest turtle fossils previously found are thought to be from land-based animals, which led scientists to conclude that turtles evolved in a terrestrial environment.
More real science that disproves creationism at:
http://www.nature.com/news/2008/081126/full/news.2008.1260.html
A thought occured to me recently … or perhaps a musing, while watching late evening TV about nothing of interest.
How about putting an ink blot on the blog and asking WE Bloggers to respond with first thoughts that come to mind. A kind of modified Rorschach Ink Blot Test.
This might provide a way to evaluate the thinking styles of WE bloggers and also the EAGLE’S
remaining opinion editors. Some bloggers have wondered if EAGLE opinion editors are right or left or inconsistently leap back and forth in their thinking.
Perhaps bloggers who would be expected to see an elephant would actually see a donkey. Perhaps some who would be expected to see a six billion
year old Earth would instead see a 6,000 year old Earth with man and dinosaurs amiably co-existing except at suppertime. Perhaps some bloggers who present themselves as Wichitans would be revealed to be inside the beltway opinion makers and shakers.
Just a thought … perhaps better left unstated while waiting for the sun to rise this so-called “black shopping Friday.”
jwink it is an egg McMuffin…an egg McMuffin… an egg McMuffin oh wait a minute I am just hungry!
Maggie: How does that provide evidence of commons descent? Sorry, speculation is not evidence.
But post away, the articles on fossil finds are interesting.
34 year old Wal mart worker trampled to death by “Black Friday” shoppers.
Happy freakin’ holidays.
Rosie’s show bombed!
Ha freakin’ Ha, more lib failure!
What in the hell is wrong with people?
“BY JOE GOULD
DAILY NEWS WRITER
Updated Friday, November 28th 2008, 10:19 AM
A Wal-Mart store was the scene of chaos this morning. Anderson/News
A Wal-Mart store was the scene of chaos this morning.
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A worker died after being trampled and a woman miscarried when hundreds of shoppers smashed through the doors of a Long Island Wal-Mart Friday morning, witnesses said.
The unidentified worker, employed as an overnight stock clerk, tried to hold back the unruly crowds just after the Valley Stream store opened at 5 a.m.
Witnesses said the surging throngs of shoppers knocked the man down. He fell and was stepped on. As he gasped for air, shoppers ran over and around him.
“He was bum-rushed by 200 people,” said Jimmy Overby, 43, a co-worker. “They took the doors off the hinges. He was trampled and killed in front of me. They took me down too…I literally had to fight people off my back.”
Nassau County Police are still investigating and would not confirm the witness accounts. The Medical Examiner will determine the cause of death. Police did say there were several injuries but weren’t more specific.
Jessica Keyes was among the shoppers. She told the Daily News she saw a woman knocked down just a few feet from the dying worker.
“When the paramedics came, she said ‘I’m pregnant,’” Keyes said.
Paramedics treated the woman inside the store and then, according to Keys, told the woman:
“There’s nothing we can do. The baby is gone.”
Before police shut down the store, eager shoppers streamed past emergency crews as they worked furiously to save the store clerk’s life.
“They were working on him, but you could see he was dead, said Halcyon Alexander, 29. “People were still coming through.”
Only a few stopped.
My, my –
The CONs seem to be particularly cranky this morning.
Only a few stopped.
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That is sick!
NEVER shop on Black friday
The CONs seem to be particularly cranky this morning.
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I am in a fantastic mood, Monkeyhawk.
(Still Digesting..)
My, my, that’s good for Wal-Street.
I’m trying to think what there is that they could sell cheap or give away that I would literally trample another human being to get at.
Hell, there weren’t even any “door busters” good enough to make me stand in line, let alone KILL for.
More? The Wal mart where it happened is shut down. Gonna be a red Friday for them.
Hell, there weren’t even any “door busters” good enough to make me stand in line, let alone KILL for.
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No kidding, it’s madness!
I would rather spend a month in a Mexican prison than go shopping today!
You know, perhaps there needs to be some new rules for Black Friday. Something like, if you run, you’ll not get the discount. If you shove, you’ll be arrested for battery.
Or perhaps we should do away with black friday altogethter.
This hasn’t just happened at walmart, seems every year there are a number of reports.
The Iraqi parliament has voted us off the island:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/28/world/middleeast/28iraq.html?_r=2&hp
” It also sets out a timetable requiring American troops to withdraw from cities and towns by June 30, 2009, and for all troops to leave the country by the end of 2011 unless the Iraqis and Americans negotiate a separate pact to extend the American military presence.”
Now John McCain just has to share how he knows how to get Osama bin Laden and President Obama will be able to concentrate on the economy.
“Maggie: How does that provide evidence of commons descent? Sorry, speculation is not evidence.
But post away, the articles on fossil finds are interesting.”
Fossils show developmental changes, common descent is proven by DNA.
Similarity in DNA is possibly evidence of common ancestry, or it is just no more than evidence that the organisms look a lot alike? Or evidence of a common designer?
Lack of transitional fossils was recognized by Darwin as one of his theory’s greatest weaknesses.
To those who accept Evolutionary theory:
“What, in your opinion, would be required to prove that Evolutionary theory is not true?”
‘Heartland Institute’s “Journalist Guide on Global Warming Experts” Misguided’
http://www.desmogblog.com/heartland-institutes-journalist-guide-global-warming-experts-misguided
“One such free-market champion, the Heartland Institute has sent out a “Journalist’s Guide to Global Warming Experts” in the hopes that somehow journalists will be fooled into thinking that the list they have been provided is “the nation’s leading experts on climate change and related topics.”
Nation’s leading experts in global warming?
It’s amazing what will pass for an expert these days. Well, at least by the Heartland Institute’s standards, which include:
…
Dennis Avery, think tank fellow for the Hudson Institute, who once argued that:
“.. organic farming would produce more cancer, not less,” because, “…it’s hard to get kids to eat shabby-looking produce.”
…
These guys are about as expert in the science of global warming as I am in knitting sweaters. At the least, they sure as heck aren’t the nation’s leading experts.
The list goes on and on and you can check out our comprehensive research database to cross-reference more names. And if you are media and if you are looking for a comprehensive list of the climate change denial industry, than look no further than the Heartland Institute’s guide.”
Nathaniel
Posted November 28, 2008 at 12:18 pm | Permalink
To those who accept Evolutionary theory:
“What, in your opinion, would be required to prove that Evolutionary theory is not true?”
Sorry Nathan, there is now way to prove that “Evolutionary theory is not true”.
Accept evolution as the fact it is.
You sure cannot “prove” your creationist stories.
The fact that it IS a theory?
Anyone else?
Theory doesn’t equal fact.
Same question to the others who accept Evolutionary theory as true:
What, in your opinion, would be required to prove that Evolutionary theory is not true?”
Your lame attempt to use “logic” to disprove what you cannot accept is pointless Nathan.
Give it up.
http://www.allianceforscience.org/files/active/0/zimmerman.ppt
This is worth looking at….
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Maggotpunk
Posted November 28, 2008 at 10:59 am | Permalink
“Maggie: How does that provide evidence of commons descent? Sorry, speculation is not evidence.
But post away, the articles on fossil finds are interesting.”
Fossils show developmental changes, common descent is proven by DNA.
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Fossils are giving forth life now?
What would be required to prove that evolutionary theory is not true?
Easy.
That the earth was only 10,000 years old, instead of 4.5 BILLION years old.
Or that the fossils all formed at about the same time, no matter how complex the life-form–if microbe fossils were the same age as fish fossils and mammel fossils for instance.
Instead, we find that the microbe fossils are much older and mammel fossils only go back for a much shorter time.
Or if one found complex animals that seemed to have no predecessors. For instance, dogs have two eyes and four legs (appendages). So do cats, horses, pigs, whales, cows, crows, eagles, hippos, sparrows, mice, goats, and duck billed platypi.
We don’t find any complex animals with six eyes using wheels instead of legs.
QUESTION for the CONs–
Now that you’ve gone through the five stages of grief:
Denial
Anger
Barganing
Depression
and
Acceptance,
let’s take a hard look at all the statements that you made in months past–
“The polls are wrong.”
“The media claims Obama is winning, but he’s not.”
“If Obama wins, we’ll be praying to Mecca five times a day and your wife will be wearing a burkah.”
“Obama is a Marxist who will bring socialism to America.”
******
Anyone care to admit they were wrong then and that maybe their bleak assessment of life under Obama won’t be any more accurate?
Anyone care to admit they were wrong then and that maybe their bleak assessment of life under Obama won’t be any more accurate?
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We have not experienced life under Obama.
You’re kidding, right, CapN???
Some of the Drooling Mic Radio shows are still broadcasting that there is to be some SCOTUS conference, headed by Justice Thomas, to determine the “birthplace” of Obama… to be allegedly held next Friday, Dec. 5
Chas, what are the names of the ‘many of the 14? pardoned that were tied to the S&L scandal?
“Similarity in DNA is possibly evidence of common ancestry, or it is just no more than evidence that the organisms look a lot alike? Or evidence of a common designer?
Lack of transitional fossils was recognized by Darwin as one of his theory’s greatest weaknesses.”
Similarity in DNA is evidence of common ancestry, there is no evidence that living being were designed by another living being. As for transitional fossils there are plenty, one example is mentioned on the top of this forum. I’m thinking you must bad memory because you mentioned it before, then you forgot all about it.
Darwin was quite confident there would be fossil evidence that would support his theory. 150 years after publication of Origin of Species scientists have discovered numerous transitional fossils to confirm the irrefutable fact of evolution.
The only scientific evidence that is lacking is the evidence that supports the myth of creationism. There is none, unless you count constant whining by creationists evidence.
150 years after publication of Origin of Species scientists have discovered numerous transitional fossils to confirm the irrefutable fact of evolution.
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Why is it still a theory?
Anti whines:
“Why is it still a theory?”
Why wouldn’t it be?
It’s the scientific definition of a theory, Anti.
In layman’s speech, it’s a “model” that continues to be refined.
Darwin couldn’t have known about DNA for instance, but we do and it corroborates and refines the evolutionary model.
In fact it predicts things like the concept of “selfish genes.”
Why wouldn’t it be?
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But you said it was an irrefutable fact. So why is it still a theory?
How airplanes fly is also a “theory.”
In other words, the physics of it still are not completely understood, and refinement of the model can take place.
But airplanes do fly nonetheless.
Anti whines:
“But you said it was an irrefutable fact. So why is it still a theory?”
It is both. Gravity and the laws of motions are irrefutable facts and well as theories. If you disagree then, by all means, jump in front of a moving bus or jump off a grain elevator. While you do it just remark to yourself it’s just a theory.
Calling evolution an “irrefutable fact” is essentially correct.
If it were refutable, it would have been refuted by now.
I am not disagreeing with anything. I am trying to understand the difference between fact and theory.
“I am not disagreeing with anything. I am trying to understand the difference between fact and theory.”
How could you have possibly graduated from high school without being taught what a theory is? No wonder Americans are far behind the rest of the world in scientific literacy (then again, half our population are creationists, that’s just sad).
How could you have possibly graduated from high school without being taught what a theory is?
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A theory is not necessarily a fact.
Oh, so this is what the Christmas spirit is all about:
“Worker dies at Long Island Wal-Mart after being trampled in Black Friday stampede”
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2008/11/28/2008-11-28_worker_dies_at_long_island_walmart_after.html
Is this why the fundies are so zealous about demanding I celebrate Christmas, they just want more and more violence in the quest for material possessions? Just tag on my list another reason why I don’t need religion.
“A theory is not necessarily a fact.”
Do you even know what a theory is? If it’s your goal to convince me you’ve never graduated from high school then you are doing quite well.
Maggot, How does theory equal a fact? Are all theories a fact? You are so smart, please explain.
Anti whines:
“Maggot, How does theory equal a fact? Are all theories a fact? You are so smart, please explain.”
Okay, you didn’t graduate from high school, that probably explains why you are a creationist. A theory is a collection of facts organized in order to make predictions on future phenomena. So the irrefutable fact of evolution is also a theory.
Maggot can’t explain it.
He He he
In science the word theory is not a synonym of “fact”. For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet but we invoke theories of gravity to explain this occurrence. However, even inside the sciences the word theory picks out several different concepts dependent on the context. In casual speech scientists don’t use the term theory in a particularly precise fashion, allowing historical accidents to determine whether a given body of scientific work is called a theory, law, principle or something else. For instance Einstein’s relativity is usually called “the theory of relativity” while Newton’s theory of gravity often is called “the law of gravity.” In this kind of casual use by scientists the word theory can be used flexibly to refer to whatever kind of explanation or prediction is being examined. It is for this instance that a scientific theory is a claim based on a body of evidence.
-wiki
Gay marriage good for the economy of those states which legalized gay marriage.
http://pageoneq.com/news/2008/Califloses11281008.html
No surprise the Republicans in Kansas, who voted with Fred Phelps, to oppose marriage, helped deal a financial blow to the state. With all the gay couples that want to get married imagine the revenue from the weddings and tourist dollars from couples coming to Kansas to get married. But I never accused Republicans of being smart on the economy.
In science the word theory is not a synonym of “fact”.
Oops, I should have said conservative instead of Republican since there are some moral Republicans who support marriage.
Anti whines
“In science the word theory is not a synonym of “fact”.”
How about you go back and get an education. Your creationist whining is getting annoying. If the irrefutable fact of evolution is not a fact then perhaps you could present something that challenges it? Of course not, creationists can only whine, as I have previously stated. Thanks for proving me right.
Further reading for anti and his fellow whiners:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html
Your creationist whining is getting annoying.
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I have said nothing of Creationism. Sorry my simple challenge has upset you into name calling rants.
I will try not to challenge your one thought mind, as to not hurt your ego.
Anti whines
“In science the word theory is not a synonym of “fact”.”
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That was from wiki, not me. Try reading.
“I will try not to challenge your one thought mind, as to not hurt your ego.”
I doubt you could try. Creationists just whine, keep on whining away.
I wouldn’t call theory a group of facts.
I would generally classify theory as a group of observations that are testable utilizing certain paradigms generally accepted by science (for example).
Facts assume that something is already settled under certain conditions or by certain methods. Theories are not necessarily “settled.”
The premise of a theory is to prove something by various methods. Conclusions may be drawn after the theory is proven or disproved, but generally theory and facts do not go together as it in line with scientific method.
Hope that made sense, having a brain “fart” moment…darn stroke…
Maggot —
Re: ANTI
DNFTT
You sound like the whiner around here maggot.
“That was from wiki, not me. Try reading.”
It’s from you unless you quote a source. Or are you saying you just like to steal other people’s work without giving them credit. Yup, are you a fundy too?
“ANTI” regurgitates –
“A theory is not necessarily a fact.”
Ignorance and arrogance.
That’s what you CONs specialize in.
You don’t know what you’re talking about and you refuse to shut up.
I could rehash all the facts surrounding the term “theory” as it relates to science but you’d still think a “theory” is somebody’s wild-ass conjecture and no about of explaining will sink in for you.
You’re like a three-year-old who constantly asks “Why?”
“It’s only a ‘theory!’ ranks right up there with the CON in this forum who stated they would not check out a source I posted because, “…everyone knows ‘tinyurl.com’ is a liberal website!”
Sometimes you CONs aren’t simply worth the bother. But you so insist on bothering.
Anyone-
Re: Chas
DNFTDA
It’s from you unless you quote a source.
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I did, dumb ass.
“You sound like the whiner around here maggot.”
Oops, Anti is whining again. You know how not to whine? Argue science instead of the definition of words. Oh wait, you’re a creationist, you don’t have science on your side. I guess that’s why you have to whine all the time like the whining, illiterate baby you are.
Here ya go whiner-
ANTI
Posted November 28, 2008 at 3:04 pm | Permalink
In science the word theory is not a synonym of “fact”. For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet but we invoke theories of gravity to explain this occurrence. However, even inside the sciences the word theory picks out several different concepts dependent on the context. In casual speech scientists don’t use the term theory in a particularly precise fashion, allowing historical accidents to determine whether a given body of scientific work is called a theory, law, principle or something else. For instance Einstein’s relativity is usually called “the theory of relativity” while Newton’s theory of gravity often is called “the law of gravity.” In this kind of casual use by scientists the word theory can be used flexibly to refer to whatever kind of explanation or prediction is being examined. It is for this instance that a scientific theory is a claim based on a body of evidence.
-wiki
Argue science instead of the definition of words.
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Ya, cause’ words mean so little…Dumb ass.
“I did, dumb ass.”
Try doing it properly next time whiner. Still waiting on that science? Oh wait, you can’t because you never graduated from high school so you wouldn’t understand science if someone slapped you in the face with it. Get an education loser.
You are boring me maggot, you inspire little discussion.
“You are boring me maggot, you inspire little discussion.”
Yup, typical creationist, all whining and no science. Typical, sadly typical.
you can’t because you never graduated from high school so you wouldn’t understand science if someone slapped you in the face with it. Get an education loser.
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HA HA!!! Ah, how little you know about me, Maggot.
LOL
BTW, when was it that I said I was a Creationist?
Anti, I know you are scientifically illiterate and failed to learn basic concepts that are taught in grammar school. What else am I missing out on? Oh yeah, you can’t debate the scientific evidence that supports creationism because there is none. Instead you just whine and manage to constantly prove my prediction, that creationists will whine, correct.
You want to hate religion maggot, it’s your business.
No one is demanding you celebrate Christmas.
I seriously doubt the morons up at 5am to shop and stampede to the $25 TV recognize the purpose of the season approaching.
Oh yeah, you can’t debate the scientific evidence that supports creationism because there is none. Instead you just whine and manage to constantly prove my prediction, that creationists will whine, correct.
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How have I challenge evolution?
How have I argued for Creationism?
Is your confusion related to your homosexuality?
uh, ‘challenged’
“You want to hate religion maggot, it’s your business.
No one is demanding you celebrate Christmas.
I seriously doubt the morons up at 5am to shop and stampede to the $25 TV recognize the purpose of the season approaching.”
Sure they are. I’ve been blamed for the financial problem and the moral decent of the nation. Apparently there’s this war on Christmas that I’m supposed to be fighting as if I’m some Puritan trying to abolish a blatant Pagan holiday. How else do fanatics win a culture war unless the other side surrenders and joins in your silly celebrating of worshiping a myth?
Capnamerica: I recall reading some years ago that the Air Force Academy had “proven” bees can’t fly.
Anti whines:
“Is your confusion related to your homosexuality?”
Getting you upset gets you to fantasize that I’ll engage in homosexual sex with you? Perv.
This would be a “short list” that would have some tie-ins to the S & L scandal…
_Carey C. Hice Sr. of Travelers Rest, S.C., who was convicted of income tax evasion.
_Geneva Yvonne Hogg of Jacksonville, Fla., convicted of bank embezzlement.
_William Hoyle McCright Jr. of Midland, Texas, who was convicted of bank fraud.
_Paul Julian McCurdy of Sulphur, Okla., who was sentenced for misapplication of bank funds.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081125/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_pardons;_ylt=Agt5ey.7eatsPSioYldqM6sGw_IE
Well Maggot,
I’m off to create a meeting between free range flesh and my freezer. That takes precedent over laughing at your convoluted logic.
Enjoy the afternoon!
Anti whines:
“I’m off to create a meeting between free range flesh and my freezer. That takes precedent over laughing at your convoluted logic.”
First you want to have sex with me, now it’s some meat you packed in your freezer. Weirdo.
Sorry Maggot, you’re not my type. You are male(?)
Hopefully I didn’t damage your ego to much.
See ya later, Maggot.
LOL
“I’ve been blamed for the financial problem and the moral decent of the nation.”
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Man, you must be one bad dude, Maggie. But I do agree with you that this country is in moral descent.
Speaking of descent, common descent theory is simply science’s best guess to explain how we got here without invoking the supernatural. (God) It is not proven.
“Hopefully I didn’t damage your ego to much.”
Yes Anti, you broke my heart, now I’m going to drown my sorrows with heaps of liquor and gay porn until I forget this scar you left on my dreams and my ego will eventually get repaired.
“This would be a “short list” that would have some tie-ins to the S & L scandal…”
You have got to be kidding, how do any of these tie to the S&L problem?
“Speaking of descent, common descent theory is simply science’s best guess to explain how we got here without invoking the supernatural. (God) It is not proven.”
Apart from the fact common descent has been proven through study of DNA you may have a point. Nobody in the scientific field, worth their salt, would invoke a supernatural explanation unless they wanted to get laughed at. The religious can’t even agree on what god is the true one.
What is truth?
What is belief?
What is is?
Chass the dates of these crimes are so far removed from the S&L debacle how in the world do you get a tie in from this.
Concentrate! Make a connection. I’ll wait.
“Man, you must be one bad dude, Maggie. But I do agree with you that this country is in moral descent.”
There was an editorial recently in the Wall Street Journal which said the financial problem was because Atheists don’t say “Merry Christmas”. The WSJ is owned by Rupert Murdoch, so they don’t have much credibility anyway.
I don’t see the nation in moral decline. The nation has repealed many social ills of the past when the nation was more religious. The entire founding of the nation was a break away from the old moral tradition of kings and serfs. Rape is no longer legal, neither is genocide, slavery, racial and sex discrimination, etc. There are still problems like discrimination based upon sexual orientation, exploitation of labor, pollution but many in society fight against it. I suppose it’s all where you stand. Those who want to return to the days where slaughtering Native Americans was a past time, apartheid, women kept in their place, etc. then the nation can be seen going down the moral sewer. However, when I see more freedom I see a better, more moral society. That’s why I and religious fundamentalists rarely agree.
with the exception of religious freedom of course.
Those who want to return to the days where slaughtering Native Americans was a past time, apartheid, women kept in their place, etc. then the nation can be seen going down the moral sewer. However, when I see more freedom I see a better, more moral society. That’s why I and religious fundamentalists rarely agree.
Well put, Maggie.
“Concentrate! Make a connection. I’ll wait.”
OK, I think it is going to be a very long wait.
Anti: “Fact” is what most people accept to be true in a language they all accept. It is an agreement in opinion that can be verified as a basic of life. If enough people have the same opinion, the topic becomes a fact. While that process of opinion making exists, it is called a theory/thesis until an antithesis can arise to verify it’s existence. The more a theory withstands a challenge based on the language of its presentaion, the closer it comes to fact. We know enough people have seen and verifed some evolution of physical life (breeding animales comes to mind) that the topic is a fact, not a theory. Evolution exists in opinion, governance, humor, religion and in all things so to deny it does not extend to the physical world is a non-starter. The trick is to see how much of evolution can be digested without upsetting society at large.
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Rage
Posted November 28, 2008 at 3:50 pm | Permalink
Those who want to return to the days where slaughtering Native Americans was a past time, apartheid, women kept in their place, etc. then the nation can be seen going down the moral sewer. However, when I see more freedom I see a better, more moral society. That’s why I and religious fundamentalists rarely agree.
Well put, Maggie.
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Well put what?
That Maggot can put together disjointed events and thoughts in a paragraph?
Hell, anyone can do that.
Let’s see, Amelia Earhardt and Mengele’s experiments on pregnant women. The blizzard of ‘01 and people dieing of their in the Sahara.
wow…
So after 200 million years a “turtle” is still a “turtle.”
Well, that pretty much “PROVES” the evolution theory.
Thanks “puke”
OK thats the last time I try to post anything of interest on this stupid, pitiful Blog, unless it comes from Reich Wing, podunk experts, like Rupert Murdoch, or Washington times, or some other hay seed publication…. All it does is confuse the CONS
Chas I read your link. No where did I see anything that resembled a link to the S&L. Please let me know what I missed.
“Obama on Supreme Court appointments: “We need somebody who’s got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it’s like to be a young teenage mom.”
“The empathy to understand what it’s like to be poor, or African-American, or gay, or disabled, or old. And that’s the criteria by which I’m going to be selecting my judges.”
What happened to picking justices who would look at laws and make sure they are being followed. Is the role of the justices to write law? What exactly is the role of the SCOTUS?
okobserver
Posted November 28, 2008 at 5:19 pm | Permalink
“Obama on Supreme Court appointments: “We need somebody who’s got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it’s like to be a young teenage mom.”
“The empathy to understand what it’s like to be poor, or African-American, or gay, or disabled, or old. And that’s the criteria by which I’m going to be selecting my judges.”
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Chuckle… Let’s see. By that criteria I’m thinking that Richard Simmons has a real shot.
“Chuckle… Let’s see. By that criteria I’m thinking that Richard Simmons has a real shot.”
You’re right. Except for the poor, African-American, disabled or old part. One out of five is something.
okobserver
Posted November 28, 2008 at 5:19 pm | Permalink
“Obama on Supreme Court appointments: “We need somebody who’s got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it’s like to be a young teenage mom.”
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Yeah, spreading your legs at a young age without protection and common sense always went together.
:roll:
““Obama on Supreme Court appointments: “We need somebody who’s got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it’s like to be a young teenage mom.””
Howza ’bout a justice who doesn’t make law out of whole papyrus?
The key word in the Obama quote is empathy.
RepubliCONs don’t know what it is . . .
Actually, Obama was not specifically referring to Supreme Court Justices but judicial appointments in general.
“Actually, Obama was not specifically referring to Supreme Court Justices but judicial appointments in general.”
Isn’t that the distinction without the difference?
“The key word in the Obama quote is empathy.”
We are all for that. What it has to do with Constitutional Law, I don’t know.
We already have Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. (Pursuit of Happiness changing to the GUARANTEE of Happiness in LibWorld).
Is there some difference, other than semantic between an Inalienable RIGHT, and a GUARANTEE??? Hmmmm????
The Constitution was written BY and to FAVOR white men who owned property.
It has been the task of the Supreme Court to periodically and quite rightly expand on the scope of that fine, if old and outdated, document.
And how mny times do you CONS have to be told??? Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness are not IN the Constitution???
“Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness are not IN the Constitution???”
Of course you are correct. It remains that you people want the guarantee of happiness. Not gonna happen. Not yours.
I am so inspired and filled with optimism at the hope the future now brings.
Everynight before I go to sleep, I read this. Obama inspires me oh so much!
“I should like to help everyone if possible; Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, black men, white, red, and yellow. We all want to help one another. Human beings are like that. We want to live by each others’ happiness, not by each other’s misery. We don’t want to hate and despise one another. In this world there is room for everyone. And the good earth is rich and can provide for everyone. The way of life can be free and beautiful, but we have lost the way.
Greed has poisoned men’s souls; has barricaded the world with hate; we live in misery and bloodshed. We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in. Industry that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge as made us cynical; our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than wealth we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness.
Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. Modern communications and technology have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in man; cries out for universal brotherhood; for the unity of us all.
Even now my voice is reaching millions throughout the world, millions of despairing men, women, and little children, victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people. To those who can hear me, I say “Do not despair.” The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed, the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress. The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish.
Soldiers! Don’t fight for slavery! Fight for liberty! In the seventeenth chapter of St. Luke, it’s written “the kingdom of God is within man”, not one man nor a group of men, but in all men! In you! You, the people, have the power, the power to create prosperity, the power to create happiness! You, the people, have the power to make this life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure. Then in the name of democracy, let us use that power.
Let us all unite. Let us fight for a new world, a decent world that will give men and women a chance to work, that will give youth a future and old age a security. By the promise of these things, brutes have risen to power. But they lie! They do not fulfill their promise. They never will! Evil rulers free themselves but they enslave the people! Now let us fight to fulfill that promise!
Let us fight to free the world! To do away with national barriers! To do away with greed, with hate and intolerance! Let us fight for a world of reason, a world where science and progress will lead to all men’s happiness.
Citizens of the world, in the name of democracy, let us all unite!
People can you hear me? Wherever you are, look up! The clouds are lifting! The sun is breaking through! We are coming out of the darkness into the light! We are coming into a new world; a kind new world, where men and women will rise above their hate, their greed, and brutality. Look up! The soul of mankind has been given wings and at last he is beginning to fly. He is flying into the rainbow. Into the light of hope! Into the future! The glorious future! That belongs to you, to me, and to all of us. Look up, everyone! Look up!”
JJ I can just feel the Utopia coming on.
Can’t you?
Empathy, compassion, two words. I don’t have any legal or moral obligation to provide either. I do not believe there is a constitutional requirement either.
Libs will try. They will “feel” with their bleeding hearts.
They might actually try, with their congressional and presidential majority, and eventually the SCOTUS too.
But there simply isn’t enough money to provide the two words.
Can’t wait to see us go further broke proving that.
“But there simply isn’t enough money to provide the two words.”
Why of course there is. Those who have the money have been hoarding it up for years.
The only difference between Maggotpunk and a guy with a shaved head, black Doc’s w/white laces, and red suspenders is the object of their hate.
LOL!
The clueless, wimpy, AGW deniers make yet another futile attempt. . .
‘Not the IPCC (“NIPCC”) Report’
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/11/not-the-ipcc-nipcc-report/
“Much in the spirit of the Fraser Institute’s damp squib we reported on last year, S. Fred Singer and his merry band of contrarian luminaries (financed by the notorious “Heartland Institute” we’ve commented on previously) served up a similarly dishonest ‘assessment’ of the science of climate change earlier this year in the form of what they call the NIPCC” report (the “N” presumably standing for ‘not the’ or ‘nonsense’).”
More details, and rebuttals at link.
Heh
From Family Guy….
“Sex makes straight people gay and gay people into Mexicans.”
good night; good luck; god bless —-
whatever you conceive god to be!!
blessings ALL!!
blessings on Obama’s new vision for our America!!
so mote it be!!
I am so inspired and filled with optimism at the hope the future now brings.
Everynight before I go to sleep, I read this. Obama inspires me oh so much!
“I should like to help everyone if possible; Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, black men, white, red, and yellow. We all want to help one another. Human beings are like that. We want to live by each others’ happiness, not by each other’s misery. We don’t want to hate and despise one another. In this world there is room for everyone. And the good earth is rich and can provide for everyone. The way of life can be free and beautiful, but we have lost the way.
Greed has poisoned men’s souls; has barricaded the world with hate; we live in misery and bloodshed. We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in. Industry that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge as made us cynical; our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than wealth we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness.
Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. Modern communications and technology have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in man; cries out for universal brotherhood; for the unity of us all.
Even now my voice is reaching millions throughout the world, millions of despairing men, women, and little children, victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people. To those who can hear me, I say “Do not despair.” The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed, the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress. The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish.
Soldiers! Don’t fight for slavery! Fight for liberty! In the seventeenth chapter of St. Luke, it’s written “the kingdom of God is within man”, not one man nor a group of men, but in all men! In you! You, the people, have the power, the power to create prosperity, the power to create happiness! You, the people, have the power to make this life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure. Then in the name of democracy, let us use that power.
Let us all unite. Let us fight for a new world, a decent world that will give men and women a chance to work, that will give youth a future and old age a security. By the promise of these things, brutes have risen to power. But they lie! They do not fulfill their promise. They never will! Evil rulers free themselves but they enslave the people! Now let us fight to fulfill that promise!
Let us fight to free the world! To do away with national barriers! To do away with greed, with hate and intolerance! Let us fight for a world of reason, a world where science and progress will lead to all men’s happiness.
Citizens of the world, in the name of democracy, let us all unite!
People can you hear me? Wherever you are, look up! The clouds are lifting! The sun is breaking through! We are coming out of the darkness into the light! We are coming into a new world; a kind new world, where men and women will rise above their hate, their greed, and brutality. Look up! The soul of mankind has been given wings and at last he is beginning to fly. He is flying into the rainbow. Into the light of hope! Into the future! The glorious future! That belongs to you, to me, and to all of us. Look up, everyone! Look up!”
I know this is way off topic, but does someone here know of a dependable work from home opportunity?
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